North Korea jerks the world’s chain once more

Good so we’re agreed trade sanctions are generally ineffective in stopping a regime hellbent on having nuclear weapons

And how do we know he’s just “jerking our chain”

We’re talking about nuclear weapons

It has to be taken more seriously than that and we can’t allow crazy run Iran to acquire nuclear weapons

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I just linked this downstairs, but for some background on China’s options (already nicely summarized by Jay):

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/13/world/asia/north-korea-nuclear-test-poses-challenge-to-chinas-xi-jinping.html?_r=0

And Jay’s right–we all say we want progress, but in truth the crappy ol’ status quo seems vastly preferable at times, to what progress would really mean.

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How interesting. I was just reading an article downstairs that dB posted:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/13/world/asia/north-korea-nuclear-test-poses-challenge-to-chinas-xi-jinping.html?_r=0

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What would President Jm do?

What would Secretary General of the United Nations Jm do?

How much more seriously taken does this need to be? Exactly what does more seriously look like?

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Jm
And how do we know he’s just “jerking our chain”
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go by and ask him on your way to Singapore

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FYI Libs and Cons, this is what crazy looks like! What we have here is the US, as bad as it may seem, pales in comparison.

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Seriously, about our only realistic option is to keep the sanctions and isolation going.

stands – good NYTImes article downstairs. Thanks.

I liked this line: “it is still difficult to overcome” the mind-set, he said. “A lot of people are taking the very old-fashioned belief that North Korea is a strategic buffer, and they still believe American invaders would march over North Korea to come to China.”

We’ve spent the last few days discussing Americans who see themselves as heroic Rambos leading the charge with their assault weapons against a fascist, tyrannical, socialist gub’mint. Then we read this.

Seems all societies produce extremist fringe elements with influence.

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Jay,

“young’un” = That’s very funny.

We don’t have a lot of good options here. War would be devastating for all involved and the surrounding countries.

BTW, it’s not the same issues as guns. When you paint with that broad a brush you will alienate any good conversation that could be had.

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No worries, Obozo will send them some F-16’s

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Maybe a few drones….

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JAY

Why do anything? Let China take this one but seems to me the best way to deal with an obnoxious little boy is to ignore him. It shouldn’t be our job to provide leadership in resolution of this situation.

They apparently want recognition as a nuclear player however with some special treatment under non-proliferation treaties so they can have aspects of their program outside the inspection requirements. At one point, they wanted our committment to protect the regime from overthrow…

Let China deal with it. Be nice to see them step out of their foreign policy shell and own up to something.

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The only chains NK is jerking are the mindless voters of the U.S.
It’s all planned out by TPTB.
Think of it as an untapped cheap labor reserve….with Goldman Saches with the option————————–
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Reuters) – A united Korea — combining Asia’s fourth biggest economy with one of its poorest — could surpass that of Germany or Japan in economic might in the next 30-40 years, U.S. investment bank Goldman Sachs said on Monday.

Though North Korea’s planned economy system looks to be on the edge of collapse, it offers a LARGE AND CHEAP workforce, a wealth of minerals that the resource-poor South currently has to import to feed its industry and the likelihood of gains in productivity and its currency once economic reforms take hold.

“We project that a united Korea could overtake France, Germany and possibly Japan in 30-40 years in terms of GDP in U.S. dollar terms,” it said in a report.
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baaaaa

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Paul

February 12th, 2013
8:28 am

The gun issue can be a mental health issue but that is not what drives gun violence. Sure you have to be deranged to shoot up an elementary school but that specific instance and the root cause of the other thousands of gun killings a year are not related. Its’ all nice that BO is popping off about gun restrictions….I’m all for them but to suggest this will result in material, even correlated less killings indicates the core of these “strategies” amount to a lick and a promise. Our culture is a violent one….limiting a handful of weapons, that kill a small fraction of folks a year, isn’t going to mount to anything..nice political theatre though.

I can’t get past the 310,000,000 guns already in circulation that we know about.

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I was hoping we would have a Ted Nugent post. Dang.

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What Jay and granny QUARLING the king and queen of complex phraseology?…goodness and N. Korea too, batten down the hatches…. Climb under your desks students of political thought, it’s 1962..

As for JM, it’s not his job to come up with a plan he’s not been elected, regardless his point on Iran is justified.. What if Iran is allowed to get a nuclear weapon, is N. Korea a test case for what COULD happen. Inquiring minds want to know or we could be like the Granny and Jay show and make jokes…now that IS an intellectual discussion.

Jay, so you think that the N. Korea situation could end up in a unified Korea,aligned with the US,like East and West germany? Can the S. Korean economy support the N. Korean population?

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Seems all societies produce extremist fringe elements with influence.

Take out the “seems” and you’ve got it.

by the way, when some guy (hi, Stevie Ray!) comes in here griping about the New York Times’ “liberal bias”, us good folks might want to remember how useful the Gray Lady can be when it comes to having boots on the ground (so to speak) capable of disseminating such information in a rational manner. And when people blithely dismiss traditional media as something that can be easily replaced by social networking and crowdsourcing? Wonderful as those resources can be, they’re a poor substitute for actual reporting and analysis by those who do it for a living and do it well.

/soapbox

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I’m more worried about that crazy guy who used to swing around with nothing on but a loin cloth while playing , or attempting to play, a guitar. Who , btw, has threated the president and other members of Congress. He has been invited to the State of the Union speech by a Rep. from , where else, Texas.

May i make a suggestion to the Secret Service. Make sure you have agents sitting next to, in front of, and in back of this man. Surround him and let him know that just one false move, out he goes.

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Stevie Ray

February 12th, 2013
8:41 am

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 12th, 2013
8:31 am

What’s the point other than this would be a yet another financial bonanza for Goldman and all the former government employees who jump between one and the other…

Wouldn’t take a minute for that dope to screw up a joint economy.
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Come now Stevie.
Are you THAT naive.
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“Dopes” are a dime a dozen.
They’re easily expendable.
See Hussein, OBL, the Shah of Iran, Noriega, etc………………..
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Improvershed people serve a purpose when neighboring Serfs get a little uppity.
See Mexico.

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Let China deal with it. It’s their backyard.

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Can the S. Korean economy support the N. Korean population?

There isn’t a nation on this planet that can’t support its own population, it’s all about resource management.

To state the obvious, get rid of those half-wit Stalinists and replace them with [warning--cheep shot ahead] even the least competent fourth-stringers from Team Dubya and the Nork citizens’ lot in life would improve exponentially.

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The US can huff and puff all we want, but, unless we’re willing to go to war with North Korea and Iran they will continue to develop nuclear weapons. I would keep trying the diplomatic and sanction angles, but, ultimately we have lettle leverage.

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Thomas Heyward Jr

February 12th, 2013
8:51 am

That’s fine but take a good look at what the outcome of IRAQ and IRAN from the overthrow of these “dopes”. Iraq is one the verge of more civil war and Iran…well we all know whats happening there eh?

IMO, keeping our noses out of other tents post WWII, would have resulted in a much more trusting global political environment.

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It’s the completely biased editorial and related commentary. I’m not sure anyone here can dispute that..

Anyone who’s actually read their editorial pages, day in and day out, can dispute that.

Not that the editorial section is terribly germane to this discussion.

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“y Darwin Day!

Today marks the 204th anniversary of the birth of Charles Darwin. Rep. Rush Holt, a physicist (and Jeopardy! champion), has introduced a bill to designate Feb. 12 a national holiday.”

Maybe England should set Feb 12 has a national holiday for their country. Seems more appropriate.

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stands for decibels

February 12th, 2013
8:58 am

I do suffer through those and other media editorial pages daily and have for quite some time. How is is not germaine? You accused me of brushing the entire NYT as biased, I corrected you and now you suggest my comments are irrelevant to the conversation you offered?

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I will say this- as much as we would like to believe the incredible strength of our military and police force- crazy ass Dorner is proving once again the US and its various gov’t cannot guarantee individual safety. Until then I am glad it appears individuals can keep some type of gun.

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Exactly how far can this “nuclear bomb” go? NK test one some months ago and it barely made it into the ocean.

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Oh wait… It’s the Republicans job to do something according to lib thought….

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Stevie Ray

“The gun issue can be a mental health issue but that is not what drives gun violence”

I wasn’t speaking of gun violence. I was speaking of the issue that’s been discussed here – the type of weapon some people want to have to address some sort of personal, psychological need. You know – the “Reclaim your Manhood” Bushmaster advertising campaign illustrated. Same thing on a country-level with N Korea.

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” He has been invited to the State of the Union speech by a Rep. from , where else, Texas. ”

Larry, please… the shame and embarrassment is almost too much to bear……

But hey, we are making progress. The state senate refused to confirm Gov Perry’s past pick to head the Texas Board of Education (he believes the earth is literally 6000 years old and we did, indeed, walk with dinosaurs. He was DEFEATED when he ran for reelection – beat by a guy who just wanted to get involved and stop the craziness ) and the current nominee faces opposition for her political litmus test views for board members “how conservative and Christian are you?” and for organizing the Board by how conservative members are.

Slow…. glacial…. progress…..

http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/02/11/4613984/board-of-ed-chief-grilled-on-religion.html#storylink=misearch

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Perhaps Obama and Sir Hillary should consult with that other Nobel Peace Prize winner Jimmy Carter? Perhaps Jimmy can pay N. Korea a visit and work it all out like he did in the MIddle East. Perhaps Jay the journalist will learn that 2003 no nukes in N Korea, 2013 nukes in N Korea, would only be referred to as ’status quo’ in liberal lala land. Then when Iran develops their nukes Jay can declare it ’status quo’. When the mushroom clouds blossom and the nuclear wind blows Jay will say, thank Obama for status quo!!!

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these are 2 things today that cons & social dems like me can agree on -

-a unifed strong parent-like approach to a regime that generally wants
to be ‘like us’ whatever that means
-and, Georgia’s model pre-k program.
Lets work together.

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Bill Orvis White

All your posts, you’ve never told us the name of your drinking game.

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Destabilization of a country is a top level goal, even if they are your friend. Any country at peace will start to think about developing their own resources, that cannot be allowed to happen.
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Lest we be accused of racism………..there will always have to be a yellow people who we make war upon.
The black and brown are easy.
The yellow……………not so much.
North Korea will be golden …for awhile.

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A. Shrugged — “Perhaps Jay the journalist will learn that 2003 no nukes in N Korea, 2013 nukes in N Korea, would only be referred to as ’status quo’ in liberal lala land.”

Just FYI, North Korea performed its first-ever nuclear test during the Bush administration. So to be accurate, your sentence should read ” . . . that 2003 no nukes in N Korea, 2006 nukes in N Korea . . .”

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Okay, here’s what the elitist Journalistards don’t grasp. It’s a technological context equation. The nuclear test, with revelation that it was done with lighter material and higher yield…isn’t just backing to the recent hostile rhetoric coming from Pyongyang. There are implications connected to the recent “weather satellite” (we really don’t know that payload) North Korea put into polar orbit back in December. Of course, columnist experts like Jay are out of their depth when it comes to threat analysis…but let me tip the insider buzz. A polar orbit allows an instrument to glide on a path that can fly over any point on Earth. A longitudinal orbit, while the planet revolves below…means there is no point that a North Korean device can not target. They don’t need an ICBM that can reach America; they can do it anyway. Of course the reaction of the mouth breather public is, “so what, they put a nuke or two in orbit like that, we can still wipe them out. AHM…not so fast. The polar orbit nuke is a gamed-out theory on how a small state can level the playing field with a super power. Pop off a nuclear device or two a hundred miles up over the United States, and the EMP (electromagnetic pulse) fries our electronics for thousands of miles in radius below (destroying our electical grid, your car electronics, computers, etc.)—a threat not only to our military command and control apparatus (possibly crippling our ability to respond), but it would collapse our society…and it’s estimated that in the first year after an EMP attack, 75-100 million Americas will starve to death [because there's no mechanization to plant and harvest crops or transport food to market]. The United States, or China, or Russia, or ANY nation on the planet, is now under a more severe threat from North Korea. This test in context with the successful ability to put a device in polar orbit…IS what the professionals see as a new threat level; a serious capability by North Korea. The amatuer naturally shrugs off this new test. The analysts quietly get the implication. Of course if they were to broadcast that fear, there might be panic. But just know, it IS a big deal.

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and weetamoe too……

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Stevie Ray – Bite me

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Road Scholar

February 12th, 2013
9:08 am

Maybe they will imprison both…I did attend no small amount of Nugent concerts in high school. It wasn’t until much later that I learned his anthem Stranglehold can be interpreted to be about abusing women…

you ran that night that you left me
you put me in my place
i got you in a stranglehold baby
then i crushed your face

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Welcome back, Faux Webb! Where have you been?

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Paul,
that’s fine…Just thought some inquiring minds would like the rest of the story…Jay apparently doesn’t.

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Nobama

February 12th, 2013
9:19 am

Thanks very much genius. What exactly does “bite me” mean in this context? What part of your anatomy am I supposed to bite? Are you a masochist wanting to get bit?

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Thogwummpy — “There are implications connected to the recent “weather satellite” (we really don’t know that payload) North Korea put into polar orbit back in December. Of course, columnist experts like Jay are out of their depth when it comes to threat analysis…but let me tip the insider buzz.”

You must not be that much of an insider if you didn’t know that that satellite’s been tumbling out of control pretty much since it entered orbit.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/12/18/astronomers-say-apparently-malfunctioning-north-korea-satellite-could-orbit/

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Will obama’s legacy on foreign policy be called piece through weakness? Just wondering..

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Funny……

Didn’t we just have a blog here a couple of weeks ago where all the libs were arguing that the sanctions against North Korea were working wonderfully?

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I can’t believe Jay dare’s write about something such as this. There’s simply no way to spin the fact that North Korea along with Iran has increased in danger during the last four years under obama.

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Of course, columnist experts like Jay are out of their depth when it comes to threat analysis

Now that is rich. The terminal disease of the right is they are shallow and now here comes one of their midgets calling Jay our of his depth.

Good journalism and analysis is the most crucial defense against the crazies. Poor Jay is working himself to the bone to bring that to us.

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Sadly, short of war, there is nothing we can do. North Korea and eventually Iran will have full out nuclear weapons. We have no one to blame but ourselves (read Western world). When the UN, IAEA, NATO, and the US allowed India and Pakistan to develop nukes, while we sat on our thumbs and hurled sanctions, nasty worded condemnation, and strongly worded warnings. The true crazies of the world took note. They realized that for all our bluster, we were not even united with a common message. Russia and to some extent China helped India and Pakistan create there bombs and are doing the same for Iran. This is a failure of leadership on a massive scale that starts in the 90’s or before and continues to this day. We in the “Free World” have allowed this to happen and we the “Free World” now will watch the rise of at least 2 new nuclear power. This is what it feels like to become a “paper tiger” Your thoughts, Jay?

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Didn’t we just have a blog here a couple of weeks ago where all the libs were arguing that the sanctions against North Korea were working wonderfully?

Nope. But we did have one particular clownish poster who spun around in circles telling us how North Korea was a wonderful example of how to secure borders.

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I’m not worried.

None of those Asians are tall enough to reach the lever….

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“But to turn this into a means to screw companies out of more dollars to send overseas is silly.”

“Or we could replace them with obama folks and watch real income decrease nearly 10% in 4 years as it has in this country.”

More “intelligence” from the right.

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Itchy Finger

February 12th, 2013
9:26 am

Will obama’s legacy on foreign policy be called piece through weakness? Just wondering..
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Actually the weak seldom get a piece.

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Those here who complain about the danger from North Korea growing during Obama’s administration would be well-advised to read up on NK history over the past 20 years.

It wasn Clinton’s Agreed Framework that brought the NKs to the table, and that program was *working* until President Bush decided to trash it. Just two years later, NK was setting off its first underground nuclear test.

At that point, the Bush administration changed its mind and decided to start talking again, but it was too late — the lesson had been learned.

If the US doesn’t like you and you don’t have nukes, then you’re going to get invaded like Iraq did.

If the US doesn’t like you and you DO have nukes, then you can cut a deal.

Too bad President Bush inadvertently taught that lesson to all the tin-pot dictators in the world.

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They long to be close to Doom…

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None of those Asians are tall enough to reach the lever…

how tolerant of you

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L. Nightmare — “Ah the obvious product of public education. Jeeesh Cookman, at least proofread. Last time I checked NK was China’s NORTHERN neighbor.”

Afraid not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_North_Korea

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Joe Hussein Mama:

Oh so its Bush’s fault…. The lunacy of the left never ceases to amaze me…..

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We never really heard much about North Korea from 2001-2009 when we had a real President…..

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Thulsa Doom

February 12th, 2013
9:43 am

“It wasn Clinton’s Agreed Framework that brought the NKs to the table, and that program was *working* until President Bush decided to trash it.”

Aaaaaah. The blame W card. As predictable as the sun rising in the east. A kook never passes up the reliable blame W card.
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Well, Bush 43 can be blamed for that which he did.

He is afterall a man of personal responsibility, right?

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I love it when a simple glance at the map would stop someone from making a fool of himself.

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Oh boy, the absurdity and stupidity of the cons starts early in this thread. As usual, no facts.

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Joe Hussein Mama,

If North Korea had truly suspended its nuclear programs under the Clinton talks. Then there is no way that in only two years they would have been ready for a nuclear test. The North Koreans while talking a good talk were never serious about not making a bomb. They merely were using Clinton’s good faith as a cover to continue building a bomb.

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The government of North Korea is dominated by the ruling Workers’ Party of Korea (WPK) and has been since North Korea’s inception in 1948.
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So the Workers dominate the government.
A progressive’s wet dream.

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Garbage talking bout facts.

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Keep Up the Good Fight!

Oh boy, the absurdity and stupidity of the cons starts early in this thread. As usual, no facts.

And where are your facts?

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NK was China’s NORTHERN neighbor

http://images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org/08/3/0/0/13902081003795748.png

oh. em. gee.

Liberal Nightmare, this is, if such a thing is possible, even funnier than that time you were lecturing us “takers” about public school funding, and you let slip that your parents were actually footing the bill for your own kids’ private school education.

And now I learn you can’t even read a flippin’ map.

I can’t wait for your third act, it’s gonna be awesome.

/drive-by

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ty webb

I thought the reporter’s explanation was pretty weak. Just a slight modification to the sentence and it could’ve read no lifetime healthcare for him and his wife.

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It was so nice to see the arrogant narcissist being lectured by someone of his own race about the mistakes we are making in our health care system. He was trapped….. he couldn’t get away without looking like more of a dunce than normal. Can’t call this guy a racist like many Bozo critics are called. Nothing but pragmatic good sense to fix a problem without spending us into the poorhouse. Haven’t seen too many criticize him as well. Bozo couldn’t wait to get out of there but that 27 minute speech put things in perspective better than all of Bozo’s lies, arm twisting and demonizing.

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Tax rate in North Korea?
100% (unless you work for the government)
Then it’s 98.5%.—————
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Another progressive wet dream.
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Where’s the love?

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Doom — “N. Korea definitely lies south of the Northeastern part of China. However, when looking at a map of Asia its clear that North Korea lies north of the majority of China. No charge for the geography lesson missy.”

Argue with the map, son. (laughing, pointing)

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Doom

I only do ridiculous when playing with toddler G.

JHM is correct…..what is better slow or fast?

Thulsa, do you think we should now make war on North Korea?

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No arguing with the map ma’am. It only confirms what I said. (rolling on the ground laughing)

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so is Canada considered our eastern neighbor?…It’s on Alaska’s eastern border

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Rodong Sinmun, mouthpiece of the ruling Workers’ Party of Korea, heaped praise on Jong Un in a Jan. 13 post to its website, saying the young leader exuded the “aroma of a great man.”

The report likened Jong Un’s warm humanity to a spring sun and said his emotions were as wide as the ocean. It said his philosophical side was as deep as a lake.

Such saccharin commentary reflects a push to deify Jong Un to cult status like his father and grandfather before him.
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Well…………..Obama made the tides recede.
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IMO the most important question that I haven’t seen surface bout this guy is can we expect the Moe hairdo the new sensation in hair styling?

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Congratulations Jay, I was waiting for the blast against the GOP somewhere somehow but it never came! You must be having a bad day!

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When we take military action off the table with North Korea and there are no more sanctions as Jay says…..what is Iran’s incentive to stop their program too? Nothing. And so, we’ll watch Iran join NK in the nuclear weapons game and the media will blame Bush for it while telling the world what a great diplomat Obama is around the world and you koolaid lappers will drink it up like candy.

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“When we have questions about medical insurance, we’ll call on you, Doom. Until then, your contributions are not needed.”

And yet my jester responds.

“If you have no work to do this morning, you could always crack a book and smarten up.”

Sez the blogger who spends all day at work on a blog. Perhaps we really do need some more HB-1 visas. Sorta get rid of some of those dead weight inefficient IT folks who sit on their asses all day blogging on company time.

So the age old question still hasn’t been answered. Was Joe Mama 100% wrong when he was a Republican years ago and he’s 100% right today? Or was he 100% right back in his Republican days and now he’s 100% wrong? The answer is neither. In Joe’s world he was 100% right back when he was an R and now today he’s 100% right now that he’s a lib. And no. They’re not mutually exclusive. Not in Joe’s little noggin anyway. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

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Starving the inhabitants of a country to collapse a
regime will create willing participants to your ambitions
for that country every time.

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I. Finger — “You seemed to have forgotten this Joe. Bush had North Korea tamed after that 2006 joke of a detonation.”

Bulldada. They went right along with preparing for their *next* test.

The only thing President Bush managed to tame was Barney.

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Frog, I believe the sanctions imposed by many countries include the exceptions for:
•humanitarian efforts and goods, such as food and medical supplies or equipment;
•stabilization and reconstruction assistance and activities

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Fly-On-The-Wall

So, Itchy, what would you have the President do with this latest action by NK? Seriously, you b!tch, moan, and complain but you can’t tell us what you or a Republican President (say…Mitt) would do any different then our President is currently doing.

Show strength. Not weakness… This President started by going around the world on an apology tour bowing before various leaders.. We are now laughed at. Not feared as we are under Republican leadership….

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Oh Lord it hard to be humble,when you are perfect in every way………Delta Doomy

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RB — “When we take military action off the table with North Korea”

I’ll bite. What’s your plan for taking on North Korea?

What military units would you use in what ways?

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JHM

He didn’t really to do well with Barney either …he was apparently a “nipper”

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Make them sign a pledge prepared by Grover Norquist ….lmao!

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This morning’s inconvenient fact:

The North Korean government and the Republican Party are the only two major non-scientific organizations in the world (there are NO scientific ones) that think anthropogenic climate change is a hoax.

What a pair!

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doom

Mighty protector of the bush legacy – see no evil, speak no evil, and especially hear no evil. Yes, it probably was third rate cheney who advised georgie to be tough guy with n. korea and the FACT is they thumbed their nose at him and built nukes – the truth hurts! They couldn’t leave well enough alone but trashed everything clinton.
Love the way the right has been glomming onto this “uppity” pastor ready to shine his shoes but opinions are like your butt, everyones’ got one. Sure, say what you want, be coy, and make yourself sound cool but the fact of the matter is that YOU are not president and making the tough decisions, you’ll never please all the people all the time. There are some fools who believed in elmer fudd, that’s their perogative…

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Kim-jong Un……….Ahmadinejad…………..Obama.
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The good guys eventually win in the end. Who the good guys are, I don’t know yet,……………..but I do know that the good guys do not murder 16 year-old american citizens, innocents at wedding celebrations , or first responders at said crime scenes.
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Live it, learn it………..deal with it.

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Hey ITCHY, you might have a hemi causing that itch.

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EC,

Now you getting all extreme. As I clearly stated N. Korea lies UNDER the northeast Chinese panhandle so of course it is under China. But its also north of most of China and that’s probably what the poster was looking at. No biggie.

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Joe Hussein Mama

I. Finger — “You seemed to have forgotten this Joe. Bush had North Korea tamed after that 2006 joke of a detonation.”

Bulldada. They went right along with preparing for their *next* test.

The only thing President Bush managed to tame was Barney.

Got proof? We’re you there? Didn’t think so.. They conducted no more tests or even made an inkling of noise the rest of the Bush Presidency… But when obama assumed the Presidency.. It was on!!!

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Doom – You can interpret my comment two ways

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Maybe obama can just raise taxes on North Korea…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qlCkrib7tAM#at=21

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“Mighty protector of the bush legacy – see no evil, speak no evil, and especially hear no evil.”

Mick,

To the contrary Mick. You believe that because of your preconceived notions or ASSumptions about what you think cons think.

In my view W was a poor president for a number of reasons but mostly for the debt buildup and spending.

But what I find amusing is that while cons for the most part seem to admit to W’s failure to contain spending as well as other faults the only thing libs do is blame everything under Obama’s watch on W. I’ve never seen anything like it. Its like the man has no responsibility for anything. He will literally spend 8 years blaming his failures on the previous president. I don’t what’s sadder- his lack of responsibility and accountability or the fact that people believe this crap that nothing is his responsibility.

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Itchy Finger
Maybe obama can just raise taxes on North Korea…
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Obama can’t raise taxes on North Carolina.

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Thulsa Doom

Again, Do you want to make war on North Korea?

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Couldn’t it be said that North Korea’s development of a nuclear weapon could be justified by the same rationale as the pro gun lobby that the only way to prevent a bad guy with a bomb is for a good guy to have a bomb? After all we can only name one country that has dropped a nuclear bomb on another country.

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Any recommendations how to stop North Korea and Iran?

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Michael — “While I agree that a slow development would be preferable, you have to realize that my point was that this was/is going to happen. North Korea had then and has now, no intention of not making the bomb. They just hid it better under Clinton, and were more blatant under Bush. Please don’t forget that they have continued to be just as blatant with it under President Obama.”

Of course they have. Since they managed to assemble one and test it in 2006, there’s no longer any incentive for them to return to the old Agreed Framework program. In fact, since that first test in 2006, they’ve acted as if *they* were calling the shots. They did so when Bush was in the White House and they’re continuing to do so now that Obama’s there. And I imagine they’ll treat Obama’s successor the same way. As I said earlier, the tin-pot dictators of the world have learned their lesson well: once you get nukes, the US won’t push you around any more.

But more to the point, since you’ve conceded that an NK nuke was *inevitable,* I’m not sure why you’re disagreeing with me. If crazoid nuke development is *inevitable,* then it is incumbent upon us to do everything possible to *slow down* the weapons programs of crazoids, don’t you agree? If not, I’d like to know what you propose as an alternative.

“It is my opinion that after the Bush (H. W.) Presidency, when Clinton and Bush (W) allowed India and Pakistan to develop the bomb, we lost our ability to say who gets what in the world of nuclear weapons. We the whole of the Western “Free World” have become a paper tiger in respect to nuclear non-proliferation. This administration has done a no better job than the previous two in actually stopping rogue states from obtaining nuclear weapons.”

FWIW, it’s not *explicitly* our job to do that — it’s more the job of the UN Security Council and the IAEA. That said, I think we quietly do a lot of the heavy lifting behind the scenese.

“Short of war, which mind you I am in no way supporting, there is no way to stop North Korea or Iran from building bombs. There leaders don’t care about sanctions, nor the hardships that are imposed on the population as a result. Time we protect ourselves and let the rest of the world sort this out.”

What do you recommend? Some sort of ABM shield? That wouldn’t necessarily help against sub-launched missiles, cruise missiles or weapons secreted aboard civilian vessels (sailed into commercial harbors and then detonated). I’m genuinely curious about your recommendation.

“Unfortunately, while we are still the biggest kid on the block, we have neither the resources nor the man power to keep all the other kids in-line.”

Agreed. I’m all for slowing the bad guys down as much as possible while we get as much defensive research done *ourselves* as possible.

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The pic of Kim Jong-Un up top, almost looks like he’s doing it Gangnam style.

And where the heck does he get his haircuts?

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Joe Hussein Mama:

That’s been debunked time and time again. If you’ve got a specific criticism about something he’s done, fine — tell us *specifically* what’s got you upset. But please don’t retreat to that debunked crap about ‘apology tour.’

Yep its been debunked….. But if you have proof otherwise I’ll take a look… Its right there on video the bowing….

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1523373286001/the-real-obama-the-apology-tour/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRA9zNQxg1A

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Fred

Saw your link both downstairs and here.

Damn.

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Thulsa Doom

February 12th, 2013
10:32 am

“Again, Do you want to make war on North Korea?”

Granny Godzilla,

Absolutely not. For what reason would we go to war with them? Nothing productive is going to come of it and we risk a much wider, more costly, and potentially catastrophic war with China. Are you hung up with the mindset that we cons are just itching to start another war?
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No just curious. It became more curious when you did not respond.

That said, diplomacy is out and war is out….

So in your opinion what should be done?

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Joe Hussein Mama

February 12th, 2013
10:38 am

And we do find the regime in North Korea a couple of cans short of a six pack don’t we?

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curious:

“Any recommendations how to stop North Korea and Iran?”

That same question was being asked in 1939 about some other folks.

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Thulsa Doom

“Threaten them with a Tea Party invasion…”

I dunno. I don’t see an army of middle aged folks in lawn chairs as being a very formidable invasion force.

How about the left wing loon Occupy Wall St slugs that the dems embraced….

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Itchy Finger

February 12th, 2013
10:40 am

Looks like the Menendez scandal is heating up… Oh wait were we talking about obama’s failure on North Korea…

http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/11/news-reports-bob-menendez-visited-donors-dominican-resort-home-in-2006/#ixzz2KcnV58k6

or not

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/02/peter_williams_robert_menendez_tipster.php?ref=fpa

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Mr Right

Did ya’ll know Chriss Dorner had left wing ties? If he was some right wing nut the news folks would be all over it like on some of the shootings blaming the tea party within hours!

Yeah funny how Jay hasn’t even mentioned anything about this…

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The real deterrent is to ignore them, still boycott everything that has to do with them, but don’t return phone calls. This bomb is half the power of Hiroshima, they use it and they will see what a real bomb looks like close up. These hard responses on the behalf of the right are not signs of strength they are signs of fear, it encourages these people. They are like a child dropping stuff to watch his parents pick it up.

If I were president I might even have a little fun with it. Call Kim Jong-Un up direct ask him out to lunch, tell him he wants to help him in his atomic experiment. Tell him the president wants to send a few of our best scientist over to speed things up. “I have just taken a poll and blowing North Korea off the face of the earth will just about guarantees Democrat dominance in my lifetime”. Might help China’s thinking too, next time they feel like hacking I just might hit that same button I used to pick up 80% approval ratings again, try for 100%. Why let the next president get all the glory, lets get this thing moving, what do you need, I’ll have it Fed Exed in the morning.

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Maybe obama can send Bill Ayers over there… Just idea’s out there to help the President….

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kayaker 71

February 12th, 2013
10:42 am
“Raw power rules the day in those countries….. Russia, Syria, Iraq, Iran, NK and numerous banana republics in Africa….. that’s all they comprehend.”

That’s exactly why these countries are trying to arm themselves. The most aggressive nation over the past 30 years has be the good ole U.S of A.

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Has anyone noticed how much Kim Jong-Un looks like the daemon character from the movie “Little Nickey”.

You know the demon that had breast growing out of his head????

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“Threaten them with a Tea Party invasion…”

Lol. The keyboard warriors were very helpful in the fight against Iraq. Who can forget their secret weapon, the quote that struck fear into them, “Lets blog about them here so we don’t have to fight them over there.”

Its time to attack North Korea all you keyboard warriors, start the battle with a new offensive, rice will now be known as “freedom rice.” That will show them.

Go get ‘em Teaboard warriors.

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So they still haven’t managed to perfect 1945 technology, eh? And they are nowhere near perfecting the 1960’s technology of putting the bomb on a guided missile? And we still could rain hellfire on North Korea and destroy their entire country in a matter of minutes if they tried anything stupid?

Anyway, we’ve tried sanctions for decades now – when are we going to get serious about negotiating with North Korea, and offer them the incentives they need to stop the stupid war-footing they’ve been on for 60 years? I’m not talking about capitulation – I’m talking about how North Korea desperately needs things like food and medicine. They also want guaranteed security. While it’s distasteful to grant something like that to a terrible regime that brainwashes its people, that’s the status quo – why not try something different? What we’re doing isn’t working – what’s the definition of insanity again?

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Thulsa Doom

diplomacy is out and war is out….

So in your opinion what should be done?

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Does anyone else think we are finally going to see sanity from the republicans tonight, when Rubio speaks? I heard rand Paul is supposed to give the tea party speech but I think considering the last election Rubio is going to have a lot riding on this speech, so is there a chance we’ll get truth and moderation?

No. And, no.

THBAEOSATSQ.

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PS: Here is the best preview of tonight’s SOTU I’ve found online, yet:

[W]e’re getting a State of the Union Speech by a deficit-obsessed centrist, rebutted by an arch-right Goldwater conservative, who is himself outdone by an Objectivist nut. And this is supposed to represent the complement of American viewpoints.

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“That’s exactly why these countries are trying to arm themselves. The most aggressive nation over the past 30 years has be the good ole U.S of A.”

Kind of like the FBI is aggressive against organized crime and that’s why they try to arm themselves.

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You poor cons still believe in the NeoCon view of the world – attack anyone we don’t like or anyone who has something we want. We’re the biggest, baddest dude on the block and nobody can tell us what to do.

And that’s how you end up with Iraq, Afganistan, and trillions in debt. But hey, you sure looked tough when you were pounding your chest.

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Isn’t a nuke just a big drone?

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For some reason, that picture of the Jonger makes me want to throw a pie in his face.

stands,

Too bad the rude pundit doesn’t have a preview of the speeches tonight.

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“I wouldn’t mind being a toilet scrubber at McDonalds if that was my job.”

the dog,

And that pretty much sums up the difference between you and me.

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“World apology tour?

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!”

Dam, I still needed “college transcripts.”

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“Says the guy that voted for the idiot that allowed 3000 Americans to be slaughtered in the twin towers”

You are talking about Clinton right? Because 95% of the planning of that event (when it could have been stopped) was during the Clinton administration. Blaming Bush for it is ridiculous.

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Go call a country one of the “axis of evil’ and expect them to kiss you butt, reckon’ that would work

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I can see all of the NK nuclear sites on Google Maps now. Take those over in conjunction with China, and then ride into downtown Pyonyang, knock on the palace door and hand him a foreclosure notice with Chase home finance as a logo. He’ll spend 4 years battling them in court, and his credit worthiness will be destroyed for at least 7.

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Imho, China will take care of North Korea; we won’t have to. With China evolving as an economy and government and seeking to expand its salability around the world, the time will come when it will see North Korea as the bastid child standing in the way.

I mean, when it comes to the competition of who best frees the human spirit, I’m afraid North Korea has already lost!

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Sorry, Jay. I didn’t catch that you unmoderated the above.

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Does the UN have a 2nd ammendment ?

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Curious,

While an interesting idea, we can see how well that is working with India and Pakistan. I for one am not a proponent of arming anyone else with nukes. Bad enough we were the ones who opened Pandora’s Box on this. (Although someone else surely would have) However, creating another nuclear standoff with a madman seems counter-productive. Remember, that we averted a number of nuclear exchanges with Russia only because of brave men on both sides who disregarded standing orders to launch.

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JamVet

How about the left wing loon Occupy Wall St slugs that the dems embraced….

The veterans, cops, school teachers, working moms and middle class white collar workers that played a huge role in helping expose the GOP as irrational and servile Wall Street sycophants?

The type of Americans that Frederick Douglass wrote about in the 1850s?

The Americans who helped crush the GOP in last November’s election?

How about them?

Occupy that.

You must have been asleep during that whole mess.. I only saw slugs at these events….

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willie lynch:

If you can’t tell you’re beyond help.

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