Today at the Capitol, U.S. democracy in action
Some 200 to 250 Americans assembled peacefully on the grounds of the state Capitol this morning to petition their government and rally in support of their interpretation of the Second Amendment. The vast majority were openly carrying weapons; roughly a third were carrying semi-automatic long guns of the variety known by some as assault weapons.
One speaker, former gubernatorial candidate Ray McBerry, warned the crowd that “the foreign-born Marxist in the White House and his Marxist attorney general” were using “staged crisis events — yes, I said staged crisis events” to justify confiscation of their weapons. That got a loud cheer and applause.
According to McBerry, the Obama administration is using these “staged crisis events” in exactly the same way that Adolph Hitler used the Reichstag fire, as an excuse to impose complete tyranny on the American people. The national socialist government in Washington is following the blueprint to power that the national socialist government in Germany followed, he said, reeling off a string of comparisons that would be uncanny if true.
That too drew strong applause.
“Which federal gun laws are constitutional?” McBerry asked.
“NONE!” the crowd roared back.
“You know the answer,” he said smiling.
(Just as an aside, earlier this week McBerry issued a press release announcing his endorsement of U.S. Rep. Paul Broun for U.S. Senate.)
Security at the event was heavy, watchful but not intrusive. State troopers armed with M-6 carbines, a version of the AR-15, stood nearby. The GBI’s bomb-disposal truck was parked on an adjacent street, just in case. An armed officer stood on a church roof across the street.
McBerry was followed by Bill Looman, who told the crowd that he would be self-editing his own comments about Obama, and might not be saying all the things he really thought. It seems that Looman’s past comments about the president on Facebook and other forums, as well as his ties to the North Georgia militia, made the Secret Service nervous and convinced them that it was necessary to visit Looman in person. Just to talk things over, all friendly like.
Like McBerry, Looman talked of the necessity of firearms to fend off what he believes to be impending tyranny. He also mentioned his work with Oathkeepers, an organization of former and current members of the military, law enforcement and other agencies who have sworn never to follow government orders to force Americans into concentration camps, or to go house to house to confiscate firearms, or to blockade entire American cities, as the British did to Boston.
You know, just in case such orders should ever be issued.
One enterprising young man even used the symbol of his Second Amendment rights, his firearm, to exercise his First Amendment rights as well:
He could use some work on his spelling, but it’s the thought that matters, right?
UPDATE: As commenters below have pointed out, the line “This machine kills fascists” appeared on legendary folksinger Woody Guthrie’s guitar, and Guthrie in turn reportedly borrowed it from a slogan painted on airplanes used by the anti-fascist Republicans in the Spanish Civil War.
– Jay Bookman
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Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 8th, 2013
2:31 pm
Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence
And the cons claim that this is only video related. Perhaps ODS causes reading deficiencies.
jhunt163
February 8th, 2013
2:31 pm
“semi-automatic long guns, also known as assault weapons.”
So now I guess that every Semi-automatic rifle is an assault weapon, doesn’t matter if it has a pistol grip or not….I can see the rules are already changing.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 8th, 2013
2:31 pm
K’Chak — “From downstairs about Dorothy Parker — Something about being too effing busy or vise versa.”
She said both, actually. ‘Too effing busy *and* vice-versa.’
Jay
February 8th, 2013
2:32 pm
The irony, Kam, is that 15 year ago conservatives would have gone crazy at the idea of being forced to have a national ID card, seeing it as a sign of federal intrusion. Now they have can see all kinds of reasons why such an intrusion would be useful.
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 8th, 2013
2:33 pm
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 8th, 2013
1:56 pm
List of State Sheriff’s Associations Saying No to More Gun Control:
1. Utah Sheriffs Association
2. Florida Sheriffs Association
3. Georgia Sheriffs Association
4. Colorado Sheriffs Association
5. New Mexico Sheriffs Association
6. Nebraska Sheriffs Association
7. Wyoming Sheriffs Association
8. Indiana Sheriffs Association
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Yet those same sheriffs would invite the FedBugs into their countys to possibly murder kids for growing a unauthorized weed in their backyard and…………smoking it.
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weird.
Li'l Aynie
February 8th, 2013
2:33 pm
The people who believe that they need to arm themselves against the tyranny of our Constitutional government, or believe that they need assault weapons for self-defense, suffer from a mental illness that is treatable but not curable. It’s called “schizophrenia”.
Banner123
February 8th, 2013
2:34 pm
It always amazes me that people state the Second Amendment if really for the state rights to have a militia instead of an individual right to bear arms. If you look at the list of Amendments in that way something very striking shows up as shown below;
1st: individual
2nd: State
3rd: Individual
4th: Individual
5th: Individual
6th: Individual
7th: Individual
8th: Individual
9th: State
10th: State
Can someone with the view that the 2nd amendment is for the state only explain why they put it before the 3rd through 8th amendments and not put it at the bottom with the other two amendments which are the state’s rights? From a logical standpoint, the framers of the constitution would have put all the “Individual” amendment rights first and the “States” amendment rights second as shown below.
1st: individual
2nd: individual
3rd: Individual
4th: Individual
5th: Individual
6th: Individual
7th: Individual
8th: Individual
9th: State
10th: State
Which way really makes more sense? Can someone who believes that the 2nd Amendment is still a “State” only amendment please explain this discrepancy? I don’t think you can.
mae brown
February 8th, 2013
2:34 pm
who are these people? who are their parents?where does this behavior come from?
this is so unbelievable…sooo scary……I want to leave Georgia…..I have never seen or heard such bizarre , strange comments and actions…..
Joe Hussein Mama
February 8th, 2013
2:34 pm
G. Hopper — “Why do so many people even bother with you?”
Because I’m so incredibly CUTE.
Please, elaborate on the specific ways you find existing constraints on First Amendment rights insufficient. I’m quite curious where you perceive there to be potential for abuses and unreasonable latitude with regard to those rights.
Jay
February 8th, 2013
2:35 pm
“And the cons claim that this is only video related. Perhaps ODS causes reading deficiencies.”
He included that as a sop to conservatives and the NRA, which insisted that guns don’t kill people, violent movies kill people. And as a reward for his compromise he gets conservatives complaining about it.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 8th, 2013
2:37 pm
Jay
The irony today is that they love to bring this point up about an ID, but almost to a man, when asked about the costs of producing and distributing this ID, they never offer any constructive suggestions and most of them run away from this topic. JHM, getalife and dB are the only ones to even respond to my queries.
curious
February 8th, 2013
2:38 pm
I spotted Elmer Fudd in the crowd.
ad
February 8th, 2013
2:39 pm
It must be very conflicting for these people espousing Hitler’s philosophy to have to resort to calling Obama Hitler.
PR_uno
February 8th, 2013
2:39 pm
Its funny when Republicans wins when they do the redistricting.
getalife
February 8th, 2013
2:40 pm
Bring a video camera, light some firecrackers, post video to Youtube.
You will get a million hits and get your fifteen minutes.
Moderate Line
February 8th, 2013
2:41 pm
Banner123
February 8th, 2013
2:34 pm
Can someone with the view that the 2nd amendment is for the state only explain why they put it before the 3rd through 8th amendments and not put it at the bottom with the other two amendments which are the state’s rights?
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Have you any proof that the amendments were organized in the way you described other than it helps your argument that is an individual right vs a state right? You are the one making an assertion seems you are the one who should have to prove it.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 8th, 2013
2:42 pm
Be funny is someone dropped a set of firecrackers in that crowd. People would be ducking and diving and many an undie would be soiled.
curious
February 8th, 2013
2:45 pm
Wonder how much ammo was on hand.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 8th, 2013
2:45 pm
Banner123 — “Which way really makes more sense? Can someone who believes that the 2nd Amendment is still a “State” only amendment please explain this discrepancy? I don’t think you can.”
I don’t have that precise view, but I think I can explain some of this for you.
The 2A is clear in stating that people can have firearms because a “militia” is key to national security and freedom. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution clearly empowers Congress to call out the “militia,” so I think it’s clear that it’s the same “militia” being spoken of in both places.
I’ve tried to explain this to TC over the last several weeks, but he’s not getting it. The reason I think that the 2A doesn’t expressly create an individual right is this: several states — at least five — *did* expressly state that arms ownership was an individual right in their founding documents, but not *all* of the first 13 states did. I think that the Founders wanted there to be provision for a Federal militia (remember, they didn’t like standing armies and the original Constitution clearly indicates that) but didn’t want to *force* states into granting the automatic right to arms ownership. I think the Founders wanted *states* to decide for themselves, particularly since several already had done just that.
Does that help?
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 8th, 2013
2:46 pm
Meanwhile…………………………BOTHEL — A security guard opened fire on a 15-year-old boy at a Food and Drug Administration facility in Bothell early Friday, according to police.
Bothell Police Captain Denise Langford said it was not immediately clear why the guard fired at the boy about 7 a.m. in the parking lot of the FDA’s Pacific Regional Laboratory Northwest.
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Clearly……….Uncle Sam’s 2nd amendment rights should be revoked.
Postehaste.
Jay
February 8th, 2013
2:47 pm
Curious, I saw a lot of people carrying extra clips.
pete
February 8th, 2013
2:47 pm
If I ever have a need for a pansy and wimp, good to know that this blog has a full supply of them. Next time I get a hang nail, I will know where to go to get sympathy.
randy lay
February 8th, 2013
2:48 pm
if they put on a uniform and saw what those weapons done to a human body instead of cans, bottles and junk cars they would go to church and pray…..maybe they should see the crime seen photos from newtown……and they would probably puke!!!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 8th, 2013
2:48 pm
Jay, I agree it was to address the repeated claims of a “culture of violence” which is exactly what our poster was claiming when referencing “rap”. So it will be good to have the CDC execute scientific studies to determine if any of those claims are accurate and what steps must be taken.
Of course, like climate change, there will be denials without fact just as we see the continued claims of “voter ID will stop voter fraud” while studies show that reducing voting days actually cause longer lines effectively denying the right to vote better than Jim Crow laws, that many other types of voter fraud (including absentee ballot fraud) are much more likely and studies that show not everyone has the required voter ID nor is it always easy to get one.
Jay
February 8th, 2013
2:48 pm
Finn, Getalife, I doubt the damage would be limited to soiled undies.
Jay
February 8th, 2013
2:49 pm
That would be like yelling “Fire!” in a very crowded theater.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 8th, 2013
2:49 pm
Pete — “I will know where to go to get sympathy.”
I’ll tell you where you can find sympathy.
Look in the dictionary. You’ll find it between “s**t” and “syphilis.”
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
February 8th, 2013
2:49 pm
I bet not a one of them could actually hit the broadside of a barn with their weapons.
If you are willing to bet your life on it, I’d suggest poking around in their back yards after dark.
Banner123
February 8th, 2013
2:50 pm
To Moderate Line,
No, I don’t have any proof but from a logical standpoint and human nature, people typically group items together that are meant to be used in a simalar fashion.
Onto another subject,
MAN, these people were really dangerous with this firepower and not ONE SHOT fired. It is amazing these unlearned, untrained people could keep themselves from firing of a few rounds. (being sarcastic course)
Jay
February 8th, 2013
2:52 pm
“I bet not a one of them could actually hit the broadside of a barn with their weapons.”
Yeah, I wouldn’t make that bet either.
barking frog
February 8th, 2013
2:53 pm
In a group of this sort would an ‘accidental discharge’ be
likely to occur and if it did would it be prosecutable after
the smoke cleared ?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 8th, 2013
2:54 pm
Jay:
Suggested for your Friday evening music thread !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRrCc24-aKc&feature=related
Mick
February 8th, 2013
2:54 pm
Personally, I appreciate the drudgery spam alert…keep it coming and thanks…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 8th, 2013
2:56 pm
Thanks, Mick.
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
February 8th, 2013
2:57 pm
Lots of posters seem to know a lot about these protesters. They have small penises, none of them ever served in the military, they are poor shots, they are mentally ill, and they are cowards, just for starters. And all that information from looking at a couple of pictures. Just damn.
randy lay
February 8th, 2013
2:58 pm
they all have the muzzle pointing at their foot …..a picture is worth a thousand words!
Moderate Line
February 8th, 2013
2:58 pm
Moderate Line
February 8th, 2013
2:41 pm
Banner123
February 8th, 2013
2:34 pm
Can someone with the view that the 2nd amendment is for the state only explain why they put it before the 3rd through 8th amendments and not put it at the bottom with the other two amendments which are the state’s rights?
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The article Slate seems indicate the amendment order was based on what section of the constitution they applied.
The Washington Post article says that the interpretation of the second amendment came about after the civil war because the federal government did not want the states having militia’s this suppressing blacks. This may a case of where the “living constitution” backfires on the left since now it they disagree with that interpretation.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/15/a-history-of-the-second-amendment-in-two-paintings/
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/12/order_of_bill_of_rights_is_second_amendment_the_second_most_important.html
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 8th, 2013
2:58 pm
Lots of posters seem to know a lot about these protesters.
OWS detractors say, “What?”
Class of '98
February 8th, 2013
2:59 pm
“That would be like yelling “Fire!” in a very crowded theater.”
FWIW, it’s perfectly legal to yell “fire” in a crowded theater… if there actually is a fire.
That part is almost never mentioned.
Fly-On-The-Wall
February 8th, 2013
3:00 pm
Well, kooks and nuts on display at our Capitol and this time they were on the outside. I find them to be sick and deranged but our Constitution gives them that right.
As to them hitting the broadside of a barn. Maybe that’s why the need the semi-auto weapon. They’re too lousy of a single shot person so they need to fire off as many as they can in the hope they actually hit their target.
The other thing that bothers me is with this advent of the assault rifle for personal use now everyone can play Rambo or their other favorite movie star action hero. But I guess those movies are ok and shouldn’t be banned, just the movies that have needless death and killing in them. (/snark)
clem
February 8th, 2013
3:00 pm
was mcberry the child molester?
Escaped from Email Purgatory
February 8th, 2013
3:00 pm
Wow Bookman, you’re a dollar short and a month too late.
Your brother in cardiac hemotosis, Piers (Peerz) Morgan deployed this transparent routine last month.
Peerz used extremist loons too – a guy by the name of Alex Jones – to associate advocates of Second Amendment rights with all manner of mental instability and general social disfunction.
His loon was loonier than your loons. Peerz’s loon believes 9/11 was an inside job carried out by the CIA.
Whatta hoot!
Those crazy gun advocates. Gotta love ‘em. Gotta demagogue ‘em.
How droll of you. How clever of you. How dishonest.
DannyX
February 8th, 2013
3:01 pm
“Personally, I appreciate the drudgery spam alert…keep it coming and thanks…”
I love the Drudgery spam! Yes, keep them coming, Kam.
Uh Huh....Gun "Nuts" who strain out gnats, yet gulp down a camel.
February 8th, 2013
3:02 pm
A lot of MATURE at that rally,
must be a pony somewhere in the crowd.
moonbat betty
February 8th, 2013
3:02 pm
“Lots of posters seem to know a lot about these protesters”
A lot of posters are prejudiced.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 8th, 2013
3:03 pm
clem — “was mcberry the child molester?”
I have no direct knowledge of such a thing, but people do talk.
You can probably find some of that talk online if you go a-searching for it.
Old Goober
February 8th, 2013
3:03 pm
I think that the Founders wanted there to be provision for a Federal militia (remember, they didn’t like standing armies and the original Constitution clearly indicates that) but didn’t want to *force* states into granting the automatic right to arms ownership. I think the Founders wanted *states* to decide for themselves, particularly since several already had done just that.
Before the Civil War, many counties had militias. Membership was more or less compulsory for men below the age of 45. At least once a year these militias were called upon to “muster,” bringing their own guns. The muster afforded a nice spectacle for local civilians. In many of what became the Confederate states, these militias were converted to Confederate military units once the war started.
The point is that the Founding Fathers may have had such militias in mind in the drafting of the second amendment. The militias were not the much-feared standing armies, but they could be readily converted to such in a time of need. The existence of such units strikes another blow against those who want to theorize that the Founding Fathers wanted to be certain that armed citizens could rise up to strike a blow against “government tyranny.”
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 8th, 2013
3:03 pm
Oh I agree godless. Only cons can do that with OWS photos or Obama supporter photos.
PS: Don’t need a photo to tell the mentally deranged. Their words and cheers for “NONE” as to what federal gun laws are constitutional tells you a great deal about their mental facilities. Or do you agree with their conclusion.
Simple Truths
February 8th, 2013
3:03 pm
Interesting. Jay defines all semi-automatic long guns as assault weapons. Tisk, tisk, tisk! Playing loose and fast with the definitions. Shame on you, Jay. You know better.
Stevie Ray
February 8th, 2013
3:04 pm
JAY
Someone should have dropped a ton of condoms on their heads…
Bunch of redneck cowards.
Grasshopper
February 8th, 2013
3:04 pm
“Because I’m so incredibly CUTE.
Please, elaborate on the specific ways you find existing constraints on First Amendment rights insufficient. I’m quite curious where you perceive there to be potential for abuses and unreasonable latitude with regard to those rights.”
Quite the opposite…
…and that is what I was arguing too
Again, learn to read and comprehend.
Uh Huh....Gun "Nuts" who strain out gnats, yet gulp down a camel.
February 8th, 2013
3:05 pm
Gun “Nuts” talk a good game when they have their guns, but catch them alone
and they eat their words.
Erwin's cat
February 8th, 2013
3:06 pm
Jay – Erwin. I in no way questioned their right to be there and express those viewpoints, which is what you suggested.
I guess I sorta implied as such as you seem to imply your disapproval of their POV. As you said..it’s the thought that counts….Anyway, I’m not (necessarily) trying to put words in your mouth…
Moderate Line
February 8th, 2013
3:07 pm
Banner123
February 8th, 2013
2:50 pm
To Moderate Line,
No, I don’t have any proof but from a logical standpoint and human nature, people typically group items together that are meant to be used in a simalar fashion.
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I give you credit for admitting you have no proof. However, I can prove that your assumption grouping is incorrect. The original first amendment which failed to gather enough votes to be part of the constitution was about the size of congress growing as the population grew. This does fit into your grouping theory. Since it doesn’t seem to about an individual or a state right.
http://americanvision.org/5642/the-original-first-amendment/
randy lay
February 8th, 2013
3:08 pm
to banner123 into the air straight up like the Islamist in the middle east and then 30scnds later the bullets would hit them in the head and then they would swear someone was shooting at them!!!
Simple Truths
February 8th, 2013
3:08 pm
“That would be like yelling “Fire!” in a very crowded theater.”
Jay, the government doesn’t stop you from yelling fire in the theater. They can punish you if you do it.
With guns, you want to take the guns away instead of punishing the person who does a bad act with them. Why?
One picky point
February 8th, 2013
3:09 pm
Jay; You said “…. roughly a third were carrying semi-automatic long guns, also known as assault weapons.”
I have 22 rifle, bought 33 years ago at a garage sale, that you just labeled an ‘assault weapon’ –because it is a ‘long gun’ (an expression Davey Crocket might have used, I suppose) and it is semi-automatic (meaning I don’t have to load every shot individually before each time I fire the ‘long gun’).
I won’t attempt to label, generalize and characterize your espresso machine, juicer and hair dryer if you won’t attempt to label, generalize and characterize my 22 rifle, which hasn’t been fired in many years.
Paul
February 8th, 2013
3:09 pm
godless
“Lots of posters seem to know a lot about these protesters. They have..”
Good point. I was probably over the top with my reference to them as lunatics.
I’d say a more accurate characterization, one I should have used, would be misinformed, or ill-informed, or ignorant, or uneducated on the issues.
But that’s the wonderful thing about opinions. They can be fact-free, delusional, or just plain wrong, but it doesn’t change reality for some people.
Moderate Line
February 8th, 2013
3:09 pm
Old Goober
February 8th, 2013
3:03 pm
This link seems to agree with you.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/15/a-history-of-the-second-amendment-in-two-paintings/
Stevie Ray
February 8th, 2013
3:09 pm
Funny how now everyone is an expert on the second amendment……seems if you can define it any way you like, it just doesn’t matter…
If you can define something any way you like, the definition is rendered irrelevant.
Jay
February 8th, 2013
3:09 pm
Escaped, one of the groups involved in that event was Georgia Open Carry, which has been prominent and pretty successful in pushing for expansion of Georgia laws allowing public possession of firearms. Larry Pratt, head of Gun Owners of America, a major national gun lobbying group, was also scheduled to speak, although I had to head out to another meeting before he appeared.
So if you wish to categorize such groups as extremist, that’s fine. That’s your opinion. But let’s not pretend that the opinions expressed there did not have a lot of support from the crowd, or that those involved in the rally do not have an impact on legislation.
RexDogma
February 8th, 2013
3:10 pm
Ray McBerry belongs in Prison for what he did to that girl who was a former student of his!!! Sick!!!
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
February 8th, 2013
3:10 pm
Is it time for FNM yet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5Xl0Qry-hA
Uh Huh....Gun "Nuts" who strain out gnats, yet gulp down a camel.
February 8th, 2013
3:10 pm
This rally was not about the 2nd amendment…………….
it was about “that black man can’t tell white men what to do.”
Wait until Hillary is president.
They’ll be saying “that woman can’t tell white men what to do.”
If cons want to LOSE another election keep doing what you do.
Hillary 2016.
Banner123
February 8th, 2013
3:10 pm
To Moderate Line,
I am not arguing the “individual” rights are more important that the “State” rights (in fact i believe they are all equal). I am just arguing that the 2nd amendment is an ‘indvidual’ right compared to tha “states” right
Thulsa Doom
February 8th, 2013
3:10 pm
Let’s just hope these guys do their little protest peacefully like the tea party folks and clean up after themselves before they head home. The taxpayers don’t need to be forking over money to cover the costs of property damage from rioting, investigating rapes, repairing trashed parks, cleaning poop from police cars, and all the other assorted crap that the ows bums did. No wonder so many kook ows folks got arrested. Just the usual lib thug mobs.
Stevie Ray
February 8th, 2013
3:11 pm
One picky point
February 8th, 2013
3:09 pm
Expresso machine, juicer…..thats classic.
Moderate Line
February 8th, 2013
3:12 pm
Paul
February 8th, 2013
3:09 pm
I’d say a more accurate characterization, one I should have used, would be misinformed, or ill-informed, or ignorant, or uneducated on the issues.
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We are misinformed, ill-informed, or ignorant and uneducated on the issues to some degree.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 8th, 2013
3:12 pm
O. Goober — “The point is that the Founding Fathers may have had such militias in mind in the drafting of the second amendment. The militias were not the much-feared standing armies, but they could be readily converted to such in a time of need. The existence of such units strikes another blow against those who want to theorize that the Founding Fathers wanted to be certain that armed citizens could rise up to strike a blow against “government tyranny.”
I think you’re exactly right.
I noticed quite a few people getting upset when I pointed out that Congress asserted authority over the “militia” noted in the 2A, as if I was somehow saying that there couldn’t possibly be Constitutional permission for grass-roots militia. The Constitution doesn’t say anything about *other* sorts of militia, so AFAICS, states and counties certainly could have assembled their own. Having a Federal militia doesn’t prevent a state or county from having their own.
There’s no ‘right’ to armed insurrection in the Constitution, and anyone who’s ever undergone a background check for a Top Secret clearance will know that — one of the questions you’re asked is if you have ever advocated or called for the violent overthrow of the US Government. Clearly, if there *were* such a right, it would be illegal for the government to discriminate on the basis of having exercised it or not.
Moderate Line
February 8th, 2013
3:12 pm
Moderate Line
February 8th, 2013
3:12 pm
Paul
February 8th, 2013
3:09 pm
We are (all) misinformed, ill-informed, or ignorant and uneducated on the issues to some degree.
larry
February 8th, 2013
3:12 pm
I dont know if this has been asked yet or not, but why arent these people at work?
Dont tell me that the right to carry a war weapon supercides their job.
Are these people the moochers of which some of our posters speak of?
I guess after the rally, they all got in their Escalades, went down to Walmart and bought beer, cigarettes and a lottery ticket with their food stamp card.
Jay
February 8th, 2013
3:13 pm
Pickypoint, no. I did not call your .22 an assault weapon.
You need to go to the range and sight in your weapon, because you’re missing the target by a country mile.
Regnad Kcin
February 8th, 2013
3:13 pm
“With guns, you want to take the guns away instead of punishing the person who does a bad act with them. Why?”
Please, a link to where Jay advocated “taking the guns away” – or a retraction, if you prefer…
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
February 8th, 2013
3:13 pm
The Doors sang about those people…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZN4qLSwS5U
indigo
February 8th, 2013
3:14 pm
Simple Truths – 3:08
The 2nd ammendment gives a milita the right to “keep and bear arms”.
In our time, this would be the Military and, by extension, the Police.
The Constitution does NOT give non-milita people to right to “keep and bear arms”.
So, if you and others honestly loved our Constitution, you would get rid of those guns.
Of course, the real reason you nuts are so in love with guns has NOTHING to do with the 2nd ammendment, does it?
One picky point
February 8th, 2013
3:14 pm
@ Stevie — Thank you! Volvo on, Dude!
Moderate Line
February 8th, 2013
3:14 pm
Here is the problem for the left on the 2nd amendment. You can’t argue for original intent on just one amendment. The right argues for original intent for 9 out 10.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 8th, 2013
3:15 pm
Corbin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG8×4NWfY18
Stevie Ray
February 8th, 2013
3:15 pm
Why do people get permits to carry concealed weapons? Is it because they like walking in unsafe areas? Do they have something some dangerous criminal wants?
Simple Truths
February 8th, 2013
3:16 pm
Jay @ 3:13
Let’s review what you wrote:
“roughly a third were carrying semi-automatic long guns, also known as assault weapons.”
Picky point is correct! You lumped semi-automatic long guns as assault weapons.
Road Scholar
February 8th, 2013
3:16 pm
Don’t worry cons, President Obama had his drone air force ready and able to take you out….anytime he pleases! Automatic weapons versus missiles and laser precision…won’t be much of a fight.
Wait! What is that over your shoulder? In the rear view mirror? Under your bed? In your closet….
More paranoid now?
Uh Huh....Gun "Nuts" who strain out gnats, yet gulp down a camel.
February 8th, 2013
3:16 pm
@Stevie Ray
February 8th, 2013
3:09 pm
Funny how now everyone is an expert on the second amendment……seems if you can define it any way you like, it just doesn’t matter…
If you can define something any way you like, the definition is rendered irrelevant.
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“expert on the second amendment?”
Most of the people there only knew that the 2nd amendment
came after the 1st amendment.
Ask any of them to recit the 2nd amendment and most of them would say
“ummmmmm?”
“I dunno what the 2nd mendment is.”
“Alls I know is I can tote a gun.”
Jay
February 8th, 2013
3:19 pm
“Ask any of them to recit the 2nd amendment and most of them would say
“ummmmmm?”
“I dunno what the 2nd mendment is.”
I have full confidence that 90 percent could have recited the Second Amendment word for word.
They might have mumbled the part about a “well-regulated militia,” but they do know the whole thing by heart.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 8th, 2013
3:19 pm
G. Hopper — “Quite the opposite…”
I encouraged you to get up to speed on the existing 1A constraints deemed Constitutional by the SCOTUS. You claimed to know what they were and intimated that further constraints were needed, in your opinion. I’ve twice now asked you to elaborate and explain where you think those constraints are needed. And instead of a polite response, I receive rudeness.
Perhaps *you* are the one who needs to learn to read and comprehend? You certainly need to learn how to be polite, so it’s not out of the realm of possibility that you’re deficient in those other skills, as well.
“Again, learn to read and comprehend.”
I can do both just fine. For your part, learn to *write* more clearly. There’s nothing so special about you or your writing that your thoughts and your intent will be understood by all readers with 100% clarity.
As I am clearly neither uneducated nor dim, I recommend that you look on this as a teaching opportunity, and that you clarify your point instead of simply being a Richard.
OTOH, if you’re simply being a Richard because you don’t care for my posts, I cordially invite you to take a flying leap.
Stevie Ray
February 8th, 2013
3:19 pm
JAY
I was looking at a youtube of Robert Johnson’s Terrapin Blues which was basis for, among others, Trampled Under Foot on Zeppelins Physical Graffitti album
No joking, that chrysler truck ad with Paul Harvey jumped out at me…I’m thinking Chrysler disingenuous with this thing..
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 8th, 2013
3:19 pm
You can’t argue for original intent on just one amendment. The right argues for original intent for 9 out 10.
You do realize there are more than 10 amendments to the US Constitution? And do you have a link to the document where all of the Founding Fathers agreed on “this is the original intent”.
Mr Right, the FOXBOT
February 8th, 2013
3:19 pm
“With all due deference to the separation of powers,” the president said, “last week the Supreme Court reversed a century of law that I believe will open the floodgates for special interests—including foreign corporations—to spend without limit in our elections. [Applause.] I don’t think American elections should be bankrolled by America’s most powerful interests, or worse, by foreign entities. [Applause.]”
Justice Samuel Alito, by mouthing the words “not true” had it right, Obama was lying! With time it’s being proven that he lied to us time after time!
Simple Truths
February 8th, 2013
3:20 pm
Regnad @ 3:13
Here you go!
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/01/11/lets-limit-guns-to-sane-responsible-gun-owners/
larry
February 8th, 2013
3:20 pm
I think Ronnie said it best………………
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AtGZBWRmLA
One picky point
February 8th, 2013
3:20 pm
@ Simple Truth – Thank you. Jay isn’t paying attention; I think he thinks we can read his mind and determine his original intent. Oh, wait, that’s…. never mind.
Jay
February 8th, 2013
3:21 pm
Right, Simple. Just as a constitutional republic is a type of democracy, an assault weapon is a type of semi-auto long rifle.
barking frog
February 8th, 2013
3:21 pm
A great part of the deterrent of carrying a gun is that
you have the gun so why would you hide it ? Open
carry made more sense.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 8th, 2013
3:21 pm
With time it’s being proven that he lied to us time after time!
The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.
pete
February 8th, 2013
3:21 pm
Looks like the maxi-pad crowd is once again whining about guns. Oh gawd…why don’t you grow a pair.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
February 8th, 2013
3:22 pm
Thanks Kam! Great song. It’s going in my collection.
Stevie Ray
February 8th, 2013
3:22 pm
Uh Huh….Gun “Nuts” who strain out gnats, yet gulp down a camel.
February 8th, 2013
No way they don’t know the amendment by heart…..its a big deal to them. Plus I’m not calling them dumb, they are armed to the teeth.
Paul
February 8th, 2013
3:22 pm
Moderate Line
“We are (all) misinformed, ill-informed, or ignorant and uneducated on the issues to some degree.”
Sure we are. But that’s a far cry from a speaker at a rally coming up with doozies like
“the Obama administration is using these “staged crisis events” in exactly the same way that Adolph Hitler used the Reichstag fire, as an excuse to impose complete tyranny on the American people.”
or
“Which federal gun laws are constitutional?” McBerry asked.
“NONE!” the crowd roared back”
That’s not even in the same universe -
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
February 8th, 2013
3:23 pm
PS: Don’t need a photo to tell the mentally deranged. Their words and cheers for “NONE” as to what federal gun laws are constitutional tells you a great deal about their mental facilities. Or do you agree with their conclusion.
I don’t agree with that conclusion. But I don’t agree with lots of ideas that might be a little kooky. I don’t refer to those that hold different ideas as deranged, or call them cowards, or diagnose them as schizophrenic.
Possibly some of their paranoia is a result of the way they are characterized by people such as are posting here today.
Escaped from Email Purgatory
February 8th, 2013
3:23 pm
Bookman, everything’s subject to interpretation I suppose.
Here’s another one: you’re being a tad coy – perhaps disingenuous with your response. Nah, definitely disingenuous. I’m categorizing your narrative as dishonest. Because it is.
It was 250 people. Hardly an impressive crowd. Folks who attend rallies like this are generally the die hards; the true-believers.
It’s very easy for your readers to draw the inference that these folks represent all gun owners.
All the goofy quotes from the speakers you provided. And mention of the presence of the GBI bomb squad. And the pictures accompanying the blog.
You know exactly what you’re doing.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
February 8th, 2013
3:23 pm
Pete,
Why do you need a gun to grow a pair?