The world as Marco Rubio prefers to see it

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U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio may have had an awkward, amateurish moment in his rebuttal to the State of the Union last night — grace under pressure it was not — but it’s nothing that will do permanent damage to his career. The national spotlight is a difficult place, and you learn how to handle it by living in it. Sarah Palin, for example, never got the benefit of the learning curve that Rubio is now experiencing, and the lack of preparation ended her career.

With that in mind, let’s set aside talk of Rubio’s delivery and take a serious look at the message itself. (Transcript available here.) And let’s start with the fact that in most respects, his speech was a standard, rote recitation of Republican ideology, including a familiar condemnation of President Obama as an enemy of capitalism:

“Presidents in both parties – from John F. Kennedy to Ronald Reagan – have known that our free enterprise economy is the source of our middle class prosperity. But President Obama? He believes it’s the cause of our problems.”

“… the idea that more taxes and more government spending is the best way to help hardworking middle class taxpayers – that’s an old idea that’s failed every time it’s been tried. More government isn’t going to help you get ahead. It’s going to hold you back.”

That is an easily disprovable assertion. Medicare is not a failure; Social Security is not a failure; the GI Bill was not a failure; Head Start is not a failure; unemployment insurance is not a failure. The student loan and Pell Grant programs are not failures. Neither is Medicaid, which among other things insures two-thirds of Americans receiving long-term nursing home care in this country.

These and other programs — almost all of them opposed by Republicans since their inception — have been of immense service to “hardworking middle-class taxpayers” and other Americans. In fact, Rubio and his family have themselves benefited greatly from those programs. As he acknowledged later in his speech, his mother and late father have relied heavily on Medicare to deal with their declining health. Rubio attended a state-financed university, including a community college and the University of Florida, and financed that college education through federal loans and the Pell Grant program.

It is not an exaggeration to say that those taxpayer-funded programs — dismissed by Rubio as failures in helping the middle class — have made his entire life and career possible. College, for example, would have been much more difficult. And without Medicare and Social Security footing the bill, the cost of caring for his aging parents would have had to be paid from his own pocket, significantly shrinking his own economic and career options.

However, when Rubio recounts his personal history, such inconvenient facts seem to melt away. As he said in his speech last night:

“My parents immigrated here in pursuit of the opportunity to improve their life and give their children the chance at an even better one. They made it to the middle class, my dad working as a bartender and my mother as a cashier and a maid. I didn’t inherit any money from them. But I inherited something far better – the real opportunity to accomplish my dreams. This opportunity – to make it to the middle class or beyond no matter where you start out in life – it isn’t bestowed on us from Washington.”

It is a theme that he returned to in his closing, in which he talked of the dreams that parents of today have for their newborn children, just as his parents had for him:

“For many of these parents, life has not gone the way they had planned. Maybe they were born into circumstances they’ve found difficult to escape. Maybe they’ve made some mistakes along the way. Maybe they’re young mothers, all alone, the father of their child long gone.

But tonight, when they look into the eyes of their child for the first time, their lives will change forever. Because in those eyes, they will see what my parents saw in me, and what your parents saw in you. They will see all the hopes and dreams they once had for themselves. This dream – of a better life for their children – it’s the hope of parents everywhere. Politicians here and throughout the world have long promised that more government can make those dreams come true.

But we Americans have always known better. From our earliest days, we embraced economic liberty instead. And because we did, America remains one of the few places on earth where dreams like these even have a chance.”

It is moving stuff, but again, it is romanticized to the point of caricature. These parents “born into circumstances they’ve found difficult to escape” would no doubt welcome high-quality pre-K programs of the sort advocated Tuesday night by Obama, because without it their children would have a much tougher time excelling in school. The earned-income tax credit for working families having a hard time making ends meet would be invaluable to them. Parents working as bartenders and cashiers are highly unlikely to have employer-provided health insurance, so Medicaid would be essential if their children should become ill.

There’s one more very important factor to consider. Rubio’s parents came to this country in 1956, and over the next quarter century, as they tried to establish an economic foothold here, they did so in an era when economic prosperity was more broadly shared than it is today.

Here’s what income inequality looked like in America from 1956 to 1981:

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Here’s what it has done since:

gini2

Here’s what employees’ share of the gross domestic product did from 1956 to 1981:

gdp1

Here’s what it has done since:

GDP2

Those and other profound, structural changes in the American economy have made it much more difficult for modern versions of Mario and Oria Rubio to look into their children’s eyes and dream of a better life for them. Yet, as their son explained to the American people Tuesday night, the Republican Party believes that government should take no account of those changed conditions. “More government isn’t going to help you get ahead,” as he told us. “It’s going to hold you back.”

In fact, we are told, the answer must be to shrink those government programs that — Rubio’s denials aside — have helped himself and countless millions more Americans achieve the dreams of their fathers and mothers. The American people are going to have a hard time swallowing that.

– Jay Bookman

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Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 13th, 2013
12:03 pm

Well, I’ll be dang if I know what laws Rubio was saying we should pass, but it sure sounded good. Wish I could talk good like that. The boss down at the warehouse would have me rolling in cash.

Have a good lunch—or dinner as we call it up here—everybody.

Doggone/GA

February 13th, 2013
12:04 pm

“The American people are going to have a hard time swallowing that”

and I hope to God you are correct on that

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 13th, 2013
12:04 pm

Oh, and first!

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
12:04 pm

instead of focusing on Rubio’s delivery

oh Jay, you are a BAD JOURNAMALIST.

(ok, I’ll read the post, now…)

Marty Huggins'

February 13th, 2013
12:08 pm

Did we have more or less government programs from 1956-1981 or do we have more now?

Is more money spent on entitlements now or from 1956-1981 considering inflation?

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
12:08 pm

That is an easily disprovable assertion.

Yes, but our so-called liberal media does diddly-squat to truth-check it when these horrible men make that assertion. So they’ll go right on asserting and asserting the Zombie Lie.

Doggone/GA

February 13th, 2013
12:08 pm

“Is more money spent on entitlements now or from 1956-1981 considering inflation?”

Inflation isn’t the only thing you need to include. There is also the size of the population and the percentage that uses those programs.

Loretta Paraguassu

February 13th, 2013
12:09 pm

Jay Bookman, The Marco Rubios of this world count on the people who will not read you editorial, will not get the information before it has been twisted and will believe just because they heard it on Fox News. We can only hope that Barack Obama reaches enough people and that U.S. citizens are not as brain dead as the GOP assumes.

barking frog

February 13th, 2013
12:09 pm

All I could hear was ‘I’ve got mine’ and you have got
BOOTSTRAPS !!.

willie lynch

February 13th, 2013
12:09 pm

How does reducing the size of government help put people to work?

Oscar

February 13th, 2013
12:10 pm

Rubio’s response is what you get from someone who wrote his resonse before he heard the speech. Just did not respond to what the President said. Ignored completely the goals and ways to get there proposed by the president.

Why do cons continue to deny the infrastructure, education and research are an important part of what the government does?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 13th, 2013
12:11 pm

I hope none of you saw me taking a sip of water while I was typing or wiping the sweat off of my forehead (I use two fingers myself tho Rubio uses the whole hand.) Thank God there’s no TV cameras on posters, even if Bookman does know what we’re going to post before we type it and sees us typing. That’s one reason why I won’t post if I’m buck-nekkid.

Marty Huggins'

February 13th, 2013
12:12 pm

Doggone/GA
February 13th, 2013
12:08 pm

Ok.

Is more or less of a percentage using these programs now or from 1956-1981?

Is there more spending per person on entitlements now than from 1956-1981?

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
12:13 pm

will not get the information before it has been twisted and will believe just because they heard it on Fox News.

that’s where you’re wrong. Virtually all of corporate media suffers this foolishness. Corporate media is why we still talk about a “debt crisis” in this country and why Very Serious People continue to gibber on about the importance of Reducing The Deficit Faster Faster Now Now.

Corporate media are Marco Rubio’s fluffers. That Rupert Murdoch happens to offer a Stupid Concentrate brand for the very dim is not really the problem, here.

Oscar

February 13th, 2013
12:13 pm

Willie – reducing waste in goverment reduces the amount we will have to borrow, and reduces the interest we will have to pay onthe loans.

We have to cut costd of govt. down to what we can afford or else face hypweflation down the road.

jewcowboy

February 13th, 2013
12:13 pm

“The American people are going to have a hard time swallowing that”

Not the Republican rubes who continually vote against their best interest.

jhunt163

February 13th, 2013
12:14 pm

That is an easily disprovable assertion. Medicare is not a failure; Social Security is not a failure; the GI Bill was not a failure; Head Start is not a failure; unemployment insurance is not a failure. The student loan and Pell Grant programs are not failures. Neither is Medicaid, which among other things insures two-thirds of Americans receiving long-term nursing home care in this country

I would say $122 trillion in unfunded liabilities say otherwise.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 13th, 2013
12:14 pm

It’s not about more taxes and more government spending. Its about creating programs that work. We’ve shown time and time again that these programs work. The problem is that the buffoons continue to demand that the government spend money on foolishness like tanks we don’t need, wars that should not be fought or lining the pockets of those at the top.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
12:14 pm

As long as Rubio’s down with cutting government, let’s ask him to cut that Wet Foot – Dry Foot immigration policy that allows Cubans to stay if they can set foot on US soil.

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
12:15 pm

Thank God there’s no TV cameras on posters, even if Bookman does know what we’re going to post before we type it

heh, heh, heh.

Jay

February 13th, 2013
12:15 pm

” That’s one reason why I won’t post if I’m buck-nekkid.”

And I appreciate that more than you will ever know.

Doggone/GA

February 13th, 2013
12:15 pm

“I would say $122 trillion in unfunded liabilities say otherwise.”

Hate to break it to you, but money is not the only measure of success

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
12:16 pm

Yay! the Unfunded Liabilities card played in a mere 14 minutes!

Did you know that we have approximately 787 Quadrillion in unfunded liabilities if you project out to the year 2222? It’s true!

Oscar

February 13th, 2013
12:19 pm

Neck – you can post naked — just don’t post but nekked. (for definitions se some of old columns by Louis Grizzard)

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
12:20 pm

In fact, Rubio and his family have themselves benefited greatly from those programs.

they benefitted GREATLY. Rubio’s family is Cuban American. they benefitted from instant one size fits every cuban citizenship; they benefitted from government programs set up for the cubans alone; and THEN they benefitted from living in south florida in general.

The mean old government of S.Florida changed street signs in predominantly Cuban areas to Spanish so that it would make it easier for cubans to get around.

the mean old government of S. Florida made sure that every government function/job was made bilingual to make it easier for cubans to understand what was going on.

AND the mean old government of S. Florida even put SPANISH ballots together so that the brand new american citizens of cuban descent could vote!

Rubio forgot to mention any of these facts. I wonder why……………….

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
12:21 pm

jhunt — “I would say $122 trillion in unfunded liabilities say otherwise.”

So if a corporation *intentionally* fails to fund its employee pension or retirement fund (e.g. under the guise of ‘oh, we’ll make good on that in a year or two;), those unfunded liabilities are evidence that the *pension/retirement plans themselves* are a bad idea? Is that what you’re saying?

I may not be following you, but it sounds like you’re predicating the worth, value and importance of such plans and programs on the choices of their management — and that if management decides to stop or delay contributing, that’s the *program’s* fault, not management’s.

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 13th, 2013
12:21 pm

Bookman claims THIS—————
and then shows graphs to prove that these program have INDEED…………been failures.———–

“That is an easily disprovable assertion. Medicare is not a failure; Social Security is not a failure; the GI Bill was not a failure; Head Start is not a failure; unemployment insurance is not a failure. The student loan and Pell Grant programs are not failures. Neither is Medicaid, which among other things insures two-thirds of Americans receiving long-term nursing home care in this country.

These and other programs — almost all of them opposed by Republicans since their inception — have been of immense service to “hardworking middle-class taxpayers” and other Americans.
.
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As per the graphes…Rubio AND Obama …….and our Falling Standard of Living ………the Failure is……………..Self Evident.

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
12:21 pm

Fantastic graphs Jay. Unfortunately they mean nothing… You should face reality that obama’s policies have failed. Record unemployment for a first term Presidency, Record spending. Record food stamp recipients, Record number of people no longer in the workforce. Record number of people on disability, Record gas prices. Record health costs… I could go on and on and there’s nothing you could say to refute this….

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
12:22 pm

I guess Jay’s next post will be about Rand Paul….. Oh the usefulness…

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
12:24 pm

I. Finger — “You should face reality that obama’s policies have failed.”

Speaking of facing reality, your guy lost. There’s nothing you can say to refute that.

barking frog

February 13th, 2013
12:25 pm

Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, Ted Nugent. Real GOP housewives.

getalife

February 13th, 2013
12:29 pm

Our President’s agenda is liberal and the gop are divided and conquered.

Best speech so far.

He is annihilating the gop.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 13th, 2013
12:29 pm

Well, I got to admit I missed the ending of Rubio’s speech. Was it “Get off of my damned lawn!”

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
12:30 pm

Yes, but our so-called liberal media does diddly-squat to truth-check it when these horrible men make that assertion. So they’ll go right on asserting and asserting the Zombie Lie.

Real journalism went out of “vogue” with Nelly Bly.

these days the only freedom that the press wants to keep is the freedom to make profit.

CNN is a good example of whats happening with the press now. They’ve cut the budget on the reporters who do “investigative reports” — too costly. They’ll just get their news from other news sources – without even checking the validity of what the other news sources are saying.

that’s why we’re still talking about the 4/5 people who died in Benghazi and no one is talking about the 200+ Congressmen/women who voted to cut the budget for the State department that would’ve made those 4/5 people safer and could’ve probably saved their lives.

Can’t afford to fact check anymore…………..just repeat.

Fat Boy

February 13th, 2013
12:30 pm

If these Republicans were in Congress 44 years ago, we would be looking at the moon and wondering if we would ever be able to put footprints in it’s soil…

Logical Dude

February 13th, 2013
12:30 pm

So, Why didn’t Rubio run for President again?

I mean, if he’s the go-to guy to respond to the State of the Union address. . . where was he a year ago?

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
12:32 pm

Nelly Bly.

Wonder how many got that ref without googling?

jhunt163

February 13th, 2013
12:32 pm

and that if management decides to stop or delay contributing, that’s the *program’s* fault, not management’s.

The plan is a static entity and obviously cannot be blamed unless it was funded under misguided assumptions like what the CBO has been doing for years. Just look at early assumptions for Medicaid and Medicare and the CBO was way off in it’s analysis. If a company decides not to fund a pension plan due to financial constraints in the company, I have freedom to change jobs and have done so numerous times. I have no option to opt out of Social Security and Medicare and yet remain a US Citizen.

Cosby

February 13th, 2013
12:33 pm

You are right Jay..The King spoke and all should listen…the Government should provide, housing, food, Cars, Health Care, Retirement to the masses…there is only one problem…how in the hell will the Government pay for it..The King announced another 29 New Programs to add to the burden of The Government coffers…The Government is providing food for more people that live in Spain..so tell me most wonderful Jay, where is the king going to get the money?? but wait, after 64 years of busting my rear end to get somewhere close to comfortable, he is going to tell me that I need to downsize, drive a small orange juice can, live in a smaller home, only cool it to 80 degrees in summer and warm it to 60 degrees in winter. I will be told when to go to the doctor and what services I may receive, I will be told what I can spend on food and what foods I will be allowed to eat. Yep Jay, The King has spoken…but I still do not know how the hell he will pay for it…Well Social Security – funded by confiscation of everyones 401k and then redistributed ..now I get it The King has spoken!!!

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
12:33 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

I. Finger — “You should face reality that obama’s policies have failed.”

Speaking of facing reality, your guy lost. There’s nothing you can say to refute that.

Does that mean obama’s policies have worked. I don’t think so….

getalife

February 13th, 2013
12:34 pm

It is very obvious cosby failed to listen to our President.

Just ignorant.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
12:35 pm

Fantastic graphs Jay. Unfortunately hey mean nothing… I can’t read graphs, (failed basic math); so I’ll sneer and change the subject instead. It may be petty and stooopid; but hey – it makes me feel like a real man when i do petty and stooopid things like that.

Fixed it for ya! Don’t thank me. I do this out of love for my fellow man.

Jay

February 13th, 2013
12:35 pm

The drama queens are emoting copiously.

Marty Huggins'

February 13th, 2013
12:36 pm

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33074.pdf

Seems that during the selected time frame that spending for entitlements has ballooned since the given 1956-1981.

Almost seems like the income inequality rose around the same time and nearly same rate as entitlement spending rose.

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
12:36 pm

DDR, by the way, looks like the ruins of that establishment are still there for all to see. (it’s… creepy, even from the Circle Line deck.)

larry

February 13th, 2013
12:37 pm

Speaking of Ted Nugent, did he show up last night ?

barking frog

February 13th, 2013
12:37 pm

Jhunt163
I have no option to opt out of Social Security and Medicare and yet remain a US Citizen.
…………………………………………………………………..
You might be interested in irs form 4029…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 13th, 2013
12:38 pm

Record gas prices. … I could go on and on and there’s nothing you could say to refute this….

Jay, I have to admit Itchy finally got one of his troll posts correct. In the minds of these churlish trolls, no fact, no evidence, no logic, no reality will refudiate the buffoonish false claims and desperation of the extreme wingnuts who see conspiracies everywhere and find fault in anything Obama does.

Kitty

February 13th, 2013
12:38 pm

Itchy, those records didn’t occur the day after Obama’s 2009 inauguration. They have been occurring for years even under a GOP controlled Congress and Administration. You don’t recover from those sort of things overnight. I only hope in 2016 we don’t have a GOP president and things go belly up again as they will if he or she goes with austerity programs. That went so well in the UK…NOT!

Denial…for the GOP not just a river in Egypt.

Stevie Ray

February 13th, 2013
12:39 pm

JAY

That is an easily disprovable assertion. Medicare is not a failure; Social Security is not a failure; the GI Bill was not a failure; Head Start is not a failure; unemployment insurance is not a failure. The student loan and Pell Grant programs are not failures. Neither is Medicaid, which among other things insures two-thirds of Americans receiving long-term nursing home care in this country.

Does the concept of sustainability have any meaning to you? They may not be failures by traditional measures, but our elected dopes are fiscally doing everything in their collective powers to allow these progams to swirl down the toilet of government dysfunction.

Kitty

February 13th, 2013
12:39 pm

Frankly I wonder how many of the GOP here in Georgia actually know where Egypt really is!?

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
12:40 pm

Wonder how many got that ref without googling?

Stands, the majority of the posters on this blog are very intelligent and very well read.

DISCLAIMER: I won’t point out names, you dumb ones………….well…………you already know who you are.

Stevie Ray

February 13th, 2013
12:41 pm

larry

February 13th, 2013
12:37 pm

I heard he did in jeans and cowboy lid. I’m wondering if those on the left are correct and his past comments actually can be considered a threat to the life of a sitting president, would he not be enjoying the fruits of incarceration? Talk about contextual piracy..

willie lynch

February 13th, 2013
12:42 pm

Oscar

February 13th, 2013
12:13

Interesting. I guess I just don’t get the what we can afford part. The things called entitlements were not the things that got us into the financial crisis but they are taking the lead as the things we need to reduce. I think this focus is misplaced. Health care should have been single payer which would have fixed Medicaid and Medicare, SS should never have been raided to fund other projects and the banks should be forced to give us back the money (in the form of loans) that they were given and told to lend.

Without the government spending money to get the country back on it’s feet we are never going to get the unemployed back to work since the private sector is only interested in whining about the regulations that are placed on them to make sure they are acting properly or whether they will have to pay the cost of doing business (taxes) in this environment.

In a nutshell without the jobs bill which will increase federal spending (and have the added affect of putting Americans to work) we will continue to plod along economically because there isn’t enough money being circulated to fund SS, and consume goods, etc. etc.

So there’s an argument for big government in the short term since the $1 million bonus crowd in the private sector doesn’t seem to want to step up to the plate.

TaxPayer

February 13th, 2013
12:42 pm

I don’t know why you bother, Jay. It’s not as though Republicans do math.

Further, you established that they simply deny the existence of the very lives that they lived and substitute a lie in it’s place–i.e., Rubio’s “Tale of The Two Parallel Universes” that he lived in.

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
12:43 pm

I know the libs new hero Chris Dorners done has them spewing today….

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 13th, 2013
12:44 pm

DISCLAIMER: I won’t point out names, you dumb ones………….well…………you already know who you are.

Well there could be those who are too dumb to know they are on the dumb list……. hey, wait a minute!

Mr Right

February 13th, 2013
12:45 pm

U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio may have had an awkward, amateurish moment in his rebuttal to the State of the Union last night — grace under pressure it was not — but it’s nothing that will do permanent damage to his career

Had to grin when I read that, that’s Jay at his best, didn’t bother to read the rest since you can pretty well predict what the rest of it said! Go Jay go, there are people on here will take that drivel and run with it.
Ho-Hum, any more GOP bashing today, if not I predict it will come tomorrow! Ha!

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
12:45 pm

Kitty:

the real denial is that all that I stated massively increased under this failed President. There’s simply no denying it…..

TaxPayer

February 13th, 2013
12:45 pm

It’s a good thing itchy is doing fine because I’d sure hate to see how much he would be whining if he weren’t.

Jefferson

February 13th, 2013
12:46 pm

Put a funnel in that cats hands at a kegger and you got a show on your hands.

Stevie Ray

February 13th, 2013
12:46 pm

Jay

February 13th, 2013
12:35 pm

Drama? You could take that entire speech last evening and produce a pulitzer prize winning novel which undoubtedly result in academy award winning film and a second Nobel prize…the whole thing..You could pepper it at time with Rubio’s somewhat less dramatic response.

moonbat betty

February 13th, 2013
12:47 pm

I must admit, the way Rubio paused to take a sip of water did look funny.

For Obama’s next speech, they should have him pause in the middle and fire up a cig.

jhunt163

February 13th, 2013
12:47 pm

You might be interested in irs form 4029

Wow thanks BF. I didn’t know that existed.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 13th, 2013
12:48 pm

Drama Queens Jay? A master of understatement, you are…

Living With Open Eyes

February 13th, 2013
12:48 pm

Why does the President and everybody in government believe that high tech education will solve all our economic woes? Just how many people can punch buttons on computers and get paid for it? The shift of our industries to high tech is the problem. We must bring plain old manual manufacturing jobs back to the USA or we will only see unemployment rise as our population increases.

Chris

February 13th, 2013
12:49 pm

Form 4029 only applies to certain groups: Amish, Native Americans, etc… All can apply, but few are accepted.

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
12:49 pm

It’s not as though Republicans do math.

oh, they do. It’s just that many of them seem to think that their math should focus on shoehorning the economy of the richest, most powerful nation ever on earth into the moccasins of some mythical mom-and-pop shop.

Forgetting that this shop can print its own currency, has people falling over themselves to lend them resources for nothing, and can vaporize their competitors with a phone call. Among other super powers, of course.

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
12:49 pm

Doggone/GA

February 13th, 2013
12:49 pm

“Why does the President and everybody in government believe that high tech education will solve all our economic woes?”

I suspect the cloth weavers of the 19th century said pretty much the same thing about the automated looms

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
12:50 pm

jhunt — “The plan is a static entity and obviously cannot be blamed”

SNIP. The rest of your assertion is without merit. And thank you for your assent on this point.

“If a company decides not to fund a pension plan due to financial constraints in the company, I have freedom to change jobs and have done so numerous times.”

In other words, you give the plan administrators a pass. Thought so.

If you’re a retiree and you find out after the fact that your employer failed to abide by funding agreements as regards the pension plan, you have little recourse against the employer or the corporate principals who made the decisions to withhold agreed-upon funding. IMO, that’s not only a breach of contract, it should also be treated as a legal failure to abide by a consent agreement with the attendant legal penalties incumbent upon those who committed them, with a strict liability standard. IOW, if the plaintiffs can show that one or more individuals failed to fund the plan as agreed, then those individuals automatically incur legal penalties with no possibility of appeal.

“I have no option to opt out of Social Security and Medicare and yet remain a US Citizen.”

:roll:

If you don’t like SS, then simply don’t file to claim it. If, however, your gripe is that you can’t direct that small fraction of your earnings toward the retirement plan of your choice, go open an IRA and pipe down.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
12:50 pm

I. Finger — “Does that mean obama’s policies have worked.”

No, it means your guy lost, so stop whining and deal with it.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
12:51 pm

stands: DDR, by the way, looks like the ruins of that establishment are still there for all to see.

I didn’t know that! See stands……..there are plenty of smart folks here on the blog, and plenty of people who are glad that they can learn something from them! Thanks for that!

============

Blind Stevie: Does the concept of sustainability have any meaning to you? They may not be failures by traditional measures, but our elected dopes are fiscally doing everything in their collective powers to allow these progams to swirl down the toilet of government dysfunction.

Stevie — you do know that you’ve PROVED Jay’s assertion don’t you? By saying this: but our elected dopes are fiscally doing everything in their collective powers to allow these progams to swirl down the toilet of government dysfunction; you’ve just proven that its not the PROGRAMS that are failures, but the people in CHARGE of them.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 13th, 2013
12:51 pm

I streamed all three speech’s this morning. As I stated earlier, there were two things I took from rand Paul’s rebuttal, one good and one bad, but I got nothing from Rubio, but “the usual suspects”. I agree with the assessment that he is not yet ready for the big time, but he does have time to learn. One thing he is going to have to learn is how to lie better without gagging and grabbing a glass of water…heh, heh…

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 13th, 2013
12:52 pm

Well, I want to live in that “working class neighborhood” Marco Rubio says he lives in. He’s selling his house for a cool $675,000 and planning on moving to D.C. I always knowed I was underpaid.

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2013/02/marco_rubio_who_bragged_about.php

Jefferson

February 13th, 2013
12:54 pm

I laugh loud and long in the general direction of the itch, so full it is funnny — the squirming and crying is music, I tell you music….

Anton Chigurh

February 13th, 2013
12:54 pm

I don’t read you as judiciously as I should I guess. You do agree trillion dollar deficits are unsustainable though, right? And, I don’t discount new revenues or defense cuts. But in a nutshell, what’s the solution to longterm fiscal heath, if you don’t mind repeating something I’ve missed, or not absorbed. Thank you.

the dog

February 13th, 2013
12:54 pm

Itchy-I take severe exception to your use of the word “fruit” unless referring to an apple, orange, etc.

As you know, that word has long been the bigotted name for homosexuals. Can you choose another word to express your disdain? Broaden your vocabulary?

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
12:54 pm

alex

February 13th, 2013
12:55 pm

“hard working middle class taxpayer”-” unemployment insurance”..Jay, did you actually listen/read what he said otr did you already have your mind made up to disagree, of course the later, since yourso fond of graphs, please explain,”the Gini index”..give it a break you are not convincing people who try to be objective and your syncophants do not need any more convincing, their minds (?) are already made up. Share of GDP going to workers paycheck, any idea of absolutes if Gdp goes up 10 fold and income goes up 5 fold , is this bad?, relative reductions are NOTORIUS for not telling the “story” accurately. As for families, my parents immigrated here in the early 1950′, the only country that would take them, ask them if they think the explosion of govt. has helped this country, go ahead…My parents voted for obama, They came from a fascists country, you think they’re impressed by Govt . programs..

Marty Huggins'

February 13th, 2013
12:55 pm

Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it)
February 13th, 2013
12:52 pm

Welp,

I assume one would have to be doing some type of work to afford that type of home.

Oh wait a minute he’s a politician completely disregard what I said.

Liberal Nightmare

February 13th, 2013
12:55 pm

I wonder of you Cookman leaches ever get off your arse and look around at reality? Your party and ideology exists because of an ever growing entitlist society and an ethic group whose fear causes them vote 90% to one party. Without the fear and the crowd who wants som-din for nuddin – you got nuddin but a bunch of nutters. (statement dumbed down for Cookman followers)

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
12:56 pm

Sure looks like most people didn’t agree with hardly any of obama’s tripe…. 12.9 million people..

http://www.bing.com/politics/stateoftheunion

the dog

February 13th, 2013
12:57 pm

The fishy part: A month after Rubio purchased the home, U.S. Century Bank reappraised the house at $735,000 and then offered him a new $135,000 home equity loan that the speaker gladly accepted. U.S. Century’s board of directors included Sergio Pino — a megadeveloper who allied with Rubio on a key vote against slot machines — as well as GOP lobbyist Rodney Barreto and consultant Jose Cancela. Essentially, a bank controlled by supporters printed Rubio $135K out of thin air.

“It’s very unusual to get a new equity line so quickly,” says Michael Cannon, managing director of Integra Realty Resources in Miami. “The average person would never get a deal like that. He got it, clearly, because of his connections.”

Even worse, Rubio never disclosed the line of credit. Confronted about the error, he laughed and told a Herald reporter he couldn’t understand why it was a story.

liberal hack

February 13th, 2013
12:57 pm

Jay, dispute this fact, we are still spending 1 Trillion more than we take in, how are you going to resolve that? Tax the rich more. Do you honestly believe you aren’t going to change the behavior of the rich if 50-60% of their income goes to the federal gov’t? And raising all taxes, which you’ve advocated, will those not hurt the middle class and the lower classes as well because your graphs have conviently shown us that our income isn’t growing either. Do you advocate another 5% from the lower classes going to the gov’t too.

Gov’t isn’t going to solve all the problems of the world, especially income inequality. In fact, it will make that problem worse!

RB from Gwinnett

February 13th, 2013
12:58 pm

Saw the highlights of Obama’s “please inflate my approval ratings” giveaway plan last night. As I said yesterday, just another campaign speech for the man. Disagree? Tell me how anything in it was different from his speeches of 6 months ago. More talk about more goverment and more spending we have no money for. It’s like the man thinks we have an endless supply of rich people we can vilify for more taxes or something. Bizzare.

Living With Open Eyes

February 13th, 2013
12:58 pm

Doggone?Ga – You know I’m not so stupid as to propose getting rid of machines and deleting the industrial revolution. I am proposing that we enact high tariffs on imports such as cars, televisions, computers, toys, household furniture and goods,etc. and resume making these products in USA.The high tech and service economy we have now is a proven failure. It is idiotic to continue on the path we are on.

Butch Cassidy (I)

February 13th, 2013
12:59 pm

Cosby – “The Government is providing food for more people that live in Spain..”

If you’re going to repeat what Brian Kilmeade said this morning on Fox and Friends, you should at least give him credit for the cite.

Mr Right

February 13th, 2013
12:59 pm

Listening to Obamas SOTU speech was a lot like going to the restroom and pushing the button on the hand dryer—- Nothing we didn’t hear before, just a bunch of hot air!

jhunt163

February 13th, 2013
1:00 pm

If you don’t like SS, then simply don’t file to claim it. If, however, your gripe is that you can’t direct that small fraction of your earnings toward the retirement plan of your choice, go open an IRA and pipe down.

That is the most ignorant statement you have made yet. Of course I am going to claim it since I have been forced, and yes I mean forced to participate in it. Oh, and yes, I do have multiple IRA’s. I have no grandiose delusions on the survival or value of our entitlement programs.

Stevie Ray

February 13th, 2013
1:00 pm

DebbieDoRight – A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
12:51 pm

Yes that was basically the point and additionally that doesn’t mean they will remain such if those dolts in DC continue not the face facts…It would also be nice to find 10% waste in each that undoubtedly exists…an idea is to offer employees the means to identify waste for consideration.

Dumb and Dumber

February 13th, 2013
1:00 pm

The fundamental problem we have in this country is that more and more of your work value (what you are paid) is a function of your brain/intelligence/intellectual power, not your brawn. And we may be getting bigger and stronger as a people, but I sure don’t see a whole lot of examples of us getting much smarter. And plenty of examples of people getting dumber. Without a huge percentage of the population learning the simple fact they are going to have to get a lot more educated to compete for jobs in this world, they are marginalized to poverty pretty easily these days, unfortunately.

Bruce Dickenson

February 13th, 2013
1:02 pm

what we need is more gov’t!

I put my pants on one leg at a time, then I go waste taxpayer money buying votes for my reelection

Doggone/GA

February 13th, 2013
1:02 pm

“I am proposing that we enact high tariffs on imports such as cars, televisions, computers, toys, household furniture and goods,etc. and resume making these products in USA.”

Have you always lived in a dream world, or is it a recent event? I hope you’re not holding your breath waiting for that. Protectionism might work for a short time, but it’s not a long term solution and it’s not going to happen.

If we want those businesses back, we’ve got to COMPETE for them. We can’t compete on wages, but we CAN and SHOULD compete on quality

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
1:03 pm

since yourso fond of graphs, please explain,”the Gini index”.

See the blue letters below? Take your mouse and “click” (as the kids say) on them.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Gini+index

getalife

February 13th, 2013
1:03 pm

Since the cons refuse to listen to our President, I refuse to listen to the gop.

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
1:03 pm

the dog

Itchy-I take severe exception to your use of the word “fruit” unless referring to an apple, orange, etc.

As you know, that word has long been the bigotted name for homosexuals. Can you choose another word to express your disdain? Broaden your vocabulary?

I’m sorry if I offended you. How about I just call you dog?

Bruce Dickenson

February 13th, 2013
1:03 pm

I’ve got a fever, and the only perscription is more gov’t!

комиссар (Occupation)

February 13th, 2013
1:04 pm

“Yet, as their son explained to the American people Tuesday night, the Republican Party believes that government should take no account of those changed conditions”

Because Rubio, like the party he aspires to lead, is the mouthpiece for US capital, which is hell bent and determined to roll back every last scrap of the 20th C edifice of social programs and the social contract that underlay it. He’s lying. Flat out lying.

And the striking thing about that pathetic excuse for a “response” last night by Rubio was how of a piece it was with the presidential campaign last year of Mitt Romney. It’s as thought the GOP’s leaders barely even can muster any minimal belief in the substance of the message their hawking, so there’s almost a weird kind of half-embarrassed going through the motions about it. No wonder he had to lunge for the water bottle. Lying through your teeth on national television must be demoralizing, hard work.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
1:04 pm

I don’t know why you bother, Jay. It’s not as though Republicans do math.

Hey republicans do math!! Their math is just not based on things like facts and fiction.

Their math is magic based and makes them feel all warm and fuzzy when they use it.

Their math is called matherbation — and when you’re a republican and are matherbating over facts, it just makes you feel better.

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We must bring plain old manual manufacturing jobs back to the USA or we will only see unemployment rise as our population increases

Man, I hope what you said above was just one of those “tongue in cheek” comments to get people thinking….you know…..a joke not to be taken seriously. Cause if you were serous……DAMN!