So … this is Obama’s fault?

Dang…I’m buying a lotto ticket on the way home. Firsties!!!

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The problem with Rubio’s presentation was that I didn’t hear anything different than what was said during the election cycle. It might play well with the base but for the rest of us it is the same old message and attitude. If the Republicans are going to screw us over more at least smile more and lie to us better.

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Thin black man?? I thought for sure we were just told he has a pot belly? Oh the outrage.

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More of the same from Republicans. It is going to be interesting to see the flow of how President Obama will continue to be blamed for all of America’s woes. Georgia has so many problems and he continues to be the center of its problems. We have been under Sonny Perdue and Nathan Deal’s watch for almost twelve years. What have they done to move this state forward? It is nice to know that the American people are more politically involved and can see how the poor/middle class people have kept this country from sinking.

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As USinUK would say…”Oy to the vey!”

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I take this pitty party as a hopeful sign that Obama’s big spending plans have zero chance.

His speech was delivered well and on the surface has admirable goals. The problem is, we can’t afford it.

Raising the minimum wage to $9 is just one example of complete disconnect.

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President Barack Obama called for raising the federal minimum wage to $9 an hour and threatened to use executive action on climate change and economic incentives if Congress doesn’t act, laying out an activist second-term agenda that quickly provoked Republicans.

Along with a renewed appeal for votes on immigration and gun control, Obama proposed making preschool available to all 4- year-olds, negotiating a new trade agreement with the European Union and spending $50 billion on “urgent” infrastructure projects. He lauded steps by companies such as Apple Inc (AAPL)., Caterpillar Inc (CAT). and Ford Motor Co (F). to bring manufacturing jobs back to the U.S.

The government should be guided by three questions, Obama said last night in his fourth State of the Union address before a joint session of Congress. “How do we attract more jobs to our shores? How do we equip people with the skills they need to get those jobs? And how do we make sure that hard work leads to a decent living?”

VIDEO: Obama Delivers State of the Union Address
The hour-long speech signaled Obama’s plans to move quickly to leverage his political strength from last November’s re- election by challenging the Republican majority in the U.S. House of Representatives to schedule votes on his agenda. Over the next three days he’ll travel to North Carolina, Georgia and Illinois to promote his agenda.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-02-13/obama-paints-wider-role-for-government-in-middle-class-revival

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Federal spending is a federal government problem. Mr. Obama is the Chief Executive of the Federal Government. So yes, it is his fault. And the fault of each Chief Executive prior to him. It is also our fault, the American voting public for who we have put in office to represent us on the legislative level.

The fix is to vote them all out. But we, the American voting public, do have the cojones to do it.

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Its clear that, no matter what Obama says or does, Republicans will continue to spout large amounts of withering criticism.

You might think this would worry them since thoughtful people will dismiss any of this criticism as worthless political nonsense.

Unfortunately for us thoughtful folks, America is full of double-digit IQ Republican voters who slavishly believe everything their political masters tell them.

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Raising the minimum wage to $9 is just one example of complete disconnect.

Wrong. Failure to understand that the richest, most powerful nation ever on earth needs to ensure its citizens can earn at least a subsistence by working full time is an example of complete disconnect.

Seriously, if you can’t even grok that much, you’re hopeless, and need to go sit at the kiddie table.

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Jay, I don’t gotta do all the heavy lifting here, do I?

Are you going to explain that spending is not the same as robbing a bank?

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More of the same from pubs, more of the same from the President. They are both consistent, I’ll give them that! The more things change, the more they stay the same!

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Always looking back for someone else to blame, never looking forward explaining exactly how we are going to pay for this debt. Your chart proves that spending has dramatically increased during Obama’s reign. Explain the steepening of the curve since 2008. Even with the sequester cuts, Government spending will still be higher than before the big O. Obama is a master of giving the American public false hope through unrealistic choices from the bully pulpit. If it weren’t for an obstructionist Congress, North Korea would have disarmed by now. We should raise the minimum wage to $150 per hour to help the middle class achieve fairness. Harvard should base admission solely on Government standards rather than student qualifications. See how easy it is to help the middle class when they are dependent on handouts from Obama?

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I love it when I hear “We can’t afford it”.

We couldn’t “afford” to build the Interstate system, but we did because it was good for the country.

We couldn’t “afford” to build Hoover Dam, but we did because it was good for the region.

We couldn’t “afford” to put men into space, but we did because it was good for the nation.

The only differnce between now and then is that people actually believed in a unified United States and did what it took and paid what was needed for overall good of the country.

Than again, there were no Rush Limbaughs, Sean Hannitys and Glenn Becks generating millions of dollars for themselves while at the same time telling their listeners that the government was stealing their money.

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Butch,

Debt as a percentage of GDP was dropping during the times you mention. That’s not the case now. To keep spending blindly without acknowledging the changing landscape is what’s getting us in trouble.

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“Necessary.”
“This sucker could go down.”
“Avoid economic collapse.”

I hear that things have been on the upswing for a while now. So why isn’t the curve going back down?

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Striking how among the post-recession periods shown in the graph, the period we’re currently in is the only one in which spending has plateaued. But don’t try telling any of our resident rubes that this president isn’t a “big spending liberal”. The truth of the right-leaning orientation of the nation under his administration is confirmed by the graph.

On deficits, of course, everyone (other than a few rubes of course) knows that more than any other single president, the person who is responsible for America’s soaring deficits is Mr. Ronald Reagan.

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Whatever:” Bush put us way deeper in debt. I’ve never defended that. I’m looking for someone who will tackle the issue but no one, including Obama, will.”

Clinton did. So you’re in favor of going back to the Clinton tax rates?

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We had a $3B surplus last month.

http://news.yahoo.com/u-posts-3-billion-budget-surplus-january-192158446–business.html

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mbtc

You’re correct. People making $9/hour spend every dime. They and most of the middle class are the real “job creators”.

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Increasing minimum wage for the poor is baddddd. Tax subsidy to the rich and oil companies are gooddddddd. What type of morons do the cons have.

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mbtc

February 13th, 2013
8:45 am

Clinton did. So you’re in favor of going back to the Clinton tax rates?
YES!
Are you in favor of going back to the Clinton spending levels?

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If Obama says to reduce the deficit we need a balanced approach of spending cuts and revenue, why does that translate to more taxes for bigger govt to republicans? Also, I will not refer to republicans as conservatives anymore. They are not conservative in anyway I can see.

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Rubio’s job was to show the nation that Republicans view the water bottle as being half empty.

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Anyone that walks their dog is okay with me.

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“So … this is Obama’s fault?”

Yes.

Last night’s “speech” – or more accurately, pontification – underscores not only this man’s inability to address the nation’s economic health, but his complete unwillingness to do so. No attempt at serious entitlement review and reform, halting spending in any way, or tackling the staggering yearly deficit and ever increasing debt. Stick to the approach, deflect criticism and blame history, instead of stepping up and providing leadership.

With the kind of constant cover provided to allow his eschewing responsibility – it’s no surprise, of course.

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“Are you in favor of going back to the Clinton spending levels?”

On defense, definitely!

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What’s the matter with you people? This country is run by a radical president who does not know anything about economic issues, has run up more debt through spending in the last 4 years than Pres. Bush did in 8 years, filled his administration with inept radical kooks, asks for more tax “revenue” to lower the debt in the same breath when asking for more spending, and grows government to the point of harming this country’s forward movement.

Based on being re-elected with a dismal record and in charge of an economy that has had the longest mired movement in recessional history, I would have to say that you people are the problem. You liberals have convinced half of this country that Obama is the cult Moses who is to lead us out of our malaise. Harry Reid is your pick in the Senate that controls the legislative gavel which rejects all form of rationale and Nancy Pelosi is your pick in the House who said that “you must pass ObamaCare before you know what’s in it”. Are you kidding me liberals?

Is it any wonder that these picked politicians you put into office have divided this country to the extent of near rebellion?

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independent thinker

February 13th, 2013
8:53 am
What is wrong with having three unfunded wars and free drugs for the elderly with no funding and bailing out the big investment banks so they can pay their execs bonuses if a Republican is in charge? I don’t get it.

BINGO!

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Misleading chart there Jay. This chart is more obvious and shows the enormous spending increases under obama. Bush did increase spending way to much I’ll admit but we had increased tax revenue’s so his deficits were minimal compared to obama.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_chart_2002_2013USb_13s1li111lcn_F0t

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Donovan – “You liberals have convinced half of this country that Obama is the cult Moses ”

Well, if your side is so pathetically weak, why would anyone want to listen to what they say?

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curious:

My big boxer !

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Donovan=sore loser.

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How about we lead the world by getting out of debt

Do you not GET that our money is worth whatever the world thinks it is worth? that whatever paper deb we’re incurring is not especially important, given that the world believes that our dollar is so sound that they are willing to lend us money for literally nothing in return?

No, I do not think you do.

Beyond that, for crying out loud, we are not going to “get out of debt.” we have not been “out of debt” since eighteen thirty flippin’ five.

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Come on. You cannot trust any government agency – especially one that name their data source “Fred”. Phu -leez.

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Whatever – “Why not get our house in order and then fund those things?”

Because, by the time that happens, we would have no roads or bridges to drive on, and our senior citizns and returning soldiers would be starving in the streets. But hey, the budget would look awesome!

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Part D may be a problem but to say it’s “free” shows a serious lack of understanding.

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Palin fact checking our President?????? That is sooooooooooooooo funny. Dumb azz

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By the by, how’s that 2010 GOP jobs campaign coming along. Made any progress yet.

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“Is it any wonder that these picked politicians you put into office have divided this country to the extent of near rebellion?”

Always think it is the apex of hypocrisy for the right, who have used wedge issues and flooded the airways, 24/7 with divisive rhetoric, to accuse Obama of dividing America.

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Obama said we don’t need to ‘occupy’ other nations but he had no problem with the occupy Wall St slugs disrupting business’s and people trying to work….

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Blaming federal spending and the deficit on Barack Obama, as Republicans did last night and have done for years now, is like a scene from an old movie. You know the one: The bank robber comes barreling out of the bank, gun in one hand and money bag in the other, with cops hot on his trail
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The OMB tables show expenditures in 2017 at 22.2. In 2007 spending was 19.7. This would indicate that the pace of long term expenditures has increased by 12.7% since then. This would account for 28% of the FY11 deficit.

To imply that long term federal spending is not increasing regardless of who is to blame is dangerous. Most of the longterm federal spending is due to Medicare. My problem with Republicans is that go on about increase federal spending but Romney was accuses Obama of cutting medicare. So what was Romney going to cover the spending. He was going to cut taxes by 20%. No one is going to address the issue because both sides will use against the other.

“Here, hold this for me,” the crook says, handing the bag to someone and then trying to make his getaway. In this case, that “someone” designated to take the fall is a tall, thin black man.
This statement is sad. A good point lost by a personal attack.

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Donovan – “You liberals have convinced half of this country that Obama is the cult Moses ”

You probably had one of those “W – The President” bumper stickers.

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Common Sense

February 13th, 2013
9:00 am

Haven’t you figured out that facts don’t matter to the regulars on here? You don’t really expect them to fact check anything that he says, do you? Wishful thinking.

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CNBC? They should change their name to the Wall Street Bootlicker Channel.

And shame on jhunt for believing their nonsensical tripe.

The minimum wage is this country, adjusted for inflation, is LESS THAN IT WAS IN 1968!

To even have stayed ON PAR with 1968, it would now be around $10/hour.

What is wrong with you Republicans???

Do you really ahte the working class in this country that much??

Whatever has inflicted your mental capacities and morality, you are in deep, deep doo doo.

Your beloved previous administration oversaw the greatest economic meltdown in nearly a hundred years. They left the nation in complete meltdown mode. Near complete economic devastation everywhere. Millions and millions of lives and families ruined.

And now you expect the American people are magically just going to start trusting YOU and your do no wrong heroes on Wall Street again???

No sale.

I believe that the though the Corporations are people, my friend GOP has gotten annihilated in three out of the past four elections, their darkest days are coming up. And their corporations uber alles demagoguery cannot save them. People who vote can, but they will not.

And I will continue to celebrate the losses of the stupid, insulting and backwards party!

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I’m glad Obama put the term ‘Manufactured crisis ‘ into play. Maybe
we will all realize that the trick taken from modern businessmen
who manufacture situations they can solve and appear as heroes
is now a part of government. When you hear ’save social security’
’save medicare’ ‘debt ceiling crisis’ ‘fiscal cliff’ think ’snake oil’.

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TaxPayer

By the by, how’s that 2010 GOP jobs campaign coming along. Made any progress yet.

There’s over 30 jobs bills sitting in the Senate that Reid won’t put up for a vote… Why not inform yourself before making an ignorant statement???

http://www.examiner.com/article/harry-reid-blames-gop-for-jobs-report-ignores-house-bills-to-stimulate-jobs

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Common Sense – “As funny as the obama speech itself… I wonder who wrote it for him?”

As reported by FOX prior to the SOTUA, it was the former writer for Ted Kennedy.

Try to keep up.

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.at least until that is redefined from 40 hrs to below 29 hours. Talk about a disconnect.

So we can’t raise the minimum wage because… our Captains of Industry will Go Galt. So we must obsequiously anticipate psychosis and pre-empt it, because manhood, or something.

That’s about all I can handle of this for now. You guys are weird.

/drive-by

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Simple Truths

February 13th, 2013
8:48 am

I don’t trust charts from Fred!

Oh, this chart is from FRED.
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I approved this message.

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“a tall, thin black man.”

Did Cynthia come back and write this column for you, Jay? What does that have to do with anything?

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According to Republicans, tax cuts pay for themselves. So… as soon as the Bush tax cuts pay for themselves, I’m all in favor of more tax cuts.

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@ mbtc – I will agree to Clinton era tax rates when the POTUS agrees to Clinton era spending rates. My favorite part of the SOTU was when the president urged the Congress to put aside party politics and pass a budget. BTW, when is the Senate, led by Mr. Reid, going to get around to passing a budget? How many years has it been since the Senate passed a budget? The House has passed a budget, why can’t the Senate? Also, isn’t the POTUS required by law to present a budget to the Congress on the first Monday of February? Where is it? I sure hope it’s better than the one he sent last year that was voted down 100-0 in the Senate. We have a spending problem in this country and we have debt issues. Both parties are responsible for those problems. How are we to have confidence that these problems will be addressed adequately when the people we have elected can’t even pass a budget?

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curious

February 13th, 2013
9:09 am

And, yet, Valarie Jarret said that the President has not (bothered) to talk to Congress about sequester. How does that line up with your reasoning?

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Racebaiting = humor.

Hhhmmmmm……..

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Geez, I just realized something.

Trillions are Trouble, because they start with “T” and that rhymes with “P” and that spells “pool.”

/drive-by

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curious

“If obama thinks the sequester is so bad why did he sign it into law?”

He let the Republicans pick their own poison. Apparently, the Republicans thought it was a good deal. Party leaders, the White House and most members of Congress supported the debt-ceiling deal:

It passed on a 268-161 vote in the House, with about one-third of House Republicans opposing it. It passed in the Senate, 74-26, with 19 Republican senators opposing it.

Most Republicans voted against it. Obama, Reid, and Pelosi pushed this out….

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that’s right Stands, we got trouble…….. right here in River city………

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI_Oe-jtgdI

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That flattening line on the chart is partly Obama’s fault but
the fault of Congress also. It is also partly why jobs are so
hard to find and job training and retraining is not happening.
Were that line continuing upward as before unemployment
would be lower, roads would be better. more college funds
would be available and other infrastructure such as
telecommunications networks would be better. The debt
of the USA is hard to reduce because the holders want
to keep it. They consider it an investment and the stupid
in government cannot understand that.

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Republicans supported the sequester because they were able to change the terms when Romney was elected and Republicans took over control of the Senate.

Whoops.

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I thought he was addressing Congress.

If there’s a problem with sequestration, then Congress should speakup. They voted for it and Obama signed. There would not have been anything to sign if Congress hadn’t acted.

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jhunt, that is your response??

Hard working American, non-Republican people of conviction and moral courage are no longer going to just sit around and take the stale crumbs and lousy jobs that are doled out to them.

They are going to fight back. In the streets and most importantly, at the polling places.

Millions of us threw up when that coward from Massachusetts said that corporations are people.

When did the GOP simply decide to give away OUR – as in the real we the people – sovereignty?

Occupy that.

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Help me understand why as a nation we need to pay our debt?

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More fact-checking from Politifact. Does anyone on here really care?
“Corporate profits have rocketed to all-time highs – but for more than a decade, wages and incomes have barely budged.” Wages and incomes may not always be the best measurement, because they leave out benefits, which have increased overall compensation over several decades. Regardless, Obama chose his timeframe carefully, because over the past four years, middle class income has actually declined.

“In 2011, Congress passed a law saying that if both parties couldn’t agree on a plan to reach our deficit goal, about a trillion dollars’ worth of budget cuts would automatically go into effect this year.” Obama is referring to the sequester. He omits the fact that he (or his White House) proposed the sequester, and he personally signed it, with the hope of using it to push Republicans into passing higher tax rates on high earners.

“Over the last few years, both parties have worked together to reduce the deficit by more than $2.5 trillion.” Both Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Read have used this claim, but it’s not true. As FactCheck.org noted recently, the figure includes over $1 trillion in spending cuts that “have yet to materialize.” It also includes $500 billion in projected reduced interest–not spending cuts or tax increases–and deficits remain high.

“Already, the Affordable Care Act is helping to slow the growth of health care costs.” The cost of health care has continued to grow, albeit less quickly–but the recession is a big part of the story. People are spending less because they can afford less. Obamacare has already made health insurance premiums more expensive, and Obamacare does not change the fundamental incentive problems that drive costs in U.S. health care.

“Let me repeat–nothing I’m proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime.” This is a repeated promise (as well as a repeated metaphor: Obama also used the “single dime” phrase to in describing tax cuts in his stimulus). Obama broke that promise most spectacularly in Obamacare, which only “balances” due to accounting tricks and is almost certain to cost more than originally expected–net as well as gross.

“We have doubled the distance our cars will go on a gallon of gas, and the amount of renewable energy we generate from sources like wind and solar – with tens of thousands of good, American jobs to show for it.” As I demonstrated in my recap of Obama’s 2009 address, the supply of renewable energy sources in the U.S. rose only about 10% in Obama’s first three years in office–very far from doubling.

“Heat waves, droughts, wildfires, and floods–all are now more frequent and intense. We can choose to believe that Superstorm Sandy, and the most severe drought in decades, and the worst wildfires some states have ever seen were all just a freak coincidence. Or we can choose to believe in the overwhelming judgment of science – and act before it’s too late.” Or we can call it “weather,” which is far closer to the truth than this scary story.

“That’s why my Administration will keep cutting red tape and speeding up new oil and gas permits.” In order to “keep” doing something, you have to have been doing it already. As Mitt Romney argued very ably in the presidential debates, the Obama administration has tried to slow oil and gas permitting on public lands, while taking credit for (or obstructing) much of the energy boom that has taken place on private lands.

“But taxpayers cannot continue to subsidize the soaring cost of higher education.” The fact that taxpayers continue subsidizing the cost of higher education is part of the reason that the cost of education keeps rising. Obama did not mention the crisis in student loan delinquency, which increased support from the government for tuition costs has not been enough to prevent. The fundamental problem is youth unemployment.

“[M]ore boots on the southern border than at any time in our history, and reducing illegal crossings to their lowest levels in 40 years.” Many of the “boots” Obama deployed to border states did not actually go to the border, less than half of which is actually secure. Illegal border crossings have decreased–but it is almost universally agreed that the cause is our poor economy, not enforcement–which Obama has effectively gutted.

“And I ask this Congress to declare that women should earn a living equal to their efforts, and finally pass the Paycheck Fairness Act this year.” This is a rather amusing promise, since Obama’s support for the Lily Ledbetter Act in 2009, which was meant to have guaranteed “equal pay,” was a major boast in his re-election campaign. Did he fail to make pay equal when he said he had? No–he just needs the issue to boost support.

“Tonight, let’s declare that in the wealthiest nation on Earth, no one who works full-time should have to live in poverty, and raise the federal minimum wage to $9.00 an hour.” That means, of course, that fewer people will be working full-time, or even part-time. Hiking the minimum wage is at odds with increasing jobs, and hurts minorities and young people worst, damaging their future employment prospects significantly.

“We’ll give new tax credits to businesses that hire and invest.” A rather vague promise that sounds like a good idea. It’s not a factual mistake by itself–except that it likely contradicts his earlier promise on tax reform: “The American people deserve a tax code that helps small businesses spend less time filling out complicated forms, and more time expanding and hiring.” That means fewer special rules, deductions and tricks.

“Today, the organization [Al Qaeda] that attacked us on 9/11 is a shadow of its former self.” It takes a special kind of chutzpah to say that, five months after a terror attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi that claimed the lives of four Americans, including the U.S. ambassador. Obama acknowledges that the threat continues–it is “evolving,” he says, in a curious use of the word–but to declare victory, without mentioning Benghazi?

“The regime in North Korea must know that they will only achieve security and prosperity by meeting their international obligations.” Since when has the North Korean regime ever cared about prosperity? This marks the third State of the Union address in which Obama has mentioned North Korea (he did so in 2010 and 2011 as well)–and each time Obama has congratulated himself for his administration’s policy on the issue.

“As long as I’m Commander-in-Chief, we will do whatever we must to protect those who serve their country abroad, and we will maintain the best military in the world. We will invest in new capabilities, even as we reduce waste and wartime spending.” Even before the sequester, the Obama administration has slashed defense, reducing our military capabilities to the point where we can no longer plan to fight a two-front war.

“That’s why, tonight, I’m announcing a non-partisan commission to improve the voting experience in America.” Not the accuracy or fairness or transparency of the process, but the experience. The chances that Obama’s commission will recommend photo ID for voters, or that such a recommendation would be adopted, are zero. In fact, the Obama administration has stridently opposed states’ own efforts to improve voting in America.

“Police chiefs are asking our help to get weapons of war and massive ammunition magazines off our streets, because they are tired of being outgunned.” These terms suit Obama’s gun control agenda, but they are grossly misleading. So-called “weapons of war”–i.e. assault rifles, machine guns and the like–are already banned, and proposals on the table to reduce magazine size target relatively small clips, not “massive” ones.

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You see, the difference is that most of us on the right have been critical of Bush spending too much also.

You libs only criticize Republicans when they spend too much. When your guy does it, it’s ok.

Your party right or wrong, you stand by them.

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No Jay, it’s not Obama’s fault…poppyc0ck! Who’s been mining the store over the last 4 years? How long can you blame others for the decisions or lackthereof his administration has made? Nothing so blind as those who cannot see…

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Trillions are Trouble

Dang it. I thought you were doing a lead in to a Star Trek episode. “Trillions of Troubling Tribbles.” Or something like that.

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DannyX
February 13th, 2013
9:25 am

“Read the article…”

We are waiting for Itchy to tell us why the Senate should pass the House jobs bills.

Itchy take a time out, go do some goggling and and get back to us.

I did… Perhaps you should call someone over to read it to you….. You fav Senator Reid won’t bring them up for a vote… Pesky Facts…

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If the GOP is crying, that means they lost again.

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WHAT DOES A NOBEL PEACE PRIZE WINNER DO???? KILL WOMEN AND CHILDREN

Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) — A NATO airstrike in eastern Afghanistan late Tuesday killed 10 civilians, including children, an Afghan government official said.

The strike succeeded in killing three Taliban commanders who were targets of the attack, said Wasifullah Wasifi, a spokesman for the governor of Kunar province. But it also claimed civilian lives, he said.

The 10 civilians killed included five women and four children, Kunar province Gov. Fazelullah Wahidi said.

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Wow, if the Right Wing is unhappy now, just imagine how upset they’ll be in two years when they realize that Obama will still have two more years in office.

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Putting it all in perspective…… If you sat down and started counting from one to 16.5T, it would take you 507,000 years to complete the task. That’s a hell of a lot of money.

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Downinalbany

Pretty much covers it. When has a president not post an unachievable and u sustantiated agenda during this useless excercise to use stewardship pulpit for shallow crap like this

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“I did”

No, itchy, you ran away. We are still waiting for an answer. Tell us about all those wonderful House jobs bills. Or just admit you have nothing.

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“Raising the minimum wage to $9 is just one example of complete disconnect.”

You cons just can’t seem to get it through your heads. Consumers create jobs. People are not consumers if they have no spending money. Spending money comes from jobs, which could easily be created through infrastructure projects. And adjusted for inflation, minimum wage is a joke compared to what it was in the 60’s and 70’s.

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DannyX:

What exactly is obama proposing to create jobs?

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“We buy…less foreign oil than we have in 20…years.”

- O’Bozo last night

How did that happen in spite of O’Bozo’s war on fossil fuels? Tax credits for solar powered windmills? The enormous popularity of the POS Volt? Solyndra-like investments? Nope:

“The Energy Department has cited a host of reasons why foreign oil imports have declined, noting the main reason was “a significant contraction in consumption” because of the poor economy and changes in efficiency that began “two years before the 2008 crisis” — in other words, before Obama took office.”

The war on fossil fuels continues, sports fans…and we can’t get back to properity until it ends.

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Christian Conservative
“The ball is in their court. If Obama and Reid want it changed they better get busy…”

Isn’t it disappointing so many Republicans voted for it? Gullibility factor?

You may need to do a better job of voting for your Representaives and Senators. At least Paul Broun is fighting the fight.

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“DannyX. Not itchy, but, try this link…or you just make fun of the choice…up to you”

I could care less about your dumb links. If you can’t explain what they will do without running off to googleland then just admit you know nothing about them.

Yes, the Senate hasn’t voted on them, we get that! What is in the bills????

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Common sense would tell you that after watching Obama’s speech last night that he honestly has no clue what to do. He’s not willing to work with Republicans. That much was clearly understood. Rubio on the other hand said he’s willing to reach out. Why won’t dems work with the other side?

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DannyX:

If you can’t read them and understand them for yourself you shouldn’t even be in this debate….

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“Rubio on the other hand said he’s willing to reach out.”

And he proved it to. Grabbing that water bottle political history.

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DannyX:

I suppose when you drive you have to have someone along to explain street signs for you???

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DannyX

February 13th, 2013
9:41 am

“DannyX. Not itchy, but, try this link…or you just make fun of the choice…up to you”

I could care less about your dumb links. If you can’t explain what they will do without running off to googleland then just admit you know nothing about them.

Yes, the Senate hasn’t voted on them, we get that! What is in the bills????

I admit that I DON’T KNOW what’s in the bills! Feel better now?
The point is, you folks demonize the pubs as the party of NO and Reid is the one saying NO. Explain how anything the President outlined last night will improve anything. I’ll wait…

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The main thing is that we are ALL being hurt by spending in Washington. It is sickening that all of these politicians have no intentions of cutting spending. This is a serious matter. Pelosi says we don’t have a spending problem but that we have a deficit problem. Can you believe it?

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DowninAlbany
But, it just goes out of one pocket into the other. If McDonald’s has to pay $9 an hour to flip burgers, guess what happens? The cost of the BigMac goes up to compensate for the increased cost of production.
………………………………………………………………………………………
However the bigmac has already gone up without a corresponding
increase in wages.

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A perfect liberal “column” by Bookman.

Lots of blame for Republicans. No solutions offered.

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Jay

Why arent more liberals defending your guy this morning? Its not like rubio said anything new at least he performed in acrobatic fashion eh?

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Regnad Kcin:

Did Dems not vote overwhelmingly for it?

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here is why liberals like killing children

they dont like god
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUJE9YfsbNQ

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Mm,

Where are all the spending cuts? We could use a scorecard. You know, kind like the debt ticker

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barking frog

February 13th, 2013
9:45 am

DowninAlbany
But, it just goes out of one pocket into the other. If McDonald’s has to pay $9 an hour to flip burgers, guess what happens? The cost of the BigMac goes up to compensate for the increased cost of production.
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However the bigmac has already gone up without a corresponding
increase in wages.

And, many things contribute to that. Including the rising cost of corn (see: ethanol). Cows eat lots of corn! The point is, the rising costs of production (regardless of reason) is passed on to the consumer.

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mm

February 13th, 2013
9:46 am
Well, well. The US government posted a 3 billion dollar surplus in January.

Where’s all that spending you cons are lying about?

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ITS CALLED A TAX INCREASE EINSTEIN……. THE PAYROLL TAX INCREASED AND THE BUDGET DID NOT HAVE THE INCREASE ACCOUNTED FOR

JUST LIKE EVERYTHING IN WASH DC……. ITS ACCOUNTING TRICKERY

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“The war on fossil fuels”

Is that anything like the war on Christmas?

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To those who are trying to point fingers at the other side for the sequester: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Seriously, the whole thing was a bad idea. Everyone in the beltway thought that the sequester would never happen, and that’s why they voted for it. They were foolish and hindsight is 20/20. Each tried to play political games to “force” the other side to accept their way. And now Congress is running from the consequences of disagreement by continually delaying the sequester.

In this case, a pox on both their houses. While I agree more with the idea of cutting defense and not cutting domestic programs, and I agree that the ideas the Democrats had to cut spending and raise revenue are more reasonable, I still think they both played too many games for anything to be agreed upon. Not that it would have mattered if they were more serious about it – there still were never enough votes for agreement in the first place.

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Mm,

Three billion. Well snatch me up baldheaded. Lets go buy us something nice! Why not divide that number into annual spending divided by twelve?

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mm:

obama’s SS tax kicked back in… This is easily explained away if you inform yourself…

January’s budget benefited from an estimated $9 billion in extra revenue from higher Social Security taxes. .

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“The point is, you folks demonize the pubs as the party of NO and Reid is the one saying NO.”

DownInAlbany, you are defending something you know nothing about. You are just trying to score political points.

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Hard working American, non-Republican people of conviction and moral courage are no longer going to just sit around and take the stale crumbs and lousy jobs that are doled out to them.

OK then go on the Welfare roll that you seemed destined for. Business owners hire people that add value to their company. If they can acquire labor for 1/4 of the price, then they have added value to their company. The only way to side step this is to acquire a set of skills that are in demand and make you competitive. You can say you have no skills and are hard working (a choice you chose to make) and take it to the polls, and I do agree that you have won 3 of the last 4 presidential elections. Get mad, put more regulations on businesses, cut revenues. I promise you in the end it is going to turn out real peachy for everyone, but especially the people on the bottom tier. If you think the deficit is bad now, just wait until the Fed allows interest rates to rise.

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Adam,

Truer words rarely spoken. They are all politicians operationing in a system where underachievement is status quo

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If there is a ‘war on fossil fuels’ why are my energy stocks soaring? VLO is the bomb…

yeah it’s almost up to where it was 5 years ago

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DannyX

February 13th, 2013
9:54 am

“The point is, you folks demonize the pubs as the party of NO and Reid is the one saying NO.”

DownInAlbany, you are defending something you know nothing about. You are just trying to score political points.

I admitted that you are correct on that point. I’m still waiting on your expert analysis of how anything in the sotu will fix anything…

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Y’all leave me alone, i’m Rubio-ing.

It seems whoever they pick for their response to the State of the Union always gets snakebitten.

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St. Simons
the Shawnee are a devious people even without an
education.

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Don’t confuse dems with any facts…..

http://nation.foxnews.com/corrine-brown/2013/02/12/dem-rep-don-t-confuse-me-any-facts

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Obama had the second-lowest increase — in fact, he actually presided over a decrease once inflation is taken into account.

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What I find most facinating about the chart is that it looks like spending skyrocketed in the 2008-2009 timeframe just when the HUGE stimlulas was approved by Obama and the Democractic controlled congress. Also facinating that in 2010, the spending flatlined. Hum. what happened in 2010. Oh, republicans took over.

I will admit that spending under GWB was more than it should have been.

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” I’m still waiting on your expert analysis of how anything in the sotu will fix anything…”

I don’t. The SOTU is nothing but a big pep rally. I never take them seriously.

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Don’t confuse dems with any facts…..

And then you give us a link to Fox News.

LOL!!

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Jay

February 13th, 2013
9:28 am
“adjust from nominal to real dollars and or adjust to % of gdp and that chart makes obama look like crap

bookman data manipulation”

By “adjust from nominal to real dollars,” our friend jm means that if we adjust for inflation, the chart would make Obama look like crap.

As in, “This is what total annual federal spending, adjusted for inflation, looks like,” which is the very first sentence of this blog post.

I just have to get a better quality of critic.
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As I pointed out earlier %GDP will be up 12% by 2017 over 2007. Most of this increase has nothing to do with Obama but is part of a long term problem.

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Growth In Government Spending Under President Obama Slower Than During Bush, Reagan Administrations

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it just goes out of one pocket into the other. If McDonald’s has to pay $9 an hour to flip burgers, guess what happens? The cost of the BigMac goes up to compensate for the increased cost of production.

DIA. Dude. You know that I think you are one of the rational ones. And I realize our B. Frog has already addressed some of this.

But I will tell you, one occasionally-rational person to another: Our Republic would not collapse if some prices were to increase slightly. Sometimes you gotta get aboard an inflation train. Not a big Supertrain but, say, an inflation trolley. I really think the state of our Union would actually improve. Not dramatically, but it would help.

Put another way: Providing a marginally more tolerable standard of living to entry level workers is not going to turn us into Zimbabwe.

Maybe I’m wrong. How about this. How about we actually TRY helping our citizens—millions of citizens—directly, rather than poncing about feeding billions to this privately-held sugar daddy bankster or that? How about we use tools at our disposal that have worked in the past, rather than once again replicating David Stockman’s wet dream from the late 70s?

Really, could we at least do that until, say, we have to pay 1% on a five year T-bill? Or let’s go cray-cray and say… ooh, 2%! A big ol’ two percent return on a 5-year investment. (2.04% is what we currently pay on a 10 year bill, btw.) Goes above that, and that’s our trigger to back off the spending a bit.

(zomg, I’m delirious with all the spendy-spendy frenzy I’m proposing. I better go lie down.)

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Adam – ever think about Chambliss office? And I am being serious!

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stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
9:00 am

stop bringing up race …

because, what, it makes some schmuck with a troll handle all butthurty? IF YOU FEEL YOU ARE A SCHMUCK AND IT MAKES YOUR BACKSIDE HURT, I’M SORRY YOU FEEL THAT WAY, YOU WILL GET OVER IT. AS FOR THE REAL BECAUSE… YOU EVER HEAR OF THE BOY THAT CRIED WOLF… WELL CRYING RACE ABOUT EVERY DAMN THING WILL YIELD THAT AS WELL AND PEOPLE WILL TUNE OUT WHEN IT REALLY PERTAINS.

You’re amazing. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THE COMPLIMENT. I’M FIGURING YOU ARE PRETTY AMAZING TOO, LIKE THE OBAMAPHONE LADY IN CLEVELAND.

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Road Scholar

Christian Conservative: “It passed on a 268-161 vote in the House, with about one-third of House Republicans opposing it. It passed in the Senate, 74-26, with 19 Republican senators opposing it.”
“Most Republicans voted against it. ”

Ok. There were 429 voters in the house with a repub majority. So at least 215 voters were repub. By your words, 1/3 opposed it. That is 72 in opposition. 19 /100=19% (72+19)/ 255=36%

36% is not a majority of repubs or “most”!

I didn’t say a majority of Repubs. You may want to read what I said slow so you can understand it. I said an overwhelming majority of Dems voted for it… So they overwhelmingly approved of cutting benefits to soldiers and their families… Prove me wrong if you can but reality is right there in front of you…

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A metaphor for our current economic state…

We are all on a cruise ship…as we start out from port, things are great…people are on different decks, but have access to the same basic stuff…food, activities, etc. So one night, the captain invites those on the “first class decks” to the bridge, to see how the ship works, etc. There are festivities, drinks, fine food and a great time is being had..(no harm at all)..then the Captain invites each of the first class guests to “have a spin at the wheel”…the ship goes to fun places, and a good time is had by all…then one of the guests (a prominent banker) runs the ship aground, and a huge hole it torn in the hull…there is panic on all the decks!
The Captain informs the crew that he is obligated, by contract, to leave the ship and turn it over the the First Mate, who is now Captain. The new Captain immediately starts to try and take actions to save the ship and plug the hole.
In the meantime, several helicopters arrive and evacuate those from the “first class” party to hover above the ship. The immediately, from the safety of the helicopter, begin the use megaphones and scream to the new crew on how NOT to fix the ship! “there is no hole!” and “dont blame this on us, remember, without us in First Class the ship never would have left port” and “we did nothing wrong, and quit trying to make us the victims here..all the passengers knew the risk when they signed up for the cruise”

Several crew members on board are still loyal to the old Captain, and begin to question everything the new Captain does….even to the point they don’t think there is even a hole in the ship. Their efforts and attention are only paid to those on the upper decks
The new Captain calls for all of the crew and passengers to work together to try and right the ship..realizing that everything should be in play until the ship can reach the harbor and then repairs can be made and the ship put back to normal….

Pretty much is our political discourse in a nutshell….those who WRECKED the economy are hovering, UNSCATHED, telling everyone else how to solve the problem THEY created!!!

As the saying goes in the Wizard of Oz….”Pay no attention to the Man behind the Curtain!!!”

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Adam

February 13th, 2013
9:52 am
UNCLE SAMANTHA: THE PAYROLL TAX INCREASED AND THE BUDGET DID NOT HAVE THE INCREASE ACCOUNTED FOR

Thank you for your admission that tax increases create surpluses.

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TYPICAL LIBERAL……….. VERY IGNORANT

CANNOT READ THAT ITS ACCOUNTING TRICKERY…………..

THINKS AN $845 BILLION DEFECIT FOR 2013 IS A SURPLUS

MUST BE SOME OF THAT LIBERAL MATH EDUCATION

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WHY ARE WE YELLING??!! WE CAN READ YOU JUST FINE!!

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“Ever heard the word, “crawfishing?””

You can call it what you want to DIA. I never once defended the SOTU address, I have nothing to back up.

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“If McDonald’s has to pay $9 an hour to flip burgers, guess what happens? The cost of the BigMac goes up to compensate for the increased cost of production.”

Did the cost of their cars go up when Ford raised the pay for them employees to $5 per day? Cost does not ALWAYS go up when pay goes up. If the pay raise pays off in increased sales the cost of the product can hold steady, or even go DOWN.

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Road Scholar:

Look at the Senate vote. Dems 45-6. Repubs 28-19… Looks overwhelming to me… The was different I’ll give you that. Dems 95-95. Repubs 174-66. But using logic the only reason so many house Dems voted against it was because they don’t want to cut spending period….

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stands for decibels

February 13th, 2013
10:06 am

I mostly agree. I manage a business here with 29 employees. 24 full time and 5 part time. No one here makes less than $10 per hour. Recently, we had a temp come in to answer the phone while our phone receptionist was on maturnity leave (on the insurance that we fully fund…zero cost to employee). We paid the temp $10 per hour (this young lady is one year out of highschool). When the regular employee came back, the temp had the opportunity to go to work for $7.50 per hour! We were so impressed witht he temp that worked it out where she can work 30 hours per week for us and make the same as she would 40 hours @ $7.50. I agree, $7.50 is not what I would call a “living wage.” I couldn’t sleep at night knowing that I paid someone $7.50. Anyway…we try to do the right thing here. The employees come first. Me and the owners (3 of them) have not had a raise in 7 years because they believe that without quality employees, their business would not exist…

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“I didn’t say a majority of Repubs. You may want to read what I said slow so you can understand it. I said an overwhelming majority of Dems voted for it… So they overwhelmingly approved of cutting benefits to soldiers and their families… Prove me wrong if you can but reality is right there in front of you…”

Lie. Lie, lie, lie. CC told a lie. CC should go back and look at his own posts, since he doesn’t even know what he said. CC’s pants are on fire!

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I couldn’t sleep at night knowing that I paid someone $7.50

You’re all right, DIA. And I believe in my heart that most business owners are, as well.

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Regnad Kcin:

Most Republicans voted against it. Obama, Reid, and Pelosi pushed this out….

Most Republicans in the Senate did vote against it. I’ll give you more in the house did.. Being called a liar by a liberal is hilarious….

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Doggone/GA

February 13th, 2013
10:14 am

If the pay raise pays off in increased sales the cost of the product can hold steady, or even go DOWN.
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Provide evidence that a company increasing workers pay will increase sales.

First, prices do not go up because workers wages go up. Price is determined by supply and demand. When the cost of resources go up profits shrink. The harder it is to make a profit the harder it is to stay in business or to open a business. Keep in mind this is only one of many cost of doing business. There are many others. What really happens is supply decreases which will then result in a price increases.

If the economy is doing well with low unemployment raising minimum wage will have little affect. However, with high unemployment the affects will be greater.

http://www.investopedia.com/university/economics/economics3.asp#axzz2KnEar0Ou

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Why did obama lie so much with his sotu speech?

http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-overreaching-state-union-speech-032654575–politics.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/fact-checking-the-2013-state-of-the-union-speech/2013/02/12/ce69a4e0-7589-11e2-95e4-6148e45d7adb_blog.html?wprss=rss_fact-checker

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alex

February 13th, 2013
10:24 am
I didn’t hear Rubio’s response,…Now Jay if you REALLY read the “signal and the NOISE”, do you think that 1 chart from the FRED database without any supporting text proves anything? This is not a right or left issue, this is an honesty and objectivity issue, Jay you are not doing anybody, other than some narrow minded syncophants any favors by this piece, wast of time….ALL noise.

By the way, I’m in the group that thinks the stimulus was necessary, if only for psychological-liquidity reasons…(but THAT cannot be supported by ONE graph)
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I would disagree because the right is constantly trying to indicate that Obama has increased spending. If the data points otherwise then it serves the usefull purpose of presenting the facts. The only problem I have is it glosses over the long term problem.

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“Thin black man”–typical case of libs yelling racisim after they point out someone is black.

How about we see the line in 4 years Jay ? lets see if you post it after the Obama Care is in full force.

By the way I guess you dispute the fact that Obama has increased the eebt limit once and seeks to yet again as well as the 6 trillion he has added.

kind of like a man runningout of the bank with a money bag in one hand as he stuffs money in his pants from it with the other.

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We’re not gonna let fact checkers dictate our SOTU…..

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Face it CONS you were SOLD OUT by your party , they took the money and you got played like SUCKAS…..lmao

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“losing your job because the employer was forced to raise wages is not exactly helping that minimum wage worker, now is it?”

and firing workers that you need because of how many customers you have is not good for your business

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Walmart and McDonalds will not go out of business with
a $9.00 per hr. minimum wage, they will do better.

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CONS Vote against thieir own best interests….Then complain …..

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Does Fred ™ have an infringement claim against the
Federal Reserve ?

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I can’t believe the title of this piece isn’t, It’s George W. Bush’s Fault!!!

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Average CEO pay 9.6 million

Raising the minimum wage to 9.00 per hr. is not going to put a
dent into that fact.

So why the resistance?

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Average CEO pay 9.6 million

Many small business’s don’t have a CEO, and if they do, I doubt they pay them 9.6 million.

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Looney Bin

We’re not gonna let fact checkers dictate our SOTU…..

Absolutly… the dem party is no place for facts….

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/rep-corrine-brown-don-t-confuse-me-any-facts

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I’m sure happy “Jango” wasn’t taken alive for a trial or we may have had another O.J. verdict.

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The charts shows me that we don’t have a spending problem we just don’t have enough tax revenue to pay for it.

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It’s the fault of that president who has been in power for the last four years. The guy who lied to us about shovel ready jobs and promised us all those recovery summers. And when he shows us how to *do skeet* that thing sticking out above his Mom jeans sure does look like a little round pot belly.

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“… that “someone” designated to take the fall is a tall, thin black man.”

Bless Obama’s heart.

If crappy analogies were legal tender, you’d deserve a C-note for that one, Bookman. The Bank Robber and the Thin Black Man. Whatta load of hooey.

Obama’s hardly an unwitting “someone” here.

Or is he? I forget, one of the recurring mantras still chanted by Obamaphiles four years in is that it’s still Bush’s fault; it’s still Bush’s fault.

I must have missed the part of where unscrupulous, old white men duped Obama into running for POTUS in the first place. It’s all so clear now. They duped him into becoming the innocent fall guy – unjustly identified as the Father of our catastrophic national debt – and a black man to boot.

I guess I didn’t notice Dick Cheney and Rush Limbaugh twisting his arm until he declared to the nation that he’d reduce the deficit (maybe he meant the growth rate of the deficit) by half during his first term.

You libs continue to absolve Obama of any responsibility whatsoever for anything that doesn’t make your collective leg tingle.

That’s kind of condescending, don’t you think? What? Deep down in your bleeding hearts, you don’t really think he’s qualified for the job do you?

I bet that causes an internal conflict or two.

Let’s make this simple. President Obama is overmatched. He’s a smart man, he’s a good husband and father. But he’s in way over his head. Not a sin. Not even a character flaw. Just a conclusion based on the state of our union under his continued leadership.

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9.6 million is the average pay for S&P 500 companies…if you average all CEO’s it comes to about 1 million on average….but that’s just salary….and who cares?

http://www1.salary.com/Chief-Executive-Officer-Salary.html

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“Stop with the facts!!! They will simply call you a liar… LOL”

but only when your “facts” are, in fact, not facts…but lies

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bf – “Walmart and McDonalds will not go out of business with
a $9.00 per hr. minimum wage, they will do better.”

homerun, knockahoma, outta the park, right there.
think about it…

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but that’s just salary….and who cares?

When you have had wages flat line over the last 30 years, a lot of people care.

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Of course it’s not Obama’s fault, he has submitted budgets but has never received a yes vote in the senate on any of them, even from dems. Our entitlement spending can be blamed mostly on dems since they gave us most of them. Congress holds the purse strings and they should get most of the blame for spending except for when Reagan was in office. Although dems had a lock on the house we can’t blame them for anything. The repub house did a ggod job on spending back in the days of Newt and Clinton. That same house decided to have a party once Bush got elected. When Pelosi took over the deficit spending doubled, making the repubs look like amateurs. We can lay the blame for SS tanking and the expense of Obamacare on dems. Two of the few things Bush did right was to call for SS reform and Fannie Mae reform, both ideas scoffed at by the left.

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Does Fred ™ have an infringement claim against the
Federal Reserve ?

No, because he (or anyone else) would never be able to TM a common name or word

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Would corporate entities cease to be ‘people’ if they did
not pay income tax ?

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Erwin’s cat
No, because he (or anyone else) would never be able to TM a common name or word
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You mean like Mcdonalds, Wendys, or Taco Bell ?

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When you have had wages flat line over the last 30 years, a lot of people care.

I’m sure they care about their wages, what do I care what someone else makes?…or should we all make the same wage regardless.

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Marty Huggins’:

Stop it with the facts! Libs still think Republicans controlled Congress in those miserable years of 09-10. When Repubs got control at least the negative leveled back out. The spending hasn’t stopped though because we are still operating on the last dem passed budget….

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0311
God set up the tithe ………….. 10% from the rich and 10% from the poor.

What to you think ? Is the tithe “Porportional, Progressive or Regressive” ?
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I think it is voluntary….

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I see the nutjobs are out in full force today.

Thank god Romney didnt win. Could you see him up there last night ?

We would be heading right back to the disaster that was W’s presidency.

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Marty Huggins’:

But Jays chart is disingenuous… This shows the massive waste put forth with obama’s out of control spending….

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_chart_2002_2013USb_13s1li111lcn_F0t

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I think thanks are in order for so many of you that have dedicated so much time and energy to make us all just a little dumber with your well thought comments. Why do some of you care so viscerally what someone else earns? And how is the income equality program going under this regime? Get a life and go earn your own money.

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God set up the tithe ………….. 10% from the rich and 10% from the poor.

HINT: We are NOT a theocracy so God’s tithing system would not apply in this instance.

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When income is fair, it would the time to talk about fair taxes.

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Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

I see the nutjobs are out in full force today.

Thank god Romney didnt win. Could you see him up there last night ?

Yes I could have saw him up there last night touting pro-growth policies instead of more taxes and more spending… You loons get what you voted for.. Good luck…

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God set up a tithe? Got proof?

No.

THBAEOSATSQ.

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Erwin’s cat
good point…take Wendys for example..the TM is not the name Wendy’s it’s the graphics, font, color etc all used to create the brand…but they have no rights to name by itself
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If you set up a business using either of the names, I think you
will find they disagree.

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Itchy Finger : “The spending hasn’t stopped though because we are still operating on the last dem passed budget….”

You’re laboring under the assumption that spending is bad, my good rube friend.

Where’d you get this bias against spending? Is it from FOX News, Hannity, etc.? Or is it because you’re committing the “kitchen table” fallacy of treating a national fiscal picture as though it is a single family on a strict budget that has to watch spending?

I have no bias against spending if the money is there. We simply can’t spend our way into oblivion my mind numbed friend…..

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You loons get what you voted for.. Good luck…

Thanks. Now if the stupid cons and the stupid people from the GOP would get out of the way, we would get what was voted for. But you buffoons are too busy trying to line your pockets with taxpayer money. We are working our way around you and issue by issue more Americans agree: You’re too stupid to follow.

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Yes I could have saw him up there last night touting pro-growth policies instead of more taxes and more spending… You loons get what you voted for.. Good luck…

Yes we did. Thank god for that.

Your welcome.

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Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten:

Great answer…. LOL… You fruits are a riot…

Thanks man. Means alot coming from a man of your vast intellect.

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Obama took 57 vacation days since taking his vow….

http://cnsnews.com/blog/dan-gainor/obama-57-vacation-days-vowing-he-will-not-rest-until-anyone-can-find-good-job

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Cliff notes –
Jubilee = the Year of Redistribution, (yr 50), after (7) seven year periods.

Who knew the hebrew god AND his Son were socialamists?
Well, I did, because I actually READ THE DAMN BOOK.

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obama meets with his lapdogs… how nice….

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-meets-press-lunch_701158.html

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I. Finger — “Yes I could have saw him up there last night touting pro-growth policies instead of more taxes and more spending…”

Considering Romney used to be *Governor* of Massachusetts and that he didn’t even carry the state, I think I’ll go with their informed opinion of Romney’s policies instead of yours.

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They only have to wait a few more months before they can take back over in Afghanistan…

for the gazillionth time, there is nothing unprecedented about announcing a withdrawal in advance. Those peacenik/pacifist Israelis did so in the Golan, fercryinoutloud.

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Thanks. Now if the stupid cons and the stupid people from the GOP would get out of the way, we would get what was voted for. But you buffoons are too busy trying to line your pockets with taxpayer money. We are working our way around you and issue by issue more Americans agree: You’re too stupid to follow.

Exactly. There are reasons why the Democrat has gotten more votes 5 of the last 6 elections.

This country leans left and is getting more liberal everyday. That is a good thing and should be embraced.

Unfortunately most people in the South live in a bubble. They tend to be borderline illiterate and very uneducated. We seem them here everyday.

They never really leave the South and they think everyone thinks like they do.

And the hypocrisy of these people is off the charts.

They love to talk about moochers. Yet its the red states who take from the government.

The list goes on and on.

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St Simons – he-ne-ha :

And guess what ?

They will even wipe away all of your sins ! Not just 50 years worth ………… ALL OF THEM !

John 3:16

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TaxPayer

Poor itchy, like most Republicans, apparently is not partaking of the economic recovery. Too bad for them. That leaves more for the rest of us.

Oh I’m fine… I’ve saved all my life for situations like this when far left kooks control the gubmint.. I just feel sorry for the millions out there suffering because of obama’s failed inept policies…

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That $9 minimum wage thing was just a bone O’Bozo threw to his union thug supporters.

Not gonna happen and he knows it.

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Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten:

Same old liberal line… I know you could at least bring yourself to copy and paste some tripe for mother jones or media matters???

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“They only have to wait a few more months before they can take back over in Afghanistan”

And we could be there for 100 years…and the end result would be exactly the same

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Does it hurt Jay when you hear Republicans blaming Obama & as you say “doing it for years”?

You & the rest of the liberals have been doing that to President Bush for years & still do it & he’s been out of office for years.

As the old saying goes…”if you can’t take the heat get out of the kitchen.”

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Hey rubes, check this out:

The Deficit Chart That Should Embarrass Budget Hawks

Here’s a pretty important fact that virtually everyone in Washington seems oblivious to: The federal deficit has never fallen as fast as it’s falling now without a coincident recession.

To be specific, CBO expects the deficit to shrink from 8.7% of GDP in fiscal 2011 to 5.3% in fiscal 2013 if the sequester takes effect and to 5.5% if it doesn’t. Either way, the two-year deficit reduction — equal to 3.4% of the economy if automatic budget cuts are triggered and 3.2% if not — would stand far above any other fiscal tightening since World War II.

http://news.investors.com/blogs-capital-hill/021213-644063-chart-should-embarrass-deficit-hawks.htm#ixzz2KnFXoH2g

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Gotta love the non-scientific libs on here who love the “graphy-picture thingy”. For a true measurement of the graph, one needs to determine the slope (here a non-linear function). You can determine that there is a higher positive incline during Obama’s tenure. Triangulate and one almost has a right triangle.

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Or should we even have a minimum wage at all?

Shockingly, this is still a topic of debate among some.

And at the risk of quoting Rubio out of context (which, to be honest, I think CBS is doing), I think he was at least dog-whistling those folks who’d just as soon scrap it, here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57569120/rubio-minimum-wage-laws-have-never-worked/

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Jam, imagine the growth and trickling down if only employees were forced to work for free.

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Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 13th, 2013
11:26 am

Buffoons? Classy. At any rate, I agree the GOP need to simply step aside and allow President Trillions everything he wants. At least then he and his posse would be accountable to precise metrics and the blame game could, to a certain extent, be clearly no excuse.

I’m thinking a great DEM strategy to fix all our financial ills is to award a card in return of filing your taxes. If you are in the top 20% of taxpayers, you get a black card. The balance get a red card. When, for example, going to the movies, you will be required to present your card. If your card is black, you pay double the price…

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award a card in return of filing your taxes. If you are in the top 20% of taxpayers, you get a black card. The balance get a red card. When, for example, going to the movies, you will be required to present your card. If your card is black, you pay double the price…

Aww. There, there. Does someone have a boo-boo on his bottom?

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What sort of JamVet weirdo Statist wimp insists that the State has the power to set a “minimum” wage …………..but then settles…with head hung low and downcast eyes …………………for a mere 9.00 dollars?
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Sad.
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But their IS good news.
From Ron Paul——–
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“I will be doing daily radio commentary and podcasts starting March18th. Details on “Ron Paul’s America” coming soon!”
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Sorry for all of you State worshippers ….out there…………. who just shat their pants.
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lol

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“Of course, the much easier takeaway from the graph is that it goes up in every Presidential Administration for the last 40+ years, regardless of which party’s driving the train”

Or to be blunt: it gives the lie to the claim that the GOP is the party of lower spending

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Sorry for all of you State worshippers ….out there…………. who just shat their pants.

You must be talking to Ted Nugent.

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комиссар (Occupation)

February 13th, 2013
11:41 am

Point taken but the CBO’s historic scorecard is atrocious. Not due to anything other than things change. PelosiCare is a good example. All this talk about revenue neutrality is becoming more and more fiscally remote as data arrives. It was projected that we would have a momentous surplus by late in Bush’s tenure. Can’t anticipate war or general stupidity. Every year they reassess the solvency of entitlements and the date which the money runs dry moves beyond the pale.

I think all CBO estimates should be at the 99th percentile….assuming the worst and hoping for the best. Perhaps this would improve decision making on flawed assumptions resulting in flawed outcomes..

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I doubt a President rest while on vacation.

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But the money IS there, you see. Corporations, for ex., are sitting on historic hoards of cash.

However most of that cash is planted overseas because of our high corporate tax rate.

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You wanna know whats also getting old, “The president inheritited such a big financial mess caused by Bush it just is going to take more time to get it back in order”

Just because you don’t like hearing it doesn’t mean it stopped being true.

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Buzz Belle: I am not a Georgia citizen.

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I doubt a President rest while on vacation.

Seconded. For what it’s worth, while I thought that there was plenty not to like about GW Bush’s frequent weekends at the movie-set ranch in Crawford, TX, I also thought to left-wing knock against him that he was “on vacation” while there was pretty lame. You never really stop “working” once you are the President-elect, until you leave the White House for good, I don’t think.

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“One thing obama said last night though was music to the Taliban’s ears. They only have to wait a few more months before they can take back over in Afghanistan….”

So tell us itchy fingers…What’s the alternative? Should we stay there for 5 more years? 15 more? 85 more? forever?? What’s your plan?

Oh I see…you think he should not have announced it..just snuck everybody out in the middle of the night and the Taliban wouldn’t even had known it!! Years down the road, they may STILL think we were there.

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The president did not mention inheriting a mess in his speech. Kept waiting for it but never heard it. It’s time to stop the blame on Bush and move toward fixing the debt and deficit before we hit the wall in about ten years.

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The winds of change keep blowing and the conservatives keep trying to align their sail backwards as though their boat will go forward if they just wish hard enough.

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LUNCH

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Doggone – Never said I was fully connected.

There are deductions that apply to only one corporation or industry. Those should be discontinued.

Deleting the deductions will require paying more taxes. Removing the deductions and lowering the rate should equal out – leaving the same amout of money collected. And leveling the playing field and clearing pages out of the tax code.

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Oh I’m fine… I’ve saved all my life for situations like this when far left kooks control the gubmint.. I just feel sorry for the millions out there suffering because of obama’s failed inept policies…

I don’t believe so, itchy. You whine way to much to even be fine. And the last thing you feel is sorry for anyone but yourself.

Don’t worry I am. You fruit’s deny and lie so much to be fine…

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Joe Hussein Mama

February 13th, 2013
11:47 am

Of course, the much easier takeaway from the graph is that it goes up in every Presidential Administration for the last 40+ years, regardless of which party’s driving the train.

Exactly. The question is, when will it stop? Will it ever stop? What are the ramifications if it never does?

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Taliban’s ears. They only have to wait a few more months before they can take back over in Afghanistan….

Afghanistan is NOT our 51st State — they are a sovereign country and its about time they started looking after themselves. DO you want them to become a WELFARE state? Gasp!

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TP: Poor itchy, like most Republicans, apparently is not partaking of the economic recovery. Too bad for them. That leaves more for the rest of us.

Hmm I bet old Itchmeister lives in a republican state…………..I wonder why he doesn’t blame his REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR for his troubles; yet is quick to jump on Obama? Could it be that he/she/it is being dishonest and hiding an preconceived AGENDA against Obama?

Nahhh! Couldn’t be! Maybe he just REALLY truly SINCERELY forgets all about those republican governors who are sitting around in their states doing NOTHING to promote prosperity or job growth!

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The graph indicates spending since 1970 and there is not a time that there isn’t an increase. We have had both Republican and Democratic presidents/administrations in the last 40 years…….they have all been irresponsible.

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STEVE, on your comment about all you heard was Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, when Bush was in office. You didn’t hear it from me. I voted for Bill Clinton. And he at least worked with congress and the senate. Even though he had a thing for little fat gals, he was a good president.

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Common Sense

February 13th, 2013
12:14 pm

Adam:

Yeah I still don’t get it. Everything bad that happened was Bush’s fault when he was President. Now everything bad that happens is Congress’s fault now that Obama’s President

And according to the last election the American people were dumb enough to believe it! That is except the 47% smart ones!

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Speaking of Ted Nugent…just think, only about 336 more days before he’s either dead or in jail!!

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Face it, without the fear in the ethic group that votes over 90% to one party – the democrats are DOA. Want more proof your comment shows complete ignorance?

Hmmmm….wonder how many white people have voted for the white candidate over the years? Wonder how many whites voted for Romney because “he was white.”

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Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 13th, 2013
11:54 am

Sorry. Ironic how that term seems to get so far under your skin to result in your typical focus on the messenger as opposed to the message.

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Yeah I still don’t get it. Everything bad that happened was Bush’s fault when he was President. Now everything bad that happens is Congress’s fault now that Obama’s President.

Bush and Congress worked together at the time, even in many cases when Democrats were in control of congress. Today, it would seem this is next to impossible, or at the very least a far cry from the way Bush and Congress worked together even at their most distant.

That’s not to say everything really is Bush’s fault, but when he endorsed something and Congress went for it, he can surely take a significant amount of credit or blame.

It’s a bit hard to blame Obama for economic problems when each and every action he has endorsed that managed to pass actually improved matters, however slight.

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How much were the supreme leader’s various stimuli in 2009? He proposed those; not somebody else. What did they do, other than prop up various unions? Have we paid those back? I did not think so. An increase in national debt of at least $6 trillion by this regime – whose fault is that? Republicans are complicit, no doubt about it – and they are going to pay a steep price for it. I guess the imperial viceroy will never have to answer for his epic malfeasance.

There is a reason they serve horsemeat in England – we are rapidly headed in that direction.

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The total cost of the three wars Obama inherited is projected at over two trillion dollars by 2015 with veteran’s benefits and increased costs of homeland security. He is ending two of those wars as promised which McCain would not have done.
Please cons explain where the funding for these wars is supposed to come?
Did you vote to spend on money to protect Iraqis from other Iraqis and to rebuild the Iraqi infrastructure when Bush was in office with no funding source?
Was that more important than funding transportation needs in Georgia? why not?

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The bulk of America’s problems is the Dem Party or the New Socialist Party along with DO NOTHING BARRY!!!

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