The world as Marco Rubio prefers to see it

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U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio may have had an awkward, amateurish moment in his rebuttal to the State of the Union last night — grace under pressure it was not — but it’s nothing that will do permanent damage to his career. The national spotlight is a difficult place, and you learn how to handle it by living in it. Sarah Palin, for example, never got the benefit of the learning curve that Rubio is now experiencing, and the lack of preparation ended her career.

With that in mind, let’s set aside talk of Rubio’s delivery and take a serious look at the message itself. (Transcript available here.) And let’s start with the fact that in most respects, his speech was a standard, rote recitation of Republican ideology, including a familiar condemnation of President Obama as an enemy of capitalism:

“Presidents in both parties – from John F. Kennedy to Ronald Reagan – have known that our free enterprise economy is the source of our middle class prosperity. But President Obama? He believes it’s the cause of our problems.”

“… the idea that more taxes and more government spending is the best way to help hardworking middle class taxpayers – that’s an old idea that’s failed every time it’s been tried. More government isn’t going to help you get ahead. It’s going to hold you back.”

That is an easily disprovable assertion. Medicare is not a failure; Social Security is not a failure; the GI Bill was not a failure; Head Start is not a failure; unemployment insurance is not a failure. The student loan and Pell Grant programs are not failures. Neither is Medicaid, which among other things insures two-thirds of Americans receiving long-term nursing home care in this country.

These and other programs — almost all of them opposed by Republicans since their inception — have been of immense service to “hardworking middle-class taxpayers” and other Americans. In fact, Rubio and his family have themselves benefited greatly from those programs. As he acknowledged later in his speech, his mother and late father have relied heavily on Medicare to deal with their declining health. Rubio attended a state-financed university, including a community college and the University of Florida, and financed that college education through federal loans and the Pell Grant program.

It is not an exaggeration to say that those taxpayer-funded programs — dismissed by Rubio as failures in helping the middle class — have made his entire life and career possible. College, for example, would have been much more difficult. And without Medicare and Social Security footing the bill, the cost of caring for his aging parents would have had to be paid from his own pocket, significantly shrinking his own economic and career options.

However, when Rubio recounts his personal history, such inconvenient facts seem to melt away. As he said in his speech last night:

“My parents immigrated here in pursuit of the opportunity to improve their life and give their children the chance at an even better one. They made it to the middle class, my dad working as a bartender and my mother as a cashier and a maid. I didn’t inherit any money from them. But I inherited something far better – the real opportunity to accomplish my dreams. This opportunity – to make it to the middle class or beyond no matter where you start out in life – it isn’t bestowed on us from Washington.”

It is a theme that he returned to in his closing, in which he talked of the dreams that parents of today have for their newborn children, just as his parents had for him:

“For many of these parents, life has not gone the way they had planned. Maybe they were born into circumstances they’ve found difficult to escape. Maybe they’ve made some mistakes along the way. Maybe they’re young mothers, all alone, the father of their child long gone.

But tonight, when they look into the eyes of their child for the first time, their lives will change forever. Because in those eyes, they will see what my parents saw in me, and what your parents saw in you. They will see all the hopes and dreams they once had for themselves. This dream – of a better life for their children – it’s the hope of parents everywhere. Politicians here and throughout the world have long promised that more government can make those dreams come true.

But we Americans have always known better. From our earliest days, we embraced economic liberty instead. And because we did, America remains one of the few places on earth where dreams like these even have a chance.”

It is moving stuff, but again, it is romanticized to the point of caricature. These parents “born into circumstances they’ve found difficult to escape” would no doubt welcome high-quality pre-K programs of the sort advocated Tuesday night by Obama, because without it their children would have a much tougher time excelling in school. The earned-income tax credit for working families having a hard time making ends meet would be invaluable to them. Parents working as bartenders and cashiers are highly unlikely to have employer-provided health insurance, so Medicaid would be essential if their children should become ill.

There’s one more very important factor to consider. Rubio’s parents came to this country in 1956, and over the next quarter century, as they tried to establish an economic foothold here, they did so in an era when economic prosperity was more broadly shared than it is today.

Here’s what income inequality looked like in America from 1956 to 1981:

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Here’s what it has done since:

gini2

Here’s what employees’ share of the gross domestic product did from 1956 to 1981:

gdp1

Here’s what it has done since:

GDP2

Those and other profound, structural changes in the American economy have made it much more difficult for modern versions of Mario and Oria Rubio to look into their children’s eyes and dream of a better life for them. Yet, as their son explained to the American people Tuesday night, the Republican Party believes that government should take no account of those changed conditions. “More government isn’t going to help you get ahead,” as he told us. “It’s going to hold you back.”

In fact, we are told, the answer must be to shrink those government programs that — Rubio’s denials aside — have helped himself and countless millions more Americans achieve the dreams of their fathers and mothers. The American people are going to have a hard time swallowing that.

– Jay Bookman

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Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 13th, 2013
12:03 pm

Well, I’ll be dang if I know what laws Rubio was saying we should pass, but it sure sounded good. Wish I could talk good like that. The boss down at the warehouse would have me rolling in cash.

Have a good lunch—or dinner as we call it up here—everybody.

Doggone/GA

February 13th, 2013
12:04 pm

“The American people are going to have a hard time swallowing that”

and I hope to God you are correct on that

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 13th, 2013
12:04 pm

Oh, and first!

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
12:04 pm

instead of focusing on Rubio’s delivery

oh Jay, you are a BAD JOURNAMALIST.

(ok, I’ll read the post, now…)

Marty Huggins'

February 13th, 2013
12:08 pm

Did we have more or less government programs from 1956-1981 or do we have more now?

Is more money spent on entitlements now or from 1956-1981 considering inflation?

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
12:08 pm

That is an easily disprovable assertion.

Yes, but our so-called liberal media does diddly-squat to truth-check it when these horrible men make that assertion. So they’ll go right on asserting and asserting the Zombie Lie.

Doggone/GA

February 13th, 2013
12:08 pm

“Is more money spent on entitlements now or from 1956-1981 considering inflation?”

Inflation isn’t the only thing you need to include. There is also the size of the population and the percentage that uses those programs.

Loretta Paraguassu

February 13th, 2013
12:09 pm

Jay Bookman, The Marco Rubios of this world count on the people who will not read you editorial, will not get the information before it has been twisted and will believe just because they heard it on Fox News. We can only hope that Barack Obama reaches enough people and that U.S. citizens are not as brain dead as the GOP assumes.

barking frog

February 13th, 2013
12:09 pm

All I could hear was ‘I’ve got mine’ and you have got
BOOTSTRAPS !!.

willie lynch

February 13th, 2013
12:09 pm

How does reducing the size of government help put people to work?

Oscar

February 13th, 2013
12:10 pm

Rubio’s response is what you get from someone who wrote his resonse before he heard the speech. Just did not respond to what the President said. Ignored completely the goals and ways to get there proposed by the president.

Why do cons continue to deny the infrastructure, education and research are an important part of what the government does?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 13th, 2013
12:11 pm

I hope none of you saw me taking a sip of water while I was typing or wiping the sweat off of my forehead (I use two fingers myself tho Rubio uses the whole hand.) Thank God there’s no TV cameras on posters, even if Bookman does know what we’re going to post before we type it and sees us typing. That’s one reason why I won’t post if I’m buck-nekkid.

Marty Huggins'

February 13th, 2013
12:12 pm

Doggone/GA
February 13th, 2013
12:08 pm

Ok.

Is more or less of a percentage using these programs now or from 1956-1981?

Is there more spending per person on entitlements now than from 1956-1981?

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
12:13 pm

will not get the information before it has been twisted and will believe just because they heard it on Fox News.

that’s where you’re wrong. Virtually all of corporate media suffers this foolishness. Corporate media is why we still talk about a “debt crisis” in this country and why Very Serious People continue to gibber on about the importance of Reducing The Deficit Faster Faster Now Now.

Corporate media are Marco Rubio’s fluffers. That Rupert Murdoch happens to offer a Stupid Concentrate brand for the very dim is not really the problem, here.

Oscar

February 13th, 2013
12:13 pm

Willie – reducing waste in goverment reduces the amount we will have to borrow, and reduces the interest we will have to pay onthe loans.

We have to cut costd of govt. down to what we can afford or else face hypweflation down the road.

jewcowboy

February 13th, 2013
12:13 pm

“The American people are going to have a hard time swallowing that”

Not the Republican rubes who continually vote against their best interest.

jhunt163

February 13th, 2013
12:14 pm

That is an easily disprovable assertion. Medicare is not a failure; Social Security is not a failure; the GI Bill was not a failure; Head Start is not a failure; unemployment insurance is not a failure. The student loan and Pell Grant programs are not failures. Neither is Medicaid, which among other things insures two-thirds of Americans receiving long-term nursing home care in this country

I would say $122 trillion in unfunded liabilities say otherwise.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 13th, 2013
12:14 pm

It’s not about more taxes and more government spending. Its about creating programs that work. We’ve shown time and time again that these programs work. The problem is that the buffoons continue to demand that the government spend money on foolishness like tanks we don’t need, wars that should not be fought or lining the pockets of those at the top.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
12:14 pm

As long as Rubio’s down with cutting government, let’s ask him to cut that Wet Foot – Dry Foot immigration policy that allows Cubans to stay if they can set foot on US soil.

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
12:15 pm

Thank God there’s no TV cameras on posters, even if Bookman does know what we’re going to post before we type it

heh, heh, heh.

Jay

February 13th, 2013
12:15 pm

” That’s one reason why I won’t post if I’m buck-nekkid.”

And I appreciate that more than you will ever know.

Doggone/GA

February 13th, 2013
12:15 pm

“I would say $122 trillion in unfunded liabilities say otherwise.”

Hate to break it to you, but money is not the only measure of success

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
12:16 pm

Yay! the Unfunded Liabilities card played in a mere 14 minutes!

Did you know that we have approximately 787 Quadrillion in unfunded liabilities if you project out to the year 2222? It’s true!

Oscar

February 13th, 2013
12:19 pm

Neck – you can post naked — just don’t post but nekked. (for definitions se some of old columns by Louis Grizzard)

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
12:20 pm

In fact, Rubio and his family have themselves benefited greatly from those programs.

they benefitted GREATLY. Rubio’s family is Cuban American. they benefitted from instant one size fits every cuban citizenship; they benefitted from government programs set up for the cubans alone; and THEN they benefitted from living in south florida in general.

The mean old government of S.Florida changed street signs in predominantly Cuban areas to Spanish so that it would make it easier for cubans to get around.

the mean old government of S. Florida made sure that every government function/job was made bilingual to make it easier for cubans to understand what was going on.

AND the mean old government of S. Florida even put SPANISH ballots together so that the brand new american citizens of cuban descent could vote!

Rubio forgot to mention any of these facts. I wonder why……………….

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
12:21 pm

jhunt — “I would say $122 trillion in unfunded liabilities say otherwise.”

So if a corporation *intentionally* fails to fund its employee pension or retirement fund (e.g. under the guise of ‘oh, we’ll make good on that in a year or two;), those unfunded liabilities are evidence that the *pension/retirement plans themselves* are a bad idea? Is that what you’re saying?

I may not be following you, but it sounds like you’re predicating the worth, value and importance of such plans and programs on the choices of their management — and that if management decides to stop or delay contributing, that’s the *program’s* fault, not management’s.

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 13th, 2013
12:21 pm

Bookman claims THIS—————
and then shows graphs to prove that these program have INDEED…………been failures.———–

“That is an easily disprovable assertion. Medicare is not a failure; Social Security is not a failure; the GI Bill was not a failure; Head Start is not a failure; unemployment insurance is not a failure. The student loan and Pell Grant programs are not failures. Neither is Medicaid, which among other things insures two-thirds of Americans receiving long-term nursing home care in this country.

These and other programs — almost all of them opposed by Republicans since their inception — have been of immense service to “hardworking middle-class taxpayers” and other Americans.
.
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As per the graphes…Rubio AND Obama …….and our Falling Standard of Living ………the Failure is……………..Self Evident.

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
12:21 pm

Fantastic graphs Jay. Unfortunately they mean nothing… You should face reality that obama’s policies have failed. Record unemployment for a first term Presidency, Record spending. Record food stamp recipients, Record number of people no longer in the workforce. Record number of people on disability, Record gas prices. Record health costs… I could go on and on and there’s nothing you could say to refute this….

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
12:22 pm

I guess Jay’s next post will be about Rand Paul….. Oh the usefulness…

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
12:24 pm

I. Finger — “You should face reality that obama’s policies have failed.”

Speaking of facing reality, your guy lost. There’s nothing you can say to refute that.

barking frog

February 13th, 2013
12:25 pm

Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, Ted Nugent. Real GOP housewives.

getalife

February 13th, 2013
12:29 pm

Our President’s agenda is liberal and the gop are divided and conquered.

Best speech so far.

He is annihilating the gop.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 13th, 2013
12:29 pm

Well, I got to admit I missed the ending of Rubio’s speech. Was it “Get off of my damned lawn!”

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
12:30 pm

Yes, but our so-called liberal media does diddly-squat to truth-check it when these horrible men make that assertion. So they’ll go right on asserting and asserting the Zombie Lie.

Real journalism went out of “vogue” with Nelly Bly.

these days the only freedom that the press wants to keep is the freedom to make profit.

CNN is a good example of whats happening with the press now. They’ve cut the budget on the reporters who do “investigative reports” — too costly. They’ll just get their news from other news sources – without even checking the validity of what the other news sources are saying.

that’s why we’re still talking about the 4/5 people who died in Benghazi and no one is talking about the 200+ Congressmen/women who voted to cut the budget for the State department that would’ve made those 4/5 people safer and could’ve probably saved their lives.

Can’t afford to fact check anymore…………..just repeat.

Fat Boy

February 13th, 2013
12:30 pm

If these Republicans were in Congress 44 years ago, we would be looking at the moon and wondering if we would ever be able to put footprints in it’s soil…

Logical Dude

February 13th, 2013
12:30 pm

So, Why didn’t Rubio run for President again?

I mean, if he’s the go-to guy to respond to the State of the Union address. . . where was he a year ago?

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
12:32 pm

Nelly Bly.

Wonder how many got that ref without googling?

jhunt163

February 13th, 2013
12:32 pm

and that if management decides to stop or delay contributing, that’s the *program’s* fault, not management’s.

The plan is a static entity and obviously cannot be blamed unless it was funded under misguided assumptions like what the CBO has been doing for years. Just look at early assumptions for Medicaid and Medicare and the CBO was way off in it’s analysis. If a company decides not to fund a pension plan due to financial constraints in the company, I have freedom to change jobs and have done so numerous times. I have no option to opt out of Social Security and Medicare and yet remain a US Citizen.

Cosby

February 13th, 2013
12:33 pm

You are right Jay..The King spoke and all should listen…the Government should provide, housing, food, Cars, Health Care, Retirement to the masses…there is only one problem…how in the hell will the Government pay for it..The King announced another 29 New Programs to add to the burden of The Government coffers…The Government is providing food for more people that live in Spain..so tell me most wonderful Jay, where is the king going to get the money?? but wait, after 64 years of busting my rear end to get somewhere close to comfortable, he is going to tell me that I need to downsize, drive a small orange juice can, live in a smaller home, only cool it to 80 degrees in summer and warm it to 60 degrees in winter. I will be told when to go to the doctor and what services I may receive, I will be told what I can spend on food and what foods I will be allowed to eat. Yep Jay, The King has spoken…but I still do not know how the hell he will pay for it…Well Social Security – funded by confiscation of everyones 401k and then redistributed ..now I get it The King has spoken!!!

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
12:33 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

I. Finger — “You should face reality that obama’s policies have failed.”

Speaking of facing reality, your guy lost. There’s nothing you can say to refute that.

Does that mean obama’s policies have worked. I don’t think so….

getalife

February 13th, 2013
12:34 pm

It is very obvious cosby failed to listen to our President.

Just ignorant.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
12:35 pm

Fantastic graphs Jay. Unfortunately hey mean nothing… I can’t read graphs, (failed basic math); so I’ll sneer and change the subject instead. It may be petty and stooopid; but hey – it makes me feel like a real man when i do petty and stooopid things like that.

Fixed it for ya! Don’t thank me. I do this out of love for my fellow man.

Jay

February 13th, 2013
12:35 pm

The drama queens are emoting copiously.

Marty Huggins'

February 13th, 2013
12:36 pm

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33074.pdf

Seems that during the selected time frame that spending for entitlements has ballooned since the given 1956-1981.

Almost seems like the income inequality rose around the same time and nearly same rate as entitlement spending rose.

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
12:36 pm

DDR, by the way, looks like the ruins of that establishment are still there for all to see. (it’s… creepy, even from the Circle Line deck.)

larry

February 13th, 2013
12:37 pm

Speaking of Ted Nugent, did he show up last night ?

barking frog

February 13th, 2013
12:37 pm

Jhunt163
I have no option to opt out of Social Security and Medicare and yet remain a US Citizen.
…………………………………………………………………..
You might be interested in irs form 4029…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 13th, 2013
12:38 pm

Record gas prices. … I could go on and on and there’s nothing you could say to refute this….

Jay, I have to admit Itchy finally got one of his troll posts correct. In the minds of these churlish trolls, no fact, no evidence, no logic, no reality will refudiate the buffoonish false claims and desperation of the extreme wingnuts who see conspiracies everywhere and find fault in anything Obama does.

Kitty

February 13th, 2013
12:38 pm

Itchy, those records didn’t occur the day after Obama’s 2009 inauguration. They have been occurring for years even under a GOP controlled Congress and Administration. You don’t recover from those sort of things overnight. I only hope in 2016 we don’t have a GOP president and things go belly up again as they will if he or she goes with austerity programs. That went so well in the UK…NOT!

Denial…for the GOP not just a river in Egypt.

Stevie Ray

February 13th, 2013
12:39 pm

JAY

That is an easily disprovable assertion. Medicare is not a failure; Social Security is not a failure; the GI Bill was not a failure; Head Start is not a failure; unemployment insurance is not a failure. The student loan and Pell Grant programs are not failures. Neither is Medicaid, which among other things insures two-thirds of Americans receiving long-term nursing home care in this country.

Does the concept of sustainability have any meaning to you? They may not be failures by traditional measures, but our elected dopes are fiscally doing everything in their collective powers to allow these progams to swirl down the toilet of government dysfunction.

Kitty

February 13th, 2013
12:39 pm

Frankly I wonder how many of the GOP here in Georgia actually know where Egypt really is!?

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
12:40 pm

Wonder how many got that ref without googling?

Stands, the majority of the posters on this blog are very intelligent and very well read.

DISCLAIMER: I won’t point out names, you dumb ones………….well…………you already know who you are.

Stevie Ray

February 13th, 2013
12:41 pm

larry

February 13th, 2013
12:37 pm

I heard he did in jeans and cowboy lid. I’m wondering if those on the left are correct and his past comments actually can be considered a threat to the life of a sitting president, would he not be enjoying the fruits of incarceration? Talk about contextual piracy..

willie lynch

February 13th, 2013
12:42 pm

Oscar

February 13th, 2013
12:13

Interesting. I guess I just don’t get the what we can afford part. The things called entitlements were not the things that got us into the financial crisis but they are taking the lead as the things we need to reduce. I think this focus is misplaced. Health care should have been single payer which would have fixed Medicaid and Medicare, SS should never have been raided to fund other projects and the banks should be forced to give us back the money (in the form of loans) that they were given and told to lend.

Without the government spending money to get the country back on it’s feet we are never going to get the unemployed back to work since the private sector is only interested in whining about the regulations that are placed on them to make sure they are acting properly or whether they will have to pay the cost of doing business (taxes) in this environment.

In a nutshell without the jobs bill which will increase federal spending (and have the added affect of putting Americans to work) we will continue to plod along economically because there isn’t enough money being circulated to fund SS, and consume goods, etc. etc.

So there’s an argument for big government in the short term since the $1 million bonus crowd in the private sector doesn’t seem to want to step up to the plate.

TaxPayer

February 13th, 2013
12:42 pm

I don’t know why you bother, Jay. It’s not as though Republicans do math.

Further, you established that they simply deny the existence of the very lives that they lived and substitute a lie in it’s place–i.e., Rubio’s “Tale of The Two Parallel Universes” that he lived in.

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
12:43 pm

I know the libs new hero Chris Dorners done has them spewing today….

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 13th, 2013
12:44 pm

DISCLAIMER: I won’t point out names, you dumb ones………….well…………you already know who you are.

Well there could be those who are too dumb to know they are on the dumb list……. hey, wait a minute!

Mr Right

February 13th, 2013
12:45 pm

U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio may have had an awkward, amateurish moment in his rebuttal to the State of the Union last night — grace under pressure it was not — but it’s nothing that will do permanent damage to his career

Had to grin when I read that, that’s Jay at his best, didn’t bother to read the rest since you can pretty well predict what the rest of it said! Go Jay go, there are people on here will take that drivel and run with it.
Ho-Hum, any more GOP bashing today, if not I predict it will come tomorrow! Ha!

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
12:45 pm

Kitty:

the real denial is that all that I stated massively increased under this failed President. There’s simply no denying it…..

TaxPayer

February 13th, 2013
12:45 pm

It’s a good thing itchy is doing fine because I’d sure hate to see how much he would be whining if he weren’t.

Jefferson

February 13th, 2013
12:46 pm

Put a funnel in that cats hands at a kegger and you got a show on your hands.

Stevie Ray

February 13th, 2013
12:46 pm

Jay

February 13th, 2013
12:35 pm

Drama? You could take that entire speech last evening and produce a pulitzer prize winning novel which undoubtedly result in academy award winning film and a second Nobel prize…the whole thing..You could pepper it at time with Rubio’s somewhat less dramatic response.

moonbat betty

February 13th, 2013
12:47 pm

I must admit, the way Rubio paused to take a sip of water did look funny.

For Obama’s next speech, they should have him pause in the middle and fire up a cig.

jhunt163

February 13th, 2013
12:47 pm

You might be interested in irs form 4029

Wow thanks BF. I didn’t know that existed.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 13th, 2013
12:48 pm

Drama Queens Jay? A master of understatement, you are…

Living With Open Eyes

February 13th, 2013
12:48 pm

Why does the President and everybody in government believe that high tech education will solve all our economic woes? Just how many people can punch buttons on computers and get paid for it? The shift of our industries to high tech is the problem. We must bring plain old manual manufacturing jobs back to the USA or we will only see unemployment rise as our population increases.

Chris

February 13th, 2013
12:49 pm

Form 4029 only applies to certain groups: Amish, Native Americans, etc… All can apply, but few are accepted.

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
12:49 pm

It’s not as though Republicans do math.

oh, they do. It’s just that many of them seem to think that their math should focus on shoehorning the economy of the richest, most powerful nation ever on earth into the moccasins of some mythical mom-and-pop shop.

Forgetting that this shop can print its own currency, has people falling over themselves to lend them resources for nothing, and can vaporize their competitors with a phone call. Among other super powers, of course.

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
12:49 pm

Doggone/GA

February 13th, 2013
12:49 pm

“Why does the President and everybody in government believe that high tech education will solve all our economic woes?”

I suspect the cloth weavers of the 19th century said pretty much the same thing about the automated looms

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
12:50 pm

jhunt — “The plan is a static entity and obviously cannot be blamed”

SNIP. The rest of your assertion is without merit. And thank you for your assent on this point.

“If a company decides not to fund a pension plan due to financial constraints in the company, I have freedom to change jobs and have done so numerous times.”

In other words, you give the plan administrators a pass. Thought so.

If you’re a retiree and you find out after the fact that your employer failed to abide by funding agreements as regards the pension plan, you have little recourse against the employer or the corporate principals who made the decisions to withhold agreed-upon funding. IMO, that’s not only a breach of contract, it should also be treated as a legal failure to abide by a consent agreement with the attendant legal penalties incumbent upon those who committed them, with a strict liability standard. IOW, if the plaintiffs can show that one or more individuals failed to fund the plan as agreed, then those individuals automatically incur legal penalties with no possibility of appeal.

“I have no option to opt out of Social Security and Medicare and yet remain a US Citizen.”

:roll:

If you don’t like SS, then simply don’t file to claim it. If, however, your gripe is that you can’t direct that small fraction of your earnings toward the retirement plan of your choice, go open an IRA and pipe down.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
12:50 pm

I. Finger — “Does that mean obama’s policies have worked.”

No, it means your guy lost, so stop whining and deal with it.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
12:51 pm

stands: DDR, by the way, looks like the ruins of that establishment are still there for all to see.

I didn’t know that! See stands……..there are plenty of smart folks here on the blog, and plenty of people who are glad that they can learn something from them! Thanks for that!

============

Blind Stevie: Does the concept of sustainability have any meaning to you? They may not be failures by traditional measures, but our elected dopes are fiscally doing everything in their collective powers to allow these progams to swirl down the toilet of government dysfunction.

Stevie — you do know that you’ve PROVED Jay’s assertion don’t you? By saying this: but our elected dopes are fiscally doing everything in their collective powers to allow these progams to swirl down the toilet of government dysfunction; you’ve just proven that its not the PROGRAMS that are failures, but the people in CHARGE of them.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 13th, 2013
12:51 pm

I streamed all three speech’s this morning. As I stated earlier, there were two things I took from rand Paul’s rebuttal, one good and one bad, but I got nothing from Rubio, but “the usual suspects”. I agree with the assessment that he is not yet ready for the big time, but he does have time to learn. One thing he is going to have to learn is how to lie better without gagging and grabbing a glass of water…heh, heh…

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 13th, 2013
12:52 pm

Well, I want to live in that “working class neighborhood” Marco Rubio says he lives in. He’s selling his house for a cool $675,000 and planning on moving to D.C. I always knowed I was underpaid.

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2013/02/marco_rubio_who_bragged_about.php

Jefferson

February 13th, 2013
12:54 pm

I laugh loud and long in the general direction of the itch, so full it is funnny — the squirming and crying is music, I tell you music….

Anton Chigurh

February 13th, 2013
12:54 pm

I don’t read you as judiciously as I should I guess. You do agree trillion dollar deficits are unsustainable though, right? And, I don’t discount new revenues or defense cuts. But in a nutshell, what’s the solution to longterm fiscal heath, if you don’t mind repeating something I’ve missed, or not absorbed. Thank you.

the dog

February 13th, 2013
12:54 pm

Itchy-I take severe exception to your use of the word “fruit” unless referring to an apple, orange, etc.

As you know, that word has long been the bigotted name for homosexuals. Can you choose another word to express your disdain? Broaden your vocabulary?

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
12:54 pm

alex

February 13th, 2013
12:55 pm

“hard working middle class taxpayer”-” unemployment insurance”..Jay, did you actually listen/read what he said otr did you already have your mind made up to disagree, of course the later, since yourso fond of graphs, please explain,”the Gini index”..give it a break you are not convincing people who try to be objective and your syncophants do not need any more convincing, their minds (?) are already made up. Share of GDP going to workers paycheck, any idea of absolutes if Gdp goes up 10 fold and income goes up 5 fold , is this bad?, relative reductions are NOTORIUS for not telling the “story” accurately. As for families, my parents immigrated here in the early 1950′, the only country that would take them, ask them if they think the explosion of govt. has helped this country, go ahead…My parents voted for obama, They came from a fascists country, you think they’re impressed by Govt . programs..

Marty Huggins'

February 13th, 2013
12:55 pm

Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it)
February 13th, 2013
12:52 pm

Welp,

I assume one would have to be doing some type of work to afford that type of home.

Oh wait a minute he’s a politician completely disregard what I said.

Liberal Nightmare

February 13th, 2013
12:55 pm

I wonder of you Cookman leaches ever get off your arse and look around at reality? Your party and ideology exists because of an ever growing entitlist society and an ethic group whose fear causes them vote 90% to one party. Without the fear and the crowd who wants som-din for nuddin – you got nuddin but a bunch of nutters. (statement dumbed down for Cookman followers)

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
12:56 pm

Sure looks like most people didn’t agree with hardly any of obama’s tripe…. 12.9 million people..

http://www.bing.com/politics/stateoftheunion

the dog

February 13th, 2013
12:57 pm

The fishy part: A month after Rubio purchased the home, U.S. Century Bank reappraised the house at $735,000 and then offered him a new $135,000 home equity loan that the speaker gladly accepted. U.S. Century’s board of directors included Sergio Pino — a megadeveloper who allied with Rubio on a key vote against slot machines — as well as GOP lobbyist Rodney Barreto and consultant Jose Cancela. Essentially, a bank controlled by supporters printed Rubio $135K out of thin air.

“It’s very unusual to get a new equity line so quickly,” says Michael Cannon, managing director of Integra Realty Resources in Miami. “The average person would never get a deal like that. He got it, clearly, because of his connections.”

Even worse, Rubio never disclosed the line of credit. Confronted about the error, he laughed and told a Herald reporter he couldn’t understand why it was a story.

liberal hack

February 13th, 2013
12:57 pm

Jay, dispute this fact, we are still spending 1 Trillion more than we take in, how are you going to resolve that? Tax the rich more. Do you honestly believe you aren’t going to change the behavior of the rich if 50-60% of their income goes to the federal gov’t? And raising all taxes, which you’ve advocated, will those not hurt the middle class and the lower classes as well because your graphs have conviently shown us that our income isn’t growing either. Do you advocate another 5% from the lower classes going to the gov’t too.

Gov’t isn’t going to solve all the problems of the world, especially income inequality. In fact, it will make that problem worse!

RB from Gwinnett

February 13th, 2013
12:58 pm

Saw the highlights of Obama’s “please inflate my approval ratings” giveaway plan last night. As I said yesterday, just another campaign speech for the man. Disagree? Tell me how anything in it was different from his speeches of 6 months ago. More talk about more goverment and more spending we have no money for. It’s like the man thinks we have an endless supply of rich people we can vilify for more taxes or something. Bizzare.

Living With Open Eyes

February 13th, 2013
12:58 pm

Doggone?Ga – You know I’m not so stupid as to propose getting rid of machines and deleting the industrial revolution. I am proposing that we enact high tariffs on imports such as cars, televisions, computers, toys, household furniture and goods,etc. and resume making these products in USA.The high tech and service economy we have now is a proven failure. It is idiotic to continue on the path we are on.

Butch Cassidy (I)

February 13th, 2013
12:59 pm

Cosby – “The Government is providing food for more people that live in Spain..”

If you’re going to repeat what Brian Kilmeade said this morning on Fox and Friends, you should at least give him credit for the cite.

Mr Right

February 13th, 2013
12:59 pm

Listening to Obamas SOTU speech was a lot like going to the restroom and pushing the button on the hand dryer—- Nothing we didn’t hear before, just a bunch of hot air!

jhunt163

February 13th, 2013
1:00 pm

If you don’t like SS, then simply don’t file to claim it. If, however, your gripe is that you can’t direct that small fraction of your earnings toward the retirement plan of your choice, go open an IRA and pipe down.

That is the most ignorant statement you have made yet. Of course I am going to claim it since I have been forced, and yes I mean forced to participate in it. Oh, and yes, I do have multiple IRA’s. I have no grandiose delusions on the survival or value of our entitlement programs.

Stevie Ray

February 13th, 2013
1:00 pm

DebbieDoRight – A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
12:51 pm

Yes that was basically the point and additionally that doesn’t mean they will remain such if those dolts in DC continue not the face facts…It would also be nice to find 10% waste in each that undoubtedly exists…an idea is to offer employees the means to identify waste for consideration.

Dumb and Dumber

February 13th, 2013
1:00 pm

The fundamental problem we have in this country is that more and more of your work value (what you are paid) is a function of your brain/intelligence/intellectual power, not your brawn. And we may be getting bigger and stronger as a people, but I sure don’t see a whole lot of examples of us getting much smarter. And plenty of examples of people getting dumber. Without a huge percentage of the population learning the simple fact they are going to have to get a lot more educated to compete for jobs in this world, they are marginalized to poverty pretty easily these days, unfortunately.

Bruce Dickenson

February 13th, 2013
1:02 pm

what we need is more gov’t!

I put my pants on one leg at a time, then I go waste taxpayer money buying votes for my reelection

Doggone/GA

February 13th, 2013
1:02 pm

“I am proposing that we enact high tariffs on imports such as cars, televisions, computers, toys, household furniture and goods,etc. and resume making these products in USA.”

Have you always lived in a dream world, or is it a recent event? I hope you’re not holding your breath waiting for that. Protectionism might work for a short time, but it’s not a long term solution and it’s not going to happen.

If we want those businesses back, we’ve got to COMPETE for them. We can’t compete on wages, but we CAN and SHOULD compete on quality

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
1:03 pm

since yourso fond of graphs, please explain,”the Gini index”.

See the blue letters below? Take your mouse and “click” (as the kids say) on them.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Gini+index

getalife

February 13th, 2013
1:03 pm

Since the cons refuse to listen to our President, I refuse to listen to the gop.

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
1:03 pm

the dog

Itchy-I take severe exception to your use of the word “fruit” unless referring to an apple, orange, etc.

As you know, that word has long been the bigotted name for homosexuals. Can you choose another word to express your disdain? Broaden your vocabulary?

I’m sorry if I offended you. How about I just call you dog?

Bruce Dickenson

February 13th, 2013
1:03 pm

I’ve got a fever, and the only perscription is more gov’t!

комиссар (Occupation)

February 13th, 2013
1:04 pm

“Yet, as their son explained to the American people Tuesday night, the Republican Party believes that government should take no account of those changed conditions”

Because Rubio, like the party he aspires to lead, is the mouthpiece for US capital, which is hell bent and determined to roll back every last scrap of the 20th C edifice of social programs and the social contract that underlay it. He’s lying. Flat out lying.

And the striking thing about that pathetic excuse for a “response” last night by Rubio was how of a piece it was with the presidential campaign last year of Mitt Romney. It’s as thought the GOP’s leaders barely even can muster any minimal belief in the substance of the message their hawking, so there’s almost a weird kind of half-embarrassed going through the motions about it. No wonder he had to lunge for the water bottle. Lying through your teeth on national television must be demoralizing, hard work.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
1:04 pm

I don’t know why you bother, Jay. It’s not as though Republicans do math.

Hey republicans do math!! Their math is just not based on things like facts and fiction.

Their math is magic based and makes them feel all warm and fuzzy when they use it.

Their math is called matherbation — and when you’re a republican and are matherbating over facts, it just makes you feel better.

=============

We must bring plain old manual manufacturing jobs back to the USA or we will only see unemployment rise as our population increases

Man, I hope what you said above was just one of those “tongue in cheek” comments to get people thinking….you know…..a joke not to be taken seriously. Cause if you were serous……DAMN!

Steve

February 13th, 2013
1:04 pm

And the same trolls who post racist nonsense and all out lies will continue to ignore the data and vote against their best interests.

Fly-On-The-Wall

February 13th, 2013
1:04 pm

Itchy, but what you don’t state is the reasons why those items ‘massively increased’ under this President. No mention of the failed policies of the previous President and all of the debt that came from him.

Steve

February 13th, 2013
1:06 pm

How many people in here realize that countries with ‘more government’ than us that balance capitalism with socialism, are doing BETTER than us and people live longer and are HAPPIER, and more prosperous?

Seriously folks, please join the rest of us in the 21st century. We outnumber you now.

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
1:07 pm

I just don’t understand how obama can say what he proposes won’t increase the debt…. I wonder if libs simply ignore facts or maybe perhaps they are so far entrenched in the obama fairy tale that they can’t focus on intellectual thought?

liberal hack

February 13th, 2013
1:07 pm

I have to say that I agreed w/ 1 1/2 points from the President’s speech last night.

Anyone can get a girl pregnant, it takes a man to raise it. AGREED wholeheartedly, maybe women wouldn’t feel pressured to abort a living child if men stepped up and raised that child with her.

I also agree that maybe we shouldn’t give subsidies to oil and gas companies, but we shouldn’t subsidize wind, solar, farts, or any other “green energy” either!

moonbat betty

February 13th, 2013
1:08 pm

“Since the cons refuse to listen to our President, I refuse to listen to the gop.”

It’s hard to listen to a broken record for 4 years.

Vet

February 13th, 2013
1:08 pm

Rubio is a fine man so why attack him because he has different views than Obama! Do we really want a one party system in America? People need to come together for the common good and stop blaming the other party. Two wrongs never make a right!

Living With Open Eyes

February 13th, 2013
1:09 pm

It is not the USA’s responsibility to take care of the world. It is the resposibility of the USA to take care of its citizens.If the USA trades almost exclusively within its own borders all the “dumb” people will be able to do the “dumb”jobs we pay foreigners overseas to do – like make shoes and clothing, household goods etc.”Dumb” people have a right to earn a living too.

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
1:09 pm

Ok, so I had a look at the prepared text:

There are valid reasons to be concerned about the President’s plan to grow our government. But any time anyone opposes the President’s agenda, he and his allies usually respond by falsely attacking their motives.

When we point out that no matter how many job-killing laws we pass, our government can’t control the weather – he accuses us of wanting dirty water and dirty air.

When we suggest we strengthen our safety net programs by giving states more flexibility to manage them – he accuses us of wanting to leave the elderly and disabled to fend for themselves.

And tonight, he even criticized us for refusing to raise taxes to delay military cuts – cuts that were his idea in the first place. But his favorite attack of all is that those who don’t agree with him – they only care about rich people.

What a friggin’ WATB.

JamVet

February 13th, 2013
1:10 pm

Staggering losses in three out of the past four national elections confirm that the American Fascist Party is spiraling in. Further, the chances of them getting crushed in three out of the next four are also very high. And growing weekly.

Ask them why they keep getting their teeth kicked in in national elections and they will tell you.

1) The American people are stupid. Everybody that is except them and their GOP pals.

2) The American people are lazy mooches who do not want good jobs. Everybody that is except them and their GOP pals.

3) The American people are “dependent upon government.” (Ask them, I have no idea what this one even means) Everybody that is except them and their GOP pals.

4) Uncle Sam is too big for his britches and needs to be drowned in a bathtub.

Fortunately as they champion themselves as the party of no personal responsibility (LOL!) they do not have to admit that they are their worst problem. That the reason they are getting annihilated so regularly anymore has NOTHING to do with them as people or their policies.

And I encourage them to NOT change one single thing in this new Republican model of success…

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
1:11 pm

jhunt — “That is the most ignorant statement you have made yet.”

Oh, get over yourself. :roll: If you dislike SS, then simply don’t file to claim it. And if you have anything else to say to that, do us both a favor and keep it to yourself, because I’m sick of your whining and complaining.

“Of course I am going to claim it since I have been forced, and yes I mean forced to participate in it.”

Sucks to be you. :roll:

“Oh, and yes, I do have multiple IRA’s.”

Good. Then pipe down about SS and go manage your retirement funds like an adult.

“I have no grandiose delusions on the survival or value of our entitlement programs.”

Just FYI, SS is *insurance.* It’s even in the name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OASDI

Butch Cassidy (I)

February 13th, 2013
1:12 pm

Liberal Nightmare – “Your party and ideology exists because of an ever growing entitlist society and an ethic group whose fear causes them vote 90% to one party.”

I know, all those Republicans who feel entitled to all this country has to offer but never want to pony up to pay the bill. As to all the old white guys always voting GOP, I understand the party is trying to change. Buck up little camper.

Steve

February 13th, 2013
1:12 pm

Yeah, Rubio is a “fine man” …easy on the eyes, but delusional:

“Rubio: George W. Bush ‘did a fantastic job as president’
By David Edwards
Sunday, April 22, 2012 13:16 EDT

“I haven’t gone through the comparison,” Rubio told CNN’s Candy Crowley. “I think that presidents serve in different times with different challenges. And so I think that George W. Bush, in my opinion, did a fantastic job as president over eight years, facing a set of circumstances during those eight years that are different from the circumstances that a President Romney would face.””

getalife

February 13th, 2013
1:14 pm

He cleaned up the we disasters and now he will restore the American dream.

If you work hard, you can make a decent living for your family.

God bless President Obama.

Butch Cassidy (I)

February 13th, 2013
1:14 pm

Itchy Finger – “Sure looks like most people didn’t agree with hardly any of obama’s tripe…. 12.9 million people..”

12.9 million out of a country of over 300 million? That translates into “most people” for you?

JamVet

February 13th, 2013
1:14 pm

And so I think that George W. Bush, in my opinion, did a fantastic job as president over eight years…

Three words – political death sentence.

Stevie Ray

February 13th, 2013
1:15 pm

DebbieDoRight – A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
1:04 pm

Any one who even hints that manufacturing jobs will become fashionable in the US anytime in the future is matherbating like it was the last day on earth.

getalife

February 13th, 2013
1:15 pm

w disasters.

Stevie Ray

February 13th, 2013
1:17 pm

Butch Cassidy (I)

February 13th, 2013
1:14 pm

You do realize all those polls folks are so smitten with are generally conducted on 1000 give or take respondents?

Ergo, 13 million is statistically meaningful without dispute…of course the way questions are phrased can certainly impact outcomes.

getalife

February 13th, 2013
1:18 pm

“And so I think that George W. Bush, in my opinion, did a fantastic job as president over eight years…”

And that “delusional lick spittle” ended rubio’s career.

HT/ Fred.

monty

February 13th, 2013
1:18 pm

We need bigger government!! More spending and less cuts!! Go Obama!! HIgher taxes on the wealthy!! THat will solve everything!! It’s all working great!! Big government will save us, tell us what, when and how to do it!! Can’t wait for 4 more years of this stuff!! BY the time Hilary gets ready to run we’ll be well on our way to less debt and more jobs!! YAh!! It’s going to be comical when she has to diss the Obama policies in order to have something to run on.They were such good buds. But then again maybe she’ll get elected for being the 1st woman (you know like Obama did for being Black) and it won’t matter about the economy because gay marriage will mean more to the avg. american or having a woman Pres.(maybe she’ll garner every woman’s vote!!) Yay, women’s rights!! Poor America!! We’ve lost our senses. Form over substance.

Steve

February 13th, 2013
1:18 pm

40% of Republicans still think Iraq had WMDs, Jesus walked with the Dinosaurs, and Obama is a Muslim…so who cares what these people think.

moonbat betty

February 13th, 2013
1:18 pm

“American Fascist Party”

McCarthy say, WHAT!?

Steve

February 13th, 2013
1:19 pm

@monty – so how well did this all work out with George Bush/Cheney at the helm? Wasn’t three trillion dollar failed wars pretty much the BIG GOVERNMENT you are wailing about? However, they lowered taxes to the point that we can’t even keep our infrastructure in shape.

Steve

February 13th, 2013
1:20 pm

Yay! Vote against the stopping violence against women act! Yay!

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
1:21 pm

so who cares what these people think.

I think we’ve finally identified the problem

mm

February 13th, 2013
1:21 pm

“Record unemployment for a first term Presidency, Record spending. Record food stamp recipients, Record number of people no longer in the workforce. Record number of people on disability, Record gas prices. Record health costs… I could go on and on and there’s nothing you could say to refute this….”

All thanks to Republican policies that are still in place.

Tax cuts.
Medicare Part D
2 wars we’re trying to wind down.
The repeal of Glass-Steagall.
Shipping jobs overseas for a tax credit.
Trade agreements.
Unregulated Wall St.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
1:21 pm

S. Ray — “Ergo, 13 million is statistically meaningful without dispute…”

Rejected. 13 million, *randomly sampled,* would be meaningful.

13 million, *without* benefit of random sampling, isn’t.

alex

February 13th, 2013
1:22 pm

@ stands” thanks for the reference, but I was asking Jay, if he understood the Index, hopefully he will google your reference, “as the kids say:..let’s hear your interpretation, I don’t need no “stinking WWW”!. Sheesh! The point is a presentation of 4 out of thousands of charts will ,without furter explanation of their significance , only support what people want to see or confirm their biases. i am no economists, obviously, so I I don’t try to throw a few charts which I don’t understand into the fray and neither should Jay. and then you’ve got debbie and her fantasies about her 3rd grade math teacher, I guess she needs and outlet..go for it,

@ Bruce…., for Jay, it’s better than cowbell.

monty

February 13th, 2013
1:22 pm

“all 57 states” didn’t seem to hurt Obama.

Steve

February 13th, 2013
1:22 pm

You can tell just how insane the Republican Party has become when it can’t even agree that prosecuting and reducing violence against women is a no-brainer. For nearly two decades, even Republicans supported the Violence Against Women Act, because what kind of horrible, rotten excuse of a human being would publicly take issue with that?
Well, on Tuesday, when the Senate voted, again, to re-authorize the VAWA, 22 senators—all Republicans, all men—raised their hands to proudly proclaim, “I am that kind of horrible, rotten excuse of a human being!”

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
1:24 pm

Ughhh that should’ve been facts and FRACTIONS! sorry! :sad:

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As for families, my parents immigrated here in the early 1950′, the only country that would take them, ask them if they think the explosion of govt. has helped this country, go ahead…My parents voted for obama, They came from a fascists country, you think they’re impressed by Govt . programs..

Perhaps you should start by looking up the word FASCISM in the dictionary — afterwards you can, perhaps, give us examples on how Obama is such a Fascist. I think that’ll be a great start! Whaddaya think?

Stevie Ray

February 13th, 2013
1:24 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
1:11 pm

Technically, insurance is a means to transfer the misfortunes of a few amongst the many. Insurance is generally financed with premiums in line with all future liabilities, not a ponzi financing arrangement that exists. The problem is simple, early in its implementation, there were 16 workers supporting 1 current benefit recipient. In a matter of years, that ratio will be 2:1. So I can stop any two college graduates and say thanks in advance for the pain you will feel when I collect benefits…

JamVet

February 13th, 2013
1:24 pm

That’s right, betty. From the fascist McCarthy to the fascist Reagan to the fascist nimrods here who write about the Marxist Obama, it is the thread that has run through the GOP for sixty years…

Fortunately America’s liberals, moderates and progressives are finally getting good, very good, at politically killing American fascists…

Oscar

February 13th, 2013
1:25 pm

Monty – You must not have been listening to the President. That is not at all what he sai.

He said we need to reduce our debt, cut out waste and cut back programs nd ivest in infratructure, eucation and research with no net increasein spending, but an overall reduction. Combined with elimination od deductions to simplify the tax code.

That does not spell increase in big government..

St Simons - he-ne-ha

February 13th, 2013
1:25 pm

what i noticed and had a wtf moment over this grandchild tittybaby
of 1%er Cuban robber-barons, was –

“I benefiitted from gubmint aid to go to college.”

“We want to cut gubmint aid to go to college.”

This is one of a plethora of reasons the working class & the browns
down this way & south of here despiiise Mocha-latte Richy Rich.

Steve

February 13th, 2013
1:25 pm

@JamVet, and it is making the wingnuts lose it. I love watching the unraveling that occurs in these forums.

getalife

February 13th, 2013
1:26 pm

“Ordinary folks” is you cons.

You are self defeatists.

Your party does not care about you unless you are wealthy and can bribe them.

Your kids should shake you and say wake the f up.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
1:28 pm

S. Ray — “Technically, insurance is a means to transfer the misfortunes of a few amongst the many.”

I’m aware of everything you said in your post, though I don’t agree with it all. That said, you ignore the key point, that being that SS is *insurance.*

And frankly, I thought you were better informed about SS. I’m quite disappointed in you, referring to SS as a “Ponzi” scheme; frankly, an actuarial professional like yourself should know better.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_debate_in_the_United_States#Pyramid_or_Ponzi_scheme_claims

getalife

February 13th, 2013
1:28 pm

Jay was right about rubio’s water bottle going viral.

St Simons - he-ne-ha

February 13th, 2013
1:31 pm

oh dang, one of my favorite posters beat me to his most famous quote –

“..I think (Little Nero w/a Cowboy Hat) did an excellent job..as president”

for this reason alone he should not be allowed anywhere near sharp
forks or spoons, much less levers of power.

Marty Huggins'

February 13th, 2013
1:32 pm

Steve
February 13th, 2013
1:19 pm

It figures in like it should.

What led you to believe I agreed with Bush/Cheney?

I was a 19 year old college Freshman during Bush’s first election didn’t even vote. We had a game that day and at 19 I forgot to.

But if you looked at the link, the graphs show that continually from 1970 a mandatory spending system that was very small in regards to GDP has ballooned.

It also shows that many of the lines match up with that of the income inequality.

Why continue to compare ones actions to Bush’s?

Is that really the standard we want to set for presidents?

It would be more useful to compare to President Henry Harrison

Stevie Ray

February 13th, 2013
1:33 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
1:21 pm

You have a point about the randomness of pool but the numbers are so significant that the factor of random selection is minimalized..that is to any extent one party had a significantly larger participation level that another. In that case, the outcome needs be normalized…at least to the extent that the deviation was more that 10% or so…good point no less.

Uh Huh.......Rubio's Internal Contradictions

February 13th, 2013
1:34 pm

@larry

February 13th, 2013
12:37 pm
Speaking of Ted Nugent, did he show up last night ?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

At first reporters had a hard time finding him, but eventually the cameras discovered the Motor City Madman high in the House gallery, sitting quietly in the crowd, with his hat off, wearing non-camouflage clothing. He looked out of place, like a cowboy at a piano recital. He also looked bored.

Nugent told Breitbart that the GOP is more concerned with looking pretty than winning. They should not back off, not stop to allow the other side to talk, not acquiesce. They should escalate, he said.

“It’s almost like Mr. Rogers with Lawrence Welk music,” said Nugent, referring (we think) to the GOP. “That can’t win anything. The other side is ruthless. They’re just ruthless…. Maybe that’s why I’m allergic to ties. I see too many Republicans worried about grooming instead of winning.”

Ouch.

Uh Huh

alex

February 13th, 2013
1:36 pm

@ Debbie , another example or reading something that isn’t here because you are biased against what I have to say, before you actually read it. My parents came from a FASCISTS govt. What do I think, Read the statement, don’t prejudge, you MAY learn something more than “matherbation” if you want to.

@ Steve , of course Jesus walked with dinasours, if you believe in Christ, goodness……as for Iraq, old news ..muslim and obama, , you can’t teach everyone, see above!

JohnnyReb

February 13th, 2013
1:36 pm

It’s amazing how easily Moonbats fall for propaganda, but it explains how Obama was reelected.

Just where, please tell us, does it state, for example, in the law against assault that one can beat the heck out of woman but if a man you will be prosecuted? Let me save you some time, it doesn’t.

Where in the law on equal pay for equal work, which by the way came up for many reasons but mostly for the fair haired sex, does it state it’s OK to pay women less. Again, it doesn’t.

So, why, please tell us, do we need one more law to protect women? Answer, to make Libs feel better and give them one more talking point against those with common sense.

And, while you are at it, tell us how women will receive the fact that they will have to register for the draft, and if a draft actually occurs they will be included? That’s right, on the front line, crawling on their belly through grease, mud, sh (oh, the blue dog don’t like that word), excuse me, crap while real bullets whiz, if they are lucky, over their heads.

No, the Left has bought into the drivel of the Feminazis lock, stock and bra strap.

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
1:36 pm

In fact, we are told, the answer must be to shrink those government programs that — Rubio’s denials aside — have helped himself and countless millions more Americans achieve the dreams of their fathers and mothers.

He’s probably okay with shrinking the govt to what it was when he and his family took advantage of those programs…how does shrinking a govt or a program equate to total elimination?

Uh Huh.......Rubio's Internal Contradictions

February 13th, 2013
1:37 pm

Rubio not ready for prime time.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
1:37 pm

S. Ray — “You have a point about the randomness of pool but the numbers are so significant that the factor of random selection is minimalized..”

I disagree. The number cited was 12.9M out of the entire US population. That’s slightly over *four percent.* I don’t find that number “significant” at all, absent any specific context.

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
1:39 pm

Butch Cassidy (I)

Itchy Finger – “Sure looks like most people didn’t agree with hardly any of obama’s tripe…. 12.9 million people..”

12.9 million out of a country of over 300 million? That translates into “most people” for you?

You must know that many million obama supporters lack internet access or can even read….

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
1:40 pm

J. Reb — “No, the Left has bought into the drivel of the Feminazis lock, stock and bra strap.”

So this is a preview of the Republicans’ 2016 outreach to women voters, is it? :D

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
1:40 pm

mm

“Record unemployment for a first term Presidency, Record spending. Record food stamp recipients, Record number of people no longer in the workforce. Record number of people on disability, Record gas prices. Record health costs… I could go on and on and there’s nothing you could say to refute this….”

All thanks to Republican policies that are still in place.

Tax cuts.
Medicare Part D
2 wars we’re trying to wind down.
The repeal of Glass-Steagall.
Shipping jobs overseas for a tax credit.
Trade agreements.
Unregulated Wall St.

Blame blame blame… Is that all you loons can do? A mind is a terrible thing to waste…

JamVet

February 13th, 2013
1:41 pm

That Rubio was insane enough to actually say that about Bush/Cheney merely proves why millions of Americans are never again going to give these economic meltdown neocons another chance to prove what deadly and incompetent “crusaders” (GWB’s word) that they can once again be.

I suspect that in another 12 to 16 years they may start getting the message that they are the problem with the GOP. But maybe not…

getalife

February 13th, 2013
1:41 pm

Oh no, the gop lost the nuge.

They still have the newt for some bizarre reason.

JohnnyReb

February 13th, 2013
1:42 pm

Joe Mama – you’re a funny guy.

What’s this you think 12.9M, 4% of the populous are insignificant when your champion won reelection by a little less than 5 mil?

St Simons - he-ne-ha

February 13th, 2013
1:42 pm

‘Justice’ Scalia did not attend the SOTU.

“I don’t want to be there to lend dignity to it.”

c’mon evolution! Select for the gene that senses irony..

Stevie Ray

February 13th, 2013
1:43 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
1:28 pm

The term ‘insurance” is often misused relative to its tenets. And yes, the need to take in money from new sources to meet obligations of earlier investors is definitely ponzi like. this is confirmed by the commentary of the vested SS administration. Also, like ponzi schemes, the administrator uses investment income with trust funds but also uses the proceeds as security to assume debt.

It’s not a nice word of course but from a financing perspective, it definitely has all the qualities of a ponzi. Since the obligations in the future are not accounted for by current collections, it is not insurance. But technicalities like this really are irrelevant.

Its as good a system as any to be certain but the underwriting demograhics upcoming are nothing short of devastating.

Seriously Folks

February 13th, 2013
1:43 pm

What I find incredible, is there are NONE of the usual conservatives on here denouncing Sen. Rubio as an “anchor baby”…remember that whole debate? HMMM???? i mean his parents “showed up on the shores of Florida” and gained immediate citizenship (I will assume that will be made into a GOP/Rubio platform..just get here and BAM your are a citizen)…had babies….and keep their rights as citizens!

(meanwhile, they still cling to a fantasy of some VAST conspiracy whereby a US Citizen (the Presidents mother) has a baby in Hawaii, and somehow he is part Kenyan….)

But thats ok…we are reminded that those “libs” have double standards….

Jefferson

February 13th, 2013
1:43 pm

It is dang sho working.

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
1:43 pm

Steve

You can tell just how insane the obama and the dem Party has become when they still won’t call Ft Hood an act of terror. For nearly four years they are still in denial for fear of hurting the muslims feelings.

getalife

February 13th, 2013
1:43 pm

reb,

You got annihilated twice.

Man up and accept this fact.

JamVet

February 13th, 2013
1:44 pm

JHM, you gotta LOVE the Limbaugh-led Reb!

He is a walking billboard as to why the neocons are imploding.

And why they will likely never ( a word I do not use causally) again obtain a majority of the women voters in this country!

Awesome.

Good job misogynists!

комиссар (Occupation)

February 13th, 2013
1:44 pm

Vet: “Do we really want a one party system in America? ”

No. But we’ve effectively got one anyway.

getalife

February 13th, 2013
1:45 pm

scalia did not want to watch his party act like spoiled children again.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
1:46 pm

J. Reb — “Joe Mama – you’re a funny guy.”

Shrug.

“What’s this you think 12.9M, 4% of the populous are insignificant when your champion won reelection by a little less than 5 mil?”

One, I don’t have a “champion.”

Two, how many semesters of statistics have you had at or above the undergraduate level? I want to be sure I’m not wasting my time explaining this to you before I start.

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
1:46 pm

I propose a simple question to you libs. Dems controlled Congress during Bush’s last two years but bare no blame. Republicans have controlled Congress for the last two years of obama’s failed Presidency and bares all the blame… How is this a logical argument for ya’ll?

Simple Truths

February 13th, 2013
1:47 pm

Government has been such a good steward of our money and our country. Jay’s idea: let’s give them more.

No thanks. I’ll pass.

curious

February 13th, 2013
1:47 pm

Sequestration will reduce the size of Government; just not the parts of Government the Republicans don’t like.

JohnnyReb

February 13th, 2013
1:48 pm

Joe Mama – spare me your arrogance. I might not understand that 2 plus 2 equals 4.

guy

February 13th, 2013
1:48 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
1:50 pm

S. Ray — “The term ‘insurance” is often misused relative to its tenets.”

The term “insurance” is right in the name, OASDI.

“And yes, the need to take in money from new sources to meet obligations of earlier investors is definitely ponzi like.”

However, that’s not the *only* funding mechanism SS uses, and SS employs transparency in accounting, whereas Ponzi schemes do not. In any event, pay-as-you-go funding mechanisms — such as the one employed by SS — often *appear* to be the same as Ponzi schemes, despite the fact that they’re not.

Stevie Ray

February 13th, 2013
1:50 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
1:37 pm

Of course I see your point. As hard as it is to believe, the reason you hear caveat of +/- 3% or so, is explained by attached. As agreed the randomness of the bing thingy is suspect depending on the split. We will see what other random polls indicate I guess.

http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/project_ideas/Soc_participants.shtml

Halftrack

February 13th, 2013
1:50 pm

Jay, if everything is so good – - – Why is our debt still getting bigger everyday? and where are the jobs Obummer said he provided? Where did all the “stimulus” money go and where can I see something physical that shows an improvement beyond normal or routine? Oh Yeah; I hope you really don’t believe nothing is gonna cost you another dime. Get real, look around and see for yourself that things are getting worse.

комиссар (Occupation)

February 13th, 2013
1:51 pm

Here’s the Bookman blog versioin of a retweet. It’s just such a classic, I thought we should all enjoy it again;

We need bigger government!! More spending and less cuts!! Go Obama!! HIgher taxes on the wealthy!! THat will solve everything!! It’s all working great!! Big government will save us, tell us what, when and how to do it!! Can’t wait for 4 more years of this stuff!! BY the time Hilary gets ready to run we’ll be well on our way to less debt and more jobs!! YAh!! It’s going to be comical when she has to diss the Obama policies in order to have something to run on.They were such good buds. But then again maybe she’ll get elected for being the 1st woman (you know like Obama did for being Black) and it won’t matter about the economy because gay marriage will mean more to the avg. american or having a woman Pres.(maybe she’ll garner every woman’s vote!!) Yay, women’s rights!! Poor America!! We’ve lost our senses. Form over substance.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
1:51 pm

Steve @ 1:22 — Wow! your comment made me think of this picture — I’m going to call it the New Republican Party Symbol Of Manhood”.

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
1:51 pm

Is this Bing poll supposed to tell me that Bing users get uncomfortable when Barack says “s’cuse me while I whip this out?”

is that my take-away here?

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
1:51 pm

J. Reb — “Joe Mama – spare me your arrogance.”

Conclusion — you’ve taken little or no Stats at the college level. Thought so.

Jefferson

February 13th, 2013
1:51 pm

The GOP is being played big time, the president whips them into a frenzy, then they play right into what he wanted…sooner or later the money backers will bail on them

getalife

February 13th, 2013
1:52 pm

Lets not answer these cons ignorant questions because they failed to even bothering to listen to our President.

You can’t fix a stupid party and just keep marginalizing these con kooks.

JohnnyReb

February 13th, 2013
1:52 pm

Some of you who proclaim intellectual superiority might want to answer why is it the AJC today chose NOT to politifact Obama’s statements on the success of Pre-K ?

Hint – I’m sure it has nothing to do with the tall, skinny black man coming to ATL tomorrow to visit. Our beloved fish wrapper would not want to offend little Barry.

moonbat betty

February 13th, 2013
1:53 pm

“Fortunately America’s liberals, moderates and progressives are finally getting good, very good, at politically killing American fascists…”

You crack me up, Jamvet!

Stevie Ray

February 13th, 2013
1:53 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
1:50 pm

The government also calls pre-existing conditions coverage “insurance”. Nothing is further from the truth. You can’t insure a building already on fire…unless of course a buyer is willing to pay a premium in an amount of expected damage.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
1:53 pm

S. Ray — “Of course I see your point. As hard as it is to believe, the reason you hear caveat of +/- 3% or so, is explained by attached.”

I’m aware of how an MOE is calculated. However, you can’t make any credible claim of a *knowable* MOE with a non-random sample like that. Heck, you don’t even have a sampling frame to start from there.

Ben

February 13th, 2013
1:55 pm

It’s interesting to look at those charts. To me those charts display quite starkly that as government has increased, so has inequality and the share of GDP going to the rich. So your solution is to increase government even more?

Did it not occur to you that those items are all moving together, and so if we instead shrink government then inequality will shrink and the share of GDP going to the rich will shrink?

Your logic is the opposite of actual logic.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
1:55 pm

J. Reb — “Some of you who proclaim intellectual superiority”

J. Reb — “It’s amazing how easily Moonbats fall for propaganda, but it explains how Obama was reelected.”

Monsieur Pot, meet Senor Kettle.

Stevie Ray

February 13th, 2013
1:56 pm

DEBBIE

Sorry that doesn’t work for me..the foundation is accurate but he is not carrying a weapon with more that 10 rounds in it…also, no bible in tow or bumper stickers on his cart suggesting please don’t kill the babies.

Jay

February 13th, 2013
1:57 pm

Seriously, you’re seriously mistaken.

Rubio’s parents came here in 1956, well before Castro took power and thus well before the “one-foot-dry” policy took effect. His parents didn’t become citizens until almost 20 years later. Moreover, they emigrated here legally, so Marco was in no way an “anchor baby.”

JamVet

February 13th, 2013
1:59 pm

betty and I love it.

Spreading joy (or is it manure? LOL!) is what I love doing!

OK, back out to keep the Obama Recovery from the Bush Depression rolling…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h59mDlBSt7o

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
1:59 pm

S. Ray — “The government also calls pre-existing conditions coverage “insurance”. Nothing is further from the truth.”

Oh, please. An insurer can write whatever riders into a policy that it pleases, subject to applicable regulation and law. Besides, even before the ACA, plenty of health insurers would write coverage for pre-existing conditions, so long as you hadn’t needed treatment for it during the previous year or two (exclusion period). I’m sure Doom could tell you more about that, if he were here.

“You can’t insure a building already on fire…unless of course a buyer is willing to pay a premium in an amount of expected damage.”

However, I *could* insure a building that had *already* burnt down once and had been rebuilt.

Bohica

February 13th, 2013
2:00 pm

Many of the programs that Jay sights as successful govt. programs began in a different era of our history and initially had little affect on our economy. I. E. there were more workers contributing or paying into the sys than were recipients of the program. They did not have a huge impact on GDP. Our demographic has changed and there are fewer workers paying into the system and the numbers of receiving benefits has grown substantially with little change in the benefits earned. If something doesn’t change then these programs have a questionable future. Successful now, maybe not so sucessful later.

OBIWAN

February 13th, 2013
2:00 pm

Funny how libs blame Fox News for the ills of the world, so I am guessing that libs believe ABC, CBS, and NBC? How is it that the party that claims to be all inclusive single out Fox as telling lies, but ignore the lies of the other 3….

Stevie Ray

February 13th, 2013
2:02 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
1:53 pm

My point is that if you can create a credible outcome with 1000 randomly selected, we will find some merit with a sampling of 13 million. You’d be pleased to know your challenge to that particular survey has become a fun topic for the propeller heads here.

Gotta go..

independent thinker

February 13th, 2013
2:02 pm

So this is the savior of the stupid party? He seemed as knowledgeable about the presidency as that imbecile from Alaska. Has he gotten the Karl Rove seal of approval?

DownInAlbany

February 13th, 2013
2:02 pm

Vet

February 13th, 2013
1:08 pm

Rubio is a fine man so why attack him because he has different views than Obama! Do we really want a one party system in America? People need to come together for the common good and stop blaming the other party. Two wrongs never make a right!

Simple, but, true. Very true!

Jay

February 13th, 2013
2:02 pm

Ben, before you lecture others about deficient logic, I would suggest that you google “correlation is not causation.” It might save you further embarrassment and the rest of us further tedium.

Adam

February 13th, 2013
2:03 pm

but it’s nothing that will do permanent damage to his career

I disagree. The current Republican party is very dog eat dog. It almost seems as if they put people up to do the rebuttals so they can have a reason not to like them anymore.

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
2:04 pm

Jay

Seriously, you’re seriously mistaken.

Rubio’s parents came here in 1956, well before Castro took power and thus well before the “one-foot-dry” policy took effect. His parents didn’t become citizens until almost 20 years later. Moreover, they emigrated here legally, so Marco was in no way an “anchor baby.”

Wow Jay you pounced on this like a cougar on a jack rabbit. We gotta stop anyone from talking about Rubio being Hispanic and how he can relate to them and their needs…. We can’t lose that foothold…

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
2:07 pm

S. Ray — “My point is that if you can create a credible outcome with 1000 randomly selected, we will find some merit with a sampling of 13 million.”

Agreed, PROVIDED the 13M are ALSO randomly sampled.

Would you agree if my sample was, for example, composed of every individual living in the Greater Los Angeles area? That’d be about 13M.

How about if I said my sample was everyone living in the state of Georgia? There’s about 13M for you.

This is my point — with proper random sampling, you can make credible claims of that sort. *Without* proper random sampling, you might as well not have bothered; a WAG (Wild Azz Guess) is just as good.

You’d be pleased to know your challenge to that particular survey has become a fun topic for the propeller heads here.

Bernie

February 13th, 2013
2:08 pm

Marco Rubio is just a HAND PUPPET for the Republican Party. His remarks last night were so angry,frustrated, disconnected and he basically loooked like a USED CAR SALESMAN with too much hand movement. How can one possibly TRUST a MAN when he is speaking his hands are flailing all about. It shows lack of confidence of what is be said. If he lacks the confidence why shou;ld the American people trust him too!

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
2:08 pm

When will we see some of these gun control measures brought up for a vote?

getalife

February 13th, 2013
2:08 pm

The gop can’t say they are for free enterprise when they have been a giant regulation with self inflicted wounds to our economy.

rubio is a liar and hypocrite.

mm

February 13th, 2013
2:08 pm

“Blame blame blame… Is that all you loons can do? A mind is a terrible thing to waste…”

The truth hurts, doesn’t it? Just the facts ma’am.

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
2:09 pm

Why is our debt still getting bigger everyday?

god, the stupid…

You do know that the debt, the overall DEBT, hasn’t shrunk in ages, that it is not going to be “paid down” by even a dime under even the rosiest fiscal scenarios like, ever, yes? (Ok, maybe a decade or three, we might actually have some kind of surplus if all the planets align and we say “allahu ackbar” together, or somesuch.)

sheesh. Shouldn’t a basic grasp of these facts be required before you can ride this friggin’ thing?

fair and balanced

February 13th, 2013
2:09 pm

“”"”Mr. President, I still live in the same working class neighborhood I grew up in. My neighbors aren’t millionaires. They’re retirees who depend on Social Security and Medicare. They’re workers who have to get up early tomorrow morning and go to work to pay the bills. They’re immigrants, who came here because they were stuck in poverty in countries where the government dominated the economy. The tax increases and the deficit spending you propose will hurt middle class families. It will cost them their raises. It will cost them their benefits. It may even cost some of them their jobs.”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”
Did Mitt Romney write this pile of crap? First of all the Repubs couldn’t give a rat’s behind about the problems of the lower class. Second what tax increases did Obama propose last night? And that deficit spending sure was not a problem for the cons when Reagan and Bush were in office. Why is it a problem now? Oh I forgot due to the ruined economy the last president gave Obama more people went on unemployment, Medicaid and needed food stamps than ever before. Isn’t that why all those pesky Spanish speaking illegals come here?

JohnnyReb

February 13th, 2013
2:10 pm

Joe Mama – you, like your Moonbat friends here have a tell when reasonable debate elludes. The tell vaires slightly. Those with a common background and lesser education usually default to name calling or juvienile insults while those raised on the upper side of town with a higher education usually hold themselves above the opponent. Based on your responses of educational superiority AND juvenile replies such as the pot/kettle, my guess is you achieved an education level well above the family norm. Regardless, the only impression is, you are an example of the problem with the Left.

getalife

February 13th, 2013
2:13 pm

reb,

Stop crying.

Geez.

Jefferson

February 13th, 2013
2:14 pm

Reb you mad at something, you sure seem unhappy about your lot in life.

JohnnyReb

February 13th, 2013
2:15 pm

getalife – I’m not crying, my eyes and mind are clear. I just don’t like arrogance, especially that vomited by Joe Mama.

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
2:15 pm

You guys still going on about that Bing thing?

I had a look; it would seem from scanning the charts that the Reps/Indies (yeah, like there’s totally a difference!) stuck with the poll a lot longer than did the Dems. Otherwise, the split between the two is about what you’d think.

In any case, I wouldn’t be crowing much about that poll if I were a GOPer, given how individual issues actually went for the President.

bookman parrot

February 13th, 2013
2:15 pm

to stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
2:09 pm

if I understand what you are saying …. that since it has been terrible for ages,… we shouldn’t worry about it and just let go on continuously

i’m betting that you have declared bankruptcy atleast once… based on your head in the sand post

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
2:16 pm

I. Finger — “Wow Jay you pounced on this like a cougar on a jack rabbit. We gotta stop anyone from talking about Rubio being Hispanic and how he can relate to them and their needs….”

Just FYI, Rubio is the wrong Republican Hispanic to be rolling out for that purpose. There are a number of different reasons for it, but probably the easiest to understand is that Cuban-Americans (like Rubio) get special treatment when immigrating to the US. Under the government’s wet foot/dry foot policy, if a Cuban can get his foot on dry American soil, he or she can stay here legally. No other Hispanic population in the Spanish-speaking world gets that advantage, and frankly, some Hispanics are going to start out with some degree of mistrust for Rubio (even though his family came here through a different program). I’m not criticizing Rubio for this, you understand — simply pointing out that many Hispanics are going to be at least a little suspicious of him from the outset.

How do I know this? My Hispanic wife. If you have Hispanic friends or associates (maybe some members at your church?) ask them about it.

FWIW, I think the GOP would do better with someone like NM Governor Susana Martinez, who’s not only female and Hispanic (Mexican heritage, IIRC), but also has a lot of traditional Republican positions.

комиссар (Occupation)

February 13th, 2013
2:17 pm

Rubes gonna yawp.

Jefferson

February 13th, 2013
2:18 pm

I just saw a sign waver at the Liberty Tax outlet, dude is stoked about $9/hr…

JohnnyReb

February 13th, 2013
2:18 pm

Jefferson – yep, mad as hell. I grew up on cotton mill village. My wife is bluecollar also. We have worked our butt off to get ahead. We are in the 1% as far as income, but not wealthy with assests. No one gave us anything. Most here want the government to strip hardworking people like us of our money to give to worthless, won’t work, morally and without character people who can’t find their ass with a flashlight. Does that get the message across?

Seriously Folks

February 13th, 2013
2:19 pm

Jay. I stand corrected. Thank you. The point of my post was sarcastic (wish there was a “sarcastic font” on the keyboard) showing how ridiculous people take the immigration debate to paranoid levels.

Personally, I have no qualms with Sen. Rubio’s success, and applaud it. I find it irksome for him, and his colleagues/supporters, to be against the very opportunities that propelled them forward.

Sadly, in today’s political environment, I fear Sen. Rubio’s parents, having been here for 20 years without being citizens, would be summarily sent back to Cuba to “re-apply”….

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
2:20 pm

that since it has been terrible for ages,… we shouldn’t worry about it and just let go on continuously

dude. We zeroed it out exactly once in our history. In 1835. We are not going to do that again.

And it would be incredibly irresponsible/foolish/stupid-stupid-stupid to suddenly cut back our spending and try to dramatically reduce our budget deficit this year or next or the one after that.

As it is, with a recovering economy, more people getting to work and contributing (it’s slow, it’s too damn slow, but that’s a separate issue) the deficit is shrinking. It will continue to shrink. We do not need to worry about it. We are not experiencing inflation worth a lick. We are not having difficulty attracting people to lend us goo gobs of money. It would be irresponsible not to build stuff we need and put people to work who want to, desperately.

I don’t know how much more simply or directly I can put this. But I’ll keep trying.

DownInAlbany

February 13th, 2013
2:20 pm

The world as Marco Rubio prefers to see it

OR…

The world according to our current President…

(CNSNews.com) – Since taking office in 2009, food stamp rolls under President Barack Obama have risen to more than 47 million people in America, exceeding the population of Spain. When Obama entered office in January 2009 there were 31,939,110 Americans receiving food stamps. As of November 2012—the most recent data available—there were 47,692,896 Americans enrolled, an increase of 49.3 percent.

•Government funded “manufacturing hubs” – an experiment in pure corporatism;
•Investment in green energy, which worked so wonderfully for Solyndra;
•Regulations on carbon emissions, a guaranteed way to destroy manufacturing capacity in the country;
•Fixing roads and bridges (although Americans though we were supposed to do that with the $800 billion stimulus program in 2009);
•New mortgage regulations that will allow “families with solid credit” to buy homes – even though the last time we heard this rhetoric, it led to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac going bankrupt;
•More preschool programs, like failing Head Start;
•More spending on education, but no consequences for corrupt teachers unions;

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
2:20 pm

The current Republican party is very dog eat dog. It almost seems as if they put people up to do the rebuttals so they can have a reason not to like them anymore.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
2:20 pm

J. Reb — “Joe Mama – you, like your Moonbat friends here have a tell when reasonable debate elludes.”

Yeah, “reasonable debate.” Uh huh. So *that’s* why you came in here a few minutes ago, screaming your damfool head off about “Feminazis.” If that’s your conception of “reasonable debate,” then you need to get a tuition refund from whatever school you attended, son.

If you had the capability for rational debate, you’d demonstrate it by picking up a discussion, talking the point over politely and making your arguments without name-calling. However, as I’ve never seen you actually *accomplish* that feat, I can only conjecture that you’re simply not capable of it.

That said, you’re certainly welcome to prove me wrong. But given your temper, I don’t think you ever will.

Jefferson

February 13th, 2013
2:21 pm

Reb, pat yourself on the back, nobody gave me anything either but I’m not mad about it. Congrads on you self reliance.

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
2:21 pm

I think the GOP would do better with someone like NM Governor Susana Martinez, who’s not only female and Hispanic (Mexican heritage, IIRC), but also has a lot of traditional Republican positions.

don’t claim to know much about american hispanic identity politics, but I’ve often echoed that sentiment. On paper, she seems like an ideal candidate, and I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see her in the mix in 2016.

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
2:21 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

I. Finger — “Wow Jay you pounced on this like a cougar on a jack rabbit. We gotta stop anyone from talking about Rubio being Hispanic and how he can relate to them and their needs….”

Just FYI, Rubio is the wrong Republican Hispanic to be rolling out for that purpose. There are a number of different reasons for it, but probably the easiest to understand is that Cuban-Americans (like Rubio) get special treatment when immigrating to the US. Under the government’s wet foot/dry foot policy, if a Cuban can get his foot on dry American soil, he or she can stay here legally. No other Hispanic population in the Spanish-speaking world gets that advantage, and frankly, some Hispanics are going to start out with some degree of mistrust for Rubio (even though his family came here through a different program). I’m not criticizing Rubio for this, you understand — simply pointing out that many Hispanics are going to be at least a little suspicious of him from the outset.

How do I know this? My Hispanic wife. If you have Hispanic friends or associates (maybe some members at your church?) ask them about it.

FWIW, I think the GOP would do better with someone like NM Governor Susana Martinez, who’s not only female and Hispanic (Mexican heritage, IIRC), but also has a lot of traditional Republican positions.

That’s your prerogative… Dems are certainly afraid of him or he wouldn’t be getting attacked so much today….

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
2:22 pm

J. Reb — “I just don’t like arrogance, especially that vomited by Joe Mama.”

You seem to like it *just fine* when it comes from you.

Sauce for the goose is sauce for the rebel gander, son. Reap what you sow.

Jm

February 13th, 2013
2:23 pm

Government can help support prosperity

When it makes up around 15% of GDP

Not when it makes up 50% of GDP

Then it becomes a hindrance

That is why our economy still blows

JohnnyReb

February 13th, 2013
2:24 pm

Jefferson – I’m not mad about having. I’m mad because Obama and his supporters want to take what I make.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 13th, 2013
2:25 pm

THE WORLD AS LIBERALS SEE IT

1) THERE IS A PROBLEM
2) THE SOLUTION IS GOVERNMENT
3) THE PROBLEM GETS WORSE
4) THE SOLUTION IS MORE GOVERNMENT
5) THE SOLUTION GETS EVEN MORE WORSE
6) COMPLETE GOVERNMENT CONTROL
7) SOLUTION NOT SOLVED BUT NOW VOTERS ARE BEHOLDEN TO GOVERNMENT…… ENSURING A STAY OF POWER

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
2:26 pm

JohnnyReb – getalife – I’m not crying, my eyes and mind are clear. I just don’t like arrogance, especially that vomited by Joe Mama.

It’s been my experience that with Joe…you get back what you give…I appreciate him for that among a few other things

JohnnyReb

February 13th, 2013
2:26 pm

Joe Mama – I’m not your son. Another display of your arrogance.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
2:28 pm

I. Finger — “That’s your prerogative… Dems are certainly afraid of him or he wouldn’t be getting attacked so much today….”

Just FYI, the Republican I was most ‘afraid’ of didn’t even get close to winning in the GOP primaries last year — but that doesn’t mean that I gave up the right to criticize the other candidates.

There’s nothing *wrong* with Rubio, but there *is* something about him that won’t sit right with the very population the GOP is trying to attract (Hispanics). If the GOP keeps trotting him out like that, eventually Rubio is going to have to address that issue or else be seen as damaged goods by Hispanics IMO. So why not start out with someone who *doesn’t* have that problem — like Martinez? You can always add Rubio into the mix later.

It just seems to me that the GOP is hamstringing itself by making Rubio their go-to Hispanic member this early on.

Scooter

February 13th, 2013
2:28 pm

Jay, Marco credited many of those programs for aiding his success and I think it was to highlight the fact they need to be reformed if we are to preserve them for the future. To that end, wouldn’t it be great if Republicrats had legislative partners to offer reform ideas?

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 13th, 2013
2:29 pm

THE DELUSIONAL LIBERAL DOESNT BELIEVE WE ARE ON A PATH OF FISCAL DANGER………. SO MUCH SO THEY BELIEVE THE LIES THEY TELL

Over the past few years, Democrats have clung to the idea that Social Security is a self-financing program that needs only tweaks to be fixed and, moreover, has not contributed at all to America’s current debt and deficit problem. During Congressional Budget Office Director Doug Elmendorf’s testimony to the Senate Budget Committee today, Democrat Jeff Merkley of Oregon prodded on this point.
“Is it fair to say,” Sen. Merkley said, “that Social Security does not contribute to the national debt?”

“I don’t think that’s right, Senator,” Elmendorf responded, before explaining the fiction of the accounting of the Social Security trust fund.

“The program is actually a drain on the budget today,” Elmendorf said. Social Security does collect money from interest payments made to the Social Security trust fund, but “even taking the interest on board, in 2017, the combined trust funds will be running a deficit even including the interest

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/kevinglass/2013/02/12/real-talk-cbo-director-tells-democrats-social-security-is-a-deficit-problem-n1510893

mm

February 13th, 2013
2:32 pm

You righties seem to have gone over the cliff today. You seem to have hit every major RW BS talking point.

“Most here want the government to strip hardworking people like us of our money to give to worthless, won’t work, morally and without character people who can’t find their ass with a flashlight. Does that get the message across?”

Keep it up. That message worked so well for you in 2012.

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
2:33 pm

It just seems to me that the GOP is hamstringing itself by making Rubio their go-to Hispanic member this early on

I’m surprised they don’t promote Luis Fortuno..

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
2:34 pm

J. Reb — “Joe Mama – I’m not your son. Another display of your arrogance.”

And my wife’s a feminist, but not a n@zi. Just another display of *yours.* :roll:

Here we go again

February 13th, 2013
2:36 pm

Uncle Samantha you are just sooooooo cute making your little arguments and even citing your sources!!

A+

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
2:39 pm

E. Cat — “I’m surprised they don’t promote Luis Fortuno..”

You know, I hadn’t thought of that. I bet that Fortuno could peel off support from conservative Puertoriqueno voters in places like NY and NJ. That could make a big change in the 2016 or 2020 race, if he were to get involved.

Now I have to read up on Fortuno. Thanks for the homework assignment. :)

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

February 13th, 2013
2:41 pm

“Welfare vs. Fare Well”

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
2:42 pm

JHM – Now I have to read up on Fortuno. Thanks for the homework assignment.

I wanted him to be Mitt’s pick for VP…..but then again Mitt would’ve been accused of out-sourcing the position :D

Jay

February 13th, 2013
2:42 pm

Itchy Finger, your name is well chosen.

I try to defend Rubio and set the record straight on his behalf, and you jump on it and twist it into something conspiratorial on my part. You clearly practice the “Ready, fire, aim” approach to blogging.

moonbat betty

February 13th, 2013
2:42 pm

“Rubes gonna yawp.”

Says the sweaty toothed madman.

~Dead Poets Society

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
2:43 pm

Joe RE: Other hispanics not liking Cubans ……………..totally correct.

RE: The lady from N.M. – WRONG choice! She doesn’t support the Lillie Ledbetter Act — doesn’t think women need to make as much as men for the same exact job. I wonder what HER pay is?

alittlecommonsense

February 13th, 2013
2:44 pm

Jay posted a chart about spending this morning. His point was that spending was just as bad with Republicans in charge as when Democtats were in charge.

He posts these charts this afternoon and totally misses the irony. None of these charted issues that Democrats complain about are any better when Dem’s are in charge.

Thanks – I will be here pointing out the obvious all week.

JohnnyReb

February 13th, 2013
2:46 pm

I see everyone, including Jay just blew past my question on why the AJC did not polifact check Obama’s statements on the benefit of pre-K.

This may seem like nothing, just the ramblings of an old, racist, homophobe, bigot white guy. But no, it’s the point, a very big one.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
2:46 pm

D. DoRight — “RE: The lady from N.M. – WRONG choice! She doesn’t support the Lillie Ledbetter Act — doesn’t think women need to make as much as men for the same exact job. I wonder what HER pay is?”

FWIW, I wasn’t thinking of her in terms of her support for Democratic policies, but rather in terms of her support for Republican policies and how likely she might be in attracting Hispanic voters to the GOP.

She’s pro-life and against SSM, so I couldn’t see myself supporting her. But she could make a dent in the Democratic share of the Hispanic vote, don’t you think?

StopTheMadness

February 13th, 2013
2:47 pm

“Medicare is not a failure; Social Security is not a failure; the GI Bill was not a failure; Head Start is not a failure; unemployment insurance is not a failure. The student loan and Pell Grant programs are not failures. Neither is Medicaid, which among other things insures two-thirds of Americans receiving long-term nursing home care in this country.”

The USPS, Amtrak, Federally-run government education and recent Obama initiated “investments” in the automotive (can you say “Volt”?) and “green” energy sectors are indeed failures – if for no other reason than that they are running in the red, something we simply cannot afford at this point. And both Social Security and Medicare will also become failures unless something radical is done to obviate their pending insolvency.

Sadly, all we here from liberals in power on the Hill is talk. But, as CBO head Elmendorf indicated yesterday in Congressional testimony, we cannot evaluate or “score” the fiscal wisdom or folly or Democratic “proposals” because NOTHING has been set to paper (unlike the Bills the House has passed the last two years). Put up or shut up, liberals!

Steve

February 13th, 2013
2:48 pm

Makes me very happy to see conservatives unraveling, as they realize that this Rubio is just as bad a choice as Romney was. At least they are figuring that out now, and not after he wins the republican primary and goes against Hillary.

tm

February 13th, 2013
2:49 pm

this from the guy who supports a that black skinny president who wants to raise the wages of part time hamburger fippers to $10 an hour. I sure that will help the unemployment rate for the younger workers.

TBS

February 13th, 2013
2:50 pm

moonbat

How about the Black Label Society?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZsD-foNDe0

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
2:51 pm

SOLUTION NOT SOLVED BUT NOW VOTERS ARE BEHOLDEN TO GOVERNMENT…… ENSURING A STAY OF POWER

Quick question — if you repubs hate government so much, then why do you stay here under this system of government? Why not find a system of government that you like more and move there? This is the SAME government, (with a few more wrinkles); that’s been around for 200+ years — its not changing any time soon. Why not just leave?

Its not like this is East Germany and the government has guards and barbed wire towers forcing you to stay — the door is always open for you to go any time you wish.

Especially you Reb. You’re mad about taxes that help fund the military et al.; AND you say you have the money (a 1%er) to go, then why stay? Why not move to a place where you won’t have to pay taxes? You could go somewhere like Somalia — no taxes, and no viable government.

You can call it Rebels Paradise. It sounds perfect for you!

:roll:

JohnnyReb

February 13th, 2013
2:51 pm

Steve – just where are the Conservatives running away from Rubio you reference? All I have read/heard today about him from Conservative sources has been very positive.

I suggest you learn to like Rubio. Short of pictures of him with little boys, he most likely will be the next POTUS.

Dreams of Hillary being back at 1600 are just that, dreams.

moonbat betty

February 13th, 2013
2:51 pm

“I see everyone, including Jay just blew past my question on why the AJC did not polifact check Obama’s statements on the benefit of pre-K”.

JohnnyReb,

They don’t care what is in the words, as long as the words are said eloquently.

You see, it’s all about fluff, not about substance.

That is what makes a good lib pied piper.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 13th, 2013
2:51 pm

Itchy finger = ready, fire, aim?

Shoot, and I thought he was telling us he had a rash on his finger from scratching himself…silly me… :D

Cosby

February 13th, 2013
2:52 pm

Listen to the King –
1 – $2.5 Trillion Deficit Reduction – only an ESTIMATE through fiscal year 2022 – it would be lower if he chose a different starting poi9nt
2 – Manufacturing jobs – $500,000 increase over 3 years – but there have been a net loss of $600,000 manufacturing jobs since he took office
3 – Obama Care slowing Health Care cost – Slow groth in Health care began before he took office and is due, at least in part, by the down economy – people loosing jobs & health insurancev and choosing not to go to the doctor
4 – Doubled the gas milage – only if one uses the wish of miles per gallon for model year 2025 – if the auto industry can deliver – so a myth at present
5 – Romnye and minimum wag – romney did say but then retracted . so no go there

Yep, I listened to the King and found, well lies!!!

moonbat betty

February 13th, 2013
2:54 pm

“Quick question — if you repubs hate government so much, then why do you stay here under this system of government? Why not find a system of government that you like more and move there? This is the SAME government, (with a few more wrinkles); that’s been around for 200+ years — its not changing any time soon. Why not just leave? ”

Why do libs want to emulate Europe?

We don’t want to become Europe.

You can go anytime you want.

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
2:56 pm

You could go somewhere like Somalia — no taxes,

or the Cayman Islands, Bermuda, or the Bahamas…..several middle eastern countries too..UAE and Saudi come to mind

Jackie

February 13th, 2013
2:56 pm

JohnnyReb

February 13th, 2013
2:56 pm

moonbat betty – either I dreamed or read it, I think I read it, in the AJC article earlier this week on Obama’s visit tomorrow to a pre-K in Dekalb where it stated no marked improvement in educational results of those attending pre-K.

Obama even got luke warm applause when making the statements last evening.

If the AJC had any credibility, they would have chosen to fact check the statement today, but no, they can’t challenge Obama.

If there was another paper choice, I would take it. My boss won’t let me drop the AJC due to the Sunday coupons.

StopTheMadness

February 13th, 2013
2:57 pm

“You do know that the debt, the overall DEBT, hasn’t shrunk in ages, that it is not going to be “paid down” by even a dime under even the rosiest fiscal scenarios like, ever, yes?”

You do know there are many ways to educate yourself and avoid uttering astoundingly idiotic statements like this, don’t you? But, before you go get a GED, why don’t you take a look at this source of information?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt

Steve

February 13th, 2013
2:59 pm

“Steve – just where are the Conservatives running away from Rubio (Romney) you reference? All I have read/heard today about him from Conservative sources has been very positive.

I suggest you learn to like Rubio (Romney). Short of pictures of him with little boys, he most likely will be the next POTUS….”

Oh how gullible you cons are. And not very bright.

Steve

February 13th, 2013
2:59 pm

“Steve – just where are the Conservatives running away from Rubio (Romney) you reference? All I have read/heard today about him from Conservative sources has been very positive.

I suggest you learn to like Rubio (Romney). Short of pictures of him with little boys, he most likely will be the next POTUS….”

Oh how gullible you cons are. And not very bright.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
2:59 pm

She’s pro-life and against SSM, so I couldn’t see myself supporting her. But she could make a dent in the Democratic share of the Hispanic vote, don’t you think?

Maybe. I can’t say for sure though. I’d have to get a better look at her; if she’s just another fluffy, giggly, ignoramus like Palin then I’d say NO! However, if she has a bit of brains, then maybe.

It depends on not so much what she’s saying NOW; but (if she runs), what she’s said and done in the past few years.

People running for office say all kinds of things to get elected — but her record will be scrutinized outside of NM if she ever decided to run for POTUS; harder to hide from your deeds then.

Ask Mitt! :)

JohnnyReb

February 13th, 2013
3:00 pm

Jackie – you’re the same person who the other day defended out of wedlock mothers on the grounds the government did not give them birth control. And we are suppose to take you seriously on pre-K?

Jackie

February 13th, 2013
3:00 pm

Why don’t the so-called conservatives renounce their citizenship and refuse to pay any taxes?

If the answer to that question is yes, then you can be on a pay-as-you-go system for everything that the government does, namely, roads, schools, water, sewer, food, electricity.

Steve

February 13th, 2013
3:03 pm

Ask someone in Finland or Canada how their horrible balance of socialism and capitalism is making their lives so awful. I dare you.

JohnnyReb

February 13th, 2013
3:03 pm

Jackie – those roads, schools, water, sewer, etc you reference are paid for by taxpayers, which is no where near the entire populous who uses them. Plus, everyone has access to their use. It’s part of the level playing field and benefits no one more than another.

So take that Elizabeth Warren/Barrack Obama talking point and put it back in the looney bin where it belongs.

Jackie

February 13th, 2013
3:03 pm

@JohnnyReb

I never said anything like that, even though I think everyone that wants birth control should have it.

Now, stop your bloviating and read the article that disproves your contentions.

Jackie

February 13th, 2013
3:05 pm

@JohnnyReb

Those infrastructure items were put in place by the taxpayers, regardless of the usage capacity.

Are you still planning to renounce your citizenship because you think your taxes are too high?

moonbat betty

February 13th, 2013
3:06 pm

JohnnyReb

February 13th, 2013
3:06 pm

Jackie – read the AJC article on pre-K. It’s my point, not some liberal blog post you reference.

Universal pre-K would be another giant entitlement program. It has no chance and Obama knows it. He is really good at spooling up his followers with pie in the sky, never happen, BS.

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
3:06 pm

before you go get a GED, why don’t you take a look at this source of information?

I did. (I’m well aware of the history.) Here’s the money chart:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USDebt.png

Where does it show the overall debt being paid down in any significant fashion? You had some explosive post-war growth that resulted in a little bit of a dent, but it’s been flat at best most of the time.

Why do you think it is sensible to imagine that we’re going to be paying that down any time soon?

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
3:07 pm

Hiya Moonie!! Say, what “lib” wants to emulate Europe? I’m sure you have something laying around somewhere to back up that claim right?

Or were just blowing smoke up your ummm…………..skirt. Yeah, that’s right…..your skirt………!!!
===========

or the Cayman Islands, Bermuda, or the Bahamas…..several middle eastern countries too..UAE and Saudi come to mind

Reb probably wouldn’t like those places too much. Cayman islands and Bermuda/Bahamas have viable governments that are run by “those people”. He’d be a minority. Same as here. Somalia he’d be a minority, but without a viable government. Better for him. He can get his John Galt fantasy on.

Saudi & a few more Arab countries don’t allow you to drink or have weapons. How can he be a “reb” without hard liquor, manly guns and a beer belly?

On the up side though, he can totally become the “HNIC”. Arab countries don’t allow women much latitude.

StopTheMadness

February 13th, 2013
3:08 pm

“Ben, before you lecture others about deficient logic, I would suggest that you google “correlation is not causation.”

Yeah…too bad liberals like yourself want to hypocritically pretend that aphorism does not apply to global warming:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/09/20/sorry-but-with-global-warming-its-the-sun-stupid/

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/02/01/report-show-un-admitting-solar-activity-may-play-significant-role-in-global/

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
3:10 pm

Steve – I don’t think Canada and Finland are not comparable to even each other..I spend a good bit of time in Denmark…and it’s highly socialistic and hardly balanced…some like it, some don’t…tax rates are @ 50% when it’s all added up…heck kids are paid to go to school…and nobody has a sense of urgency on anything

Steve

February 13th, 2013
3:11 pm

Wow – so much for a level playing field for our children, eh compassionate conservatives via Obama’s proposal? Why are you people so ridiculously backwards and wrong on so many issues?

alittlecommonsense

February 13th, 2013
3:11 pm

Re Cubans vs other hispanics, it is also worth noting that Cubans are the most educated and economically successful subgroup of hispanics. Oh, and they tend to vote Republican. Maybe there is some connection there…..

http://www.cdc.gov/healthycommunitiesprogram/tools/pdf/hispanic_latinos_insight.pdf
See page 12 & 14.

Jackie

February 13th, 2013
3:12 pm

@JohnnyReb

It seems to me that if someone wants to explore the facts and come to a conclusion that is more true than not, they should research using more than one source, don’t you think?

Here are other sources for you to ignore.

http://www.pewstates.org/projects/pre-k-now-328067
http://www.tn.gov/education/prek/invest.shtml

Steve

February 13th, 2013
3:12 pm

Erwin that makes no sense. Why do we want to live in a society of stress and “urgency”? Because that’s all we know?
Folks in Canada don’t have to worry about going bankrupt if they get cancer, hence they pay higher taxes. In some of these countries, day care and all of their schooling is paid for. Hence, the higher taxes. Here? Only people born into the right kind of money have real chances of success.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
3:15 pm

either I dreamed or read it,

It was all a dream – Biggie “Thomas J” Smalls
=================

stands: Why do you think it is sensible to imagine that we’re going to be paying that down any time soon?

Cause LimpBalls told them so. Duh!

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
3:15 pm

what “lib” wants to emulate Europe?

Well, Bernie, I think it’d be fair to say.

JohnnyReb

February 13th, 2013
3:16 pm

Jackie – even if pre-K did/does show success, I don’t want to pay for baby sitting. Let parents pay for pre-K just like they would pay for a baby sitter.

There has to be some point of personal responsibility. Pre-K is welfare, face it.

TaxPayer

February 13th, 2013
3:16 pm

Republicans don’t do math or science and there is no stopping that madness.

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
3:16 pm

Steve – Only people born into the right kind of money have real chances of success.

BS…a self-defeatist attitude doesn’t help

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
3:17 pm

alittlebitofcommonsense — “Re Cubans vs other hispanics, it is also worth noting that Cubans are the most educated and economically successful subgroup of hispanics. Oh, and they tend to vote Republican. Maybe there is some connection there…..”

I’d venture that the connection’s got more to do with the wet foot – dry foot immigration policy Cubans enjoy.

If that policy was extended to other Hispanic populations as well, you might see more of those folks voting for Republicans instead of Democrats.

Might be something to think about; crap on Hispanics and they don’t vote for you — treat them with a modicum of dignity and more of them see things your way . . .

Tom Middleton

February 13th, 2013
3:18 pm

Jay, I think the American people are much smarter than we were pre-election 2012. I mean, the Republican win-by-lying approach stopped working somewhere along the trail, and it may not ever work again, no matter who does their talking.

Add to this that between the extremes of the liberals’ “government is always the solution” and the conservatives’ “government is always the problem” is the “government has a viable role to play” and President Obama is nailing it perfectly, well, you get the picture.

We now know that we ARE the government and alone decide what we want it to do, and it should be obvious to both extremes that old tricks won’t work anymore.

In other words, we’re tired of all the crap, and I think the liberals understand. But when it comes to the other side, can they even learn? And if they can, when will they stand someone up who makes sense?

Ivan

February 13th, 2013
3:18 pm

So about those fact checks from the speech…….

*crickets*

Jackie

February 13th, 2013
3:19 pm

Someone asked why didn’t Sen. Rubio(R-FL) run for President last year.

Here are some public issues that kept him out of the race.
http://www.tn.gov/education/prek/invest.shtml
http://www.tn.gov/education/prek/invest.shtml

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
3:19 pm

E. Cat — “BS…a self-defeatist attitude doesn’t help”

Indeed. I come from pure Appalachian hillbilly stock, and that didn’t stop my dad from pursuing and getting a doctorate.

First man in his family to get a job that didn’t involve farming or mining, and he’s a college professor.

StopTheMadness

February 13th, 2013
3:20 pm

“Where does it show the overall debt being paid down in any significant fashion? You had some explosive post-war growth that resulted in a little bit of a dent, but it’s been flat at best most of the time…Why do you think it is sensible to imagine that we’re going to be paying that down any time soon?”

In 1910 the national debt was only 8% of the GDP. So, in the 20th century, debt greatly increased as a result of our involvement in 2 World Wars, the Vietnam War and the social programs introduced by FDR and LBJ. It certainly is not feasible to pay down much of our huge debt with a recessionary economy. But we will never be able to even attempt paying down this debt unless we, among other things, seriously reevaluate our spending.

getalife

February 13th, 2013
3:20 pm

reb is a crybaby but that is all the cons are doing these days.

Good blogging times.

JohnnyReb

February 13th, 2013
3:20 pm

Yep, the AJC does not have the gonads to fact check an Obama lie just before his visit. I guess they have abandoned trying to be more balanced, at least when Obama is coming to town.

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
3:20 pm

TP – Republicans don’t do math or science and there is no stopping that madness.

Seriously, don’t you ever get tired of repeating the same myopic rhetoric day after day after day….

Jackie

February 13th, 2013
3:20 pm

@JohnnyReb

You have more fun than you know what to do with!

JohnnyReb

February 13th, 2013
3:21 pm

I see getalife has reached a point of no legitimate rebuttal.

moonbat betty

February 13th, 2013
3:22 pm

what “lib” wants to emulate Europe?

Steve say, WHAT!?

h/t Kam

Fred ™

February 13th, 2013
3:24 pm

Erwin’s cat

February 13th, 2013
3:16 pm

Steve – Only people born into the right kind of money have real chances of success.

BS…a self-defeatist attitude doesn’t help
+++++++++++++++++++++

Wow really? A 5 year old with a self defeatist attitude? You are probably right. The little bastich ought to go get a job at 5 and pay for his own Pre-K. Damn kids these days expect everything…………

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

February 13th, 2013
3:24 pm

“You clearly practice the “Ready, fire, aim” approach to blogging.”

Jay:

With all of the gun (actually people) violence lately, that was an insensitive statement on your part.

Why would you use such graphic language ?

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 13th, 2013
3:24 pm

LIBERALS ARE SCARED

THE EMERGENCE OF WOMEN/MINORITIES IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAVE THE HUGGIES STRAINING ON THE LEFT

DR. BEN CARSON
SEN. MARCO RUBIO
GOV BOBBY JINDAL
GOV SUSANA MARTINEZ
GOV NIKKI HALEY

getalife

February 13th, 2013
3:24 pm

reb,

I can’t fix stupid or ignoring facts.

You will have to work on that.

Good luck.

ODD OWL

February 13th, 2013
3:24 pm

Marco Rubio is delusional and intellectually dishonest… Rubio live in a romanticized world, where up is down, down is up, rich is poor and poor is rich… Republicans like Marco Rubio and Rand Paul prop up a thin veil and pretend like the American people can’t see through it… We the People can see everything… We see that Rubio and Paul are Congressmen but they’re not financially well off… Neither one of them have pull themselves up by their bootstraps… If both of them losted their seats in Congress, they would find themselves in the same financial predicament as former Republican Rep. Joe Walsh of Illinois, who is flat broke and can’t afford to make his Child support payments… Joe Walsh’s Children must depend on America’s social safety net programs like welfare, medicaid, food stamps and other Government provided social pragrams for their survival… Republican rookies like Marco Rubio, Rand Paul and other inexperienced, Congressional back benchers live in a world of hypothetical, hypocritical Romanticism… The Republican ideology spell doom for America…

TBS

February 13th, 2013
3:25 pm

alittlecommonsense

Which way are the younger Cubans trending in their voting patterns?

TaxPayer

February 13th, 2013
3:25 pm

Seriously, don’t you ever get tired of repeating the same myopic rhetoric day after day after day….

Says the cat in the hat, er, um box. Seriously, is that the best you got. I suspect yes given that you are a Republican.

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
3:25 pm

There has to be some point of personal responsibility. Pre-K is welfare, face it.

And welfare is baaad. because… hey, help me out here, DDR…

Cause LimpBalls told them so. Duh!

yeah, that must be it.

So let’s dump more of that “baby sitting.” No government education until they’re, what, ten? twelve?

JohnnyReb

February 13th, 2013
3:25 pm

No Fred, the parents of the little 5 year old should pay for his pre-K. When they decided to procreate it did not include my agreement to help them pay for their offspring.

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
3:27 pm

Its sad Jay even you can’t get your buffoons to join in with the attack. I guess obama’s speech was so miserable to them last night that they don’t feel like talking today…

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
3:27 pm

U. Samantha — “THE EMERGENCE OF WOMEN/MINORITIES IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAVE THE HUGGIES STRAINING ON THE LEFT”

IF YOU CAN STILL COUNT ALL OF YOURS ON ONE HAND, THAT’S NOT VERY SCARY

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
3:29 pm

Doggone/GA

February 13th, 2013
3:29 pm

“the liberals’ “government is always the solution”

When you have to lie to make your “point”…you have NO POINT

JohnnyReb

February 13th, 2013
3:29 pm

No Stands, first grade at the governement school at 6 years old worked just fine and there is no evidence that more than that makes a difference. Some say it does, but if that’s so, why all the talk of reeducation, trade schools, etc.

Truth is, Progressives pushing government school before 6 years old is to compensate for no parental responsibility.

Fred ™

February 13th, 2013
3:31 pm

No Fred, the parents of the little 5 year old should pay for his pre-K. When they decided to procreate it did not include my agreement to help them pay for their offspring.

The parents are dead beat losers. So what should we do with the kid? Educate him to be a productive member of society? Oh hell no, let’s not do that. Shame you couldn’t just take your assault rifle and shoot the little welfare rat eh………

getalife

February 13th, 2013
3:31 pm

It is your failed ideology that keeps you being self defeatists.

Your media are not credible yet you continue to swallow every lie.

You do not have any leaders, you are stuck in the wilderness flailing like lost children.

You are marginalized divided and conquered.

You are the minority for a very long time.

Self reflect on that.

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
3:32 pm

Fred – I see you are continuing the debate with the voices in your head
Where did I mention Pre-K or a 5 yr old?…This is the greatest country in the world…you can be whatever you want to be if you’re willing to work for it and dedicate yourself

Fred ™

February 13th, 2013
3:33 pm

Truth is, Progressives pushing government school before 6 years old is to compensate for no parental responsibility.

I trust you have some facts other than Rush and Fox told you to back up that little gem there? Because the studies I’ve seen show differently than your wild claim……… here let me TRY to educate you……..

http://tinyurl.com/b635w7r

JohnnyReb

February 13th, 2013
3:34 pm

Now Fred, let’s not go overboard. The problem is not the children. It’s too many of those dead beat losers you reference where the Left wants to just fix their screwups without fixing them. The Left’s answer for the dead beats is to give them something else instead of taking the children and letting the dead beat starve to death.

getalife

February 13th, 2013
3:35 pm

“you can be whatever you want to be if you’re willing to work for it and dedicate yourself”

That is the goal.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
3:35 pm

stands — Are you talking about Bernie Madoff? If so, you hit hat one dead on!! :)

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Mr. Rebel — Here’s some fact check on Obama’s speech that came from, gasp!, the front page of the AJC!!!! (grab the pearls and where IS the fainting couch?!?)

http://www.politifact.com/georgia/

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
3:35 pm

No Stands, first grade at the governement school at 6 years old worked just fine and there is no evidence that more than that makes a difference.

GOP, THIS^^ is the guy you need to run out there in 2016. No more socialist Kindygarten!

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
3:36 pm

DDR – You could go somewhere like Somalia — no taxes

I just realized…that’s a pretty rich statement coming from an expat whose first $90k/yr brought back to the US is tax free

mm

February 13th, 2013
3:36 pm

“But we will never be able to even attempt paying down this debt unless we, among other things, seriously reevaluate our spending.”

We already have, so why do you cons keep spewing that garbage?

From CNN Money:

Where does the $2.5 trillion come from? Several sources: savings from the 2011 Budget Control Act, lower spending levels enacted in temporary government funding resolutions since 2010, and the fiscal cliff deal passed at the start of this year.

In fact, the latest savings estimate is actually closer to $2.7 trillion, according to Marc Goldwein, CRFB’s senior policy director.

Of that amount, $1.57 trillion comes from spending cuts, $690 billion from increased tax revenue and $430 billion from interest savings.

Righties hate facts, math, and science.

moonbat betty

February 13th, 2013
3:36 pm

“you can be whatever you want to be if you’re willing to work for it and dedicate yourself”

Just be sure you go into rhythmic gymnastics instead of wrestling.

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
3:36 pm

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
3:38 pm

stands — Are you talking about Bernie Madoff? If so, you hit hat one dead on!!

heh. Sorry, I did not properly identify the gentleman in question. Here’s a direct link.

JohnnyReb

February 13th, 2013
3:38 pm

Debbie – your reference is my point. The AJC does not have the fortitude to fact check Obama lies, of which his claims to pre-K success being one. ALl the spending he proposes without raising the deficit another, and I could go on. They only fact check what make little Barry look good or not very bad. They always skip the pants on fire.

getalife

February 13th, 2013
3:39 pm

The American dream, “you can be whatever you want to be if you’re willing to work for it and dedicate yourself” took a hit after the w disaster but our President is working to restore the American dream.

This should be a bipartisan effort but the gop ideology stands in the way.

Get the gop out of the way of free enterprise for jobs.

It is not complicated.

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
3:40 pm

mm – you forgot this part of the article

“the vast majority of the deficit reduction has yet to materialize. Congress is supposed to comply with the caps on discretionary spending imposed by the Budget Control Act in future appropriations bills. But whether that happens remains to be seen.”

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
3:41 pm

No Stands, first grade at the governement school at 6 years old worked just fine and there is no evidence that more than that makes a difference, [or any I'd believe anyway or even deign to LOOK at 'cause if i LOOK at it, then I'd have to recognize the truth of it! What's the point in my rant then?]

ODD OWL

February 13th, 2013
3:41 pm

Non rich Republicans are ideologically tone deaf… They don’t have a leg to stand on… The Republican agenda is based on the “ready, fire, aim” formula… When the Republicans begin to spray rhetoric, We the People duck for cover…

moonbat betty

February 13th, 2013
3:42 pm

“ALl the spending he proposes without raising the deficit another, and I could go on.”

But hey, he SOUNDS and LOOKS good saying it!

Fred ™

February 13th, 2013
3:43 pm

The Left’s answer for the dead beats is to give them something else instead of taking the children and letting the dead beat starve to death.

How many of those children have YOU taken? That’s what you mean right? I mean once you take them, where do you put them?

I know it’s a lot for you to understand, but people DO make mistakes. Once a kid has a child their options are somewhat limited. If they don’t have a well off family they have to go to work. They are unsuited to get meaningful jobs so they are stuck in low paying menial labor jobs. I realize that you and Erwins cat would have managed to work 3 or 4 “part time” menail labor jobs at minimum wage , raise a child AND get a PhD so you could increase become rich, but most of us are just mortals, not supermen like you two.

Reality has a way of pissing on trite little phrases like “This is America, you can do anything you set your mind to.” Yeah right, let’s see Stevie Wonder take the wheel……….

Despite what your talk radio Gods would have you believe a small minority of folks actually are “deadbeats.” Most people are hard working folks who started life behind and will NEVER catch up. Some of them truly are dumber than a box of rocks. They work hard, they don’t drink or smoke or chase wild women, but they just aren’t smart. WHen they knocked up little Susie Sally Jane, they didn’t run off, they didn’t push for an evil abortion, they manned up and did the responsible thing. Doesn’t matter, they are screwed. You answer? Kick them in the teeth.

And you wonder WHY we think you are stupid. It’s because of the stupid things you write. I doubt that in real life you would treat a hard working fellow American like that. So why do you talk this trash and support the hate.

It’s time to stop the hate and rhetoric JohnnyReb and act like the man you are, not the programmable Foxbot you come across as on this blog.

mm

February 13th, 2013
3:44 pm

Erwin,

And both parties have a hand in that.

The Dems came up with the tax increases. Now it’s time for the GOP to name the spending cuts. But you know as well as I do, Boehner wants the Dems to name the cuts so the GOP can use that against them in the next election. So, stalemate.

Fred ™

February 13th, 2013
3:46 pm

JohnnyReb

February 13th, 2013
3:38 pm

Debbie – your reference is my point. The AJC does not have the fortitude to fact check Obama lies, of which his claims to pre-K success being one.
++++++++++++++++++++

I provided you links to the contrary of that ridiculous claim. I also asked if you had any proof to back it up. Did you post it and I missed it or do you in fact have ZERO proof like I think?

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
3:46 pm

getalife

February 13th, 2013
3:48 pm

Basically, the gop blew the American dream and our President will restore the American dream.

This President is performing better than President Clinton with no scandals.

I could not be happier with our President.

ev

February 13th, 2013
3:49 pm

Again Jay, do those numbers include benefits?

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
3:50 pm

stands — God is gonna get you for that one!! The fact that you scoffed and actually smiled at what Bernie had to say was about corporate america was…………ummm………bad! Yeah, that’s right bad! B-A-D!!! And you should be ASHAMED of even reading anything bad about C.A.!! C.A. is now a PERSON; so in effect, you have just blasphemed your neighbor! Bad stands! Bad, bad BAD!!! (but i kinda like bad so…… :lol: )
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JR — I’m trying to figure this out from your point of view. Just because the AJC LINKED to the politifact website that double checked PrezBo’s speech, is not relevant because they didn’t do the fact check themselves?

Is that what you’re saying?
=============

Cat – Who’s the ex-pat?

Fred ™

February 13th, 2013
3:51 pm

I could not be happier with our President.

I could. But I could be more dissatisfied as well. I think he’s doing a fine job. Not a great job, but certainly not a terrible job like the assha………….. detractors say.

Steve

February 13th, 2013
3:51 pm

Some of you people must be very miserable human beings.

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
3:52 pm

getalife

Basically, the gop blew the American dream and our President will restore the American dream.

This President is performing better than President Clinton with no scandals.

I could not be happier with our President.

Wow. Just wow….

TaxPayer

February 13th, 2013
3:52 pm

Come now, Fred. One of those other Republican planks, that they so proudly display hanging from their eye sockets, is that there is no salvation from fornication.

Fred ™

February 13th, 2013
3:52 pm

Cat – Who’s the ex-pat?

You are. He says so, so it must be true.

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
3:52 pm

Fred – Yeah right, let’s see Stevie Wonder take the wheel……….

stop limiting yourself Fred….never ever let the situation define you
http://current.com/community/89402333_blind-man-sees-wife-and-kids-for-the-first-time.htm

DownInAlbany

February 13th, 2013
3:53 pm

getalife

February 13th, 2013
3:48 pm

I hate to break it to you, but, you are in the minority…

According to a Gallup poll, 42% of Americans approve of Obama’s gun policies while 54% disapprove.

On taxes, 41% approve and 57% disapprove. On the economy, 39% approve and 60% disapprove. On “the situation in the Middle East between the Israelis and the Palestinians,” 36% approve and 55% disapprove.

And on the federal budget deficit, 31% approve and 65% disapprove.

The only area in which Obama gains the support of a majority is on “national defense” issues, but the poll was conducted before North Korea reportedly tested a nuclear weapon on Monday as Obama seeks to diminish America’s nuclear arsenal.

Gallup conducted its poll from Feb. 7-10.

appleseed

February 13th, 2013
3:53 pm

decided to procreate.Most do not decide just happends.Give them control,wont use it.pre natal then welfare.the only answere is to thin the herd.Thin the herd.

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
3:53 pm

DDR…my bad…I always seem to get you and USinUK mixed up…my apologies…I’ll try hared

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
3:54 pm

hared = harder

JohnnyReb

February 13th, 2013
3:54 pm

This is fun, but at some point work must be done. Bye for now.

getalife

February 13th, 2013
3:55 pm

Fred,

There are no perfect politicians.

Factor in congress and the unhinged behavior of the right that gave him a big pile of stinking crap in your analysis of our President but he is not done yet.

TBS

February 13th, 2013
3:55 pm

“The only area in which Obama gains the support of a majority is on “national defense” issues,”

And at the voting booth, but whose counting the real poll, huh?

getalife

February 13th, 2013
3:57 pm

downer in Albany,

I go by election results not uncredible polls.

Thanks downer.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
3:58 pm

Of Welfare, Love Of Country, And Talking Out The Side Of Their Necks:

Wall Street banks and large companies love America when they need corporate welfare. But when it comes to paying American taxes or American wages, they want nothing to do with this country. That has got to change.

Offshore tax abuse is not just limited to Wall Street. Each and every year corporations and the wealthy are avoiding more than $100 billion in U.S. taxes by sheltering their income offshore.

Pharmaceutical companies like Eli Lilly and Pfizer have fought to make it illegal for the American people to buy cheaper prescription drugs from Canada and Europe. But, during tax season, Eli Lilly and Pfizer shift drug patents and profits to the Netherlands and other offshore tax havens to avoid paying U.S. taxes.

TBS

February 13th, 2013
3:58 pm

DIA

By the way, read your post this morning regarding paying decent wages based on applicable skill sets in efforts to keep good workers.

Hope that is working out for your company. Way to go. Hats off to you.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
3:59 pm

DIA — “Gallup conducted its poll from Feb. 7-10.”

Link, please.

Itchy Finger

February 13th, 2013
3:59 pm

getalife

February 13th, 2013
3:59 pm

Let me be clear, the American people told you cons to shove your failed ideology in the last election.

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
4:01 pm

Let me be clear, the American people told you cons to shove your failed ideology in the last election.

well 53% of them did anyway

getalife

February 13th, 2013
4:02 pm

The banks, corporations and military industrial welfare costs trillions.

We must end this welfare and will end this welfare.

So when you speak about welfare include this fact or zip it.

DownInAlbany

February 13th, 2013
4:03 pm

Rock star and conservative activist Ted Nugent told Breitbart News that he thinks the Republican Party does not fight back against President Barack Obama’s agenda because “they somehow has lost their scrotum.”

“Working hard, playing hard America is literally recoiling in shock and dismay on an hourly basis,” Nugent said. “Where is the GOP? There must be a system by which we can stop this stuff.”

Is this the same guy that was demonized on here yesterday? He what he says gets repeated on here every day. Maybe he’s not such a bad guy, afterall?

getalife

February 13th, 2013
4:03 pm

“well 53% of them did anyway”

The majority rules.

Bow down.

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
4:04 pm

Bow down.

I lol’d

moonbat betty

February 13th, 2013
4:04 pm

“The banks, corporations and military industrial welfare costs trillions.

We must end this welfare and will end this welfare.”

I wish Obama would have said this last night!

moonbat betty

February 13th, 2013
4:05 pm

“Bow down”

I wish Obama said this last night!

Fred ™

February 13th, 2013
4:05 pm

stop limiting yourself Fred….never ever let the situation define you
http://current.com/community/89402333_blind-man-sees-wife-and-kids-for-the-first-time.htm

How many people have been born blind in history? How many have had a “miracle” to restore their sight? There is no way to find accurate figures, but would you concede less than 1/1000th of 1 percent?

Thank you for proving my point. The odds against these people are not that long but still pretty damn long. And you know this, you are just being deliberately obtuse. You really aren’t this stupid, or never have shown yourself to be in the past so I can only conclude deliberately and provokingly obtuse. Play with someone else, I choose not to participate.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
4:06 pm

Republican planks, that they so proudly display hanging from their eye sockets, is that there is no salvation from fornication.

They should know….. :wink:

moonbat betty

February 13th, 2013
4:06 pm

“Let me be clear, the American people told you cons to shove your failed ideology in the last election.”

I think Obama did say this last night…Fact check anyone?

DownInAlbany

February 13th, 2013
4:06 pm

TBS

February 13th, 2013
3:58 pm

DIA

By the way, read your post this morning regarding paying decent wages based on applicable skill sets in efforts to keep good workers.

Hope that is working out for your company. Way to go. Hats off to you.

We’ve found that when you pay folks a decent wage, turnover is virtually non-existent (and turnover is expensive!). We pay, probably, above the market, health, life and dental insurance (pay 100% of premium) and 401k with matching. We have folks clamoring to work for us. We are expanding and life is good!

DownInAlbany

February 13th, 2013
4:07 pm

getalife

February 13th, 2013
3:57 pm

I can’t argue with you regarding election results, but, Gallup is not credible?

getalife

February 13th, 2013
4:08 pm

“I wish Obama would have said this last night!”

Shifting focus to the middle class is saying it.

Unfortunately, the turtle made sure some more was included in the fiscal deal.

You party is still focused on more trillion dollar welfare.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
4:08 pm

I wish Obama said this last night!

Oooh Betts — you’re such a naughty girl!

PS: If he would’ve said it, I bet Bohner would’ve been on his knees faster than the class tram##p!

TaxPayer

February 13th, 2013
4:09 pm

getalife,

Bow down

I believe the expression you are looking for is “Kneel, Knaves!”

Dekalb comments

February 13th, 2013
4:09 pm

@ Down in Albany

(1) We don’t care what you think. Please comment on the Albany Cornhusker site
(2) Of course the number of people on Food Stamps has increased under Obama….people are hurting because of the Bush catastrophe. Obama is slowly addressing the issue with NO help from the pukes.

Enough said. Please get back on your medication.

DownInAlbany

February 13th, 2013
4:09 pm

moonbat betty

February 13th, 2013
4:10 pm

“Shifting focus to the middle class is saying it.”

By raising their taxes?

getalife

February 13th, 2013
4:11 pm

“Gallup is not credible?”

They did not perform well last cycle.

indigo

February 13th, 2013
4:11 pm

Some people, after working hard to get ahead and receiving Govt. help to do so, seem to develop some sort of situational amnesia. They will believe, for the rest of their days, that only their own hard work and ambition got them ahead. Any outside help they recieved becomes utterly forgotten or meaningless.

These people, if they become politicians, are Republicans. They have got theirs and are convinced others should get theirs strictly by their own hard work. They will approve of little or no Govt. help.

I’m at a loss to explain this sort of behavior by Republican politicians. Its even more difficult to explain why so many of the electorate believe this totally distorted way of thinking.

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
4:11 pm

Fred – How many have had a “miracle” to restore their sight? There is no way to find accurate figures, but would you concede less than 1/1000th of 1 percent?

I have no idea what that number is so no I won’t concede..
My step nephew was born blind…and I’ll bet he can kick your butt on almost any video game..especially NBA 2K13…again you can define yourself or you can let the situation define you…it really is that simple…sure some things are harder for some than others but such is life..we all have obstacles and if you think money fixes everything you’d be horribly wrong

DownInAlbany

February 13th, 2013
4:11 pm

Dekalb comments

February 13th, 2013
4:09 pm

Typical. You can’t argue the points intelligently so, (a) go away (b) blame Bush.

Geez!

getalife

February 13th, 2013
4:12 pm

“Kneel, Knaves!”

LOL, good one :)

DownInAlbany

February 13th, 2013
4:13 pm

Dekalb comments

February 13th, 2013
4:09 pm

@ Down in Albany

Enough said. Please get back on your medication

Oh, and one other thing, I’d be glad to go back on my medication, but, the testosterone shots were giving me migraines! Bawhahaha

getalife

February 13th, 2013
4:14 pm

Low t causes erectile dysfunction.

DownInAlbany

February 13th, 2013
4:14 pm

getalife

February 13th, 2013
4:11 pm

“Gallup is not credible?”

They did not perform well last cycle.

I can’t think of one that did! Afterall, most had us cons giddy that it was Romney in a landslide! :)

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
4:15 pm

DIA — “Just for you, Joe…”

I notice that you cherrypicked only the bad stuff. Your cited survey ALSO says (emphasis mine)

Obama receives a 51% overall job approval rating in the Feb. 7-10 World Affairs survey, meaning that the president comparatively underperforms on all but one of the specific issues measured. This could reflect strong perceived performance on issues that were not included in the survey, and may reflect Americans’ broadly positive view of Obama as a person, including the consistently high “likability” image he enjoyed during the presidential campaign.

Broadly speaking, most of the president’s other issue ratings are quite similar to when Gallup last measured them.

While defense may not be the major emphasis of Obama’s State of the Union address Tuesday night, this is clearly an area on which the American public gives him relatively strong marks. Obama’s rating on handling national defense is the same as it was last February, when it tied his rating on the environment as the highest of the 11 issues measured. National defense is now his strongest area in the current list of nine issues measured.
Obama’s rating on handling foreign affairs, second highest on the list (along with immigration), is down only slightly from last February. Although the president’s rating on the economy rose in surveys conducted around his re-election in November of last year, there was no such jump in his foreign affairs rating, which has remained roughly consistent all year.
The Obama administration has taken up immigration as a major focus point in recent weeks, and leaders of both parties in Congress appear to be on a pathway to possibly passing new legislation on immigration-related issues. Obama’s current rating (46%) is his highest yet over the four times Gallup has measured it.

There’s more along that line, but I refer the interested leader to your link.

FWIW, it always seems that links don’t QUITE say what conservatives suggest they do. ;)

DownInAlbany

February 13th, 2013
4:15 pm

getalife

February 13th, 2013
4:14 pm

Low t causes erectile dysfunction

They have meds for that, too! (thank goodness)

TBS

February 13th, 2013
4:16 pm

DIA

That is great to know and again congrats and continued success. Some businesses regardless of size don’t ever find that happy medium as you guys have found, yet they always complain they can’t find good help or keep the good ones.

It is surely a balance, however it is one that usually pays back in terms of productivity, less training of new hires, etc.

We might disagree on numerous political issues, but won’t ever begrudge you of your success and willingness to do things the right way.

Dekalb comments

February 13th, 2013
4:16 pm

DowninAlbany

Not actually I can destroy your points one by one.

No this is not a blame game. This is REALITY which pukes refuse to accept. The entire global economy collapsed based on many, many factors. Some I could lay at the feet of the U.S. Congress, Bush, etc. and others elsewhere. But the reality is we are slowly climbing out of this with NO help from the pukes. They didn’t want any stimulus, wanted to continue to lick the balls of the rich, deny unemployed persons, strip military of benefits…the list of atrocities go on and on. But your ilk fail to live in reality.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
4:16 pm

getalife — “Low t causes erectile dysfunction.”

Whereas cons simply have electile dysfunction. :D

DownInAlbany

February 13th, 2013
4:17 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
4:15 pm

DIA — “Just for you, Joe…”

I notice that you cherrypicked only the bad stuff.

Just trying to have a balanced approach (now, where have I heard that recently?). Jay, cherry picks the good stuff, afterall…

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
4:17 pm

but, the testosterone shots were giving me migraines!

You used to be a girl?

Cool! When they gave you a penis, how did they do it and does it have any “feelings”? Can you get excited or do you have to use a pump or something?

Also, is being a boy all that great? I mean now you have to go into the nasty men’s bathrooms, (yuck); and now you wipe the snot off your face with your hands (eeewwww)!

getalife

February 13th, 2013
4:18 pm

“I can’t think of one that did!”

I can but you need to learn on your own.

Google it.

Tom Middleton

February 13th, 2013
4:18 pm

Doggone/GA
@3:29pm

Well how about this: Somewhere between the liberals’ half a philosophy and the conservatives’ half, there’s a whole philosophy that’ll take us to the next level and beyond. Feel better now? :)

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
4:19 pm

DIA — “Just trying to have a balanced approach (now, where have I heard that recently?). Jay, cherry picks the good stuff, afterall…”

FWIW, I appreciate you posting the link so readily. Many of our con regulars will just say ‘google it yourself, tard,’ and then go sulk in a corner. :)

getalife

February 13th, 2013
4:19 pm

“Whereas cons simply have electile dysfunction. :D

Another good one :)

appleseed

February 13th, 2013
4:19 pm

Why do most tax payer paid jobs belong to the conservative?The jobs are filled with cons from city clerk,county corner,school board member etc,all way through top jobs and elected.

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
4:19 pm

Whereas cons simply have electile dysfunction.

is that japanese?
I once had a japanese colleague with an interest in American politics… in early Nov he e-mailed me asking how I thought the erection was going :D

Uh Huh.......Rubio's Internal Contradictions

February 13th, 2013
4:19 pm

Rubio said that more government is NOT going to help you.

But more government helped his mother with medicare and

student loans helped him go to college.

That is a contradiction.

ummmmmmmm

Uh Huh

TaxPayer

February 13th, 2013
4:19 pm

Obama’s polling results are not of much value unless presented relative to other’s polling results from the same time period. Take Congressional Republicans, for instance. No. Please. Take them. Colonoscopies poll higher than they do.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
4:21 pm

getalife — “Another good one”

It’s caused by ‘low V.” :D

rightwingextreme

February 13th, 2013
4:22 pm

Social Security is not a failure….

WRONG….

If I could start over when I was 16 and be allowed to keep my “contribution”(isn’t that a nice name for a tax!) from every job i’ve ever had and be allowed to invest it i would have at a minimum three times more money available for retirement than SS would ever provide.

Plus, when I die I would be able to leave that to my family increasing their wealth. Of course that would cut down their need for guv’ment which the left would never agree to.

My mother in law passed away last year without receiving one dime of her “contribution” to SS. Talk about a rip-off.

DownInAlbany

February 13th, 2013
4:22 pm

Dekalb comments

February 13th, 2013
4:16 pm

DowninAlbany

Not actually I can destroy your points one by one.

No this is not a blame game. This is REALITY which pukes…

Sorry, I quit reading right about there. Come back with an adult conversation and I’ll be glad to engage. Name calling is quite juvenile.

getalife

February 13th, 2013
4:24 pm

Y’all are on a roll :)

My work is done.

TaxPayer

February 13th, 2013
4:24 pm

If cons had house insurance and suffered no damages, they would complain about not being able to collect on it.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 13th, 2013
4:25 pm

Later Gators (or DemDawgs, whichever you prefer) —

It’s Miller Pilsner time!!

DownInAlbany

February 13th, 2013
4:26 pm

getalife

February 13th, 2013
4:18 pm

“I can’t think of one that did!”

I can but you need to learn on your own.

Google it.

I always get blasted on here when I tell people to “google” it. So, I tryed it….googled, “getalife says there are reputable polling sites” Google said, SAY WHAT?

rightwingextreme

February 13th, 2013
4:26 pm

Erwin’s cat

February 13th, 2013
4:01 pm
Let me be clear, the American people told you cons to shove your failed ideology in the last election.

well 53% of them did anyway

uhhh….i show skeeter/plugs received 50.6% of the popular vote in 2012…..where you getting 53%??

DownInAlbany

February 13th, 2013
4:28 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
4:19 pm

DIA — “Just trying to have a balanced approach (now, where have I heard that recently?). Jay, cherry picks the good stuff, afterall…”

FWIW, I appreciate you posting the link so readily. Many of our con regulars will just say ‘google it yourself, tard,’ and then go sulk in a corner

getalife

February 13th, 2013
4:18 pm

“I can’t think of one that did!”

I can but you need to learn on your own.

Google it.

I don’t think getalife is a con! :)

moonbat betty

February 13th, 2013
4:28 pm

“It’s Pilsner time!!”

Stay out of the men’s bathroom, Debbie! j/k!

Don Abernethy

February 13th, 2013
4:29 pm

He who laughs last laughs best. Wait until 2016.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
4:29 pm

E. Cat — “I once had a japanese colleague with an interest in American politics… in early Nov he e-mailed me asking how I thought the erection was going ”

When I was stationed in Hawaii, my section had an AJA (American of Japanese Ancestry) lieutenant, and before we went on a deployment to Japan, he took it upon himself to give some of us a quick course in Handy Phrases in Japanese. One of the phrases was (roughly) ‘Excuse me, where is the toilet? I have (George) Bush flu.’ This was, of course, shortly after President Bush the elder yacked into the Japanese Prime Minister’s lap. :D

Apparently, the Japanese ‘verbed’ that into ‘Bussush1ta,’ literally meaning ‘to do a Bush.”

FWIW, the Japanese soldiers we asked about that thought it was *hilarious.* And they kept asking us to *repeat it.* :D

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
4:29 pm

DIA — “I don’t think getalife is a con!

I LOLed. :D

pogo

February 13th, 2013
4:31 pm

One could also correlate (inversely) the results shown in Jaybird’s graph with the test scores for the products of the most expensive educational system in the world. The dumber that the America gets, the greater the divide in income. That is, in a nutshell, the legacy of liberal intervention into any governmental agency. Now we have a bunch dumb educated people who cannot compete with other economies that spend far less than us on education and that produce a better product and that don’t have to deal with teachers unions and meddling liberals in government.

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
4:32 pm

where you getting 53%??

from an aged memory…was it 51% for Obama vs 47% for Mitt…my point was not all Americans rejected the “cons” agenda

skeeter/plugs??

TaxPayer

February 13th, 2013
4:34 pm

The dumber that the America gets, the greater the divide in income.

Paris Hilton say what!

moonbat betty

February 13th, 2013
4:37 pm

“Now we have a bunch dumb educated people who cannot compete with other economies that spend far less than us on education and that produce a better product”

But our dummies don’t want to work for $2 a day.

DownInAlbany

February 13th, 2013
4:39 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
4:29 pm

It’s the BEST medicine!

Ken

February 13th, 2013
4:41 pm

Mr. Rubio has class and appeals to everyday people. He is from a middle class family and has the excellent work ethic of the Cuban people.
Jay, your attack dog mentality of Republicans stops at Marco. He is a class act and you know it.

Nobama

February 13th, 2013
4:43 pm

Stevie Ray – man where you been at ? I love you. All you bleeding heart liberals keep spending $ you don’t have and then watch what happens in a few more years. When they are coming over the walls to take your stuff, you will be wishing you had your assault rifle.

rightwingextreme

February 13th, 2013
4:44 pm

Erwin’s cat

February 13th, 2013
4:32 pm
where you getting 53%??

from an aged memory…was it 51% for Obama vs 47% for Mitt…my point was not all Americans rejected the “cons” agenda

skeeter/plugs??

Skeeter’s my nickname for obama because he “likes” to skeet shoot. plugs is for biden for his hair plugs.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 13th, 2013
4:45 pm

Social Security is not a failure….

CORRECT

IT IS A SUCCESS FOR ROBBING THE YOUNG OF MONEY TO RAISE YOUR STANDARD OF LIVING AND TRANSFERRING IT TO THE OLD

AND DON’T KID YOURSELVES…….. EMPLOYERS DO NOT PAY 6.2%……. THAT IS 6.2% COMPENSATION TO YOU THAT IS NOT PAID TO YOU NOR EVER SEEN………THUS THE GENIUS OF THE PAYROLL TAX……..

YOU WONT SCREAM FOR MONEY YOU NEVER SAW

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
4:46 pm

FWIW..several companies are moving some mfg from China back to the US…believe it or not, the cost of power over there can easily offset the “benefits” of cheap labor

Doggone/GA

February 13th, 2013
4:51 pm

“believe it or not, the cost of power over there can easily offset the “benefits” of cheap labor”

that and the increased cost of fuel. When the “Eastern manufacturing revolution” took off, fuel and shipping costs were cheap enough that it was economically worth it to ship raw goods to the East and ship the finished products back. The rise in fuel costs is making that less and less attractive, when a company can manufacture closer to their market and save most of the shipping cost.

I would not be surprised if the “wave of the future” in manufacturing is smaller factories in more locations, to take advantage of that savings in shipping and distribution.

moonbat betty

February 13th, 2013
4:53 pm

“FWIW..several companies are moving some mfg from China back to the US”

That’s good to hear.

I believe a lot of jobs are going to come back home in the future as outsourcing overseas presents its own set of issues that make it (cheap labor) not worth it in the long run.

tireofit

February 13th, 2013
4:54 pm

Rubio is going no where!

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
4:56 pm

Doggone…good point. I’ve heard that the cost of shipping a container has almost quadrupled in the past few years….also a growing middle class in China is demanding more in wage…some outfits are going deep into the countryside to keep labor costs down, but getting in and out of the countryside can be a bit challenging

josef

February 13th, 2013
4:58 pm

Just an observation as a fly-on-the-wall listening in to the Spanish speakers talking about Rubio, but however he may a played in Peoria, he got an overall and somewhat prideful “thumbs up” in Guadalajara del Norte.

Mr Right

February 13th, 2013
4:59 pm

U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio may have had an awkward, amateurish moment in his rebuttal to the State of the Union last night — grace under pressure it was not — but it’s nothing that will do permanent damage to his career. The national spotlight is a difficult place, and you learn how to handle it by living in it. Sarah Palin, for example, never got the benefit of the learning curve that Rubio is now experiencing, and the lack of preparation ended her career Jay

So which would you rather have— a load of crap delivered in a fancy truck or a load of gold delivered in a not so fancy truck ? Obama is so good at speaking but what does he deliver?

Dekalb comments

February 13th, 2013
4:59 pm

@ Down in Albany

I quit reading when I saw you were from Albany. We know Georgia has different populations and suggest the Atlanta metro area has its own unique profile. So perhaps the Albany Gazette or whatever it is called is more appropriate.

Mr Right

February 13th, 2013
5:02 pm

Rubio is going no where!

Yep, he will be aroud for quite some time!

tireofit

February 13th, 2013
5:02 pm

Ken
February 13th, 2013
4:41 pmJay,

Mr. Rubio has class and appeals to everyday people. He is from a middle class family and has the excellent work ethic of the Cuban people.
.
++
Yes there are hard working Cuban’s and I have many Cuban friends, but that is a stupid, but feel good, statement. Obviously, you have never lived in South Florida.

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
5:03 pm

Doggone/GA

February 13th, 2013
5:04 pm

“Obama is so good at speaking but what does he deliver?”

Here’s an alternate question: what do YOU expect him to deliver, that is within his powers as President?

moonbat betty

February 13th, 2013
5:04 pm

DeKalb,

Someone in DeKalb making fun of Albany….too funny.

josef

February 13th, 2013
5:04 pm

Dekalb comments…

You quit reading when you saw he was from Albany? And why, pray tell, would anybody take you seriously after that? And, given the rest of you comment, it appears you didn’t quit reading. There’s urban and there’s urbane. As your post shows, you are the latter, but questionably not the former.

TBS

February 13th, 2013
5:05 pm

Dekalb

What does DIA being from Albany have to do with anything?

Are people automatically smarter in Dekalb?

Orange13

February 13th, 2013
5:05 pm

That Black Guy

February 13th, 2013
5:07 pm

the dog

February 13th, 2013
12:54 pm
Itchy-I take severe exception to your use of the word “fruit” unless referring to an apple, orange, etc.

As you know, that word has long been the bigotted name for homosexuals. Can you choose another word to express your disdain? Broaden your vocabulary?
_____________________________________________
WOW! :shock:

Considering the disgusting claim you made about Doom (and still have not proven (because it was a LIE)), I would think you would the last person to be offended.

josef

February 13th, 2013
5:07 pm

“As your post shows, you are the latter, but questionably not the former.”

Oops…

“you are the former but questionably not the latter…”

Two dip-sh*t points for me on that one… :-)

indigo

February 13th, 2013
5:10 pm

rightwingextreme – 4:22 “and be allowed to invest it”

I’m guessing you’ve never heard of Enron.

barking frog

February 13th, 2013
5:11 pm

and then there is rurban……

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
5:12 pm

Two dip-sh*t points for me on that one… :-)

oh crap..are we keeping score?

Doggone/GA

February 13th, 2013
5:14 pm

“oh crap..are we keeping score?”

I certainly hope not!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 13th, 2013
5:15 pm

TBG, I would not be so quick to defend the scumdoom. He’s said a lot of disgusting garbage about a lot of people and a lot of his callous shallow comments meant to get the attention he desires because he is such a loser in life could be understood in a number of ways. Personally, if one were to call him a POS, that would be an insult to S**t.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 13th, 2013
5:16 pm

Is there a 3-point shot in dipshyte scores?

barking frog

February 13th, 2013
5:17 pm

Erwin’s cat
oh crap..are we keeping score?
………………………………………….
yep, and you are way ahead….

DownInAlbany

February 13th, 2013
5:17 pm

Dekalb comments

February 13th, 2013
4:59 pm

@ Down in Albany

I quit reading when I saw you were from Albany. We know Georgia has different populations and suggest the Atlanta metro area has its own unique profile. So perhaps the Albany Gazette or whatever it is called is more appropriate.

That’s almost humorous…someone from Dekalb County looking down their nose at someone (anyone, for that matter) Bawhahaha

Again, come back when you want to have an adult conversation…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 13th, 2013
5:18 pm

TBG, I should have added “IMHO, your mileage may vary”.

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
5:19 pm

frog – yep, and you are way ahead

goes to show what you can do when you apply yourself

josef

February 13th, 2013
5:19 pm

ERWIN and DOGGONE

Well, it IS a contest I could compete in… :-)

ad

February 13th, 2013
5:19 pm

Water bottle? No. Actually full of Republican Kool-Aid.

DownInAlbany

February 13th, 2013
5:20 pm

Well, damn, some of my lib friends coming to my defense! My work for the day is done! Always (well, usually…maybe, sometimes) fun guys. Gotta make the 7 minute commute to the homestead. We’ll pick it up later!

josef

February 13th, 2013
5:20 pm

FROG

And for some, there’s Tur*ban!

Stevie Ray

February 13th, 2013
5:21 pm

Nobama

February 13th, 2013
4:43 pm

HEY EVERYONE, THE APOCALYPE IS UPON US. I HAVE JUST BEEN NAMED BY THE ABOVE AS A “BLEEDING HEART LIBERAL”…

I HAVE NOW REACHED THE APEX (OR NADIR AS IT WERE) OF MY BLOGGING EXISTENCE.

Real Scootter

February 13th, 2013
5:21 pm

Personally, if one were to call him a POS, that would be an insult to S**t.

:shock: Keep,go upstairs and wash your mouth with soap! :lol:

barking frog

February 13th, 2013
5:21 pm

Erwin’s cat
goes to show what you can do when you apply yourself
…………………………………………………………………..
or just spend more time in the litterbox

TaxPayer

February 13th, 2013
5:22 pm

Being in the North Georgia mountains, I do have a tendency to look down on most other Georgians. That and the fact that most other Georgians are apparently Republicans. Republicans like to be looked down on. It’s a natural consequence of their preference for trickle down and who am I to argue one’s preferences.

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
5:23 pm

Congrats Stevie…you made faster than I did

barking frog

February 13th, 2013
5:24 pm

josef
And for some, there’s Tur*ban!
………………………………………………….
who live in the rurban desert…..

That Black Guy

February 13th, 2013
5:24 pm

Steve

February 13th, 2013
1:18 pm
40% of Republicans still think Iraq had WMDs, Jesus walked with the Dinosaurs, and Obama is a Muslim…so who cares what these people think.
________________________________________
Do you have a link or cite to support your claim?

Not saying that you are making stuff up (only a klown would do that on an anon blog), just would like to see it.

JamVet

February 13th, 2013
5:25 pm

Until the new age Whig Party can find someone with the moral courage to stand up to their 1950s ideology, they are dying a slow and humiliating death every fourth November.

Jindal’s.statement about the GOP being the stupid, insulting and backwards party is spot on, of course, and a damn good start, but there is no way in hell he will buck the fascist party’s leadership, as advanced by Rush Limbaugh and Fox News.

And until some brave Republican does, and then starts a sea change and return to right wing reason, pragmatism and statesmanship, that flushing sound you hear, will not go away…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 13th, 2013
5:26 pm

Scooter, you’re right. Typing scumdoom does leave a bad taste in my mouth. :D

josef

February 13th, 2013
5:28 pm

That Black Guy

February 13th, 2013
5:28 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 13th, 2013
5:15 pm
TBG, I would not be so quick to defend the scumdoom. He’s said a lot of disgusting garbage about a lot of people and a lot of his callous shallow comments meant to get the attention he desires because he is such a loser in life could be understood in a number of ways. Personally, if one were to call him a POS, that would be an insult to S**t.
_____________________________________________
I get what you are saying, but I was on that day, and Doom in no way, shape, or form was applauding the shooting of the children in Newtown, which is what the dog (the cat) accused him of.

Real Scootter

February 13th, 2013
5:29 pm

Scooter, you’re right. Typing scumdoom does leave a bad taste in my mouth.

ROFLMAO!!!!

barking frog

February 13th, 2013
5:30 pm

JamVet 5:25
I think you will see more Republican defectors to the
Democrats like Charlie Crist.

Mr Right

February 13th, 2013
5:33 pm

Here’s an alternate question: what do YOU expect him to deliver, that is within his powers as President?

Not much, maybe unemployment at about 8% or about a $1,000,000,000,000.00 debt aded every year, other than that, not much!

Stevie Ray

February 13th, 2013
5:35 pm

Erwin’s cat

February 13th, 2013
5:23 pm

Thanks. I knew you liked me…I knew you liked me!!

I guess I need to respond with an attempt to argue both sides? I’m game.

Madmax

February 13th, 2013
5:36 pm

Jay – you have lied about what Rubio said about Medicare, He did not say it failed, nor did he say it for the other programs you cite. To refresh your memory
“The biggest obstacles to balancing the budget are programs where spending is already locked in. One of these programs, Medicare, is especially important to me. It provided my father the care he needed to battle cancer and ultimately die with dignity. And it pays for the care my mother receives now.

I would never support any changes to Medicare that would hurt seniors like my mother. But anyone who is in favor of leaving Medicare exactly the way it is right now, is in favor of bankrupting it.

Republicans have offered a detailed and credible plan that helps save Medicare without hurting today’s retirees. Instead of playing politics with Medicare, when is the President going to offer his plan to save it? Tonight would have been a good time for him to do it.

Where is he calling it a failure? He is just recognizing the new reality that we cannot continue with the program in its current form without bankrupting the program and our country. He is calling for Obama to step up and face reality. That is not calling the program a failure but is pointing out the failure of leadership by Obama in dealing with the biggest challanges of his prsidency.

He did take on Obamacare as an overly intrusive expansion of the federal government. Time will tell but the basic premise that Obama can only think of federal solutions requiring more spending and taxation is an accurate portrayal.

Doggone/GA

February 13th, 2013
5:37 pm

“Not much, maybe unemployment at about 8% or about a $1,000,000,000,000.00 debt aded every year, other than that, not much!”

And how do you expect him to deliver that, within the limits of his powers as President?

Thulsa Doom

February 13th, 2013
5:40 pm

“I get what you are saying, but I was on that day, and Doom in no way, shape, or form was applauding the shooting of the children in Newtown, which is what the dog (the cat) accused him of.”

that black guy,

As you’ve said before you definitely don’t like my politics. But that’s cool with me since you’re at least fair and honest about what is and isn’t said. I can’t say the same for the kreep or the dog(the cat).

Stevie Ray

February 13th, 2013
5:42 pm

JamVet

February 13th, 2013
5:25 pm

The courage you speak to re the GOP has about as much likelihood of DEMS not wanting to raise taxes.

There no longer exists courage in DC. I can’t think of more that a few acts of courage in what is our system in quite some time. Courage doesn’t pay…

Thulsa Doom

February 13th, 2013
5:42 pm

“Sure Scumdoom, you the tough guy.”

Not nearly as tough as the northpoint mall starbucks internet tough guy. You just one badass dude you are. Why I’ll bet you could whup on any other sand flea in the sand flea circus you’re in.

Jay

February 13th, 2013
5:43 pm

Madmax, Rubio stated that:

“… the idea that more taxes and more government spending is the best way to help hardworking middle class taxpayers – that’s an old idea that’s failed every time it’s been tried. More government isn’t going to help you get ahead. It’s going to hold you back.”

“that’s an old idea that’s failed every time it’s been tried. I read that as a blanket condemnation of every government program to help the middle class.

How do YOU read that?

JamVet

February 13th, 2013
5:44 pm

frog, perhaps, but he strikes me as a very unique case.

This party can no longer hope to reach Hispanics, African Americans and other minority groups – we need to just do it. Embracing cultures and lifestyles will make us a better party and better leaders. This desire for inclusiveness is near and dear to my heart… ~Charlie Crist, November 2008

Obviously the Republicans want no part of that. Purity Tests and complete unquestioning obeisance are their greatest “strengths”. Just ask them.

So, as the modern GOP has NO need for inclusiveness, differing opinions and a multitude of varying voices, I believe it will prove to be their Lily White swan song…

Jay

February 13th, 2013
5:47 pm

Cease the insults.

barking frog

February 13th, 2013
5:48 pm

How does Rubio determine that anyone making $9.00 per hr.
is ‘middle class’ when he said that government mandating
$9.00 minimum wage would not help the middle class achieve
its goals ?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 13th, 2013
5:49 pm

Rubio: The government can’t change the weather. I said that in the speech. We can pass a bunch of laws that will destroy our economy, but it isn’t going to change the weather

Except China and India have cap and trade laws in place

Madmax

February 13th, 2013
5:49 pm

Jay, when taken in context with his other statements Jay, your statement is a blatent distortion to support your bias. You specifically stated Medicare when in fact, he praised the program and called for the President to actually lead the process to save it. ” Instead of playing politics with Medicare, when is the President going to offer his plan to save it? Tonight would have been a good time for him to do ” So Jay, if you want to cherry pick statements instead of listening to the message, your point is a good talking point but a total distortion of what was said.

Thulsa Doom

February 13th, 2013
5:50 pm

Jay,

Will do. Just keep in mind who started it.

Mr Right

February 13th, 2013
5:52 pm

How does Rubio determine that anyone making $9.00 per hr.
is ‘middle class’ when he said that government mandating
$9.00 minimum wage would not help the middle class achieve
its goals ?

$9.00 minimum wage don’t do unemployed people any good!

Jay

February 13th, 2013
5:53 pm

Max, I included that remark by Rubio as well:

“As he acknowledged later in his speech, his mother and late father have relied heavily on Medicare to deal with their declining health.”

SPC

February 13th, 2013
5:54 pm

The government programs you mentioned are currently successful, but they are on an unsustainable course. Significant fraud has been uncovered in many of them. Fraud that never should have occurred in the first place. The graphs are interesting, but do they include non-payroll benefits that have been increasing for low and middle income people? In other words have they been normalized to reflect the total benefit people receive from their employer and the government so there is an “apples to apples” comparison?

JamVet

February 13th, 2013
5:55 pm

SR, there is precious little moral courage in the Democratic Party, but there are some examples.

The most important one to me in the past 10 years was when 57% of the Dems voted NO to allow GWB to invade the wrong country.

The GOP? Less than 3%! Shameful with a capital S. As in wholesale cowardice.

Also, differing party factions have not been excised completely out of the Democratic party, as they have in the GOP.

Real Scootter

February 13th, 2013
5:55 pm

JamVet

February 13th, 2013
5:44 pm

Give the GOP a break man! I heard they invited a bunch of Hispanics to join them if they were willing to do an extention on their tent. :smile:

barking frog

February 13th, 2013
5:55 pm

I know you can be out insulted but can you be outsulted ?

Stevie Ray

February 13th, 2013
5:55 pm

Jay

February 13th, 2013
5:47 pm

DID YOU SEE IT JAY? I WAS CALLED A BLEEDING HEART LIBERAL NOT TOO LONG AGO ON THIS VERY FORUM. WHAT YOU GOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT?

комиссар (Occupation)

February 13th, 2013
5:56 pm

Just back from conferring with fellow comrades.

What’d I miss?

Thulsa Doom

February 13th, 2013
5:57 pm

Factcheck had some things to say about Obama’s speech. And they weren’t nice. Seems Obama was fast and loose with the truth. As usual.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 13th, 2013
5:57 pm

I WAS CALLED A BLEEDING HEART LIBERAL NOT TOO LONG AGO ON THIS VERY FORUM. WHAT YOU GOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT?

Bleeding heart liberal should be insulted?

Stevie Ray

February 13th, 2013
5:57 pm

JamVet

February 13th, 2013
5:55 pm

IMO, the ones who voted for that war are the ones who evidenced political courage. I’m referring to bucking party dogma and attempting to do the right thing.

Thulsa Doom

February 13th, 2013
5:58 pm

Occupation,

You missed factcheck’s breakdown of Obama’s lies.

Stevie Ray

February 13th, 2013
5:58 pm

Thulsa Doom

February 13th, 2013
5:50 pm

Incorrect. George Bush started it..at least that’s what is advertised you big silly.

barking frog

February 13th, 2013
5:59 pm

Mr Right
$9.00 minimum wage don’t do unemployed people any good!
………………………………………………………………………………
It will increase business where $9.00 per hr people shop thus
affecting the supply chain and creating jobs.

Madmax

February 13th, 2013
5:59 pm

Jay, but then you stated that he was calling Medicare a failure which he did not. He did call for restraint in expanding the role of government as a means of propping up our ailing economy because if we are to balance the budget, every dollar spent by Washington, must either be taken out of the economy or added to the deficit.

Stevie Ray

February 13th, 2013
6:00 pm

OCCUPATION

I agree with Thulsa, go to Wash Post and see preliminary fact checks for many of the key turds BO bestowed upon us folks last evening.

Stevie Ray

February 13th, 2013
6:02 pm

barking frog

February 13th, 2013
5:59 pm

Good point. Question for you is exactly how will pass thru of costs to consumers impact demand?

I”m all for wage increase but the timing couldn’t be worse..

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 13th, 2013
6:04 pm

Raising the minimum wage to $9.00 by 2015 would affect approximately 21 million workers (the White House fact sheet on the minimum wage proposal notes that 15 million workers would directly benefit, the balance – approximately 6 million workers whose wages are currently slightly above $9.00 – would benefit indirectly, as their wages were incrementally increased). We have a pretty good idea who these workers would be, having analyzed the demographic impact of increasing the minimum wage to $9.80 in 2012, as proposed by the Fair Minimum Wage Act. That analysis showed that more than half of those who would be affected are women, more than four in five are 20 years of age or over, more than a quarter are parents, and over a third are married. Moreover, the average affected worker earns about half of his or her family’s total income.

barking frog

February 13th, 2013
6:05 pm

Stevie Ray
Good point. Question for you is exactly how will pass thru of costs to consumers impact demand?
…………………………………………………………………….
Just like the pass through of costs at current minimum wage
except a little more.

Stevie Ray

February 13th, 2013
6:05 pm

Thulsa Doom

February 13th, 2013
5:57 pm

I would argue that the most outrageous lie was the first line..”the state of the union is strong”. Really? IMO the state of the union is tenuous at best, dysfunctional, poorly managed and frightening. If I were unemployed, I’d have turned it off right then. At least before the human props were rolled out.

Real Scootter

February 13th, 2013
6:07 pm

Factcheck had some things to say about Obama’s speech. And they weren’t nice. Seems Obama was fast and loose with the truth. As usual

Hey Doom,someone here earlier said that and provided a link to fact check and of course got ridiculed as usual. But good luck anyway! :grin:

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
6:07 pm

I would argue that the most outrageous lie was the first line.

The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
6:08 pm

I would argue that the most outrageous lie was the first line.

We will be greeted as liberators.

Stevie Ray

February 13th, 2013
6:08 pm

barking frog

February 13th, 2013
6:05 pm

Not sure I see that or not. Increasing prices with unemployment where it is on the surface seems a bad choice. I don’t see it changing demand but I do see BO guaranteeing that voting block for the DEMs for years to come.

комиссар (Occupation)

February 13th, 2013
6:10 pm

Stevie: “I agree with Thulsa, go to Wash Post and see preliminary fact checks for many of the key turds BO bestowed upon us folks last evening.”

Pretty weak brew, if you ask me.

Stevie Ray

February 13th, 2013
6:11 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
6:07 pm

I guess you are suggesting that tradition and acceptable that any president is obliged to spew complete BS when possible? In that sense among others, your guy really isn’t much different than Bush eh? Or his daddy.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
6:11 pm

I would argue that the most outrageous lie was the first line.

“The bulk of the funds for Iraq’s reconstruction will come from Iraqis — from oil revenues, recovered assets, international trade, direct foreign investment, as well as some contributions we’ve already received and hope to receive from the international community.”

комиссар (Occupation)

February 13th, 2013
6:12 pm

Stevie Ray, Thulsa Doom:

The Washington Post lets the cat out of the bag here:

“Bowles-Simpson, or more accurately the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform, is considered by many in Washington to be the model for a bipartisan approach for deficit reduction.)

However, in 2022, both would achieve exactly the same amount of savings — $68 billion.”

A beltway establishment rag praising Simpson-Bowles as a “model” approach. Imagine!

Typical Washington Post. Sigh.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
6:13 pm

I would argue that the most outrageous lie was the first line.

“There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, against us.”

Thulsa Doom

February 13th, 2013
6:13 pm

Stevie Ray,

Indeed. The first line was something else considering that our debt exceeds our gnp for the first time ever under this potus. Sad.

The sad thing is when he talked about raising the minimum wage rate to $9.00 an hour. There’s a lot of ignorant folks out there who haven’t a clue as to labor economics. If we raise the min. wage to $9 an hour we will also raise unemployment and in particular raise unemployment amongst minorities and especially teen minorities. I don’t know if this president is that ignorant or if he knows we will lose jobs but just doesn’t care because he knows his voting base is ignorant.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

February 13th, 2013
6:14 pm

How does someone live on 14 thousand a year anyway ( minimum wage) ?

At that point your just a glorified slave.

Meanwhile corporations are sitting on record amounts of cash and Exxon is recording record profits.

Its shameful. If you though Occupy Wall Street was something.

Let this trend continue.

Stevie Ray the freshly minted bleeding heart liberal!

February 13th, 2013
6:14 pm

комиссар (Occupation)

February 13th, 2013
6:10 pm

Guess you checked it out eh? Pretty loose on much of his blather…Am I the only one who thougth Boehner looked orange or that BO remarkably resembles a bobble head doll when his mouth is engaged?

F. Sinkwich

February 13th, 2013
6:15 pm

Typical leftie response to valid arguments: Straw men.

Criticize any aspect of government? Accuse the critic of wanting to destroy SS and Medicare.

Criticize a dum-ass EPA reg? Accuse the critic of advocating dirty air and filthy water.

Criticize confiscatory tax rates? Accuse the critic of hating cops, firefighters, and teachers, even though the Feds have no authority over any of those, or shouldn’t.

But this is an interesting comment by Jay:

“The student loan and Pell Grant programs are not failures.”

What, no accusation of “righties” hating students and anyone who wants an education? That’s totally out of leftie character. What, pray tell, can we conclude?

Federal involvement in either is no success! It’s a WASTE. If the justification for Fed spending on anything is that it is “not a failure,” then we are in BIG TROUBLE.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
6:15 pm

I would argue that the most outrageous lie was the first line.

“We learned more and more that there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the ’90s”

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

February 13th, 2013
6:15 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
6:16 pm

I guess you are suggesting that tradition and acceptable that any president is obliged to spew complete BS when possible?

You guess poorly.

F. Sinkwich

February 13th, 2013
6:17 pm

” I don’t know if this president is that ignorant or if he knows we will lose jobs but just doesn’t care because he knows his voting base is ignorant.”

That $9 thing was just a bone he threw to his union thug supporters…

josef

February 13th, 2013
6:17 pm

Cheesy

For that matter, two minimum wage jpbs…I’ve asked before for someone opposed to raising the minimum wage or bad mouthing the working poor to prepare a monthly budget on that salary for a family of four. So far, no takers…

Stevie Ray the freshly minted bleeding heart liberal!

February 13th, 2013
6:18 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
6:13 pm

Pretzel logic continues. Since it was ok for Bush, you feel it’s ok for Obama…the resemblance is getting stronger every day. So Obama can lie because Bush did it first?

That’s awesome. BO”s legacy will forever include comparison to one of the least effective presidents ever…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
6:19 pm

So Obama can lie because Bush did it first?

Strike two.

Thulsa Doom

February 13th, 2013
6:19 pm

Stevie Ray,

I hate it the way all those Dem leaders lied about Iraq having WMDs. Lots of lies from em on WMDs. Lots of em.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp

Real Scootter

February 13th, 2013
6:20 pm

The bulk of the funds for Iraq’s reconstruction will come from Iraqis — from oil revenues, recovered assets, international trade, direct foreign investment, as well as some contributions we’ve already received and hope to receive from the international community.”

Dangit Kam!! You are hitting below the belt.Whew!!!

Stevie Ray the freshly minted bleeding heart liberal!

February 13th, 2013
6:20 pm

F. Sinkwich

February 13th, 2013
6:17 pm

Bingo. Gotta butter that union bread…keep hope alive baby!

We really do need to do something about minimum wage…it is a poor poor situation….timing is everything eh?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
6:21 pm

StopTheMadness

February 13th, 2013
6:21 pm

Obama’s dishonesty and hypocrisy in action: the Jack Lew nomination – Citigroup lobbyist who earned a million dollar bonus right after the government bailout. Back then, of course, the liar-in-chief said such bonuses were “obscene” and “shameful”. Now, however, he apparently should be Treasury Secretary. I also guess, since the 2012 presidential race is over, Cayman Island investments no longer matter.

josef

February 13th, 2013
6:21 pm

HEATHEN

-)

That oughta make TBS happy!

As for Unmentionable’s take…Braves and Indians are fine, but Redskins? But, well, that IS the national (imperial) capital’s team…

комиссар (Occupation)

February 13th, 2013
6:23 pm

Chin up, Sinkie. It’s rough, I know.

By the way, on this point: ““The student loan and Pell Grant programs are not failures.”

Pell Grants are a direct transfer of wealth to those with lower incomes. Which I guess bugs the hell out of you, doesn’t it?

JamVet

February 13th, 2013
6:23 pm

I just shake my head and chuckle when Republicans try to use the word liberal as an insult.

i know that I have George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Benjamin Franklin, Sojourner Truth, Frederick Douglass, Jane Addams, Abraham Lincoln, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Susan B. Anthony, Florence Kelly, Theodore Roosevelt, Louis Brandies, John Paul Stevens, Samuel Gompers, FDR and Eleanor Roosevelt, Harry Truman and JFK, Martin Luther King Jr. and Warren Buffet, among many others who made this country a “more perfect union”.

I am fiercely liberal because I believe in the unalienable rights of the individual man, woman and child and the sovereignty of the American people. And government of the people, by the people and for the people.

And as I once raised my right hand and swore to defend the Constitution of the United States from all enemies, foreign and domestic, I fiercely support the destruction of Uncle Sam hating fascism whether in Europe or in the American right wing.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
6:23 pm

I would argue that the most outrageous lie was the first line.

“I can’t tell you if the use of force in Iraq today would last five days, or five weeks, or five months, but it certainly isn’t going to last any longer than that.”

Stevie Ray the freshly minted bleeding heart liberal!

February 13th, 2013
6:23 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
6:19 pm

Allow me to strike out looking here. You are posting GOP BS (fully agreed) is a solid defense of BO BS.. Bush did it so there…its our guys turn! Go fight win.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
6:24 pm

I would argue that the most outrageous lie was the first line.

“And it is not knowable if force will be used, but if it is to be used, it is not knowable how long that conflict would last. It could last, you know, six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.”

Brosephus™

February 13th, 2013
6:24 pm

Well lookie here, what’s with the Obama bashers suddenly disappointed that he didn’t tell the 100% honest truth? When has anybody with common sense ever thought any president would ever begin the SOTU with something suggesting this country is f**ked up?

StopTheMadness

February 13th, 2013
6:25 pm

“For that matter, two minimum wage jpbs [sic]…I’ve asked before for someone opposed to raising the minimum wage or bad mouthing the working poor to prepare a monthly budget on that salary for a family of four. So far, no takers…”

Why don’t you put down your fiddle and ask Sonya Carson (Ben Carson’s mother) there, genius?

josef

February 13th, 2013
6:25 pm

ZamVet

“…Theodore Roosevelt…”

Aw, what’s a little genocide amongst, friends, eh? :-)

Stevie Ray the freshly minted bleeding heart liberal!

February 13th, 2013
6:26 pm

StopTheMadness

February 13th, 2013
6:21 pm

Careful now. Lew’s response is that he was not a key decision maker at Citi…he, unlike the fat cats, can’t be blamed…clearly it wasn’t his fault. Go easy on the guy man!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
6:26 pm

Bush did it so there…its our guys turn!

Strike three.

One out.

StopTheMadness

February 13th, 2013
6:26 pm

“Well lookie here, what’s with the Obama bashers suddenly disappointed that he didn’t tell the 100% honest truth?”

What’s with Obama bots continuing to pretend he hasn’t outright lied about a number of things?

moonbat betty

February 13th, 2013
6:27 pm

“I just shake my head and chuckle when Republicans try to use the word liberal as an insult.”

Then why don’t you attack your democrat “friends” on a daily basis?

They are the ones whom seem to take offense…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
6:27 pm

What’s with Obama bots continuing to pretend he hasn’t outright lied about a number of things?

The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.

TBS

February 13th, 2013
6:28 pm

josef

When did I ever opine any any sports team’s name?

Madmax

February 13th, 2013
6:28 pm

Jay, I have to run, but in an economic sense, most of those programs are failures as they are no longer sustainable. Many others on a program basis are failures too. When I first entered the work force, SS was something like 1 -2%. Then as the impact of a growing society started to hit, they spent years tweaking it, raising the rate one year, raising the cap the next and so on always with the asserrtion that it was going to a trust fund for everyone which they raided even while knowing that it would accelerate the failure of the system. Now we’re abandoning the premise that everybody funds it and are starting to look for ways to get the guy with the white cadillac with a blue door (anybody but me) to pay for it and then tell the guy who is paying for it, he is no longer entitled to it. Medicare has the same track record. Look at the drug plan that Bush got through. Postal Service – another big money pit. Dept of Energy – formed to reduce our dependence on foreign oil – oh yeah that’s a rousing success. Dept of Education – we used to lead the world – definitely a succes? DoD and $1000 toilets. So whether you look at things from a fiscal basis or a program basis, we’ve got lots of examples of large goverment failures, pushed by Democrat & Republican, liberal and conservative alike. So rushing legislation through like was done for Obamacare is a mistake we can’t afford to keep repeating and while some things may seem like the right thing to do, it does not make them mandatory and the nation as a whole may be better off postponing things until we can afford it and we really understand it. I believe that was the message Rubio and the Republicans were pushing last night; was there some partisanship in their message – sure, but no more than the president dished out during his hour plus.

Thulsa Doom

February 13th, 2013
6:29 pm

Oh noes! Say it aint so. The Dem leaders were lying about Iraq having WMDs! Soooo many more quotes. So little time.

“(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. …And now he is miscalculating America�s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War.” — John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003

“I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force – if necessary – to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.” — John F. Kerry, Oct 2002

“The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation.” — John Kerry, October 9, 2002

The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow.” — Bill Clinton in 1998

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.” — Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

“I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons…I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out.” — Clinton’s Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

Saddam’s goal … is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed.” — Madeline Albright, 1998

“(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983″ — National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998

“Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement.” — Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

F. Sinkwich

February 13th, 2013
6:29 pm

“I’ve asked before for someone opposed to raising the minimum wage or bad mouthing the working poor to prepare a monthly budget on that salary for a family of four.”

Perhaps you could first explain how someone who has a minimum wage job could ever be stupid enough to think he/she could ever support it?

комиссар (Occupation)

February 13th, 2013
6:29 pm

StopTheMadness: “Obama’s dishonesty and hypocrisy in action: the Jack Lew nomination – Citigroup lobbyist who earned a million dollar bonus right after the government bailout. Back then, of course, the liar-in-chief said such bonuses were “obscene” and “shameful”

Ok. so your on to the Democrats’ BS, their bait and switch.

As we do not have any political party in this country not captured by Wall Street and big finance, what do you propose in the meantime? Would Romney’s nomination for Treasury have been more preferable just because he wouldn’t have made any bones about his abject servility to the Wall Street class?

josef

February 13th, 2013
6:29 pm

STOP THE

That sic on a typo says a lot, you know, but the question is, where’s that budget…link or provide one? I’m really interested.

TBS

February 13th, 2013
6:30 pm

josef

If I say it it is open game, but no need to infer or imply as you are fond of doing.

Stevie Ray the freshly minted bleeding heart liberal!

February 13th, 2013
6:30 pm

Brosephus™

February 13th, 2013
6:24 pm

It’s the truth BRO but of course not politically practical. That amount of courage will never exist. Of course continuing to lie to ourselves and our citizens purely for political gain is the norm…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
6:30 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 13th, 2013
6:30 pm

oh the poutrage. Obama lied? :lol: Perhaps we can hear more truth about the “47% who pay no taxes”. :lol: :lol: The GOP is full of truth. :lol:

moonbat betty

February 13th, 2013
6:31 pm

“When has anybody with common sense ever thought any president would ever begin the SOTU with something suggesting this country is f*ked up?”

LOL, Bro. That would be a pretty damn funny opening though.

“My fellow Americans, we are f’d up and in a world of sh*t, but…..”

JamVet for President!

Brosephus™

February 13th, 2013
6:31 pm

What’s with Obama bots continuing to pretend he hasn’t outright lied about a number of things?

What’s with pseudo conservatives not having the ability to formulate a rational thought without the incessant need to label people, inaccurately in your case?

josef

February 13th, 2013
6:31 pm

TBS

The call for the de rigueur mea culpa thingie! :-)

Stevie Ray the freshly minted bleeding heart liberal!

February 13th, 2013
6:32 pm

Thulsa Doom

February 13th, 2013
6:29 pm

How do you suppose the LIBS here will be able to push those facts under the carpet?

DwayneL

February 13th, 2013
6:32 pm

The providers FAR outnumber the takers so it’s only a matter of time before it all comes crashing down!

Thulsa Doom

February 13th, 2013
6:32 pm

Brocephus,

On a different note its low Tide today. Very sad to see 3-4 players throw their lives away like that. And for what? Damn shame.

F. Sinkwich

February 13th, 2013
6:33 pm

“Pell Grants are a direct transfer of wealth to those with lower incomes. Which I guess bugs the hell out of you, doesn’t it?”

Well, mostly, but I really get agitated when this redistributionist tripe goes to liberal arts majors.

Engineering, business, sciences, etc.? No so much. In fact a good case could be made…….

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
6:33 pm

The providers FAR outnumber the takers…

Haliburton says, “What?”

TBS

February 13th, 2013
6:34 pm

SR

What was different last night than what has been occurring to some degree or another since the inception of the US?

Lying, half truths, deception and slight of hands are nothing new. Just how much we wish to accept what was said by one politician over another, but overtime the lies are more than evident if we want to see them.

Stevie Ray the freshly minted bleeding heart liberal!

February 13th, 2013
6:34 pm

Brosephus™

February 13th, 2013
6:31 pm

Now now, today alone I’ve been called a baffoon and a bleeding heart liberal. Of course I proudly display them like a badge of courage.

moonbat betty

February 13th, 2013
6:34 pm

Look folks, lets face it.

A good politician puts whipped cream on a turd and calls it an ice cream sundae.

StopTheMadness

February 13th, 2013
6:35 pm

“I just shake my head and chuckle when Republicans try to use the word liberal as an insult.”

And I just shake my head and chuckle when idiotic “liberals” today equate their advocacy for gays, the “transgendered” and the right to kill the unborn with freeing people from discrimination based upon things over which they did not have a choice (like their color, gender or age). Talk about stupidity.

TBS

February 13th, 2013
6:35 pm

josef

If you are doing more implication and putting words in folk’s mouths, ok, if that is your thing.

josef

February 13th, 2013
6:36 pm

SINWICH

So, you’re saying the poor shouldn’t breed? How about, oh, say Jews, Blacks, Latinos, cross-eyed pirates, Republicans, Democrats…? I mean, if its eugenics you want…

Brosephus™

February 13th, 2013
6:36 pm

Stevie

It’s not the truth. We still have the world’s largest economy, world’s reserve currency, and are still the sole superpower. If that’s f**ked up, then I can’t wait until we’re f**kin awesome.

Thulsa Doom

February 13th, 2013
6:36 pm

“How do you suppose the LIBS here will be able to push those facts under the carpet?”

They won’t. They erect that liberal wall of Lies that W lied about Iraqi WMDs and I knock it down with a con missile of truth regarding all the Dems who likewise claimed Iraq had WMDs. And I only posted a few of their qutoes. Had many more I could have posted. That one was way too easy.

Stevie Ray the freshly minted bleeding heart liberal!

February 13th, 2013
6:36 pm

TBS

February 13th, 2013
6:34 pm

Not a thing..that’s my point. I can’t even sit through any of them…since I didn’t vote for Bush or the current occupant, I saw no need to view what amounts to a coronation…a victory parade if you will.

They are after all, politicians..at least they have their interests at the forefront.

josef

February 13th, 2013
6:37 pm

StopTheMadness

February 13th, 2013
6:38 pm

“What’s with pseudo conservatives not having the ability to formulate a rational thought without the incessant need to label people, inaccurately in your case?”

If it smells, walks and talks like an Obama bot, then it is one. Your constant, ready and often spirited defense of Obama make you an Obama bot – your denial notwithstanding. Go try to dupe someone else into believing your BS.

комиссар (Occupation)

February 13th, 2013
6:38 pm

“and I knock it down with a con missile of truth ”

Phallic much? :)

TBS

February 13th, 2013
6:39 pm

SR

I do not watch SOTU speeches as a rule and I didn’t watch last night. Anyone of us can youtube a Reagan, Bush or Clinton SOTU and see the bs. Nothing new.

I don’t watch much of the debates either.

It is the same thing each time. The ardent followers say he knocked it out of the park and his detractors say it was all bs…… truth to some degree or another can be found somewhere in the middle…….maybe

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
6:40 pm

Go try to dupe someone else into believing your BS.

Dittoheads say, “What?”

Brosephus™

February 13th, 2013
6:40 pm

betty

If only I had a desire to get into politics. :)

—————-

Stevie

I wish I could wear someone’s small mindedness as a badge of honor, but I am seriously trying to distance myself from jackassery as much as possible.

комиссар (Occupation)

February 13th, 2013
6:42 pm

Sinkwich: “Well, mostly, but I really get agitated when this redistributionist tripe goes to liberal arts majors.

Engineering, business, sciences, etc.? No so much. In fact a good case could be made…….”

Well, you ought to be very pleased with current trends, as that’s certainly the direction things are going in. More so towards business perhaps than to engineering and sciences, but in any case there is a huge exodus away from liberal arts. Which of course means that the other fields will languish. Not that any of the people running our current ed policy care to hear it.

StopTheMadness

February 13th, 2013
6:42 pm

“The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.”

And your bong is still in the living room, right next to your bottle of Southern Comfort.

Thulsa Doom

February 13th, 2013
6:42 pm

The lowest rated SOTU in 14 years. Hmm. Sounds like folks are catching onto the BS. Slowly but surely they’re starting to see same tired, repackaged BS and that its starting to ring hollow.

Stevie Ray the freshly minted bleeding heart liberal!

February 13th, 2013
6:42 pm

Brosephus™

February 13th, 2013
6:36 pm

Then the comparison to the outside world is a great benchmark? This repeated pitch suggests we should rest on our laurels..after all, we are the worlds currency and the superpower with the most weapons of death..clearly we set a great example with our warmongering, fiscal discipline, and violent culture. Why would anyone emulate that?

We don’t need to be all these things to be proud and prosperous…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 13th, 2013
6:42 pm

con missile of truth?

Is that one on them Saddam Scuds?

F. Sinkwich

February 13th, 2013
6:44 pm

“The providers FAR outnumber the takers…”

I guess you missed the last election.

StopTheMadness

February 13th, 2013
6:44 pm

“Dittoheads say, [sic] “What?”

Obamabots exclaim “Yeahhhh”.

Thulsa Doom

February 13th, 2013
6:44 pm

“Won’t add one dime to the deficit”

Is there any person anywhere in this country dumb enough to believe that whopper?

JamVet

February 13th, 2013
6:44 pm

betty, why would it be that important to me what they think? Or anyone else here for that matter. (Unless it is musical in nature! LOL!)

My mission here is to encourage and embolden my liberal, moderate and progressive brothers and sisters. Through my ideas and quotes. And to further demoralize an already despondent right wing.

The bottom line is that I barely have any interest in what the right wing fascists here think or write!

As an American Jew and liberal, I am simply committed to their destruction.

And lately they have been getting their sorry butts kicked up and down the electoral street, don’t you think?

Ask the very worst of them – Mssrs. Todd Akin, Richard Mourouch, Alan West, George Macaca Allen and Joe Walsh – about their recent endeavors.

And to the extent that I can help in any way, I will see that there is much more bad news ahead for them.

As for your last point, I agree with George Carlin…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxsQ7jJJcEA

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
6:45 pm

And your bong is still in the living room, right next to your bottle of Southern Comfort.

And there’s your sign.

josef

February 13th, 2013
6:45 pm

STOP the MADNESS
@ 6:42

Yeah, but at lest his subjects and verbs agree… :-)

viz. your 6:38

Thulsa Doom

February 13th, 2013
6:46 pm

I guess I didn’t take all the garbage out. Still some left…

Mama Says

February 13th, 2013
6:46 pm

And here is the problem that the liberals have in a nutshell. Jay gives us a chart filled blog on how much the rich folks make all in support of the “its not fair argument”. The answer to this problem is obvious to Jay and his fellow liberal minded friends. Take the money from the rich.

The hard part for a liberal to swallow however is the fact that there is nothing in the constitution or our form of government that even hints at this being a legal solution to the problem.

Since libs try and try to tell us that the American way is to take from the rich and give to the poor, in any amount, I would like just one of you to show me where you get that power.

By the way Jay, I agree, Obama is such a blow hard that I wouldn’t cover his speech either. It’s much more interesting to condemn the republicans. Guess you do t have to worry about the SOTU though, most legitimate news outlets are covering the outright lies he told. You don’t have to.

F. Sinkwich

February 13th, 2013
6:46 pm

“So, you’re saying the poor shouldn’t breed?”

See my post above about strawmen, josef.

You proved my point.

Thanks.

Stevie Ray the freshly minted bleeding heart liberal!

February 13th, 2013
6:46 pm

Brosephus™

February 13th, 2013
6:40 pm

C’mon man! Being called names is the most sincere form of flattery on forums like this…it means concession of the debate! Well not in the case of my bleeding heart..for many issues I am just that.

Like Montaigne, my MO is to question everything…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
6:46 pm

Obamabots exclaim “Yeahhhh”.

And there’s the same sign.

Ol' Timer

February 13th, 2013
6:47 pm

These ol’ boys just have a hard time facing reality as they play their one string rhapsody of cutting taxes: tax revenues, as a percentage of GDP, are at a 60 year low.

If you’re up against a hard place financially, you’d obviously want to cut down on your spending; but if you’ve got an IQ of 49 you’d realize that you need to get a part-time job or do something to increase your income, too!

I just don’t understand why these ol’ boys don’t see that unless they’re idiots. And, that’s one of the main problems facing the Republican Party: they’ve got to quit running and electing idiots who then make a career out of saying stupid stuff if they want to be relevant.

And, so it goes. . . .

USA Patriot

February 13th, 2013
6:47 pm

Yep, for the lib’s one has to show pictures (skewed nonetheless) so they can, somehow, comprehend. But, I digress!

Carry on! Jackwagon’s!

Stevie Ray the freshly minted bleeding heart liberal!

February 13th, 2013
6:48 pm

“Won’t add one dime to the deficit”

Whew, that’s a relief.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 13th, 2013
6:48 pm

Well, looks like about a dozen Atlanta area cops are ruint for life. They’ve been caught working to protect drug dealers. By the time prosecutors are finished with them they’ll be in prison and never able to get a decent job again. You take a good old boy that never had anything and give him a badge and a gun. Then he’s offered more money than he’s ever seen at one time in his life to kinda look the other way. What happened is about what you would expect.

It’s about time we took another look at these drug laws, in my opinion, and stop sending 20-year-olds for a stretch in the pen. Get the big money out of pot and speed and stuff like that. The big money’s there because we’ve passed laws to make it a crime to have the stuff.

I’m just a old redneck getting older by the day and I might not live to see it, but one day we’ll start using some common sense about the street drugs. Have a good night everybody.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
6:50 pm

…most legitimate news outlets are covering the outright lies he told.

The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.

Doggone/GA

February 13th, 2013
6:50 pm

“Won’t add one dime to the deficit”

Yeah, well when *I* hear someone say something like that I take it maybe too literally. It won’t add ONE dime..but it might add millions.

Brosephus™

February 13th, 2013
6:50 pm

Your constant, ready and often spirited defense of Obama make you an Obama bot – your denial notwithstanding. Go try to dupe someone else into believing your BS.

Two words for you, Cochise… Prove it!!

Link and post my supposed spirited defense of Obama, especially the parts where I give him credit for having less spine than a sour gummi bear. You obviously have me confused with someone else.

However, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and proclaim you correct when you provide proof of my spirited defense of Obama. Don’t keep us waiting all night, K?

————–

Doom

Re those players, they get what they deserve. Playing football on the collegiate level isn’t a right, it’s a privilege. When you f**k up, you have nobody but yourself to blame. Sucks that they would throw away their chance at getting a higher education, but it’s obvious that they didn’t want it anyway. You can’t make someone take something, even if you give it freely.

————–

Then the comparison to the outside world is a great benchmark?

Yep. It’s just like being chased by a bear. You don’t necessarily have to be the fastest, but you only have to be faster than the slowest guy. Comparing us against everyone else, we’re the fastest. If you simply try to compare to yourself, you’ll never be “good enough”.

clearly we set a great example with our warmongering, fiscal discipline, and violent culture. Why would anyone emulate that?

People will emulate that because we’re F**kin’ America, that’s why. Why do you think people are still sinking funds into US Treasuries, even with all this BS about our financial stability? When the sh*t hits the fan, nobody else steps up to the plate like we do, and everybody else in this world knows it. Whether you want to admit it or not, the signs are all right in front of you. They were there when Reagan was in office, when Bush was in office, and even now. If you don’t want to see it, I can’t make you see it.

StopTheMadness

February 13th, 2013
6:50 pm

“And there’s the same sign.”

And here is even more stupidity on display. Duh…duh…duh….duh…and…there’s…the…same…sign. Talk much?

josef

February 13th, 2013
6:51 pm

SINKWICH

Post at what time…?

Brosephus™

February 13th, 2013
6:52 pm

Being called names is the most sincere form of flattery on forums like this…

You see it that way, I see it as a limited mind trying to expound beyond it’s capabilities.

:)

JamVet

February 13th, 2013
6:52 pm

Mama, the funniest part of your “analysis”, is that it would get laughed out of the ninth grade.

Seriously.

But apparently it makes you feel better, so carry on!

Just keep losing and trying to figure it out…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
6:53 pm

Thulsa Doom-“Nothing I’m proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime,”

February 13th, 2013
6:54 pm

Not one dime. Still laughing.

Latrina

February 13th, 2013
6:54 pm

There is nothing…nothing…that Sen. Rubio or any other R can ever say or do that’ll win back the legions of ex-GOPers like me. The memories of the toxic Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld etal regime will last a lifetime.

If the current President will try to govern from somewhere near the middle, and if he can avoid the temptation to lurch too far to the left, he’ll harvest more converts than he can imagine.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
6:54 pm

And here is even more stupidity on display.

Continuing to display the same sign.

F. Sinkwich

February 13th, 2013
6:55 pm

getalife

February 13th, 2013
6:56 pm

I think the only way to “fix” the gop is for the gop to surrender to our President, apologize and get out of the way of free commerce..

josef

February 13th, 2013
6:58 pm

SINKWICH

Not sure what that has to do with the question about the poor not breeding…

комиссар (Occupation)

February 13th, 2013
7:00 pm

Mama says: “Take the money from the rich.

The hard part for a liberal to swallow however is the fact that there is nothing in the constitution or our form of government that even hints at this being a legal solution to the problem.”

The rich spend their time expropriating wealth from the bulk of the population, so why the hell not take it from them?

So do tell us how a progressive tax system, just to take one example, such as the one we’ve had, in principle at least, for a long time now in this country, is unconstitutional? Where in the constipation I mean constitution does it lay out that progressive taxation, for example, or doing some of the things Roosevelt did and putting every willing and able-bodied person directly to work on government-run projects is unconstitutional.

Can’t wait for your answers, oh scholar.

StopTheMadness

February 13th, 2013
7:00 pm

“Continuing to display the same sign.”

Continuing to display even more stupidity.

Thulsa Doom-“Nothing I’m proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime,”

February 13th, 2013
7:00 pm

Someone say deficits?

“Right now, deficits don’t matter” – Paul Krugman

Mama Says

February 13th, 2013
7:02 pm

Well Ole timer your partially right. At least you would stop spending

Yahoo and NBC are hardly smoking clouds

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
7:03 pm

the freshly minted bleeding heart liberal!

Hey, I learned today that I a) never graduated from high school and b) probably declared bankruptcy at some point in my life.

(I vastly preferred being Spokesman for Black America, but you take what you can get.)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
7:03 pm

USA Patriot

February 13th, 2013
7:04 pm

Okay, so you have about a dozen JB suckup’s on this site that have no interest beingi “engaged” in discussion about issues. Challenge ‘em, name calling; facts; name calling. God forbid, don’t make any hit on the, how was it JB put it?, Oh yeah, the skinny black man, AKA POTUS.

TaxPayer

February 13th, 2013
7:04 pm

I see the resident Republicans are still trying to cope with losing for FOUR MORE YEARS.

комиссар (Occupation)

February 13th, 2013
7:04 pm

Latrina: “If the current President will try to govern from somewhere near the middle”

No problem there. He’s governed from the center to the center-right for the duration of his time in office, with no evidence of any major change of course in the future in sight, some negligible rhetorical gestures of recent weeks notwithstanding.

“and if he can avoid the temptation to lurch too far to the left, he’ll harvest more converts than he can imagine”

Avoid the temptation? What temptation? Again, he’s resisted any such temptation from the start of his time in office and has never wavered from it. So no worries there. If you want an Obama that’s solidly to the center and more likely to trend right than get any ideas about a turn ‘left’, well, then THIS is the president for you!

josef

February 13th, 2013
7:05 pm

SFD

I’m a home-schooled, Christian Academy-educated Mormon! :-)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
7:05 pm

Challenge ‘em, name calling; facts; name calling.

Ann Coulter says, “What?”

JamVet

February 13th, 2013
7:06 pm

stands, your curriculum vitae grows more impressive every week!

josef

February 13th, 2013
7:06 pm

SFD

Oh, and I almost forgot…I live under a bridge on Georgia 400…

F. Sinkwich

February 13th, 2013
7:07 pm

“Not sure what that has to do with the question about the poor not breeding…”

It doesn’t, but it has a lot to do with lib ilk debate.

It’s over your head.

Sorry.

Soothsayer

February 13th, 2013
7:08 pm

“You take a good old boy that never had anything and give him a badge and a gun. Then he’s offered more money than he’s ever seen at one time in his life to kinda look the other way. What happened is about what you would expect.”

Not to mention threatening to kill their wives and children.

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
7:08 pm

Yep, for the lib’s one has to show pictures (skewed nonetheless) so they can, somehow, comprehend. But, I digress!

That’s got to be my favoritist anti-Bookman riff. the notion that he uses too gosh-darn many graphs and charts. Because it’s (apparently) cray-cray to present statistical information in graphic form, particularly when discussing economic issues.

Thulsa Doom-“Nothing I’m proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime,”

February 13th, 2013
7:09 pm

“Re those players, they get what they deserve. Playing football on the collegiate level isn’t a right, it’s a privilege. When you f**k up, you have nobody but yourself to blame.”

I hear ha Bro. It just sucks to see a poor choice like that pretty much ruin their lives. At least 2 and maybe 3 of those 4 would have maybe ended up playing on Sundays. Now they’ll be heading to jail instead.

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
7:09 pm

And while I’m ranting about pet peeves…

for the lib’s

where ARE these people taught to pluralize using a flippin’ apostrophe?

josef

February 13th, 2013
7:10 pm

SINKWICH

All I did was ask a question. So far, no answer…

Jerome Horwitz

February 13th, 2013
7:10 pm

Kam – Good match between the Red Devils and Real Madrid this afternoon. Dejea was lights out.

Mama Says

February 13th, 2013
7:10 pm

Occupation,

You are an idiot !

Sorry but that’s what you are. First of all you degraded the constitution in your response, which is exactly the point cons are making about you extreme left wing socialist then you actually believe that the constitution allows for total impoundment of our property.

Tell me, where does it stop ? If you can take 70% why not 100%

The entire tax argument is BS because its the government who is ruling on the governments legal right to take our stuff. Only a weak minded fool would argue that it’s constitutional without seeing that you are saying the government can take everything.

Tell me how mush can the government take from us and keep in line with the founding principles ?

StopTheMadness

February 13th, 2013
7:10 pm

“U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio may have had an awkward, amateurish moment in his rebuttal to the State of the Union last night — grace under pressure it was not — but it’s nothing that will do permanent damage to his career.”

If this is an allusion to Rubio’s reaching for a bottle of water, then it is a truly dumb way to start off a column hoping it will be taken seriously. But at least Mr. Bookman is not expressly not as stupid as Wolf Blitzer:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matt-hadro/2013/02/13/cnn-absurdly-asks-if-rubios-sip-water-was-career-ender

I must say that Mr. Bookman is not quite as stupid as Wolf Blitzer, but he nonetheless should be

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
7:11 pm

home-schooled, Christian Academy-educated Mormon

Isn’t that an Olympic gymnastic event?

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
7:12 pm

So Bros, still waiting on ABS #1 to make an entrance, are we?

StopTheMadness

February 13th, 2013
7:12 pm

Boy, do I ever feel comforted:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/13/faa-official-no-armed-drones-us/

For we all know how well the gubmint keeps its word.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
7:13 pm

(skewed nonetheless)

Birthers and skewers and ringers, OH MY!

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
7:13 pm

Speaking of gymnastics, watching our right-leaning brain trust trying to spin something positive for their side after last night’s festivities… most entertaining.

josef

February 13th, 2013
7:14 pm

STOP THE MADNESS..

“Mr. Bookman is not expressly not as stupid as Wolf Blitzer:”

Sic?

SFD

Hmmm…hadn’t thought of that! :-)

Thulsa Doom-“Nothing I’m proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime,”

February 13th, 2013
7:14 pm

“Because it’s (apparently) cray-cray to present statistical information in graphic form, particularly when discussing economic issues.”

And if you noticed from past discussions regarding graphs and economic issues its usually just the cons doing the discussing. The libs are usually strangely silent.

Soothsayer

February 13th, 2013
7:14 pm

The State has two core mandates: enable and enforce quasi-monopolies and cartels for private capital, and satisfy enough of the citizenry’s unlimited demands for more services and economic security to provide political stability and thus maintain State/cadre/Aristocratic power.

If the State fails to maintain monopolistic cartels, profit margins plummet and capital is unable to maintain its spending on investment and labor. Simply put, the economy tanks as profits, investment and growth all stagnate.

If the State fails to satisfy enough of the citizenry’s unlimited demands for more of everything, it risks social instability.

That is the nation-state’s quandary everywhere. With growth slowing and parasitic monopolies increasingly difficult to maintain and justify, the State has less tax income to fund its ever-expanding social spending.

In response, the State raises taxes and borrows the difference between its spending and its revenues. This further squeezes spending as the cost of servicing debt rises along with the debt.

In the conventional view, global capital lowers its costs and therefore increases its profits by shifting production to locales with lower labor costs, few environmental restrictions and low taxes (or an affordable bribe structure).

When global capital runs out of low-cost labor opportunities, profit margins decline and the jig is up.

For those with a minute or two, this is a great illuminating article by one of the greatest authors of our time.

TaxPayer

February 13th, 2013
7:15 pm

Poor cons. If only they were able to do math and science, then they could contribute to a discussion involving graphs and such.

Thulsa Doom-“Nothing I’m proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime,”

February 13th, 2013
7:15 pm

“Speaking of gymnastics, watching our right-leaning brain trust trying to spin something positive for their side after last night’s festivities… most entertaining.”

There’s nothing for us to spin. Factcheck already called BS on Obama.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
7:16 pm

Jerome

I see y’all got that all important away goal.

Congrats.

We’re in the consolation Europa League, away against Prague tomorrow.

Mama Says

February 13th, 2013
7:16 pm

Go ahead folks completely ignore the lies your guy told. Focus on the water bottle, it’s easier for you brain washed leftist

barking frog

February 13th, 2013
7:16 pm

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
7:16 pm

Poor cons. If only they were able to do math and science, then they could contribute to a discussion involving graphs and such.

so we can pick the colors?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
7:17 pm

The Moonie Times.

There’s your sign.

DownInAlbany

February 13th, 2013
7:18 pm

Thulsa Doom

February 13th, 2013
6:29 pm
Oh noes! Say it aint so. The Dem leaders were lying about Iraq having WMDs! Soooo many more quotes. So little time.

I guess Bush lied to them all and fooled them! Who’s the stupid party now?

Thulsa Doom-“Nothing I’m proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime,”

February 13th, 2013
7:19 pm

“Poor cons. If only they were able to do math and science, then they could contribute to a discussion involving graphs and such.”

Because the libs on here are all scientists, mathematicians, statisticians, economists, and super duper geniuses. Sorta like Rain Man I guess-cept without the math skills.

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
7:19 pm

Barking, I was so hoping that link would re-direct to the Hemlock Society.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
7:20 pm

FEDS PROMISE NO ARMED DRONES IN USA…

drudgey spam.

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
7:21 pm

Tell me how mush can the government take from us

Is someone transcribing your drunken rants phonetically?

Brosephus™

February 13th, 2013
7:21 pm

Doom

I don’t feel anything for them. Life is a series of choices, and we have to live with the decisions we make. Hopefully, they will learn from this, and others who see this will learn from their mistakes.

—————–

dB

Still waiting patiently. Seems like #2 will be named “does not play well with others” based on actions, or inactions, during doctor visits. You will always be SfBA to me.

:)

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
7:22 pm

About that Gallup poll showing only 35% approval of how Obama’s “handling the deficit”–I too, strongly disapprove.

I think he should handle it by Sing TFU about it in his SOTU addresses, since it’s not something we should especially care about at the moment.

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
7:23 pm

FEDS PROMISE NO ARMED DRONES IN USA…

they’ve obviously never been to one of my family reunions

barking frog

February 13th, 2013
7:23 pm

sfd
no need for such drastic measures..

JamVet

February 13th, 2013
7:23 pm

What water bottle?

That guy looked like a punch drunk drunk reaching for the vodka!

Stay losers, my friends.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtA2u3uhi2U

guy

February 13th, 2013
7:24 pm

obama,you lie! cons and crats,you lie! All of us are up do do creek without a paddle! Just wait and see.

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
7:25 pm

The Dem leaders were lying about Iraq having WMDs!

Pretty much. Fortunately, Democratic primary voters punished one of them by denying her the Presidential nomination, in 2008. We’re slow, but we eventually figure it out.

Thulsa Doom-“Nothing I’m proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime,”

February 13th, 2013
7:25 pm

“I guess Bush lied to them all and fooled them! Who’s the stupid party now?”

The idiot beat them in 2 elections too. I guess if the Rs are the stupid party then the Ds are the stupider party.

DownInAlbany

February 13th, 2013
7:25 pm

Doggone/GA

February 13th, 2013
6:50 pm
“Won’t add one dime to the deficit”

Yeah, well when *I* hear someone say something like that I take it maybe too literally. It won’t add ONE dime..but it might add millions.

Actually, I think he said “should” not add one dime…
Big difference!

TaxPayer

February 13th, 2013
7:26 pm

Because the libs on here are all scientists, mathematicians, statisticians, economists, and super duper geniuses.

Well, yes, there is that.

guy

February 13th, 2013
7:28 pm

JamVet,he may have looked like a punch drunk but you support someone who is like a catfish.He’s all mouth and full of do do! Choose your poison!

F. Sinkwich

February 13th, 2013
7:28 pm

“Because the libs on here are all scientists, mathematicians, statisticians, economists, and super duper geniuses.”

Not so much.

If they went to college, it was English Lit.

But mostly they majored in victimhood since day one…

That Black Guy

February 13th, 2013
7:30 pm

Thulsa Doom

February 13th, 2013
5:40 pm
“I get what you are saying, but I was on that day, and Doom in no way, shape, or form was applauding the shooting of the children in Newtown, which is what the dog (the cat) accused him of.”

that black guy,

As you’ve said before you definitely don’t like my politics. But that’s cool with me since you’re at least fair and honest about what is and isn’t said. I can’t say the same for the kreep or the dog(the cat).
____________________________________
Doomy, I never said I didn’t *like* your politics. I just don’t always *agree* with them.

That said, you’re a funny guy. Anyone who can come up with “you peanut headed ensemble of nature’s carelessness” can’t be all bad. :lol:

Kris

February 13th, 2013
7:31 pm

A simple Plea to the people in Washington.

I am just a simple man with a simple dream. My plea is for someone, one of you, anybody to help me realize my dreams of this great country.

I dream of individual rights that allow me to own my own home without being annexed into a city by ordinance rather than referendum.

The ability to buy a hundred watt light bulb that reads “made in America”.

I long for the time I can stroll down the aisles at Wal-Mart and see more items made in America than made in China.

I want to choose to wear a motorcycle helmet or not, choose to wear a seat belt or not.

I would also like my school to teach reading, writing and arithmetic after a pledge to the flag and morning devotional.

It’s also important that my daughter has some Social Security benefit when she retires.

The ability to fill my truck with gas without a credit union loan.

To open my phone bill and see two lines, one for service rendered and one for tax.

Each and every day seems more and more restrictive than free to old timers like me. Good intention is always appreciated but not always good. America seemed at her best when each of us was responsible for ourselves. I am willing to once again assume responsibility for my own self. There may be others who would as well.
I have already started by balancing my own budget.

Biden/Clinton 2016 (pick a Clinton) 2016

Clinton (pick a clinton)/ Biden 2016

Deal out 2014

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
7:31 pm

CNN: DID SIP SLIP END RUBIO CAREER?

More drudgey spam.

TaxPayer

February 13th, 2013
7:31 pm

I heard the cons are not participating in the economic recovery. That’s really sad. For someone. Probably a con.

Thulsa Doom-“Nothing I’m proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime,”

February 13th, 2013
7:32 pm

Bro,

You’re a little more hard core than me man. I feel for them because they had their whole lives in front of them, they had a great opportunity to have so much, and they just plain blew it. Its got to hurt for their families and when they have time to think about the repercussions of their decision they’re gonna feel just plain horrible. I just hate to see youngsters ruin such a great opportunity. Anyway enough about that. Life goes on and hopefully they will get a second chance and make the most of it.

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
7:32 pm

Well, yes, there is that.

if there was a like button

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
7:32 pm

But mostly they majored in victimhood since day one

Victimhood?

Let us, once again, quote Marco Rubio:

But any time anyone opposes the President’s agenda, he and his allies usually respond by falsely attacking their motives.

When we point out that no matter how many job-killing laws we pass, our government can’t control the weather – he accuses us of wanting dirty water and dirty air.

When we suggest we strengthen our safety net programs by giving states more flexibility to manage them – he accuses us of wanting to leave the elderly and disabled to fend for themselves.

And tonight, he even criticized us for refusing to raise taxes to delay military cuts – cuts that were his idea in the first place. But his favorite attack of all is that those who don’t agree with him – they only care about rich people.

heh, heh, heh.

Doggone/GA

February 13th, 2013
7:33 pm

“Actually, I think he said “should” not add one dime…
Big difference!”

No difference as far as MY reaction is concerned.

josef

February 13th, 2013
7:33 pm

SINWICH

It might have helped had you taken a few English Lit classes, a couple of history classes or such…then you might not be so, well, repetitious and dull witted…

Go over to Kyle’s and take a few hints from Sister Dusty…she can cut to shreds an argument or a jackass with a few well chosen quotes from the master’s…

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
7:36 pm

she can cut to shreds an argument or a jackass with a few well chosen quotes

She’s all right sometimes. Kinda miss her here.

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
7:37 pm

“Actually, I think he said “should” not add one dime…
Big difference!”

do you read standards?…..should or shall and may and must

Mama Says

February 13th, 2013
7:37 pm

Hey Decibels you Vet leave me alone.

I finally found someone on your side who admits what your side thinks. The constitution allows for the Feds to take all of our stuff.

Plus I ain’t drunk, just a bad typist

Thulsa Doom-“Nothing I’m proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime,”

February 13th, 2013
7:38 pm

“I heard the cons are not participating in the economic recovery. That’s really sad. For someone. Probably a con.”

No doubt. I’m certain most of the unemployed and the folks losing their houses are cons. kd. Uh huh. Sure buddy. And I’m sure most of those folks on food stamps are cons also. And I’m sure the neighborhoods with the most people out of work are all con neighborhoods also. kd. Hilarious!

F. Sinkwich

February 13th, 2013
7:38 pm

sfd, see my 6:15.

Truth hurts you lib ilks, but too bad, so sad.

Mama Says

February 13th, 2013
7:39 pm

How bout this qoute, ok maybe a paraphrase.

The economy has added 6.2 million new jobs.

Now was that a lie ? We all know that’s not true. What is it if its not true ?

TaxPayer

February 13th, 2013
7:40 pm

Well, if the cons are actually participating in the economic recovery, I would never be able to discern it from the comments they post here. Just sayin’… hilarious, that is.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
7:40 pm

We all know that’s not true.

Who exactly, appointed you spokesperson for “all”?

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
7:42 pm

apropos of nothing, but whose brother-in-law does the Ingles tv ads?

fuggggly.

josef

February 13th, 2013
7:42 pm

SFD

Yeah, I miss her, too. I go over to Kyle’s ever so often to have a pleasant chat with her and some of the others. She and I tangled on politics here a lot with no holds barred and going for the jugular, but when it comes to culchuh, I really do enjoy an exchange with her…

Mama Says

February 13th, 2013
7:42 pm

Ok here we are.

Obama cannot run again, the peace loving libs are happy, libs are calling for civil discourse. Oh what happy times !

Wait is that a legitimate republican candidate ? He is a racist drunk !

Damn cons all they do is attack us

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 13th, 2013
7:42 pm

In its quantification of the key elements of the speech, the paper’s editors apparently couldn’t see or hear or speak of the nearly 10% of the State of the Union address devoted to climate and energy. But, hey, Obama devoted 3% of the speech to immigration — that’s news!

Mama Says

February 13th, 2013
7:43 pm

Awesome response Kam. Get me with the “who elected you” stuff.

How about the question has Obama added 6.2 million new jobs ?

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
7:43 pm

Well, if the cons are actually participating in the economic recovery

and who do you think is making big bucks off of the “recovery”?

Brosephus™

February 13th, 2013
7:44 pm

You’re a little more hard core than me man.

Remember that the next time you think about labeling me a liberal. :)

In all seriousness though, I was brought up with the mentality that you don’t get many opportunities like that. When you get one, you have to take full advantage of it because people are not just gonna keep handing them to you. I may seem a bit harsh, but I grew up with the “you have to be twice as good as the next person” mentality.

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
7:44 pm

the peace loving libs are happy

Peaceful libs, pls refudiate!

saywhat?

February 13th, 2013
7:45 pm

If President Obama had awkwardly reached for a bottle of water in the middle of the SOTU, the Republicans in the Senate would have held up any further Presidential nomination hearings until they go to the bottom of “Water(bottle)gate”.

Mama Says

February 13th, 2013
7:46 pm

Aren’t libs the peaceful folks ? I mean they only consider character assassination a mean thing when cons are doing it, I figure they are the loving, peaceful folks.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
7:46 pm

How about the question has Obama added 6.2 million new jobs ?

How about the question who appointed you spokesperson for all?

You assumed the authority, you back it up.

barking frog

February 13th, 2013
7:46 pm

The President lies in front of millions. Anonymous bloggers
tell the truth. What is the probability of those two statements
being true ?

JamVet

February 13th, 2013
7:47 pm

As Joni Mitchell wrote,

And maybe it’s the time of year, yes, said maybe it’s the time of man.
And I don’t know who I am but life is for learning.

How could I have known during those years of the Lost Decade that in the big picture that the elections of George Bush and Dick Cheney, along with the rise of neoconservatism would turn out to be the greatest thing that ever happened to the modern United States of America.

Ask John McCain and Willard Romney.

And as much as the neocons and trickle downers desperately want it to just go away, that toxic legacy and the deadly results will be around with us for a long, long time.

So now we have this new rube-e-oh on the scene who actually said “And so I think that George W. Bush, in my opinion, did a fantastic job as president over eight years…”.

Wow, talk about committing public political hari kari!

This one sentence alone assures that this poor soul will never be elected to any national office. Ever.

And until somebody in that party can speak the truth about the consummate failures of Bush/Cheney, their chances of retaking the White House in the next 12 years are slim to none…

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
7:48 pm

frog – 50/50

josef

February 13th, 2013
7:48 pm

BROSEPHUS

“you have to be twice as good as the next person” mentality.”

Me. too. Granddaddy used to say that “we” had to take three steps to get as far as “they” get with one. Plenty of times, though, we get two steps ahead…

Mama Says

February 13th, 2013
7:49 pm

Come on guys you have to be kidding. If Obama had held up a bottle do water the media would report that sales doubled for the water bottler.

The actual bottle would have been rushed to the museum and we would have had to hear about how smooth he sips

barking frog

February 13th, 2013
7:49 pm

Erwin’s cat 7:48
works for me….

Thulsa Doom-“Nothing I’m proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime,”

February 13th, 2013
7:49 pm

“That said, you’re a funny guy. Anyone who can come up with “you peanut headed ensemble of nature’s carelessness” can’t be all bad.”

that black guy,

Don’t get me started. I got a vast repertoire of saved up insults. So just remember that you snaggly toothed smelly fish funk fart knocker giraffe’s ass! JK

Mama Says

February 13th, 2013
7:49 pm

Kam,

Talking to you is pointless

TaxPayer

February 13th, 2013
7:50 pm

and who do you think is making big bucks off of the “recovery”?

I don’t know. I seem to be getting mixed signals now from you cons. Are you cons participating in the economic recovery or still waiting for a job to come along or what. You have not heard me complain about my non-government income. In fact, I think I might have to pay more taxes even though my tax rates are unchanged and my tax deductions are unchanged. A con would likely look at that and gasp, “Oh my, you have to pay more taxes,” while I grin and say, “Oh my, I made that much more.” Whatever floats your boat though.

USA Patriot

February 13th, 2013
7:50 pm

Okay, so the skinny “black” guy (aka POTUS per JB) spouted all these lies last night, and the lemmings are saying “Rock on King”, though he has no clothes (save MEEEEshaalls bought by the taxpayers). Empty suite from the community organizer from Chicago…..oh, you realize Chicago is now the murder capital of the US.

What a bunch of crap this guy, and his followers are!

Doggone/GA

February 13th, 2013
7:50 pm

“The President lies in front of millions. Anonymous bloggers
tell the truth. What is the probability of those two statements
being true ?”

They aren’t mutually exclusive

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
7:51 pm

this new rube-e-oh on the scene who actually said

meh, rookie mistake, he’s got time to live that one down.

Fred ™

February 13th, 2013
7:51 pm

USA Patriot isn’t one. Far from it.

barking frog

February 13th, 2013
7:52 pm

Mama Says
Talking to you is pointless
…………………………………….
then you should make some points….

Thulsa Doom-“Nothing I’m proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime,”

February 13th, 2013
7:52 pm

Mama says,

Factcheck pretty much laid waste to the 6.2 million jobs claim. More like 1 million and something.

Mama Says

February 13th, 2013
7:52 pm

Again,

Libs dedicate an entire blog to Rubio just after Obama speaks.

That should tell you something folks.

Either you are tired of your guys pointless babble or you are scared of Rubio, either way its not good news for your party

Fred ™

February 13th, 2013
7:53 pm

USA Patriot embarrasses me. People from other countries may read his treasonous Americans hating words and get the wrong impression about us…….

USA Patriot

February 13th, 2013
7:53 pm

Hey, Fred (or is it FRED?) FO!

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
7:53 pm

the lemmings are saying “Rock on King”, though he has no clothes (save MEEEEshaalls bought by the taxpayers). Empty suite from the community organizer from Chicago…..

Help is available if you are willing to change.

Mama Says

February 13th, 2013
7:53 pm

Yeah I know Tulsa,

You can’t get them to say it though. Bush lied though

Fred ™

February 13th, 2013
7:53 pm

Just damn American Patriot. Why do you hate pour Country so much?

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
7:54 pm

That said, you’re a funny guy.

I’m reminded of Joe Pesci

JamVet

February 13th, 2013
7:54 pm

No, stands, if he decides to run for POTUS, that video will go viral.

He is as dead as Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry and Mitt Romney now.

And given that insane statement, I have to again question if it is water in that bottle!

Brosephus™

February 13th, 2013
7:54 pm

josef

I remember those lessons well. You know the princess is already learning herself.

Good thing I’m not a liberal as I didn’t watch that stuff last night, and I don’t give a flying rat’s ass about someone drinking water during a speech. I’ve seen many preachers drinking water during their sermon, and I don’t recall it affecting the message they delivered.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
7:55 pm

Fred

You get the dryer fixed?

Thulsa Doom-“Nothing I’m proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime,”

February 13th, 2013
7:55 pm

Mama Says
February 13th, 2013
7:49 pm

“Kam,

Talking to you is pointless”

Mama says,

There universal truths in life. And you’ve just learned one of em.

Fred ™

February 13th, 2013
7:56 pm

What witty words USA TRAITOR. FO. Ho Ho Ho, you are so funny. You have so much wisdom to add here.

Does it make you feel powerful to attack the President’s wife? When you post that crap about her, it’s almost as good as the feeling you get when you beat a woman isn’t it? Or maybe when you bum rush a darkie eh? Gives you that warm fuzzy……… what a “patriot.”

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
7:56 pm

And given that insane statement, I have to again question if it is water in that bottle!

Given his roots, I’d guess clear rum.

Fred ™

February 13th, 2013
7:57 pm

LOL Kam. The dryer WAS fixed, the part we got was for the washer and no I haven’t installed it yet. You want to come help us tote it up the stairs tomorrow?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
7:57 pm

barking frog

February 13th, 2013
7:57 pm

Doggone/GA

February 13th, 2013
7:50 pm

“The President lies in front of millions. Anonymous bloggers
tell the truth. What is the probability of those two statements
being true ?”

They aren’t mutually exclusive
……………………………………………………………
They aren’t mutually inclusive either but they can
have the same probability, or not.

Thulsa Doom-“Nothing I’m proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime,”

February 13th, 2013
7:58 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
7:58 pm

You want to come help us tote it up the stairs tomorrow?

Will all five co-eds be there, disheveled and half-dressed after a pillow fight?

Fred ™

February 13th, 2013
7:58 pm

I’ve seen many preachers drinking water during their sermon, and I don’t recall it affecting the message they delivered.

Did they sound like a hog at a trough doing it? Rubio did.

stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
7:58 pm

People from other countries may read his treasonous Americans hating words and get the wrong impression about us…

Jackassery knows no nationality. no color, no creed.

josef

February 13th, 2013
7:59 pm

FRED

Where you been? Good to see ya!

Fred ™

February 13th, 2013
8:00 pm

Kam; I SHOULD say yes as at least one of them is VERY hot. She looks like Daryl Hannah when Daryl was young lol. But alas, I think they all bat for the other team. you can look but it won’t do you any good ………..

USA Patriot

February 13th, 2013
8:03 pm

Fred, that’s difference between us. We see a different kind of country.

That’s okay, or it used to be. Now the libs don’t want ANY opposition. Sad, thought this was a country of ideas.

barking frog

February 13th, 2013
8:03 pm

Fred™
you can look but it won’t do you any good ………..
……………………………………………………..
millions of porn fans say what?

Fred ™

February 13th, 2013
8:03 pm

josef…….. Où ai-je été mon ami ? Vous savez où. Et vous ne m’avez jamais envoyé une pleine explication de notre dernière correspondance vous enfant mauvais.

Soothsayer

February 13th, 2013
8:04 pm

josef

February 13th, 2013
8:04 pm

BROSEPHUS

Best lesson I ever learned…

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
8:06 pm

In fact, I think

we “cons” are just like you….we think we know, we don’t always know…but we don’t pretend to know either (well the respectable ones anyway)…i seriously try not to have a partisan opinion….i generally don’t fit median metrics…good or bad…but this “con” has his own opinion based on my own research and conclusion…am i wrong?…maybe, but being wrong is part of who i am, and my profession …there is no shame in being wrong and will own up to it when required…..respectfully…a “con”

Fred ™

February 13th, 2013
8:06 pm

USA Patriot

February 13th, 2013
8:03 pm

Fred, that’s difference between us. We see a different kind of country.

That’s okay, or it used to be. Now the libs don’t want ANY opposition. Sad, thought this was a country of ideas.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Yeah no kidding, then that Druggie Rush and FOX started brainwashing all you idiots and you no longer have ideas, just bumper sticker phrases and lies to toss out. I’m surprised you admit that……..

Are you going to start thinking for yourself and post something original for an change?

Thulsa Doom-“Nothing I’m proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime,”

February 13th, 2013
8:06 pm

“Jackassery knows no nationality. no color, no creed.”

But it does know the D party better than anything else.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 13th, 2013
8:08 pm

OBAMA: “After years of grueling recession, our businesses have created over 6 million new jobs.”

THE FACTS: That’s in the ballpark, as far as it goes. But Obama starts his count not when he took office, but from the point in his first term when job losses were the highest. In doing so, he ignores the 5 million or so jobs that were lost on his watch, up to that point.

Private sector jobs have grown by 6.1 million since February 2010. But since he became president, the gain is a more modest 1.9 million.

And when losses in public sector employment are added to the mix, his overall jobs record is a gain of 1.2 million.
_____________________

Well even giving the Post the assertion that somehow 5+ million were lost on “Obamas watch” when he took over in the midst of a major recession, and somehow blaming state job losses from Republican state legislatures (not to mention the cave in to idiot republican demands that the stimuluous include tax credits), seems like only a jackarse would say that 6+ million were not created by trying to offset losses from Republican stupidity.

zeke

February 13th, 2013
8:08 pm

These graphs mean absolutely nothing! Just like the constant rant that we are not taxed too much because we on pay X% of GDP! % of GDP has no relevance except in the amount of government spending! And with TRILLION DOLLAR PLUS DEFICITS, IT IS OBVIOUS WE ARE SPENDING WAY TOO MUCH! And various socialist giveaway program are a feel good, a panacea, they are useless and not relevant! SS and Medicare are not entitlements due to the government forcing every worker and their employer to pay a tax for them! Other things like unemployment payments and head start are drastic failures! Unemployment system is just another redistribution scheme totally funded by employers, when, as an insurance against being unemployed it should be paid by employees! And head start? An utter waste of taxpayer money! And how can any individual, insignificant as we are in the whole thing, think that they/we can affect the climate cycles of the Earth that have been ongoing since the beginning of time!

Thulsa Doom-“Nothing I’m proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime,”

February 13th, 2013
8:10 pm

Good grief. The libs are reduced to the point of complaining about someone drinking from a water bottle? Geez.

Fred ™

February 13th, 2013
8:11 pm

Keep, we were KIND OF up your way today at this place for lunch ( http://www.boudreauxscajun.com/cafe.htm ) I started to call you to see if you wanted to join us, but I didn’t now exactly when we would get there. It was pretty good. I had about the first authentic roast beef po’boy I’ve had in 25 years……….

F. Sinkwich

February 13th, 2013
8:11 pm

“33.5 million Americans watched President Obama´s State of the Union address last night, the lowest turnout since President Bill Clinton´s final State of the Union address in 2000, according to newly released Nielsen ratings. Obama´s totals also marked a significant decline from the first second-term addresses of his predecessors.”

Bummer. Words of wisdom wasted.

Sadly, I was one of those who watched…

I’m so ashamed.

josef

February 13th, 2013
8:12 pm

FRED

Excuse-moi. Qu’est-ce que serait cette correspondance?

F. Sinkwich

February 13th, 2013
8:14 pm

josef does French.

Shocked.

Brosephus™

February 13th, 2013
8:15 pm

Fred

I didn’t even bother to look at that Rubio clip. If the biggest thing the media and people could find to talk about was him drinking water, that made me think that his message was cut and paste GOP talking points or he was so dull that the speech wasn’t worth critique.

—————-

josef

Same here. No textbook in the world could ever deliver such a lesson.

USA Patriot

February 13th, 2013
8:17 pm

Sure, Fred, since you asked. Never said anything I didn’t believe in nor from someone else. That being said, You, sir, are one of the people that scare the sh$t out of MOST people in this country!

You appear to be passionate about your position’s (God love America!) and can’t debate in an intelligent manner.

The part that scares me most, is you dropped some “bombs” in this country. We’re Fu$cked!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 13th, 2013
8:19 pm

Fred, have not been there but worth a try. I was following up this afternoon with some work with some law enforcement on scammers and how to stop them.

Fred ™

February 13th, 2013
8:19 pm

Josef: I guess I don’t know lol. Apparently I was mistaken. For some reason I thought I had axed you a question but upon re-reading I didn’t.

Did you ever go get any crawfish?

moonbat betty

February 13th, 2013
8:20 pm

“I didn’t even bother to look at that Rubio clip. If the biggest thing the media and people could find to talk about was him drinking water,”

Bro, you gotta see it!

I don’t care who you are, that funny at first glance.

I hope Obama lights up a cigarette in the middle of his next speech.

josef

February 13th, 2013
8:20 pm

SINKWICH

Shocked? Why?

Get Real

February 13th, 2013
8:20 pm

The libs are scarred to death of Rubio so let’s see, not discuss his ideas and his terrific response to Obama’s speech. No, let’s talk about the man drinking some water during his talk….wow…I hope the 51% of the country that voted for Obama are not as infantile and dense as the libbies on this blog…

That Black Guy

February 13th, 2013
8:22 pm

Time to UATAO.

Later…

Thulsa Doom-“Nothing I’m proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime,”

February 13th, 2013
8:23 pm

Interesting. Obama has been in office over 4 years now, the recession ended a mere 6 months into his presidency, obs losses bottomed out the month he came into office, and the libs still whine about the 2007 recession as if it occurred during the middle of Obama’s watch. Facts and kooks just don’t mix.

Fred ™

February 13th, 2013
8:25 pm

So what are my positions there Mr. USA Patriot? I’ll bet you can’t accurately tell me any of them. Well other than you far right wing talk radio listening/quoting nutcase fanatics are out of touch with reality……….. but you won’t acknowledge that one. YOUR ilk will call me a lib and other such nonsense because I don’t dream of sucking Rush Limbaugh and his whacked out drug induced ideas bu you are wrong. You are pretty much wrong about everything. As to debate? pray tell me what is to “debate’ about the insipid crap you posted at 7:50? You spout a bunch of hate and lies. That’s not fodder for debate.

Do you realize how stupid and hypocritical you sound? No of course you don’t. Attack me so,me more. Attack the President’s WIFE you sorry excuse for a man. Then attack his little baby girls for Rush extra credit points………

TBS

February 13th, 2013
8:25 pm

Rubio having a drink was pretty commentary to say the least.

I’d say it was right up there with did Obama shoot skeet or not, but I’m sure some will disagree.

Fred ™

February 13th, 2013
8:26 pm

moonbat: You said it. That thing WAS funny. I saw the 30 second version. I don’t even CARE what he was saying lol.

TaxPayer

February 13th, 2013
8:27 pm

Per bls.gov, from Feb 2001 through Jan 2009, there were a net total of 663,000 private sector jobs lost and a net total of 1,677,000 government jobs created.

TBS

February 13th, 2013
8:27 pm

Get Real

Seems the article above speaks directly to Rubio’s rebuttal.

Whether you agree or disagree, have you read it?

Fred ™

February 13th, 2013
8:27 pm

TBS: What’s the Skeet deal? Someone else referenced that today. What did I miss?

josef

February 13th, 2013
8:27 pm

FRED

Indeed, I did! An etoufée to die for! Si tu te souviens de la question, laisse-moi savoir.

Thulsa Doom-“Nothing I’m proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime,”

February 13th, 2013
8:27 pm

“No, let’s talk about the man drinking some water during his talk….”

Well when ya got nothing on him what else can ya do? Seems perfectly logical to whine and cry about him drinking from a water bottle- if you’re a kook anyway.

“wow…I hope the 51% of the country that voted for Obama are not as infantile and dense as the libbies on this blog…”

Sadly your hope is misplaced. But I do have faith that some of the 51% are not as big a kooks as some of the water bottle malcontents on this blog.

TBS

February 13th, 2013
8:27 pm

pretty sad commentary

moonbat betty

February 13th, 2013
8:29 pm

TBS @ 8:25, I’d agree.

They are pretty even in hilarity.

Fred ™

February 13th, 2013
8:29 pm

TBS: Nevermind, I googled it. LOL he DOES look funny as hell. He’s as much of a skeet shooter as I am a skinny black man.

Get Real

February 13th, 2013
8:31 pm

TBS…just referring to the responses I was seeing from the posters not the article…plain and simple

TBS

February 13th, 2013
8:31 pm

Fred

Not today, but seems some of the same ones who are rightfully calling out the sad commentary about Rubio taking a drink of water are some of the same one’s foaming at the mouth when it came to Obama shooting skeet or was the photo really of him shooting skeet.

Seems like bs all around, but some on each side only want to cry about one or the other

F. Sinkwich

February 13th, 2013
8:31 pm

Lib ilk formula for electoral success:

O’bozo failure? Blame Bush.

weetamoe

February 13th, 2013
8:33 pm

Marco Rubio as Jay Bookman and the AJC prefer to see him. Rubio will be Emmanuel Goldstein for awhile.

Fred ™

February 13th, 2013
8:33 pm

josef: I will. LOL send me your etoufée recipe.

I have become decadent in my Cajun food. I added ground Ancho chili powder both to the crawfish I boiled last week AND to the black beans and rice I made (I had black not red lol). I made a cajun mex fusion…….. and it was GOOD.

TaxPayer

February 13th, 2013
8:34 pm

After the Bush Great Recession, private sector jobs bottomed out in February 2010 at 106,850,000 and have since risen to 112,961,000 in January 2013 for a net increase in private sector jobs of 6,111,000. Government jobs have declined, since February 2009, by 716,000.

Doggone/GA

February 13th, 2013
8:34 pm

I can’t help it, it SO adds to the fun when “libs” get accused of being afraid of someone who is causing us SO much amusement. Someone please remember to remind me to be afraid…as soon as I get over laughing.

Fred ™

February 13th, 2013
8:35 pm

Thulsa Doom-“Nothing I’m proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime,”

February 13th, 2013
8:35 pm

“Per bls.gov, from Feb 2001 through Jan 2009, there were a net total of 663,000 private sector jobs lost and a net total of 1,677,000 government jobs created.”

And now its time to take one of my jesters to school regarding the use of stats. Under W unemployment was at or near historical lows of around 5% for much of his first term. When the recession hit the only place to go was down seeing as how we were already near full employment. See my after class for more statistical analysis TP.

If you really want a measure of true employment take a look at the labor force participation rate. There are fewer Americans working lately in the labor force population than in the past 30 years. Just the facts kooks. Just the facts.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-gongloff/labor-force-participation-rate_b_1865027.html

TBS

February 13th, 2013
8:36 pm

Get Real

As for Rubio, I think he will be a force in the years to come. Not sure if that translates to a run for POTUS, but a force to be reckoned with regardless.

Thulsa Doom-“Nothing I’m proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime,”

February 13th, 2013
8:38 pm

“After the Bush Great Recession, private sector jobs bottomed out in February 2010 at 106,850,000 and have since risen to 112,961,000 in January 2013 for a net increase in private sector jobs of 6,111,000.”

In other words folks Obama’s first year in office doesn’t count because it doesn’t fit TP’s narrative.

Brosephus™

February 13th, 2013
8:38 pm

betty

I’ll give it thought. The photo that Jay posted looks like he was trying to dodge the camera or something. I’ll watch one of those speeches when the person rips a loud f@rt and chokes on the smell on live tv.

:)

JamVet

February 13th, 2013
8:38 pm

“Lib ilk formula for electoral success:”

Just let the Republicans to do what they’ve been doing.

I am convinced the Stupid, Insulting & Backward Party (blame Jindal) no longer even needs any help!

TBS

February 13th, 2013
8:39 pm

USA Patriot

February 13th, 2013
8:40 pm

“So what are my positions”, I’d say buns up kneeling! You like it in the exit do ya?

And the bomb goes off in 3,2,1…….Batta boomb!

josef

February 13th, 2013
8:40 pm

I’ll send my recipe…but the one I had was made by a co-worker from down home…the mex-cajun blending ain’t ‘bad a’tall imeoiauo…but you know that a recipe don’t really mean sh*t…it’s all in the right touch and the right love, flavored to your own taste…I learned by watching to old folks…but for a starter, Paul Prudhomme’s is a good place…

TBS

February 13th, 2013
8:40 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 13th, 2013
8:41 pm

“cheep, cheep”

I hear dodos. :D

josef

February 13th, 2013
8:42 pm

TBS
@ 8:36

Yep.

USA Patriot

February 13th, 2013
8:45 pm

Have a good night Fred!

See ya in the ‘yard next time.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
8:46 pm

I’d say buns up kneeling! You like it in the exit do ya?

And there’s your sign.

Big.

Bright.

Flashing.

Pink.

Neon sign.

Ninja

February 13th, 2013
8:47 pm

“The American people are going to have a hard time swallowing that.”

Nah, they’ll throw in some sort of cheap bribe in the form of a “tax rebate” and these tools will swallow whatever BS they’re fed.

F. Sinkwich

February 13th, 2013
8:49 pm

“President Obama will leave Friday to vacation in West Palm Beach, Fla., squeezing in some rest and relaxation a few days after giving his State of the Union address.”

Trying to sell euro-socialism is indeed exhausting…

getalife

February 13th, 2013
8:52 pm

Surrender cons and get out of the way.

The new Chief of State will crush your party.

TaxPayer

February 13th, 2013
8:52 pm

Poor Thulsa thinks (granted the word thinks and Thulsa constitute an oxymoron) he is qualified to critique a non-con’s post. He’s such the jester. :lol: now run along little fella and sell some more of those Medicare advantage scams to the unsuspecting.

getalife

February 13th, 2013
8:52 pm

комиссар (Occupation)

February 13th, 2013
8:53 pm

“Trying to sell euro-socialism is indeed exhausting…”

Oooh, there’s one under every bed.

комиссар (Occupation)

February 13th, 2013
8:59 pm

Sinkich don’t like him no English Liyut.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 13th, 2013
9:00 pm

And given that insane statement, I have to again question if it is water in that bottle!

Well, me too, Jam. I been around alot of drunks in my line of work. Usually they get all nervous in front of people they’re talking to and they wipe off sweat and such like Rubio did. But a big swig of vodka straightens them up fast. Ain’t vodka kinda clear, like water?

I ain’t sayin’. I’m just sayin’. Have a good night everybody.

moonbat betty

February 13th, 2013
9:00 pm

getalife

February 13th, 2013
9:01 pm

rubio smoked weed and took Xanax.

TBS

February 13th, 2013
9:01 pm

josef

I don’t know who it will be, but Democrats will really get concerned when a Latino that doesn’t have Cuban heritage gets a foothold in the Republican party.

That person will eventually come to the forefront within the next 2 to 5 years

TBS

February 13th, 2013
9:03 pm

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
9:06 pm

get – i>rubio smoked weed and took Xanax

I don’t remember him in HS….you?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
9:08 pm

I don’t know who it will be, but Democrats will really get concerned when a Latino that doesn’t have Cuban heritage gets a foothold in the Republican party.

Not this Democrat.

I suspect that such a Latino/Latina will signal a shift, and maybe we can begin to move the center back to where it’s supposed to be.

getalife

February 13th, 2013
9:08 pm

cat,

You can’t lead whacked out with the cotton mouth.

Worse than jindal.

Next.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 13th, 2013
9:11 pm

I’d have to go with Kam. If a Latino/Latino rises to the top of that party and attracts a sufficient following it would not likely be a extreme wingnut but likely a moderate.

Josef

February 13th, 2013
9:11 pm

TBS

I agree. Immigration has been the sticking point for a good number, and it seems the GOP has caught on to that.

TBS

February 13th, 2013
9:11 pm

Kam

Agreed. When I say Democrats, I should have said the DNC. The high ups in both parties like to keep the power for their party as long as they can and it will signal as you said a “shift”.

Erwin's cat

February 13th, 2013
9:15 pm

You can’t lead whacked out with the cotton mouth.

sure

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
9:16 pm

I should have said the DNC.

Yeah, I can agree to that. I’d like to think that the leaders in the DNC at that time can recognize the benefits of a functional opposition party.

getalife

February 13th, 2013
9:17 pm

cat,

Look at his eyes.

Very glassy.

I think he should pee in a cup.

USA Patriot

February 13th, 2013
9:17 pm

“And there’s your sign.

Big.

Bright.

Flashing.

Pink.

Neon sign.”

Only Kammy would know!

TBS

February 13th, 2013
9:18 pm

josef

Not sure what will end up being the latest “immigration reform”, but Republicans would be better off making a deal and moving on. However some of the old guard is fighting.

Quicker the deal is done, the quicker the Republican talking heads can spin their part in making it happen and of course work to reap the rewards. Whether it be out of sincerity, politics or both the reaching out to the non-Cuban Latinos is something that Republicans must do and quickly.

Generally speaking, Latinos will listen to a center right politician, especially if “immigration” is not on the front burner.

moonbat betty

February 13th, 2013
9:18 pm

Lead geetar and vocals at the same time can be difficult.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK94ZDC5ydU

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
9:20 pm

Only Kammy would know!

“The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”
– Thomas “Billy Shakespeare” Jefferson

TBS

February 13th, 2013
9:22 pm

josef

I know first hand because I was raised by one and grew up around many Latinos from Panamanians, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, Cubans, Columbians…….. you name it. And even the non-Cubans did or or do not vote all Democrat.

The one who raised me being the main one.

:-)

appleseed

February 13th, 2013
9:27 pm

well from what I heard Rubio just another flip/flopper.Another Romney.

getalife

February 13th, 2013
9:31 pm

moonbat betty

February 13th, 2013
9:31 pm

Sheesh…

I bet half you libs couldn’t pat your bellies and rub your head at the same time.

am i right?

getalife

February 13th, 2013
9:32 pm

moonbat betty

February 13th, 2013
9:32 pm

geez, getalife.

fogetaboutit.

Hill isn’t goin to leave Bill for you.

Stop it.

getalife

February 13th, 2013
9:34 pm

Not for me moonbat.

For our country.

Hillary 16.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 13th, 2013
9:35 pm

Hill isn’t goin to leave Bill for you.

Nor will she leave Bill for you.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 13th, 2013
9:36 pm

pat your bellies and rub your head at the same time

I thought most of the cons were typing and rubbing their “heads” (okay, we’ll call it that…wink, wink) but I really try not to think about that….sort of like that Redneck guy posting butt nekkid

getalife

February 13th, 2013
9:37 pm

moonbat loves her some President Clinton.

Oscar

February 13th, 2013
9:38 pm

Hillery is not going anywhere. And don’t thnk she will be running in 16.

Who is going to step up. Big Joe?

Governor __________ (fill in the blank)

Oscar

February 13th, 2013
9:39 pm

Betty – I was able to do that three times out of five. Not bad.

barking frog

February 13th, 2013
9:42 pm

I thought it was pat your head and rub your belly…..

Josef

February 13th, 2013
9:42 pm

TBS
The “Latinos” are now the largest “minority” in the country and the fastest growing. Both “sides” know enough about demographics to know that whoever can sway enough of that demographic will win in a tight, or even close, race. What the don’t seem to have a handle on are the issues that will determine that sway. There’s going to be a lot of fumbling going on, for sure, on both sides, fumble number one is that the Latino community is monolithic and homogenous.

barking frog

February 13th, 2013
9:46 pm

josef 9:42
and soon to be pastureized….

Mick

February 13th, 2013
10:26 pm

jay

Excellent column! We know rubio well down here and when he was speaker of the house in the florida legislature he got rolled by sen. jim king of jacksonville every which way but loose. While all those good ole boys were singing the praises of young buck marco they picked miami clean and all rubio left us with is his gee whiz, boy wonder smile! Yes, the further north you go in florida the more southern it gets and jacksonville (s. georgia) is not in the same league with the types of problems we have down here with immigration. Do people know that clinton made a deal that we would accept 200k immigrants from cuba every year, think they are going to jacksonville? Jim king got all of the funding rerouted northward by nebulous data from gator u and marco never knew what hit him.
There’s only one other culprit here who in the end betrayed his “adopted” city and signed that crap into law, yes the great jeb bush! Miami says, thanks for nothing dork, education expert my friggin arse!!!
Marco hit his glass ceiling pretty hard last night, future president? Ever since palin arrived on the scene I’m reminded to say: never say never…

crumpled fender

February 13th, 2013
10:28 pm

The problem is the government comes up with good programs like medicare and Pell grants, etc, then someone in congress says “I can make this even better!” Then the program sinks under the weight of all of the “improvements.” Leave things alone.
Also, we should make a law or amendment that any amendment added to a new bill in Congress has to be directly related to the bill, no Alaskan bridge amendments added to relief bills, for example.

Get Real

February 13th, 2013
10:34 pm

Mick…you are always so objective. If you honestly believe that about Rubio, then you are at best naive and at worst a complete moron…

Mick

February 13th, 2013
10:46 pm

real

Well then, since I live in miami and know rubio like you might know your local georgian legislator, odds are way better that the moronic boomerang you threw will probably come back and knock the nonsense out of you…

Chris

February 13th, 2013
10:49 pm

Hey Jay,
Did you happen to see Dr. Benjamin Carson’s speech at the National Prayer Breakfast? Wondered what you thought about it. I must have missed your commentary on it.

moonbat betty

February 13th, 2013
10:51 pm

“Nor will she leave Bill for you.”

Really, Kam.

Wasn’t even in my top 5.

Thanks, tho.

Chris

February 13th, 2013
10:52 pm

By the way, you may have addressed this in the blog, but I didn’t have time to hunt through 821 comments to check. If you did, my apologies.

getalife

February 13th, 2013
10:54 pm

chris,

He used a rw talking point and our President laughed.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

February 13th, 2013
11:14 pm

Headline: “Sheriff Says His Deputies Did Not Intentionaly Try to Burn Down Cabin”.

Cough, cough …………………………

BADA BING (imagine an umlaut above the i, I'm trying to class this place up a little)

February 13th, 2013
11:16 pm

Dorner had a bunch of idiots on twitter and facebook cheering him on before his death. He was their hero, a modern day Django. I wonder if the ‘D’ in Dorner is silent?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

February 13th, 2013
11:21 pm

BADA :

LOL ! It is now !

WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN ………… It gets lonely walking point here. I’ve taken lots of schrapnel but I’m still fighting !

getalife

February 13th, 2013
11:25 pm

BADA BING (imagine an umlaut above the i, I'm trying to class this place up a little)

February 13th, 2013
11:27 pm

hey 0311, I check in every now and then, good to see you are still here. I have been busy living the good life, I am truely blessed, I hope you are too.

getalie

February 13th, 2013
11:32 pm

hey 0311,

Marry me?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

February 13th, 2013
11:37 pm

BADA:

You better believe it !

By the way, wonder if the “D” in dead is silent ??

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

February 13th, 2013
11:38 pm

getalife:

Recon and I got a room before.

It’s called a “barracks” !

Ever been inside one ?

getalie

February 13th, 2013
11:39 pm

I crush you like grape.

I tie you into pretzel!

getalife

February 13th, 2013
11:44 pm

“Recon and I got a room before.”

I don’t want to know that and think government should stay out of your bedroom too.

TMI.

Dawgs88

February 13th, 2013
11:45 pm

I have a question for all of you pro government liberals that believe higher education and increased federal investment in technology will increase jobs. If that’s the case then why is it that the current young generation, or Generation Y born between 1980-1999 (the most educated generation in American history), has the highest overall unemployment even though nearly 35% of them hold a bachelor’s degree and over 50% of them have at least an Associate’s Degree? Let’s see we had smaller government twenty five years ago and less government investment and we also had lower unemployment among younger Americans!!! Oh my God who woulda thunk it huh y’all?

Also, to add to Jay’s graphs did anyone consider what started happening around 1981? Oh yeah manufacturing jobs, especially in those lovely cesspool union states, began leaving the country in droves. I’m sure corrupt governments (like Detroit), high taxes and regulations, and oh and let us not forget grossly overpaid union employees had nothing to do with it right? If you go from making $40 an hour at a plant to $7 an hour at the local pizza place then yeah you’re moving down the chart.

Both parties are to blame. If you honestly think those d*ckhead Republicans and King Obama really give a flying crap about you and your daily lives you’re sadly mistaken. If Obama was so smart then he’d have a better record to prove it. If the Republicans ideas worked then the economy would not have collapsed under that looney tune Bush. JFK, Reagan, and Clinton were presidents who could agree and compromise to ideas that were maybe better than their own, and that’s why they had the success they did.

To sum it up for y’all;
“I’m going to reject my social security payments and pay for my aging parents’ healthcare out of my own pocket.” -said no Republican ever.
“I’m going to pay more in taxes and give most of my disposable income to someone less fortunate than myself voluntarily.” -said no Democrat ever.

Ya see the hypocrisy now ladies and gents?

getalie

February 13th, 2013
11:49 pm

I crush you like grape.

I tie you into pretzel!

TMI

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

February 13th, 2013
11:59 pm

getalife:

LOL !

Jack ®

February 14th, 2013
6:23 am

Medicare and Medicaid are suffering because those who contributed nothing are getting the same benefits as those who did; methods to spread the wealth. Obama’s mantra: we are going to have to share which means one group of citizens is going to have to pay to support another group.

Fred ™

February 14th, 2013
6:47 am

Thank you Jack for your morning driveby of hate filled lies. now you can go choke a puppy to top of the rest of your morning.

Common Sense isn't very Common

February 14th, 2013
6:49 am

Fred

I see Mr. Meoff was on at 6:23 again :-)

Fred ™

February 14th, 2013
6:53 am

Yeah he does his early morning driveby with his turd bombs and then leaves it up to us to clean up the place………..

Common Sense isn't very Common

February 14th, 2013
6:56 am

Fred

Well he does have to catch the short bus to school soon

Fred ™

February 14th, 2013
7:04 am

Speaking of crappy……… I drive by the ChikFila in Tucker and I see a sign: Heart Shaped Biscuits on Thursday. So deciding to suck up a little i went to the CFA on North Lake (I live between them) thinking thye would have the same thing. Same place right? Wrong. SInce I had a time frame of 7.3 seconds for error I was stuck getting NON heart shaped biscuits for the girls. Had I know that I would have made my OWN damn biscuits.

Just another reason for me to hate that crappy place and their crappy food. But the girls didn’t care, they loved their chicken biscuit (big girl) and chicken nuggets (little girl) anyway.

guy

February 14th, 2013
7:21 am

Fred, don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out of CFA. They will survive without you. All people like you do are bitch and complain,especially about those who you don’t agree with. Grow up! Don’t worry,be happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This isn’t a perfect world anyway.

stands for decibels

February 14th, 2013
7:35 am

mornin’.

I see Mr. Meoff was on at 6:23

Sure it wasn’t Mr. Officer?

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 14th, 2013
7:45 am

Good morning all y’all…

We were “debating” the drone program earlier and I ran across this…

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2013/02/military-new-medal-for-drone-pilots-outranks-bronze-star-021313/

Seems the military likes the program, doesn’t it?

Fred ™

February 14th, 2013
7:45 am

guy

February 14th, 2013
7:21 am

Fred, don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out of CFA. They will survive without you. All people like you do are bitch and complain,especially about those who you don’t agree with. Grow up! Don’t worry,be happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This isn’t a perfect world anyway.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Bite me troll. I DON’T like CFA, never had. Their fries are always cold and their food is over priced, nasty, full of salt, and their breading a biscuits are full of sugar. The ONLY thing there worth getting is the peach milkshake.

However, my girls love them so I will continue buying their crappy product for the girls.

As to you? How sad and pathetic you are to not only stalk me, but to have to make up new screen names to do it. Grow a set of balls loser.

stands for decibels

February 14th, 2013
7:47 am

The libs are scarred to death of Rubio so let’s see, not discuss his ideas and his terrific response to Obama’s speech.

Further evidence that there is a hardcore group of contributors to these threads who never, ever, actually read what Jay’s posted, or any of the replies to same.

(for the record, I’d not even seen the infamous water-bottle grab n gulp until I saw it replayed rather late last night, and don’t especially care, save for how some people were able to have a bit of fun with it.)

Fred ™

February 14th, 2013
7:48 am

Corbin; The REMF’s are always whining because while they are too cowardly to actually GO to combat, they want the glory of it.

Unless something has changed, the drivers of the drones are pilots. Although it’s been shown that a 10 year old with a joystick can fly those things, the officers weren’t happy having enlisted scum, non pilots doing the job, so they took it away.

TiredOfIt

February 14th, 2013
7:50 am

It’s 3 AM and president Rubio’s phone ringing, what’s his first action? Take a drink of water. The good news is, Rubio won’t be president.

julia

February 14th, 2013
7:51 am

typical Republican mind set, i got mine now to heck with everyone coming along behind me.

Brosephus™

February 14th, 2013
8:17 am

If that’s the case then why is it that the current young generation, or Generation Y born between 1980-1999 (the most educated generation in American history), has the highest overall unemployment even though nearly 35% of them hold a bachelor’s degree and over 50% of them have at least an Associate’s Degree?

Well, I don’t fit into the category of ” all of you pro government liberals that believe higher education and increased federal investment in technology will increase jobs”, but I think their unemployment levels have something to do with people staying in the workforce a lot longer than normal thanks to depleted retirement savings.

Not too long ago, the stock market took a serious nosedive, and many people who were close to retirement saw their savings disappear into thin air. My mom is one of those people, but she still had enough money diversified where she was still able to retire. Had our “stellar business leaders” not gotten so damned greedy that they nearly screwed the country into oblivion, my mom would likely have a much better stream of income coming from her 401k.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 14th, 2013
8:26 am

LIBERALS SHOULD BE ASHAMED BUT AREN’T…… THEIR HEADS ARE TOO FAR BURIED OR STUCK UP PLACES

WASHINGTON —
Outgoing Social Security Commissioner Michael J. Astrue has some parting shots for Congress, the White House and advocates for seniors. They have all “really walked away from Social Security,” he says, leaving the program “fraying because of inattention to its problems.”

Instead of making the hard choices to fix Social Security’s financial problems, policymakers “use it as a tool of political rhetoric,” Astrue said.

Brosephus™

February 14th, 2013
8:31 am

GOP Problem sheetz!!!!!!!!!

Escaped from Email Purgatory

February 14th, 2013
8:41 am

I think all your points are well taken, Bookman.

The trends reflected in those graphs also show how we end up with a social crusader as our President.

There’s an equilibrium someplace between social Darwinism and a nanny state where there’s relative prosperity – or the opportunity for it – available to all willing to work for it. That’s what keeps the classes from each other’s throats.

In lean times like these, it’s always the other guy who’s the problem. Nothing gets accomplished without numeric superiority sufficient for one side to impose its will on the other (please see AHA).

That usually leads to repudiation when the next election cycle rolls around.

Obama’s leadership has done nothing to bring us together as a nation. Quite the contrary, he’s identified what’s wrong with America and the Americans responsible for those ills and he pledges revenge to those who will grant him their vote.

In victory, he’s hardly magnanimous. Great leaders are. See Mandela in South Africa after apartheid’s abolition; or Douglas McCarthur’s leadership in rebuilding Japan after WWII. To this point, Obama’s hardly acquitted himself as a competent leader, let along great.

The GOP is no better. Clearly, their tack was to obstruct even measures they supported (pre-Obama) in order to delay economic recovery so he’d be voted out after one term. Then the “grownups” would clean up his mess. How’ed that work out for them?

Washington DC is a room full of small men for going on 13 years now. I keep waiting for somebody to experience a growth spurt. It would be nice if it was my President.

I ain’t holding my breath.

JKL2

February 14th, 2013
8:57 am

-no doubt welcome high-quality pre-K programs of the sort advocated Tuesday night by Obama, because without it their children would have a much tougher time excelling in school.

That’s the ticket. Our children can’t learn anything unless they’re getting a check from the government. Their books are all broken. If you don’t buy me an iphone you’re a racist.