For the man who killed bin Laden, what’s next?
Esquire magazine has a fascinating, lengthy interview with the unnamed member of Seal Team 6 credited with killing Osama bin Laden. “The Shooter,” as he’s called in the piece, recently left the service after 16 years, four short of the 20 years needed for a pension and health care.
Like many who leave the military, he doesn’t know what to do next in his life.
He does know he doesn’t want anything more to do with guns or killing people, so that line of work is out. His marriage is ending, although he and wife are separating on good terms. And lurking in the background is fear that they or their children may become targets for retribution.
As his wife puts it:
“He gave so much to his country, and now it seems he’s left in the dust. I feel there’s no support, not just for my family but for other families in the community. I honestly have nobody I can go to or talk to. Nor do I feel my husband has gotten much for what he’s accomplished in his career.”
Exactly what, if any, responsibility should the government have to her family?
The loss of income and insurance and no pension aside, she can no longer walk onto the local base if she feels a threat to her family. They’ve surrendered their military IDs. If something were to happen, the Shooter has instructed her to take the kids to the base gate anyway and demand to see the commanding officer, or someone from the SEAL team. “He said someone will come get us.”
Because of the mission, she says that “my family is always going to be at risk. It’s just a matter of finding coping strategies.”
The whole piece is definitely worth a read, particularly if you’ve seen the movie version, “Zero Dark Thirty,” which is absolutely absorbing. But here are a few excerpts to whet your appetite:
“We all wrote letters (before the bin Laden operation). I had my … little room and I’m sitting on my Pelican case with all my gear, a manila envelope on my bed, and I’m writing letters to my kids. They were to be delivered in case of my death, something for them to read when they’re 35. I have no idea what I said except I’m explaining everything, that it was a noble mission and I hope we got him. I’m saying I wish I could be there for them.
“And the tears are hitting the page, because we all knew that none of us were coming back alive. It was either death or a Pakistani prison, where we’d be raped for the rest of our lives.”
He gave the letters to an intel guy not on the mission, with instructions. He would shred them if he made it back.
“You write it, it’s horrible, you hand it off, and it’s like, Okay, that part’s over. And I’m back, ready to roll.”
Then they’re gathered by a fire pit (in Afghanistan), suiting up. Just before he got on the chopper to leave for Abbottabad, the Shooter called his dad. “I didn’t know where he was, but I found out later he was in a Walmart parking lot. I said, ‘Hey, it’s time to go to work,’ and I’m thinking, I’m calling for the last time. I thought there was a good chance of dying.
He knew something significant was up, though he didn’t know what.” The Shooter could hear him start to tear up. “He told me later that he sat in his pickup in that parking lot for an hour and couldn’t get out of the car.”
On preparations should things go awry:
“The group discussed what would happen if they were surrounded by Pakistani troops. We would surrender. The original plan was to have Vice-President Biden fly to Islamabad and negotiate our release with Pakistan’s president.
This is hearsay, but I understand Obama said, Hell no. My guys are not surrendering. What do we need to rain hell on the Pakistani military? That was the one time in my life I was thinking, I am f…ing voting for this guy. I had a picture of him lying in bed at night, thinking, ‘You’re not f…ing with my guys.’ Like, he’s thinking about us.”
On approaching the bin Ladin compound:
“I remember banking to the south, which meant we were getting ready to hit. We had about another fifteen minutes. Instead of counting, for some reason I said to myself the George Bush 9/11 quote: Freedom itself was attacked this morning by a faceless coward, and freedom will be defended. I could just hear his voice, and that was neat. I started saying it again and again to myself. Then I started to get pumped up. I’m like: This is so on.”
On the end of the long hunt, as they moved through the compound toward the target:
“We had to move, because bin Laden is now going to be grabbing some weapon because he’s getting shot at. I had my hand on the point man’s shoulder and squeezed, a signal to go. The two of us went up. On the third floor, he tackled the two women in the hallway right outside the first door on the right, moving them past it just enough. He thought he was going to absorb the blast of suicide vests; he was going to kill himself so I could get the shot. It was the most heroic thing I’ve ever seen.
I rolled past him into the room, just inside the doorway.
There was bin Laden standing there. He had his hands on a woman’s shoulders, pushing her ahead, not exactly toward me but by me, in the direction of the hallway commotion. It was his youngest wife, Amal.
He looked confused. And way taller than I was expecting. He had a cap on and didn’t appear to be hit. I can’t tell you 100 percent, but he was standing and moving. He was holding her in front of him. Maybe as a shield, I don’t know.
For me, it was a snapshot of a target ID, definitely him. Even in our kill houses where we train, there are targets with his face on them. This was repetition and muscle memory. That’s him, boom, done….
And I remember as I watched him breathe out the last part of air, I thought: Is this the best thing I’ve ever done, or the worst thing I’ve ever done?”
At the end of “Zero Dark Thirty,” the camera focuses on the CIA analyst whose dedication and even obsession with tracking bin Laden finally ended up putting him in a body bag. Her mission complete, she has no idea what comes next or where to turn. The Shooter clearly shares both her sense of great accomplishment and her sense of emptiness.
– Jay Bookman
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Itchy Finger
February 11th, 2013
8:41 pm
Jackie
Where does President Obama get this “magic pile of money?”
he simply keeps printing it… LOL….
Itchy Finger
February 11th, 2013
8:42 pm
Doggone/GA:
Google is your friend sport…
Itchy Finger
February 11th, 2013
8:44 pm
http://www.stripes.com/news/special-reports/election-2012/what-obama-s-re-election-means-for-the-military-veterans-1.196225
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 11th, 2013
8:44 pm
Google is your friend sport…
Oh the irony from the poster who can’t research waterboarding when shown US cases.
Jackie
February 11th, 2013
8:45 pm
@Itchy
Stop reading bumper stickers and try to get a good handle on how our democratic republic works.
Our government is commonly referred to as a three-legged stool; the Legislative (House and Senate); the Administrative (President); the Judicial(Supreme Court).
The Legislative writes laws and allocates money; the President can veto that legislation or be overridden by the Legislative branch; the Supreme Court reviews laws passed and determines if they meet Constitutional muster.
In a nutshell, that is all there is to our government.
Doggone/GA
February 11th, 2013
8:46 pm
“Oh the irony from the poster who can’t research waterboarding when shown US cases”
And who doesn’t appear to know even the most basic facts of our political system!
Jackie
February 11th, 2013
8:46 pm
@Itchy
You are working on your comedic routine, right?
TaxPayer
February 11th, 2013
8:46 pm
Poor Republicans. Seriously. They’re poor. Except for the 1 percent that the remainder of them serve. So sad.
independent thinker
February 11th, 2013
8:46 pm
Just remeber which party dissed veterans in their convention and campaign by letting a man born into a family of draft dodgers run as the presidential candidate. Just look at he difference a week later at the Democratic convention. To the shooter- Thanks and the President will never consider you part of any group that is mooching off the rest of us.
Gimme Gimme Gimme
February 11th, 2013
8:46 pm
Doggone – “got proof?”
Yes – try the archives to your right.
Itchy Finger
February 11th, 2013
8:47 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!:
Oh the irony when no proof has been given that either legislatively or through the courts has water boarding been deemed torture….
TaxPayer
February 11th, 2013
8:47 pm
You are working on your comedic routine, right?
If so he shouldn’t quit his day job.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 11th, 2013
8:50 pm
Oh the irony when given the proof and a poster choses intentional ignorance.
Itchy Finger
February 11th, 2013
8:50 pm
Jackie:
Just throwing facts out.. I guess in your obama supporting mind you can’t handle them….. I’ve provided real links to legitimate websites. You’ve provided nothing but talk….
Itchy Finger
February 11th, 2013
8:51 pm
Jackie:
it’s bedtime for me… Until you can inform yourself and understand the failures of the man we now have in the White House arguing with you is like arguing with a stop sign…. Its repetitious and irrelevant…..
Jackie
February 11th, 2013
8:52 pm
@Keep
You are working too hard!
moonbat betty
February 11th, 2013
8:53 pm
I haven’t read the magazine write up yet, but this article seems vague and written by Oprah.
Jackie
February 11th, 2013
8:54 pm
@Itchy
The professionals says that sleep deprivation tends to confuse us. I am glad that you are going to get LOTS of sleep!!!!!
Read a book on government; it will help you to sleep soundly.
Doggone/GA
February 11th, 2013
8:54 pm
“Just throwing facts out”
Hate to break it to you, but just because you say it…doesn’t mean it’s actually a FACT. The Humpty Dumpty philosophy doesn’t work so well in the real world.
Itchy Finger
February 11th, 2013
8:54 pm
Jackie:
Stop reading bumper stickers and try to get a good handle on how our democratic republic works.
Our government is commonly referred to as a three-legged stool; the Legislative (House and Senate); the Administrative (President); the Judicial(Supreme Court).
The Legislative writes laws and allocates money; the President can veto that legislation or be overridden by the Legislative branch; the Supreme Court reviews laws passed and determines if they meet Constitutional muster.
In a nutshell, that is all there is to our government.
But one more thing. You fail to understand that the last two years its hasn’t worked like that.. Again. Inform yourself before trying to tackle a debate on an issue such as this. This President has racked up enormous debt that our children and Grandchildren will have to repay… It’s sad.. but at least we have a Republican house trying to stop him from running us completely into the ground…..
Jackie
February 11th, 2013
8:56 pm
@Itchy
The President has not racked up a penny in debt; he does not have the authority.
Secondly, if the Congress did not allocate money to help feed the economy, you would have to go to be so early and get sleep for your work tomorrow because you would have no job.
Doggone/GA
February 11th, 2013
8:57 pm
“This President has racked up enormous debt that our children and Grandchildren will have to repay”
got proof?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 11th, 2013
8:59 pm
The Legislative writes laws and allocates money…
Followed by:
This President has racked up enormous debt…
Oh, the irony.
moonbat betty
February 11th, 2013
8:59 pm
I say give them a good job and the security that is required.
Shouldn’t even be an issue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBcMKwbMEcQ
TaxPayer
February 11th, 2013
9:01 pm
Jindal definitely had twitchy finger in mind when he said that the GOP should stop being the stupid party.
JamVet
February 11th, 2013
9:06 pm
betty, was reading about the new TR album coming out in April and someone linked this band, which I’d never heard before.
Like the Ting Tings, they are an English boy/girl duet, but with a much more sophisticated sound.
Have you ever heard them?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3Cg1wxgX6M
Jackie
February 11th, 2013
9:06 pm
Good night all.
I have to do studying for my Corporate Taxes Class.
dbm
February 11th, 2013
9:09 pm
DebbieDoRight – A Do Right Woman
February 11th, 2013
5:03 pm
In a free market, government protects individual rights so that force does not determine outcomes. In the prostitution industry in its current form, government protection is absent because prostitution is forced outside the law. This leaves pimps able to use force on the prostitutes, the opposite of a free market. That market is not free.
To put it another way, the prostitutes are not free. In fact, they are enslaved. You acknowledged as much when you said the pimps own the prostitutes. Slavery is incompatible with a free market.
moonbat betty
February 11th, 2013
9:18 pm
No, have not, Jam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT8RnVm1k_8
stands for decibels
February 11th, 2013
9:19 pm
I read the Esquire piece (all 26 pages). Recommend everyone who hasn’t, do so as well.
moonbat betty
February 11th, 2013
9:21 pm
This thread is F’d up.
Itchy, can you please change your name?
stands for decibels
February 11th, 2013
9:22 pm
…and I can confirm what Jay said about the article–The Shooter doesn’t say anything about whether he was interested in seeking some other kind of assignment within the service in order to qualify for a pension and lifetime medical benefits. It was obvious, though, that he was done with carrying a gun on the job, and couldn’t bear to be away from home 300+ days/year any more.
It would be interesting to know what kind of work would be available within the service for such a man.
moonbat betty
February 11th, 2013
9:22 pm
stands,
why do you think Esquire got the interview?
not a set up, just curious…
stands for decibels
February 11th, 2013
9:25 pm
mb, not Esquire so much, but this writer, got it the old fashioned way–hard work, lots of time getting to know the subject and establishing trust with him.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 11th, 2013
9:26 pm
Itchy, can you please change your name?
I recommend the name, Vagisil
Brosephus™
February 11th, 2013
9:27 pm
dB
I burned through the pages that Jay linked. Didn’t know there was more.
Old timer
February 11th, 2013
9:30 pm
Just Damn
moonbat betty
February 11th, 2013
9:32 pm
I don’t know…
Itchy finger just makes me want to hit it with a hammer.
Brosephus™
February 11th, 2013
9:44 pm
betty
Just tune that crap out. It’s much easier and won’t lead to possible assault charges.
moonbat betty
February 11th, 2013
9:44 pm
Kam, you are a slob.
appleseed
February 11th, 2013
9:46 pm
Lamisil unless he has been soaking that finger in cider.
Losers Like You
February 11th, 2013
9:46 pm
Idgits you are; idgits you’ll be; today, tomorrow, and forever you’ll be.
stands for decibels
February 11th, 2013
9:47 pm
Bros, I may have mislead–the “26 pages” I referred to were a printout I had (I don’t generally do that, but I knew I’d be spending a bit of time in a place without ‘net access). The 7 online pages you read were the entire article.
moonbat betty
February 11th, 2013
9:47 pm
Bro,
Congrats on your beautiful baby thats coming!
You are a blessed man.
roswelldickie
February 11th, 2013
9:49 pm
a few comment for jay and others;
1. its a tough call to put folks in harms way. but, this is an all volunteer force and the SEALs are volunteer elite among the volunteers.
2. too many folks on this board have zippo direct military experience. if you did, or if you spent time with spec ops folks you would know that these men operate on a different plane relative to patriotism. their sense of duty, honor and country is unassailable. its just that simple.
3. our government has for years done a miserable job of getting folks like this acclimated back to civilian life. funding these programs and the VA is the last we should be doing but for some reason we dont.
May God bless them all and forever. and if this guy needs a job tell him to come see me.
Brosephus™
February 11th, 2013
9:55 pm
dB
Ok. I read it completely before I posted my first comment. After contact with people from that community (I don’t ask specific job info), I found the article quite interesting to say the least. I’ve learned what questions to avoid when talking to them.
—————–
betty
Thanks. I feel better than the wealthiest man in the world.
Z
February 11th, 2013
10:35 pm
Isn’t this the guy that wrote a book on killing Osama Ben Laden. Maybe he thought he would make plenty of money off the book he wrote and could afford to retire. He took a chance by coming out with his real name.
moonbat betty
February 11th, 2013
11:21 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLQl3WQQoQ0
nite all
Zoro
February 11th, 2013
11:24 pm
This guy gets out the service and writes a book he knows he was not authorized to do. He put himself and his team in jeopardy. That was a top secret mission. He could have been tried and punished for braking his secrecy. Now he is crying Mama, and wants a silver spoon in his mouth account ‘he thinks’, he single handily took out a piece of crap. He was only a PART of the team. Nothing more. He was boy in mens clothing and needs to grow up.
Jm
February 11th, 2013
11:50 pm
Blog blog bloggy
Morality?
February 12th, 2013
12:36 am
Hollywood makes up HISTORY all the time. Obama being part of the dreaded 1% should privately and quietly contribute to this families future as he has benefited politically and financially from The Seal’s actions.
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1:09 am
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Z
February 12th, 2013
1:35 am
oooops correction from above..wrong guy. Another guy who was there wrote a book about that night.
Oscar
February 12th, 2013
1:54 am
Some of the facts in the book don’t match the facts stated in the Esquire story. Fog of war, I suppose.
fred ™
February 12th, 2013
5:43 am
USinUK: Are you lurking? If so, check out what’s for breakfast:
http://www.poorgirleatswell.com/2010/08/recipe-fresh-blueberry-crepes-birthday.html
Hey Libs, how is your paychecks looking now
February 12th, 2013
6:36 am
This is SO funny!
Obama in his address tonight will discuss ideas that he repackaged from his first term! How stupid! He wants to increase more taxes while 15 million plus are out if work! How is that working, Mr Job creator? He has to travel to Asheville, NC to find a company that has added manufacturing jobs! I know of three of my buddies that have companies employing 53 people each. Guess what, they are laying 4 each to get under 50 so not to be forced in carrying government driven insurance! Does Washington have a clue? Repubs and Dems aka Progressives both take the responsibility of incompetence!
Fred ™
February 12th, 2013
7:00 am
Hey libs is a moron and his buddies are traitors bent on killing America. They want to get richer while screwing their employees, it’s the Republican way.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
February 12th, 2013
7:04 am
Fred,
I might have said it a little gentler, but I applaud the sentiment…
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
February 12th, 2013
7:05 am
…and BTW, Happy Tuesday to all y’all!
TaxPayer
February 12th, 2013
7:16 am
The face of the GOP.
Seems apropos to me. I mean, he’s definitely got the look of stupid mastered now all we need is to hear him confirm it. Again.
stands for decibels
February 12th, 2013
7:19 am
mornin’.
He could have been tried and punished for braking his secrecy. Now he is crying Mama
[...]
oooops correction from above..wrong guy. Another guy who was there wrote a book about that night.
Stuff like that give me some hope for humanity. It’s nice to see someone enlightening himself and–above and beyond that–acknowledge an error.
[polite golf clap]
Also:
Some of the facts in the book don’t match the facts stated in the Esquire story. Fog of war, I suppose.
Or, someone’s making stuff up. Or, someone allowed a ghostwriter to make stuff up and signed off on it, which is essentially the same thing.
Or, maybe “fog of war” really does describe it–when something as complex and fast-paced as the OBL mission is executed, the participants are describing honest, sincere recollections–which happen to contradict one another.
Granny Godzilla
February 12th, 2013
7:28 am
Taxpayer
Wrong end altogether.
stands for decibels
February 12th, 2013
7:30 am
The face of the GOP.
TP, I’m genuinely of two minds, straddling that proverbial fence, about how to handle this.
One one hand it is totally understand that anyone even mildly left of center is crowing about this self-identifying flaming a-hole being the invited guest of a Congressman. Why not, right? We can take lots of cheap shots at the mindset that allows such a thing to happen; we can (as Rachel Maddow did last night) re-play video of Ted Nugent saying revolting things about BHO that are about 1000x more offensive than anything the Dixie Chicks ever said about GWB.
On the other hand, this flaming hole-o’-ass is undoubtedly enriching himself in a manner he’s not seen since people actually purchased his recordings.and listened to his music in large quantities. He’s probably got gigs lined up into 2014 thanks to all the publicity. So, maybe we’re part of the problem, at this point, and it’d help to remind ourselves that the opposite of love is not hate, but indifference…
Rowy REptile
February 12th, 2013
7:30 am
What do you expect from a muslim-loving socialist?? Obama was told by Panetta that CIA had tracked bin laden to that house…they had 100% positive I.D. on him there…..as part of the standing SOP for that OP (which was put ino place in 8 months after 911)…Special OPS teams went into alert mode and stood-by to deploy for assault…..obama could not decline the operation knowing full well at the time his polls and re-election were at stake—it could not “get out” that he had bin laden “in the bag” and let him go—Clinton paid that PR price for a similar mistake…..obama had to give the “GO” order….it was an emergecy convened “situation room” that you saw photos of staff “dumbfounded” by watching the SEAL Team “operate.” Obama lost a lot of “clout” and respect with his muslim brothers over that raid….ad now he throws the SEALS to the wind in retribution….what a pathetic piece of WORK that useless suit is for a military leader—utter disgrace…… Sorry SEALS, you served AMERICA well, but “cesar-in-the-white-house” disapproves….What’s new??
stands for decibels
February 12th, 2013
7:31 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Bronstein
The author of the amazing Esquire piece has led a rather storied life, himself, by the way.
stands for decibels
February 12th, 2013
7:34 am
what a pathetic piece of WORK that useless suit is for a military leader—utter disgrace…… Sorry SEALS, you served AMERICA well, but “cesar-in-the-white-house” disapproves
I really kind of pity your sort, so blinded by hatred at this point that you can’t see straight, and the sobering thing is, you haven’t yet hit bottom.
You might want to try doing something that actually helps America, rather than just bitching about losing another election, all these weeks/months later.
(which is, if you are honest, really what you’re doing here. I don’t think for a moment that you really think Obama is any more of a “cesar-in-the-white-house” than the last guy we had there.)
Paul
February 12th, 2013
7:42 am
Morning, all –
Rowy REptile
“What do you expect from a muslim-loving socialist?? Obama was told by Panetta that CIA had tracked bin laden to that house…they had 100% positive I.D. on him there….”
The proper order on this blog is: drink heavily, finish hangover, post.
NOT drink heavily, post, drink heavily, post, drink heavily, post.
Fred ™
February 12th, 2013
7:54 am
Rowy REptile
February 12th, 2013
7:30 am
What do you expect from a muslim-loving socialist?? Obama was told by Panetta that CIA had tracked bin laden to that house…they had 100% positive I.D. on him there…..as part of the standing SOP for that OP (which was put ino place in 8 months after 911)…Special OPS teams went into alert mode and stood-by to deploy for assault…..obama could not decline the operation knowing full well at the time his polls and re-election were at stake—it could not “get out” that he had bin laden “in the bag” and let him go—Clinton paid that PR price for a similar mistake…..obama had to give the “GO” order….it was an emergecy convened “situation room” that you saw photos of staff “dumbfounded” by watching the SEAL Team “operate.” Obama lost a lot of “clout” and respect with his muslim brothers over that raid….ad now he throws the SEALS to the wind in retribution….what a pathetic piece of WORK that useless suit is for a military leader—utter disgrace…… Sorry SEALS, you served AMERICA well, but “cesar-in-the-white-house” disapproves….What’s new??
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wow. The stupid. It burns. You know not even that idiot Bill Maher could make up a “character” this stupid. If he were to say some FOXBOT nutcase said this no one would believe him.
You just can’t beat real life folks…………….
stands for decibels
February 12th, 2013
7:55 am
Off topic, but really good NYT piece on how much of a pain in the ass North Korea is to China right now, and what the new General Secretary might choose to do to relieve the irritation.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/13/world/asia/north-korea-nuclear-test-poses-challenge-to-chinas-xi-jinping.html?_r=0
Thomas
February 12th, 2013
7:57 am
Relevant, interesting, inspiring, on and on. The vast majority of us are incredibly bored and seek 1% of the relevance.
stands for decibels
February 12th, 2013
7:57 am
Fred, Paul, I don’t want to pile on, but for me, the craziest group of words (I hesitate to call it a “sentence”) was this:
Clinton paid that PR price for a similar mistake
It’s just stunning in its willful ignorance of actual political history, as opposed to that alternative version he’s been provided by his right wing echo chamber.
Fred ™
February 12th, 2013
8:00 am
dB; And yet they will toss out phrases like “you don’t want to debate” after tossing out a turd bomb like that. What’s to debate? There isn’t a factual shred in anything these yahoos post.
Are we supposed to be “debating” the gremlins in their closets or the voices in their heads?
Doggone/GA
February 12th, 2013
8:03 am
“What’s to debate”
You just have to understand what they mean. “Debate” is like “compromise”…you agree with them and that’s “debate”. If you don’t agree, that’s either intolerance or anger.
stands for decibels
February 12th, 2013
8:07 am
DGA, Fred–Actually, I take issue with the whole notion that exchanging online posts in a forum like this constitutes a “debate” beyond the very, very most–dare I say it?–liberal interpretation of the word.
You won’t hear me using that word, ever, in this context, and hence you’ll never hear me crying about someone refusing to “debate” me online.
stands for decibels
February 12th, 2013
8:08 am
Well, we gots Nork SHEETZ.
Fred ™
February 12th, 2013
8:09 am
Later. If someone would be so kind, could you direct Kamchek to the following article when he comes on? I’m sure a new thread will come first so he wont come here.
http://www.ajc.com/ap/ap/crime/soccer-faces-epic-fight-against-match-fixing/nWMP6/
Jay
February 12th, 2013
8:09 am
“The author of the amazing Esquire piece has led a rather storied life, himself, by the way.”
True enough, and even in the Esquire piece somehow managed to make it all about him at times.
Sheets.
Itchy Finger
February 12th, 2013
9:00 am
It’s amazing just how stupid the left is and reading through these posts prove it…..
Joel Edge
February 12th, 2013
9:06 am
http://goo.gl/EzL8o