The increasingly angry, embittered John McCain

In the video below, Sen. John McCain demonstrates his version of respect for the uniform as he responds to testimony by Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, regarding the inability of the U.S. military to respond in time to the Benghazi attacks. As McCain sees, Dempsey’s testimony was “one of the more bizarre statements I have ever seen” and “simply false”. In other words, the general was lying under oath to a congressional committee:

“I stand by my testimony, your dispute of it notwithstanding,” Dempsey responded afterward.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta backed up Dempsey’s statement before the Senate Armed Services Committee. As Tom Curry of NBC News reports:

“In his testimony, Panetta said the Department of Defense and U.S. armed forces “did all that we could do in response to the attacks in Benghazi.” He explained that “armed UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles, or drones), AC-130 gunships, or fixed-wing fighters with the associated tanking – you’ve got to provide air re-fueling– armaments – you’ve got to arm all the weapons before you put them on the planes” — were not in the vicinity of Libya.

He said that even if he’d been able to deploy F-16 fighters or AC-130 gunships over Benghazi in time, “the mission still depends on accurate information about what targets they’re supposed to hit. And we had no forward air controllers there” and no communications with U.S. personnel on the ground.

He said, “because of the distance, it would have taken at least 9 to 12 hours, if not more, to deploy these forces to Benghazi. This was, pure and simple, — in the absence as I said of any kind of advance warning — a problem of distance and time.”

Panetta also pointed out that the two attacks in Benghazi were relatively brief, and occurred six hours apart. “We were not dealing with a prolonged or continuous assault which could have been brought to an end by a U.S. military response,” Panetta said.

According to Richard Sisk of military.com, McCain wasn’t alone in pressing the case:

“Other Republicans on the committee joined McCain in questioning why the military didn’t send F16s or AC-130 gunships to drive off the terrorists attacking Benghazi, but Dempsey and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, who also testified, said there simply wasn’t time and they lacked the intelligence to mount an effective response.

Dempsey said there wasn’t an AC-130 gunship within 1,000 miles of Benghazi and the nearest F16s at a base in Aviano, Italy, were not on standby alert and would not have reached Benghzi in time.

Panetta added that “you can’t just willy-nilly send F16s there and blow the hell out of a place without knowing what’s taking place.”

It would be nice if the world were as simple and uncomplicated as McCain prefers to it be, if intervention were possible merely because he wants it to be possible, if technicalities such as time and space could be waved away merely by his own insistence that they are unimportant.

We do not live in such a world, although McCain increasingly appears to believe that he does.

– Jay Bookman

519 comments Add your comment

TaxPayer

February 7th, 2013
5:15 pm

McCain continues his quest to be Number One sore loser.

hewhoasks

February 7th, 2013
5:16 pm

They have a myth they want to keep alive. I don’t know which right-wing wacko first came up with the stuff McCain professes to believe but they do like to play follow-the-leader. (That is somewhat of a misuse of the word “leader.”)

jewcowboy

February 7th, 2013
5:16 pm

Age limits…not term limits. If you are too old to drive a car, you are probably too old to make laws.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think

February 7th, 2013
5:19 pm

Jewcowboy,
I agree…I think old John is getting senile…

BTW, you know me…I’m the “Normal” guy around here… ;)

Joe Hussein Mama

February 7th, 2013
5:20 pm

Jay — “Panetta added that “you can’t just willy-nilly send F16s there and blow the hell out of a place without knowing what’s taking place.”

And that’s it in a nutshell. Our cons are apparently butthurt that we *didn’t* do just that.

Michael

February 7th, 2013
5:21 pm

Any honor or respect that I might have had for him faded with his choice of Palin, but now everytime I turn on the TV I see his angry face along with Lyndsey Grahams’ scowl.

josef

February 7th, 2013
5:22 pm

ON TOPIC

Oh, dear…the election is over…

Of more interest to me from that part of the world right now is the goings on in Tunisia…

JEW COWBOY

Shut up, you li’l whippersnapper! :-)

jewcowboy

February 7th, 2013
5:24 pm

Corbin “Normal” Sharpe: “I think old John is getting senile…”

The average life expectancy in the 1700’s was 35. For some reason I think that the Founding Father’s took this into account…and perhaps so should we. ;)

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think

February 7th, 2013
5:24 pm

Josef,
Old guys like me drive good Winnebago’s. They are big, slow, and people get out of their way. :)

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 7th, 2013
5:25 pm

Yea wll…………….ifn there was a few pounds of marijuana or heroin or bags of currency involved, the AL-CIA would have been on it not unlike a chicken on a junebug.
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See Columbia,Peru,Bolivia,Afgan.etc………………

jewcowboy

February 7th, 2013
5:25 pm

“I see his angry face along with Lyndsey Grahams’ scowl.”

Those two old lesbians just need to get a cabin somewhere and work on building a deck.

Mr. Snarky

February 7th, 2013
5:25 pm

The Home beckons…

td

February 7th, 2013
5:26 pm

My next question would have been: Mr Secretary, with it being the anniversary of 911 and all the plots we have killed in the past then why was our entire military not on alert ready status?

jewcowboy

February 7th, 2013
5:26 pm

josef,

“Shut up, you li’l whippersnapper!”

At nearly 40, I see how my own memory has declined. And I don’t have the fate of the nation in my hands. ;)

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think

February 7th, 2013
5:27 pm

I think that John McCain’s real problem is that he was the first white man running for President who was whipped by the first Black man running for President. I bet that left a scar… heh, heh

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 7th, 2013
5:27 pm

What’s up with those crazy gun nuts in Los Angeles murdering two Asian women ?
.
.Probably won’t here anything about it.
They were wearing the proper costume ………….I guess.
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sheeeesh

Christian Conservative

February 7th, 2013
5:28 pm

The increasingly angry, embittered Jay Bookman.

The man that can’t stand to live in the bright red state of Georgia…..

Soothsayer

February 7th, 2013
5:30 pm

josef

February 7th, 2013
5:31 pm

CORBIN

You don’t mess with Winnebago drivers…! :-)

JEWCOWBOY

Well, like they say, life begins at 40…what they don’t say is that it’s downhill all the way past 50!

Joe Hussein Mama

February 7th, 2013
5:32 pm

td — “My next question would have been: Mr Secretary, with it being the anniversary of 911 and all the plots we have killed in the past then why was our entire military not on alert ready status?”

Probably because we didn’t have any actionable intel.

But once again — what, precisely, would you have had our military DO? Enter a friendly country in force with guns blazing? How do you think that would be received by the host country?

Once again, embassy and consular security is a HOST NATION responsibility. Libya failed in that responsiblity, so let’s learn from that failure and make changes going forward.

jewcowboy

February 7th, 2013
5:35 pm

“The man that can’t stand to live in the bright red state of Georgia…..”

With the “blueing” of Ga lately I would say more accurately “the Pantone 19-2030 TPX state of Georgia.”

http://www.pantone.com/pages/pantone/colorfinder.aspx?c_id=4511

JamVet

February 7th, 2013
5:36 pm

Perhaps the greatest mistake out of many big mistakes that Mitt made – “Let Detroit Go Bankrupt”, not releasing his tax returns, the disastrous UK trip, picking Paul Ryan – was to blame those American personnel overseas for sympathizing with their murderers.

To me it stands as one of the most insane and reprehensible moves by a presidential candidate that I have witnessed in forty years…

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 7th, 2013
5:37 pm

May 30, 2012————
This race in Texas is important, because many factors were stacked in favor of the drug warrior. Reyes, the ranking member of the Intelligence Committee and a member of the Unmanned Systems Caucus in Congress (the Predator Drone caucus) is a proponent of militarizing the border and sending in drones to Mexico to kill cartel leaders.

“We have to do what we’ve done essentially in Pakistan, and that is start taking out the heads of the cartels,” said Reyes, whose four-year tenure as chairman of the House Intelligence Committee ended in December. That, he said, is what it will take to end the cartel drug wars that have caused 35,000 deaths and brought Juárez and other Mexican towns and cities to their knees since 2008.

Asked if he meant employing the kind of drone missile strikes that have been effective but hugely unpopular in Pakistan, Reyes told El Paso Inc., “I wouldn’t rule that out.”

This debate over the war on drugs was not incidental in the race. O’Rourke has argued that drug laws increase profits for Mexican drug cartels and increase violence; Reyes used this stance to run ads against O’Rourke using children shaking their heads and saying “just say no” to drugs. The Nancy Reagan-esque messaging did not cause O’Rourke to run fearfully, instead, O’Rourke stood his ground and made the argument that the drug war causes murder on the other side of the border. That O’Rourke won is, politically speaking, like seeing a dog walk on his hind legs. This just isn’t supposed to happen.

What makes this even more impressive is that Reyes was endorsed by Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. In primaries, these kinds of endorsements are exceptionally important, because people in Democratic primaries like and trust Democratic leaders. That the voters threw out an ardent drug warrior despite such endorsements and without an obvious scandal is a very powerful statement about the change in political atmosphere around the war on drugs.

There are many reasons to be happy that Reyes lost. He is and was an awful Congressman, both stupid and craven. As Democratic leader of the Intelligence Committee, Reyes did not know the group Hezbollah, and he didn’t know whether Al Qaeda was Sunni or Shia. Reyes is a proponent of any number of authoritarian policies violating our civil liberties, and he is backed by predator drone cash. So if you like militarizing, well, everything, then Reyes is your man. And this has been the trend recently.

Read more at http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/05/drug-warrior-and-pro-drone-congressman-silvestres-reyes-goes-down-hard.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think

February 7th, 2013
5:37 pm

Josef, Jewcowboy,
My Son turns 50 this Saturday. I sent him a card that says, “Happy Birthday! Remember that age 50 is not mid life…35 is.” I hope he likes it.,.. :)

TaxPayer

February 7th, 2013
5:38 pm

CC–”Oooh! Look! A duckie!”

pete

February 7th, 2013
5:38 pm

McCain is obviously getting senile, but what’s Lindsey Graham’s excuse? Ten years ago, McCain was a reasonable, principled conservative. Now he’s just crazy.

jewcowboy

February 7th, 2013
5:39 pm

Corbin Sharpe,

“Happy Birthday! Remember that age 50 is not mid life…35 is.”

Dang! That is cold…. :lol:

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 7th, 2013
5:39 pm

Yesterday———–
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The Mexican government confirmed Wednesday that it had authorized the use of U.S. drones to collect intelligence on several occasions, a new sign of the two countries’ intensifying cooperation against the drug cartels threatening Mexico.

The statement from Mexico’s presidential office said the drones had been requested for “specific occasions and events” and had been operated under the supervision of its government.

But until now, the flights were secret, apparently out of concern about a possible backlash in Mexico. Mexican politicians and the public have historically been highly sensitive to U.S. involvement in the country.

The use of the drones was first reported by the New York Times, which said the Pentagon began sending high-altitude, unarmed drones deep into Mexico last month.
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Don’t be concerned about the creepage though.
It’s all legal…………as per obama and Holder.
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lol

Jay

February 7th, 2013
5:41 pm

“The man that can’t stand to live in the bright red state of Georgia…..

Been here almost a quarter century not, CC, and planning to stick around. Can’t beat this Southren hospitality.

James

February 7th, 2013
5:41 pm

The Defense Department and this left wing administration can come up with a thousand excuses why these people were killed, but none are legitimate. However, there are lots of left wing loonies, who will believe anything. If George W. Bush had been president when this happened, I wonder what Bookman would have to say. He would be on him every day! McCain has every right to be concerned and deserves answers!!

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think

February 7th, 2013
5:41 pm

Pete,

I think Graham is having to play the hard-ass game because he’d coming up for re-election and will have a Tea Party Type yapping at his heels. I always thought he was more moderate than what he is showing now, so I bet he’s running scared.

TaxPayer

February 7th, 2013
5:43 pm

McCain just needs to go back on the road with Sarah. Maybe get the old band back together. What were they called. The Five Keatings. Or something like that.

Jay

February 7th, 2013
5:44 pm

“If George W. Bush had been president when this happened, I wonder what Bookman would have to say. He would be on him every day!”

James, a quick question or two if I may: Who was president on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, when more than 3,000 Americans died?

And when did I ever blame President Bush for that calamity?

Be sure to get back to me with answers, please.

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 7th, 2013
5:44 pm

C,mom people.
Give McCain a break.
The souless have MUCH in comman.

April 22, 2012————-
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Visiting Benghazi today, John McCain lauded Obama’s decision to deploy US drones over Libya. Notes CNN:

McCain defended the track record of predator drones in Pakistan and Afghanistan, arguing that their use has only resulted in civilian deaths when targets have been misidentified.

Let’s be sure to check back with the good people of Libya in a few weeks – and see if McCain might want to clarify his comments.
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lol

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think

February 7th, 2013
5:44 pm

jewcowboy

February 7th, 2013
5:39 pm

Just getting back at him, last year for my 65th he sent me a toy shovel… :)

pogo

February 7th, 2013
5:44 pm

The LA shooter is a bigtime Obama supporter, loves gun control and just loves Michelles bangs.

fedup

February 7th, 2013
5:45 pm

td, you know that little hornet’s nest jr. started about 10years ago. We have to keep an eye on the area. Libya was not top priority. That is what DOD is telling us. Focus man focus.

Jay

February 7th, 2013
5:47 pm

Really, Pogo?

Show some class. Just a little.

JamVet

February 7th, 2013
5:49 pm

The Alabama man who killed that bus driver and terrorized that five year old was a government hater who listened to a lot of conservative talk radio, pogo.

So what is your point exactly?

clem

February 7th, 2013
5:50 pm

td, our great military advisor. sorta like paul broun who ought to check this out:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/07/human-jawbone-fossil-homo-erectus_n_2637700.html

josef

February 7th, 2013
5:50 pm

CORBIN

Remember when you turned 50 and got put on the AARP mailing list? That hurt.

комиссар (Occupation)

February 7th, 2013
5:51 pm

So the right-wingers have been given the go-ahead to go on the offensive on drones.

Now watch them move in formation.

clem

February 7th, 2013
5:51 pm

and anybody who picked palin has gotta be a fool

Patrick Edmondson

February 7th, 2013
5:51 pm

McCain is starting to believe those heart stirring movies where the old guy goes in and whips the young hooligans into shape, or blows them away. Only in movies and dreams. Unlike the movies,an armed response is not always just around the corner and the bad guys don’t jump out to die. We can not be, nor should we be, the world’s policeman.

Truth-o-meter

February 7th, 2013
5:55 pm

John McCain.
Reason # 93 (days since 2012 election) that Republicans won’t get my vote.

indigo

February 7th, 2013
5:55 pm

McCain is an incredibly sore loser and is determined to undermine, any way he can, the Presidency of Barak Obama.

That he would completely disrespect a 4 star general is only the latest in his bitter war on Obama. By making such a huge mountain out of this small Benghazi molehill, he shows nothing but comtempt for the best interests of the American people and has insured that the mindless cons will follow his toxic pied pipers tune.

Its definitly time for him to resign.

Soothsayer

February 7th, 2013
5:58 pm

“and anybody who picked palin has gotta be a fool”

What are you talking about? She was the best-looking candidate by far.

комиссар (Occupation)

February 7th, 2013
5:58 pm

indigo: “That he would completely disrespect a 4 star general is only the latest in his bitter war on Obama. ”

What makes you so sure this is about a vendetta by McCain against Obama? Couldn’t the motivation lies somewhere else?

indigo

February 7th, 2013
5:59 pm

Thomas Hewyard Jr.

Give it a rest, boy.

Nobody is paying much attention to your drivel.

The only thing you succeed in doing here is bothering intelligent people.

indigo

February 7th, 2013
6:00 pm

Occupation -”couldn’t the motivation lie somwhere else?

Such as?

jewcowboy

February 7th, 2013
6:00 pm

Replace “Diabeetus” with “Benghazi”, then squint and you can see McCain.

http://youtu.be/KICIOYlZTr8

vinny

February 7th, 2013
6:03 pm

The Obama administartion completely botched this one, and Jay launches after Republicans.

Typical bedwetting, liberal Alinsky tactic – Way to go Jay!

Common Sense isn't very Common

February 7th, 2013
6:04 pm

Jay

I wonder while some compare collateral damage from drones they don’t from fighters?

I just find it interesting.

комиссар (Occupation)

February 7th, 2013
6:06 pm

indigo: “Such as?”

Perhaps an effort at distracting from the bankruptcy of the neocon foreign policy project and an attempt to keep open a space in which one might imagine that there’s really a major gulf between the Democrats and Republicans generally in terms of policy. I don’t know.

I’m not saying it’s not possible McCain’s motivated by personal resentment directed towards Obama. I’m just saying I don’t necessarily find it to be the most plausible. McCain is impetuous, vain, and all the rest, but I’m not convinced he’s taken leave of his sense so fully as to be this reckless w/no real deeper ideological motive, not yet at least.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think

February 7th, 2013
6:07 pm

Josef,
Yeah, I remember the AARP card, but what really got to me was when I received my Medicare card…

Scrivener

February 7th, 2013
6:08 pm

I notice you don’t make any mention of the fact that Obama was MIA during all this, as was brought out in the testimony today. You’re really predictable, Jay, at glossing over stuff that’s inconvenient to your politics.

Jay

February 7th, 2013
6:09 pm

I giggle every time I see the word “Alinsky” regurgitated.

Saul would be so proud.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think

February 7th, 2013
6:12 pm

saywhat?

February 7th, 2013
6:14 pm

Scrivener

February 7th, 2013
6:08 pm
I notice you don’t make any mention of the fact that Obama was MIA during all this, as was brought out in the testimony today. You’re really predictable, Jay, at glossing over stuff that’s inconvenient to your politics
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Of course he neglected to mention it, because if only Obama were at some specific yet un-named place at some mythical point in time , he could have personally willed military assets to be where they were needed when they were needed, breaking the laws of time and physics.

Oh wait, you are a republiconserviteatardibitarian of some sort, and probably don’t believe in the laws of physics, so I understand your confusion.

Moderate Line

February 7th, 2013
6:14 pm

A different view. I guess it depends on who you want to believe. I currently don’t have a reason to believe either one.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/02/07/penetta-dempsey-benghazi-analysis/1898301/

josef

February 7th, 2013
6:15 pm

CORBIN

@ 6:12
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

[...] No Specific Threats Before Benghazi AttackVoice of AmericaReuters -Huffington Post -Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog)all 252 news articles » [...]

CC

February 7th, 2013
6:16 pm

I’m sure that Air Force One could respond immediately to any request made by Obama, whether it be a vacation for his family and twenty or more friends in Mexico or a jaunt to Hawaii.

When Nancy Pelosi was the Speaker, you can bet that HER aircraft was always at the ready (and well-provisioned with booze and delicacies) to fly her and her friends to CA.

The ability was there to provide assistance to the Ambassador and the Navy SEALs, but it was NOT done.

This is nothing more than ‘cover’ for Obama, Clinton and the other dimocrat criminals.

Common Sense isn't very Common

February 7th, 2013
6:17 pm

josef

That’s because Corbin ain’t Normal :-)

Old Boy

February 7th, 2013
6:17 pm

Nice jab at Senator McCain’s “respect for the uniform.” Aside from your disdain for all things Conservative, I don’t know much about you, Jay. I would be very interested in the background of someone who would indirectly question the patriotism of one who has given so much for his country as Senator McCain has. It seems like it would be as insane as a Rush Limbaugh-type nut questioning the late Senator Inouye’s patriotism.

Scrivener

February 7th, 2013
6:17 pm

saywhat, are you really as dense as your post would suggest? I guess you are. Just who do you think Panetta was getting orders from?

getalife

February 7th, 2013
6:17 pm

He went insane after torture.

Get him and graham out of foreign policy.

josef

February 7th, 2013
6:18 pm

CC

“The ability was there to provide assistance to the Ambassador and the Navy SEALs, but it was NOT done.”

Really? Fill us in….

F. Sinkwich

February 7th, 2013
6:18 pm

Thanks for busting the page, Corbin. Nice work.

getalife

February 7th, 2013
6:22 pm

filky,

RIP conservatism.

josef

February 7th, 2013
6:23 pm

COMMON

Thass a fact! :-)

OLD BOY

“I don’t know much about you, Jay. I would be very interested in the background of someone who would indirectly question the patriotism of one who has given so much for his country as Senator McCain has.”

You might be surprised at the first part, and as for the second part. did he question the good Senator’s patriotism? Being a patriot doesn’t give anybody a free card…

Now, being a doddering old fool? Well, Big Daddy do have a tendency to give a free pass there. :-)

getalife

February 7th, 2013
6:24 pm

President will not arm Syrian rebels.

josef

February 7th, 2013
6:26 pm

getalife

Are you following events in Tunisia?

CC

February 7th, 2013
6:26 pm

“Really? Fill us in….”

I won’t waste my time or yours. I’m no longer fall for the ploys of a master baiter.

Wilbur

February 7th, 2013
6:27 pm

Have you read the Obama adminstration’s definition of “imminent” when authorizing a drone strike? It means anything but what it seems to mean. The truth is that Obama has claimed the right to kill american citizens at will by drones.
If Bookman had a shred of intellectual honesty he would be outraged by the Obama position. If a republican took the same position that Obama has taken, I think poor Jay would just have his head explode and it would be over. But since it’s Obama, all of Bookman’s would be qualms are just laid aside. Why? Because Jay Bookman is a hypocrite. Plain and simple.

getalife

February 7th, 2013
6:28 pm

josef,

The assassination?

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think

February 7th, 2013
6:28 pm

Busting the page???

комиссар (Occupation)

February 7th, 2013
6:28 pm

josef: “Are you following events in Tunisia?”

Since we’re not francophone, it’s as if it’s not even happening.

A brief glance here (http://www.lemonde.fr/) is sufficient to illustrate the vast difference in geographical awareness in English and French-speaking countries.

F. Sinkwich

February 7th, 2013
6:29 pm

“The increasingly angry, embittered John McCain”

Criticize O’Bozo = Angry, Embittered

Got it.

As Hillary asked, what does it matter? Other than the poor victim’s families, life goes on as it always has, especially for O’Bozo. MSM doesn’t care. Most of America doesn’t even remember it happened. And pundits like Jay may bring it up from time to time, but only to ridicule those who find such reprehensible neglect as something noteworthy.

Move on, nothing to see here….

In the middle

February 7th, 2013
6:29 pm

The left will always get a pass. Get used to it. Jay may not have blamed Bush for 911, but there were plenty on the left that not only blamed Bush, but claimed he actually orchestrated the attack. Don’t forget hurricane Katrina, not only was Bush blamed for the hurricane itself (because of global warming) he was additionally accused of blowing up the levies to purposely get rid of everybody in the 9th ward.

josef

February 7th, 2013
6:29 pm

CC

I was serious. I’m interested in hearing what folks think could/should have been done in real time and place…

Those silly, fun-loving offspring of the 47% are at it again...

February 7th, 2013
6:29 pm

Scrivener

February 7th, 2013
6:30 pm

Just wow. I actually watched the video. I very sincerely hope everyone watches it, and then they will realize once and for all how dishonest Jay is. There is absolutely nothing “angry” or “embittered” about this. McCain is a hundred percent right in his questioning and is very calm and not at all disrespectful.

indigo

February 7th, 2013
6:30 pm

Occupation – 6:06

You could be right.

McCains actions have a level of the bizarre and make any rational analysis difficult, to say the least.

getalife

February 7th, 2013
6:32 pm

Old, bitter sore losers, crazy and unhinged is representing his base of cons.

WrteStufLA

February 7th, 2013
6:32 pm

So much for that one-time principled warrior, turned bloated, blotchy, bitter old man … The Formerly Honorable John McCain.

комиссар (Occupation)

February 7th, 2013
6:35 pm

Wilbur: ” If Bookman had a shred of intellectual honesty he would be outraged by the Obama position. If a republican took the same position that Obama has taken, I think poor Jay would just have his head explode and it would be over. But since it’s Obama, all of Bookman’s would be qualms are just laid aside. Why? Because Jay Bookman is a hypocrite. Plain and simple.”

But you see, while all that may be true, you yourself are guilty of the very same charge you’re leveling. You don’t expect us to believe for one second that you yourself would criticize Bush/Cheney, or for that matter will criticize a Marco Rubio or similar, were such a figure to be in Obama’s position, do you?

By the way, here’s a chance for you to show for us that you yourself are intellectually honest. Here’s some neocon love for Obama’s drone policy: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/john-bolton-praises-obamas-drone-program-as-sensible-and-consistent-extension-of-bush-era-policies/.

Have at it.

Moderate Line

February 7th, 2013
6:38 pm

Dempsey’s testimony was “one of the more bizarre statements I have ever seen” and “simply false”. In other words, the general was lying under oath to a congressional committee.
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Here are my thoughts so far. Dempsey in Army General. How much does he know about Air Force capabilities? I have no idea. Also, Panetta was also in the Army. I would bet both of them are merely passing on information they were briefed on. Not necessarily lying. The defense of Susan Rice was she was just passing on information which I believe is true. Now, I am suppose to take these two guys as gospel.

I believe most of these hearings are for show. Nothing will be accomplished. Both sides will make in to what they want.

Jackie

February 7th, 2013
6:38 pm

Sen. John McCain(R-AZ) has issues, yet, the citizens of AZ keep electing him and Gov. Brewer(R-AZ) and Sheriff Joe Apiao.

Even had a sheriff of a county in AZ that said he would not enforce any laws concerning gun control measures that Pres. Obama had to sign by executive order because, in his opinion, they were not Constitutional.

He believes that all laws and actions have to be passed by the Legislative body of our government and the President, since he is anti-gun and a Muslim, is not acting in the best interest of the country.

Moderate Line

February 7th, 2013
6:39 pm

Scrivener

February 7th, 2013
6:30 pm
Just wow. I actually watched the video. I very sincerely hope everyone watches it, and then they will realize once and for all how dishonest Jay is. There is absolutely nothing “angry” or “embittered” about this. McCain is a hundred percent right in his questioning and is very calm and not at all disrespectful.
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I thought the same thing.

Latrina

February 7th, 2013
6:40 pm

Hey at least McCain didn’t say “my friends” at the end of every other breath, a la 2008. I decided right then the guy must be a little senile.

Soothsayer

February 7th, 2013
6:41 pm

Cherokee

February 7th, 2013
6:42 pm

Hmmm I notice James slunk (slinked?) away pretty quickly, there….

Jackie

February 7th, 2013
6:42 pm

@Moderate

Have you ever considered that a 4-star general, regardless of his branch of service, has a top secret crypto security clearance and has spent considerable time at the War College in Carlisle Barracks, Pa.

What informational ability is he lacking?

Old Boy

February 7th, 2013
6:42 pm

Josef – Directly, he did not. However, by sarcastically commenting on his lack of respect for the uniform, I felt it was implied. Similar to how my academic friend who had just finished his 10 years in school questioned me on my lack of love for my country when I returned from my second combat tour and got to meet my 18 month old son, I don’t know if he had earned that right. Maybe Jay has. Maybe you have as well. Hats off to the two of you, because I sure as heck haven’t, nor have many of the soldiers with whom I served.

F. Sinkwich

February 7th, 2013
6:43 pm

“I’m interested in hearing what folks think could/should have been done in real time and place…’

Assuming you’re serious, I’ll take a stab at it.

9/11 is the terrorist’s Fourth of July. Months prior to that date O’Bozo should have directed our forces to assess vulnerabilities then develop action plans to address them.

O’Bozo didn’t. Sux for the victims. But no one cares, soooo….

Move on.

Cherokee

February 7th, 2013
6:44 pm

Have to admit I’d probably be bitter too, knowing that the reason I lost the election was my own doing – that is, the selection of Bible Spice of the Tundra for my running mate….

Who really cares who I am, anyway?

February 7th, 2013
6:45 pm

Sinkwich-
You seriously missed HRC’s point:

Point being-it truly DOESN’T matter what precipitated it…what DOES matter is what to do to PREVENT it from happening again.

Her point-it doesn’t truly matter what the reasons were-the outcome was the same. 4 dead Americans. The IMPORTANT issue is how to make sure this never happens again..which really, is an impossible task….

getalife

February 7th, 2013
6:45 pm

It is very obvious President Obama drove the gop insane.

saywhat?

February 7th, 2013
6:48 pm

Scrivener

February 7th, 2013
6:30 pm
“Just wow. I actually watched the video………”
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Just wow, and only 1 hour and 25 minutes after it was posted, not to mention after making a number of posts already. A thinking person would actually watch the video first, and THEN post a comment.

But then again, you are some variation of a Republiconservateatardibitarian, and not expected to put much effort into thinking. http://psp.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/03/16/0146167212439213.abstract

As to your 6:17, please kindly explain what difference “who do you think Panetta was getting orders from?” would have made as to where military assets were located at the time of the Benghazi attacks.