The increasingly angry, embittered John McCain
In the video below, Sen. John McCain demonstrates his version of respect for the uniform as he responds to testimony by Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, regarding the inability of the U.S. military to respond in time to the Benghazi attacks. As McCain sees, Dempsey’s testimony was “one of the more bizarre statements I have ever seen” and “simply false”. In other words, the general was lying under oath to a congressional committee:
“I stand by my testimony, your dispute of it notwithstanding,” Dempsey responded afterward.
Defense Secretary Leon Panetta backed up Dempsey’s statement before the Senate Armed Services Committee. As Tom Curry of NBC News reports:
“In his testimony, Panetta said the Department of Defense and U.S. armed forces “did all that we could do in response to the attacks in Benghazi.” He explained that “armed UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles, or drones), AC-130 gunships, or fixed-wing fighters with the associated tanking – you’ve got to provide air re-fueling– armaments – you’ve got to arm all the weapons before you put them on the planes” — were not in the vicinity of Libya.
He said that even if he’d been able to deploy F-16 fighters or AC-130 gunships over Benghazi in time, “the mission still depends on accurate information about what targets they’re supposed to hit. And we had no forward air controllers there” and no communications with U.S. personnel on the ground.
He said, “because of the distance, it would have taken at least 9 to 12 hours, if not more, to deploy these forces to Benghazi. This was, pure and simple, — in the absence as I said of any kind of advance warning — a problem of distance and time.”
Panetta also pointed out that the two attacks in Benghazi were relatively brief, and occurred six hours apart. “We were not dealing with a prolonged or continuous assault which could have been brought to an end by a U.S. military response,” Panetta said.
According to Richard Sisk of military.com, McCain wasn’t alone in pressing the case:
“Other Republicans on the committee joined McCain in questioning why the military didn’t send F16s or AC-130 gunships to drive off the terrorists attacking Benghazi, but Dempsey and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, who also testified, said there simply wasn’t time and they lacked the intelligence to mount an effective response.
Dempsey said there wasn’t an AC-130 gunship within 1,000 miles of Benghazi and the nearest F16s at a base in Aviano, Italy, were not on standby alert and would not have reached Benghzi in time.
Panetta added that “you can’t just willy-nilly send F16s there and blow the hell out of a place without knowing what’s taking place.”
It would be nice if the world were as simple and uncomplicated as McCain prefers to it be, if intervention were possible merely because he wants it to be possible, if technicalities such as time and space could be waved away merely by his own insistence that they are unimportant.
We do not live in such a world, although McCain increasingly appears to believe that he does.
– Jay Bookman
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TaxPayer
February 7th, 2013
5:15 pm
McCain continues his quest to be Number One sore loser.
hewhoasks
February 7th, 2013
5:16 pm
They have a myth they want to keep alive. I don’t know which right-wing wacko first came up with the stuff McCain professes to believe but they do like to play follow-the-leader. (That is somewhat of a misuse of the word “leader.”)
jewcowboy
February 7th, 2013
5:16 pm
Age limits…not term limits. If you are too old to drive a car, you are probably too old to make laws.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
February 7th, 2013
5:19 pm
Jewcowboy,
I agree…I think old John is getting senile…
BTW, you know me…I’m the “Normal” guy around here…
Joe Hussein Mama
February 7th, 2013
5:20 pm
Jay — “Panetta added that “you can’t just willy-nilly send F16s there and blow the hell out of a place without knowing what’s taking place.”
And that’s it in a nutshell. Our cons are apparently butthurt that we *didn’t* do just that.
Michael
February 7th, 2013
5:21 pm
Any honor or respect that I might have had for him faded with his choice of Palin, but now everytime I turn on the TV I see his angry face along with Lyndsey Grahams’ scowl.
josef
February 7th, 2013
5:22 pm
ON TOPIC
Oh, dear…the election is over…
Of more interest to me from that part of the world right now is the goings on in Tunisia…
JEW COWBOY
Shut up, you li’l whippersnapper!
jewcowboy
February 7th, 2013
5:24 pm
Corbin “Normal” Sharpe: “I think old John is getting senile…”
The average life expectancy in the 1700’s was 35. For some reason I think that the Founding Father’s took this into account…and perhaps so should we.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
February 7th, 2013
5:24 pm
Josef,
Old guys like me drive good Winnebago’s. They are big, slow, and people get out of their way.
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 7th, 2013
5:25 pm
Yea wll…………….ifn there was a few pounds of marijuana or heroin or bags of currency involved, the AL-CIA would have been on it not unlike a chicken on a junebug.
,
See Columbia,Peru,Bolivia,Afgan.etc………………
jewcowboy
February 7th, 2013
5:25 pm
“I see his angry face along with Lyndsey Grahams’ scowl.”
Those two old lesbians just need to get a cabin somewhere and work on building a deck.
Mr. Snarky
February 7th, 2013
5:25 pm
The Home beckons…
td
February 7th, 2013
5:26 pm
My next question would have been: Mr Secretary, with it being the anniversary of 911 and all the plots we have killed in the past then why was our entire military not on alert ready status?
jewcowboy
February 7th, 2013
5:26 pm
josef,
“Shut up, you li’l whippersnapper!”
At nearly 40, I see how my own memory has declined. And I don’t have the fate of the nation in my hands.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
February 7th, 2013
5:27 pm
I think that John McCain’s real problem is that he was the first white man running for President who was whipped by the first Black man running for President. I bet that left a scar… heh, heh
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 7th, 2013
5:27 pm
What’s up with those crazy gun nuts in Los Angeles murdering two Asian women ?
.
.Probably won’t here anything about it.
They were wearing the proper costume ………….I guess.
.
sheeeesh
Christian Conservative
February 7th, 2013
5:28 pm
The increasingly angry, embittered Jay Bookman.
The man that can’t stand to live in the bright red state of Georgia…..
Soothsayer
February 7th, 2013
5:30 pm
Breasts, buttocks banned by CBS from Grammys (AJC)
NEW YORK —
CBS is asking stars not to bare too much skin at the Grammy Awards on Sunday.
The network requests that “buttocks and female breasts are adequately covered” for the televised award show. The memo sent out Wednesday also warned against “see-through clothing,” exposure of “the genital region” and said that “thong type costumes are problematic.”
Notice they didn’t say nothing ’bout male breasts!
Heck! If thay ain’t gonna show none of that stuff, why would I wanna watch? Anyway?
josef
February 7th, 2013
5:31 pm
CORBIN
You don’t mess with Winnebago drivers…!
JEWCOWBOY
Well, like they say, life begins at 40…what they don’t say is that it’s downhill all the way past 50!
Joe Hussein Mama
February 7th, 2013
5:32 pm
td — “My next question would have been: Mr Secretary, with it being the anniversary of 911 and all the plots we have killed in the past then why was our entire military not on alert ready status?”
Probably because we didn’t have any actionable intel.
But once again — what, precisely, would you have had our military DO? Enter a friendly country in force with guns blazing? How do you think that would be received by the host country?
Once again, embassy and consular security is a HOST NATION responsibility. Libya failed in that responsiblity, so let’s learn from that failure and make changes going forward.
jewcowboy
February 7th, 2013
5:35 pm
“The man that can’t stand to live in the bright red state of Georgia…..”
With the “blueing” of Ga lately I would say more accurately “the Pantone 19-2030 TPX state of Georgia.”
http://www.pantone.com/pages/pantone/colorfinder.aspx?c_id=4511
JamVet
February 7th, 2013
5:36 pm
Perhaps the greatest mistake out of many big mistakes that Mitt made – “Let Detroit Go Bankrupt”, not releasing his tax returns, the disastrous UK trip, picking Paul Ryan – was to blame those American personnel overseas for sympathizing with their murderers.
To me it stands as one of the most insane and reprehensible moves by a presidential candidate that I have witnessed in forty years…
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 7th, 2013
5:37 pm
May 30, 2012————
This race in Texas is important, because many factors were stacked in favor of the drug warrior. Reyes, the ranking member of the Intelligence Committee and a member of the Unmanned Systems Caucus in Congress (the Predator Drone caucus) is a proponent of militarizing the border and sending in drones to Mexico to kill cartel leaders.
“We have to do what we’ve done essentially in Pakistan, and that is start taking out the heads of the cartels,” said Reyes, whose four-year tenure as chairman of the House Intelligence Committee ended in December. That, he said, is what it will take to end the cartel drug wars that have caused 35,000 deaths and brought Juárez and other Mexican towns and cities to their knees since 2008.
Asked if he meant employing the kind of drone missile strikes that have been effective but hugely unpopular in Pakistan, Reyes told El Paso Inc., “I wouldn’t rule that out.”
This debate over the war on drugs was not incidental in the race. O’Rourke has argued that drug laws increase profits for Mexican drug cartels and increase violence; Reyes used this stance to run ads against O’Rourke using children shaking their heads and saying “just say no” to drugs. The Nancy Reagan-esque messaging did not cause O’Rourke to run fearfully, instead, O’Rourke stood his ground and made the argument that the drug war causes murder on the other side of the border. That O’Rourke won is, politically speaking, like seeing a dog walk on his hind legs. This just isn’t supposed to happen.
What makes this even more impressive is that Reyes was endorsed by Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. In primaries, these kinds of endorsements are exceptionally important, because people in Democratic primaries like and trust Democratic leaders. That the voters threw out an ardent drug warrior despite such endorsements and without an obvious scandal is a very powerful statement about the change in political atmosphere around the war on drugs.
There are many reasons to be happy that Reyes lost. He is and was an awful Congressman, both stupid and craven. As Democratic leader of the Intelligence Committee, Reyes did not know the group Hezbollah, and he didn’t know whether Al Qaeda was Sunni or Shia. Reyes is a proponent of any number of authoritarian policies violating our civil liberties, and he is backed by predator drone cash. So if you like militarizing, well, everything, then Reyes is your man. And this has been the trend recently.
Read more at http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/05/drug-warrior-and-pro-drone-congressman-silvestres-reyes-goes-down-hard.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
February 7th, 2013
5:37 pm
Josef, Jewcowboy,
My Son turns 50 this Saturday. I sent him a card that says, “Happy Birthday! Remember that age 50 is not mid life…35 is.” I hope he likes it.,..
TaxPayer
February 7th, 2013
5:38 pm
CC–”Oooh! Look! A duckie!”
pete
February 7th, 2013
5:38 pm
McCain is obviously getting senile, but what’s Lindsey Graham’s excuse? Ten years ago, McCain was a reasonable, principled conservative. Now he’s just crazy.
jewcowboy
February 7th, 2013
5:39 pm
Corbin Sharpe,
“Happy Birthday! Remember that age 50 is not mid life…35 is.”
Dang! That is cold….
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 7th, 2013
5:39 pm
Yesterday———–
.
The Mexican government confirmed Wednesday that it had authorized the use of U.S. drones to collect intelligence on several occasions, a new sign of the two countries’ intensifying cooperation against the drug cartels threatening Mexico.
The statement from Mexico’s presidential office said the drones had been requested for “specific occasions and events” and had been operated under the supervision of its government.
But until now, the flights were secret, apparently out of concern about a possible backlash in Mexico. Mexican politicians and the public have historically been highly sensitive to U.S. involvement in the country.
The use of the drones was first reported by the New York Times, which said the Pentagon began sending high-altitude, unarmed drones deep into Mexico last month.
/
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Don’t be concerned about the creepage though.
It’s all legal…………as per obama and Holder.
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lol
Jay
February 7th, 2013
5:41 pm
“The man that can’t stand to live in the bright red state of Georgia…..
Been here almost a quarter century not, CC, and planning to stick around. Can’t beat this Southren hospitality.
James
February 7th, 2013
5:41 pm
The Defense Department and this left wing administration can come up with a thousand excuses why these people were killed, but none are legitimate. However, there are lots of left wing loonies, who will believe anything. If George W. Bush had been president when this happened, I wonder what Bookman would have to say. He would be on him every day! McCain has every right to be concerned and deserves answers!!
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
February 7th, 2013
5:41 pm
Pete,
I think Graham is having to play the hard-ass game because he’d coming up for re-election and will have a Tea Party Type yapping at his heels. I always thought he was more moderate than what he is showing now, so I bet he’s running scared.
TaxPayer
February 7th, 2013
5:43 pm
McCain just needs to go back on the road with Sarah. Maybe get the old band back together. What were they called. The Five Keatings. Or something like that.
Jay
February 7th, 2013
5:44 pm
“If George W. Bush had been president when this happened, I wonder what Bookman would have to say. He would be on him every day!”
James, a quick question or two if I may: Who was president on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, when more than 3,000 Americans died?
And when did I ever blame President Bush for that calamity?
Be sure to get back to me with answers, please.
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 7th, 2013
5:44 pm
C,mom people.
Give McCain a break.
The souless have MUCH in comman.
April 22, 2012————-
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Visiting Benghazi today, John McCain lauded Obama’s decision to deploy US drones over Libya. Notes CNN:
McCain defended the track record of predator drones in Pakistan and Afghanistan, arguing that their use has only resulted in civilian deaths when targets have been misidentified.
Let’s be sure to check back with the good people of Libya in a few weeks – and see if McCain might want to clarify his comments.
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lol
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
February 7th, 2013
5:44 pm
jewcowboy
February 7th, 2013
5:39 pm
Just getting back at him, last year for my 65th he sent me a toy shovel…
pogo
February 7th, 2013
5:44 pm
The LA shooter is a bigtime Obama supporter, loves gun control and just loves Michelles bangs.
fedup
February 7th, 2013
5:45 pm
td, you know that little hornet’s nest jr. started about 10years ago. We have to keep an eye on the area. Libya was not top priority. That is what DOD is telling us. Focus man focus.
Jay
February 7th, 2013
5:47 pm
Really, Pogo?
Show some class. Just a little.
JamVet
February 7th, 2013
5:49 pm
The Alabama man who killed that bus driver and terrorized that five year old was a government hater who listened to a lot of conservative talk radio, pogo.
So what is your point exactly?
clem
February 7th, 2013
5:50 pm
td, our great military advisor. sorta like paul broun who ought to check this out:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/07/human-jawbone-fossil-homo-erectus_n_2637700.html
josef
February 7th, 2013
5:50 pm
CORBIN
Remember when you turned 50 and got put on the AARP mailing list? That hurt.
комиссар (Occupation)
February 7th, 2013
5:51 pm
So the right-wingers have been given the go-ahead to go on the offensive on drones.
Now watch them move in formation.
clem
February 7th, 2013
5:51 pm
and anybody who picked palin has gotta be a fool
Patrick Edmondson
February 7th, 2013
5:51 pm
McCain is starting to believe those heart stirring movies where the old guy goes in and whips the young hooligans into shape, or blows them away. Only in movies and dreams. Unlike the movies,an armed response is not always just around the corner and the bad guys don’t jump out to die. We can not be, nor should we be, the world’s policeman.
Truth-o-meter
February 7th, 2013
5:55 pm
John McCain.
Reason # 93 (days since 2012 election) that Republicans won’t get my vote.
indigo
February 7th, 2013
5:55 pm
McCain is an incredibly sore loser and is determined to undermine, any way he can, the Presidency of Barak Obama.
That he would completely disrespect a 4 star general is only the latest in his bitter war on Obama. By making such a huge mountain out of this small Benghazi molehill, he shows nothing but comtempt for the best interests of the American people and has insured that the mindless cons will follow his toxic pied pipers tune.
Its definitly time for him to resign.
Soothsayer
February 7th, 2013
5:58 pm
“and anybody who picked palin has gotta be a fool”
What are you talking about? She was the best-looking candidate by far.
комиссар (Occupation)
February 7th, 2013
5:58 pm
indigo: “That he would completely disrespect a 4 star general is only the latest in his bitter war on Obama. ”
What makes you so sure this is about a vendetta by McCain against Obama? Couldn’t the motivation lies somewhere else?
indigo
February 7th, 2013
5:59 pm
Thomas Hewyard Jr.
Give it a rest, boy.
Nobody is paying much attention to your drivel.
The only thing you succeed in doing here is bothering intelligent people.
indigo
February 7th, 2013
6:00 pm
Occupation -”couldn’t the motivation lie somwhere else?
Such as?
jewcowboy
February 7th, 2013
6:00 pm
Replace “Diabeetus” with “Benghazi”, then squint and you can see McCain.
http://youtu.be/KICIOYlZTr8
vinny
February 7th, 2013
6:03 pm
The Obama administartion completely botched this one, and Jay launches after Republicans.
Typical bedwetting, liberal Alinsky tactic – Way to go Jay!
Common Sense isn't very Common
February 7th, 2013
6:04 pm
Jay
I wonder while some compare collateral damage from drones they don’t from fighters?
I just find it interesting.
комиссар (Occupation)
February 7th, 2013
6:06 pm
indigo: “Such as?”
Perhaps an effort at distracting from the bankruptcy of the neocon foreign policy project and an attempt to keep open a space in which one might imagine that there’s really a major gulf between the Democrats and Republicans generally in terms of policy. I don’t know.
I’m not saying it’s not possible McCain’s motivated by personal resentment directed towards Obama. I’m just saying I don’t necessarily find it to be the most plausible. McCain is impetuous, vain, and all the rest, but I’m not convinced he’s taken leave of his sense so fully as to be this reckless w/no real deeper ideological motive, not yet at least.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
February 7th, 2013
6:07 pm
Josef,
Yeah, I remember the AARP card, but what really got to me was when I received my Medicare card…
Scrivener
February 7th, 2013
6:08 pm
I notice you don’t make any mention of the fact that Obama was MIA during all this, as was brought out in the testimony today. You’re really predictable, Jay, at glossing over stuff that’s inconvenient to your politics.
Jay
February 7th, 2013
6:09 pm
I giggle every time I see the word “Alinsky” regurgitated.
Saul would be so proud.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
February 7th, 2013
6:12 pm
Sooth,
Nope… here is the best looking Vice President nominee ever…
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8zfmz1My11rsarqpo1_500.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/rupaul%2Bryan&h=750&w=500&sz=156&tbnid=L5-cRRW3PuWZiM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=60&zoom=1&usg=__jHz53_j7yhLuk6I36_gTi6xVo7k=&docid=xGcIUUlYwkdGKM&sa=X&ei=kzQUUcuQM-mP0QHao4CgBQ&ved=0CDUQ9QEwAQ&dur=65
saywhat?
February 7th, 2013
6:14 pm
Scrivener
February 7th, 2013
6:08 pm
I notice you don’t make any mention of the fact that Obama was MIA during all this, as was brought out in the testimony today. You’re really predictable, Jay, at glossing over stuff that’s inconvenient to your politics
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Of course he neglected to mention it, because if only Obama were at some specific yet un-named place at some mythical point in time , he could have personally willed military assets to be where they were needed when they were needed, breaking the laws of time and physics.
Oh wait, you are a republiconserviteatardibitarian of some sort, and probably don’t believe in the laws of physics, so I understand your confusion.
Moderate Line
February 7th, 2013
6:14 pm
A different view. I guess it depends on who you want to believe. I currently don’t have a reason to believe either one.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/02/07/penetta-dempsey-benghazi-analysis/1898301/
josef
February 7th, 2013
6:15 pm
CORBIN
@ 6:12
Panetta Blames Time, Distance and Lack of Warning for US Military Response to … – ABC News | Devise Hive
February 7th, 2013
6:16 pm
[...] No Specific Threats Before Benghazi AttackVoice of AmericaReuters -Huffington Post -Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog)all 252 news articles » [...]
CC
February 7th, 2013
6:16 pm
I’m sure that Air Force One could respond immediately to any request made by Obama, whether it be a vacation for his family and twenty or more friends in Mexico or a jaunt to Hawaii.
When Nancy Pelosi was the Speaker, you can bet that HER aircraft was always at the ready (and well-provisioned with booze and delicacies) to fly her and her friends to CA.
The ability was there to provide assistance to the Ambassador and the Navy SEALs, but it was NOT done.
This is nothing more than ‘cover’ for Obama, Clinton and the other dimocrat criminals.
Common Sense isn't very Common
February 7th, 2013
6:17 pm
josef
That’s because Corbin ain’t Normal
Old Boy
February 7th, 2013
6:17 pm
Nice jab at Senator McCain’s “respect for the uniform.” Aside from your disdain for all things Conservative, I don’t know much about you, Jay. I would be very interested in the background of someone who would indirectly question the patriotism of one who has given so much for his country as Senator McCain has. It seems like it would be as insane as a Rush Limbaugh-type nut questioning the late Senator Inouye’s patriotism.
Scrivener
February 7th, 2013
6:17 pm
saywhat, are you really as dense as your post would suggest? I guess you are. Just who do you think Panetta was getting orders from?
getalife
February 7th, 2013
6:17 pm
He went insane after torture.
Get him and graham out of foreign policy.
josef
February 7th, 2013
6:18 pm
CC
“The ability was there to provide assistance to the Ambassador and the Navy SEALs, but it was NOT done.”
Really? Fill us in….
F. Sinkwich
February 7th, 2013
6:18 pm
Thanks for busting the page, Corbin. Nice work.
getalife
February 7th, 2013
6:22 pm
filky,
RIP conservatism.
josef
February 7th, 2013
6:23 pm
COMMON
Thass a fact!
OLD BOY
“I don’t know much about you, Jay. I would be very interested in the background of someone who would indirectly question the patriotism of one who has given so much for his country as Senator McCain has.”
You might be surprised at the first part, and as for the second part. did he question the good Senator’s patriotism? Being a patriot doesn’t give anybody a free card…
Now, being a doddering old fool? Well, Big Daddy do have a tendency to give a free pass there.
getalife
February 7th, 2013
6:24 pm
President will not arm Syrian rebels.
josef
February 7th, 2013
6:26 pm
getalife
Are you following events in Tunisia?
CC
February 7th, 2013
6:26 pm
“Really? Fill us in….”
I won’t waste my time or yours. I’m no longer fall for the ploys of a master baiter.
Wilbur
February 7th, 2013
6:27 pm
Have you read the Obama adminstration’s definition of “imminent” when authorizing a drone strike? It means anything but what it seems to mean. The truth is that Obama has claimed the right to kill american citizens at will by drones.
If Bookman had a shred of intellectual honesty he would be outraged by the Obama position. If a republican took the same position that Obama has taken, I think poor Jay would just have his head explode and it would be over. But since it’s Obama, all of Bookman’s would be qualms are just laid aside. Why? Because Jay Bookman is a hypocrite. Plain and simple.
getalife
February 7th, 2013
6:28 pm
josef,
The assassination?
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
February 7th, 2013
6:28 pm
Busting the page???
комиссар (Occupation)
February 7th, 2013
6:28 pm
josef: “Are you following events in Tunisia?”
Since we’re not francophone, it’s as if it’s not even happening.
A brief glance here (http://www.lemonde.fr/) is sufficient to illustrate the vast difference in geographical awareness in English and French-speaking countries.
F. Sinkwich
February 7th, 2013
6:29 pm
“The increasingly angry, embittered John McCain”
Criticize O’Bozo = Angry, Embittered
Got it.
As Hillary asked, what does it matter? Other than the poor victim’s families, life goes on as it always has, especially for O’Bozo. MSM doesn’t care. Most of America doesn’t even remember it happened. And pundits like Jay may bring it up from time to time, but only to ridicule those who find such reprehensible neglect as something noteworthy.
Move on, nothing to see here….
In the middle
February 7th, 2013
6:29 pm
The left will always get a pass. Get used to it. Jay may not have blamed Bush for 911, but there were plenty on the left that not only blamed Bush, but claimed he actually orchestrated the attack. Don’t forget hurricane Katrina, not only was Bush blamed for the hurricane itself (because of global warming) he was additionally accused of blowing up the levies to purposely get rid of everybody in the 9th ward.
josef
February 7th, 2013
6:29 pm
CC
I was serious. I’m interested in hearing what folks think could/should have been done in real time and place…
Those silly, fun-loving offspring of the 47% are at it again...
February 7th, 2013
6:29 pm
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/proviso-west-high-school-cafeteria-fight-190124211.html
Scrivener
February 7th, 2013
6:30 pm
Just wow. I actually watched the video. I very sincerely hope everyone watches it, and then they will realize once and for all how dishonest Jay is. There is absolutely nothing “angry” or “embittered” about this. McCain is a hundred percent right in his questioning and is very calm and not at all disrespectful.
indigo
February 7th, 2013
6:30 pm
Occupation – 6:06
You could be right.
McCains actions have a level of the bizarre and make any rational analysis difficult, to say the least.
getalife
February 7th, 2013
6:32 pm
Old, bitter sore losers, crazy and unhinged is representing his base of cons.
WrteStufLA
February 7th, 2013
6:32 pm
So much for that one-time principled warrior, turned bloated, blotchy, bitter old man … The Formerly Honorable John McCain.
комиссар (Occupation)
February 7th, 2013
6:35 pm
Wilbur: ” If Bookman had a shred of intellectual honesty he would be outraged by the Obama position. If a republican took the same position that Obama has taken, I think poor Jay would just have his head explode and it would be over. But since it’s Obama, all of Bookman’s would be qualms are just laid aside. Why? Because Jay Bookman is a hypocrite. Plain and simple.”
But you see, while all that may be true, you yourself are guilty of the very same charge you’re leveling. You don’t expect us to believe for one second that you yourself would criticize Bush/Cheney, or for that matter will criticize a Marco Rubio or similar, were such a figure to be in Obama’s position, do you?
By the way, here’s a chance for you to show for us that you yourself are intellectually honest. Here’s some neocon love for Obama’s drone policy: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/john-bolton-praises-obamas-drone-program-as-sensible-and-consistent-extension-of-bush-era-policies/.
Have at it.
Moderate Line
February 7th, 2013
6:38 pm
Dempsey’s testimony was “one of the more bizarre statements I have ever seen” and “simply false”. In other words, the general was lying under oath to a congressional committee.
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Here are my thoughts so far. Dempsey in Army General. How much does he know about Air Force capabilities? I have no idea. Also, Panetta was also in the Army. I would bet both of them are merely passing on information they were briefed on. Not necessarily lying. The defense of Susan Rice was she was just passing on information which I believe is true. Now, I am suppose to take these two guys as gospel.
I believe most of these hearings are for show. Nothing will be accomplished. Both sides will make in to what they want.
Jackie
February 7th, 2013
6:38 pm
Sen. John McCain(R-AZ) has issues, yet, the citizens of AZ keep electing him and Gov. Brewer(R-AZ) and Sheriff Joe Apiao.
Even had a sheriff of a county in AZ that said he would not enforce any laws concerning gun control measures that Pres. Obama had to sign by executive order because, in his opinion, they were not Constitutional.
He believes that all laws and actions have to be passed by the Legislative body of our government and the President, since he is anti-gun and a Muslim, is not acting in the best interest of the country.
Moderate Line
February 7th, 2013
6:39 pm
Scrivener
February 7th, 2013
6:30 pm
Just wow. I actually watched the video. I very sincerely hope everyone watches it, and then they will realize once and for all how dishonest Jay is. There is absolutely nothing “angry” or “embittered” about this. McCain is a hundred percent right in his questioning and is very calm and not at all disrespectful.
++++
I thought the same thing.
Latrina
February 7th, 2013
6:40 pm
Hey at least McCain didn’t say “my friends” at the end of every other breath, a la 2008. I decided right then the guy must be a little senile.
Soothsayer
February 7th, 2013
6:41 pm
Are you really trying to tell me that SHE wasn’t the right choice for Vice President?
Get out of town!
Cherokee
February 7th, 2013
6:42 pm
Hmmm I notice James slunk (slinked?) away pretty quickly, there….
Jackie
February 7th, 2013
6:42 pm
@Moderate
Have you ever considered that a 4-star general, regardless of his branch of service, has a top secret crypto security clearance and has spent considerable time at the War College in Carlisle Barracks, Pa.
What informational ability is he lacking?
Old Boy
February 7th, 2013
6:42 pm
Josef – Directly, he did not. However, by sarcastically commenting on his lack of respect for the uniform, I felt it was implied. Similar to how my academic friend who had just finished his 10 years in school questioned me on my lack of love for my country when I returned from my second combat tour and got to meet my 18 month old son, I don’t know if he had earned that right. Maybe Jay has. Maybe you have as well. Hats off to the two of you, because I sure as heck haven’t, nor have many of the soldiers with whom I served.
F. Sinkwich
February 7th, 2013
6:43 pm
“I’m interested in hearing what folks think could/should have been done in real time and place…’
Assuming you’re serious, I’ll take a stab at it.
9/11 is the terrorist’s Fourth of July. Months prior to that date O’Bozo should have directed our forces to assess vulnerabilities then develop action plans to address them.
O’Bozo didn’t. Sux for the victims. But no one cares, soooo….
Move on.
Cherokee
February 7th, 2013
6:44 pm
Have to admit I’d probably be bitter too, knowing that the reason I lost the election was my own doing – that is, the selection of Bible Spice of the Tundra for my running mate….
Who really cares who I am, anyway?
February 7th, 2013
6:45 pm
Sinkwich-
You seriously missed HRC’s point:
Point being-it truly DOESN’T matter what precipitated it…what DOES matter is what to do to PREVENT it from happening again.
Her point-it doesn’t truly matter what the reasons were-the outcome was the same. 4 dead Americans. The IMPORTANT issue is how to make sure this never happens again..which really, is an impossible task….
getalife
February 7th, 2013
6:45 pm
It is very obvious President Obama drove the gop insane.
saywhat?
February 7th, 2013
6:48 pm
Scrivener
February 7th, 2013
6:30 pm
“Just wow. I actually watched the video………”
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Just wow, and only 1 hour and 25 minutes after it was posted, not to mention after making a number of posts already. A thinking person would actually watch the video first, and THEN post a comment.
But then again, you are some variation of a Republiconservateatardibitarian, and not expected to put much effort into thinking. http://psp.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/03/16/0146167212439213.abstract
As to your 6:17, please kindly explain what difference “who do you think Panetta was getting orders from?” would have made as to where military assets were located at the time of the Benghazi attacks.
Jackie
February 7th, 2013
6:49 pm
@Sinkwich
Did you see news reports including those of last week that stated the US House, led by the Repubs, voted not to allocate money requested by the State Department for security?
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/documents-back-up-claims-of-requests-for-greater-security-in-benghazi/
Did you read where the Repubs refused to release more than $60 Billion dollars hung up in Iraq and requested by the State Department to help in their efforts to supply more security for embassies.
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/01/23/1487451/leahy-slams-republicans-embassy-funding/?mobile=nc
Jimiz_1
February 7th, 2013
6:49 pm
Enter your comments here
josef
February 7th, 2013
6:49 pm
getalife\
Yes, and the reaction…
комиссар
Je ne suis pas si sûr que les anglophones sont ignorants ou désintéressé. Dans mon expérience, les francophones ne sont pas moins ni plus “aware” que les anglophones. Dans les deux cas, nous sommes limités par notre arrogance linguistique à une vue de ces parties du monde qui partagent notre vision du monde basée dans notre langue avec la mise au point geograpic
qui accompagne…
guy
February 7th, 2013
6:49 pm
The winners are telling jokes and the losers are saying deal the cards. The sun doesn’t shine on either party’s ass forever. Pride cometh before the fall! It always has!
Soothsayer
February 7th, 2013
6:50 pm
OK, we both got punk’d. That post @ 6:41 was photoshopped. Here’s the original.
Your truth-in-reporting reporter, Sooth.
Jay
February 7th, 2013
6:50 pm
Respectful, Scrivener?
He’s lecturing the chairman of the Joint Chiefs on the fact that there’s a base in Cyprus, as if this was news to the general? He calls his testimony some of the most bizarre he has ever seen, and basically accuses the four-star of lying under oath about what happened and why. He tells Dempsey he failed in his duty to “take into account the threats to that consulate, and that’s why four Americans died.”
And this is respectful in your book?
It would all be a bit more understandable and justifiable if McCain had offered any facts to contradict the general’s statement. If you’re going to accuse a member of the U.S. military of leaving fellow Americans to die when they could have been saved, you do have an obligation to substantiate that serious charge, do you not? McCain did not even try. Instead, he just didn’t want to believe the general’s testimony and in a fit of petulance he decided he wouldn’t.
I wonder: What would disrespectful sound like?
TaxPayer
February 7th, 2013
6:51 pm
Jackie at 6:49,
Sinkwich would be wise to plead the fifth.
Jackie
February 7th, 2013
6:53 pm
@TaxPayer
He would never take that path!
josef
February 7th, 2013
6:56 pm
OLD GUY
Jay’s a military brat and a Daddy’s boy if ever there was…just saying…he’s dine his Papa proud and vice-versa…
F. Sinkwich
February 7th, 2013
6:57 pm
Yep, Jackie, there ya go. The State Department had no money. Kinda sux.
Oh wait. Did we have Marines in Paris? London? Zurich? Fort Dix or wherever?
I guess we can’t reallocate assets anywhere once they’re deployed, can we?
Doesn’t matter though. No one cares.
Move on, sweetie.
In the middle
February 7th, 2013
6:58 pm
josef – I will try to answer your question and give my thoughts. Based on the threat assessments being provided to the State Department prior to 911 it was pretty clear that the we could not defend the embassy with what they had, so the first thing to do would to have responded to the request for increased security, maybe increased the military presence in the compound. I know that the host country is supposed to provide security, but this is Libya. If we can’t recognize the difference in capabilty between Libya and say Germany or the UK than we have the wrong people in intelligence. Second, the excuse that it we couldn’t get an F16 over in 6 hours because it takes time to get it ready is complete GARBAGE. I guarantee that if you try to fly a plane into restricted airspace over DC you will find a fully loaded F16 on your tail with missiles hot in a matter of minutes. So to say that we could not gt any air support over to that area is complete nonesense..
Of course doing nothing has become the accepted response.
josef
February 7th, 2013
6:59 pm
ooops… he’s DONE his Papa proud…from what I understand he’s probably DINEd his Papa proud, too…
Jackie
February 7th, 2013
6:59 pm
@Sinckwich
Just to let you know again, I ain’t no sweetie!
Secondly, your trying to deny the obvious just makes the point where facts get in the way of bumper-sticker slogans.
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
7:00 pm
“it was pretty clear that the we could not defend the embassy”
First mistake: it wasn’t an embassy. It was a consulate. It was not in a restricted area, it was not even protected by walls. It was just an office. Totally different from an embassy and you need to understand that to understand the situation.
Scrivener
February 7th, 2013
7:01 pm
Saywhat, your density continues. Does someone have to spell this out for you? Really? Obama is the commander in chief and in dire situations such as Benghazi is supposed to lead, consult, be available, et cetera, et cetera. And I read Jay’s column and assumed he was telling the truth about the video. Then I decided to look at it. I won’t make the mistake of trusting anything he says again. And the name calling says more about you than you can imagine.
TaxPayer
February 7th, 2013
7:02 pm
That’s just like McCain to stink up the place and then point the finger at everyone else.
josef
February 7th, 2013
7:02 pm
in the middle…
Not at all trying to quibble here…BUT the question was real time and place…hindsight is always 20/20. Secondly, and what would that F16 have been able to do to save the lives of those inside the consulate…
Jackie
February 7th, 2013
7:02 pm
What a lot of folks are failing to understand is Benghazi was a consulate, more than 600 miles east of our embassy in Tripoli.
If you had no money to station a ready-deployment force in a neutral country and our forces in Italy had to try and hitch a ride on a commercial flight, how does that make them capable and effective?
saywhat?
February 7th, 2013
7:03 pm
@6:58- Riiiight. Because East Bumf@#K Libya is right next door to our nation’s capital, and worthy of a massive amount of our national defense resources….
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl
In the middle
February 7th, 2013
7:03 pm
Okay, so thats the excuse. Semantics.
josef
February 7th, 2013
7:05 pm
in the middle
Was that “semantics” comment to me?
Scrivener
February 7th, 2013
7:06 pm
So, Jay, according to you, just because someone is a general means they’re not subject to being grilled by Congress over their military decisions and failures, especially when they’re talking out of both sides of their mouth like this guy was? McCain didn’t need to provide an explanation of why he said his statements were bizarre because it was painfully obvious to everyone there how bizarre they are. No, I don’t think it’s disrespectful at all. In fact, I think most of these people are getting away with gross incompetence.
getalife
February 7th, 2013
7:06 pm
“Strike called over Tunisia killing:
Unions call for general strike over opposition leader’s murder as ruling party rejects PM’s move to dissolve government.”
We could use a choice to dissolve congress.
In the middle
February 7th, 2013
7:06 pm
If you know what is coming you can prepare. If you ignore what is coming you get caught with your pants down..Do you really believe we had absolutely no idea that there was any possibilty of anything happening in the region on 911.
pb
February 7th, 2013
7:06 pm
John McCain needs to retire to one of his many homes. Been in the Senate way too long. Just like the “turtle man”, Mitch McConnell. Think the Republicans can, and have to, do better than this.
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
7:06 pm
“Okay, so thats the excuse. Semantics”
Nope, it’s not just semantics. The difference can have enormous consequences in the real world. That you stoop to labeling it “semantics” shows just how little you truly understand the situation you THINK you are qualified to criticise.
In the middle
February 7th, 2013
7:07 pm
josef, no it wasn’t.
atlnative
February 7th, 2013
7:07 pm
Sen.McCain’s blood pressure readings are probably over the charts. He’s constantly angry and bitter about defense spending cuts,America’s foreign policy,and people in his own political party. McCain wants war with Iran and most of the middle east.
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
7:08 pm
“Do you really believe we had absolutely no idea that there was any possibilty of anything happening in the region on 911.”
Wrong question. “the region” is ENORMOUS. The question is: did we have any idea that anything would happen in that place?
Jimiz_1
February 7th, 2013
7:08 pm
Why is this still in the news? Who cares what you think about McCain. I mean yea he is old many of the senators are well past their prime political time. Just because you don’t agree with him doesn’t make it ok to disrespect senoir citizens. I thought you dims cared so much more then republicans do for the elderly. Why are you people picking on them now i guess you elitist don’t really practice empathy to often.
I hope all you class acts get old get cancer, Parkinson, Alzheimers disease , Lou Gehrigs, and anal leakage when you rotten people get old like McCain. Serves you fruit baskets right.
That includes you Jackie the wacky liberal. Your links are trash nothing more then half of the story and the rest is made up jeez stop with the liberal looney links. Drugs are bad you should get some help for your addiction to that crazy medicine you are taking. If you want to post bs about others and expect someone to give a sh-t go to the most bias media in the country its called the Huffington post. They will love you there. lol
In the middle
February 7th, 2013
7:09 pm
josef, I cant say if an F16 would have made any difference, it can scare the heck out of you though. It could have stayed in a guard pattern overhead and possibly given time to execute an evacuation.
In the middle
February 7th, 2013
7:10 pm
Granted all of this hindsight is just speculation, but given the warnings and instability in the area I am surprised that we weren’t prepared for anything.
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
7:11 pm
“josef, I cant say if an F16 would have made any difference, it can scare the heck out of you though”
If you can get it there in time to do that. It wasn’t possible at that time, to that place. Like McCain you appear to refuse to believe FACTS, in favor of you erroneous belief in the infalibility of our Armed Forces. But even they cannot do the impossible.
In the middle
February 7th, 2013
7:11 pm
Doggone/GA – yes we did have warnings for Benghazi..
mbtc
February 7th, 2013
7:12 pm
I admit to being wrong about the Benghazi obsession of the right, thinking it would be dropped like a hot skillet once the election had passed. Just another way for the right to gum up the works and slow-walk getting any actual help out to the country, I guess. Shouldn’t they be working on the sequester?
DownInAlbany
February 7th, 2013
7:12 pm
Jay, you claim to be balanced. Your writings betray that claim. Instead of wanting answers, you attack the questioner. Sure it was political theater, but, we damn well can’t depend on the dems to ask any questions, much less tough ones. It does not matter to this crowd that the President and the SOS were totally disengaged during the attack, but, got photo-ops in the situation room when OBL was killed. Opportunists, all.
josef
February 7th, 2013
7:12 pm
In THE MIDDLE
Thanks for that clarification. For the record, I’m just interested in the responses to that question. I have my own thoughts and opinions, but no real judgments…
JamVet
February 7th, 2013
7:12 pm
“It is very obvious President Obama drove the gop insane.”
I think there is some truth to this. They seem compelled to have a self-imposed political death sentence.
It must be shocking for the rank and file Republican to see what has transpired in the past 13 years. GWB was (s)elected POTUS, was riding high on that trickle down pony and it looked like the salad days were at hand for the GOP. Neoconservatism looked poised to make a long run in American politics.
But alas…
In no time flat they proved themselves completely incapable of effective, ethical governance, at home and abroad, and lost the trust and even respect of hundreds of millions of Americans.
And even the 1973 Nixon days must look great in comparison to where they are now.
Even more shockingly, I think their darkest days are still ahead of them as 2014 and 2016 portend to be two more electoral beatdowns for the now reeling GOP..
saywhat?
February 7th, 2013
7:13 pm
Scivener- ” Does someone have to spell this out for you? Really? Obama is the commander in chief and in dire situations such as Benghazi is supposed to lead, consult, be available, et cetera, et cetera.”
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And once again, please kindly explain how this would have made military intervention possible at Benghazi, or changed the outcome in any way. The fact is you CAN’T explain this, because Obama’s presence in a situation room would have made ZERO difference in the outcome. Unfortunately, you can’t even admit such a simple fact as this because of your irrational hatred of the President. That speaks volumes more about YOU than any lighthearted jabs at republicans says about me.
On the other hand, maybe Obama was busy finishing a reading of My Pet Goat and couldn’t be bothered to put it down. If only he had, he could have ordered a special forces team and full armored division to miraculously appear in Benghazi 10 minutes before the attack.
DownInAlbany
February 7th, 2013
7:14 pm
pb
February 7th, 2013
7:06 pm
John McCain needs to retire to one of his many homes. Been in the Senate way too long. Just like the “turtle man”, Mitch McConnell. Think the Republicans can, and have to, do better than this.
We’ll trade ya’ll McCain and McConnell for Pelosi and Reid…
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
7:14 pm
“Granted all of this hindsight is just speculation, but given the warnings and instability in the area I am surprised that we weren’t prepared for anything”
Prepared how? There’s only so much you can “parepare” for when you don’t have forward bases EVERYWHERE in the region…as we do NOT. A jet can only fly as fast as it can fly. If the closest bases is hours of jet flying time away, there’s nothing you can do to change that.
In the middle
February 7th, 2013
7:14 pm
So how much time do you think it would have taken F16’s to get overhead. I have seen how fast we can turn around an F16. It aint 6 hours
Jackie
February 7th, 2013
7:15 pm
An F-16 that has to use all that fuel flying at supersonic would require an inflight reflueing in order to get to Bengazi.
Secondly, the loiter time for that plan would be minimal because the stall speed is 180 knots per hour.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_stall_speed_of_an_f-16_fighting_falcon
Oscar
February 7th, 2013
7:16 pm
Don’t know what McCain wants to do except colain about what other people in charge have already done. Time to go out to pasture. Except not much pasture in Northern Arizonia. Mostly dirt, shrubs and rattlenakes. No wonder he stays in Washington. Time to go. Desert or not.
комиссар (Occupation)
February 7th, 2013
7:16 pm
Well josef, you’ve outdone me. I’m going to speak in my safe, native English and say that, yes, I certainly agree that the French are not per se better informed, more intelligent, aware, etc. than Anglophones. In this case, there are very specific ideological and geopolitical reasons for a greater interest in France in what’s going on in N Africa, particularly in its former colonies, right now, much of which has to do with the fact that its military just went into Mali.
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
7:16 pm
“Doggone/GA – yes we did have warnings for Benghazi..”
How far in advance? How serious? Where ELSE did we have warning for? What steps could have been taken to protect ALL places that had threats against them? Where could we have staged forces and equipment that was closer?
josef
February 7th, 2013
7:18 pm
getaife
Fingers crossed, but it looks like the moderates and secularists, if they can play this out in massive demonstration, will be able to rally the country and force the government to take strong and decisive action against the Salafist element…which, if successful, will strengthen the pluralistic, democratic nature of the Tunisian experiment…
F. Sinkwich
February 7th, 2013
7:18 pm
“Wrong question. “the region” is ENORMOUS. The question is: did we have any idea that anything would happen in that place?”
Wow, you’re right. Who in their right mind would ever think something bad could happen in Libya?
Jay
February 7th, 2013
7:19 pm
Middle, go read the timeline: The initial attack, the assault that took Stevens’ life, took about an hour and 15 minutes in total, and ended. Then nothing happened for some six hours. The second assault, on the CIA annex, took roughly 15 minutes.
Intervening into that kind of thing from a long distance is simply impractical.
DownInAlbany
February 7th, 2013
7:19 pm
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
7:16 pm
“Doggone/GA – yes we did have warnings for Benghazi..”
How far in advance? How serious? Where ELSE did we have warning for? What steps could have been taken to protect ALL places that had threats against them? Where could we have staged forces and equipment that was closer?
Don’t know, but, if SOS Clinton or someone in the State department knew how to read faxes…
TaxPayer
February 7th, 2013
7:20 pm
With all these armchaired con generals here telling us what shoulda, woulda, coulda been done under their morally superior leadership, it’s truly a wonder we don’t already rule the world.
josef
February 7th, 2013
7:21 pm
комиссар
I would agree with that summation. One of the places that Obama has gained a certain respect from me is that he recognizes the rationality of “spheres of influence” in dealing with terrorism and is willing to step back, let others lead, and work cooperatively with them…
In the middle
February 7th, 2013
7:21 pm
Doggone/GA. You are right, it is difficult to prepare for any possible eventuality or every possible circumstance (hence my hindsight speculation comment). In this case we didn’t seem to be ready for anything.
Jimiz_1
February 7th, 2013
7:22 pm
Jackie really wtf. You used the bumpersticker comment yesterday on another thread. And for your information there was a base and a carrier near enough that they could have stopped the attack. The fake president we have was watching it all from a drone in real time.
Just like most of his decisions he failed. But this time it cost American lives. He does nothing and the terrorist move on to the next target. How many Americans will die next time? Before we make him stand up for us.
saywhat?
February 7th, 2013
7:22 pm
mbtc
February 7th, 2013
7:12 pm
I admit to being wrong about the Benghazi obsession of the right, thinking it would be dropped like a hot skillet once the election had passed. Just another way for the right to gum up the works and slow-walk getting any actual help out to the country, I guess. Shouldn’t they be working on the sequester?
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Don’t beat yourself up about it. Perhaps you haven’t read the research which shows that the more conclusively conservative pet theories are proved false, the more deeply they will believe them and tenaciously they cling to them.
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
7:23 pm
“Don’t know”
That’s obvious. And it doesn’t matter WHO reads the reports, if the forces are not in a place that can be deployed quickly enough…then there’s nothing that can be done. As Jay said, read the timeline.
In the middle
February 7th, 2013
7:24 pm
Look, I am not saying I am an expert and probably a little more emotional than I should be considering the way the “assault to Stevens life”.
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
7:25 pm
“In this case we didn’t seem to be ready for anything.”
That’s totally irrational. In such a huge area, there’s no possiblity of being “ready for anything” everyWHERE.
Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
7:25 pm
Dempsey dumpster and Pantynetta were both terrible and have American blood on their hands.
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
7:26 pm
“And for your information there was a base and a carrier near enough that they could have stopped the attack”
Where were they?
Jackie
February 7th, 2013
7:26 pm
@jimiz_1
You came from under your rock?
Question for you; you stated that you were a Native American and that you have never had any problems because of your skin color?
Please tell me the tribe you belong to and what region you grew up?
Secondly, the Joint-Chief-of-Staff indicated that they had no carrier force in the region and our nearest ready reply force was in Italy, who did not have available to them their own transportation.
Where did you get your bumper sticker?
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Jackie
February 7th, 2013
7:27 pm
@Recon
SALUTE!
It appears that you should look for the blood-stained hands in the US House of Representatives.
Seriously Folks
February 7th, 2013
7:28 pm
@CC’s post earlier..
I am SO with you about how we should have known. Now if ONLY our President and the State Department had looked at ALL of our embassies across the world…done up to date assessments on the needs of those embassies as far as security risks and deficiencies…then had the courage to ask the House of Representatives for appropriate funding for those security measures…but no, he completely failed on that…….oh……wait….THATS RIGHT….President Obama did EXACTLY that… So, naturally, given that securing our brave men and women abroad and in harms way is in no way something to be politically viewed, they did fund those improvements, but President Obama neglected to protect…..oh…..wait….THATS RIGHT….The House of Representatives voted to CUT funding for security improvements and details for foreign embassies….
And you have the nerve to post on here that essentially the President has blood on his hands?? tsk tsk
DownInAlbany
February 7th, 2013
7:28 pm
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
7:23 pm
“Don’t know”
That’s obvious. And it doesn’t matter WHO reads the reports, if the forces are not in a place that can be deployed quickly enough…then there’s nothing that can be done. As Jay said, read the timeline.
You miss the point (intentionally, I believe). If the SOS had heeded the numerous requests for reinforcements we might not be having these hearings or this conversation.
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
7:29 pm
“Look, I am not saying I am an expert and probably a little more emotional than I should be considering the way the “assault to Stevens life”.”
Stevens was experienced in the area, he knew how volatile it can be. He CHOSE to be there. It was, literally, his bad luck that he was there when the attack took place. If you want an idea of how the area felt about it…check out the pictures of locals demonstrating for JUSTICE FOR STEVENS. This was no different from any other fairly small scale attack that could have happened anywhere in that huge area. It just happened to occur where an American diplomat also chose to be.
DownInAlbany
February 7th, 2013
7:30 pm
The House of Representatives voted to CUT funding for security improvements and details for foreign embassies….
link?
M
February 7th, 2013
7:30 pm
These people don’t want answers. They just want to scream questions until 51% of the voters think there was a scandal. Answers are summarily ignored if they contradict the narrative.
josef
February 7th, 2013
7:30 pm
And here comes the ever butch acting wa-do in all his glory’…
Jackie
February 7th, 2013
7:31 pm
If one reads the reports that came out, the SOS was received and the rapid-reaction force in Italy DID NOT HAVE TRANSPORTATION AND THEY WERE FORCED TO TRY TO GET COMMERCIAL FLIGHTS TO LIBYA!!!!!
Jay
February 7th, 2013
7:31 pm
The contrast between our handling of the aftermath of 9/11 and this is quite compelling. Did we have Senate hearings a few months after 9/11 in which senators demanded to know who to blame? Who lost their jobs in that disaster? “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US?”
The posturing is incredibly cynical.
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
7:31 pm
“Now if ONLY our President and the State Department had looked at ALL of our embassies across the world”
It was NOT AN EMBASSY. It was a consulate. Not at ALL the same thing.
saywhat?
February 7th, 2013
7:32 pm
Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
7:25 pm
Dempsey dumpster and Pantynetta were both terrible and have American blood on their hands
—————————————————————Brilliant! Why can’t we ALL just ignore facts and pull unfounded conclusions from our azzes like you? Because now I’m SURELY convinced you’re right!
TaxPayer
February 7th, 2013
7:32 pm
Clearly if Reagan had gotten it right and asked for STAR TREK technology instead of Star Wars technology back in the day, we would have had the transporter beam available to save those poor souls in Benghazi.
Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
7:32 pm
The most disgusting part was when asked about Obama and the state departments follow ups for updated status reports on what was going on they had to admit under oath that there were no follow ups. An impeachable condition in my opinion.
Jackie
February 7th, 2013
7:34 pm
@DownInAlbany
See my 6:49 post that have both links to your question.
Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
7:35 pm
Jackie,
Salute to you as well…how does the House factor in?
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
7:35 pm
“You miss the point (intentionally, I believe). If the SOS had heeded the numerous requests for reinforcements we might not be having these hearings or this conversation”
And maybe YOU are overlooking that it’s not possible to fortify each and every consulate we have in a relatively volatile area. You are maybe forgetting, or don’t know, that Stevens CHOSE TO BE THERE. If he hadn’t been there, and subsequently died, there would never have been this “outcry”. It just would have been another attack on another American facility.
I find the outrage over Steven’s death – as bad as that was – to be hypocritical in the face of 4000 America soldiers deaths. And THEY did not have a choice, they were ORDERED to be where they died.
jim
February 7th, 2013
7:37 pm
no jay, it would be nice if the democrats knew how to do anything competently wish hillary had been the one torched and shot!
TaxPayer
February 7th, 2013
7:38 pm
Wow! I haven’t seen the cons so stirred up about protecting human lives, no matter the cost or sacrifice, since, well, since Sandy Hook.
Jackie
February 7th, 2013
7:38 pm
@Recon
See my 6:49 post and understand how disgusting this whole matter played itself out.
The person that headed that committee was Rep. Issa(R-CA).
Disgusting individual.
Brosephus™
February 7th, 2013
7:38 pm
I wonder if any of the Benghazists even have a clue as to the number of Embassies, Consulates, and other offices we have around the world. I haven’t found a list, but this one site gives you a glimpse into the number we have.
The U.S. currently has 294 physical embassies, consulates, and diplomatic missions across the world, with 27 in the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region, which is more than any other nation.
http://www.policymic.com/articles/14763/there-are-294-us-embassies-and-consulates-around-the-world-we-may-not-need-all-of-them
If we’re supposed to go on alert on 9/11, as has been suggested, how in the world do we protect almost 300 compounds/buildings in countries all around the world without pissing off the host nation because of our militarization of their country?
People should be embarassed for themselves at the crap going on. I agree with Clinton now in what good does it do to assign blame? One minute, you can’t blame Bush for the effed up economy, and the next minute you can blame Obama for an attack in a foreign country that he was unable to personally stop.
I’m beginning to believe that the flouride they put in our water is actually f**king with the collective psyche of this entire country.
Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
7:39 pm
Actually if you listened to the first hearing, Lamb under questioning stated that there was no budgetary issues preventing the implementation of additional security.
JamVet
February 7th, 2013
7:40 pm
This right wing mania to get Obama at all costs knows no bounds. Certainly not in terms of rationality or basic human decency.
And the great irony, of course, is that it is an incredibly effective tool in the ongoing and growing distrust of the Republican party…
Seriously Folks
February 7th, 2013
7:42 pm
@DowninAlbany..
Here is one..tried to get a “neutral” one, since I am sure it will be viewed as “too liberal” by some…but if you google, “house cutting embassy funding” you get over 9 million hits….
enjoy. http://thehill.com/video/house/261153–rep-chaffetz-white-house-claiming-ignorance-on-warning-about-libya-attack-is-totally-not-true
(fyi..this a Republican Congressman speaking…)
And embassy/consulate are offices of the State Department…levels of staffing differ, yes…but they essentially a Consulate is like a “junior embassy”…and remember, we just “normalized” relations with Libya a few years ago, so had no embassy. (anyone in class remember WHY we took Libya off the “axis of evil” list, and WHO did that??…and then care to guess why that may have irked a few Libyans???)
Jackie
February 7th, 2013
7:42 pm
Ambassador Stevens had more than 20 years experience in Libya and knew Khadfy and most of the leaders of the rebel groups very well.
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
7:42 pm
“I’m beginning to believe that the flouride they put in our water is actually f**king with the collective psyche of this entire country”
Nah, not the ENTIRE country…just the susceptible 30% +/- !
Rightwing troll
February 7th, 2013
7:43 pm
McCrank you mean…
Funny how he went from having an illegitimate black daughter in 2000 to the cranky old guys party darling this year…
getalife
February 7th, 2013
7:43 pm
The majority should request the resignations of mccain and graham to join lieberman and retire.
Brosephus™
February 7th, 2013
7:43 pm
Doggone
I think it’s more than 30% though.
If Obama had a sister
February 7th, 2013
7:45 pm
For the third time in three years, school officials in DeKalb County are set to name a schools chief to oversee the third largest student population in Georgia….
While the school board was in another of a string of private sessions to discuss “legal and personnel matters” Thursday afternoon, officials advertised a public meeting for Friday afternoon. The purpose: to vote on a separation agreement with Superintendent Cheryl Atkinson and to approve the employment agreement of an interim superintendent…
…Atkinson, 54, has been earning $275,000 a year since starting in September 2011. She’s also gotten insurance and retirement benefits, home Internet access and a $2,600 monthly allowance for expenses. She was hired by the school board under a mandate from SACS. The agency wanted the system to replace its interim superintendent with a permanent leader…
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/breaking-news/dekalb-school-board-schedules-friday-meeting-to-re/nWJTp/#cmComments
Serious Robuck
February 7th, 2013
7:45 pm
No matter how many houses he owns…no matter that he has a rich, beautiful and inexplicably loyal wife, McCain is a bonafide, certified loser. He reminds all of us of that fact every time he opens his pathetic mouth. He’s still defending his indefensible choice of Sarah Palin. He wants everybody to kiss his ring.
I hope I live long enough to see him retired from the Senate, voluntarily or otherwise, but I suspect he’ll go like Thurmond and Byrd.
F. Sinkwich
February 7th, 2013
7:46 pm
“The contrast between our handling of the aftermath of 9/11 and this is quite compelling. Did we have Senate hearings a few months after 9/11 in which senators demanded to know who to blame? Who lost their jobs in that disaster? “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US?””
Uh, yeah they did, Jay. Remember that jerk-off Clarke? That num-nuts did the apology thing that lib ilks swoon at.
Who did that for Libya?
Doesn’t matter. No one cares…
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
7:46 pm
“I think it’s more than 30% though”
I wouldn’t argue…I was trying to be generous!
oldfart
February 7th, 2013
7:48 pm
Stay off of my lawn!
Uh Huh....Were we attacked on 9/11? What did John McCain Do?
February 7th, 2013
7:49 pm
JOHN MCCAIN IS A HYPOCRITE
We Don’t Owe the American People and the Families of the Murdered
Americans on 9/11 a Full and Complete Explanation
Here’s what JOHN MCCAIN said on the Senate floor about Democratic concerns about CONDI RICE becoming secretary of state after the Bush administration, which included RICE, LIED to the American people and Congress about WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION in Iraq, costing us the lives of America service members and trillions of dollars, NOT TO MENTION THAT LITTLE 9/11 THING:
“So I wonder why we are starting this new Congress with a protracted debate about a foregone conclusion… I can only conclude that we are doing this for no other reason than because of lingering bitterness over the outcome of the election.’”
I’m not noticing a lot of concern BY JOHN MCCAIN about what we owe the American people and the families of murdered Americans.
Then there was John McCain’s comments to CNN around the same time. Again, no mention of what we owe the families of murdered Americans on 9/11:
MCCAIN: “Condoleezza Rice is a great American success story. This is what America is all about. A young woman who grew up in a segregated part of America where Americans were not treated equally, to rise to the position of secretary of state. We should have been celebrating, I believe, this remarkable American success story. Also, I thought that some of the remarks — and I’m not going to mention my colleagues’ names — some of the remarks aimed at her during the hearings challenged her integrity. We can disagree on policy and we disagree on a lot of things, but I think it is very clear that Condoleezza Rice is a person of integrity. And yes, I see this, some lingering bitterness over a very tough campaign. I hope it dissipates soon.”
JOHN MCCAIN………WHAT A HYPOCRITE
Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
7:50 pm
The left will sure protect its own even at the expense of good Americans serving our nation along with the Nation itself. Sad times in America but we’ll get through it as the far-left is among the least of challenges this great republic has faced over the course of our history.
Jimiz_1
February 7th, 2013
7:50 pm
I did crawl out just for you. The reports i heard was there was time if they would have sent them when they were requested. I refuse to believe we could not have done nothing. In fact they report said they could have had fighter jets there in minutes and it said we already had a drone there.
I am Creek i was born in Georgia my Grandfather on my moms side and father are full blooded. I was taught many things by our elders. Mostly about honor and spirit the real history of my ancestors. The rest i learned in public schools which in comparison wasn’t much. I understand why most Native Americans home school. I just see things different then you and most the immigrants that are currently here. When you can seperate yourself from the picture you can step back and see whats really going on. Not because someone told me so but because i’ve seen it with my own eyes is all. I am not mad with anyone i wasn’t taught to carry that in my heart. I guess when things in the country you love are going down hill and you have no way to help stop it, the feeling is frustration to say the least.
Jackie bo baracky lol jk
Poodle Boy
February 7th, 2013
7:52 pm
When will FOX start with their favorite saying,”anybody but Hillary”. How’s that working out for ya now?
getalife
February 7th, 2013
7:52 pm
It is sad watching the gop desperately trying to be right about something.
It is time for a younger generation of politicians.
Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
7:55 pm
JOHN MCCAIN………WHAT A HYPOCRITE
I’ll bet he’s served and suffered doing so far beyond anything you’ve ever done. Feel free to discuss your service to the country.
Uh Huh....Were we attacked on 9/11? What did John McCain Do?
February 7th, 2013
7:56 pm
@Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
7:32 pm
The most disgusting part was when asked about Obama and the state departments follow ups for updated status reports on what was going on they had to admit under oath that there were no follow ups. An impeachable condition in my opinion.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You CONS are the same people who WANTED Mitt Romney to be President
and Sarah Palin to be Vice President.
An impeachable condition in my opinion.
heeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheehee
TaxPayer
February 7th, 2013
7:58 pm
It is sad watching the gop desperately trying to be right about something.
Au contraire. It is sad watching the gop desperately refuse to even try to be right about anything.
Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
7:59 pm
heeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheehee
Now that only puts your ignorance on display. Try to grow up.
JamVet
February 7th, 2013
8:01 pm
“It is time for a younger generation of politicians.”
So what ever happened to all of those young “rising stars” in the GOP we were being told about a few years ago?
Did they all get lost on the Appalachian Trail? (grin)
Uh Huh....Were we attacked on 9/11? What did John McCain Do?
February 7th, 2013
8:02 pm
@Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
7:55 pm
JOHN MCCAIN………WHAT A HYPOCRITE
I’ll bet he’s served and suffered doing so far beyond anything you’ve ever done. Feel free to discuss your service to the country.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
“served and suffered”
That the cost of war.
That does not give him a LICENSE to take it out on U,S. citizens.
TruthBTold: John McCain is angry at HIMSELF for picking the
dumbest woman (Sarah Palin) in america to be his RUNNING MATE.
John McCain needs to MAN-UP and MOVE-ON.
Serious Robuck
February 7th, 2013
8:02 pm
Recon, I think you’re really td.
kayaker 71
February 7th, 2013
8:02 pm
Dempsey couldn’t shine McCain’s shoes. Dempsey is a Bozo lackey who preaches the liberal line to the point of being almost comical. McCain is just doing his job, nothing more. This “over the hill, white, aging”, war hero is so far above the average liberal nutcase so as to not even make it a case. People like Bookman would not understand as would most of you liberal arm chair soldiers who don’t have a clue as to what McCain endured. Over five years. In that slop filled hovel they call a prison, beaten on a daily basis, starved, tortured to the point of madness…… and you friggin’ liberals have all the answers. Bookman, you should be ashamed of yourself, being the son of a career AF veteran. You are hopeless.
комиссар (Occupation)
February 7th, 2013
8:03 pm
Jay: “The posturing is incredibly cynical.”
Of course, if you’re going to point that out every time that’s displayed on these boards, you’re never going to get another column written.
Seriously Folks
February 7th, 2013
8:05 pm
See Recon, really hard for folks to “respect the office” when on one hand you and posters like you come up with “sophmoric” names for the duly elected President of United States, and when people on the other side call names of a sitting United States Senator, you get bent out of shape.
For me, I completely disagree with McCain’s politics, his wishy-washy stance on things, his complete selling out to keep himself in office…but yes, the man served with dignity, honor and his service is not to be ridiculed. However, his actions, his votes, and his stances on matter of keeping our Republic a functioning democracy are by no means to be treated with “kid gloves” because of his service.
TaxPayer
February 7th, 2013
8:05 pm
Despair not, cons. You only have FOUR MORE YEARS, until we elect Hillary so she can rub your failure to fund security for Benghazi in your faces for EIGHT MORE YEARS.
Uh Huh....Were we attacked on 9/11? What did John McCain Do?
February 7th, 2013
8:05 pm
@Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
7:59 pm
heeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheehee
Now that only puts your ignorance on display. Try to grow up.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vice President SARAH PALIN for PRESIDENT 2016
heeheeheeheeheeheeheeheehee
kayaker 71
February 7th, 2013
8:09 pm
One more thing….. the majority of you liberal girly boys wouldn’t have lasted two days, much less five years.
Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
8:10 pm
heeheeheeheeheeheeheeheehee
You’re absolutely correct, I should have also included your immaturity.
Uh Huh....Were we attacked on 9/11? What did John McCain Do?
February 7th, 2013
8:11 pm
@kayaker 71
February 7th, 2013
8:02 pm
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Do we blame the torture John McCain received on his MENTAL LAPSE
when he PICKED SARAH PALIN as his running mate?
What other MENTAL LAPSES can we blame of his MILITARY SERVICE?
HUH?
saywhat?
February 7th, 2013
8:13 pm
kayaker 71
February 7th, 2013
8:09 pm
One more thing….. the majority of you liberal girly boys wouldn’t have lasted two days, much less five years.
—————————————————————
I would have lasted 10 or 20 decades, because I’m awesome, even for a liberal.
What’s next? Do we whip it out and compare?
Jimiz_1
February 7th, 2013
8:13 pm
Look people its not the darn congress that is at fault. They very well may not have voted to allocate more money for defence. But there is no information that they wanted to cut funds totally. What happen was the white house pulled our security team out and replaced them with people from there instead.” Big mistake” They didn’t have to add more they just needed to keep what they had and i think it would have been a different situation.
The Pentagon was incharge of that not the congress because ambassador Stevens and others made several attempts to ask them to be able to keep the American forces there. This started in June or July i think when the same building was attacked. The terrorist blew a massive hole in the reinforced concrete wall. But Obama did nothing even though he knew 9/11 was right around the corner he knew that there should have been a stronger force for this occasion. He did nothing in the face of terrorism he did nothing to stop it plain and simple. If this were a republican you libs would be ready to burn them down.
DownInAlbany
February 7th, 2013
8:14 pm
Serious Robuck
February 7th, 2013
7:45 pm
No matter how many houses he owns…no matter that he has a rich, beautiful and inexplicably loyal wife, McCain is a bonafide, certified loser
Yeah, he’s a loser alright. He virtually lost the use of his arms in the Hanoi Hilton. On one hand ya’ll get on him for the lack of respect he showed and you do the same in the next breath…
Uh Huh....Were we attacked on 9/11? What did John McCain Do?
February 7th, 2013
8:18 pm
@kayaker 71
February 7th, 2013
8:09 pm
One more thing….. the majority of you liberal girly boys wouldn’t have lasted two days, much less five years.
@Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
8:10 pm
heeheeheeheeheeheeheeheehee
You’re absolutely correct, I should have also included your immaturity.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I betcha when McCain was CAPTURED he was not the BULLY YOU SEE
TODAY.
He needs to act with DIGNITY, HUMILITY and INTRIGRITY.
He needs to be thankful for the blessing that he made it out
He CAN’T keep PLAYING the WOUNDED WARRIOR card
FOREVER.
STEP aside John soldiers are RETURNING from war in far
worse condition.
MAN-UP.
alive.
Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
8:18 pm
The far-left girly men depend on those who’re far better men to defend this republic but unfortunately the girly men are becoming a majority.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 7th, 2013
8:21 pm
1) What Jay fails to address (and Senator McCain brought out) was not so much what “should” have been done at the time but what “could” have been done had adequate security on the ground and/or adequate PREPOSITIONED forces been in place and ready to go.
This was a MASSIVE failure on the part of those in charge for not being prepared BEFOREHAND knowing what danger our people were in. It would be similar to sending the President out with inadequate Secret Service personnel and then saying, “well, we had lot’s more but we couldn’t get them there in time.”
Well, DUH ! That should have been allowed for by GETTING THEM CLOSER to start with !
2) But all of that aside, we know it wasn’t a TERRORIST attack anyway. Jay said so.
saywhat?
February 7th, 2013
8:22 pm
Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
8:18 pm
The far-left girly men depend on those who’re far better men to defend this republic but unfortunately the girly men are becoming a majority.
————————————————————————
What about the gay men and women now defending this republic? Where do they fit in to this fascinatingly simplistic scenario?
Uh Huh....Were we attacked on 9/11? What did John McCain Do?
February 7th, 2013
8:23 pm
@Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
8:18 pm
The far-left girly men depend on those who’re far better men to defend this republic but unfortunately the girly men are becoming a majority.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
“girly men are becoming a majority.”
As a man thinketh SO IS HE.
kayaker 71
February 7th, 2013
8:23 pm
Uh…. Huh, 8:11,
Ever made a mistake? Palin wasn’t best choice and he has admitted that since 2008. You must have never done something that you would like to take back, now have you? Never made a bad decision? so you can pile it on to this national hero who spent his time standing up for something besides some kind of dinky liberal spin that gets us nowhere. He and others have described some things while at the Hilton that were almost unbelievable. I have seen some of these patients who were tortured on a regular basis for longer than a year or so. It fu*ks with your mind, not to mention your body. One favorite was to spread the legs of a prisoner and take a simple bamboo shoot which is stiff and somewhat flexible and flip it into the testicles. Doing this for about an hour and you will tell them anything they want to know. Ever see a scrotum that is three times the normal size? How about the same technique on the bottom of someone’s feet. It makes the feet swell about twice their normal size and prisoners have to crawl to some clay pot to defecate because they can’t walk. Day after day, the same thing. For weeks, months and years. How long could you take it, uH Huh? I think I have the answer. McCain is twice the man you and I will ever be.
TaxPayer
February 7th, 2013
8:24 pm
All this talk of girly boys and girly men coming from the cons. Oh my! Is that tap dancing I hear.
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
8:26 pm
“All this talk of girly boys and girly men coming from the cons”
Wonder if there are any Log Cabin Republicans “listening”?
Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
8:27 pm
Where do they fit in to this fascinatingly simplistic scenario?
saywhat, if you’re one of the they, please tell me. When I served 1961-1967 no one who I can recall discussed their sexuality. Why is it important now?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 7th, 2013
8:27 pm
Seriously Folks:
“See Recon, really hard for folks to “respect the office” when on one hand you and posters like you come up with “sophmoric” names for the duly elected President of United States …. ”
Maybe you should tell Luckovich to stop drawing those “sophmoric” cartoons about conservatives ???
I’s called “satire” and totally acceptable in print, in videos, in political cartoons and on this blog.
However, if a president (or anyone worthy of respect) is met in person he/she should be addressed and treated as such.
saywhat?
February 7th, 2013
8:27 pm
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 7th, 2013
8:21 pm
1) What Jay fails to address (and Senator McCain brought out) was not so much what “should” have been done at the time but what “could” have been done had adequate security on the ground and/or adequate PREPOSITIONED forces been in place and ready to go.
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Ohhhhhhh. I understand now. Like Bush did before 9/11, right?
Josef
February 7th, 2013
8:28 pm
Del/recon is the kind who gives closet cases a bad name…
комиссар (Occupation)
February 7th, 2013
8:28 pm
So, the frightening wild-eyed ‘liberal’ president sure does have one conservative heavyweight thinker in his corner on drones.
http://twitchy.com/2013/02/06/liberal-drone-david-frum-frets-over-president-obamas-heavy-heavy-burden/
—-
Here is what I wrote in September 2011 about a drone strike:
Obama’s far left flank will be unhappy if the mission to kill Awlaki, an American citizen, was successful. They will again decry such drone strikes against American citizens as unprecedented and lawless.
On this, I will come to Obama’s defense.
Awlaki’s membership and leadership in al Qaeda is undisputed.
We are at war.
The Supreme Court set the precedent for Obama’s and our military’s actions in 1942.
—
DownInAlbany
February 7th, 2013
8:28 pm
How does this play into the lib talking points?
General Dempsey, Chair of the Joint Chiefs, told the Senate today that the intelligence in the region and the amount of attacks prior to the attack on the US Special Mission in Benghazi, Libya, should have made it “crystal clear” to everyone involved that an attack on the annex was “imminent.”
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
8:28 pm
“When I served 1961-1967 no one who I can recall discussed their sexuality”
Nah, they just dicussed the sexuality of “those” other people
Jackie
February 7th, 2013
8:30 pm
@jimiz_1
I am back and saw where you posted the information about your Native American heritage.
The only thing I can say to that is, OK! If you believe it so do I.
Secondly, you statement about the Pentagon being in charge is another fantasy. If they do not have the money to fly the planes and sail the ships, what choices do they have in offering protection to any embassy anywhere?
Did you know that the Marines that are stationed at embassies are there primarily to protect the written material so that it gets destroyed first? Then, they try to protect the embassy. The USA has contracted out most of the security work to private agencies. If they do not get paid, they do not work, bottom line!!!!!!
F. Sinkwich
February 7th, 2013
8:30 pm
“All this talk of girly boys and girly men coming from the cons.”
Actually, I think the correct spelling is GIRLIE.
See O’bozo, Preezy.
Josef
February 7th, 2013
8:31 pm
Kommisar
And his 16 year old son…?
JamVet
February 7th, 2013
8:31 pm
Sure seems to be a lot of recently new found respect for John McCain among the crowd that absolutely vilified him in 2000. Things that make you go hmmmmm…
I remember a time when he stood almost completely alone among Republicans as he called the attacks by Swift Boat Veterans for Bush “dishonest and dishonorable,” and he called on Bush to condemn the ad. Of course, George refused to do so.
So, yes, I’ve always cut McCain a lot of slack. Something Bush voters never did…
Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
8:31 pm
Nah, they just dicussed the sexuality of “those” other people
No we had far more important topics to discuss.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 7th, 2013
8:32 pm
Seriously Folks:
Check out Luckovich’s cartoon for 1/16 !
I think it’s pretty disrespectful to draw those big ears on Obama ……….. don’t you ?
http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/page/2/
getalife
February 7th, 2013
8:32 pm
“All this talk of girly boys and girly men coming from the cons.”
They end up busted in bathroom stalls.
saywhat?
February 7th, 2013
8:35 pm
Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
8:27 pm
Where do they fit in to this fascinatingly simplistic scenario?
saywhat, if you’re one of the they, please tell me. When I served 1961-1967 no one who I can recall discussed their sexuality. Why is it important now?
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Not one of “they”, though not through any choice of my own. It has become important because alternate sexuality is no longer taboo for the majority of society, and because people like you would deny such people the right to serve in the military, along with other rights.
You and Kayaker brought up mention of “liberal girly boys” and “far left liberal girly men”. Why do YOU find it so important to attribute effeminacy to people who don’t agree with you?
Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
8:37 pm
0311/8541,
Luckovich is a far-left little idiot who has a talent for artistic drawing. Jay is a far-left ___fill in the blanks, who has a talent for cut and paste from his favorite far-left Web sites.
F. Sinkwich
February 7th, 2013
8:38 pm
“I remember a time when he stood almost completely alone among Republicans as he called the attacks by Swift Boat Veterans for Bush “dishonest and dishonorable,” ”
Dude was full of sh*t about that.
So I guess from here to eternity he is full of sh*t about everything and anything he says.
Got it.
Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
8:40 pm
Why do YOU find it so important to attribute effeminacy to people who don’t agree with you?
Because you would need to be effeminate to disagree with us.
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
8:40 pm
“No we had far more important topics to discuss”
Yeah, right. Every minute of every day and night. Hon, I dated soldiers and sailors and airmen (the advantage of living and going to school near bases) near the end of the time period you listed, and immediately afterwards. I am QUITE familiar with the “more important topics” that were discussed and they give the lie to your dodge of discussing the sexuality of “those” other people.
Serious Robuck
February 7th, 2013
8:41 pm
Down in Albany, I voted for John McCain for President in the California primary in 2000 against your boy W. He was my favorite Republican. Bill Bradley was the Democrat I supported that year, but so much for that.
But McCain, as an elderly cancer survivor, was willing to put this country in the hands of Sarah f>>>king Palin! That erased any respect I had for him forever. And he’s never backed down from that choice. Why don’t you go talk to Saxby Chambliss, one of your heroes, about patriotism and sacrifice, and his campaign against Max? Good riddance.
saywhat?
February 7th, 2013
8:42 pm
Recon 0311 2533 is a far-right little ___fill in the blanks who has no talent for artistic drawing.0311/8541 is a far-right ___fill in the blanks, who has no talent for cut and paste from his favorite far-right Web sites.
See what I did there?
getalife
February 7th, 2013
8:43 pm
“Bill Gates: Government’s Constant Budget Battles Are ‘Absolutely Insane’”
I think it is time to mandate the gop to see a mental health facility.
A report sows ObamaCare is saving billions on drugs for Seniors and working as intended.
You will not see that good news on corporate media.
DownInAlbany
February 7th, 2013
8:43 pm
Serious Robuck
February 7th, 2013
8:41 pm
I’ve never said Chambliss was one of my “heroes” now have I?
JamVet
February 7th, 2013
8:43 pm
The terms dishonest and dishonorable seems to have hit a nerve with one of the swiftboaters.
So McCain is a hero, except for when he speaks out against Republican liars and thugs.
Got it…
DownInAlbany
February 7th, 2013
8:45 pm
DownInAlbany
February 7th, 2013
8:28 pm
How does this play into the lib talking points?
General Dempsey, Chair of the Joint Chiefs, told the Senate today that the intelligence in the region and the amount of attacks prior to the attack on the US Special Mission in Benghazi, Libya, should have made it “crystal clear” to everyone involved that an attack on the annex was “imminent.”
‘Ya got nothing, do you?
billy ray
February 7th, 2013
8:45 pm
The most eye opening info regarding this man is that he was nominated by the Repubs to be the President of the US AND his wonderful judgement in naming Palin to be his VP- AND the Repubs all went misty eyed and said hallelujah. Imagine if this guy were in the WH and his nitwit VP was this close to being our next President.
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
8:47 pm
“Imagine if this guy were in the WH and his nitwit VP was this close to being our next President”
I think it’s pretty obvious that a LOT of people did exactly that.
stands for decibels
February 7th, 2013
8:47 pm
Jay — “Panetta added that “you can’t just willy-nilly send F16s there and blow the hell out of a place without knowing what’s taking place.”
And that’s it in a nutshell. Our cons are apparently butthurt that we *didn’t* do just that.
Yep. Except perhaps for the “apparently” part.
DownInAlbany
February 7th, 2013
8:47 pm
and his nitwit VP was this close to being our next President.
You referring to Biden?
Jackie
February 7th, 2013
8:49 pm
@Sinkwich
Are you saying McCain was wrong when he defended John Kerry against the Swift Boat attacks?
I can tell you personally, I had a high school classmate that was a member of the Mobile Riverine force in Viet Nam who said the brown water navy went into Cambodia frequently.
Ask any other Viet Nam vet here, I think they will tell you they have been to Laos/Cambodia themselves, unofficially.
F. Sinkwich
February 7th, 2013
8:50 pm
“Luckovich is a far-left little idiot who has a talent for artistic drawing.”
I must disagree.
Dead tree version of the AJC now prints Ramirez. His art is extrordinairy. His editorial wit is phenomenal.
When his cartoon is placed next to Luckovich’s, it’s like seeing a Rembrandt next to a steaming turd.
td
February 7th, 2013
8:50 pm
All politics aside for the moment.
This is scary business my friends. As testified today under oath, the Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint chiefs of staff could not get in touch with the President during the entire time of the raid. How in the hell is it that the two military leaders in this nation does not have 24/7, 365 days per year to the Commander and chief (especially on the anniversary of 911) This is also on the same day that the President had a meeting with the Sec. of Defense earlier because he was concerned over the Egyptian Embassy. One more point why in the hell was not our entire military on high alert on 911?
Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
8:50 pm
Hon, I dated soldiers and sailors and airmen (the advantage of living and going to school near bases) near the end of the time period you listed,
I’m glad to learn that you did and I’m sure you’re a very attractive woman both then and now. I’m sorry, however, that you didn’t date combat infantry Marines or Marine Corps Recon we could have made your military experience much more memorable.
DownInAlbany
February 7th, 2013
8:51 pm
stands for decibels
February 7th, 2013
8:47 pm
Jay — “Panetta added that “you can’t just willy-nilly send F16s there and blow the hell out of a place without knowing what’s taking place.”
And that’s it in a nutshell. Our cons are apparently butthurt that we *didn’t* do just that.
But, it’s ok to just willy-nilly send drones in to kill folks (including American citizens) and kids and women too! I see…
saywhat?
February 7th, 2013
8:51 pm
Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
8:40 pm
Why do YOU find it so important to attribute effeminacy to people who don’t agree with you?
Because you would need to be effeminate to disagree with us.
————————————————————–
That could possibly be true, but only if we disagreed over which color of female underthings you both prefer to wear. Put down your purse and wave goodbye now, I’ve got to go home and walk around the house in my boxers, drink a beer or six, while I scratch myself and then eat some manly-man steak and potatoes, (or as Dan Quayle might say, stake and potatos).
Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
8:51 pm
Recon Marines penetrate deeper. Follow on
F. Sinkwich
February 7th, 2013
8:52 pm
“Are you saying McCain was wrong when he defended John Kerry against the Swift Boat attacks?”
Yep.
Thanks for paying attention.
getalife
February 7th, 2013
8:53 pm
He picked the con palin for the cons to show up and vote.
He knows nothing about our economy like w.
We dodged that bullet.
stands for decibels
February 7th, 2013
8:54 pm
But, it’s ok to just willy-nilly send drones in to kill folks (including American citizens) and kids and women too! I see…
I’ve said that when?
As asserted earlier–I’m sorry you and yours, apparently, are just now learning about the kill list and whatnot. Maybe a little less time in the right wing echo chamber might help such things from happening in the future.
/drive-by
getalife
February 7th, 2013
8:56 pm
You can’t march lockstep with w on drones then cry when President Obama does the same thing con hypocrites.
Just zip it.
Jackie
February 7th, 2013
8:56 pm
@Sinkwich
Did you ever serve in the armed forces?
Uh Huh....Were we attacked on 9/11? What did John McCain Do?
February 7th, 2013
8:57 pm
@kayaker 71
February 7th, 2013
8:23 pm
Uh…. Huh, 8:11,
Ever made a mistake? Palin wasn’t best choice and he has admitted that since 2008. You must have never done something that you would like to take back, now have you? Never made a bad decision? so you can pile it on to this national hero who spent his time standing up for something besides some kind of dinky liberal spin that gets us nowhere. He and others have described some things while at the Hilton that were almost unbelievable. I have seen some of these patients who were tortured on a regular basis for longer than a year or so. It fu*ks with your mind, not to mention your body. One favorite was to spread the legs of a prisoner and take a simple bamboo shoot which is stiff and somewhat flexible and flip it into the testicles. Doing this for about an hour and you will tell them anything they want to know. Ever see a scrotum that is three times the normal size? How about the same technique on the bottom of someone’s feet. It makes the feet swell about twice their normal size and prisoners have to crawl to some clay pot to defecate because they can’t walk. Day after day, the same thing. For weeks, months and years. How long could you take it, uH Huh? I think I have the answer. McCain is twice the man you and I will ever be.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
“Ever made a mistake?”
Yes….but I did not take it out on others.
“Never made a bad decision?”
His bad decision was he ran AGAINST a BLACK MAN AND LOST.
“national hero who spent his time standing up for something besides
some kind of dinky liberal spin”
He served in the Vietnam War that was a disaster for the U.S. and a war
that the U.S. should have stayed out of.
“described some things while at the Hilton that were almost unbelievable.”
He should thank his Heavenly Father that he made it out alive and he should
be more humble and THANKFUL
There are soldiers coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan who have
suffered as much.
There are soldiers that are coming home with no arms, no legs, who
have also suffered.
McCain should be more thankful that he came home alive and has lived
a good life doing what he loved.
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
8:58 pm
“You referring to Biden?”
Sarah Palin had a sex-change operation AND changed her name? Have her husband and children noticed yet?
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
8:59 pm
“There are soldiers that are coming home with no arms, no legs, who
have also suffered”
Have you seen the story of the Veteran who lost ALL 4 LIMBS and had 2 arm transplants?
td
February 7th, 2013
8:59 pm
Joe Biden makes Sarah Palin look like a genius.
standing guard
February 7th, 2013
9:00 pm
Unless you have stood guard on unfriendly soil and faced a barrage of bullets. Keep your uninformed, cowardly, left wing, twinkie eating opinions of John McCain to yourself. You have no idea what he did, or who he is, and people like you never will… The most dangerous thing most of you face is Walmart at Christmas…you just don’t get it.
Serious Robuck
February 7th, 2013
9:01 pm
td, you make ALL of us look like geniuses.
independent thinker
February 7th, 2013
9:01 pm
I bet Obama and Hilary were sitting around watching the Benghazi attack in real time with Panetta while Joe Biden read My pet Goat to them.
Jackie
February 7th, 2013
9:01 pm
@standing
I beg your pardon?
td
February 7th, 2013
9:02 pm
Serious Robuck
February 7th, 2013
9:01 pm
Let us see your genius. Go and defend Obama after the statements made in my 8:50 post
Uh Huh....Were we attacked on 9/11? What did John McCain Do?
February 7th, 2013
9:03 pm
@DownInAlbany
February 7th, 2013
8:47 pm
and his nitwit VP was this close to being our next President.
You referring to Biden?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Can you spell S-A-R-A-H P-A-L-I-N?
The mama grizzly that was just FIRED FROM FAUX NEWS.
KARMA IS A BEACH.
DownInAlbany
February 7th, 2013
9:03 pm
DownInAlbany
February 7th, 2013
8:45 pm
DownInAlbany
February 7th, 2013
8:28 pm
How does this play into the lib talking points?
General Dempsey, Chair of the Joint Chiefs, told the Senate today that the intelligence in the region and the amount of attacks prior to the attack on the US Special Mission in Benghazi, Libya, should have made it “crystal clear” to everyone involved that an attack on the annex was “imminent.”
‘Ya got nothing, do you?
Still no takers. That’s what I figured.
td
February 7th, 2013
9:04 pm
independent thinker
February 7th, 2013
9:01 pm
I bet Obama and Hilary were sitting around watching the Benghazi attack in real time with Panetta while Joe Biden read My pet Goat to them.
Panetta testified under oath today that he could not get in touch with Obama or HIllary for the whole 6 hours of the Benghazi attack.
JamVet
February 7th, 2013
9:05 pm
“Keep your uninformed, cowardly, left wing, twinkie eating opinions of John McCain to yourself.”
Take it up with sink and recon.
They’ll tell you what a loser he is for calling the swiftboaters dishonest and dishonorable.
Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
9:06 pm
Have you seen the story of the Veteran who lost ALL 4 LIMBS and had 2 arm transplants?
The biggest fear in recon teams was losing your manhood, to hostile fire so each team carried a Russian Tokarev. You could be carried out in a body bag but still be a man.
Serious Robuck
February 7th, 2013
9:07 pm
Standing guard, where were you when Saxby was smearing Max? Tell me you didn’t support Saxby, who had a bad toe and partied at the Sigma Chi house for years while Max was in Viet Nam. Tell me you didn’t support W, who served without appearance, in the Alabama Air National Guard. Tell me you didn’t support Cheney, who had more important things to do than serve his country. You self-righteous right wing jerks are so full of it, you may burst at any moment.
The fact is that John McCain is a LOSER! And a poor one, at that.
Uh Huh....Were we attacked on 9/11? What did John McCain Do?
February 7th, 2013
9:07 pm
@Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
8:59 pm
“There are soldiers that are coming home with no arms, no legs, who
have also suffered”
Have you seen the story of the Veteran who lost ALL 4 LIMBS and had 2 arm transplants?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
YES….he is an American HERO.
He gave ALL 4 LIMBS for his country.
And he does not seem to be BITTER.
Jackie
February 7th, 2013
9:08 pm
@DownInAlbany
Even Ambassador Stevens knew something was up because his friends in the local militia told him they had heard rumors.
The USA employed contractors as guards of the embassy and the consulate mission. We did not have the money to pay them, nor would we allocate the money to fund our rapid-deployment force in Italy.
Ambassador Stevens felt that he had enough experience and friends in the area so that he could have means and methods of avoid surprises. After all, he had spent more than 20 years in the country and had a good working relationship with Khadafy and the rebel groups.
Yes, he requested more security but was turned down because the State Department did not have the money allocated by Congress and were refused to unlock money allocated for State Department functions in Iraq.
What would you have done?
F. Sinkwich
February 7th, 2013
9:09 pm
“Did you ever serve in the armed forces?”
NOYFB.
But thanks for asking.
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
9:09 pm
“YES….he is an American HERO”
Yes, he is…and my prayers are that the transplants are totally successful. He’s already got partial use of at least one of them…which to ME is a miracle of surgery.
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
9:11 pm
“NOYFB”
Are you sure you didn’t accidentally add 2 extra letters to that?
Jackie
February 7th, 2013
9:11 pm
@Sinkwich
It shows, you and your little twinkie hip!!!!
Thanks for replying.
JamVet
February 7th, 2013
9:11 pm
NO
YFB.USA Patriot
February 7th, 2013
9:12 pm
“The increasingly angry, embittered President” – there, fixed it for ya JB.
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
9:12 pm
“Are you sure you didn’t accidentally add 2 extra letters to that?”
Well, looks like I can’t count tonight…3 letters, not 2.
There are 3 kinds of people in the world…those who can count and those who can’t
NoBodyYouKnow
February 7th, 2013
9:15 pm
I am so sick and tired of hearing about this. And yes I know 4 brave Americans lost their lives, but what does it serve to go on and on trying to find a scapegoat? Typical politics.
Serious Robuck
February 7th, 2013
9:15 pm
td, you cut and paste real real good for a good old boy from Paulding County. Who tawt yew how to do that and then post it? Guess its that genetic gene pool your mamma and them came from and then past on two yewe. Go get sum sleep, td, so yew ken be heer ALL day tomorro to show us libruls how stewpidd we are.
Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
9:17 pm
Where are two of my favorite posters, Fred and moonbatbetty?
USA Patriot
February 7th, 2013
9:17 pm
OMG! There’s a progressive / liberal / democrat running through the hills in SoCal with guns that killed 4 people so far! Guess the “laws” in CA are really working!
Hope it’s some “gun toting backwoods hick sticking to his guns” that kills this SOB!
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
9:18 pm
“but what does it serve to go on and on trying to find a scapegoat? ”
You will understand if you just contemplate how desperate some of the conned are to latch onto an impeachable offence.
Jackie
February 7th, 2013
9:20 pm
@USA
How do you know he is a liberal / democrat ?
You must have seen a picture of him and you used that photograph to make the assertion, right?
td
February 7th, 2013
9:21 pm
Serious Robuck
February 7th, 2013
9:15 pm
Find where I cut and pasted my post from? This is original thought from testimony heard today.
BTW: I was born and raised in Cobb county when it was known as the smartest county in the state. Unlike you in the genetically challenged area of the state you were born and bred in.
DownInAlbany
February 7th, 2013
9:22 pm
Jackie
February 7th, 2013
9:08 pm
What would you have done?
Anything would have been more than our Pres and SOS did which was absolutely NOTHING. They were AWOL. Couldn’t be contacted. Damn sure didn’t miss the photo-op when OBL was killed! But, couldn’t be bothered when 4 US citizens were murdered.
Jimiz_1
February 7th, 2013
9:22 pm
You mean to tell me that this country has plenty of money for welfare an foodstamps to protect the poor. But they couldn’t scrape togeather any funds for some American forces to protect them on 9/11. Seems like the president would see the danger thats going on in these countrys and sign one of his famous executive orders to make sure this doesn’t happen again . But guess what we just had another embassy attacked in Africa i think. Is it me or did all this stuff start happening when obama took office?
td
February 7th, 2013
9:23 pm
NoBodyYouKnow
February 7th, 2013
9:15 pm
I am so sick and tired of hearing about this. And yes I know 4 brave Americans lost their lives, but what does it serve to go on and on trying to find a scapegoat? Typical politics.
Because someone has to take the fall just like the Dems demanded of Reagan. Who needs to take the fall?
getalife
February 7th, 2013
9:25 pm
Perhaps they got sick like our troops drinking toxic water in Iraq.
I think they should be admitted to a hospital and do some tests.
Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
9:26 pm
Taps…Good night Jackie, Scout as well as the rest of you too.
USA Patriot
February 7th, 2013
9:26 pm
Um, Jackie, have you checked out his manifesto?
Here ya go! SB!
http://laist.com/2013/02/07/christopher_dorners_manifesto_in_fu.php
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
9:26 pm
“You mean to tell me that this country has plenty of money for welfare an foodstamps to protect the poor. But they couldn’t scrape togeather any funds for some American forces to protect them on 9/11″
You’ll have to ask Congress that question
Jackie
February 7th, 2013
9:27 pm
@DownInAlbany
You indicate anything would have been more than our Pres and SOS. It appears to me that you are in the same position they were, hands tied and hoped there was something someone, anyone could do to help those folks.
If you will dig a little deeper into Sec. Panetta’s testimony, it clearly shows the State Department and the CIA were in charge of the facility and the DOD had no role to play.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/clinton-and-panetta-never-talked-during-benghazi-terror-attacks
Jimiz_1
February 7th, 2013
9:28 pm
time to walk my property with a flashlight and a gun lol.
Old Marine
February 7th, 2013
9:29 pm
When I served 1961-1967 no one who I can recall discussed their sexuality
I’m calling BS on that one. You must have been in a different Marine Corps, and I joined the one I was in before you. You don’t recall those stern lectures about the court martial that awaits any Marine found to have engaged in homosexuality? You don’t recall the mocking of homosexuals undertaken by your enlisted leaders? The entire environment was heterosexuality on steroids. And yes, the buttoms on my dress greens were—and still are (I keep my uniforms in my closet)—brown. Don’t give us that BS about how sexuality-neutral the Marine Corps was or how nobody discussed sexuality.
TBS
February 7th, 2013
9:30 pm
“Because someone has to take the fall just like the Dems demanded of Reagan. Who needs to take the fall?”
Maybe they can start pardoning people before they are charged with anything, say they don’t remember anything and find a Lt Col who will take the fall.
Sound familiar?
Jackie
February 7th, 2013
9:31 pm
@USA
Checked out the manifesto and still nothing that indicates the person they are seeking is a liberal.
Glad to know you think I am a SOB because it takes one to know one, whale gravy!!!!
TBS
February 7th, 2013
9:33 pm
“Joe Biden makes Sarah Palin look like a genius.”
So much so that Sarah wound up on the bad end of a drubbing like she never had felt before.
td
February 7th, 2013
9:35 pm
TBS
February 7th, 2013
9:33 pm
“Joe Biden makes Sarah Palin look like a genius.”
So much so that Sarah wound up on the bad end of a drubbing like she never had felt before.
Do not forget to mention that she also is worth at least 100 times the amount she was the day she accepted the nomination to be VP. Sounds pretty smart to me.
Jackie
February 7th, 2013
9:35 pm
@Recon
SALUTE!!!
Taps
Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
9:36 pm
Don’t give us that BS about how sexuality-neutral the Marine Corps was or how nobody discussed sexuality.
Old Marine I’ll come straight out and tell you you’re full of shyite. I don’t know when you served, where you served or your MOS but clearly you weren’t infantry if you think Marines sat around their foot lockers or out in the bush talking about their sexuality.
Thulsa Doom
February 7th, 2013
9:37 pm
Sarah Palin is fairly hot for a woman her age. Joe Biden is a goofball. That settles everything folks.
TBS
February 7th, 2013
9:38 pm
I never said she wasn’t smart, but she got her ass whupped……………
Plain and simple.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 7th, 2013
9:38 pm
Recon:
But ………. but …………. but ………… those D.I.’s kept calling us that “p” word !
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
9:39 pm
“Do not forget to mention that she also is worth at least 100 times the amount she was the day she accepted the nomination to be VP. Sounds pretty smart to me”
I always said she was a con artist
Serious Robuck
February 7th, 2013
9:39 pm
td, I was never aware of a time when Cobb County was considered the smartest county. When was that, exactly? And how was it measured? And what is the smartest county now? Paulding?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 7th, 2013
9:39 pm
Recon:
And don’t forget “BAM’s” ! ……………
td
February 7th, 2013
9:39 pm
Almost an hour and non of the progressives on this board seem the least bit concerned or are willing to defend the POTUS and his administration.
This is scary business my friends. As testified today under oath, the Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint chiefs of staff could not get in touch with the President during the entire time of the raid. How in the hell is it that the two military leaders in this nation does not have 24/7, 365 days per year to the Commander and chief (especially on the anniversary of 911) This is also on the same day that the President had a meeting with the Sec. of Defense earlier because he was concerned over the Egyptian Embassy. One more point why in the hell was not our entire military on high alert on 911?
Jackie
February 7th, 2013
9:40 pm
@Scout
LOL, LOL, LOL
Wonder why they used that instead of Candy A$$?
Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
9:41 pm
0311/8541, good grief what a fraud that sorry POS is.
bman.
February 7th, 2013
9:42 pm
“Do not forget to mention that she also is worth at least 100 times the amount she was the day she accepted the nomination to be VP. Sounds pretty smart to me”
I always said she was a con artist”
how much is Al Gore worth since he left office?
Thulsa Doom
February 7th, 2013
9:42 pm
“I never said she wasn’t smart, but she got her ass whupped……”
If you’re talking about their head to head debate no one whupped anyone’s ass. To borrow from your handle they both sucked.
Now in a real life asswhupping session I think Sarah would put a beatdown on old Joe.
TBS
February 7th, 2013
9:42 pm
td
The Royal Family in Saudi Arabia are worth countless billions. Does that in itself make them good people?
USA Patriot
February 7th, 2013
9:42 pm
Jackie, apparently, some of the manifesto was not comprehended when someone was reading it.
As to the SOB, incorrect, it’s SB! But carry on!
TBS
February 7th, 2013
9:43 pm
Ok Thulsa
Spin it like a top. She was sent packing
wink, wink
getalife
February 7th, 2013
9:44 pm
Get a room del and scout.
Geez.
td
February 7th, 2013
9:44 pm
erious Robuck
February 7th, 2013
9:39 pm
td, I was never aware of a time when Cobb County was considered the smartest county. When was that, exactly?
Go back and check the time when Cobb was the highest ranking county in SAT scores in the state. No, Paulding is not the smartest county now. That would probably be Forsyth.
Thulsa Doom
February 7th, 2013
9:45 pm
“how much is Al Gore worth since he left office?”
Last I heard he’s made well north of 100 million pushing his BS books and movies where Cuba with its 5-6,000 foot peaks would be underwater due to the global warming nonsense.
Jimiz_1
February 7th, 2013
9:45 pm
I know this goverment has the money. They print it all day long. Plus if you was to ask the soldiers i am sure they would have no problem doing there job for free to help there friend or any American in that situation for that matter. I don’t care what you say the congress did or what Panetta said. This is matter that goes straight to Obama less not forget he is the leader of our military. Commander and Chief as a matter of fact he could have made the decision himself. But he dropped the ball just like always. How is it we had money to go get Bin Ladin but none to protect our own property. I would rather have my fellow Americans back then waste our money on a tired Bin Laden. Which actually cost use a very expensive heliocopter which had special equiptment thats now in the hands of our enemys. Great job obama.
TBS
February 7th, 2013
9:45 pm
bman
what is your point? what td pointed out is nothing new among politicians of either party
are you jealous?
getalife
February 7th, 2013
9:45 pm
The Vice President destroyed ryan.
TBS
February 7th, 2013
9:47 pm
get
Exactly. For a Kenyan Muslim Marxist who knows nothing with his side kick who know even less, they sure put some whelps on the GOP “best and brightest”.
Bwhahhhhhahahahahahahahahahah
Thulsa Doom
February 7th, 2013
9:47 pm
TBS,
She and mccain may have been sent packing but I think if you asked 1000 people who they would rather have dinner with most would say Palin- even Dems. Joe is just a dried up stale old fart who has been in the senate wayyyy too long- just like McCain.
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
9:47 pm
“how much is Al Gore worth since he left office?”
so now she’s changed her sex and name to Al Gore? Who knew? Amazing lady that one.
td
February 7th, 2013
9:48 pm
TBS
February 7th, 2013
9:42 pm
td
The Royal Family in Saudi Arabia are worth countless billions. Does that in itself make them good people?
I know you really do not want to compare Palin to Biden? She has more class and character then he could ever consider having.
bman.
February 7th, 2013
9:50 pm
Doggone… … you just answered a ? with a ?
TBS
February 7th, 2013
9:50 pm
td and Big TD
It is what it is. All your rhetoric will not change anything
Did Ailes say he hired Palin for her brains or because “she was hot and got ratings”?
JamVet
February 7th, 2013
9:50 pm
Would that be the Cobb Country that was the laughingstock of the entire nation for putting those idiotic stickers in their science books?
This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and critically considered.
Approved by
Cobb County Board of Education
Thursday, March 28, 2002
Clarence Darrow said it best way back in 1925, but somebody in Marietta never got the memo:
“We have the purpose of preventing bigots and ignoramuses from controlling the education of the United States.”
USA Patriot
February 7th, 2013
9:50 pm
“The Vice President destroyed ryan.” HA! I love comedians on this site!
Jackie
February 7th, 2013
9:51 pm
@jimiz_1
You must have fallen and bumped your head!
Show me ANY soldier that would put his life on the line and not have the means to take care of his family?
Show me one besides you!
TBS
February 7th, 2013
9:51 pm
TD
I don’t want to eat lunch with either of them…………
Who cares who does? Maybe you, but that means exactly nothing to me
getalife
February 7th, 2013
9:52 pm
Vice President Gore sold his Television channel for 500 million.
palin is broke and her fifteen are up.
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
9:53 pm
“Doggone… … you just answered a ? with a ?”
Did I?
TBS
February 7th, 2013
9:54 pm
get
it was the lib media, takers and commies that won the day……………
or whatever else is on the talking point list that I didn’t mention
‘
bwhahahahhahahhahaha
td
February 7th, 2013
9:58 pm
JamVet
February 7th, 2013
9:50 pm
Would that be the Cobb Country that was the laughingstock of the entire nation for putting those idiotic stickers in their science books?
This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and critically considered.
Approved by
Cobb County Board of Education
Thursday, March 28, 2002
Even 10 years later it is a perfectly legitimate statement. It is still called the THEORY of evolution. Just like the THEORY of global warming there is a little shaky science to back up the claim but it is enough to have the anti traditionalist, human secularist to buy hook, line and sinker.
getalife
February 7th, 2013
10:00 pm
It is all over for the gop and all that is left is the crying.
They are divided and conquered deep in a gop civil war.
Good blogging times.
TBS
February 7th, 2013
10:02 pm
Jam
When Broun’s campaign commercial for Senate of him being depicted riding a brontosaurs down 316, shouting “the earth is 6000ys old and the liberals are coming” goes viral……………
It will be good times for all
bman.
February 7th, 2013
10:03 pm
getalife .. .. who do you think will be the Presidential candidates in 2016?
JamVet
February 7th, 2013
10:06 pm
…there is a little shaky science…
Hysterical.
I love Darrow’s quote.
But religiosity gone horribly awry matters not. Other than the power that they use to have to keep American children ignorant is long gone…
Thulsa Doom
February 7th, 2013
10:07 pm
TBS,
Here’s the deal with Palin. Did she have the experience and overall learning of someone like Biden-especially when it comes to Washington and politics? No. She didn’t. And she probably doesn’t know a lot about history, foreign policy, etc. But what the woman did have that Joe doesn’t have is just a boatload of damn good common sense and a core set of principles. She’s smart enough to know you can’t continously spend money you don’t have. Joe isn’t. And while she’s not nearly as educated, as cosmopolitan, and as refined politically as someone like Biden her work speaks for itself. Alaska prospered very well under her and I think when she left office she had something absurdly ridiculous like an 80 or 90% approval rating. She was like a female Reagan- not an intellectual giant and she didn’t pretend to be. Just smart enough and having enough common sense to know which basic set of core principals work for a nation and a people. In other words smart enough to know that liberalism just doesn’t work.
Jimiz_1
February 7th, 2013
10:10 pm
Why you hacks are at it you can stop bashing Palin. The media started the attacks on her because they seen her as a threat. She is a good person that doesn’t deserve to be hacked on all the time. She may have been to green for the vise presidents job. But that doesn’t mean you have to try an destroy her. From what i hear she did a nice job in Alaska. So it is what it is we don’t know if she would have done a good job because she never had the chance. We don’t talk junk about John Kerry he lost that was it. No more need to be dirty and rude or spead lies. Demo’s are absurd in their thinking. Give it a break. Didn’t any of you obamonite followers listen to obama’s bible breakfast this morning he said he sees god in people that don’t agree with him.
TBS
February 7th, 2013
10:11 pm
Ok Thulsa…. ok
getalife
February 7th, 2013
10:11 pm
“who do you think will be the Presidential candidates in 2016?”
Too far away to take a guess.
I just hope the majority shows up in 14 to defeat the gop again.
TBS
February 7th, 2013
10:14 pm
Jimiz
Palin doesn’t shy away from throwing bombs, why be a baby when it is thrown back at her?
She is in the limelight and wants to be, so she is open to ridicule just as she ridicules
If you want to hold a candle light vigil for her…….. rock on buddy. Do what you must do.
JamVet
February 7th, 2013
10:14 pm
get, I think the determining factor in virtually all of the elections going forward will be the female/slut/prostitute/FemiNazi vote. And that is why I think the GOP will continue to get clobbered for the foreseeable future…
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
10:14 pm
“In other words smart enough to know that liberalism just doesn’t work.”
I always said she was a con artist
TBS
February 7th, 2013
10:15 pm
get
GOP will probably hold serve in 2014. Might even gain a few seats. 2016 might be a different story, but that is a many life times away in the political world.
TBS
February 7th, 2013
10:20 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chJAwn6dwUw
getalife
February 7th, 2013
10:20 pm
Jam,
I agree.
It looks like the gop house bigotry will lose the Latino vote again too.
We have seen the right’s true colors and it will be tough to change that mindset.
TBS
February 7th, 2013
10:22 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV218WhFA6g
getalife
February 7th, 2013
10:24 pm
Both,
“GOP will probably hold serve in 2014″
With gerrymandering, it is possible but too early to tell.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 7th, 2013
10:27 pm
getalife:
“Get a room del and scout.
Geez.”
We did ………… it’s called a BARRACKS !
Ever seen the inside of one? I doubt it.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
10:33 pm
From what i hear she did a nice job in Alaska.
Cutting and running halfway through her elected term is a “nice job”?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Jimiz_1
February 7th, 2013
10:39 pm
You are right she does speak the truth when it hurts to hear but she does because she is correct most the time.
The difference is she tells the truth and her critics don’t. It seems like the more of a threat you are to demo’s the more the lib media will drag them through the mud. They did it to Romney as well, disgraceful journalist made up lie after lie in there mud slinging bananza. To bad the American people didn’t see through those lies. But stupid is as stupid does. If you want to talk about holding candles why do we still have to sit through wack history month. I thought we should have past that point in history where we would need to be reminded of their acheivements. If i were black i would want everyone to forget about slavery so they can move on. They act like they were the only ones that ever was wronged by white people from the distant past. They still blame whites for their misfortune all the time. Whites these days are nothing like they were in colonial days and through out slavery and segregation. And the republican party is not racist they take extra steps to avoid that stereotype.
I think i here someone on my property brb.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 7th, 2013
10:43 pm
“The increasingly angry, embittered John McCain” because good Americans died.
The increasingly accepting, unbitter liberals inspite of good Americans who died.
Jimiz_1
February 7th, 2013
10:52 pm
I don’t talk to thugs sorry hahahahahahahahaha
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
10:54 pm
I don’t talk to thugs sorry hahahahahahahahaha
Available evidence suggests otherwise.
Tom Middleton
February 7th, 2013
11:21 pm
We have the right president, Jay. Thank God McCain didn’t win. PBO!
keith
February 8th, 2013
12:01 am
funny bookman has a problem with sen mccain, who has done about 1 million more things for this country than bookman has. tell us about your stellar service to your country jay. what branch did you serve in? USMC? you graduated boot camp? lol not hardly. Well which one? come on bookman be a man and tell us how you are an American hero better then the real hero he are on here lambasting. liberal punks have no sense of honor at all.
getalife
February 8th, 2013
12:01 am
jimisakook.
RB from Gwinnett
February 8th, 2013
12:02 am
“I am so sick and tired of hearing about this. And yes I know 4 brave Americans lost their lives, but what does it serve to go on and on trying to find a scapegoat? Typical politics.”
What is serves is if we find there were incompetent people in positions that allowed this tragedy to play out the way it did, those people can be removed before they’re responsible for any more deaths. Unfortunately, it appears most of the left have absolutly no interest in learning anything more from this tragedy or if anyone’s incompetence led to it. It doesn’t fit their agenda.
You have to wonder how many of these excuse making liberals would still have their heads buried in the Benghazi sand if it were one of their own family members in those flag draped coffins and the administration were playing these same games????
keith
February 8th, 2013
12:03 am
the ONLY reason obama is president is because enough people wanted to vote for the first black president. Mccain was far superior to barrack in every way.
keith
February 8th, 2013
12:06 am
Bookman does NOT have a problem with a liberal Senator from NJ demanding Secret Service agents be fired for having sex with prostitutes in Brazil while HE is visiting underaged prostitutes in the DR. To bookman hes a great leader, what a real POS.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 8th, 2013
12:13 am
Keith @ 12:06
You hit the nail on the head. Thank you.
getalife
February 8th, 2013
12:16 am
More kooks.
You cons need a good shaking.
It is not a game.
You are still Americans.
Get a freaking grip on reality.
You lost.
You failed.
You cry.
Man up.
Serious Robuck
February 8th, 2013
12:32 am
keith, tell us about Saxby’s stellar service to the country? The Farm Bill of 2005 perhaps? Or was it smearing Max for losing three limbs in Viet Nam while Saxby drank whiskey on the porch?
Obama is President because he won the election. Twice.
keith
February 8th, 2013
2:21 am
bookman is far far far less of a man than mccain. and i dont even like john mccain. but i can and do respect mccain. whats bookman ever done to earn anyones respect? write a bunch of liberal crap in a far left rag? sorry guys like him are a dime a dozen. has he ever lifted one finger in service to this country? no, he is a typical loudmouthed liberal demanding attention like a little baby demanding another spoonful of gerber puree bananas.
keith
February 8th, 2013
2:25 am
Whats Saxby got to do with max cleland playing around with hand grenades? if you are going to play with hand grenades you should expect to get blown up sooner or later. how intelligent is it to be playing with those anyways? i never had much respect for cleland and im glad he has disappeared. good riddance.
keith
February 8th, 2013
2:26 am
obama is destroying this once great country and the dumbest among us is thrilled about it.
keith
February 8th, 2013
2:30 am
according to obamas bots the attacks occurred SIX HOURS apart. no time to respond? SERIOUSLY???? They are obviously used to talking to the idiots that support them.
Jack ®
February 8th, 2013
5:14 am
Need to put Benghazi to bed. Like Hillary said: What difference does it make? Just four dead Americans. Good thing Bush wasn’t in charge.
stands for decibels
February 8th, 2013
5:53 am
Butthurt over Benghazi? Sing along with Bing.
weetamoe
February 8th, 2013
6:29 am
Hilary and Obama were both AWOL. Isn’t there some sort of punishment for dereliction of duty? All of our allies had taken their people out of Benghazi. In this instance the *lack of intelligence* comment Jay mentions can be taken literally. Palin has done absolutely nothing to hurt any one of you commenting here. The NYT spent a considerable sum of money and assigned staff and volunteers spent hours and hours combing through her personal and official correspondence and found not one thing to criticize or ridicule. The hatred expressed against her is pathological.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
February 8th, 2013
6:31 am
Weetamoe,
“Hilary and Obama were both AWOL.”
Explain that to me please.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
February 8th, 2013
6:32 am
And where are my manners? Good, good Friday morning to all y’all!
Jeffrey
February 8th, 2013
6:32 am
I used to respect John McCain, now he’s just turned into an angry old SOB. But he IS a Republican after all!
weetamoe
February 8th, 2013
6:37 am
In a 2008 interview Obama said the bible story about God’s creation is fundamentally true though the six days may not be 24-hour days. So it seems Obama has more in common with Broun than I have with either of them. And you?
weetamoe
February 8th, 2013
6:39 am
Panetta explained the AWOL at the hearing. Those hearings are valuable. Much more informative than Fox or CBS or PBS or NBC or…….
repentcauseJISL
February 8th, 2013
6:50 am
When are you in liberal press going to talk about the 170 children that drones strikes have killed.
The liberal press gives Obama a free hand just like the German press did in 1930s. Shame on you
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
February 8th, 2013
7:00 am
Wee @ 0637:
Second Peter 3:8…”But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”
Psalm 90:4…”For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.”
Admittedly the above verses are supposed to explain the “End Times”, but if it’s true for the end, it stands to reason that it is true for the beginning. Do you really think Braun would admit that?
————————————
Wee @0639:
Site please.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
February 8th, 2013
7:03 am
repentcauseJISL
February 8th, 2013
6:50 am
When are you right wing, Obama can’t do anything right wing nuts going to talk about the many hundreds of children killed and maimed in suicide bomb attacks, car bomb attacks and IED explosions? Shame on you!
stands for decibels
February 8th, 2013
7:07 am
Palin has done absolutely nothing to hurt any one of you commenting here.
True, once I put in the ear plugs so her paint-peeling timbre could do no more permanent damage.
stands for decibels
February 8th, 2013
7:09 am
The liberal press gives Obama a free hand just like the German press did in 1930s.
Ok, so today we’re back to being the Third Reich. I guess Greece c. 2013 is tomorrow.
Granny Godzilla
February 8th, 2013
7:11 am
John McCain.
Such a shame, to go from hero to cartoon character.
Granny Godzilla
February 8th, 2013
7:14 am
Liberal Press?
Time Warner, Walt Disney, Viacom, News Corp., CBS Corporation and NBC Universal.
Liberal Press?
Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.
Very, very stupid.
Magna stupid.
Incredi-stupid.
stands for decibels
February 8th, 2013
7:15 am
Seriously, had youse guys been reading the DFHs (like oh this and this and this and this) that I read you’d have been outraged about the kill list ages ago. I’m sorry I keep bringing that up but it’s really remarkable how mushroom[1]-like so many of our regulars really are.
—
1. Kept in the dark / covered with manure.
Tundra Dude
February 8th, 2013
7:28 am
Liberal Press?
Hiring some liberal employees doesn’t seem to make them liberal….
“I never saw a foreign intervention that the [New York] Times did not support, never saw a fare increase or a rent increase or a utility rate increase that it did not endorse, never saw it take the side of labor in a strike or lockout, or advocate a raise for underpaid workers. And don’t let me get started on universal health care and Social Security. So why do people think the Times is liberal?”
~veteran New York Times reporter John Hess
stands for decibels
February 8th, 2013
7:28 am
Because someone has to take the fall just like the Dems demanded of Reagan.
Are you REALLY claiming that an Ambassador getting pinned down in an unsecured location is in any way equivalent to a massive conspiracy within an Administration to subvert the will of Congress by trading arms for hostages and funding a secret war?
(I’d close with “have you no sense of shame?” but I already know the answer to that one.)
j
February 8th, 2013
7:29 am
That is nothing new, it happens to all politicians, they lose their relevancy. Trying to stay relevant, people go to extremes. Happens to news paper people. They start reading old news clippings, cartoons. They don’t want to update their photo next to their column.
One generation comes and another leaves. Very true, money is the only way to stay relevant.
stands for decibels
February 8th, 2013
7:30 am
“I never saw a foreign intervention that the [New York] Times did not support, never saw a fare increase or a rent increase or a utility rate increase that it did not endorse, never saw it take the side of labor in a strike or lockout, or advocate a raise for underpaid workers. And don’t let me get started on universal health care and Social Security. So why do people think the Times is liberal?”
This, this, a thousand times, this.
And you can apply those same questions to every “liberal” newscast out there.
Granny Godzilla
February 8th, 2013
7:30 am
http://www.republican-elephant.com/12-angry-mccain.jpg
http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/I/A/2/mccain-anger-management.jpg
Nothing new…..
stands for decibels
February 8th, 2013
7:32 am
“In every American community you have varying shades of political opinion. One of the shadiest of these is the liberals … Ten degrees to the left of center in good times. Ten degrees to the right of center if it affects them personally.”
–Phil Ochs
Tundra Dude
February 8th, 2013
7:37 am
http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/I/A/2/mccain-anger-management.jpg
LOL! Good Wun!
Maybe give him a high dose of prozac…he might be able to fake normalcy…?
Markoo
February 8th, 2013
7:39 am
When McCain stood up to Bush or his appointees, he was commended as a “Maverick”. When he stands up to Obama or his appointees he’s “angry” and “embittered”. Got it.
Granny Godzilla
February 8th, 2013
7:47 am
Tundra Dude
Makes him look like a Reborglican.
TaxPayer
February 8th, 2013
7:49 am
McCain “stands up” to whomever whooped his arse in an election. He’s a sore loser. A bitter old sore loser.
bookman parrot
February 8th, 2013
7:53 am
must be great to be Jay, because he has that extra power of mind reading of other folks motives and emotions
stands for decibels
February 8th, 2013
7:54 am
Actually, I get that it sounds hypocritical to complain about bitter John McCain being bitter about stuff I’m not bitter about. That’s why I haven’t actually complained about bitter John McCain.
Truth is, I do enjoy it sometimes when he lays into someone who has it coming. Kinda like I could find that dead atheist guy…wotsisname?… Chris Hitchens, somewhat tolerable at times.
Most recently, McCain was somewhat useful when he laid into the Citizens United decision, f’rinstance.
Granny Godzilla
February 8th, 2013
7:54 am
Markoo
February 8th, 2013
7:39 am
When McCain stood up to Bush or his appointees, he was commended as a “Maverick”. When he stands up to Obama or his appointees he’s “angry” and “embittered”. Got it.
Steve Schmidt Lies About McCain Standing Up to Bush
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.
.
When did he do that?
Steve Schmidt Lies About McCain Standing Up to Bush
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhJvpXo89FE
Granny Godzilla
February 8th, 2013
7:56 am
bookman parrot
February 8th, 2013
7:53 am
must be great to be Jay, because he has that extra power of mind reading of other folks motives and emotions
.
.
.it’s like the flu I guess….
He caught it from the righties on this blog who daily post…
.”you libs …..(fill in the blank with the poutrage du jour) “
independent thinker
February 8th, 2013
7:59 am
This is nothing now you got that Cruz moron from Texas blocking the nomination of Hagel and the stupid party filibustering his confirmation while country needs a new defense secretary. END THE FILLIBUSTER RULE NOW REID!
stands for decibels
February 8th, 2013
8:00 am
The increasingly angry, embittered John McCain
[...]
McCain increasingly appears to believe
Jay, you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
stands for decibels
February 8th, 2013
8:02 am
END THE FILLIBUSTER RULE NOW REID!
“Now now, calm down please, and keep your powder dry. As I told my good friend Mitch, we must preserve comity in the greatest legislative body ever on the planet.”
–”Give ‘em Head,” Harry Reid
Escaped from Email Purgatory
February 8th, 2013
8:02 am
Lost in the never-ending spate of liberal gloating on all matters politic is the fact that, regardless to what could have been done to save the four Americans, their peril in the first place was caused by a foul up – or series of foul ups – by the State Department.
The confluence of bureaucratic bickering, inter-agency pissing contests and incompetent intelligence gathering resulted in the death of four Americans serving their nation in a dangerous country.
Besides the obvious human tragedy, the United States suffered international humiliation – we can’t protect our Ambassadors overseas.
Hello? Who’s running this show?
We can debate who-knew-what-and-when. We can speculate about whether or not the Adminsitration sand bagged until after the election (not that it would have mattered to Obamaphiles – “Will I still get my check? OK. OK then. Benghazi? What’s Benghazi?”).
But back up to ground zero. Ponder the tragedy that provides the circus that now amuses you liberals so.
If you guys were standing at the plate, you’d never even see the pitch coming.
dcb
February 8th, 2013
8:07 am
Me thinks the dems and liberal news media complain too much. But then if you can’t attack the message, attack the messenger. Or maybe as the dems House leader is prone to say, “It’s just politics”.
hotdog
February 8th, 2013
8:08 am
Old Boy, I too am a Vietnam vet and I think McCain is using his status as a war hero to try to itimidate others. He has shown little love for his country, lately. Rather than standing up to those who would rather let our country fall from grace, he joins them in trying to embarrass Obama. I agree with an earlier post that stated that McCain was bitter because he was the first white man defeated by a black man for POTUS. It’s his own fault for choosing beauty over brains for VEEP!
Granny Godzilla
February 8th, 2013
8:10 am
dcb
February 8th, 2013
8:07 am
Me thinks the dems and liberal news media complain too much
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.
.
Lather, RInse, Repeat
Liberal Press?
Time Warner, Walt Disney, Viacom, News Corp., CBS Corporation and NBC Universal.
Liberal Press?
Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.
Very, very stupid.
Magna stupid.
Incredi-stupid.
straitroad
February 8th, 2013
8:12 am
Yet again Jay is critical and encourages personal attacks on someone with whom he disagrees, typical of the “tolerant” left. I’m no great fan of McCain, but I doubt he will lose sleep over what Jay or any number of dependents think of him.
Granny Godzilla
February 8th, 2013
8:15 am
who needs encouragement?
We’re talking John McCain…..
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 8th, 2013
8:15 am
Regarding the USPS:
So we will be the first generation to drop the ball on postal service? We are the first generation that can’t manage its finances in such a way as to keep a popular service going?
And yet we are such scaredy cats that we have to have a military that costs more than the next 28 countries combined? This Postal Service has been going on since 1775.
This isn’t God’s country. This is a country of weasels who would prefer to add one more dollar to their pockets than provide health care to the poor. I think the forefathers would have pulled the plug on this shipwreck twenty years ago.
kayaker 71
February 8th, 2013
8:17 am
“Angry and embittered”, my achin’ arse. McCain is just trying to get some answers to a tragic event that was handled with sophomoric efficiency by an inept team of State Dept personnel. Unlike Fast and Furious, Bozo can’t hide behind Executive Privilege. The facts are all out there for everyone to see. Hillary and others in State, along with Bozo and his gang of thieves screwed up. McCain just wants some answers to some very simple questions and he’s not getting them. That would make anyone “angry and embittered”.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
February 8th, 2013
8:19 am
Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)
February 8th, 2013
8:15 am
A HEARTY BRAVO!!!
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 8th, 2013
8:20 am
his status as a war hero
War hero? WTF? He got shot down and went to prison! I don’t think you understand the definition of “hero”. A lot of guys got shot down and ended up in prison camps. What does that entail that leads you to think of them as heroes? Did he put his life in jeopardy to save a bunch of other lives? Did he ever put the lives of others first ahead of his own?
By calling John McCain a “hero” you diminish the term as applied to thousands of others who served in our military and are able to rightfully claim the title.
Granny Godzilla
February 8th, 2013
8:20 am
Kayaker 71
If he wanted answers he should have not skipped the classified briefing…
It was his job to be there.
kayaker 71
February 8th, 2013
8:21 am
McCool, 8:20,
Tell us about your military service.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 8th, 2013
8:23 am
Remember, McCain got into Annapolis because his father and grandfather went there. McAin graduated near the bottom of his class. McCain was passed over for military advancement because the Admirals realized he was inept. Then the country passed him over for President because we saw he was inept.
He’s an inept, angry, bitter old man. Case closed.
kayaker 71
February 8th, 2013
8:25 am
McCool,
We’re waiting.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
February 8th, 2013
8:26 am
Kayaker,
You are just belly aching. You know as well as anyone that there was no time to respond without prior warning. We had nothing of value near enough to save lives, period, You want to blame the President and Hillary, fine, blame them but admit that you are blaming them because you don’t like them and what they stand for, and not for anything they could have or have not done. The truth is, was and forever will be that there was no time to save anyone, period!
Escaped from Email Purgatory
February 8th, 2013
8:26 am
@Finn McCool
Your brief treatise on the definition of ‘Hero’ is probably one of the stupidest things I’ve ever read in my life – and I subscribed to Newsweek for years.
That’s pitiful. You dont like McCain, fine. But don’t attempt to diminish his service to his country – you’re embarrassing yourself.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
February 8th, 2013
8:27 am
Kayaker,
I’ll tell you about my 23 years in the Navy when you tell us about yours…fair?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 8th, 2013
8:27 am
Hero:
noun, plural he•roes; for 5 also he•ros.
1.a man of distinguished courage or ability, admired for his bravedeeds and noble qualities.
2. A person who, in the opinion of others, has heroic qualities orhas performed a heroic act and is regarded as a model or ideal:He was a local hero when he saved the drowning child.
3. the principal male character in a story, play, film, etc.
4. Classical Mythology .
a. a being of godlike prowess and beneficence who often cameto be honored as a divinity.
b. (in the Homeric period) a warrior-chieftain of specialstrength, courage, or ability.
c. (in later antiquity) an immortal being; demigod.
5. hero sandwich.
McCain is number 5 above.
stands for decibels
February 8th, 2013
8:28 am
my achin’ arse
Say it loud
I’m butthurt and I’m proud
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 8th, 2013
8:30 am
So i guess the authorities overlooked McCain when they were passing out the Congressional Medal of Honor?
I mean, he saved countless lives by giving his own. His actions turned the tide of many battles. He rescued slews of other American soldiers.
TaxPayer
February 8th, 2013
8:30 am
I see all of the truth about McCain bothers some of our cons. Apparently cons are not interested in all of the truth.
kayaker 71
February 8th, 2013
8:31 am
Corbin, 8:27,
We’ll get to you in a minute. Just waiting for our armchair military expert to own up.
indigo
February 8th, 2013
8:32 am
escaped – 8:02
Those exact same words can be used to describe 9/11.
Odd, 4 get killed and cons are filled with righetous indignation.
3,000 get killed and all we hear from cons is THUNDERING SILENCE.
Granny Godzilla
February 8th, 2013
8:33 am
K71
“Just waiting for our armchair military expert to own up”.
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So you have abdicated?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 8th, 2013
8:33 am
JAY
The easiest way to get under you and other Libs skin is to say the word “Benghazi”. So what, your guy has a blemish on his record…the way this was handled after the fact was a mistake…we will never know if anything could have been done in advance to preclude the killings, but the way your guy and his posse handle this thing after the fact, raised legitimate suspicions.
Mick
February 8th, 2013
8:34 am
yaker
Anybody remember that summer memo to the president that said, “bin laden determined to attack in america?” The attorney general certainly took it seriously and stopped flying on commercial flights. Which in your opinion was a more lethal attack???
indigo
February 8th, 2013
8:36 am
kayaker 71 – 8:21
That is known as a non sequitur.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 8th, 2013
8:37 am
Duke Cunningham is a hero cause he shot down the North Vitnamese ace pilot (13 aerial kills) and kept him from killing more Americans. And that guy went on to resign from Congress due to scandal. He is still a hero.
What exactly did McCain do to earn respect in his military service? Huh? Nada?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 8th, 2013
8:38 am
“Benghazi”. So what, your guy has a blemish on his record
Better a 4 body blemish than a 3,000 body blemish?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 8th, 2013
8:40 am
And Stevie drives to the net of absurdity conspiracy with a blame Obama and others for their paranoia only to be stopped again by a lack of facts and evidence.
Sorry Stevie
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 8th, 2013
8:41 am
indigo
February 8th, 2013
8:32 am
The distinctions between those two events and your stated position couldn’t be more absurd. Why don’t you take a moment and compare and contrast the differences between the two events.
IMO, the issue here is that the administration actions after the event will forever appear disingenuous. This raised legitimate suspicions especially given the timing….it did happen on 911 so any suggestion it was ever a spontaneous event that just fortuitously happened on that particular date and in the 9th inning of an election year followed by blatant communication blunders, most rushed so quickly in a “don’t blame us” fashion we have come to expect, is at a minimum optical issue.
Why so defensive?
Mick
February 8th, 2013
8:42 am
**The easiest way to get under you and other Libs skin is to say the word “Benghazi”. **
Actually, it’s not that way at all, rather the opposite. Benghazi, the battle cry for the right just shows how far they need to reach to fabricate an event into something it wasn’t, a fool’s errand…
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 8th, 2013
8:43 am
Donald Trump weighs in: “Karl Rove is a total loser”
Your leaders are slamming your other leaders. when will all the angry bitterness subside?
DannyX
February 8th, 2013
8:43 am
“The easiest way to get under you and other Libs skin is to say the word “Benghazi”.”
Are you serious??? We mostly mock the Republican/Fox News attempt to blow this whole thing out of proportion.
BENGHAZI!!!
DownInAlbany
February 8th, 2013
8:44 am
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am…I think.
February 8th, 2013
8:26 am
General Dempsey, Chair of the Joint Chiefs, told the Senate today that the intelligence in the region and the amount of attacks prior to the attack on the US Special Mission in Benghazi, Libya, should have made it “crystal clear” to everyone involved that an attack on the annex was “imminent.”
Naw, there was no time to save anyone…
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 8th, 2013
8:45 am
it did happen on 911
Which would be any other day of the year if it wasn’t for the incompetent in office 11 years prior?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 8th, 2013
8:47 am
I watched Robin Meade this morning and didn’t hear any mention of Benghazi.
Of course she was wearing a very tight black sweater so I suppose any number of things probably got past me.
ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT
February 8th, 2013
8:47 am
Mclame is a hypocrite double talking panderer , he fits right in with the GOP.
Escaped from Email Purgatory
February 8th, 2013
8:48 am
@indigo -
I agree the hearings are largely political. Hence the reference to them in my earlier comments as a “circus”.
McCain – and others are posturing – or flailing away wildly trying to land a punch.
The wheels are off the GOP wagon. Enjoy it while it lasts.
My point was that you rarely hear liberals lament the Benghazi tragedy. But the unbecoming behavior of some Republicans attempting to exploit it for any political capital it might yield seems to be a subject of your never-ending derision and even a source of joy.
DownInAlbany
February 8th, 2013
8:50 am
Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)
February 8th, 2013
8:47 am
Of course she was wearing a very tight black sweater so I suppose any number of things probably got past me.
On this we can agree!
Redcoat
February 8th, 2013
8:51 am
And from the media……..cover, explanations, and attacks ? Benghazi…….? water-boarding vs lethal drones….? gun control……? immigration…….? bailouts…..? healthcare…..? economy…..? jobs……? unemployment……? tax increases……..? government spending and debt limits……….? ……..
DannyX
February 8th, 2013
8:52 am
“But the unbecoming behavior of some Republicans attempting to exploit it for any political capital it might yield seems to be a subject of your never-ending derision and even a source of joy.”
That is one of the best examples of twisted logic I have ever seen on this blog.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 8th, 2013
8:52 am
Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)
February 8th, 2013
8:38 am
Can you please offer some cogent comparisons between the two events that warrant naming the two in same sentence?
Are you really suggesting that it was Bush’s fault that 911 occurred?
That wasn’t his fault any more than Benghazi was your hero’s fault. The difference is in the latter, an election was in play and the “optics’ created post event raised legitimate concerns….
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 8th, 2013
8:53 am
My point was that you rarely hear liberals lament the Benghazi tragedy
kayaker 71
February 8th, 2013
8:53 am
Hey, McCool. So, tell us about your service to our country aside from being the expert on all things military. Viet Nam? Iraq? Afghanistan? Give us a run down, my man. You can thank McCain and guys like him that you even maintain the right to make stupid, asinine statements like you continue to do.
curious
February 8th, 2013
8:53 am
If anybody is to blame, it’s Ambassador Wilson. He was in country, in charge, and responsible for his personnel and facilities.
He put himself and others in harm’s way when he, above all, should have recognized the significance of the 9/11 anniversary. A prudent person would have maintained a low profile that day.
A more important question is how did the attackers know Ambassador Wilson was in Benghazi or was it just his bad fortune to be there that day.
Many posters here are just consumed by dislike of the administration and are about as senile as John McCain.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 8th, 2013
8:54 am
On “Diversion of Public Funds [due to corruption],” the U.S. ranks #34. On “Public Trust in Politicians,” we are #54. On “Irregular Payments and Bribes,” we are #42. On “Judicial Independence,” we are #38. On “Favoritism in Decisions of Government Officials” (otherwise known as governmental cronyism), we are #59.
On letting our bankers lie, cheat, and abuse us and then letting them rape and pillage our savings and retirement accounts while claiming they can’t be prosecuted we are #1.
Thomas
February 8th, 2013
8:54 am
http://cynthiatucker.com/2013/01/even-republican-voters-now-ready-to-support-immigration-reform.html
Ms. Tucker writes a column every other week or so generally with no followers.
Please help by logging in occasionally.
I am just here to help.
To all a great Friday. Be careful as carpal tunnel is real and it is lethal.
stands for decibels
February 8th, 2013
8:56 am
You mean like when Hillary cried talking about the families and the losses.
Insufficient grief. Our conservative friends are looking for something more like this, methinks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSWN6Qj98Iw
GT
February 8th, 2013
8:56 am
I never hear the question asked of how rag tag armies or gangs can time and time again fend off US troops and wreak havoc as we spend trillions and parade around like we are Hercules.
This is the question McCain should be asking himself. I watch all these boring self important old has been soldiers, who love the image, lay into people for having to defend an atmosphere of anti American across the globe these fantasy warriors have created. The description of shock and aw when what you have done is insight opposition that is willing to blow themselves up and a half dozen with them. The only people scared is us.
Now Mac wants us in Syria? Bud if you want freedom bad enough you don’t need our help, and our money. The real revolutionary forces seem to do just fine wreaking havoc blowing themselves up and making life miserable for all. Why do we need to waste our money on this and then we complain about feeding an American mother. What America need is an adult leadership not a grown man playing army on our dime.
TaxPayer
February 8th, 2013
8:56 am
An election was in play! Mission accomplished.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 8th, 2013
8:57 am
KEEP
McCain needs to exit stage right. The administration, even if they acted differently with threats, wouldn’t have stopped the event. It’s the way they ran the wrong direction with the ball after the fact with suspect timing.
Your all now getting so defensive as to compare this to 2001? Thanks for proving my point. I guess using drones to kill what some hidden committee deems an “imminent” threat a thousand miles away accepting any collateral damage in the process is ok as well.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 8th, 2013
8:57 am
You can thank McCain and guys like him
Do you thank the guys who turned yellow in the face of battle just as mush as you thank the guys who gave their lives to save others?
It sounds like you do. I have to question your judgement on everything else you write based on this inability to distinguish between a “hero” and a service member.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 8th, 2013
8:57 am
K71: You can thank McCain and guys like him that you even maintain the right to make stupid, asinine statements like you continue to do.
Well now there we have the explanation for why making stupid and asinine statements is the forte of the conned. They have someone to thank.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 8th, 2013
8:58 am
An election was in play! Mission accomplished.
So, if Benghazi hadn’t of happened Obama would have handed Mittens an even bigger arse whippin?
LOL.
Escaped from Email Purgatory
February 8th, 2013
8:59 am
@DannyX
Please enlighten me. I’m willing to learn.
RB from Gwinnett
February 8th, 2013
9:00 am
Well, it looks like we learned yesterday that after hearing of the consulate attack, our great leader Obama was so concerned for the lives of the people there he went to bed and never even asked for an update on what was happening.
But it OK, right liberals? Because he has a D by his name, he can do no wrong, and those weren’t your family members being attacked.
I’ll bet every last dam one of you liberals would be hiring a lawyer if your kid called 911 and some police chief took the same approach to saving them this administration took in Benghazi. Every last dam one of you.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 8th, 2013
9:00 am
GT, we spend more on military than the next 28 countries combined, we’ve been fighting wars for 11 straight years, and yet we haven’t won a single war since 1945.
Go figure.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 8th, 2013
9:00 am
GT
February 8th, 2013
8:56 am
Great point about McCain. Anyone who wants to send our troops into harms way based on anything that is currently happening in this world has screws loose or is in line for a lobbyist position with the defense department. Heck, we can’t even cut 5% out of the DoD less we become an easy target…
We are a warmongering nation…..
Joe Hussein Mama
February 8th, 2013
9:01 am
So this morning, on the Shut Up, Mika program, Senator Angus King of Maine brought up the same idea I posted a couple of days ago.
Have something akin to the FISA Courts where the administration can go and present their evidence against a citizen-allegedly-turned-terrorist that they want to target. If the court says yes, then said civilian can be targeted. If the court says no, then the individual cannot be directly or indirectly targeted (e.g. administration can’t bypass by targeting the guy’s radio operator/driver/cook/whatever).
This is what is done for secret wiretapping.
TBone
February 8th, 2013
9:01 am
Angry, old white RINOs, is that all you got? Why not cover the weather because Lord knows there is not anything meaningful going on in the world today.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 8th, 2013
9:02 am
RB thinks Obama could have hopped on a plane, flown to Benghazi, and saved those 4 people?
kayaker 71
February 8th, 2013
9:02 am
Well, it looks like our war hero certainly does no pan out to be McCool. Just some liberal blowhard with an axe to grind. Reminds me of a certain guy who occupies government housing on PA avenue.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
February 8th, 2013
9:03 am
DownInAlbany
February 8th, 2013
8:44 am
What the General said is like saying, “since it rained here yesterday, a thunderstorm is imminent today.
Like I said, you President Obama haters are not going to warp facts enough to convince anyone but yourselves.
Brosephus™
February 8th, 2013
9:05 am
Of course she was wearing a very tight black sweater so I suppose any number of things probably got past me.
Well damn… Just make me feel bad for not watching tv this morning.
Markoo
February 8th, 2013
9:05 am
Granny, if you don’t recall McCain disagreeing with Bush your head must be stuck up something, maybe a part of someone’s anatomy. Maybe try Google since your memory is lacking..
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 8th, 2013
9:06 am
Can anyone explain why this guy panetta claims a 60 billion cut (more like 10% I think) will have “catastrophic” impact on security and the like?
The Truth
February 8th, 2013
9:07 am
Where are the Benghazi truther Cons? I guess they won’t be coming around these parts since their conspiracy theories surrounding the Benghazi incident have been widely debunked by the military. So sad…
Vet
February 8th, 2013
9:07 am
Can’t blame McCain for being mad…most Americans know that this Benghazi attack is a bigger coverup than Watergate! Americans died while Obama slept thaat night in his cozy DC bed! Obama is more arrogant than Nixon ever was! The national news is a disgrace for covering this up and protecting the Chosen one! Most Americans in the know are mad and want justice!!
indigo
February 8th, 2013
9:08 am
Stevie Ray – 8:41
Conservatives say Benghazi was cause by Government infighting and incompetence.
Apparently, you don’t know that the same has been said about 9/11.
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=129135&page=1
DannyX
February 8th, 2013
9:09 am
“Can’t blame McCain for being mad…most Americans know that this Benghazi attack is a bigger coverup than Watergate!”
Fox News viewership does not equal most Americans.
RB from Gwinnett
February 8th, 2013
9:09 am
“RB thinks Obama could have hopped on a plane, flown to Benghazi, and saved those 4 people?”
An idiotic comment from an idiot with his head up Obama’s arse. Geez….
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 8th, 2013
9:09 am
Just make me feel bad for not watching tv this morning
I had to drag my son to school. I don’t think he even knows that he got dressed this morning.
My wife was rather embarrassed for us – but we don’t go that gagagoogoo very often.
Brosephus™
February 8th, 2013
9:10 am
Can anyone explain why this guy panetta claims a 60 billion cut (more like 10% I think) will have “catastrophic” impact on security and the like?
Thanks to the “genius” of the DC crowd, the group that doesn’t like federal workers have managed to get lots of things contracted out to defense contractors. Sometimes, these things are kinda essential to the operations of our people in uniform. Making those cuts will likely lead to cuts in contracting staff which may impact operations of those in uniform.
For some odd reason, instead of cutting out unwanted and/or unneeded weapons systems, those cuts will probably come from payroll and other things.
Mind you, that’s just my viewpoint, and it may not be the motivations or observations of Panetta.
DownInAlbany
February 8th, 2013
9:10 am
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am…I think.
February 8th, 2013
9:03 am
DownInAlbany
February 8th, 2013
8:44 am
What the General said is like saying, “since it rained here yesterday, a thunderstorm is imminent today.
Like I said, you President Obama haters are not going to warp facts enough to convince anyone but yourselves.
No, what he was saying was, any idiot would have known that an attack was about to take place. IF they had paid attention. I don’t hate, President Obama, but, I know when someone’s pissing on my boot and telling me that it’s raining. Unlike you, I don’t tow the party line.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 8th, 2013
9:11 am
I want to see Benghazi’s birth certificate, k? I think it was born in Africa.
Brosephus™
February 8th, 2013
9:11 am
Finn
JamVet
February 8th, 2013
9:12 am
There is some probability that the administration mishandled certain aspects of this tragedy. Most pro-war administrations generally do. But what is much more significant was the hateful, anti-American over-reaction of the die hard Republicans.
IMO, there is little doubt that Romney’s depraved response to the unfolding situation was the straw that broke his spineless back. And why he got annihilated in the most recent election.
That the cons here continue to run with his disgusting sentiment is mere evidence that the hyper-desperate for a win GOP is imploding right before our eyes.
Neoconservatism is dead. And it’s irrational fanatics are the being drowned in a bathtub of their own making.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 8th, 2013
9:14 am
Wwell you know that we have a government that can ONLY be managed by one person, the President. No one else is apparently competent to make decisions. Only the President. Much in the same way that CEOs make daily decisions about plant manufacturing operations and signs for all deliveries.
Personally, I don’t know if the President went to bed and what was already set. I do know that there are people that can wake him up if there is a critical decision needed and that there are lots of tasks to perform daily and as President of the country, there are many daily critical issues that require a great deal of attention. So yes, I hope that after making appropriate decisions regarding events and discussing it with his team, he got rest so that he could deal the next day. So pizza boy and others can have their silly fits of Chicken Little rage, once again, as they have so many times before.
Morality?
February 8th, 2013
9:14 am
After Obama and his #1 adviser Nanny Pelosi take YOU over the FISCAL CLIFF will you still be smiling or will you join McCain in the unhappy at the gub’ment club?
Morality?
February 8th, 2013
9:16 am
Obama was working on “important” issues like homosexual marriage and legalized drugs….. ain’t got time for little things like Benghazi.
Brosephus™
February 8th, 2013
9:18 am
banker Sheetzzzz!!!!!!
Granny Godzilla
February 8th, 2013
9:18 am
Markoo
February 8th, 2013
9:05 am
Granny, if you don’t recall McCain disagreeing with Bush your head must be stuck up something, maybe a part of someone’s anatomy. Maybe try Google since your memory is lacking..
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I did google it, and posted what I found…
and you?
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Mick
February 8th, 2013
9:19 am
morality
Yeah, like mcconnell and boehner have been taking us anywhere besides obstuction…
appleseed
February 8th, 2013
9:19 am
Makes you wonder how old TD,CC et al be?
Granny Godzilla
February 8th, 2013
9:19 am
Oh and Markoo
I believe your wording was “stood up to”….rather different than “disagree”
on the strength of chacter scale
DownInAlbany
February 8th, 2013
9:19 am
SEN. GRAHAM: Your testimony, as I understand it, Secretary Panetta, that you talked to the president of the United States one time.
SEC. PANETTA: I talked to him on Sept. 11 with regards to the fact that we were aware this attack was taking place.
SEN. GRAHAM: One time.
SEC. PANETTA: Right.
SEN. GRAHAM: What time did you tell him that?
SEC. PANETTA: I think that was approximately about 5 o’clock?
GEN. DEMPSEY: Yeah, about 5 o’clock.
SEC. PANETTA: About 5 o’clock.
SEN. GRAHAM: General Dempsey, did you ever talk to the president of the United States at all?
GEN. DEMPSEY: I was with the secretary when — at that same time.
SEN. GRAHAM: Did you talk to the president?
GEN. DEMPSEY: Yes.
SEN. GRAHAM: You talked to him how many times.
GEN. DEMPSEY: The same — one time.
SEN. GRAHAM: How long did the conversation last?
GEN. DEMPSEY: We were there in the office for probably 30 minutes.
SEN. GRAHAM: So you talked to him for 30 minutes, one time, and you never talked to him again, either one of you.
GEN. DEMPSEY: Until afterwards.
SEN. GRAHAM: Until after the attack was over.
GEN. DEMPSEY: That’s right.
SEN. GRAHAM: Thank you.
Were there any AC-130 gunships within a thousand miles of Benghazi, Libya?
GEN. DEMPSEY: No, sir.
SEN. GRAHAM: Were there any AC-130 gunships within 2,000 miles of Benghazi, Libya?
GEN. DEMPSEY: I have to go back and look at a map and figure out the distance.
Later in the hearing, Graham asked Panetta if he thought it was “typical” for a commander in chief to make no follow-up phone calls.
SEN. GRAHAM: Are you surprised that the president of the United States never called you, Secretary Panetta, and say, ‘how’s it going?’
SEC. PANETTA: I — you know, normally in these situations –
SEN. GRAHAM: Did he know the level of threat that –
SEC. PANETTA: Let — well, let me finish the answer. We were deploying the forces. He knew we were deploying the forces. He was being kept updated –
SEN. GRAHAM: Well, I hate to interrupt you, but I got limited time. We didn’t deploy any forces. Did you call him back — wait a minute –
SEC. PANETTA: No, but the event — the event was over by the time we got –
SEN. GRAHAM: Mr. Secretary, you didn’t know how long the attack would last. Did you ever call him and say, Mr. President, it looks like we don’t have anything to get there anytime soon?
SEC. PANETTA: The event was over before we could move any assets.
SEN. GRAHAM: It lasted almost eight hours. And my question to you is during that eight-hour period, did the president show any curiosity about how’s this going, what kind of assets do you have helping these people? Did he ever make that phone call?
SEC. PANETTA: Look, there is no question in my mind that the president of the United States was concerned about American lives and, frankly, all of us were concerned about American lives.
SEN. GRAHAM: With all due respect, I don’t believe that’s a credible statement if he never called and asked you, are we helping these people; what’s happening to them? We have a second round, and we’ll take it up then.
SEC. PANETTA: As a former chief of staff to the president of the United States, the purpose of staff is to be able to get that kind of information, and those staff were working with us.
SEN. GRAHAM: So you think it’s a typical response of the president of the United States to make one phone call, do what you can and never call you back again and ask you, how’s it going, by the way, showing your frustration we don’t have any assets in there to help these people for over seven hours?
SEC. PANETTA: The president is well-informed about what is going on. Make no mistake about it.
Can you say, AWOL? Naw, didn’t think so.
Gotta go pick up biscuits for my crew…enjoy!
RB from Gwinnett
February 8th, 2013
9:20 am
Keep, “Personally, I don’t know if the President went to bed and what was already set.”
If you don’t know that yet it’s only because you don’t WANT to know that. It’s been in the news enough that anybody who’s paying any attention at all knows.
Granny Godzilla
February 8th, 2013
9:28 am
So the President went to bed and was updated by his staff?
Got melodrama?
Was McCain up all night? Graham?
Puh-lease.
GT
February 8th, 2013
9:46 am
What burns me is they have time to run all this garbage up a flag pole and salute it but they can’t get any meaningful legislation out of Congress as this country spins in stagnation.
You want a war go after the fat cats that caused this recession. Put the cameras on their little games of systemic blood sucking the economy. Get tough with someone who is not in a food chain that can’t bite back, who in reality is your boss. You want to impress the country with how brave, how shock and aw you can be, blow some of your bad breath on Wall Street. Ten minutes with that would be 10 hours of this Republican grandstanding. The war is here mister and if you aren’t with us you are with them, which may explain why they ain’t in jail, and you are running a distraction to give them some cover.
Escaped from Email Purgatory
February 8th, 2013
9:54 am
Note to commenters: RINO is a derisive acronym used by hard core conservatives to describe republicans who are too liberal – please take the label “liberal” in the proper context. We’re talking about conservative republicans here.
Amazing how many commenters to Bookman’s blogs consider being white a cruel trick of Nature or a character flaw. That reminds me. It’s Black History Month so the Reverend Farrakhan will be making his annual appearances on BET, One and Bounce.
The Charmer believes white folks were invented by an evil scientist.
I’d wager that most who comment negatively about Fox News have rarely if ever watched it or visited the website.
The low information voter. The colony is growing. Heck, it’s thriving.
GT
February 8th, 2013
10:06 am
Farrakhan is as much a representative of black positions as is the white iconic David Duke. In fact I could indulge you in many a non representative of the white race such as the assassins of little children and every mass school yard shooting I can remember. But I am white and I am not represented by these people, as I am Georgian but consider Newt an immoral fool living off a following of immoral fools who contribute mightily to FOX’s success.
Now for FOX. Watch it all the time since I am getting too old for Saturday Night Live, pass my bedtime. What is more enjoyable than to watch Rove melt down into burning embers on election night or watch Morris get his matching papers last week. No station can hire blond bimbos like FOX, must have been where they got the name.
DownInAlbany
February 8th, 2013
10:10 am
Was McCain up all night? Graham?
Last time I checked, they neither was Commander-in-Chief!
Escaped from Email Purgatory
February 8th, 2013
10:17 am
@GT
Not the point. Check the images that roll passed when black-oriented networks recognize the exemplary during Black History Month.
If Farrakhan ain’t among the images presented, then this year will be the first time. Perhaps his inclusion is within a cautionary context – “Don’t be this guy!” Do you believe that?
Farrakhan is a sharp stick that gets poked in the eye of white folks dumb enough to care what he thinks. That’s his virtue. A guilty pleasure for some, you might say.
Relative to your comments about FOX, I’d argue if I could, but I think you’re correct.
But say whatever else you want about FOX News. I don’t think I’ve ever seen them celebrating David Duke
GT
February 8th, 2013
10:26 am
Got it and agree. I so use to people teeing off on ghost they imagine I have reflex response, sorry. In fact what you say Escape is dead on. Fear of the dark is what I call it; let the imagination run wild with fear and then parade around in the daylight like you are bad. Same people want to shock and aw us. I love that phase, shock and aw, sound more like what I see in Georgia than any enemy we have in the Middle East.
Donovan
February 8th, 2013
10:40 am
We have been over this ground before. We have our view of things and you close-minded Obama loyalists have your view of things. Since we have no faith in the views of your political spectrum, we have the luxury of looking at this Benghazi coverup and calamity with a jaundice eye and a more circumspect viewpoint.
The American consulate in Benghazi was probed and attacked in more than a half dozen incidents prior to the lethal attack. The British presence in Benghazi ended their diplomatic duties prior to the lethal attack, based on their violent encounters with Islamic radicals. The American consulate begged for more security numerous times before the lethal attack, but was denied for fear of looking weak against al Qaeda that was supposed to be on the run.
We now have statements from the Sec. of Defense and the Joint Chief that nothing could have been done and that they had no credible intel to warrant force protection. That is as much a pile of BS as ex-liar Sec. of State saying, “what’s the difference”. What we have here is plain and simple. We have a career Democrat politician heading up the Defense Derpartment, a career Army general covering his appointed rear end, and a career liar finding cover for her legacy. In civilian life, all these people involved would have been put in jail.
Any serious commander or serious politician would have taken the fore warnings about Benghazi and placed assets to deal with the probable threats and concerns. We have the luxury of placing an aircraft carrier on station for such reasons, but those reasons were not considered important by this regime. Help could have been in place, but was not. Dire results happened due to ineptness, irresponsibility, and bad management.
The mismanagement was handled with fabricated stories of a video, suppression of the story by the MSM, and the political correctness during an election campaign. You liberals know it and we know it.
It is crime that this happened and it is a crime that you liberals support. When I read that your reaction to this indictment boils down to chastising John McCain as just an angry old white man it flies in my face that you prefer to lend blind support for an injustice that happened to our very own foreign diplomats. Shame on you.
When you support the obvious bad decisions of your political party simply because you are Democrat voters, you are no better than the enemies that wish us harm. Your party leaders made bad decisions that got innocent people killed and you stand behind them shamefully in collusion. Your excuses and explanations are shameful. This is why we have problems with your ideas and agendas.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 8th, 2013
11:18 am
Like when Bush was in office we liberals looked under every rock trying to find a way to get him impeached. This is the Cons doing it to Obama.
I don’t think the answer is under this particular rock so you Cons might want to move on to the next rock.
Jon Soltz: Neocon Tantrums | Elm River Free Press
February 8th, 2013
2:32 pm
[...] Senator John McCain uses his time in a hearing with General Martin Dempsey to berate him for not indiscriminately bombing Libya in the hours after the attacks in Beghazi. This is the same [...]
Jon Soltz: Neocon Tantrums | Irascible Musings
February 8th, 2013
4:39 pm
[...] Senator John McCain uses his time in a hearing with General Martin Dempsey to berate him for not indiscriminately bombing Libya in the hours after the attacks in Beghazi. This is the same [...]
tomj
February 8th, 2013
5:04 pm
John McCain can not get over the fact that the American people soundly rejected him as president. Thinking that he was unqualified, lacking the judgement, character, credibility and integrity to be president. McCain is a hatemonger and no warmonger but he’s certainly is not a military or foreign affairs expert. The real experts even the republican experts like Gen, Colin Powell and Sen. Chuck Nagel refused to endorse McCain. Whick made McCain into a bitter jealous, revengeful vindictive old man. At McCain’s advance age he lacks the basic skills, knowledge, proficiency and temperament to understand today’s modern world. As long as the Republican party condones politicians likes John McCain, they will never win again. The leadership of the GOP should demand McCain’s
resignation /
http://pol.moveon.org/mccain10/thanks.html?id=-17340335-0gXtorx
http://rt.com/news/prime-time/vietnamese-dispute-mccain-torture-claim/
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/benson/
Jon Soltz: Neocon Tantrums | Political Ration
February 8th, 2013
6:09 pm
[...] Senator John McCain uses his time in a hearing with General Martin Dempsey to berate him for not indiscriminately bombing Libya in the hours after the attacks in Beghazi. This is the same [...]
tomj
February 8th, 2013
10:06 pm
John McCain is just a bitter, jealous, hateful, revengeful, warmonger. Retire McCain let the “REAL” military and foreign affairs experts take over.
G. Washington
February 11th, 2013
3:33 pm
John McCain is no longer fit to serve this country in any capacity. A bitter, partisan hack who continually puts party above nation in pursuit of some sort of retribution for his failed political career. McCain lays in a bed of disgrace because those are the fleas he surrounds himself with.