The world as Marco Rubio prefers to see it
U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio may have had an awkward, amateurish moment in his rebuttal to the State of the Union last night — grace under pressure it was not — but it’s nothing that will do permanent damage to his career. The national spotlight is a difficult place, and you learn how to handle it by living in it. Sarah Palin, for example, never got the benefit of the learning curve that Rubio is now experiencing, and the lack of preparation ended her career.
With that in mind, let’s set aside talk of Rubio’s delivery and take a serious look at the message itself. (Transcript available here.) And let’s start with the fact that in most respects, his speech was a standard, rote recitation of Republican ideology, including a familiar condemnation of President Obama as an enemy of capitalism:
“Presidents in both parties – from John F. Kennedy to Ronald Reagan – have known that our free enterprise economy is the source of our middle class prosperity. But President Obama? He believes it’s the cause of our problems.”
“… the idea that more taxes and more government spending is the best way to help hardworking middle class taxpayers – that’s an old idea that’s failed every time it’s been tried. More government isn’t going to help you get ahead. It’s going to hold you back.”
That is an easily disprovable assertion. Medicare is not a failure; Social Security is not a failure; the GI Bill was not a failure; Head Start is not a failure; unemployment insurance is not a failure. The student loan and Pell Grant programs are not failures. Neither is Medicaid, which among other things insures two-thirds of Americans receiving long-term nursing home care in this country.
These and other programs — almost all of them opposed by Republicans since their inception — have been of immense service to “hardworking middle-class taxpayers” and other Americans. In fact, Rubio and his family have themselves benefited greatly from those programs. As he acknowledged later in his speech, his mother and late father have relied heavily on Medicare to deal with their declining health. Rubio attended a state-financed university, including a community college and the University of Florida, and financed that college education through federal loans and the Pell Grant program.
It is not an exaggeration to say that those taxpayer-funded programs — dismissed by Rubio as failures in helping the middle class — have made his entire life and career possible. College, for example, would have been much more difficult. And without Medicare and Social Security footing the bill, the cost of caring for his aging parents would have had to be paid from his own pocket, significantly shrinking his own economic and career options.
However, when Rubio recounts his personal history, such inconvenient facts seem to melt away. As he said in his speech last night:
“My parents immigrated here in pursuit of the opportunity to improve their life and give their children the chance at an even better one. They made it to the middle class, my dad working as a bartender and my mother as a cashier and a maid. I didn’t inherit any money from them. But I inherited something far better – the real opportunity to accomplish my dreams. This opportunity – to make it to the middle class or beyond no matter where you start out in life – it isn’t bestowed on us from Washington.”
It is a theme that he returned to in his closing, in which he talked of the dreams that parents of today have for their newborn children, just as his parents had for him:
“For many of these parents, life has not gone the way they had planned. Maybe they were born into circumstances they’ve found difficult to escape. Maybe they’ve made some mistakes along the way. Maybe they’re young mothers, all alone, the father of their child long gone.
But tonight, when they look into the eyes of their child for the first time, their lives will change forever. Because in those eyes, they will see what my parents saw in me, and what your parents saw in you. They will see all the hopes and dreams they once had for themselves. This dream – of a better life for their children – it’s the hope of parents everywhere. Politicians here and throughout the world have long promised that more government can make those dreams come true.
But we Americans have always known better. From our earliest days, we embraced economic liberty instead. And because we did, America remains one of the few places on earth where dreams like these even have a chance.”
It is moving stuff, but again, it is romanticized to the point of caricature. These parents “born into circumstances they’ve found difficult to escape” would no doubt welcome high-quality pre-K programs of the sort advocated Tuesday night by Obama, because without it their children would have a much tougher time excelling in school. The earned-income tax credit for working families having a hard time making ends meet would be invaluable to them. Parents working as bartenders and cashiers are highly unlikely to have employer-provided health insurance, so Medicaid would be essential if their children should become ill.
There’s one more very important factor to consider. Rubio’s parents came to this country in 1956, and over the next quarter century, as they tried to establish an economic foothold here, they did so in an era when economic prosperity was more broadly shared than it is today.
Here’s what income inequality looked like in America from 1956 to 1981:
Here’s what it has done since:
Here’s what employees’ share of the gross domestic product did from 1956 to 1981:
Here’s what it has done since:
Those and other profound, structural changes in the American economy have made it much more difficult for modern versions of Mario and Oria Rubio to look into their children’s eyes and dream of a better life for them. Yet, as their son explained to the American people Tuesday night, the Republican Party believes that government should take no account of those changed conditions. “More government isn’t going to help you get ahead,” as he told us. “It’s going to hold you back.”
In fact, we are told, the answer must be to shrink those government programs that — Rubio’s denials aside — have helped himself and countless millions more Americans achieve the dreams of their fathers and mothers. The American people are going to have a hard time swallowing that.
– Jay Bookman
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USA Patriot
February 13th, 2013
7:53 pm
Hey, Fred (or is it FRED?) FO!
stands for decibels
February 13th, 2013
7:53 pm
the lemmings are saying “Rock on King”, though he has no clothes (save MEEEEshaalls bought by the taxpayers). Empty suite from the community organizer from Chicago…..
Help is available if you are willing to change.
Mama Says
February 13th, 2013
7:53 pm
Yeah I know Tulsa,
You can’t get them to say it though. Bush lied though
Fred ™
February 13th, 2013
7:53 pm
Just damn American Patriot. Why do you hate pour Country so much?
Erwin's cat
February 13th, 2013
7:54 pm
That said, you’re a funny guy.
I’m reminded of Joe Pesci
JamVet
February 13th, 2013
7:54 pm
No, stands, if he decides to run for POTUS, that video will go viral.
He is as dead as Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry and Mitt Romney now.
And given that insane statement, I have to again question if it is water in that bottle!
Brosephus™
February 13th, 2013
7:54 pm
josef
I remember those lessons well. You know the princess is already learning herself.
Good thing I’m not a liberal as I didn’t watch that stuff last night, and I don’t give a flying rat’s ass about someone drinking water during a speech. I’ve seen many preachers drinking water during their sermon, and I don’t recall it affecting the message they delivered.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 13th, 2013
7:55 pm
Fred
You get the dryer fixed?
Thulsa Doom-“Nothing I’m proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime,”
February 13th, 2013
7:55 pm
Mama Says
February 13th, 2013
7:49 pm
“Kam,
Talking to you is pointless”
Mama says,
There universal truths in life. And you’ve just learned one of em.
Fred ™
February 13th, 2013
7:56 pm
What witty words USA TRAITOR. FO. Ho Ho Ho, you are so funny. You have so much wisdom to add here.
Does it make you feel powerful to attack the President’s wife? When you post that crap about her, it’s almost as good as the feeling you get when you beat a woman isn’t it? Or maybe when you bum rush a darkie eh? Gives you that warm fuzzy……… what a “patriot.”
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 13th, 2013
7:56 pm
And given that insane statement, I have to again question if it is water in that bottle!
Given his roots, I’d guess clear rum.
Fred ™
February 13th, 2013
7:57 pm
LOL Kam. The dryer WAS fixed, the part we got was for the washer and no I haven’t installed it yet. You want to come help us tote it up the stairs tomorrow?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 13th, 2013
7:57 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT86AoSGEL8
barking frog
February 13th, 2013
7:57 pm
Doggone/GA
February 13th, 2013
7:50 pm
“The President lies in front of millions. Anonymous bloggers
tell the truth. What is the probability of those two statements
being true ?”
They aren’t mutually exclusive
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They aren’t mutually inclusive either but they can
have the same probability, or not.
Thulsa Doom-“Nothing I’m proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime,”
February 13th, 2013
7:58 pm
EC,
It was an alltime classic scene.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E84VqqCPI7w
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 13th, 2013
7:58 pm
You want to come help us tote it up the stairs tomorrow?
Will all five co-eds be there, disheveled and half-dressed after a pillow fight?
Fred ™
February 13th, 2013
7:58 pm
I’ve seen many preachers drinking water during their sermon, and I don’t recall it affecting the message they delivered.
Did they sound like a hog at a trough doing it? Rubio did.
stands for decibels
February 13th, 2013
7:58 pm
People from other countries may read his treasonous Americans hating words and get the wrong impression about us…
Jackassery knows no nationality. no color, no creed.
josef
February 13th, 2013
7:59 pm
FRED
Where you been? Good to see ya!
Fred ™
February 13th, 2013
8:00 pm
Kam; I SHOULD say yes as at least one of them is VERY hot. She looks like Daryl Hannah when Daryl was young lol. But alas, I think they all bat for the other team. you can look but it won’t do you any good ………..
USA Patriot
February 13th, 2013
8:03 pm
Fred, that’s difference between us. We see a different kind of country.
That’s okay, or it used to be. Now the libs don’t want ANY opposition. Sad, thought this was a country of ideas.
barking frog
February 13th, 2013
8:03 pm
Fred™
you can look but it won’t do you any good ………..
……………………………………………………..
millions of porn fans say what?
Fred ™
February 13th, 2013
8:03 pm
josef…….. Où ai-je été mon ami ? Vous savez où. Et vous ne m’avez jamais envoyé une pleine explication de notre dernière correspondance vous enfant mauvais.
Soothsayer
February 13th, 2013
8:04 pm
You’re a funny guy!
josef
February 13th, 2013
8:04 pm
BROSEPHUS
Best lesson I ever learned…
Erwin's cat
February 13th, 2013
8:06 pm
In fact, I think
we “cons” are just like you….we think we know, we don’t always know…but we don’t pretend to know either (well the respectable ones anyway)…i seriously try not to have a partisan opinion….i generally don’t fit median metrics…good or bad…but this “con” has his own opinion based on my own research and conclusion…am i wrong?…maybe, but being wrong is part of who i am, and my profession …there is no shame in being wrong and will own up to it when required…..respectfully…a “con”
Fred ™
February 13th, 2013
8:06 pm
USA Patriot
February 13th, 2013
8:03 pm
Fred, that’s difference between us. We see a different kind of country.
That’s okay, or it used to be. Now the libs don’t want ANY opposition. Sad, thought this was a country of ideas.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Yeah no kidding, then that Druggie Rush and FOX started brainwashing all you idiots and you no longer have ideas, just bumper sticker phrases and lies to toss out. I’m surprised you admit that……..
Are you going to start thinking for yourself and post something original for an change?
Thulsa Doom-“Nothing I’m proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime,”
February 13th, 2013
8:06 pm
“Jackassery knows no nationality. no color, no creed.”
But it does know the D party better than anything else.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 13th, 2013
8:08 pm
OBAMA: “After years of grueling recession, our businesses have created over 6 million new jobs.”
THE FACTS: That’s in the ballpark, as far as it goes. But Obama starts his count not when he took office, but from the point in his first term when job losses were the highest. In doing so, he ignores the 5 million or so jobs that were lost on his watch, up to that point.
Private sector jobs have grown by 6.1 million since February 2010. But since he became president, the gain is a more modest 1.9 million.
And when losses in public sector employment are added to the mix, his overall jobs record is a gain of 1.2 million.
_____________________
Well even giving the Post the assertion that somehow 5+ million were lost on “Obamas watch” when he took over in the midst of a major recession, and somehow blaming state job losses from Republican state legislatures (not to mention the cave in to idiot republican demands that the stimuluous include tax credits), seems like only a jackarse would say that 6+ million were not created by trying to offset losses from Republican stupidity.
zeke
February 13th, 2013
8:08 pm
These graphs mean absolutely nothing! Just like the constant rant that we are not taxed too much because we on pay X% of GDP! % of GDP has no relevance except in the amount of government spending! And with TRILLION DOLLAR PLUS DEFICITS, IT IS OBVIOUS WE ARE SPENDING WAY TOO MUCH! And various socialist giveaway program are a feel good, a panacea, they are useless and not relevant! SS and Medicare are not entitlements due to the government forcing every worker and their employer to pay a tax for them! Other things like unemployment payments and head start are drastic failures! Unemployment system is just another redistribution scheme totally funded by employers, when, as an insurance against being unemployed it should be paid by employees! And head start? An utter waste of taxpayer money! And how can any individual, insignificant as we are in the whole thing, think that they/we can affect the climate cycles of the Earth that have been ongoing since the beginning of time!
Thulsa Doom-“Nothing I’m proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime,”
February 13th, 2013
8:10 pm
Good grief. The libs are reduced to the point of complaining about someone drinking from a water bottle? Geez.
Fred ™
February 13th, 2013
8:11 pm
Keep, we were KIND OF up your way today at this place for lunch ( http://www.boudreauxscajun.com/cafe.htm ) I started to call you to see if you wanted to join us, but I didn’t now exactly when we would get there. It was pretty good. I had about the first authentic roast beef po’boy I’ve had in 25 years……….
F. Sinkwich
February 13th, 2013
8:11 pm
“33.5 million Americans watched President Obama´s State of the Union address last night, the lowest turnout since President Bill Clinton´s final State of the Union address in 2000, according to newly released Nielsen ratings. Obama´s totals also marked a significant decline from the first second-term addresses of his predecessors.”
Bummer. Words of wisdom wasted.
Sadly, I was one of those who watched…
I’m so ashamed.
josef
February 13th, 2013
8:12 pm
FRED
Excuse-moi. Qu’est-ce que serait cette correspondance?
F. Sinkwich
February 13th, 2013
8:14 pm
josef does French.
Shocked.
Brosephus™
February 13th, 2013
8:15 pm
Fred
I didn’t even bother to look at that Rubio clip. If the biggest thing the media and people could find to talk about was him drinking water, that made me think that his message was cut and paste GOP talking points or he was so dull that the speech wasn’t worth critique.
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josef
Same here. No textbook in the world could ever deliver such a lesson.
USA Patriot
February 13th, 2013
8:17 pm
Sure, Fred, since you asked. Never said anything I didn’t believe in nor from someone else. That being said, You, sir, are one of the people that scare the sh$t out of MOST people in this country!
You appear to be passionate about your position’s (God love America!) and can’t debate in an intelligent manner.
The part that scares me most, is you dropped some “bombs” in this country. We’re Fu$cked!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 13th, 2013
8:19 pm
Fred, have not been there but worth a try. I was following up this afternoon with some work with some law enforcement on scammers and how to stop them.
Fred ™
February 13th, 2013
8:19 pm
Josef: I guess I don’t know lol. Apparently I was mistaken. For some reason I thought I had axed you a question but upon re-reading I didn’t.
Did you ever go get any crawfish?
moonbat betty
February 13th, 2013
8:20 pm
“I didn’t even bother to look at that Rubio clip. If the biggest thing the media and people could find to talk about was him drinking water,”
Bro, you gotta see it!
I don’t care who you are, that funny at first glance.
I hope Obama lights up a cigarette in the middle of his next speech.
josef
February 13th, 2013
8:20 pm
SINKWICH
Shocked? Why?
Get Real
February 13th, 2013
8:20 pm
The libs are scarred to death of Rubio so let’s see, not discuss his ideas and his terrific response to Obama’s speech. No, let’s talk about the man drinking some water during his talk….wow…I hope the 51% of the country that voted for Obama are not as infantile and dense as the libbies on this blog…
That Black Guy
February 13th, 2013
8:22 pm
Time to UATAO.
Later…
Thulsa Doom-“Nothing I’m proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime,”
February 13th, 2013
8:23 pm
Interesting. Obama has been in office over 4 years now, the recession ended a mere 6 months into his presidency, obs losses bottomed out the month he came into office, and the libs still whine about the 2007 recession as if it occurred during the middle of Obama’s watch. Facts and kooks just don’t mix.
Fred ™
February 13th, 2013
8:25 pm
So what are my positions there Mr. USA Patriot? I’ll bet you can’t accurately tell me any of them. Well other than you far right wing talk radio listening/quoting nutcase fanatics are out of touch with reality……….. but you won’t acknowledge that one. YOUR ilk will call me a lib and other such nonsense because I don’t dream of sucking Rush Limbaugh and his whacked out drug induced ideas bu you are wrong. You are pretty much wrong about everything. As to debate? pray tell me what is to “debate’ about the insipid crap you posted at 7:50? You spout a bunch of hate and lies. That’s not fodder for debate.
Do you realize how stupid and hypocritical you sound? No of course you don’t. Attack me so,me more. Attack the President’s WIFE you sorry excuse for a man. Then attack his little baby girls for Rush extra credit points………
TBS
February 13th, 2013
8:25 pm
Rubio having a drink was pretty commentary to say the least.
I’d say it was right up there with did Obama shoot skeet or not, but I’m sure some will disagree.
Fred ™
February 13th, 2013
8:26 pm
moonbat: You said it. That thing WAS funny. I saw the 30 second version. I don’t even CARE what he was saying lol.
TaxPayer
February 13th, 2013
8:27 pm
Per bls.gov, from Feb 2001 through Jan 2009, there were a net total of 663,000 private sector jobs lost and a net total of 1,677,000 government jobs created.
TBS
February 13th, 2013
8:27 pm
Get Real
Seems the article above speaks directly to Rubio’s rebuttal.
Whether you agree or disagree, have you read it?
Fred ™
February 13th, 2013
8:27 pm
TBS: What’s the Skeet deal? Someone else referenced that today. What did I miss?
josef
February 13th, 2013
8:27 pm
FRED
Indeed, I did! An etoufée to die for! Si tu te souviens de la question, laisse-moi savoir.
Thulsa Doom-“Nothing I’m proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime,”
February 13th, 2013
8:27 pm
“No, let’s talk about the man drinking some water during his talk….”
Well when ya got nothing on him what else can ya do? Seems perfectly logical to whine and cry about him drinking from a water bottle- if you’re a kook anyway.
“wow…I hope the 51% of the country that voted for Obama are not as infantile and dense as the libbies on this blog…”
Sadly your hope is misplaced. But I do have faith that some of the 51% are not as big a kooks as some of the water bottle malcontents on this blog.
TBS
February 13th, 2013
8:27 pm
pretty sad commentary
moonbat betty
February 13th, 2013
8:29 pm
TBS @ 8:25, I’d agree.
They are pretty even in hilarity.
Fred ™
February 13th, 2013
8:29 pm
TBS: Nevermind, I googled it. LOL he DOES look funny as hell. He’s as much of a skeet shooter as I am a skinny black man.
Get Real
February 13th, 2013
8:31 pm
TBS…just referring to the responses I was seeing from the posters not the article…plain and simple
TBS
February 13th, 2013
8:31 pm
Fred
Not today, but seems some of the same ones who are rightfully calling out the sad commentary about Rubio taking a drink of water are some of the same one’s foaming at the mouth when it came to Obama shooting skeet or was the photo really of him shooting skeet.
Seems like bs all around, but some on each side only want to cry about one or the other
F. Sinkwich
February 13th, 2013
8:31 pm
Lib ilk formula for electoral success:
O’bozo failure? Blame Bush.
weetamoe
February 13th, 2013
8:33 pm
Marco Rubio as Jay Bookman and the AJC prefer to see him. Rubio will be Emmanuel Goldstein for awhile.
Fred ™
February 13th, 2013
8:33 pm
josef: I will. LOL send me your etoufée recipe.
I have become decadent in my Cajun food. I added ground Ancho chili powder both to the crawfish I boiled last week AND to the black beans and rice I made (I had black not red lol). I made a cajun mex fusion…….. and it was GOOD.
TaxPayer
February 13th, 2013
8:34 pm
After the Bush Great Recession, private sector jobs bottomed out in February 2010 at 106,850,000 and have since risen to 112,961,000 in January 2013 for a net increase in private sector jobs of 6,111,000. Government jobs have declined, since February 2009, by 716,000.
Doggone/GA
February 13th, 2013
8:34 pm
I can’t help it, it SO adds to the fun when “libs” get accused of being afraid of someone who is causing us SO much amusement. Someone please remember to remind me to be afraid…as soon as I get over laughing.
Fred ™
February 13th, 2013
8:35 pm
g’night
Thulsa Doom-“Nothing I’m proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime,”
February 13th, 2013
8:35 pm
“Per bls.gov, from Feb 2001 through Jan 2009, there were a net total of 663,000 private sector jobs lost and a net total of 1,677,000 government jobs created.”
And now its time to take one of my jesters to school regarding the use of stats. Under W unemployment was at or near historical lows of around 5% for much of his first term. When the recession hit the only place to go was down seeing as how we were already near full employment. See my after class for more statistical analysis TP.
If you really want a measure of true employment take a look at the labor force participation rate. There are fewer Americans working lately in the labor force population than in the past 30 years. Just the facts kooks. Just the facts.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-gongloff/labor-force-participation-rate_b_1865027.html
TBS
February 13th, 2013
8:36 pm
Get Real
As for Rubio, I think he will be a force in the years to come. Not sure if that translates to a run for POTUS, but a force to be reckoned with regardless.
Thulsa Doom-“Nothing I’m proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime,”
February 13th, 2013
8:38 pm
“After the Bush Great Recession, private sector jobs bottomed out in February 2010 at 106,850,000 and have since risen to 112,961,000 in January 2013 for a net increase in private sector jobs of 6,111,000.”
In other words folks Obama’s first year in office doesn’t count because it doesn’t fit TP’s narrative.
Brosephus™
February 13th, 2013
8:38 pm
betty
I’ll give it thought. The photo that Jay posted looks like he was trying to dodge the camera or something. I’ll watch one of those speeches when the person rips a loud f@rt and chokes on the smell on live tv.
JamVet
February 13th, 2013
8:38 pm
“Lib ilk formula for electoral success:”
Just let the Republicans to do what they’ve been doing.
I am convinced the Stupid, Insulting & Backward Party (blame Jindal) no longer even needs any help!
TBS
February 13th, 2013
8:39 pm
moonbat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8qrwON1-zE
USA Patriot
February 13th, 2013
8:40 pm
“So what are my positions”, I’d say buns up kneeling! You like it in the exit do ya?
And the bomb goes off in 3,2,1…….Batta boomb!
josef
February 13th, 2013
8:40 pm
I’ll send my recipe…but the one I had was made by a co-worker from down home…the mex-cajun blending ain’t ‘bad a’tall imeoiauo…but you know that a recipe don’t really mean sh*t…it’s all in the right touch and the right love, flavored to your own taste…I learned by watching to old folks…but for a starter, Paul Prudhomme’s is a good place…
TBS
February 13th, 2013
8:40 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4nCy5CITc8
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 13th, 2013
8:41 pm
“cheep, cheep”
I hear dodos.
josef
February 13th, 2013
8:42 pm
TBS
@ 8:36
Yep.
USA Patriot
February 13th, 2013
8:45 pm
Have a good night Fred!
See ya in the ‘yard next time.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 13th, 2013
8:46 pm
I’d say buns up kneeling! You like it in the exit do ya?
And there’s your sign.
Big.
Bright.
Flashing.
Pink.
Neon sign.
Ninja
February 13th, 2013
8:47 pm
“The American people are going to have a hard time swallowing that.”
Nah, they’ll throw in some sort of cheap bribe in the form of a “tax rebate” and these tools will swallow whatever BS they’re fed.
F. Sinkwich
February 13th, 2013
8:49 pm
“President Obama will leave Friday to vacation in West Palm Beach, Fla., squeezing in some rest and relaxation a few days after giving his State of the Union address.”
Trying to sell euro-socialism is indeed exhausting…
getalife
February 13th, 2013
8:52 pm
Surrender cons and get out of the way.
The new Chief of State will crush your party.
TaxPayer
February 13th, 2013
8:52 pm
Poor Thulsa thinks (granted the word thinks and Thulsa constitute an oxymoron) he is qualified to critique a non-con’s post. He’s such the jester.
now run along little fella and sell some more of those Medicare advantage scams to the unsuspecting.
getalife
February 13th, 2013
8:52 pm
Staff.
комиссар (Occupation)
February 13th, 2013
8:53 pm
“Trying to sell euro-socialism is indeed exhausting…”
Oooh, there’s one under every bed.
комиссар (Occupation)
February 13th, 2013
8:59 pm
Sinkich don’t like him no English Liyut.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
February 13th, 2013
9:00 pm
And given that insane statement, I have to again question if it is water in that bottle!
Well, me too, Jam. I been around alot of drunks in my line of work. Usually they get all nervous in front of people they’re talking to and they wipe off sweat and such like Rubio did. But a big swig of vodka straightens them up fast. Ain’t vodka kinda clear, like water?
I ain’t sayin’. I’m just sayin’. Have a good night everybody.
moonbat betty
February 13th, 2013
9:00 pm
Great album, TBS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-tvJcTPxHc
getalife
February 13th, 2013
9:01 pm
rubio smoked weed and took Xanax.
TBS
February 13th, 2013
9:01 pm
josef
I don’t know who it will be, but Democrats will really get concerned when a Latino that doesn’t have Cuban heritage gets a foothold in the Republican party.
That person will eventually come to the forefront within the next 2 to 5 years
TBS
February 13th, 2013
9:03 pm
moonbat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm71Khu5-Lk
Erwin's cat
February 13th, 2013
9:06 pm
get – i>rubio smoked weed and took Xanax
I don’t remember him in HS….you?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 13th, 2013
9:08 pm
I don’t know who it will be, but Democrats will really get concerned when a Latino that doesn’t have Cuban heritage gets a foothold in the Republican party.
Not this Democrat.
I suspect that such a Latino/Latina will signal a shift, and maybe we can begin to move the center back to where it’s supposed to be.
getalife
February 13th, 2013
9:08 pm
cat,
You can’t lead whacked out with the cotton mouth.
Worse than jindal.
Next.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 13th, 2013
9:11 pm
I’d have to go with Kam. If a Latino/Latino rises to the top of that party and attracts a sufficient following it would not likely be a extreme wingnut but likely a moderate.
Josef
February 13th, 2013
9:11 pm
TBS
I agree. Immigration has been the sticking point for a good number, and it seems the GOP has caught on to that.
TBS
February 13th, 2013
9:11 pm
Kam
Agreed. When I say Democrats, I should have said the DNC. The high ups in both parties like to keep the power for their party as long as they can and it will signal as you said a “shift”.
Erwin's cat
February 13th, 2013
9:15 pm
You can’t lead whacked out with the cotton mouth.
sure
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 13th, 2013
9:16 pm
I should have said the DNC.
Yeah, I can agree to that. I’d like to think that the leaders in the DNC at that time can recognize the benefits of a functional opposition party.
getalife
February 13th, 2013
9:17 pm
cat,
Look at his eyes.
Very glassy.
I think he should pee in a cup.
USA Patriot
February 13th, 2013
9:17 pm
“And there’s your sign.
Big.
Bright.
Flashing.
Pink.
Neon sign.”
Only Kammy would know!
TBS
February 13th, 2013
9:18 pm
josef
Not sure what will end up being the latest “immigration reform”, but Republicans would be better off making a deal and moving on. However some of the old guard is fighting.
Quicker the deal is done, the quicker the Republican talking heads can spin their part in making it happen and of course work to reap the rewards. Whether it be out of sincerity, politics or both the reaching out to the non-Cuban Latinos is something that Republicans must do and quickly.
Generally speaking, Latinos will listen to a center right politician, especially if “immigration” is not on the front burner.
moonbat betty
February 13th, 2013
9:18 pm
Lead geetar and vocals at the same time can be difficult.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK94ZDC5ydU