North Korea jerks the world’s chain once more

North Korea

The North Korean young’un, Kim Jong-Un, is making his bid to sit at the big people’s table. His country has just announced its third test of a nuclear bomb, this one considerably larger than those that preceded it (although still about half as powerful as the bomb dropped on Hiroshima in 1945).

The test inspired the usual round of diplomatic condemnation, employing rhetoric that was calibrated to communicate exactly the preferred degree of offense. The Obama administration described the test as a “highly provocative act”; the U.N.’s International Atomic Energy Agency used the somewhat less critical “deeply regrettable,” while China merely communicated its “staunch opposition” to the test.

China probably does staunchly oppose having a half-mad nuclear upstart on its border, but its other options are even less attractive. The rest of the world already refuses to do business with North Korea, and China could follow suit by cutting off badly needed oil and other supplies to its southern neighbor. However, doing so might greatly increase the flow of refugees across its border and could destabilize the Kim regime.

China has no interest whatsoever in provoking that degree of turmoil on its border, particularly when it would likely end in a reunified Korea under a U.S.-aligned government.

And while some American politicians may make noises about needing a more aggressive response, that too is just noise. International sanctions on North Korea have already been turned up to “11″; you can’t cut trade to less than nothing. And if you employ any sort of military option, you do so knowing that it will probably result in all-out war leading to the death of millions.

Like the Chinese, we have concluded that as bad as it is, the status quo is still better than the likely alternative.

– Jay Bookman

267 comments Add your comment

Jm

February 12th, 2013
8:07 am

Good so we’re agreed trade sanctions are generally ineffective in stopping a regime hellbent on having nuclear weapons

And how do we know he’s just “jerking our chain”

We’re talking about nuclear weapons

It has to be taken more seriously than that and we can’t allow crazy run Iran to acquire nuclear weapons

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 12th, 2013
8:08 am

Our arm chair warriors will likely have some very aggressive thoughts.

stands for decibels

February 12th, 2013
8:10 am

I just linked this downstairs, but for some background on China’s options (already nicely summarized by Jay):

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/13/world/asia/north-korea-nuclear-test-poses-challenge-to-chinas-xi-jinping.html?_r=0

And Jay’s right–we all say we want progress, but in truth the crappy ol’ status quo seems vastly preferable at times, to what progress would really mean.

stands for decibels

February 12th, 2013
8:10 am

Our arm chair warriors will likely have some very aggressive thoughts.

Yeah, get out your bingo cards.

Fred ™

February 12th, 2013
8:11 am

Fred ™

February 12th, 2013
8:12 am

LOL stands. Oh well. This one is for Kam if he ever comes on today:

http://www.ajc.com/ap/ap/crime/soccer-faces-epic-fight-against-match-fixing/nWMP6/

Granny Godzilla

February 12th, 2013
8:14 am

What would President Jm do?

What would Secretary General of the United Nations Jm do?

How much more seriously taken does this need to be? Exactly what does more seriously look like?

stands for decibels

February 12th, 2013
8:14 am

It has to be taken more seriously than that

Yea verily. I think your earlier committee report on this topic summarized the issues rather well.

Jay

February 12th, 2013
8:16 am

How impolite of you to ask, Granny! :>)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 12th, 2013
8:17 am

Granny, “more seriously” is whatever Obama is not doing. ;)

Common Sense isn't very Common

February 12th, 2013
8:18 am

Jm
And how do we know he’s just “jerking our chain”
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go by and ask him on your way to Singapore

Paul

February 12th, 2013
8:18 am

“The North Korean young’un, Kim Jong-Un, is making his bid to sit at the big people’s table. His country has just announced its third test of a nuclear bomb”

Maybe we could fulfill his needs by sending him a gift box with a Bushmaster and a ‘Reclaim Your Manhood” card?

Simple Truths

February 12th, 2013
8:18 am

FYI Libs and Cons, this is what crazy looks like! What we have here is the US, as bad as it may seem, pales in comparison.

Mick

February 12th, 2013
8:18 am

This is in china’s wheelhouse, they are the ones that need to do the behind the scenes adult talk with n. korea’s neophyte leader. The ball is in their court…

Jay

February 12th, 2013
8:20 am

Same issue, just on a different scale, Paul.

Granny "Impolite" Godzilla

February 12th, 2013
8:21 am

Geez Jay…..Seriously enquiring minds want to know…..

Paul

February 12th, 2013
8:22 am

Seriously, about our only realistic option is to keep the sanctions and isolation going.

stands – good NYTImes article downstairs. Thanks.

I liked this line: “it is still difficult to overcome” the mind-set, he said. “A lot of people are taking the very old-fashioned belief that North Korea is a strategic buffer, and they still believe American invaders would march over North Korea to come to China.”

We’ve spent the last few days discussing Americans who see themselves as heroic Rambos leading the charge with their assault weapons against a fascist, tyrannical, socialist gub’mint. Then we read this.

Seems all societies produce extremist fringe elements with influence.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 12th, 2013
8:24 am

I was reading about this earlier, and my general first reaction was, “so what?”. North Korea is a piss ant little nation, whose main claim to fame is that it is a nation of midgets due to malnutrition. If the “Great Leader (?) would spend more time and money providing for his people, they would be better off and more accepted world wide. Their paranoia is a class study for sure. Maybe we should detonate one of our larger weapons with a delegation of them in audience….just as a visual aid, you know…

Jay

February 12th, 2013
8:24 am

Granny, I was agreeing with your sentiment.

Granny "Impolite" Godzilla

February 12th, 2013
8:25 am

Jay, I got that….

Whatever

February 12th, 2013
8:25 am

Jay,

“young’un” = That’s very funny.

We don’t have a lot of good options here. War would be devastating for all involved and the surrounding countries.

BTW, it’s not the same issues as guns. When you paint with that broad a brush you will alienate any good conversation that could be had.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

February 12th, 2013
8:26 am

Happy Darwin Day!

Today marks the 204th anniversary of the birth of Charles Darwin. Rep. Rush Holt, a physicist (and Jeopardy! champion), has introduced a bill to designate Feb. 12 a national holiday.

OBIWAN

February 12th, 2013
8:27 am

No worries, Obozo will send them some F-16’s

Paul

February 12th, 2013
8:28 am

Whatever

If you’d been here the past couple weeks, you’d know many here are aware it’s not about guns – it’s about the psychological needs some kinds of guns fulfill for some mindsets.

OBIWAN

February 12th, 2013
8:28 am

Maybe a few drones….

Paul

February 12th, 2013
8:29 am

Finn

Or, as some wish to call it, “Liar Straight from the Pits of Hell” day.

Stevie Ray

February 12th, 2013
8:29 am

JAY

Why do anything? Let China take this one but seems to me the best way to deal with an obnoxious little boy is to ignore him. It shouldn’t be our job to provide leadership in resolution of this situation.

They apparently want recognition as a nuclear player however with some special treatment under non-proliferation treaties so they can have aspects of their program outside the inspection requirements. At one point, they wanted our committment to protect the regime from overthrow…

Let China deal with it. Be nice to see them step out of their foreign policy shell and own up to something.

Stevie Ray

February 12th, 2013
8:31 am

Actually I have a better idea. Why not send Sean Penn, Bono, Ashley Judd, Michael Moore and related political giants over there to patch this thing up?

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 12th, 2013
8:31 am

The only chains NK is jerking are the mindless voters of the U.S.
It’s all planned out by TPTB.
Think of it as an untapped cheap labor reserve….with Goldman Saches with the option————————–
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Reuters) – A united Korea — combining Asia’s fourth biggest economy with one of its poorest — could surpass that of Germany or Japan in economic might in the next 30-40 years, U.S. investment bank Goldman Sachs said on Monday.

Though North Korea’s planned economy system looks to be on the edge of collapse, it offers a LARGE AND CHEAP workforce, a wealth of minerals that the resource-poor South currently has to import to feed its industry and the likelihood of gains in productivity and its currency once economic reforms take hold.

“We project that a united Korea could overtake France, Germany and possibly Japan in 30-40 years in terms of GDP in U.S. dollar terms,” it said in a report.
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baaaaa

skipper

February 12th, 2013
8:33 am

When a nation has “Pugsly” as its leader, what do you expect? A penny-anti third world cesspool with a toad for a dictator…………a nation that cannot feed itself. The stage is set. A bad (or perhaps wacky) end will have to come sooner or later.

Stevie Ray

February 12th, 2013
8:38 am

Paul

February 12th, 2013
8:28 am

The gun issue can be a mental health issue but that is not what drives gun violence. Sure you have to be deranged to shoot up an elementary school but that specific instance and the root cause of the other thousands of gun killings a year are not related. Its’ all nice that BO is popping off about gun restrictions….I’m all for them but to suggest this will result in material, even correlated less killings indicates the core of these “strategies” amount to a lick and a promise. Our culture is a violent one….limiting a handful of weapons, that kill a small fraction of folks a year, isn’t going to mount to anything..nice political theatre though.

I can’t get past the 310,000,000 guns already in circulation that we know about.

Thomas

February 12th, 2013
8:39 am

Had my morning shot (or two) of tequila, read the book of John, prayed for 14 hours, and then had my morning call with Rumsfeld and Cheney who said god told them to bomb the rice eaters. Let his will be done- wait- who is will?

the dog

February 12th, 2013
8:40 am

I was hoping we would have a Ted Nugent post. Dang.

Stevie Ray

February 12th, 2013
8:41 am

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 12th, 2013
8:31 am

What’s the point other than this would be a yet another financial bonanza for Goldman and all the former government employees who jump between one and the other…

Wouldn’t take a minute for that dope to screw up a joint economy.

alex

February 12th, 2013
8:43 am

What Jay and granny QUARLING the king and queen of complex phraseology?…goodness and N. Korea too, batten down the hatches…. Climb under your desks students of political thought, it’s 1962..

As for JM, it’s not his job to come up with a plan he’s not been elected, regardless his point on Iran is justified.. What if Iran is allowed to get a nuclear weapon, is N. Korea a test case for what COULD happen. Inquiring minds want to know or we could be like the Granny and Jay show and make jokes…now that IS an intellectual discussion.

Jay, so you think that the N. Korea situation could end up in a unified Korea,aligned with the US,like East and West germany? Can the S. Korean economy support the N. Korean population?

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 12th, 2013
8:43 am

the sky is falling liberals have a problem

SCIENCE is catching up to GLOBAL WARMING VOODOO

and the truth shall set you free………. but not carbon free

Bjørn Lomborg
A new study shows that 40% of the warming we have seen the past 50 years can be ascribed not to man-made global warming but the so-called Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO).

This 50-80 year cycle is well-documented over the past 353 years.

Look at the top graph of global temperatures. The blue line indicates the long swings — steep temperature increase 1910-1940, slight cooling till 1975, another steep increase from 1975-2005 and now a standstill.

The UN interpreted this as “accelerating warming trends” — over the past 150 years temperatures rose 0.05oC/decade, over the past 100 years they rose 0.07oC/decade and the last 25 years a full 0.15oC/decade.

But if we take out the AMO, which is not man-made, we get the lower image — much clearer global warming over the past 100 years at pretty much a stable rate of 0.08oC/decade, no matter when you look.

There is still man-made global warming. But — according to this paper — only about half as much as what we used to think.

http://www.pnas.org/content/110/6/2058.abstract

stands for decibels

February 12th, 2013
8:45 am

Seems all societies produce extremist fringe elements with influence.

Take out the “seems” and you’ve got it.

by the way, when some guy (hi, Stevie Ray!) comes in here griping about the New York Times’ “liberal bias”, us good folks might want to remember how useful the Gray Lady can be when it comes to having boots on the ground (so to speak) capable of disseminating such information in a rational manner. And when people blithely dismiss traditional media as something that can be easily replaced by social networking and crowdsourcing? Wonderful as those resources can be, they’re a poor substitute for actual reporting and analysis by those who do it for a living and do it well.

/soapbox

Stevie Ray

February 12th, 2013
8:46 am

Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)

February 12th, 2013
8:26 am

Thanks for the info…I should have known this…we have christmas, easter etcetera but nothing for scientists…can’t for the life of me figure out why..

larry

February 12th, 2013
8:47 am

I’m more worried about that crazy guy who used to swing around with nothing on but a loin cloth while playing , or attempting to play, a guitar. Who , btw, has threated the president and other members of Congress. He has been invited to the State of the Union speech by a Rep. from , where else, Texas.

May i make a suggestion to the Secret Service. Make sure you have agents sitting next to, in front of, and in back of this man. Surround him and let him know that just one false move, out he goes.

Stevie Ray

February 12th, 2013
8:50 am

stands for decibels

February 12th, 2013
8:45 am

I’m terrifically flattered that you would call me out without provocation. Best way I can imagine to start the day!

My opinion about the NYT has little to do with the exceptional world events reporting as I’ve mentioned. It’s the completely biased editorial and related commentary. I’m not sure anyone here can dispute that..

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 12th, 2013
8:51 am

Stevie Ray

February 12th, 2013
8:41 am

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 12th, 2013
8:31 am

What’s the point other than this would be a yet another financial bonanza for Goldman and all the former government employees who jump between one and the other…

Wouldn’t take a minute for that dope to screw up a joint economy.
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Come now Stevie.
Are you THAT naive.
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“Dopes” are a dime a dozen.
They’re easily expendable.
See Hussein, OBL, the Shah of Iran, Noriega, etc………………..
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Improvershed people serve a purpose when neighboring Serfs get a little uppity.
See Mexico.

Stevie Ray

February 12th, 2013
8:54 am

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 12th, 2013
8:43 am

In the words of the late Sid Barrett, Careful with that axe Eugene…put on your flack jacket you are about to be called ignorant and the like. You probably knew this already.

I’m wondering if our government would fund more studies that challenge this political football..NO WAY…the liberals so desperately want us to all believe, without reservation that we can now predict the falling of the sky in 50 years..kinda like good old time religion..

mm

February 12th, 2013
8:54 am

Let China deal with it. It’s their backyard.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 12th, 2013
8:54 am

should dictators be required to get a background check before they acquire nuclear weapons?

stands for decibels

February 12th, 2013
8:56 am

Can the S. Korean economy support the N. Korean population?

There isn’t a nation on this planet that can’t support its own population, it’s all about resource management.

To state the obvious, get rid of those half-wit Stalinists and replace them with [warning--cheep shot ahead] even the least competent fourth-stringers from Team Dubya and the Nork citizens’ lot in life would improve exponentially.

ty webb

February 12th, 2013
8:56 am

Jerome Horwitz

February 12th, 2013
8:56 am

The US can huff and puff all we want, but, unless we’re willing to go to war with North Korea and Iran they will continue to develop nuclear weapons. I would keep trying the diplomatic and sanction angles, but, ultimately we have lettle leverage.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 12th, 2013
8:56 am

Stevie,
check this out…………. WE’VE ACTUALLY REDUCED OUR CARBON EMISSIONS BUT THE LIBERALS WANT A CARBON TAX ANYWAY….. SEEMS ITS NOT ABOUT LOWERING EMISSIONS BUT RAISING MORE TAXES TO SPEND.

Not since 1994 have U.S. CO2 emissions been as low as they were in 2012, according to a new report by Bloomberg New Energy Finance. Output of the heat-trapping gas fell 13 percent in the past five years, putting the country well on its way to meeting President Obama’s target of cutting emissions 17 percent from 2005 levels by 2020. By the end of last year, U.S. CO2 emissions were already down 10.5 percent from the 2005 baseline.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eco-nomics/2013/02/07/u-s-carbon-emissions-dip-to-1994-levels/

Stevie Ray

February 12th, 2013
8:57 am

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 12th, 2013
8:51 am

That’s fine but take a good look at what the outcome of IRAQ and IRAN from the overthrow of these “dopes”. Iraq is one the verge of more civil war and Iran…well we all know whats happening there eh?

IMO, keeping our noses out of other tents post WWII, would have resulted in a much more trusting global political environment.

Granny "Impolite" Godzilla

February 12th, 2013
8:58 am

alex

I’m delighted that you shared your opinion!

You do know that’s not your “job” either, right?

Or is it?

stands for decibels

February 12th, 2013
8:58 am

It’s the completely biased editorial and related commentary. I’m not sure anyone here can dispute that..

Anyone who’s actually read their editorial pages, day in and day out, can dispute that.

Not that the editorial section is terribly germane to this discussion.

Stevie Ray

February 12th, 2013
8:59 am

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 12th, 2013
8:56 am

Yup, read it. The idea of green energy sources is great. But to turn this into a means to screw companies out of more dollars to send overseas is silly.

ATL Tiger

February 12th, 2013
8:59 am

“y Darwin Day!

Today marks the 204th anniversary of the birth of Charles Darwin. Rep. Rush Holt, a physicist (and Jeopardy! champion), has introduced a bill to designate Feb. 12 a national holiday.”

Maybe England should set Feb 12 has a national holiday for their country. Seems more appropriate.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 12th, 2013
9:00 am

C. Sharpe — “I was reading about this earlier, and my general first reaction was, “so what?”. North Korea is a piss ant little nation, whose main claim to fame is that it is a nation of midgets due to malnutrition.”

I don’t know if malnutrition is to blame, but the NKs I saw in Panmunjom were indeed some scrawny little so-and-sos. Whereas the South Korean and American troops on the other side of the line were the biggest, meanest-looking ones we could find. In fact, the ROK troops (Republic of Korea) standing guard in Panmunjom are usually in the Tae Kwon Do ‘ready’ posture, as if they’re totally prepared to throw down at a moment’s notice.

Stevie Ray

February 12th, 2013
9:01 am

stands for decibels

February 12th, 2013
8:58 am

I do suffer through those and other media editorial pages daily and have for quite some time. How is is not germaine? You accused me of brushing the entire NYT as biased, I corrected you and now you suggest my comments are irrelevant to the conversation you offered?

Mike

February 12th, 2013
9:03 am

Jay, thanks to your introduction of “Carolina Chocolate Drops” a few Friday’s back, I am going to cross the border into Franklin, N.C. next week to see them live. Thanks!

Thomas

February 12th, 2013
9:03 am

I will say this- as much as we would like to believe the incredible strength of our military and police force- crazy ass Dorner is proving once again the US and its various gov’t cannot guarantee individual safety. Until then I am glad it appears individuals can keep some type of gun.

Itchy Finger

February 12th, 2013
9:05 am

What will obama do?

BuckeyeInGa

February 12th, 2013
9:05 am

Exactly how far can this “nuclear bomb” go? NK test one some months ago and it barely made it into the ocean.

Bill Orvis White

February 12th, 2013
9:06 am

NK and Un know that the weak-kneed leader of this once-free nation will lie down like a dead dog if attacked. The honorable Pres. Ronald Wilson Reagan and the honorable Pres. George W. Bush are good examples of real leaders with character who stare down those who dare to challenge the U.S. on any level. What Un sees from his red chair is an arrogant, incompetent installed leader in Washington who has an even bigger more unqualified cabinet around “him.” So, what does Un do? He thumbs his nose at us and GETS AWAY WITH IT! This is why WE ARE NOT SAFE FOLKS! So, you seculars get your heads out of the sand and pick up some common sense, religion and personal responsibility!
AMEN!
Bill

Itchy Finger

February 12th, 2013
9:06 am

Oh wait… It’s the Republicans job to do something according to lib thought….

Joe Hussein Mama

February 12th, 2013
9:07 am

BOW — “The honorable Pres. Ronald Wilson Reagan”

Just FYI, “Ronald Wilson Reagan” is an anagram for “Insane Anglo Warlord.”

Just sayin’. :D

Paul

February 12th, 2013
9:07 am

Stevie Ray

“The gun issue can be a mental health issue but that is not what drives gun violence”

I wasn’t speaking of gun violence. I was speaking of the issue that’s been discussed here – the type of weapon some people want to have to address some sort of personal, psychological need. You know – the “Reclaim your Manhood” Bushmaster advertising campaign illustrated. Same thing on a country-level with N Korea.

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” He has been invited to the State of the Union speech by a Rep. from , where else, Texas. ”

Larry, please… the shame and embarrassment is almost too much to bear……

But hey, we are making progress. The state senate refused to confirm Gov Perry’s past pick to head the Texas Board of Education (he believes the earth is literally 6000 years old and we did, indeed, walk with dinosaurs. He was DEFEATED when he ran for reelection – beat by a guy who just wanted to get involved and stop the craziness ) and the current nominee faces opposition for her political litmus test views for board members “how conservative and Christian are you?” and for organizing the Board by how conservative members are.

Slow…. glacial…. progress…..

http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/02/11/4613984/board-of-ed-chief-grilled-on-religion.html#storylink=misearch

Road Scholar

February 12th, 2013
9:08 am

Finn: “Happy Darwin Day!”

Did Broun come out of his bourrogh (sp) and see his shadow?

Stevie Ray: I was thinking we should send McCain and Nuggent to N Korea.

AmericaShrugged

February 12th, 2013
9:12 am

Perhaps Obama and Sir Hillary should consult with that other Nobel Peace Prize winner Jimmy Carter? Perhaps Jimmy can pay N. Korea a visit and work it all out like he did in the MIddle East. Perhaps Jay the journalist will learn that 2003 no nukes in N Korea, 2013 nukes in N Korea, would only be referred to as ’status quo’ in liberal lala land. Then when Iran develops their nukes Jay can declare it ’status quo’. When the mushroom clouds blossom and the nuclear wind blows Jay will say, thank Obama for status quo!!!

Paul

February 12th, 2013
9:12 am

ty webb

So he gets health care.

For five years.

And his family gets… no health care.

I think the intent came across pretty clearly.

St Simons - he-ne-ha

February 12th, 2013
9:13 am

these are 2 things today that cons & social dems like me can agree on -

-a unifed strong parent-like approach to a regime that generally wants
to be ‘like us’ whatever that means
-and, Georgia’s model pre-k program.
Lets work together.

Stevie Ray

February 12th, 2013
9:15 am

Paul

February 12th, 2013
9:07 am

My bad…fantastic correlation! Let’s ignore him….clearly he is not making any decisions over there. The remains of his dads advisors no doubt behind the scenes influencing the child.

Paul

February 12th, 2013
9:16 am

Bill Orvis White

All your posts, you’ve never told us the name of your drinking game.

weetamoe

February 12th, 2013
9:16 am

From Madame Secretary Albright applauding the first North Korean rocket launch (as guest of Dear Leader) to democrats and media demanding that GW Bush immediately engage in bilateral talks to convince Dear Leader to make nice to the utter abandonment of any diplomacy at all by Obama’s State the threat of that little communist state that the UN *police action* was supposed to eliminate still exists. The *police action* resulted in the deaths of thousands of young Americans. As for the armchair psychologists so knowledgeable about the masculine insecurity of gun owners, what do they make of Obama *doing skeet* in his pink tutu? And what about that NancyPpelosi asserting on Sunday interviews that the 1st amendment protects Americans’ right to keep and bear arms?

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 12th, 2013
9:17 am

Destabilization of a country is a top level goal, even if they are your friend. Any country at peace will start to think about developing their own resources, that cannot be allowed to happen.
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Lest we be accused of racism………..there will always have to be a yellow people who we make war upon.
The black and brown are easy.
The yellow……………not so much.
North Korea will be golden …for awhile.

Granny "Impolite" Godzilla

February 12th, 2013
9:17 am

Nobama And Shrugged

And to think you both could be working at the state department….

Joe Hussein Mama

February 12th, 2013
9:17 am

A. Shrugged — “Perhaps Jay the journalist will learn that 2003 no nukes in N Korea, 2013 nukes in N Korea, would only be referred to as ’status quo’ in liberal lala land.”

Just FYI, North Korea performed its first-ever nuclear test during the Bush administration. So to be accurate, your sentence should read ” . . . that 2003 no nukes in N Korea, 2006 nukes in N Korea . . .”

Stevie Ray

February 12th, 2013
9:17 am

How can anyone stand to watch live delivery of state of the union address? Why don’t they hold applause until he is done?

Who was that poster who told Jay to bite him? Another mental giant from the uber far right?

Thogwummpy

February 12th, 2013
9:18 am

Okay, here’s what the elitist Journalistards don’t grasp. It’s a technological context equation. The nuclear test, with revelation that it was done with lighter material and higher yield…isn’t just backing to the recent hostile rhetoric coming from Pyongyang. There are implications connected to the recent “weather satellite” (we really don’t know that payload) North Korea put into polar orbit back in December. Of course, columnist experts like Jay are out of their depth when it comes to threat analysis…but let me tip the insider buzz. A polar orbit allows an instrument to glide on a path that can fly over any point on Earth. A longitudinal orbit, while the planet revolves below…means there is no point that a North Korean device can not target. They don’t need an ICBM that can reach America; they can do it anyway. Of course the reaction of the mouth breather public is, “so what, they put a nuke or two in orbit like that, we can still wipe them out. AHM…not so fast. The polar orbit nuke is a gamed-out theory on how a small state can level the playing field with a super power. Pop off a nuclear device or two a hundred miles up over the United States, and the EMP (electromagnetic pulse) fries our electronics for thousands of miles in radius below (destroying our electical grid, your car electronics, computers, etc.)—a threat not only to our military command and control apparatus (possibly crippling our ability to respond), but it would collapse our society…and it’s estimated that in the first year after an EMP attack, 75-100 million Americas will starve to death [because there's no mechanization to plant and harvest crops or transport food to market]. The United States, or China, or Russia, or ANY nation on the planet, is now under a more severe threat from North Korea. This test in context with the successful ability to put a device in polar orbit…IS what the professionals see as a new threat level; a serious capability by North Korea. The amatuer naturally shrugs off this new test. The analysts quietly get the implication. Of course if they were to broadcast that fear, there might be panic. But just know, it IS a big deal.

Lynnie Gal

February 12th, 2013
9:18 am

Happy Darwin Day! Here’s hoping that Republicans will evolve from the reptilian stage to become real human beings one day! (and he North Korean midget dictator, too.)

Granny "Impolite" Godzilla

February 12th, 2013
9:18 am

and weetamoe too……

Paul

February 12th, 2013
9:19 am

Stevie Ray

Lots of truth regarding the behind the scenes actions. Standard action for the last couple of these heirs-to-the-throne before and during the ascension has been to reassure the military brass that they’re more than happy to continue with the figurehead position and let the military get the lion’s share of the resources and the generals retain their opulent lifestyles.

Nobama

February 12th, 2013
9:19 am

Stevie Ray – Bite me

Erwin's cat

February 12th, 2013
9:20 am

Thanks for the info…I should have known this…we have christmas, easter etcetera but nothing for scientists…

we have Engineers week next week
http://www.eweek.org/Home.aspx

Stevie Ray

February 12th, 2013
9:22 am

Road Scholar

February 12th, 2013
9:08 am

Maybe they will imprison both…I did attend no small amount of Nugent concerts in high school. It wasn’t until much later that I learned his anthem Stranglehold can be interpreted to be about abusing women…

you ran that night that you left me
you put me in my place
i got you in a stranglehold baby
then i crushed your face

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 12th, 2013
9:22 am

Stevie Ray

February 12th, 2013
8:57 am

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 12th, 2013
8:51 am

That’s fine but take a good look at what the outcome of IRAQ and IRAN from the overthrow of these “dopes”. Iraq is one the verge of more civil war and Iran…well we all know whats happening there eh?
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Apparently..you ARE that naive.
Everyone that is anyone made billions off of those fiascos…….and the outcomes are EXACTLY what TPTB wanted.
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Get a clue dude.

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maximum

February 12th, 2013
9:22 am

Welcome back, Faux Webb! Where have you been?

GT

February 12th, 2013
9:22 am

Seriously how far can these guys go with this stuff? They ultimately give us an excuse to nuke them to the cave age if they keep playing with fire. If we are smart we let China handle them, they are more in direct range of fire. South Korea, I am sure, is putting pressure on the US but a calm patient approach to this will pay dividends.

ty webb

February 12th, 2013
9:23 am

Paul,
that’s fine…Just thought some inquiring minds would like the rest of the story…Jay apparently doesn’t.

stands for decibels

February 12th, 2013
9:23 am

You accused me of brushing the entire NYT as biased, I corrected you and now you suggest my comments are irrelevant to the conversation you offered?

I’m sorry if the council of concern trolls is concerned.

But to address your concern for a moment (and really that’s all I got here) — no, I don’t think your take on the NYT editorial page is relevant. I’ve heard you complain about my sourcing the NYT for hard news stories, and it’s a bogus complaint.

But if we are to cover simply the assertion that their editorial pages are “biased” (whatever that’s even supposed to mean), well, their editorial pages cover a pretty representative spectrum of what’d be considered Establishment opinion within the NYC metro area. To expect them to have people as regulars who are more hard-right than, say, William Safire (back in the day) or Ross Douthat (these days) is to dignify America’s extremists which, frankly, isn’t SOP in NYC, certainly not for its Newspaper of Record.

And now I’ve already wasted more of my beautiful mind on this ridiculous topic than I should have, so…

/drive-by

Stevie Ray

February 12th, 2013
9:24 am

Nobama

February 12th, 2013
9:19 am

Thanks very much genius. What exactly does “bite me” mean in this context? What part of your anatomy am I supposed to bite? Are you a masochist wanting to get bit?

Thulsa Doom

February 12th, 2013
9:24 am

“To state the obvious, get rid of those half-wit Stalinists and replace them with [warning--cheep shot ahead] even the least competent fourth-stringers from Team Dubya and the Nork citizens’ lot in life would improve exponentially.”

Or we could replace them with obama folks and watch real income decrease nearly 10% in 4 years as it has in this country.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 12th, 2013
9:26 am

Thogwummpy — “There are implications connected to the recent “weather satellite” (we really don’t know that payload) North Korea put into polar orbit back in December. Of course, columnist experts like Jay are out of their depth when it comes to threat analysis…but let me tip the insider buzz.”

You must not be that much of an insider if you didn’t know that that satellite’s been tumbling out of control pretty much since it entered orbit.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/12/18/astronomers-say-apparently-malfunctioning-north-korea-satellite-could-orbit/

Thulsa Doom

February 12th, 2013
9:26 am

“I’ve heard you complain about my sourcing the NYT for hard news stories, and it’s a bogus complaint.”

True. Its every bit as valid as Stalin sourcing Pravda.

Itchy Finger

February 12th, 2013
9:26 am

Will obama’s legacy on foreign policy be called piece through weakness? Just wondering..

Stevie Ray

February 12th, 2013
9:30 am

stands for decibels

February 12th, 2013
9:23 am

You’ve got to be kidding me. So the NYT editorial board and pundits are not biases? Yes, I agree the topic you tabled was not very well thought out and should be terminated immediately.

alittlecommonsense

February 12th, 2013
9:31 am

Funny……

Didn’t we just have a blog here a couple of weeks ago where all the libs were arguing that the sanctions against North Korea were working wonderfully?

Nobama

February 12th, 2013
9:31 am

Stevie – what are you wearing right now ?

Itchy Finger

February 12th, 2013
9:32 am

I can’t believe Jay dare’s write about something such as this. There’s simply no way to spin the fact that North Korea along with Iran has increased in danger during the last four years under obama.

JohnnyReb

February 12th, 2013
9:32 am

Will Obama tonight give more than passing mention to Iran, Northe Korea and a growing Al Qaeda or will all his time be taken making the case taking guns from Citizens and “investing” in more welfare programs and tax money laundering to unions?

GT

February 12th, 2013
9:33 am

Of course, columnist experts like Jay are out of their depth when it comes to threat analysis

Now that is rich. The terminal disease of the right is they are shallow and now here comes one of their midgets calling Jay our of his depth.

Good journalism and analysis is the most crucial defense against the crazies. Poor Jay is working himself to the bone to bring that to us.

Liberal Nightmare

February 12th, 2013
9:34 am

“…….China could follow suit by cutting off badly needed oil and other supplies to its southern neighbor.”

Ah the obvious product of public education. Jeeesh Cookman, at least proofread. Last time I checked NK was China’s NORTHERN neighbor. Even more funny is you incredibly smart lib followers of Coo-koo don’t know your geography either. Maybe you confused NK with India??

Shouldn’t you be writing a response to this obvious racist who knows nothing about medicine? oh wait….

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/02/11/dr_ben_carson_on_criticizing_obamacare_somebody_has_to_stand_up_to_the_bullies.html

Michael

February 12th, 2013
9:35 am

Sadly, short of war, there is nothing we can do. North Korea and eventually Iran will have full out nuclear weapons. We have no one to blame but ourselves (read Western world). When the UN, IAEA, NATO, and the US allowed India and Pakistan to develop nukes, while we sat on our thumbs and hurled sanctions, nasty worded condemnation, and strongly worded warnings. The true crazies of the world took note. They realized that for all our bluster, we were not even united with a common message. Russia and to some extent China helped India and Pakistan create there bombs and are doing the same for Iran. This is a failure of leadership on a massive scale that starts in the 90’s or before and continues to this day. We in the “Free World” have allowed this to happen and we the “Free World” now will watch the rise of at least 2 new nuclear power. This is what it feels like to become a “paper tiger” Your thoughts, Jay?

Itchy Finger

February 12th, 2013
9:35 am

alittlecommonsense:

They think everything is working wonderfully. They are like the little kid that gets beat up on the playground and runs home to mommy. Then mommy asks what happened to your face. Well I got in a fight on the playground but you should see the other kids fists…