For the man who killed bin Laden, what’s next?

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Esquire magazine has a fascinating, lengthy interview with the unnamed member of Seal Team 6 credited with killing Osama bin Laden. “The Shooter,” as he’s called in the piece, recently left the service after 16 years, four short of the 20 years needed for a pension and health care.

Like many who leave the military, he doesn’t know what to do next in his life.

He does know he doesn’t want anything more to do with guns or killing people, so that line of work is out. His marriage is ending, although he and wife are separating on good terms. And lurking in the background is fear that they or their children may become targets for retribution.

As his wife puts it:

“He gave so much to his country, and now it seems he’s left in the dust. I feel there’s no support, not just for my family but for other families in the community. I honestly have nobody I can go to or talk to. Nor do I feel my husband has gotten much for what he’s accomplished in his career.”

Exactly what, if any, responsibility should the government have to her family?

The loss of income and insurance and no pension aside, she can no longer walk onto the local base if she feels a threat to her family. They’ve surrendered their military IDs. If something were to happen, the Shooter has instructed her to take the kids to the base gate anyway and demand to see the commanding officer, or someone from the SEAL team. “He said someone will come get us.”

Because of the mission, she says that “my family is always going to be at risk. It’s just a matter of finding coping strategies.”

The whole piece is definitely worth a read, particularly if you’ve seen the movie version, “Zero Dark Thirty,” which is absolutely absorbing. But here are a few excerpts to whet your appetite:

“We all wrote letters (before the bin Laden operation). I had my … little room and I’m sitting on my Pelican case with all my gear, a manila envelope on my bed, and I’m writing letters to my kids. They were to be delivered in case of my death, something for them to read when they’re 35. I have no idea what I said except I’m explaining everything, that it was a noble mission and I hope we got him. I’m saying I wish I could be there for them.

“And the tears are hitting the page, because we all knew that none of us were coming back alive. It was either death or a Pakistani prison, where we’d be raped for the rest of our lives.”

He gave the letters to an intel guy not on the mission, with instructions. He would shred them if he made it back.

“You write it, it’s horrible, you hand it off, and it’s like, Okay, that part’s over. And I’m back, ready to roll.”

Then they’re gathered by a fire pit (in Afghanistan), suiting up. Just before he got on the chopper to leave for Abbottabad, the Shooter called his dad. “I didn’t know where he was, but I found out later he was in a Walmart parking lot. I said, ‘Hey, it’s time to go to work,’ and I’m thinking, I’m calling for the last time. I thought there was a good chance of dying.

He knew something significant was up, though he didn’t know what.” The Shooter could hear him start to tear up. “He told me later that he sat in his pickup in that parking lot for an hour and couldn’t get out of the car.”

On preparations should things go awry:

“The group discussed what would happen if they were surrounded by Pakistani troops. We would surrender. The original plan was to have Vice-President Biden fly to Islamabad and negotiate our release with Pakistan’s president.

This is hearsay, but I understand Obama said, Hell no. My guys are not surrendering. What do we need to rain hell on the Pakistani military? That was the one time in my life I was thinking, I am f…ing voting for this guy. I had a picture of him lying in bed at night, thinking, ‘You’re not f…ing with my guys.’ Like, he’s thinking about us.”

On approaching the bin Ladin compound:

“I remember banking to the south, which meant we were getting ready to hit. We had about another fifteen minutes. Instead of counting, for some reason I said to myself the George Bush 9/11 quote: Freedom itself was attacked this morning by a faceless coward, and freedom will be defended. I could just hear his voice, and that was neat. I started saying it again and again to myself. Then I started to get pumped up. I’m like: This is so on.”

On the end of the long hunt, as they moved through the compound toward the target:

“We had to move, because bin Laden is now going to be grabbing some weapon because he’s getting shot at. I had my hand on the point man’s shoulder and squeezed, a signal to go. The two of us went up. On the third floor, he tackled the two women in the hallway right outside the first door on the right, moving them past it just enough. He thought he was going to absorb the blast of suicide vests; he was going to kill himself so I could get the shot. It was the most heroic thing I’ve ever seen.

I rolled past him into the room, just inside the doorway.

There was bin Laden standing there. He had his hands on a woman’s shoulders, pushing her ahead, not exactly toward me but by me, in the direction of the hallway commotion. It was his youngest wife, Amal.

He looked confused. And way taller than I was expecting. He had a cap on and didn’t appear to be hit. I can’t tell you 100 percent, but he was standing and moving. He was holding her in front of him. Maybe as a shield, I don’t know.

For me, it was a snapshot of a target ID, definitely him. Even in our kill houses where we train, there are targets with his face on them. This was repetition and muscle memory. That’s him, boom, done….

And I remember as I watched him breathe out the last part of air, I thought: Is this the best thing I’ve ever done, or the worst thing I’ve ever done?”

At the end of “Zero Dark Thirty,” the camera focuses on the CIA analyst whose dedication and even obsession with tracking bin Laden finally ended up putting him in a body bag. Her mission complete, she has no idea what comes next or where to turn. The Shooter clearly shares both her sense of great accomplishment and her sense of emptiness.

– Jay Bookman

579 comments Add your comment

Common Sense isn't very Common

February 11th, 2013
1:36 pm

Jay

All I can say is DAMN

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 11th, 2013
1:45 pm

On preparations should things go awry:

“The group discussed what would happen if they were surrounded by Pakistani troops. We would surrender. The original plan was to have Vice-President Biden fly to Islamabad and negotiate our release with Pakistan’s president.

This is hearsay, but I understand Obama said, Hell no. My guys are not surrendering. What do we need to rain hell on the Pakistani military? That was the one time in my life I was thinking, I am f…ing voting for this guy. I had a picture of him lying in bed at night, thinking, ‘You’re not f…ing with my guys.’ Like, he’s thinking about us.”

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 11th, 2013
1:46 pm

Okay the comment that got omitted: This is likely much closer to reality than the idiot Benghazi absurdity from the ODS conned

Hoof Hearted

February 11th, 2013
1:46 pm

getalife

February 11th, 2013
1:49 pm

We should honor him with the medal of honor like our President is doing now with Staff SGT Clint Romesha.

Jay

February 11th, 2013
1:51 pm

Getalife, as the man himself says in the interview, he didn’t do anything more than other Team Six members. He was just the one in the right place at the right time.

And giving him a medal — even THAT medal — would not change his situation.

F. Sinkwich

February 11th, 2013
1:53 pm

This indeed confusing.

The loonies here said O’bozo killed OBL…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 11th, 2013
1:55 pm

The world is definitely a better place without Bin Laden, but I wish he had been eliminated much earlier.

Kitty

February 11th, 2013
1:56 pm

Wow, bless him and his family. Wonder why he didn’t stick it out until retirement. I am sure he could have gotten a different MOS. Perhaps some sort of training gig. I am sure he has a lot to teach younger soldiers.

barking frog

February 11th, 2013
1:57 pm

Good job. Now he should take care of his family.

Granny Godzilla

February 11th, 2013
1:59 pm

May god bless that young man and his family and keep them all safe.

Mick

February 11th, 2013
1:59 pm

This man should be recruited into the secret service and given a job where his skills might be needed.

Native Atlantan

February 11th, 2013
2:00 pm

Only Crapwich could take a unifying moment and turn it partisan…..

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 11th, 2013
2:00 pm

The loonies here said O’bozo killed OBL…

Loonies said Reagan tore down the Berlin Wall.

Loonies said Bush captured Saddam Hussein.

Road Scholar

February 11th, 2013
2:00 pm

Sinkwich: Get over it. It is too much for you to understand!

fedup

February 11th, 2013
2:00 pm

Some facts. It was riveting. Can somebody do something for the shooter and his family.
Now cons and NRA bums take a lesson from the shooter. He has nothing to do with guns.

getalife

February 11th, 2013
2:01 pm

Jay,

“He gave so much to his country, and now it seems he’s left in the dust. I feel there’s no support, not just for my family but for other families in the community. I honestly have nobody I can go to or talk to. Nor do I feel my husband has gotten much for what he’s accomplished in his career.”

I think honoring him on national television will get him hired immediately but he is concerned for the safety of his family.

Why did he leave the military and what do you suggest to help him and his family?

Erwin's cat

February 11th, 2013
2:02 pm

This was repetition and muscle memory. That’s him, boom, done….

hmm….how do you get to carnegie hall?

Road Scholar

February 11th, 2013
2:03 pm

Granny and Mick: Right on! I hope he will be able to deal with his life in the future.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 11th, 2013
2:04 pm

hmm….how do you get to carnegie hall?

You shoulda turned left at Albuquerque.

Aquagirl

February 11th, 2013
2:05 pm

This man should be recruited into the secret service and given a job where his skills might be needed.

I think you’re missing the point–he doesn’t want to use those skills any more.

OBIWAN

February 11th, 2013
2:07 pm

Obozo will have a job summit for him…. oh wait the job czars have been disbanded….

комиссар (Occupation)

February 11th, 2013
2:07 pm

“This man should be recruited into the secret service and given a job where his skills might be needed.”

There’s a big opening there currently, I hear.

Just Saying..

February 11th, 2013
2:10 pm

And F. Sinkwich puts another yellow ribbon on his car.
Cause that’s as far as he goes…

Peadawg

February 11th, 2013
2:11 pm

weetamoe

February 11th, 2013
2:13 pm

*This is hearsay* is an interesting way to include a comment that can not be sourced. From his interview with the Esquire writer, which is not *hearsay,* he instructed his wife that when vengeance showed its ugly face she was to put the kids in the bathtub in a recessed area and showed her how to brace her rifle against the bedroom wall so she could shoot through the door. He was offered a witness protection program new life driving a truck in a new town where he would never again be able to contact relatives or former friends. And he never got to do a victory strut in front of the whole USA and Charlie Sheen never said *call me.*

indigo

February 11th, 2013
2:15 pm

He should have re-upped for another four years. There are many military postions that have no real civilian counterpart and Navy Seal is certainly one of them.

We’ve seen so many of our combat troops come home from Iraq and Afganistan, get out of the Military, and then struggle to find employment.

Our Country should do more for those getting out of uniform. But, that would cost money and politicians, especially Republican, have made it clear that the old, retired and sick aren’t exactly a priority. Add to that retired Military and you get a truly sorry picture of politics in America.

rightwingextreme

February 11th, 2013
2:15 pm

fedup

February 11th, 2013
2:00 pm
Some facts. It was riveting. Can somebody do something for the shooter and his family.
Now cons and NRA bums take a lesson from the shooter. He has nothing to do with guns.

And that’s HIS choice….not some idiot government official.

Look before I leap...

February 11th, 2013
2:15 pm

I think congress should pass a special act for all the members of Seal Team Six granting them full retirement benefits for whatever time they actually served.

They went in and erased the most wanted man in the world from the face of the earth and sent his sorry, bony @ss to hell. That should count for something.

getalife

February 11th, 2013
2:16 pm

Oops.

“He does know he doesn’t want anything more to do with guns or killing people, so that line of work is out.”

Missed that. Sorry.

The current medal of honor winner is working in the oil fields of North Dakota.

комиссар (Occupation)

February 11th, 2013
2:17 pm

“We had about another fifteen minutes. Instead of counting, for some reason I said to myself the George Bush 9/11 quote: Freedom itself was attacked this morning by a faceless coward, and freedom will be defended. I could just hear his voice, and that was neat”

Don’t mean to sound insensitive, but maybe now he can do what he did before closing in for the kill and think of George W. Bush’s words about us having a health care system, namely primary care emergency rooms. Maybe now, faced with the challenges of life in the country he did hit jobs for, capital’s own backyard, where big moneyed interests allied with for-profit private health insurance companies have always seen to it that true universal health coverage never get off the ground, he can take pride in his service and take comfort in the former president’s words. That shouldn’t be too hard, should it? After all, I’m sure Bush wouldn’t have just said it for reasons of cynical political calculation and evasion, would he?

In the middle

February 11th, 2013
2:20 pm

What this team of seals accomplished is nothing less than spectacular. The double edged sword this man faces is knowing what he knows and not being able to do anything with it. No doubt if any of the sailors on this team were to be revealed to the public their fortunes would be made, at the same time they and all of their family would be instantly targeted for execution. Some our military give more than they will ever receive.

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 11th, 2013
2:20 pm

For the man who killed bin Laden, what’s next?
.
Statiscally speaking …….There is a good chance that this guy will …………..A)……..be murdered by the State via cops
B) kidnapped by the State and put into a mental institution
C) commit sucicide
or the worst
D) become a cop.
.
Welcome to Amerika.
Live by the sword……die by the sword.

Drudge

February 11th, 2013
2:21 pm

I’m a vet myself and it isn’t easy just going back to the office… I hope he stays tight with his teammates, there isn’t anyone who understands like the guy who was next to you, as hard as they try. SEALs are a different breed, so the local VFW is not going to have many resources. Good luck buddy, if I may offer a suggestion, go easy on the booze. It just makes it worse.

rightwingextreme

February 11th, 2013
2:21 pm

Look before I leap…

February 11th, 2013
2:15 pm
I think congress should pass a special act for all the members of Seal Team Six granting them full retirement benefits for whatever time they actually served.

They went in and erased the most wanted man in the world from the face of the earth and sent his sorry, bony @ss to hell. That should count for something.

Before I ask this question I want all to understand I have nothing but the highest regard for all of our military and think they should always have the best.

What if they never deployed on a mission? Full benefits? What about those Marines and Soldiers serving on the ground in Afghanistan who only serve one tour? Full benefits?

In the middle

February 11th, 2013
2:23 pm

To rightwingextreme, you got it. It was his choice, not yours, not mine, not the governments, but his. As it should be.

Native Atlantan

February 11th, 2013
2:23 pm

And….apparently, weeawhatever doesn’t understand what the ” thingies mean…..

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 11th, 2013
2:24 pm

This whole argument is ridiculous. Here are my reasons for saying this:

1) The “shooter’s” life and/or his families life would’ve NEVER been in any type of jeparody if he’d, and heres the tricky part, kept his damn mouth shut. Why was he in any type of Intel if he didn’t/couldn’t/wouldn’t keep secrets?

2) He, along with MILLIONS of other soldiers, who’ve sacrificed a lot more for their countries; do not get (as explained to them when they enlist); any type of compensation, unless otherwise noted, if they leave the military BEFORE their “pensions” kick in.

Hash but true. It happens all over the world, for instance — You work for Merck Laboratories as a biologists or whatever, and discovers a new drug that SAVES billions of lives. you don’t get SQUAT. You MAY get a bonus, but other than that, you don’t get one DIME. who gets all the money AND the patent from all your hard work and toil? THE COMPANY you work for.

3) Lets stop blaming someone else. You make a decision– good, bad, or indifferent; and you have to LIVE with it. Period. You may, if you’re lucky get a chance to change your course in life if you feel you’re going the wrong way; however, don’t blame the road for drive you’ve decided to take.

No one FORCES anyone to become a Navy Seal. No one. He CHOSE to become a Seal; exactly what did he think he was supposed to do as a Seal? Teach Kindergarten?

I’ve been hearing this, “poor, pitiful man, oh boo hooo, Obama/the government should do something for him”; stories all day. I’m sick of them.

the most he can get out of the government now, since he left before he could’ve gotten full pension, is free psychiatric help.

He’s not alone; and he’s not the only one. let’s stop PRETENDING that he is.

randy

February 11th, 2013
2:25 pm

I still think there needs to be an investigation into why we let bin Laden go at Tora Bora. Bush / Cheney / Rumsfeld all gave a blatantly false excuse of “we weren’t sure he was there”. But every book published by every guy who was actually there, from the Deltas to the CIA, say not only were they sure he was there, but that they plainly notified their chain of command. And that “orders from the very highest level of command” told them to provide a cease fire. This order allowed bin Laden to escape, and everyone knew it.

USA Patriot

February 11th, 2013
2:25 pm

Someone in congress could present a special bill for this team (and / or others with similar “high profile” targets) to provide financial relief for he & his family.

Congress made the famillies of 9/11 millionaires a couple of times over.

Just sayin’

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 11th, 2013
2:25 pm

Statiscally speaking …….There is a good chance that this guy will …………..A)……..be murdered by the State via cops
B) kidnapped by the State and put into a mental institution
C) commit sucicide
or the worst
D) become a cop.

The words “statistically speaking” do not equate to “stupidly speaking”. May I suggest you consider investing more time reading a dictionary and less time telling us about drone attacks on WI weddings.

barking frog

February 11th, 2013
2:26 pm

‘For the man who killed bin Laden, what’s next ?”
…………………………………………………………………
retirement with pension, healthcare, an office with staff and Secret Service
protection for him and his family for as long as he wants.

stands for decibels

February 11th, 2013
2:26 pm

Anyone planning to read the whole thing (all 15,000 words) before commenting?

комиссар (Occupation)

February 11th, 2013
2:27 pm

DebbiDoRight: “Hash but true. It happens all over the world, for instance — You work for Merck Laboratories as a biologists or whatever, and discovers a new drug that SAVES billions of lives. you don’t get SQUAT. You MAY get a bonus, but other than that, you don’t get one DIME. who gets all the money AND the patent from all your hard work and toil? THE COMPANY you work for”

I think DebbieDoRight has the capitalist system of exploitation down pretty pat.

Mick

February 11th, 2013
2:28 pm

randy

Benghazi!

getalife

February 11th, 2013
2:29 pm

Perhaps a retiring wealthy Senator that can afford their own insurance can pass his or hers benefits to this man.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 11th, 2013
2:29 pm

He should have re-upped for another four years. There are many military postions that have no real civilian counterpart and Navy Seal is certainly one of them.

Thank YOU. If he would’ve he would’ve gotten his FULL BENEFITS. If he didn’t want to be a SEAL anymore, he could’ve asked (and he’d probably would’ve received) an MOS change.

DownInAlbany

February 11th, 2013
2:32 pm

“No one who fights for this country overseas should ever have to fight for a job,” Barack Obama said last Veterans’ Day, “or a roof over their head, or the care that they have earned when they come home.”

But the Shooter will discover soon enough that when he leaves after sixteen years in the Navy, his body filled with scar tissue, arthritis, tendonitis, eye damage, and blown disks, here is what he gets from his employer and a grateful nation:

Nothing. No pension, no health care, and no protection for himself or his family.

Read more: Man Who Killed Osama Bin Laden – Treatment of Veteran Who Shot bin Laden – Esquire http://www.esquire.com/features/man-who-shot-osama-bin-laden-0313#ixzz2KcXN3t4R

Sad commentary…

Dunwoody Granny

February 11th, 2013
2:34 pm

There was a $25 million bounty on bin Laden. I really think the US should take that $25M and divide it among the soldiers on the mission, the helo pilots, and the couple of intel agents most respnsible. Bankers get HUGE bonuses for screwing us all. I think what these people did actually deserves a bonus.

the dog

February 11th, 2013
2:34 pm

Totally agree with DDR. Boo hoo, NOT.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 11th, 2013
2:34 pm

Someone in congress could present a special bill for this team (and / or others with similar “high profile” targets) to provide financial relief for he & his family.

Why stop there?

Let’s do the same for the following soldiers:

The ones who piloted/flew in the Nola Gay

The Red Wings

The buffalo soldiers

Paul Reveere

etc. etc. etc.

Let’s parcel out dollars for bravery and service.

Let’s call it, “Mercenaries” instead of Soldiers.

the dog

February 11th, 2013
2:35 pm

How can you all be convinced this fellow isn’t jerking all your chains? How do you know he doesn’t have the $25M and living the good life. He could have just disappeared……………..

jhunt163

February 11th, 2013
2:36 pm

Wow, I can’t believe that I am in honest agreement with DDR. I guess NEMO must have worked its way down to hell.

Jay

February 11th, 2013
2:36 pm

I agree: The piece should have done a better job of explaining why The Shooter declined to re-up for another four years. And harsh as it sounds, Debbie does have a point.

Recon 0311 2533

February 11th, 2013
2:37 pm

Hopefully, we won’t lose too many more men from the military like the SEAL TEAM Six “shooter” and SGT. Ramasha.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 11th, 2013
2:39 pm

There was a $25 million bounty on bin Laden. I really think the US should take that $25M and divide it among the soldiers on the mission, the helo pilots, and the couple of intel agents most respnsible.

It doesn’t work like that. It never has and it NEVER will.

If an FBI agent, discovers a child that was kidnapped , saves the child, and reunites the child with his/her parents, that FBI Agent doesn’t get ONE DIME of any reward money.

Fireman saves a guy from a burning building? He gets THANKS and that’s all.

This guy is no different from the MILLIONS of servicemembers around the world.

Why should he be treated differently for doing his job?

Oscar

February 11th, 2013
2:39 pm

I am surprised tht no pension and other benifits are vested until 20 yeares in the military. Should be vested at five years. Serving 16 years and leaving without any pension is really a disgrace.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 11th, 2013
2:41 pm

This is nothing new. The Shooter is not the only man or woman to leave the Service short of a career feeling betrayed, unwanted and left out. We have all read where the military suicide rate for 2012 was the highest ever. Those of you who never had been in combat can’t begin to understand the strain and trauma it takes on ones psyche. Sure, most of have “Support Our Troops magnetic ribbons on our cars and we talk of how heroic they are, but I’ll lay my bottom dollar most of us do nothing in the way of financial support. Have any of you seen a military family in a restaurant and bought them their meal?

Our country have been using our soldiers up physically and mentally from Johnson until now, but we refuse to do what it takes to help them out except to say “welcome home”. We are pathetic.

Look before I leap...

February 11th, 2013
2:41 pm

Nice attitude Debbie Do Wrong…
Eff ‘em and forget ‘em.
What a miserable, wretched outlook you have for those protect your right to sit on your fat @ss all day and type out stupidity hour in and hour out.

SEALS and Special Forces go through the most difficult training the military has to offer. They lead an uncommon life during service with rapid calls to some of the nastiest places on the globe, significantly more away time from their families, not able to tell them where they are or what they are doing or even when they are coming home (if ever).

Not to take anything away from the hundreds of thousands of other service members who bravely defend our country, but there is a HUGE difference between what a motor pool private endures vs. what a SEAL/Special Forces solider does.

Mick

February 11th, 2013
2:42 pm

In the end, it looks like a poor choice that was made by this man. Four more years to serve and get a pension as opposed to nothing? Whose fault is that? Yes, we all must take responsibility for our decisions, who else is there to blame???

Oscar

February 11th, 2013
2:42 pm

The Shooter should be given protecton because of the extreme danger his accts have left him in. This is no ordinary service and no ordinary amount of danger. We owe him.

Peadawg

February 11th, 2013
2:43 pm

“I agree: The piece should have done a better job of explaining why The Shooter declined to re-up for another four years. And harsh as it sounds, Debbie does have a point.”

Yup

Erwin's cat

February 11th, 2013
2:44 pm

Occupation – You work for Merck Laboratories as a biologists or whatever, and discovers a new drug that SAVES billions of lives, you don’t get SQUAT. You MAY get a bonus, but other than that, you don’t get one DIME. who gets all the money AND the patent from all your hard work and toil? THE COMPANY you work for”

so what?…Merk provide billions in facilities and support in order for you to make that discovery, You couldn’t have done it w/o them. In those facilities it is entirely likely that someone else could’ve done the same work, They put “you” on the patent and you are hailed a hero in professional circles all the while paying you well…you retire and make a modest living as a consultant….what’s the problem?

Oscar

February 11th, 2013
2:44 pm

Mick = That is speculation. We don’t know that it was his choice. There are many others possible reasons for his leavings.
Health problems are one possibility beyond his control.

комиссар (Occupation)

February 11th, 2013
2:44 pm

By the way, Jay, it would be interesting to hear your thoughts on the pro-torture propaganda film “Zero Dark Thirty”. What did you find so “absorbing” about it?

Oscar

February 11th, 2013
2:47 pm

At Merck, employee penions probably vest after five years.

USA Patriot

February 11th, 2013
2:47 pm

Look 2:41

Ditto!

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 11th, 2013
2:47 pm

EC: so what?…Merk provide billions in facilities and support in order for you to make that discovery, You couldn’t have done it w/o them.

Who cares? Have you ever heard of these words:

EXAMPLE

FOR INSTANCE

COMPARISON

PROTOTYPE

SAMPLE

ILLUSTRATION?

Grow up Cat.

комиссар (Occupation)

February 11th, 2013
2:48 pm

Let me guess, Jay. You thought “Zero Dark Thirty” was a brave, honest look at the things that, though we may not care to think about them, are nonetheless things that as good Americans liberals have to steel ourselves to and be ready to carry out in the name of protecting our fatherland nation. Is that about right?

Jay

February 11th, 2013
2:48 pm

Have you seen the film, Occupation?

JF McNamara

February 11th, 2013
2:49 pm

They couldn’t find this man a desk job in Hawaii?

Regnad Kcin

February 11th, 2013
2:50 pm

“This indeed confusing.”

I’m sorry, but not surprised, that you’re confusrd. Mr. Sinkwich.

Candor

February 11th, 2013
2:50 pm

Judging by the above posts, I must be the only member of the military to post. We may have been much further along if the team had adhered to LOAC. SEAL team 6 does no more than other members of the military; they do there job. They go where they’re told, they do what they’re told to do.I’ve met several SEALs in the field,’ most were very professional.
They know what they signed up for. For all you civilians; the military isnt “Zero Dark Thirty”, “Blackhawk Down” or “Apocalyps Now”. Those movies are loosly based on reality. They’re for the entertainment of the nieve. Most GI’s avoid them because they know what happened and how it came down; the good, the bad and the ugly.

Oscar

February 11th, 2013
2:51 pm

I have not seen Zero yet, but a movie can be good ntertainmement and absorbing, and thought provoking without being factually accurate. In fact very few, if any films that deal with history or anywhere near accurate.

Erwin's cat

February 11th, 2013
2:52 pm

DDRGrow up Cat

How about i just match your level of maturity instead?

RIckster

February 11th, 2013
2:52 pm

Reading the snippets from the story of “The Shooter” – I’m reminded of the last line from “The Bridges of Toko-Ri”

“Where do we get such men?

Heroic doesn’t even begin to come close.

Brosephus™

February 11th, 2013
2:53 pm

Jay

Thanks for the read. The entire piece is worth the read. I have no idea why he left after 16 years, but I appreciate all the sacrifices made by everyone involved including the families.

I have nothing positive or critical to say.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 11th, 2013
2:54 pm

The Shooter should be given protecton because of the extreme danger his accts have left him in. This is no ordinary service and no ordinary amount of danger. We owe him.

Why just him and not his whole team? Why? How do we even know for a FACT that he is the shooter? Because he said so?

Are we really that freaking naive?
=========

What a miserable, wretched outlook you have for those protect your right to sit on your fat @ss all day and type out stupidity hour in and hour out.

Shut up Look — you know nothing about me. You spout off and have no idea of my background, what i believe in, or WHO my family is.

I’m telling you the truth. It hurts; but that doesn’t make it any less the truth. As a member of the armed forces, as explained to EVERY SOLDIER WHO ENLISTS, you don’t get anything special. You’re treated as equal as possible with all the other soldiers.

There are soldiers who have suffered from the effects of Agent Orange — soldiers who liberated the Concentration Camps in Europe, soldiers who have done all these things of bravery and sacrifice that we’ll probably never hear of or from — that’s the way it goes.

If he wanted more than what is being offered, then he should’ve NEVER joined the military. PERIOD.

East Lake Ira

February 11th, 2013
2:54 pm

Candor – Get thee to the GI Bill.

In the middle

February 11th, 2013
2:55 pm

I am amazed. I guess we should just give him an Obamaphone and tell him to scurry on his way. What a sad group….

Dunwoody Granny

February 11th, 2013
2:55 pm

DDR —

I understand what you’re saying. He knew the rules going in; he shouldn’t whine because the rules didn’t change. But I think these guys should be treated differently because I think what they did was different. Higher value than the ordinary military mission.

As someone commented earlier, the families of those killed in the Twin Towers got much more compensation than the families of those killed in ordinary plane crashes.

Oscar

February 11th, 2013
2:56 pm

JF – He can always apply for a desk job with the feds. Lot of vets work for the feds.

Erwin's cat

February 11th, 2013
2:59 pm

DDR – how is the biologist at Merck any different than the enlisted not getting anything special for just doing their job….i really don’t see a difference in the two, but you were offended by my example to Occupations post…what am I missin?

GT

February 11th, 2013
2:59 pm

This is real; it is not a photo op. It kills Obama’s opposition who in general go after him card blanch because they can’t match fact with their desire to have us all hate the president so they generalize and manufacture a president we will hate.

In the meanwhile in real life a president without this 40% of his country behind him, 40% actually trying to destroy Obama which in turn endangers these navy seals, by these anti American distractions are actually unexcited by this good news. They immediately presume that propaganda machine as to how it was not Obama’s administration that pulled this off and as clearly shown here the shooter considers O very much part of this.

The opposition continues their separation from our nation by turning any misfortune of this country into their vested interest by the same manufacturing of a man who does not exist. Like Clinton says, “who you going to believe them or you’re lying eyes?”

getalife

February 11th, 2013
2:59 pm

Lost his job, lost his wife and no future will leave him with a mind that is not right.

I am not sure of his mental status but it is probably pretty bad.

Dang empathy gene.

It is a bizarre ending to the story of killing obl.

I am cheering for him to keep going and a happier ending.

the dog

February 11th, 2013
3:00 pm

How is what he and the others did more worthy than a firefighter rescuing a family from a burning building?

fedup

February 11th, 2013
3:03 pm

“And that’s HIS choice….not some idiot government official”. That is correct but what you don’t get that he is not like the loonies thinking some official is coming after him and has to defend himself. There is a vast difference between his thinking and yours.

Oscar

February 11th, 2013
3:03 pm

The Dog – This is different because of the revenge factor. Both against him and his family. And fo the other members of the team.

комиссар (Occupation)

February 11th, 2013
3:05 pm

I have to plead guilty, Jay, I have not seen it yet. But I have read numerous accounts of the narrative and the depiction of torture, and I’ve heard people describe their reaction to it and how they were encouraged to “overcome” their squeamishness about the fact that torturing is involved in the name of the fact that we’re protecting ourselves, deafening the nation, fighting a ruthless enemy, etc. Things which, though all true and important, should not lead us to surrender our highest moral principles.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 11th, 2013
3:07 pm

As someone commented earlier, the families of those killed in the Twin Towers got much more compensation than the families of those killed in ordinary plane crashes.

Granny you’re thinking with your heart.

The firemen/rescuers who died in the twin towers were a finite number of people. Let’s say their number was 300.

the people who risk their lives daily for the military all over the world is an infinite number. there would be no end to the number of recipients.

For instance — I saw a documentary on PBS about the air force pilot who spent 7(?) years in a Russian prison for spying during the Cold War. When he finally got out, do you think the government gave him any special bonuses?

The people in the CIA or who are on covert missions — if they’re caught, do you think they get anything special?

What about the soldiers in the field who were caught and held captive as a POW — some for years; do you think they got any special money for that?

When /If you open the door for THIS one individual to receive special treatment; where does the door close?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 11th, 2013
3:08 pm

Not to take anything away from the hundreds of thousands of other service members who bravely defend our country, but there is a HUGE difference between what a motor pool private endures vs. what a SEAL/Special Forces solider does.

He did what he signed up for.

catlady

February 11th, 2013
3:09 pm

“Our Country should do more for those getting out of uniform. But, that would cost money and politicians, especially Republican, have made it clear that the old, retired and sick aren’t exactly a priority. Add to that retired Military and you get a truly sorry picture of politics in America.” Add to that poor, women, and minorities also.

But it is the white men who feel picked on! Go figure!

Recon 0311 2533

February 11th, 2013
3:11 pm

The self serving manner for political purposes in which the White House leaked information about this operation and in particular the specific identity of the special ops team has probably taken a toll on all the members of this unit. Needlessly endangering them and their families was the worst part. Because of this self serving ineptitude each member of the team should be provided special compensation and protection when they leave active service.

indigo

February 11th, 2013
3:11 pm

In the middle – 2:55

What is this Obamaphone you speak of?

Is this one of the gifts Ronald McRomney alluded to?

How do I get one?

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 11th, 2013
3:13 pm

DDR – how is the biologist at Merck any different than the enlisted not getting anything special for just doing their job….i really don’t see a difference in the two, but you were offended by my example to Occupations post…what am I missin?

EC you jumped all over Occupation for no reason. He didn’t originally post the comment. He was responding to the comment that I posted.

indigo

February 11th, 2013
3:13 pm

Debbie – 2:24

Its known as predatory Capitalism.

In at least this category, America definitely leads the world.

GT

February 11th, 2013
3:13 pm

The right is full of hogwash. If this had been their guy they would have had a ticker tape parade in Time Square for him with a black bag wrapped around his head to hide his identity. They wave the flag at their convenience like the fighter jet landing on the air craft carrier with Bush but turn their back on our boys if they think it doesn’t help their sick causes. Anybody remember anything at all said about military during the Republican Convention last summer? One more left handed compliment to Obama.

Itchy Finger

February 11th, 2013
3:15 pm

Its sad the obama administration is leaving this man behind after everything he’s done……

Jay

February 11th, 2013
3:15 pm

Just as a reminder, this is a consequence of war — every war — and another reason to be very careful about asking our men and women in uniform to put themselves through it on our behalf.

I’ve been reading an old family journal, and it relates this story about a Civil War veteran:

“He make his way back to where he done left his horse. There was this Yankee soldier aside it but he done fell asleep up with his back against this tree. He knowed that if he woke him up he would let the others know he was there. He say if he shoot him they hear the shot so he crawl in behind that tree. He takes his knife and retch round that tree and cuts that Yankee’s throat. Say he never had him no good look at that soldier ‘fore he done it cause he had him this coat up over his head.

When that Yankee soldier falls to the ground that coat come off. He looked him in the eye as he was passing and he say that soldier was maybe little more than fifteen years old and he done killed him dead a child. He say he was mouthing him some words but nothing come out and it like to put him in his own grave seeing him do it. He talked bout it a lot with granddaddy cause it was always gnawing at him.

Many a day I was thinking how he lived with knowing he done killed him that baby. Granddaddy say that war is war and such things be a part of it but I knows he never leave that thing behind him. Miss Bark say when she knowed him he had the happiest eyes on him and I done a lot of thinking bout that cause when I looked at them sometimes I sees me some sadness in them. I reckon war change a man no matter who he be.”

Same as it ever was.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 11th, 2013
3:17 pm

Debbie,
You are wrong on this one. Nobody I knew ever knew what he was getting into when they joined the service. Hell, I even got out for four years before I went back in to complete my time. I had a lot of positive backing in my decision. But it’s like I said, military service is no bed of roses, especially if you are Special Forces. I sent a good part of my Care in Special Boat Units, working with the SEAL teams. As one poster said, they were very professional, but they were wound up tight. They knew what they had to do, were trained for, and they did it, but it took a toll on all of them. God bless them. I personally think every Military man and woman should be able to go to the head of every line, be it education, employment, or just the lunch line. They have given years of their life to PROTECT us with their LIVES. That deserves more than just lip service.