GOP’s most daunting challenge is among the young
The political story of the week, month and probably the year continues to be the plight of the Republican Party and its belated effort to break its dependence on white, older Americans.
That’s why RNC Chair Reince Priebus is here in Atlanta, the capitol of black America, seeking input on how to reach African Americans. It’s also why U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio will be giving the GOP response to President Obama’s State of the Union address next week, and is leading a Republican effort to resolve its immigration challenge.
But Stu Rothenberg, writing in Roll Call, lays out what may be the most daunting challenge of all. As he notes, the GOP does very, very well among older voters, particularly older white voters. It does so well, in fact, that by rights it ought to be winning national elections easily:
“Romney … easily beat Obama among voters 45 and older, many of whom came of age politically during the Reagan years or whose views were formed by the Gipper’s brand of conservatism…. he won whites 65 years and older by 61 percent to 39 percent and whites 45-64 by 61 percent to 38 percent.”
But among young voters? Let’s take a look at how GOP presidential candidates have done among the general electorate, compared to how they’ve done among those aged 18-29:
As the chart indicates, among young voters, the GOP is significantly underperforming both its overall numbers and its historic numbers among the young.
Think of it this way: In 1984, Ronald Reagan got 59 percent of the 18-29 vote, and today, 28 years later, many of those young Reagan voters continue to think of themselves as Reagan Republicans and continue to vote that way. Many of those reading this are probably part of that demographic, and had their political views and loyalties formed in that era.
Fast-forward 24 years. In 2008, President Obama got 66 percent of the 18-29 vote, and last year he got 60 percent. When you start doing that cycle after cycle, you build an advantage that is hard to overcome. These are people who are going to be voting for the next half-century.
– Jay Bookman
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the dog
February 7th, 2013
9:28 am
My son has voted in 2 presidential elections, democrat both times. We raised him to be color blind, respectful of women and tolerant of other’s beliefs. Republicans should try it sometime and not alwayse be the party of No and Hate.
USinUK - former Girl Scout
February 7th, 2013
9:32 am
“As the chart indicates, among young voters, the GOP is significantly underperforming its overall numbers”
keep regulating young girls’ uteruses and telling people who can/can’t marry and, lo and behold, the young-uns won’t like you.
seeeemples.
Who was the "Real" Mitt Romney?
February 7th, 2013
9:35 am
If someone could have answered that question for the 18-29 year old crowd, Mitt probably could have pulled more of that vote. They were confused!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxch-yi14BE
bookman parrot
February 7th, 2013
9:35 am
the young are easily b.s.ed into thinking lib is good, when in fact it is not.
Bob
February 7th, 2013
9:36 am
Hey dog, sometimes you need a party of no. Your kid will be paying a hefty price for money spent by the people that can’t say no. Your kid will be paying for the Ponzi built by the politicians of today.
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
February 7th, 2013
9:39 am
Trending up. If the GOP puts up any candidate just bit hipper than McCain or Romney, the gap will disappear overnight. Especially if the “hipness” comparison is with Clueless Joe or Old Lady Clinton.
Maximum
February 7th, 2013
9:40 am
The Republicans have painted themselves into an ideological corner. It’s bound to be a little messy as they try to find their way back towards the center, if they can indeed find the political will to make that happen.
Paul
February 7th, 2013
9:40 am
Implementing long-term, strategic thinking within a group with strong elements who seem fixated on near-term ‘victories’ and implementing social agendas is going to be quite a challenge.
Road Scholar
February 7th, 2013
9:41 am
But but but….Wasn’t Reagan a RINO?
Bob
February 7th, 2013
9:41 am
2012 Tax Return
I just received my tax return for 2012 back from the IRS. It puzzles me!!!
They are questioning how many dependents I claimed.
I guess it was because of my response to the question: “List all dependents?”
I replied: 12 million illegal immigrants;
3 million crack heads;
42 million unemployed people on food stamps,
2 million people in over 243 prisons;
Half of Mexico ;
and 535 persons in
the U.S. House and Senate.”
Evidently, this was NOT an acceptable answer.
I KEEP ASKING MYSELF, WHO THE HELL DID I MISS?
TaxPayer
February 7th, 2013
9:41 am
the young are easily b.s.ed into thinking lib is good, when in fact it is not.
Could you be a little more liberal with the supporting “fact” because I couldn’t find it anywhere in your statement.
Thomas
February 7th, 2013
9:41 am
I find it interesting that the (liberal) media is focused on telling the RNC what it needs to do.
I would think when the competition is being stupid let them continue being stupid.
ATL Tiger
February 7th, 2013
9:42 am
I think the GOP is going to split in the next 5-10 years. One faction will remain similar to what we see today, the other (I hope) will morph into a quasi-libertarian platform. There is no doubt that a significant number of us agree with libertarian principles (especially among the young), we just vote for the bigger government parties.
TaxPayer
February 7th, 2013
9:42 am
Perhaps an audit of Bob’s return would help him to better understand the questions.
Peadawg
February 7th, 2013
9:43 am
“the young are easily b.s.ed into thinking lib is good, when in fact it is not.”
Amen to that!!! I was b.s.ed into thinking the GOP actually cared up until about 2 or 3 years ago. But all they care about is hate mongering, discriminating, and the rich.
USinUK - former Girl Scout
February 7th, 2013
9:44 am
Bob – if you’re going to cut-n-paste, you can at least give appropriate credit for your meme
TaxPayer
February 7th, 2013
9:45 am
There is no doubt that a significant number of us agree with libertarian principles (especially among the young), we just vote for the bigger government parties.
I doubt that.
Simple Truths
February 7th, 2013
9:46 am
“Jay’s political story of the week, month and probably the year continues to be the plight of the Republican Party and its belated effort to break its dependence on white, older Americans.”
There, Jay. Fixed your typo.
Bob
February 7th, 2013
9:46 am
Being a liberal is a good thing. You can whine when the leader of the opposing party eaves drops on cell phone calls from suspected terrorists and claim you have an interest in the all important 4th amendment. When you then learn your party’s leader kills an American citizen you can then act like you have never heard of the fourth amendment. Lifes a beach, conservative evesdrooper bad, liberal American killing president good.
Peadawg
February 7th, 2013
9:48 am
Peadawg
February 7th, 2013
9:43 am
Just realized I misread what I quoted…but my point still stands. Young people usually believe what their parents believe until they old enough to figure it out themselves.
Granny Godzilla
February 7th, 2013
9:48 am
godless heathen
Joe and Hillary are simply “naturals” with the young.
I can’t believe you don’t see it.
Simple Truths
February 7th, 2013
9:48 am
I think the political story of the week, month, and probably year will be the economy and the debt ceiling.
kayaker 71
February 7th, 2013
9:49 am
I wonder how many of these 18-29 yr old voters who voted for Bozo know who our present Vice President is? Many are products of American Idol or some sit com TV show or perhaps Kim and her gun problems. However, many don’t have a clue about how Bozo and his gang of thieves are spending this country into a third world status and could care less. Bozo is cool. He is not some old white guy like Romney. Bozo speaks their language. Hell, he appears on Letterman with Bozoette, he is hip and really cool. And he plays that image to a crowd who probably can’t tell you the difference between the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights. But Bozo is cool, especially to the rapper crowd and that kid in Chicago with his pants down around his ankles. If diversity means pandering to this group, you can have it.
Simple Truths
February 7th, 2013
9:50 am
Peadawg @9:48
Dude, did you just reply to yourself? That is a neat trick!
Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
9:50 am
The left ignores the debt crises and its probable effect on voting trends in the not too distant future. Younger voters tend to be focused more on social issues and the Democrats have exploited that focus successfully, however, as the economy continues to stumble as it likely will social issues will become far less important across the entire electorate including younger voters.
Peadawg
February 7th, 2013
9:51 am
“Dude, did you just reply to yourself? That is a neat trick!”
Not exactly a trick…just copied and pasted the name, date, and time from the left.
barking frog
February 7th, 2013
9:51 am
There’s no fool like an old fool…….
TaxPayer
February 7th, 2013
9:51 am
According to one of those well known Republican principles, the reason Republicans cannot attract the young vote is quite simple: The young voter is able to shut down that part of the body at will that would otherwise respond positively to Republican advances.
curious
February 7th, 2013
9:52 am
kayaker 71
Your use of the terms “Bozo and Bozoette” is an indication of your lack of self esteem.
larry
February 7th, 2013
9:52 am
Hey Bob, amongst your cut and paste , you forgot someone to claim.
Yourself.
Your welcome.
Peadawg
February 7th, 2013
9:53 am
“Younger voters tend to be focused more on social issues”
Not exactly. Younger voters don’t usually care about social issues (i.e. they don’t care what someone does in their bedroom, etc.). That’s why they tend to not vote GOP who usually puts social issues at the front of their campaign.
Mick
February 7th, 2013
9:53 am
With leaders like dunce priebus, mitch mcconnell, the boehner, and paul ryan, what chance do they really have? All of their “conservative” principles were tried out in our first decade of the new milennium, how did that work out?
Joe Hussein Mama
February 7th, 2013
9:53 am
TaxPayers — “The young voter is able to shut down that part of the body at will that would otherwise respond positively to Republican advances.”
The electorate has ways of determining whether or not it’s dealing with a “legitimate” political party. If not, it can shut that whole thing down.
weetamoe
February 7th, 2013
9:54 am
In 2008 the Journolist message was let’s call them all racist. In 2010 the Journolist message was let’s call the TEA party racist. Ezra Klein was promoted directly from college to Journolist to Washington Post. His buddies Dave Weigel, Matt Iglesias and others with their close connections to ABC and CBS reporters are princes of the Obama Ministry of Information. There was just one Goebbels; the democrats have dozens. Their calumnies have been successful so far. But we will all end up in the same smoking rubble.
Beefcake
February 7th, 2013
9:54 am
I was raised colorblind (and still am) and in my younger days (Yea, I graduated from college) I was a communistic wannabe, too. Wasn’t it Churchill who said something to the effect that when you’re young if you’re not lefty you don’t have a heart & when you get more mature if you can’t see through the Lefty propaganda you don’t have a brain?
So true also I find the ol’ sayin’ young & dum & full of….(you know the rest) has never been more true with an ever compliant media trumpeting their own horn.
USinUK - former Girl Scout
February 7th, 2013
9:54 am
“I wonder how many of these 18-29 yr old voters who voted for Bozo know who our present Vice President is?”
like I said downstairs, nothing wins over the electorate quite like calling ‘em stupid.
larry
February 7th, 2013
9:55 am
Funny, when Reagan was president and i was worried about paying back all the spending he was doing , i was told not to worry about.
I said i’m going to have to pay all of this back one day.
All the Repubs just laughed.
Jay
February 7th, 2013
9:56 am
Simple, despite their belligerent rhetoric of a month or two ago, the Republicans have lost all stomach for a debt-ceiling fight. They realized they were writing checks with their mouth that they did not dare try to cash … so to speak.
curious
February 7th, 2013
9:57 am
Who was that guy who said “Deficits don’t matter” ?
Lord Help Us
February 7th, 2013
9:57 am
‘however, as the economy continues to stumble as it likely will social issues will become far less important across the entire electorate including younger voters.’
What if you are wrong…again…
ByteMe - Got ilk?
February 7th, 2013
9:57 am
In response to this “daunting challenge”, Indiana Republicans want to make it illegal for any student paying out-of-state tuition to vote in Indiana. That should help!
larry
February 7th, 2013
9:57 am
like I said downstairs, nothing wins over the electorate quite like calling ‘em stupid.
Or putting out candidates that they dont connect with. Like Paul Broun.
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 7th, 2013
9:58 am
The youth are not interested in Republican-Brand Geezer Conservatism.
Nor in the Democrat-Brand Free Government Cheese Violent Drone Murder Police-State Progressives.
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Ron Paul out-polled Obama leading up to the 2012 elections.
He might be gone from public office but his message of Liberty gains in popularity.
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I’m sorry for you Authoritarians.
It just won’t sell to the youth.
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Thank God.
Granny Godzilla
February 7th, 2013
9:59 am
Beefcake
February 7th, 2013
9:54 am
I was raised colorblind (and still am) and in my younger days (Yea, I graduated from college) I was a communistic wannabe, too. Wasn’t it Churchill who said something to the effect that when you’re young if you’re not lefty you don’t have a heart & when you get more mature if you can’t see through the Lefty propaganda you don’t have a brain?
So true also I find the ol’ sayin’ young & dum & full of….(you know the rest) has never been more true with an ever compliant media trumpeting their own horn.
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Actually that Churchill quote is FALSE. He never said it. Ever.
And
Winston was a conservative as a young man and became…..liberal as he grew older.
Meme busters!
larry
February 7th, 2013
9:59 am
Who was that guy who said “Deficits don’t matter” ?
Why that was Mr. Cheney.
But Obama made him say it!
Joe Hussein Mama
February 7th, 2013
10:00 am
ByteMe — “In response to this “daunting challenge”, Indiana Republicans want to make it illegal for any student paying out-of-state tuition to vote in Indiana. That should help!”
That’s pretty *stupid,* actually, considering that one of the things that helps you establish in-state residency (so you can pay in-state tuition and fees) is registering to vote in the state where you’re going to school.
Cart before the horse.
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
10:03 am
kayaker 71 – “However, many don’t have a clue about how Bozo and his gang of thieves are spending this country into a third world status and could care less.”
Awwww……poor boo boo. When are your parents coming to get you?
MANGLER
February 7th, 2013
10:03 am
Well with the way the conservative couch-pundits refer to the youth, it is any wonder they would vote more liberal? Why would they want to align themselves with a group that thinks so little of them? At no point has anyone with conservative leaning commentary suggested shoring up education and support for the youth outside of dismantling public schooling and sending that money directly into private schools that are built in wealthier white christian neighborhoods. Yeah, that’s really going to get the support of the demographic you have little support from.
williebkind
February 7th, 2013
10:03 am
Young voters vote by what the main stream media blasts across the airways. Composed by liberals that make up emotional lies then send it across the nation using the media. Most young people can not tell you who is their senator, their governor, or their mayor. They have no idea what is going on and never will until someone tells them no. They will gang together any cause that is against the status quo whether it is harmful or not.
Thogwummpy
February 7th, 2013
10:04 am
Gee, the young are the least competent, with the least life experience, with less ability to understand the complex consequences of decisions. And they’re the most easily prone to be seduced by silly idealistic fantasies. So OF COURSE they’re going to lean liberal….because demographically, they don’t know any better yet. Once they get a job and strap on some obligations and responsibilities, like raising a family and meeting a household budget (let alone planning long term for retirement), or buying a home….well, all that childish nonsense SHOULD fade away. However, some kids never reach adulthood character, and passionately hold fast to kindergarten perspectives. Some become President, and some get an AJC column….right Mr. Bookman? People who accept personal responsibility—which usually is a trait that arrives with the experience of work and age—-don’t tend to vote Parasite…I mean Dem-oron…I mean for Obama.
joe
February 7th, 2013
10:04 am
Members of today’s NINJA generation (which stands for No Income, No Job) are exactly the ones who should look to the GOP. With the way our administration is spending our country into oblivion, it’s the youth who will bear that cost. Maybe not the college kids of today, but certainly the kids in middle/elementary school. Throw in Obamacare and you have small businesses cutting jobs to get under the 50 employee threshold.
So, youth of America, time to wake up for it is you who will be paying the piper…
HDB
February 7th, 2013
10:04 am
Republicans fail to give young people credit for voting FOR someone that has their best interests in mind!! When Republicans want to make it more difficult for a young person to get financing for higher education whereas Obama and the Democrats have made it…and repayment….a bit easier…that’s a policy that young people can follow! When the Republicans have refused to put forth a jobs program in this economy…and have stymied the Democrats when they put forth their economic ideas to stimulate the economy…..that’s a policy that young people DO follow…….
Skip
February 7th, 2013
10:05 am
So it’s the Dems fault the Cons lost? Is that what I hear here?
Jay
February 7th, 2013
10:05 am
“Have you thought that the only reason obama won was because of voter fraud and busing minority’s to the polls in exchange for a hamburger and fries???”
The GOP’s problem, epitomized and personalized. Mr. Priebus, I think you need to see this.
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
10:05 am
williebkind – “Young voters vote by what the main stream media blasts across the airways. Composed by liberals that make up emotional lies then send it across the nation using the media.”
I see, and insulting them is your plan to get them to vote GOP? Good luck with that.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
10:05 am
… the Obama Ministry of Information.
Frank Luntz says, “What?”
kayaker 71
February 7th, 2013
10:06 am
If pandering to the stupid is where elections are going in this country, we are doomed. When the govt paying for your birth control pill is more important than your second amendment rights, we don’t have much of a future. When no one seems to care about all of the lies that have come from the last four years and just takes it as a matter of course that nearly 8% are still unemployed and we have a debt that is over 16T dollars, we are expected to take this as the new norm. When Iran trots out it new nuclear warhead and some raghead Muslim in Iran rejects overtures for talks with our country, all of those American Idol viewers just sit back and feel secure, knowing that Mr. Cool will handle everything. Damn, I feel better already.
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
February 7th, 2013
10:06 am
Joe and Hillary are simply “naturals” with the young.
I can’t believe you don’t see it.
gg made a funny. Clean-up on gh’s video screen!
Recon 0311 2533
February 7th, 2013
10:06 am
What if you are wrong…again…
Well you took the time to read my post and then to make the above comment, which tells me that you didn’t like what I said, which also tells me you’re not certain I’m wrong.
Skip
February 7th, 2013
10:06 am
Joe, Cons control the House. You must not know what that means.
ATL Tiger
February 7th, 2013
10:07 am
“Most young people can not tell you who is their senator, their governor, or their mayor. They have no idea what is going on and never will until someone tells them no. They will gang together any cause that is against the status quo whether it is harmful or not.”
Definitely a true statement, and a sad one as well.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
February 7th, 2013
10:07 am
Ron Paul out-polled Obama leading up to the 2012 elections.
Aaahhh hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
ROTFLOL!!!
Please stop.
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
10:07 am
Thogwumpy – “Gee, the young are the least competent, with the least life experience, with less ability to understand the complex consequences of decisions.”
Wow, how is it your party is becoming obsolete?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
10:07 am
Gee, the young are the least competent, with the least life experience, with less ability to understand the complex consequences of decisions. And they’re the most easily prone to be seduced by silly idealistic fantasies.
The Reagan youth of the 80s say, “What?”
JP
February 7th, 2013
10:07 am
“…break its dependence on white, older Americans.”
After all, white, older Americans don’t count and are second-class citizens in Jay’s narrow worldview.
Liberals are “selling” abortion, homosexuality, and socialism as their vision for remaking America.
The GOP needs to embrace Objective Truth (and not relativistic Liberal lies), and people will start coming to their senses.
As Bill Whittle put it, “The conservative idea of America is that we’re a nation of steely-eyed missile men with our eyes on a far horizon. The future is unlimited, there’s nothing we cant do. We have the power to vaporize any building in the world at our leisure. We have footprints and a flag on the moon. We believe in the power of the human mind and human creativity, human inventiveness, hard work, imagination. We believe that everyone should live like they have 250 million dollars. We believe it’s time for you to step off, get out of our face, don’t tell us what to do. You have a right to live the way you want to in America. That’s our message.
And what’s their [Liberal] message? What is their vision for humanity’s future on this progressive left we find ourselves against? Their vision of a future for America is a bunch of people sitting around in thatch huts, sitting around a burning cow pie, pulling parasites off of each other, eating their sustainable algae cakes, and having organic bake sales to raise money for the Guatemalan water snake.”
Beefcake
February 7th, 2013
10:07 am
It’s still a good thought although never “quoted” EVERYthing is bass ackwards
Granny Godzilla
February 7th, 2013
10:08 am
williebkind
February 7th, 2013
10:03 am
Young voters vote by what the main stream media blasts across the airways. Composed by liberals that make up emotional lies then send it across the nation using the media. Most young people can not tell you who is their senator, their governor, or their mayor. They have no idea what is going on and never will until someone tells them no. They will gang together any cause that is against the status quo whether it is harmful or not.
****And Thogwumpy too
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Yep, insult the electorate you hope to gain
PROCEED Guv’ner
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
10:08 am
joe – “Throw in Obamacare and you have small businesses cutting jobs to get under the 50 employee threshold.”
Why would small businesses want to open themselves up to the penalites being drafted right now to keep them from doing just that?
Find Muck
February 7th, 2013
10:08 am
So nhit
Joe Hussein Mama
February 7th, 2013
10:09 am
I like how the cons’ collective explanation of the 2012 election can be boiled down into a single image: that of an old man, shaking his cane at the neighborhood 18-year-olds and shouting YOU G****MN KIDS at the top of his lungs.
barking frog
February 7th, 2013
10:09 am
Republicans offer the young opposition to:
Social Security
Medicare
gay marriage
abortion
Medicaid
gun control
immigration reform
How can they resist ?
ByteMe - Got ilk?
February 7th, 2013
10:09 am
As Bill Whittle put it, “The conservative idea of America is that we’re a nation of steely-eyed missile men with our eyes on a far horizon. The future is unlimited, there’s nothing we cant do. We have the power to vaporize any building in the world at our leisure
‘Cause, you know, blowing up real buildings is what turns the kids on.
Lord Help Us
February 7th, 2013
10:09 am
‘which also tells me you’re not certain I’m wrong.’
Brilliant, Einsteen…notice the words, ‘What if’ in my sentence.
the dog
February 7th, 2013
10:10 am
My son and I get our news and information from many different sources. Calling college age students dumb and stupid just reinforces their belief in the democratic party. My son would also be appalled at someone like Kayaker spewing lies and hate in the name of the republican party. The party of stupid just does not get it and I am not sure they ever will.
Granny Godzilla
February 7th, 2013
10:10 am
godless heathen – owner of many things he does not need
February 7th, 2013
10:06 am
Joe and Hillary are simply “naturals” with the young.
I can’t believe you don’t see it.
gg made a funny. Clean-up on gh’s video screen!
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funny, charming, delightful and strong…..
Yes Hillary and Joe are naturals with young people.
now clean up your screen – it is cold and flu season
kayaker 71
February 7th, 2013
10:12 am
JP, 10:07,
Right on. Damn, what vision.
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 7th, 2013
10:12 am
ByteMe – Got ilk?
February 7th, 2013
10:07 am
Ron Paul out-polled Obama leading up to the 2012 elections.
Aaahhh hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
ROTFLOL!!!
Please stop.
———————————————
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Among the youth he did.
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I know that that frightened you so much that you blotted it out of your mind but………………..reality is a biatch.
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One must confront it.
kayaker 71
February 7th, 2013
10:14 am
Bookman,
Called the GOAL people yet?
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
10:14 am
From the comments so far, I can only surmise that the GOP approach to winning over the youth of America is to stand before them and yell
“HEY, YOU IDIOT LOSERS, WHY DON’T YOU WAKE UP AND PULL YOUR COLLECTIVE HEADS OUT OF YOUR MUSLIM LOVING, OBAMA WORSHIPING, ENTITLEMENT SUCKING, IMMIGRANT KISSING A$$, AND JOIN THE PARTY THAT REALLY UNDERSTANDS AND CARES ABOUT YOU!”.
I’m sure the kids will come a runnin.
massachusetts refugee
February 7th, 2013
10:15 am
JB’s near obsession with all things GOP is getting old. I think I’ll join jamvet in a timeout. see ya…
ByteMe - Got ilk?
February 7th, 2013
10:15 am
Among the youth he did.
Show your cards, Ace. Straight-up, Ron Paul vs. Obama in a poll of those under 30. Go for it.
Brosephus™
February 7th, 2013
10:15 am
When you start doing that cycle after cycle, you build an advantage that is hard to overcome. These are people who are going to be voting for the next half-century.
Not necessarily. I think it’s more of a matter of which party better represents the middle. When the GOP ran 5 of 6 popular votes on the Dems, the GOP better appealed to the middle. Now, the roles are reversed. There’s nothing to show that things won’t change again. However, the time it takes for the pendulum to swing back is limited by the time it takes for the GOP to quit trying to out conservative itself.
Jay
February 7th, 2013
10:15 am
kayaker, I left a very simple, straightforward explanation of your mistake on the previous thread. If you refuse to read it or cannot comprehend it, I cannot help you further.
the dog
February 7th, 2013
10:15 am
An educated, well read voter is the repulican nightmare.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
10:17 am
kayaker, I left a very simple, straightforward explanation of your mistake on the previous thread.
Actually it’s two floors down.
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 7th, 2013
10:18 am
Obama…………after eight years of misery ……..will be the same buzz-kill to the smart youth ,
as Bush Boi was to decent Americans who valued constitutional-respecting Small government personal liberty proponents.
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May the DemoRepugs RIP………..not.
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
10:18 am
Why do I envision kayaker 71 sitting in his living room after the election grumbling ” we would have gotten away with it, if it hadn’t been for those meddling kids!”.
Dirty Dawg
February 7th, 2013
10:18 am
Thank goodness that more and more young folks don’t buy into what the GOP is…Greed, Obstruction and Prejudice. And your ‘Saint’ Ronnie has been exposed for the evil, easily manipulated, horror of a man that not enough of us knew all along. Of course Georgia won’t be ‘coming around’ any time soon since we’re so deep in the ‘cognitive dissonance’ hole, and we’ve put so many of the Broun/Gingrey/Westmoreland/etc. in office…and that with Gerrymandering and a weakened Democratic Party, the Repugs won’t have any real competition for the foreseeable future.
Moderate Line
February 7th, 2013
10:19 am
If there is 10 point margin for Republicans with the young then there is gap for the old for the Democrats. The number is 6 for those 64 and over. Also not the percentage of young voters is ever decreasing while the percentage of old people is increasing.
Brosephus™
February 7th, 2013
10:19 am
Gee, the young are the least competent, with the least life experience, with less ability to understand the complex consequences of decisions. And they’re the most easily prone to be seduced by silly idealistic fantasies. So OF COURSE they’re going to lean liberal….because demographically, they don’t know any better yet.
Damn, I must have been one truly f**ked up kid then. Seems as though I’m backwards of what I supposed to be. I supported and or followed more conservative candidates when I was younger. As I’ve gained more experience, I’ve tended to see things more in terms of everyone around me and not just being selfish for myself. I used to not give a crap about people as I was only worried about what was in it for me. Now, I realize that the decisions I make tend to affect those around me, and not always in a positive manner.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 7th, 2013
10:20 am
B. Cassidy — “grumbling ” we would have gotten away with it, if it hadn’t been for those meddling kids!”.
Jinkies!
TaxPayer
February 7th, 2013
10:21 am
I think it’s settled then. Republicans don’t need to change a thing. They just need to work on presentation. I suggest some of that new technology that screens a room for hidden cameras to start with.
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 7th, 2013
10:21 am
ByteMe – Got ilk?
February 7th, 2013
10:15 am
Among the youth he did.
Show your cards, Ace. Straight-up, Ron Paul vs. Obama in a poll of those under 30. Go for it.
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You’re obviously confusing me with some sort of Obama-Bot or Chris Rock.
I Take orders from no one and Obama , unlike you, is NOT my daddy.
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look it up yourself.
(but maybe I should be more precise…..Ron Paul ..when polled AGAINST Obama outperformed all other Repg candidates. On many polls in 2011, he tied.)
Doggone/GA
February 7th, 2013
10:22 am
“Also not the percentage of young voters is ever decreasing while the percentage of old people is increasing.”
ummmm…in case you haven’t noticed, the young have a MUCH longer potential voting “lifespan” than to the old
Granny Godzilla
February 7th, 2013
10:23 am
TaxPayer
February 7th, 2013
10:21 am
I think it’s settled then. Republicans don’t need to change a thing. They just need to work on presentation. I suggest some of that new technology that screens a room for hidden cameras to start with.
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Re-gifting?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
10:23 am
but maybe I should be more precise…..Ron Paul ..when polled AGAINST Obama outperformed all other Repg candidates.
Translation: Let me pick up this goalpost and move it somewhere else.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
February 7th, 2013
10:24 am
look it up yourself.
(but maybe I should be more precise…..Ron Paul ..when polled AGAINST Obama outperformed all other Repg candidates. On many polls in 2011, he tied.)
Which is to say that you made a claim and then can’t back it up, so you move the goalposts. Way to win converts!
Brosephus™
February 7th, 2013
10:24 am
Most young people can not tell you who is their senator, their governor, or their mayor. They have no idea what is going on and never will until someone tells them no.
Once again, me and my ass backwards self… Not only did I know who was in which office, I personally knew a few of the state legislators when I was growing up. When I was in college, I’d pop up in the hotel where some of them stayed just to catch up on things.
Seems like I had an effed up childhood. I missed out on a lot of laziness and crap where I could have been sorry as hell instead of working full time through my last two years of high school and college. If only I had a time machine.
Simple Truths
February 7th, 2013
10:25 am
Jay @ 9:56
“the Republicans have lost all stomach for a debt-ceiling fight. They realized they were writing checks with their mouth that they did not dare try to cash … so to speak.”
While what you say is true, I disagree that the GOP mutation will be the top political story. I think it will center around the economy and money issues.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 7th, 2013
10:25 am
T. Heyward — “look it up yourself.”
In other words, it’s just something you think or believe — not something you can actually prove.
Stats or it didn’t happen.
TaxPayer
February 7th, 2013
10:29 am
Re-gifting?
You’d think they would at least invest in a pretty bow or perhaps some new wrapping paper.
HDB
February 7th, 2013
10:29 am
JP
February 7th, 2013
10:07 am
“After all, white, older Americans don’t count and are second-class citizens in Jay’s narrow worldview.”
As an electoral bloc, older, white Americans are declining in voting power! That’s just the demographic nature of the changing nation!! They gave Romney the same percentage they gave Bush 43…but they LOST!! They can’t be second-class citizens because their vote counted just as much as anyone elses!
Granny Godzilla
February 7th, 2013
10:29 am
Bro
Me too…spent the first ever Earth day on a team with Senator Adlai Stevenson cleaning up
the along the banks of the Chicago river…..I was 14
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 7th, 2013
10:29 am
ByteMe – Got ilk?
February 7th, 2013
10:24 am
look it up yourself.
(but maybe I should be more precise…..Ron Paul ..when polled AGAINST Obama outperformed all other Repg candidates. On many polls in 2011, he tied.)
Which is to say that you made a claim and then can’t back it up, so you move the goalposts. Way to win converts!
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Hey————–this is the Obamanation dawg.
.rules and regs are for losers, those with jobs, and soccer players.
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See Drones
Mick
February 7th, 2013
10:30 am
Republicans are the villians, every good drama needs a villian. It’s just that in most stories, the good guy wins…kinda like obama…
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 7th, 2013
10:30 am
See also the concept of TBTF and………………………Holder.
Jm
February 7th, 2013
10:31 am
Meh
“and had their political views and loyalties formed in that era.”
I don’t have a political loyalty
the dog
February 7th, 2013
10:31 am
Heyward already started drinking?
TaxPayer
February 7th, 2013
10:31 am
Re-gifting: kayaker laying under the Christmas tree wrapped up in a red ribbon and a pretty little bow.
Oh, the eyes. They burn.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
10:31 am
Hey————–this is the Obamanation dawg.
.rules and regs are for losers, those with jobs, and soccer players.
Hey—————–deflecterbation!
williebkind
February 7th, 2013
10:31 am
What is the unemployment like for these young liberals? How about those liberal college graduates who will not pay back their student loans? After two or three years of job search and still no job, what good is that liberal degree? Only an employer who does not care about the bottom line would hire such a person–the federal government. Hospitals are closing all around us! But the payment for Obamacare by those young liberals must be made. Nope can not have that new car, new clothes, or new trip. How are they going to react? The squeeze is coming soon! You must pay your obamacare tax the IRS will see to it. In just a short two years you can vote again. What muscial chimes will the liberal main stream media ring in your ears telling the young how bad the conservatives are. You are broke, homeless, jobless, and you owe for Obamacare so their goes your tax returns. Yep I hope mom and dad are doing OK.
barking frog
February 7th, 2013
10:31 am
One major party politics will kinda be like the parliamentary politics
in England, at least we will get the President and the majority in
Congress on the same side.
mm
February 7th, 2013
10:33 am
The truth of the demographics is:
100,000 old white people die each month.
70,000 latinos turn 18 each month.
The GOP is losing 2 million voters a year.
So in Illinois, the cons have introduced a bill to prevent out of state college students from voting. Alas, that is unconstitutional. But the stupid is strong amongst these people.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
February 7th, 2013
10:34 am
Hey————–this is the Obamanation dawg.
.rules and regs are for losers, those with jobs, and soccer players.
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See Drones
You used to be sane. What went wrong?
williebkind
February 7th, 2013
10:35 am
“So in Illinois, the cons have introduced a bill to prevent out of state college students from voting. Alas, that is unconstitutional. But the stupid is strong amongst these people.”
Well the killings in Chicago will offset the dying off of any “old white person”. Liberal leadership at its best there.
Brosephus™
February 7th, 2013
10:35 am
GG
I had an uncle that worked in that hotel for a while. He saw me sitting with about 4-5 of the legislators one time and was amazed that we were all conversing like old friends. This was one of my dad’s brothers, so of course he thought I’d end up in politics just like my dad. I can laugh because I knew some of the Alabama Republicans when they were Democrats.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
February 7th, 2013
10:37 am
So in Illinois, the cons have introduced a bill to prevent out of state college students from voting
Indiana. Republican legislature. Not Illinois.
Moderate Line
February 7th, 2013
10:37 am
I think things can change very quickly. In 2008 if you told me the Republicans would take back the House I would have laugh at you. After the financial crisis and the war in Iraq I thought the Republicans were toast. After the Great Depression hit the Dems dominated congress for 60 years losing the house only two years and the Senate for all but 10 years. The only place Republicans could win was the Presidential election which was influence more by the personalities of the candidate.
By 2014 the Republicans will have controlled the House 16 of 20 years and the Senate 10 to 6 years. Compare that to what they did from 1932 until 1996.
mm
February 7th, 2013
10:38 am
And we have a con in Mississippi that proposed a ban on human-animal hybrids. Is that really a problem in that state?
Ah, the stupid. Cons putting our tax dollars to work.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
February 7th, 2013
10:38 am
Well, I don’t know alot but I know we ain’t never getting the votes of those kids back.
So I say let’s take the easy way. Get out there and campaign to raise the legal voting age to 50.
Have a good Thursday everybody.
indigo
February 7th, 2013
10:38 am
I have observed that, the more desperate and troubled GOP politicians become, the more cons here show just how mean, ugly and downright stupid they really are.
At least the GOP can count on the sh*t for brains vote.
Lynnie Gal
February 7th, 2013
10:39 am
Frank Luntz’s redesign of Republican-speak to further confuse and mislead the voting public doesn’t work so well with younger voters. Given an IQ in the normal range, younger, educated voters can figure out the lies and mislabeling of the GOP platform pretty easily. Older voters, however, with their fading powers of reason and their dug-in points of view, often accept FOX News as the true and right way to view the world and are more vulnerable to believe the lies and language distortions of the GOP. Therefore, older voters will consistently vote against their own self interest, as in the example of senior’s support of Paul Ryan despite his plan to destroy their medical security (Medicare & Medicaid) and their financial support (Social Security).
stands for decibels
February 7th, 2013
10:39 am
I wonder how many of these 18-29 yr old voters who voted for Bozo know who our present Vice President is?
I wonder how many of the over-70 crowd assume stuff not even remotely in evidence of younger voters?
Brosephus™
February 7th, 2013
10:39 am
70,000 latinos turn 18 each month.
I think the most widely used number is 50,000 turn 18 each month. IIRC, I think that rate was projected to remain constant for the next decade or so too.
stevie ray
February 7th, 2013
10:39 am
Careful, dont discount the influence of the christian right at southern universities . My kid at uga gets it from both sides. Guy standing on box telling her she is going to hell by not being a believer then off to class where she darenot challenge a liberalprofessor using class as a pulpit to pitch far left agenda
ByteMe - Got ilk?
February 7th, 2013
10:40 am
After the Great Depression hit the Dems dominated congress for 60 years losing the house only two years and the Senate for all but 10 years. The only place Republicans could win was the Presidential election which was influence more by the personalities of the candidate.
Big difference between then and now: computers to help gerrymander districts.
stands for decibels
February 7th, 2013
10:40 am
keep regulating young girls’ uteruses and telling people who can/can’t marry and, lo and behold, the young-uns won’t like you.
Yes.
The irony here is, that the GOP needs to grow up if it expects to attract young voters. I don’t think they’re ready to do that.
Frederick Douglass
February 7th, 2013
10:41 am
Bob @ 9:46
That bunker guy in Alabama was an American citizen too; he was erased because he was totally in the wrong, same thing applies to the American terrorist that was wiped out by the drone.
williebkind
February 7th, 2013
10:42 am
With the legalization of pot in several states, the conservatives might take back some of those blue states. The young and stoned do not multitask very well.
stands for decibels
February 7th, 2013
10:42 am
a liberalprofessor using class as a pulpit to pitch far left agenda
I seriously doubt what the kid’s hearing is actually “far left”, but please, do tell.
kayaker 71
February 7th, 2013
10:42 am
Bookman, 10:15,
I am not asking you for your help. That’s something I do not need. I am just asking if you called and got the unofficial policy of the GOAL people as explained to me yesterday by their people. You know it blows holes in your whole thread…. along with the name calling.
straitroad
February 7th, 2013
10:43 am
None of this should surprise anyone. Our brains don’t fully mature until our mid-twenties. In my youth I voted democratic due to ignorance and idealism. People who are able to mature usually see the folly in liberal ideas and begin to vote based more on realism. The challenge for the gop is to begin the education process sooner.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
February 7th, 2013
10:43 am
Guy standing on box telling her she is going to hell
He’s everywhere! We had one of those at UF back in the 80’s.
And the only “liberal” politicking I ever saw in college was my sociology professor who wanted me to challenge all my assumptions before I jump to a conclusion. I guess that’s “liberal”.
stevie ray
February 7th, 2013
10:43 am
MODERATE LINE
Yup butt will take a scewup or otherwise bad outcomes by dems as opposed to any brilliant gop tactic. Seems more.people over time vote against rather than for…..
jconservative
February 7th, 2013
10:43 am
USinUK at 9:32 pretty well has it nailed: “keep regulating young girls’ uteruses and telling people who can/can’t marry and, lo and behold, the young-uns won’t like you.”
2012 presidential election: 55% of women for Obama and 68% of unmarried women for Obama, this on top of the age voting pattern Goodman discusses.
Republicans have lost the popular vote in 5 of 6 straight presidential elections. Republicans are looking at 16 straight years of Democratic presidents.
As Bob Dylan noted almost 50 years ago “The Times They Are a-Changin’…”
stands for decibels
February 7th, 2013
10:44 am
Big difference between then and now: computers to help gerrymander districts.
That does make a difference, of course. The chilling fact is, that with everything tweaked just so, about ~25.000001% of the electorate can control any given legislative body.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
10:44 am
You know it blows holes in your whole thread….
No, it really doesn’t.
Granny Godzilla
February 7th, 2013
10:45 am
williebkind
February 7th, 2013
10:42 am
With the legalization of pot in several states, the conservatives might take back some of those blue states. The young and stoned do not multitask very well.
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.neither to the retired duffers on the tenth green on almost any golf course…..
DannyX
February 7th, 2013
10:45 am
Yes, its way too early for 2016 polls, and it doesn’t mean a thing but I found this Jan 31 poll from PPP to be interesting.
2016 President, Texas
Clinton 46%
Rubio 45%
Clinton 45%
Christie 43%
Clinton 50%
Perry 42%
Republicans have 3+ years to work on their message, they better get going. And when it comes to that message, actions speak louder than words.
stevie ray
February 7th, 2013
10:47 am
STANDS
Yes as much as it may pain, the vast majorityof professors are liberal. Try taking econ, civics, any n umber of pre law classes and you will have to endure liberal rants thq
JP
February 7th, 2013
10:47 am
Thank you for the intelligent reply, HDB. What you say about the declining power of the electoral bloc of older, white Americans is probably very much true.
Why our country is in need of “transforming” is an altogether different matter…a question for which I am honestly perplexed! The straightforward values (it-is-either-right-or-wrong, everything else is just justification) that I grew up with seems to be very much at odds with the moral ambiguity that seems to plague today’s culture.
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 7th, 2013
10:48 am
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
10:31 am
Hey————–this is the Obamanation dawg.
.rules and regs are for losers, those with jobs, and soccer players.
Hey—————–deflecterbation!
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I’ll give a point for a decent consideration for an legitimate entry into Websters.
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This one has been in there for years.
Something that Progs have a problem with but will not admit it.
(it’s the first step)
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Eleutherophobia
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It would help to go see the good Doctor.
kayaker 71
February 7th, 2013
10:48 am
Enough of this. Time to practice the cello on this rainy Thursday. Perhaps a little Bach…… to sooth this misguided conservative soul.
TaxPayer
February 7th, 2013
10:48 am
kayaker called someone else a name caller.
indigo
February 7th, 2013
10:49 am
stevie ray – 10:39
And just what sort of “far left agenda” is that liberal professor pitching?
MiltonMan
February 7th, 2013
10:50 am
Surprised that the dems did not win more of that age – given the crap being taught in our schools these days. Everybody is to be treated/graded equally is school (teachers no longer grading in red ink), cannot play “kill the man with the ball” anymore in school, definitely cannot teach about God or allow kids to bring Bibles to school, install metal detectors in schools that do not even work, etc., etc.
The next generation is an over-protected, sissified generation and we wonder why it is difficult for us to “win” wars anymore???
stevie ray
February 7th, 2013
10:50 am
Yes, much to your surprise, many liberal professors abuse power and put manykids in awkward positions
DannyX
February 7th, 2013
10:50 am
“With the legalization of pot in several states, the conservatives might take back some of those blue states.”
I don’t smoke pot but a lot of my conservative friends do. You are really reaching on that one, willie.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 7th, 2013
10:51 am
Younger people today tend to be better educated.
And as we have seen from recent elections.
The higher ones education level the more likely they vote Democratic.
The Republicans went to the whip and got enough old angry white votes to get W elected twice.
But in the process they painted themselves in a corner.
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
10:52 am
straitroad – “The challenge for the gop is to begin the education process sooner.”
Yes, perhaps the kids could be put in isolation chambers at birth and pumped Fox News 24/7 until their 21st burthday.
stevie ray
February 7th, 2013
10:52 am
INDIGO
I’m having trouble doing.this via nook. Far left as in bashing the rich, shouting down
Grasshopper
February 7th, 2013
10:52 am
Young people are more attracted to Big Mac munching adulterers and basketball-loving crooners than they are to decorated war veterans and establishment business owners. They relate more to those that get away with gaming the system rather than contributing to it. You know, revolutionary anti-establishment types.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
10:52 am
Tommy-poo
Verborrea
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 7th, 2013
10:53 am
Surprised that the dems did not win more of that age – given the crap being taught in our schools these days. Everybody is to be treated/graded equally is school (teachers no longer grading in red ink), cannot play “kill the man with the ball” anymore in school, definitely cannot teach about God or allow kids to bring Bibles to school, install metal detectors in schools that do not even work, etc., etc.
The next generation is an over-protected, sissified generation and we wonder why it is difficult for us to “win” wars anymore???
My nomination for dumbest post of the day.
I know its early but I dont think anyone can top that one.
stevie ray
February 7th, 2013
10:53 am
Have to get back to you when back to my machine. No shortage of evidence of
Granny Godzilla
February 7th, 2013
10:54 am
evie ray
February 7th, 2013
10:47 am
STANDS
Yes as much as it may pain, the vast majorityof professors are liberal. Try taking econ, civics, any n umber of pre law classes and you will have to endure liberal rants thq
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Perhaps education and knowledge and wisdom make one tolerant…..
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
February 7th, 2013
10:54 am
The political story of the week, month and probably the year (1984) continues to be the plight of the Democratic Party and its belated effort to break its dependence on dirt hippies and left-wing radicals.
Marty Huggins'
February 7th, 2013
10:55 am
stevie ray
February 7th, 2013
10:39 am
I know that guy on the box.
He’s not just there on your way to class but at night too.
He’s crazy than a football bat.
Weird though hearing that at 2:30am
Been a few years since my days as a student but he has been there a while.
Only real distinction between him and the professor is that one is paid by and endorsed by the education system of the state.
I guess you learn fast as a college student…..
Just because the messenger is crazy or has an extreme interpretation doesn’t mean that the core principles of the message are untrue and irrelevant.
MiltonMan
February 7th, 2013
10:56 am
“I have observed that, the more desperate and troubled GOP politicians become, the more cons here show just how mean, ugly and downright stupid they really are.
At least the GOP can count on the sh*t for brains vote.”
Yes, good thing that the Democrats own total control of the “smart pockets” of Atlanta, South Fulton, Clayton, DeKalb. Shot, I see myself voting for Hank Johnson so that I can help him prevent Guam from tipping over.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
February 7th, 2013
10:56 am
I was reading our conservative friends posts and I just….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIdvMjbf9gQ
No…really…
Moderate Line
February 7th, 2013
10:56 am
stevie ray
February 7th, 2013
10:43 am
MODERATE LINE
Yup butt will take a scewup or otherwise bad outcomes by dems as opposed to any brilliant gop tactic. Seems more.people over time vote against rather than for…..
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I agree. I don’t think either party got to where they are now by brilliant strategies. However, take Canada for example the liberal party dominated and now they are a third party. And who controls Canada now the conservatives.
The elections right now are very close. Someone stated that the Dems have won 5 of 6 popular votes but the Republicans have won the house 14 of 20 years. They are very close.
USinUK - former Girl Scout
February 7th, 2013
10:57 am
“guy standing on box telling her she is going to hell by not being a believer then off to class where she darenot challenge a liberalprofessor using class as a pulpit to pitch far left agenda”
huzzah!!!
I’ll play.
WHAT far left agenda??? got examples???
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
10:58 am
MiltonMan – “Yes, good thing that the Democrats own total control of the “smart pockets” of Atlanta, South Fulton, Clayton, DeKalb”
Isn’t that why Preibus is coming? He wants those votes so that your party can have a fighting chance. Why do you hate the GOP?
Moderate Line
February 7th, 2013
10:58 am
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 7th, 2013
10:53 am
Surprised that the dems did not win more of that age – given the crap being taught in our schools these days. Everybody is to be treated/graded equally is school (teachers no longer grading in red ink), cannot play “kill the man with the ball” anymore in school, definitely cannot teach about God or allow kids to bring Bibles to school, install metal detectors in schools that do not even work, etc., etc.
The next generation is an over-protected, sissified generation and we wonder why it is difficult for us to “win” wars anymore???
My nomination for dumbest post of the day.
I know its early but I dont think anyone can top that one
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Did you nominate the one making fun of old peoples loss of their faculties?
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 7th, 2013
10:59 am
And who controls Canada now the conservatives.
Ill bet their brand of conservatives is much different than the flavor we get here.
USinUK - former Girl Scout
February 7th, 2013
10:59 am
“its belated effort to break its dependence on dirt hippies and left-wing radicals.”
I prefer pinko, if you don’t mind.
stands for decibels
February 7th, 2013
11:00 am
stevie, whenever you’re able to check back in, I look forward to reading of your kid’s far-left indoctrination. (no snark, this is for real–smoke ‘em if you got ‘em, so to speak.)
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 7th, 2013
11:00 am
WHAT far left agenda??? got examples???
Has something to do with queers ill bet
Joe Hussein Mama
February 7th, 2013
11:01 am
S. Ray — “off to class where she darenot challenge a liberalprofessor using class as a pulpit to pitch far left agenda”
Doubt it.
Besides, college is about being exposed to different ideas and arguments. If your kid was looking for confirmation and support with regard to what she already believed, then IMO some sort of religious college might have been more in line with that.
“Yes, much to your surprise, many liberal professors abuse power and put manykids in awkward positions”
Bulldada.
You’re expected to be able to *defend* your arguments in college. If you can’t, don’t be surprised if you don’t earn good grades.
When I got out of the Army and came back here to go to grad school, I didn’t get in on my first try (something about having been out of the classroom too long). So I set about earning another undergrad degree (which took me just five quarters). One of my profs *did* happen to be quite liberal, but she was also quite fair in her grading (remember, I didn’t change parties until 2003). So long as I could support my arguments and defend my points, she gave me As, even if she didn’t agree with me.
And you know what? The first term in grad school, she came to conservative me to sub in one of her classes for a week while she went to some symposium somewhere out west. You’d have us believe that there were all sorts of libbie professors and grad students running around that campus — but she came to the student *she didn’t agree with* because she knew he’d do a good job.
People who whine about liberal college curricula and professors are simply complaining because they’re being held to the same standard as everyone else. Either sharpen your academic game or drop out.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 7th, 2013
11:01 am
Did you nominate the one making fun of old peoples loss of their faculties?
No I didn’t.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 7th, 2013
11:02 am
Professors teaching “liberal values”? Why I am sure it has nothing to do with professors who would teach about humans saddled up on them dinosauers not being credible and making the school look silly in the real academic community. Or perhaps its the pre law and law professors who would teach that “government is always bad”…. great with extreme conservatives, not true in reality. Maybe econ… teaching how austerity would work…except the actual evidence shows otherwise. Perhaps they can teach based on the bible and tell everyone how if we don’t watch it, we’ll have sharia law… yeah that will work.
When “conservatism” has devolved into idiot conspiracies without evidence or contrary to evidence and everything else must be “liberalism”, yeah, intelligent fact and evidence based people using their brains are going to teach “liberalism”. If you want to create the dead of mind believers in “conservatism”, stay tuned….Georgia is working on an answer for you now. Sadly.
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 7th, 2013
11:02 am
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
10:52 am
Tommy-poo
Verborrea
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Sheesh……without checking, I believe that Verorrea is even better.
(no mixture of language origin like Deflectorbation,germanic vs latin etc…)
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Good show.
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Unlike your brilliant made up words…..herein lies another that has been in Websters for years.
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Hypegiaphobia,
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Dr. Paul can help you with this………………..too.
stands for decibels
February 7th, 2013
11:02 am
Our brains don’t fully mature until our mid-twenties.
Of course that’s my cue to assert my own dalliance with Galt-Gulchy conservo-slop in my mid-20s, when I used to believe the corporate-friendly crap I read in Forbes. O how I wanted to believe that if you just got government out of the way, maybe “simplified” that gosh-darn tax code, a thousand flowers would bloom.
I think that philosophy’s last gasp, for me, was when I decided to reward an incumbent Republican governor with a vote for her relatively good behavior. I actually thought that if we encouraged the marginally responsible GOPers, the rest of the party would come around to the side of rationality.
I won’t make that mistake again.
Lance in Carrollton
February 7th, 2013
11:03 am
The biggest thing that I read from the graph is that young voters like a charismatic leader who speaks to how great the United States is. Not wallow in its faults. They rally behind and support that leader in office. The biggest thing the Republican Party should remember is that Reagan spoke of a bright future not a land where Socialism would thrive if Carter won reelection. President Obama is best when he speaks of how great it is to be an American; republicans would be wise to drop America is dying approach.
HDB
February 7th, 2013
11:05 am
JP
February 7th, 2013
10:47 am
“Why our country is in need of “transforming” is an altogether different matter…a question for which I am honestly perplexed! The straightforward values (it-is-either-right-or-wrong, everything else is just justification) that I grew up with seems to be very much at odds with the moral ambiguity that seems to plague today’s culture.”
If I may…..the nation is not just a static entity….it is, has always been a dynamic being! Note: the Constitution was designed so that change could be addressed when needed…albeit SLOWLY!! Straight-forward values in a dynamic society have to undergo modification…but are still maintained. Example: When the Constitution was created, women and black people were not included in the initial design; it has been modified to become inclusive….but the values are still maintained and integral to the society at large! Now, those values are being challenged again because of the changing demographics of society…more ethnic minorities, a growing LGBT contingent……
Those straightforward systems are being challenged…..free will, self-determination…are now expanding to include marriage equality, abortion, et. al. The question that has to be addressed is how can a dynamic society incorporate these challenges while maintaining those values that make society work…….
THAT’S the issue…………….
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
11:06 am
Tommy-poo
Bored now.
USinUK - former Girl Scout
February 7th, 2013
11:06 am
“Has something to do with queers ill bet”
and wimmen having the right to vote.
DannyX
February 7th, 2013
11:07 am
“Shot, I see myself voting for Hank Johnson so that I can help him prevent Guam from tipping over.”
You think thats bad??? Look who Republicans vote for…
Rep Tom Graves, famous for his 2.1 “I I could never pay it back” no-collateral Roach Motel loan he took out with his buddy Chip “Agenda 21″ Rogers.
Rep. Lynn Westmoreland and his 3 Commandments.
Rep. Rob Woodall, “Because its FREE!!!”
Rep. Paul Broun, Yikes!
Brosephus™
February 7th, 2013
11:10 am
The elections right now are very close. Someone stated that the Dems have won 5 of 6 popular votes but the Republicans have won the house 14 of 20 years. They are very close.
Comparing apples to oranges with that one. House votes are based on districts whereas the popular vote is a total of the entire country. The GOP lost the popular vote for House candidates but maintain their majority status because of the way the districts are carved up.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
11:11 am
You think thats bad??? Look who Republicans vote for…
“Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren’t able to practice their love with women all across this country.” —President George W. Bush, Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
11:13 am
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.” —President George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004
Madmax
February 7th, 2013
11:13 am
Wait till the full impact of sequestration and the debt starts to hit the 18 – 29 year olds. Nothing makes a conservative more rapidly that excessive unemployment and excessive taxation. It’s a coming and it’s all Obama’s. After all, it does belong to Obama as much as he may try to dance away from it, his signature is on the bill.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
February 7th, 2013
11:15 am
Well, I been reading the posts from all the Conservatives blasting librul professors in the classroom. Seems to me the librul professors never got to them. In fact it looks like they went to colledge but never learnt a dern thing. Just one more reason I’m thinking about buying one of them PhDs from a online school. How does Dr. Redneck Convert strike you?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
11:15 am
“See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.” —President George W. Bush, Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005
USinUK - former Girl Scout
February 7th, 2013
11:16 am
Kam – if you’re going to do it, do it right:
Make the Pie Higher
I think we all agree, the past is over.
This is still a dangerous world.
It’s a world of madmen
And uncertainty
And potential mental losses.
Rarely is the question asked
Is our children learning?
Will the highways of the internet
Become more few?
How many hands have I shaked?
They misunderestimate me.
I am a pitbull on the pantleg of opportunity.
I know that the human being and the fish
Can coexist.
Families is where our nation finds hope
Where our wings take dream.
Put food on your family!
Knock down the tollbooth!
Vulcanize society!
Make the pie higher!
Make the pie higher!
(a poem comprised of Bush quotes)
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
11:16 am
Madmax – “Nothing makes a conservative more rapidly that excessive unemployment and excessive taxation.”
Yes, I’m sure all those unemployed youngsters are quaking at the thought of their taxes going up on their annual $400,000 salary.
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 7th, 2013
11:16 am
Tut Tut……….
The Youth might be naive, but the majority aren’t stupid.
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They know that when it comes to violence and fleecing them, the Demo/Repugs stand together……………….
From Senator Lindsay Graham——————
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“Every member of Congress needs to get on board, [with killing citizens with drones]” Graham said. “It’s not fair to the president to let him, leave him out there alone quite frankly. He’s getting hit from libertarians and the left.”
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Well, Lindsey is partly right. Obama’s getting hit from libertarians. “The left,” outside of the ACLU and a few lonely voices such as Glen Greenwald, offers no credible protest either. The left will ofter some token grumbling and then get back to slavishly supporting whatever Obama tells it to support.
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Harsh.
Moderate Line
February 7th, 2013
11:16 am
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 7th, 2013
10:59 am
And who controls Canada now the conservatives.
Ill bet their brand of conservatives is much different than the flavor we get here.
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That is my point. If Republicans shift on a few issues they will gain votes.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
11:18 am
“If this were a dictatorship, it’d be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I’m the dictator.” —President-elect George W. Bush, at a photo-op with congressional leaders during his first trip to Capitol Hill, Washington, D.C., Dec. 19, 2000
USinUK - former Girl Scout
February 7th, 2013
11:18 am
And let’s not forget to “refudiate” stupid candidates like St. Sarah of the Tundra
USinUK - former Girl Scout
February 7th, 2013
11:19 am
oh, another classic Sarah-ism
“He who warned, uh, the British that they weren’t gonna be takin’ away our arms, uh, by ringing those bells, and um, makin’ sure as he’s riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be sure and we were going to be free, and we were going to be armed.”
OH, the pain …
Mr. Mike
February 7th, 2013
11:19 am
Granny, et.al.
Actually Churchill lifted/plagiarized the quote from Georges Clemenceau; somewhat paraphrasing here “If my son wasn’t a socialist at age 20; I’d disown him. If he still was one at 40; I’d do it then”.
Winston’s quote about fighting the Germans “on the beaches, in the streets…we will never surrender” is also lifted from both Marshal Foch and Premier Clemenceau.
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
February 7th, 2013
11:20 am
“The reforms we seek would bring greater competition, choice, savings and inefficiencies to our health care system.” –in remarks after a health care roundtable with physicians, nurses and health care providers, Barack Obama, Washington, D.C., July 20, 2009
stands for decibels
February 7th, 2013
11:20 am
Well, my favorite, even though it isn’t funny:
“a wiretap requires a court order.”
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
11:21 am
And let’s not forget to “refudiate” stupid candidates like St. Sarah of the Tundra
You betcha!
TaxPayer
February 7th, 2013
11:21 am
Yes, much to your surprise, many liberal professors abuse power and put manykids in awkward positions
You put your left foot in, you take your left foot out, you put your left foot in and you shake it all about.
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
11:21 am
“Elmer Fudd could beat Obama”
Every GOP Poster on Jays Blog 2011 to November 2012
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
11:22 am
“Brownie, you’re doing a heck of a job.” —President George W. Bush, to FEMA director Michael Brown, who resigned 10 days later amid criticism over his job performance, Mobile, Ala., Sept. 2, 2005
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
11:23 am
“You work three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn’t it? I mean, that is fantastic that you’re doing that.” —President George W. Bush, to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005
USinUK - former Girl Scout
February 7th, 2013
11:24 am
stevie ray – that’s the best you got – “Try taking econ, civics, any n umber of pre law classes and you will have to endure liberal rants thq”
THAT’s your evidence – that “any number of classes have liberal rants” … wow. I hope you try that kind of water-tight argument next time you’re in traffic court …
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 7th, 2013
11:26 am
My favorite was —————
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That reality demonstrates both the moral bankruptcy of the Bush approach and its essential anti-American nature. One of the key insights of our Founding Fathers was that government power should never go unchecked, because great unchecked power leads inevitably to arrogance and great unchecked abuse.
The Bush administration nonetheless claimed and exerted such power, and for a time the American people, judicial system and political leadership allowed that claim to stand. It was not our finest moment as a people.”
–Jay Bookman “Guantanamo an American Failure” November 25, 2008
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This was reposted in a blog about Bookman defends how Obama has changed “Due” Process to “Secret” process .
(h/t to flagboy?)
St Simons - he-ne-ha
February 7th, 2013
11:27 am
well first, I’m right here on the border, and I can tell you, if they think
mr Rubio is their wonderboy token for the brown vote, then their level
of utter disconnect from real America is staggering.
and second, does this culture even recognize Irony anymore?
a) The Republicans are meeting in Atlanta, the capital of black America,
to find out how they can be more inclusive.
b) The meeting is exclusive, and closed to the public (read ‘rabble’)
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 7th, 2013
11:27 am
lol
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
11:27 am
“People don’t like presidents who avoid responsibility, especially in times like these.”
-Recon 0311 2533 March 28th, 2012-
JP
February 7th, 2013
11:29 am
HDB,
I take it that you do not believe in objective truth [what was true yesterday, is true today, is true tomorrow...that fundamental truth is unchanging]?
I think moving away from our core truth goes against God, Natural Law, and our own human nature.
You are certainly welcome to disagree with me. I like learning about other people’s [respectfully worded] opinions.
But I will say this… If the modern culture is your barometer by which you measure “truth” (relativism), then what you will not accept today, you will accept in the future.
I have seen it happen too many times.
Granny Godzilla
February 7th, 2013
11:29 am
Mr. Mike
February 7th, 2013
11:19 am
Granny, et.al.
Actually Churchill lifted/plagiarized the quote from Georges Clemenceau; somewhat paraphrasing here “If my son wasn’t a socialist at age 20; I’d disown him. If he still was one at 40; I’d do it then”.
Winston’s quote about fighting the Germans “on the beaches, in the streets…we will never surrender” is also lifted from both Marshal Foch and Premier Clemenceau.
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ACTUALLY NO. Never said it.
http://www.winstonchurchill.org/learn/speeches/quotations/quotes-falsely-attributed
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
11:30 am
“Obamacare going down….”
Jm – March 28th, 2012
Redcoat
February 7th, 2013
11:30 am
“The party of No”….shouldn’t someone at least be trying to say no?…..the last are getting worn down……then what?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
11:30 am
My favorite from Tommie-poo:
http://www.thechicagodope.com/2010/11/11/cia-admits-drone-strike-killed-six-in-wisconsin-wedding-party/
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
11:32 am
“What are you libs going to do when everything comes crashing down on you next Tuesday?”
scott – October 31st, 2012
Moderate Line
February 7th, 2013
11:33 am
Brosephus™
February 7th, 2013
11:10 am
The elections right now are very close. Someone stated that the Dems have won 5 of 6 popular votes but the Republicans have won the house 14 of 20 years. They are very close.
Comparing apples to oranges with that one. House votes are based on districts whereas the popular vote is a total of the entire country. The GOP lost the popular vote for House candidates but maintain their majority status because of the way the districts are carved up.
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You are correct to some degree, however, except I would say the house election has more meaning because it strips away the personality of the two candidates. It is interesting to hear Dems personally trash Romney during the election but then declare that the Republicans lost because of a fundamental weakness of the party.
Also, you can point to the Republican losing the popular vote but that only accounts for one election and the difference was 48.8 Dem to 48.47 Rep. Also, it is difficult tell how the popular vote is affected by gerrymandering by both parties. There are only few competitive districts in the country.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/11/09/democratic-house-candidates-winning-the-popular-vote-despite-big-gop-majority/
philosopher
February 7th, 2013
11:34 am
While critical thinking skills and logic are skills woefully missing from educational institutions and most parenting, the age of communication is flooding young people with enough varied information that with their still young and flexible brains, they can sift and filter BS much better than the majority of their elders. Young people have always been underestimated,
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
11:34 am
“All Romney needs is CO, FL, OH and VA and this is a done deal. These states are called tossups for a reason. So don’t start celebrating yet, libs.”
kayaker 71 – October 31st, 2012
Regnad Kcin
February 7th, 2013
11:35 am
” If the GOP puts up any candidate just bit hipper than McCain or Romney, the gap will disappear overnight. Especially if the “hipness” comparison is with Clueless Joe or Old Lady Clinton.”
That’s the ticket! Just like “those people,” the young are easily manipulated, and aren’t smart enought to know what’s good for them.
Keep on with THAT strategy! It’s been working so well!
USinUK - former Girl Scout
February 7th, 2013
11:35 am
Butch … you are my new hero.
stands for decibels
February 7th, 2013
11:37 am
Ok, ok, I’ll see y’all’s stupid and raise you this:
“Don’t you think that the posters here should know that you [Jay] can watch them writing before the[y] post it?
“Wouldn’t that be the decent thing to do?”
USinUK - former Girl Scout
February 7th, 2013
11:38 am
dB – 11:37 … aaaaahhhhhh … good times …
Madmax
February 7th, 2013
11:39 am
Butch – stay clueless and keep believing in Santa Sam. He placing all these goodies out there and nobody but the 1% has to pay for them. It’s a nice fairytale but that’s all it is.
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
11:40 am
“Here’s a good example of why Romney and Conservatives will carry the day come Tuesday – one word – Bloomberg.”
JohnnyReb – November 2nd, 2012
DannyX
February 7th, 2013
11:41 am
RB from Gwinnett
November 29, 2007 8:29 AM
“I drove by the SIGN ON I-85 near downtown that has the number of homes for sale in Atlanta earlier this week. It was down from 109K to 105K since about 2 months ago. Could any of the FINANCE CHALLENGED liberals on this site please explain how the number of homes for sale could go down by 5% in a “horrible housing market”?”
USinUK - former Girl Scout
February 7th, 2013
11:43 am
“nobody but the 1% ”
keep believing the lie, Maxie … clap if you believe
stands for decibels
February 7th, 2013
11:43 am
Coupla other faves:
This is why today’s speech by Gov. Rick Perry rings so true. We need the “real church” to stand up and be counted:
“An unholy church is useless to the world. It is of no value. It is an abomination. It is hell’s laughter and heaven’s abhorrence. The worst evils that have ever come on the world have been brought by an unholy church.”
Charles Spurgeon
Alas, our country is full of “unholy” churches and even entire “unholy” denominations.
Just sayin ……………………………
and
Most if not all of your views are so far out of the mainstream with what America is about.
I picked those two because in both cases, I asked nicely for examples to back up what Scout and that “USMC” guy (don’t know what he calls himself today) were on about–i.e., which are the “unholy” denominations, and which of Jay’s views are “far out.”
I think it’s been more than a year, and I’m still waiting.
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
11:44 am
Madmax – “Butch – stay clueless and keep believing in Santa Sam.”
Hey man, I’m just trying to help. Why do you think I’m posting some of our philosophers greatest predictions? The youth of America need to know how often the GOP hits the target.
GT
February 7th, 2013
11:44 am
The GOP is content to misleading the public on their real identity. In the convention they moved black faces from the Virgin Islands, non voting delegates to the front of the convention so a national audience could view them. Put token minority on the podium like that was the real them. Wonder if they even let these faces into the Republican Presidential Debates? I have always been very puzzled at people like CNN sponsoring these raw red meat debates that allowed for demeaning behavior towards minorities such as gays or anti illegal immigration. Not necessarily by the candidates who had established their bigotries long ago but by allowing a cheap carnival atmosphere with the obvious out of control “fan” sitting in the audience eating the red meat.
If you want to know when you lost the minority, not because of Sandy ,as Dick Morris and others making a living feeding these people’s mental disease, have said, but during these debates. I am just amazed at the void of discussion on this matter, which I mainly believe is because the networks were making good money showing this circus. It is like a reality show, low cost high rating and then they, like Wolf Blitzer, defend the undefendable. All the networks especially the cable networks hedged their bets that the right could win, almost ignoring the Nazi type bully behavior of the right. They are looking for an audience not journalism and in my opinion actually did the country a favor showing this real side of the GOP to the country, even if not on purpose.
Moderate Line
February 7th, 2013
11:45 am
Brosephus™
February 7th, 2013
11:10 am
The elections right now are very close. Someone stated that the Dems have won 5 of 6 popular votes but the Republicans have won the house 14 of 20 years. They are very close.
Comparing apples to oranges with that one. House votes are based on districts whereas the popular vote is a total of the entire country. The GOP lost the popular vote for House candidates but maintain their majority status because of the way the districts are carved up.
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It is interesting you should bring up how the “districts are carved up”. In 2010 Dems held a 27-14 advantage in state legislature. Where were the complaints of gerrymandering. In 2011 the Rep gain controlled 25-15. That is how quickly it can switch.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_state_legislatures
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_state_legislatures%27_partisan_trend
stands for decibels
February 7th, 2013
11:46 am
oh em gee, DannyX. I’ve heard you refer to that RB classic, but I don’t think I’ve ever actually beheld it. That’s genius, that is.
HDB
February 7th, 2013
11:46 am
JP
February 7th, 2013
11:29 am
HDB,
I take it that you do not believe in objective truth [what was true yesterday, is true today, is true tomorrow...that fundamental truth is unchanging]?
I think moving away from our core truth goes against God, Natural Law, and our own human nature.”
Actually, I believe that objective truth is based in fundamental truth…..and becoming a more inclusive society brings us CLOSER to what the Creator intended!!
There are aspects of truth I can not and will not challenge, but there are other aspects of truth that MUST be challenged!! Remember…many minorities were not considered HUMAN…but anthropology shows that all species of man are related to one another!! That’s a truth I can not challenge!! I believe in the truth than “all men are created equal”, but I challenge the truth that society placed out that we must discriminate against segments of society to maintain that truth!! I accept the truth that the Creator made us in his image…that also means that the Creator created gay and straight populations. Should we discriminate against what the Creator has done…or incorporate it as He would have intended?? Each person’s view of truth is fundamental to their life systems, objective as to what influences them…and relative to whatever situations present themselves!!
Moderate Line
February 7th, 2013
11:48 am
philosopher
February 7th, 2013
11:34 am
While critical thinking skills and logic are skills woefully missing from educational institutions and most parenting, the age of communication is flooding young people with enough varied information that with their still young and flexible brains, they can sift and filter BS much better than the majority of their elders. Young people have always been underestimated,
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I am not young enough to know everything.
Oscar Wilde
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 7th, 2013
11:48 am
Awesome stuff Butch.
They get real quiet when you throw their nonsense back in their face.
MiltonMan
February 7th, 2013
11:50 am
…and next up from Jay: (1) Dem Senator Menendez – despicable for forays with underage prostitutes and his cover-up of medicare abuse of his Florida buddy; (2) The deporable actions by the fair and balanced New York Times & Washington Post caving in to President Obama’s desire not to publish location of secret drone base in Saudia Arabia – yes truthful reporting/journalism at it’s best; (3) Jesse Jackson Jr. – totally guilty of abuse of campaign funds, etc., etc.
Wishful thinking
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
11:51 am
“I feel that the youth is back to being mostly apathetic and will get back to levels in most elections. White Suburban married women with children will give their vote this year to Romney by 4 to 8% and that the religious right is not going to stay home and come back to normal levels this year.
The above will wipe out the 7 point win Obama had and will give Romney a 1 to 2 point win.”
td – November 2nd, 2012
Bob
February 7th, 2013
11:51 am
Young people are clueless. Ask the democrat loving kids why democrat controlled entities such as APS, Dekalb County and Clayton County why dems can’t even run school systems. The same people whine evey day about repubs yet ignore the pathetic leadership shown by local democrats. If you are going to an under performing school, you are in a district run by dems. If you are in a school district that lost accreditation, you are in a school district run by dems. If you live in a city with high crime and poverty, Detroit, DC, St. Louis, Newark and so on, you live in a city dominated by dems. All kidding aside, please don’t let Obama do to America what he and his party have done for Chicago, murder is fine for TV, not for real life. Go ahead and brag about your dem leadership of DeKalb, APS and Clayton County schools, a mind was supposed to be a terrible thing to waste, now it is the status quo for kids in democrat run schools. But you lefties can blame Bush if it makes you feel better. How many repubs sit back and let their schools get accreditation taken away ?
stands for decibels
February 7th, 2013
11:51 am
Since nobody else has posted this on-topic link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afam2nIae4o
Bells chime, I feel I gotta get away…
Brosephus™
February 7th, 2013
11:52 am
It is interesting to hear Dems personally trash Romney during the election but then declare that the Republicans lost because of a fundamental weakness of the party.
I can’t answer for Dems, but I personally trashed Romney because his entire campaign was a fraud. I’m probably more of a true conservative than he is, yet he took us on this magic carpet ride to show how conservative he was. Had he been true to who he was, he could have likely peeled off a good bit of the middle. Then again, had he done that, he wouldn’t have been the GOP nominee either.
alittlecommonsense
February 7th, 2013
11:54 am
The young typically lean toward the Democrat party. They have few assets, low income and nothing can be taken from them. As they get older and begin to accumulate some wealth, they start to worry about the party that would like to take that wealth away from them and migrate to the Republican party. Of course those who never accumulate any wealth tend to stay Democrat. Of course this is painting with a broad brush, but as a generality it is true.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 7th, 2013
11:55 am
How many repubs sit back and let their schools get accreditation taken away ?
Is that English ?
Can someone translate this ?
Someone get the Rosetta Stone
HDB
February 7th, 2013
11:55 am
JP….to even take it further: truth can also be viewed as cyclical!! Gay people were accepted in earlier biblical days….but then placed into an unacceptable place during the Victorian era and the Protestant Reformation…but now, gay people are fighting to regain their acceptance……….
What goes around…comes around……
the dog
February 7th, 2013
11:56 am
When is the last time anyone saw Ann and Mittens? I could do a search but figured someone knew what they were up to.
Brosephus™
February 7th, 2013
11:57 am
It is interesting you should bring up how the “districts are carved up”. In 2010 Dems held a 27-14 advantage in state legislature.
I can’t answer for everyone else, but I have long advocated for non-partisaned drawing of districts. I don’t think the people who have and/or will run for an office should have any say so at all in how the districts are drawn up. That’s just like changing the rules of baseball to allow the batter to call the pitches instead of the catcher.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 7th, 2013
11:57 am
The young typically lean toward the Democrat party. They have few assets, low income and nothing can be taken from them. As they get older and begin to accumulate some wealth, they start to worry about the party that would like to take that wealth away from them and migrate to the Republican party. Of course those who never accumulate any wealth tend to stay Democrat. Of course this is painting with a broad brush, but as a generality it is true.
Complete nonsense.
Ill tell you what is true.
The more educated a person.
The more likely the vote Democratic.
States with low rankings in education.
All Red states.
States high in those rankings with high percentages of college grads
Blue states.
GT
February 7th, 2013
11:57 am
The problem with objective truth is the right label lies truth. Look at us we are divested or trickle down economics works. I guess you call this objective lying and I truly believe in that, as I watched it destroy the Grand Ole Party. And no lie is going to turn it around, only straight honest truth which is so hard for these guys with a different agenda to do
Brosephus™
February 7th, 2013
11:58 am
alittlecommonsense @ 11:54
Hollywood and Silicon Valley says What!!!?
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
11:58 am
“The entire Obama campaign appears to me to be targeting our less intelligent and gullible voters. It is obvious from comments posted here and on other blogs that his target audience has, in fact, been reached. I don’t believe this will accomplish what he needs, though, and President Romney looks to be on track for the win.”
cc – October 26th, 2012
Junior Samples
February 7th, 2013
12:01 pm
“kills an American citizen”
So Bob, how long have you been supporting terrorists?
Logical Dude
February 7th, 2013
12:02 pm
Milton Man: “President Obama’s desire not to publish location of secret drone base in Saudia Arabia”
Umm, so, you’d rather a secret base be publicly broadcast around the world, putting lives in danger?
I mean. . . It’s SECRET for a reason. . .
well, I guess not so secret anymore, but. . . your criticism of them not publishing a secret base makes it sounds like you’d like everyone in the world know exactly where this secret base is, and become a target.
If that’s not what you mean, then please let me know how I might have misread your criticism.
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
12:03 pm
Bob – “Young people are clueless.”
That’s right Bob, keep on fighting for that coveted demographic. While your at it, why don’t you get off some racial slurs and generalities about poor people. That should seal Republican victories for decades.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
February 7th, 2013
12:04 pm
I can’t answer for Dems, but I personally trashed Romney because his entire campaign was a fraud. I’m probably more of a true conservative than he is, yet he took us on this magic carpet ride to show how conservative he was. Had he been true to who he was, he could have likely peeled off a good bit of the middle. Then again, had he done that, he wouldn’t have been the GOP nominee either.
Well, I don’t know which Romney you heard. All I know is, by the third debate he was stealing Obama’s thunder and sounding more librul than Obama. He started off sounding like John Birch and ended sounding like a radical hippie. Whatever the polls wanted to hear he delivered.
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
February 7th, 2013
12:04 pm
“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” – Joe Biden
Get Real
February 7th, 2013
12:04 pm
Have you talked to a young person lately? Absolutely clueless as to what is going on in the world and their priorities are a joke. In general, they just do not have the wherewithal to comprehend how today’s issues will affect their future…truly sad
USinUK - former Girl Scout
February 7th, 2013
12:05 pm
Bro – “I can’t answer for Dems, but I personally trashed Romney because his entire campaign was a fraud”
you got that right.
he lost because the best they could come up with was a squish of the highest order, a man who never met a political position that he hasn’t taken at one time or another during his career.
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
12:06 pm
Logical Dude – “Umm, so, you’d rather a secret base be publicly broadcast around the world, putting lives in danger?”
Apparently MiltonMan feels that America is safer when our enemies know our military secrets. Hey Milton, you aren’t related to Ethel and Julius Rosenberg by any chance are you?
Regnad Kcin
February 7th, 2013
12:06 pm
“Have you talked to a young person lately? Absolutely clueless as to what is going on in the world and their priorities are a joke. In general, they just do not have the wherewithal to comprehend how today’s issues will affect their future…truly sad”
Maybe you need to hang out with a higher quality of young people – I haven’t experienced that at all.
BTW – Generalize from a sample size of one, much?
AmericaShrugged
February 7th, 2013
12:06 pm
The Dems should be very concerned. Looks like their frail coalition of unions, minorities and homosexuals doesn’t add up to winning elections without the young vote too, and dropping 6 percentage points in four years, from 66 to 60% when you didn’t have Father Time to run against can’t speak well for the future of the Dem party.
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
12:08 pm
Get Real – “Have you talked to a young person lately? Absolutely clueless as to what is going on in the world and their priorities are a joke.”
Perhaps if you stopped hanging around the Orange Julius at the mall?
Regnad Kcin
February 7th, 2013
12:08 pm
“… doesn’t add up to winning elections without the young vote too, and dropping 6 percentage points in four years…”
I’m happy for you that you could find ONE data point to spin. I’m glad it makes you feel better.
the dog
February 7th, 2013
12:09 pm
godless heathen – owner of many things he does not need
February 7th, 2013
12:04 pm
“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” – Joe Biden
________________________________________________________________________
That right there is our Magic Negro!!! I can’t remember who wrote that, somebody help me remember!
USinUK - former Girl Scout
February 7th, 2013
12:10 pm
“Absolutely clueless as to what is going on in the world and their priorities are a joke”
why? because their priorities aren’t yours? because I’ve met and worked with loads of young people who are incredibly serious about their futures and being involved in politica
Morality?
February 7th, 2013
12:11 pm
In a grab for the “YOUTH” vote the Dems are considering legalizing marywanna. The Prez has 1st hand experience with this subject. What the YOUTH should b asking is : Will we have a FUTURE now that Obama is LEADING us over the FISCAL CLIFF?
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
12:11 pm
To paraphrase some of our posters today ” Hey, young people, you’re stupid. We really need you to join the Republican party.”
Churchill
February 7th, 2013
12:13 pm
as I have stated before,if you are young and don’t vote liberal-you have no heart;if you are older and don’t vote conservative-you have no brain. Perhaps the republicans can hope for a better school education in your country,to improve your brain power!! I understand that many of your 20 yearolds are moving back home for lack of jobs, perhaps their parents can teach them something about personel responsibility, now that they are more likely to listen….Clemmie, more champagne!
Get Real
February 7th, 2013
12:13 pm
Regnad Kcin …not at all, very large sample and yes a lot are quite bright and I enjoy engaging in conversation whether we agree politically or not. From a college degree standpoint it usually boils down to business/engineering versus liberal arts as to how young people view the world.
For those that have not gone to school, now that is a really sad conversation
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
February 7th, 2013
12:13 pm
States with low rankings in education.
All Red states.
States high in those rankings with high percentages of college grads
Blue states.
Don’t you think that analysis would fall apart if you looked it on a county by county basis?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
12:14 pm
The Prez has 1st hand experience with this subject.
Coke-head Bush says, “What?”
Get Real
February 7th, 2013
12:15 pm
Butchey…is that the best you can do? For your sake I hope not…
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
12:15 pm
Morality – “In a grab for the “YOUTH” vote the Dems are considering legalizing marywanna.”
Maybe the YOUTH realize that by leglizing “marywanna” we could generate BILLIONS of dollars in revenue that currently go to the drug underworld. Why do you hate America?
Moderate Line
February 7th, 2013
12:15 pm
Brosephus™
February 7th, 2013
11:52 am
It is interesting to hear Dems personally trash Romney during the election but then declare that the Republicans lost because of a fundamental weakness of the party.
I can’t answer for Dems, but I personally trashed Romney because his entire campaign was a fraud. I’m probably more of a true conservative than he is, yet he took us on this magic carpet ride to show how conservative he was. Had he been true to who he was, he could have likely peeled off a good bit of the middle. Then again, had he done that, he wouldn’t have been the GOP nominee either.
++++
They were both frauds. They both flip flopped. Obama flop on debt ceiling, gay marriage, unilateral bombing, presidential appointed commission and reconciliation. Romney’s flopped on immigration, gay marriage, health care, abortion and a tax pledge.
They both say whatever it takes to get elected. Elections are a choice between two illusion.
Get Real
February 7th, 2013
12:16 pm
USinUK – former Girl Scout same goes for you
indigo
February 7th, 2013
12:17 pm
Milton Man – 10:56
As opposed to those Republicans who believe that raped women won’t get pregnant and science is from the pits of hell?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
12:17 pm
…business/engineering versus liberal arts…
Yes, the world is made up of two kinds of people; those that believe the world is made up of two kinds of people, and then there’s the rest of us.
JP
February 7th, 2013
12:17 pm
HDB
I think people today have a problem differentiating a sin (designated by God alone, not Man) from the individual human person. I do not have the authority to judge my fellow man, nor do I have the authority to make sin “inclusive” to society. It is not discriminating, nor homophobic, by accepting the sacrament and institution of marriage as being between a man and a woman (indeed it respects God’s Law and Natural Law). Marriage is a covenant relationship that many people, sadly even many husbands and wives today fail to recognize (which is why the divorce rate and broken homes are so rampant).
Get Real
February 7th, 2013
12:18 pm
Just an example Kammie Poo, don’t go over board
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 7th, 2013
12:18 pm
“As the chart indicates, among young voters, the GOP is significantly underperforming both its overall numbers and its historic numbers among the young.”
And ………….. because our culture (morally, politically, economically and spiritually) will in all probability continue to decline, those numbers will probably get much, much worse.
The truly sad part is that liberals think this is a good thing.
Emotion vs. Reason.
Get ready America.
Brosephus™
February 7th, 2013
12:20 pm
They were both frauds. They both flip flopped. Obama flop on debt ceiling, gay marriage, unilateral bombing, presidential appointed commission and reconciliation. Romney’s flopped on immigration, gay marriage, health care, abortion and a tax pledge.
True. “I” knew that I wasn’t voting for Obama, so “I” was looking to see what would inspire me to vote for Romney. What “I” saw in Romney’s campaign did not inspire me to vote for him.
Elections are a choice between two illusion.
Only for those who use campaigns to judge the candidates. I guess that I’m a bit more of a detective due to my work habits. I don’t go only by what they say. I look at actions, mannerisms, and other things to determine whether I like a candidate or not. Neither one left me inspired.
Morality?
February 7th, 2013
12:20 pm
The problem the Dems have with the YOUTH vote is they GET OLDER and WISER. Legalizing marywanna on the Fed level may cut it with a few YOUTH but as they become adults their main concern will not be GETTING HIGH but getting a JOB and actually having a FUTURE. As Samuel L. Jackson said in his famous Ebony Magazine interview “I didn’t vote for Obama ’cause he’s got a plan to save America. Obama ain’t got no G D plan to save America. I voted for him ’cause he’s black.” The YOUTH will need a PREZ with a plan for the FISCAL survival of the USA and Obama ain’t got no plan.
Madmax
February 7th, 2013
12:22 pm
Obama reminds me of a failing company. Just flitting from one crisis to another without ever taking control and fixing the underlying causes. Amazing how the same people who pillared the management of Hostess support Obama who’s doing a worse job.
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
12:23 pm
Morality – “The YOUTH will need a PREZ with a plan for the FISCAL survival of the USA and Obama ain’t got no plan.”
I thought you just said that he was looking to legalize “marywanna”. What, profits generated from the legalization of a currently illegal substance isn’t good enough for you?
Jefferson
February 7th, 2013
12:24 pm
The times change and you have to change with them.
GT
February 7th, 2013
12:24 pm
The Republican are convinced the population will change it’s thinking, the party does not have to change what it believes in or is doing, just communicate it better. Let see a bank robber calls a bank and says,” I need your money, I would appreciate you leaving the safe open so I can come over and get the money I need. Thank you very much.” No communication on earth sells that message. Stop robbing banks would be my suggestion but who am I. God they make this too easy!
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
12:24 pm
Madmax – “Obama reminds me of a failing company.”
What does Romney, the man who lost to Obama, remind you of?
Madmax
February 7th, 2013
12:26 pm
Butch – now that’s a conundrum. To grow it, you need to protect it which requires the use of heavy duty firearms which is against his take the guns away policy. seems like a dog chasing his tail.
keith
February 7th, 2013
12:27 pm
Without the NRA and GOP what would bookman write about? Hes real BOOOOOOOOOORING.
Jefferson
February 7th, 2013
12:28 pm
Just try to buy leaded gas….
ken
February 7th, 2013
12:28 pm
All the young that I know realise that hope of getting a good job are slim to none. 40% of college grads are working at a job that they are overqualified for. Talk to any high school guidance counselor and you will get your eyes opened about how students feel about their future and our future. Many more are asking, ” Why go to college “. ” Without a job, I will not be able to pay back loans”.
Marty Huggins'
February 7th, 2013
12:28 pm
Morality?
February 7th, 2013
12:20 pm
Legalizing pot would add many legal jobs, who would also then pay taxes on said income.
It would also eliminate a cash source for many of today’s organized criminal elements.
See prohibition.
What is the negative of legalizing weed with similar restrictions similar to alcohol and tobacco?
It’s already easier for a high school student to obtain weed than beer.
Madmax
February 7th, 2013
12:29 pm
Butch – Romney is irrelevant now in case you didn’t notice. Obama is the president and he is responsible for what is and is not happening.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
12:30 pm
Obama reminds me of a failing company.
Kenny-boy Lay of Enron says, “What?”
Morality?
February 7th, 2013
12:30 pm
B C – By legalizing marywanna we are continuing to genetically alter our future. From the drug generation we get auto immune diseases that never existed before, we get autism that is elevating at an alarming rate, from the drug generation we are getting brain diseases, muscle diseases and genetic mutations that did not exist 50, 40, 30, 20 years ago. Obama’s “culture” and Hollyweird are leading our YOUTH to drug addiction and heart ache. I say it is YOU promoters of drug use that HATE and want to poison the YOUTH of America for your GREED.
Moderate Line
February 7th, 2013
12:30 pm
godless heathen – owner of many things he does not need
February 7th, 2013
12:13 pm
States with low rankings in education.
All Red states.
States high in those rankings with high percentages of college grads
Blue states.
Don’t you think that analysis would fall apart if you looked it on a county by county basis?
++++
Obama Romney Other
No high school:3%64%35%1%
High school graduate:21% 51% 48% 1%
Some college:29% 49% 48% 3%
College graduate:29% 47% 51% 2%
Postgraduate:18% 55% 42% 3%
http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president
The only education level that Romney won was college graduates. It is interesting that Dems would make fun of Republicans intelligence for three reason.
1. The only Romney won was college graduates.
2. The Democrats claim to be more tolerate but yet they make fun of people who are not smart by diminishing the value of their vote.
3. The constantly complain about how making voting more complicated dimishes their vote.
TiredOfIt
February 7th, 2013
12:30 pm
Five minutes of listing to one of the GOP spokesmen e.g. Fox, Rush, Shawn, etc and anyone with basic common sense can see them for what they are. And it not good, plus their obsession with lying.
GT
February 7th, 2013
12:30 pm
Dead on Butch, even FOX is moving funiture realizing who the loser is, and a Republcan is coming to Atlanta to try to learn how to get more minority votes. My suggestion is to ask the Democrat Party or better yet join em, the winners, if you can’t beat em join em.
Christian Conservative
February 7th, 2013
12:31 pm
Wait till they get older and start paying taxes.. Then they’ll realize that the dem party is the party of waste….. Hence the severe turn to voting Republican as they get older…. Nice try jay but this tripe is worthless… Red meat for the Bookman buffoons though…..
Jhunt163
February 7th, 2013
12:32 pm
Glad I finally got those pesky 2 trillion dollars in cuts explained to me. I have been trying to figure that one out for over a month.
http://factcheck.org/2013/02/reid-twice-wrong-on-2-6-trillion-cuts/
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
12:32 pm
Then they’ll realize that the dem party is the party of waste…
Haliburton says, “What?”
USinUK - former Girl Scout
February 7th, 2013
12:33 pm
“USinUK – former Girl Scout same goes for you”
what? that I’m serious about my future and very involved in politics?
why yes. yes, I am.
philosopher
February 7th, 2013
12:35 pm
Get Real
February 7th, 2013
12:04 pm
Have you talked to a young person lately? Absolutely clueless as to what is going on in the world and their priorities are a joke. In general, they just do not have the wherewithal to comprehend how today’s issues will affect their future…truly sad
Actually, I do talk to young people… daily. I have three of my own that I taught to think and speak for themselves and we, along with their friends. frequently engage in lively discussions about current events. Conservatives and liberals alike are represented. I am impressed with their interest and insight and ability to articulate. They certainly make more sense than the folks who represent the Republican party these days.
Common Sense
February 7th, 2013
12:36 pm
Common sense would tell you that when you look at these numbers younger voters are not very informed on politics yet. That they don’t have skin in the game. Once they begin to inform themselves and realize that they may perhaps have a family depending on them their opinion changes. The Republican Party seems to stand for lower taxes. Dems want higher taxes. Having more money in your pocket once you enter the workforce is looked at favorably.
Mick
February 7th, 2013
12:36 pm
**From the drug generation we get auto immune diseases that never existed before, we get autism that is elevating at an alarming rate, from the drug generation we are getting brain diseases, muscle diseases and genetic mutations that did not exist 50, 40, 30, 20 years ago. **
Wild speculation at minimum! Hell it could be from monsanto and all the chemicals they use to grow food, not to mention the genetic mutations that we don’t know about…
Aquagirl
February 7th, 2013
12:36 pm
By legalizing marywanna we are continuing to genetically alter our future.
Somebody’s on a bad e-mail trip.
GT
February 7th, 2013
12:36 pm
“Butch – Romney is irrelevant now in case you didn’t notice. Obama is the president and he is responsible for what is and is not happening.”
Romney and the Republican party are irrelevant is what you meant to say. How that old trick you used to hold the country hostage, by shutting down the government work for ya? Learn new tricks or better yet get out of the trick business and try growing up for a change.
Christian Conservative
February 7th, 2013
12:37 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
Then they’ll realize that the dem party is the party of waste…
Haliburton says, “What?”
The trillion dollar stimulus waste says, “What”?
Morality?
February 7th, 2013
12:39 pm
“What is the negative of legalizing weed? DUMB QUESTION! To you Dems of low morals and greed for the almighty dollar to feed the Fed coffers to keep your SOCIALIST social plans from failing you would sell the future and the soul of our YOUTH. Drugs alter the long term genetic structure of the body and mind. Autism, auto immune diseases, increase in drug addiction, destruction of the family structure and a burdensome increase on the disability and health care systems of this country – increasing the cost of “taking care” of these ruined lives will more than offset your “quick fix” for the Fed coffers by legalizing drugs.
Moderate Line
February 7th, 2013
12:40 pm
Morality?
February 7th, 2013
12:30 pm
B C – By legalizing marywanna we are continuing to genetically alter our future. From the drug generation we get auto immune diseases that never existed before, we get autism that is elevating at an alarming rate, from the drug generation we are getting brain diseases, muscle diseases and genetic mutations that did not exist 50, 40, 30, 20 years ago.
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That is an odd statement to make considering that most drugs were legal up to the beginning of the 20th century. Where were all these genetic mutations before. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_history_of_marijuana_in_the_United_States
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
12:40 pm
Drugs alter the long term genetic structure of the body and mind.
Coke-head Bush says, “What?”
Mick
February 7th, 2013
12:42 pm
**The trillion dollar stimulus says**
Finally, some money for americans in america!!!
GT
February 7th, 2013
12:42 pm
C. Conservative you are working those generalities again. There is a few thousand lives wasted on your special interest wars that you send our boys and now the ladies to fight. Your drug war has cost us billions with a big zero on the score board, now unlike how you people waste money running losing campaigns. Save the waste comments you are looking foolish again old boy.
Madmax
February 7th, 2013
12:42 pm
GT – not arguing with you on the 1st point – just saying it’s Obama & the Dem’s now. You own it. If it works, good for all of us. If it doesn’t, the demographics of Jay’s chart will change.
Your second point is irrelevant – see the 1st point
Regnad Kcin
February 7th, 2013
12:42 pm
“which is against his take the guns away policy.”
Which shows that you have no knowlege of the issue. Do you ever wonder why people ignore your posts when they contain statements as stupid as that?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
12:43 pm
The trillion dollar stimulus waste says, “What”?
Bush’s 2008 stimulus says, “What?”
Mad Max
February 7th, 2013
12:44 pm
Obama and the Democratic Party need to realize that in 2013 their enemy is not the Republican Party. It is the laws of economics.
Regnad Kcin
February 7th, 2013
12:44 pm
“All the young that I know realise that hope of getting a good job are slim to none.”
Many of the young people I know already have job offers lined up for after they complete their degrees.
Perhaps you should hang out with a better class of “young people.”
USinUK - former Girl Scout
February 7th, 2013
12:45 pm
“increasing the cost of “taking care” of these ruined lives will more than offset your “quick fix” for the Fed coffers by legalizing drugs.”
by your measure, then we should reinstate prohibition as alcohol causes more health and societal problems than marijuana.
indigo
February 7th, 2013
12:45 pm
Morality – 12:39
Surprise!!!
For different reasons, I too am totaly against the legalization of marijuana.
We all know that 50% of all FATAL car crashes are alcohol related. Imagine adding to that a country full of stoned drivers.
I for one don’t want to add another worry to my driving by having to be constantly alert to stoned drivers, in addtion to the drunk, texting and just plain bad drivers.
USinUK - former Girl Scout
February 7th, 2013
12:47 pm
““All the young that I know realise that hope of getting a good job are slim to none.””
maybe you should stop hanging out with 14-year olds … all the 20-somethings I know either have jobs or are in good internships
USinUK - former Girl Scout
February 7th, 2013
12:48 pm
“I for one don’t want to add another worry to my driving by having to be constantly alert to stoned drivers”
yeah. because there aren’t ANY on the roads now
Morality?
February 7th, 2013
12:48 pm
Kamchuck – Why are you discriminating against Prez Obama by leaving him out of your “coke head” label for Presidents? As he openly admitted he “experimented” with weed, croke, and other drugs? If we had drug tested for Prez candidates would Obama have passed? Why don’t we do systematic drug testing for Congress and the Prez; as our National Security is at risk with potential drug addicts in charge?
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 7th, 2013
12:48 pm
The only education level that Romney won was college graduates. It is interesting that Dems would make fun of Republicans intelligence for three reason.
People with advanced degrees overwhelming voted for Obama.
And states with higher percentage of college grads all went to Obama
Case closed.
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
12:49 pm
Morality – “Obama’s “culture” and Hollyweird are leading our YOUTH to drug addiction and heart ache. I say it is YOU promoters of drug use that HATE and want to poison the YOUTH of America for your GREED.”
Wow, you must really be pissed at the Jack Daniels people.
Regnad Kcin
February 7th, 2013
12:49 pm
“Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
Then they’ll realize that the dem party is the party of waste…
Haliburton says, “What?”
The trillion dollar stimulus waste says, “What”?”
CC – not everyone would agree that the Bush stimulus was “waste.”
Christian Conservative
February 7th, 2013
12:50 pm
GT
C. Conservative you are working those generalities again. There is a few thousand lives wasted on your special interest wars that you send our boys and now the ladies to fight. Your drug war has cost us billions with a big zero on the score board, now unlike how you people waste money running losing campaigns. Save the waste comments you are looking foolish again old boy.
I realize sometimes reality is a hard pill to swallow for you loony libs but its a fact that much of gubmint waste is attributed to dem policies. Now settle down little fella and clear that keyboard of the foam your spewing and make some sense man….
DannyX
February 7th, 2013
12:50 pm
“Wow, you must really be pissed at the Jack Daniels people.”
And the pharmaceutical companies.
Regnad Kcin
February 7th, 2013
12:51 pm
“Drugs alter the long term genetic structure of the body and mind. Autism, auto immune diseases….”
Whew, Morality – it seems you’ve had some VERY bad drug experiences. My sympathy.
alittlecommonsense
February 7th, 2013
12:51 pm
Cheesy says – “The more educated a person. The more likely the vote Democratic”
Wrong. The people who support this usually look at things on a state by state level. I.E. they make the assumption that every person in Georgia voted Republican. Very sloppy statistically.
Republicans have higher IQ’s -
http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2008/11/politics-and-iq-conservative-democrats.html
Education is about the same depending on what you are looking at – i.e. non H.S. graduates and post-grad both tend to go to Democrat. So it is difficult to “average” the data. Note the following link is “whites only” and would probably tilt a little more toward Republicans if all races were considered.
http://andrewgelman.com/2012/03/voting-patterns-of-americas-whites-from-the-masses-to-the-elites/
Republicans are FAR more knowledgeable about politics and history -
http://gulagbound.com/35139/republicans-more-educated-informed-higher-political-iq-per-liberal-pew-poll/
GT
February 7th, 2013
12:52 pm
Madmax I think Obama will go down as one of the greatest presidents ever. I like the responsibility he has to take it is like saying I won the Super Bowl and was MVP.
The right has ruin this economy and tried to hang that on O. He was too busy swimming and not drowning in the first term but now he has started chasing Wall Street like he is chasing these terrorist. He appointed White head of SEC, he has a consumer czar going after the banks, and he is redirecting the charge to where the real problems are. Government spending only skyrocketed settling eight long years of Bush’s accounts unattended. O has taken the rights full measure and is forcing them to change, that is how we measure a president. And illegal immigrants are better served today as we all are. You couldn’t beat him then and you won’t beat him now and when the propaganda dies from the right and a clear picture is drawn it will be also clear he saved your and my bacon. I say thank you so much Mr. President for being the only adult in the room.
DannyX
February 7th, 2013
12:52 pm
“I realize sometimes reality is a hard pill to swallow for you loony libs but its a fact that much of gubmint waste is attributed to dem policies.”
Does anyone know when Chip Rogers starts his new job?
Peadawg
February 7th, 2013
12:52 pm
Kamspam’s livin’ in the past.
**in b4 peapup comeback**
Christian Conservative
February 7th, 2013
12:52 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
The trillion dollar stimulus waste says, “What”?
Bush’s 2008 stimulus says, “What?”
Reality to libs says, “What”?
That was obama’s stimulus… Now put your dunce hat on and get in the corner…
Morality?
February 7th, 2013
12:53 pm
Indigo – Don’t you just love it when someone says drug addicts are already on the roads killing people? Don’t these morons realize that if weed is legalized there will be even MORE on the roads killing people – not to mention in the job place.
DannyX
February 7th, 2013
12:55 pm
“I realize sometimes reality is a hard pill to swallow for you loony libs but its a fact that much of gubmint waste is attributed to dem policies.”
Speaking of swallowing pills, did the Republicans ever come up with a plan to fund their socialist Medicare Part D drug plan?
Regnad Kcin
February 7th, 2013
12:55 pm
“Drugs alter the long term genetic structure of the body and mind. Autism, auto immune diseases….”
Morality, please, do tell us more about the “genetic structure of the mind”.
Madmax
February 7th, 2013
12:55 pm
GT – all I can say is WOW. I’ve so misjudged the president. Thank you for letting me see the light.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
12:56 pm
That was obama’s stimulus… Now put your dunce hat on and get in the corner…
Obama wasn’t sworn in until Jan 20, 2009, sport.
Christian Conservative
February 7th, 2013
12:57 pm
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
People with advanced degrees overwhelming voted for Obama.
And states with higher percentage of college grads all went to Obama
Case closed.
Do you have data to back that up or you just pulled that out of thin air? No accurate number could be determined on who voted for who but its pretty obvious that the poor and uneducated overwhelmingly voted for obama….
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
12:57 pm
Morality – “Don’t these morons realize that if weed is legalized there will be even MORE on the roads killing people”
Soooo…..by your logic, someone who has never smoked weed, will suddenly start smoking weed on a daily basis because it’s legal? I hate to tell you, the peole who like to smoke weed are already doing it. The people who don’t care for it aren’t suddenly going to start. It’s not like weed is really hard to get in this day and age.
Regnad Kcin
February 7th, 2013
12:58 pm
“Bush’s 2008 stimulus says, “What?”
Reality to libs says, “What”?
That was obama’s stimulus… Now put your dunce hat on and get in the corner…”
Yeah, because Obama was President in 2008. *sigh*
GT
February 7th, 2013
12:58 pm
C. Comservative I voted for a Republican in the last four years have you voted for a Democrat. I know the answer but why am I a liberal just because the truth is what I vote for? If the cure of our problem, you thinking I am a luny just call me Tick, whatever but funny how we keep winning.
DannyX
February 7th, 2013
12:58 pm
“I realize sometimes reality is a hard pill to swallow for you loony libs but its a fact that much of gubmint waste is attributed to dem policies.”
Speaking of waste, did the Republicans ever come up with a plan to fund their stupid and wasteful Iraq war? That’ll be about a trillion dollars, cha ching!
Who would Jesus shock and awe?
Aquagirl
February 7th, 2013
1:01 pm
Don’t these morons realize that if weed is legalized there will be even MORE on the roads killing people – not to mention in the job place.
Oh lawdy, stoners everywhere! Hide your Cheetos!
In actual real science world—you can stop reading now, Morality—-the evil gub’mint is working on a test that could determine how long ago you smoked pot. I think if we could set a standard time then it could remove the OMG KILLER DOPEHEADS argument.
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/180490/states-developing-a-marijuana-breathalyzer-for-stoned-driving/
Of course people who are worried about bad driving due to drug-related genetic switcharoonies will never be happy. They’ll start screaming OMG KILLER MUTANTS.
Morality?
February 7th, 2013
1:02 pm
I Q CHART ……… Brain Surgeon, Rocket Scientist, Stock Market Guru, Biochemical Engineer, CPA, Electrician, Plumber, “Educator in the Public School System”, >>>>>>>>> Congress >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BRAIN DEAD ZOMBIES THAT VOTED OBAMA.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 7th, 2013
1:03 pm
B. Cassidy — “Wow, you must really be pissed at the Jack Daniels people.”
I am, but only because they cut the strength of JD to 80 proof.
DannyX
February 7th, 2013
1:03 pm
“Do you have data to back that up or you just pulled that out of thin air?”
http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president
Post Grads
Obama 55%
Romney 42%
Morality?
February 7th, 2013
1:04 pm
IQ CHART continued >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kcin.
GT
February 7th, 2013
1:04 pm
Madmax you were wrong along with Morris, Karl Rove and FOX, how do yall miss the target so badly? Is it you are blind to what the other half of the world is doing, like minorities and women? Are you going to go the rest of your life not knowing the rest of the story, because if you do every day will seem like the first Tuesday of Nov. 2012, enjoy. But O will pull you through so hang in there.
DannyX
February 7th, 2013
1:04 pm
“I am, but only because they cut the strength of JD to 80 proof.”
I stopped buying it because of that, JD used to be my favorite.
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
1:05 pm
Morality – “I Q CHART ……… Brain Surgeon, Rocket Scientist, Stock Market Guru, Biochemical Engineer, CPA, Electrician, Plumber, “Educator in the Public School System”, >>>>>>>>> Congress ”
Sweet, my dad and I made 2nd and 3rd on your chart. Although, as an Aerospace Engineer, I would have ranked him higher than me. He designed missle systems for over 30 years whereas I, as a broker, simply made money off of the buying and selling of money. Thanks for the props Chief.
Morality?
February 7th, 2013
1:06 pm
HAVE A GOOD DAY! ( smiley face patent applied for )
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
1:08 pm
I stopped buying it because of that, JD used to be my favorite.
George Dickel ivory label is better.
Christian Conservative
February 7th, 2013
1:08 pm
Regnad Kcin
“Bush’s 2008 stimulus says, “What?”
Reality to libs says, “What”?
That was obama’s stimulus… Now put your dunce hat on and get in the corner…”
Yeah, because Obama was President in 2008. *sigh*
Wow you fruits are totally lost… obama and the dem controlled Congress passed the stimulus waste… Google is your friend…. Now u go stand in the dunce corner….
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/29231790/ns/politics-white_house/t/obama-stimulus-lets-americans-claim-destiny/
DannyX
February 7th, 2013
1:08 pm
“HAVE A GOOD DAY!”
Good idea, you and Christian Conservative are getting your butts kicked.
Morality?
February 7th, 2013
1:08 pm
P.S. Don’t hate the 1 % – Obama is a member.
philosopher
February 7th, 2013
1:10 pm
” Don’t these morons realize that if weed is legalized there will be even MORE on the roads killing people – not to mention in the job place.”
Not really…the few who don’t stay home munching happily and contemplating a peaceful future would simply mozey along the roads a little slower, not engage themselves in road rage, and occasionally might wait for a stop sign to turn green…otherwise, they would be hardly detectable from the texters on the highway now.
Christian Conservative
February 7th, 2013
1:11 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
That was obama’s stimulus… Now put your dunce hat on and get in the corner…
Obama wasn’t sworn in until Jan 20, 2009, sport.
You may want to do some research sport…..
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/29231790/ns/politics-white_house/t/obama-stimulus-lets-americans-claim-destiny/#.URPtfB0eiSo
Regnad Kcin
February 7th, 2013
1:12 pm
“IQ CHART continued >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kcin.”
Thanks, Morality. I’ll consider it a badge of honor.
Christian Conservative
February 7th, 2013
1:13 pm
I’m amazed looking through these posts at how stupid liberal truly are… They think Bush signed the stimulus bill! Hilarious….
Marty Huggins'
February 7th, 2013
1:13 pm
Morality?
February 7th, 2013
12:39 pm
So we are all to assume you are “straight edge” as in you don’t consume any alcohol or drugs.
However from your pedestal may I ask do you drink coffee? How about soda?
Have you ever had surgery? How did you deal with the pain after the surgery?
What about during the surgery? Did you watch them do it?
If by any chance you have engaged of the use of any of these “drugs”
May i ask why you are choosing to, do all of the above you have mentioned to your body?
Also why should the drugs you use should be legal but pot can’t be in your eyes?
Joe Hussein Mama
February 7th, 2013
1:15 pm
K’Chak — “George Dickel ivory label is better.”
May I introduce you to Gentleman Jack?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentleman_Jack
While it is also 80 proof, the difference between it and the standard black label Jack is night and day, IMO. GJ gets a second trip through the charcoal column and my goodness, it is SMOOTH.
alex
February 7th, 2013
1:15 pm
I believe that Granny proposed that post grad degrees make one more tolerant and by implication more liberal and thus vote more De. I wonder dear AARP member if you have ever been in on a tenure committee meeting? I believe it is also possible that the insular academic community is highly intolerant of opposing opinions. I think that if the statisticians evaluated the economic implications of a lawyer or professor voying repub there might be some interesting implications. Could this be another example of noise? Mabye, mabye not. Methinks there is more to the data than just sweeping generalizations, So, Jay and Granny should we accept these poorly constructed graphs and charts or should we use a bayesian analytical approach . But it’s eassier to understand what we already believe……..
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
1:15 pm
President Bush Signs H.R. 5140, the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008
Bush’s 2008 stimulus says, “What?”
Christian Conservative
February 7th, 2013
1:16 pm
DannyX
“HAVE A GOOD DAY!”
Good idea, you and Christian Conservative are getting your butts kicked.
I guess you were the little kid on the playground that gets beat up and runs home to tell mommy that you outta see the other kids fist though…..
Vet
February 7th, 2013
1:16 pm
Democrats won th election but they don’t enjoy it for the hate that they carry for Republicans ! Young people will look at other views when they can’t find jobs as unemployment remains as it is now.!
Joe Hussein Mama
February 7th, 2013
1:18 pm
CC — “I’m amazed looking through these posts at how stupid liberal truly are… They think Bush signed the stimulus bill! Hilarious….”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Stimulus_Act_of_2008
Christian Conservative
February 7th, 2013
1:19 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
1:15 pm
President Bush Signs H.R. 5140, the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008
Bush’s 2008 stimulus says, “What?”
This is a tax break dunce… obama signed the $800-1.2 trillion stimulus waste that has our budgets ballooning… That’s a fact…. Look at the link… Arguing with you dense people is like arguing with a stop sign… Inform yourself man….
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
1:19 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
I haven’t tried the Gentleman Jack, but I have shared a sip or two of the Tennessee Honey with my nephew. Not real fond of the sweetness. If I’m in the mood for sour mash, I go for the Dickel, but I may have to try the GJ.
Regnad Kcin
February 7th, 2013
1:20 pm
“President Bush Signs H.R. 5140, the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008
Bush’s 2008 stimulus says, “What?””
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No need to add Kcin>>>>>>>Morality? LOL!!
Christian Conservative
February 7th, 2013
1:22 pm
The stupidity of libs…. Arguing a $300 rebate check sent from Bush compared to a trillion dollar stimulus package signed by obama… Amazing….
Marty Huggins'
February 7th, 2013
1:23 pm
For the record morality……
When it comes to driving I have had the pleasure of riding both with drunk drivers and high drivers.
Would always prefer a sober driver but if I gots to choose between the two……
I’ll go with the hi driver. They obey every law ( it’s the paranoia) and unless you have somewhere to be in a hurry you’re good. Hi drivers go slower and tend to make more pit stops in my experience (it’s the munchies).
Drunk drivers are just out of control go fast stop fast and swerve too.
But it is becoming very obvious you have not spent much time with petiole who only smoke weed and don’t engage in other hallucinogens. Because you seem to have the hippie burn out 60s charecter. When in reality it’s your dentist, or a teacher at the local school, it’s the businessman and the forewoman.
Also don’t know what pot heads you hang around but all the ones I’ve ever known ain’t trying to go anywhere when they are hi.
philosopher
February 7th, 2013
1:24 pm
There are some folks here today that could really benefit from a toke or two…just sayin’
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
1:26 pm
SHEETZ
appleseed
February 7th, 2013
1:27 pm
Butch you are on a roll today.Keep it up.Bringing back the post of TD,CC et al akin to blasphemy.Must be slow in,around city.
HDB
February 7th, 2013
1:27 pm
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/23/opinion/martin-gop-black-voters/index.html
Regnad Kcin
February 7th, 2013
1:27 pm
“The stupidity of libs…. Arguing a $300 rebate check sent from Bush compared to a trillion dollar stimulus package signed by obama… Amazing….”
CC – words mean things. When you say something, all we have to go by are the words you say – we can’t see the movie (or whatever) going on in your head (thank gods).
Try saying what you mean, instead of saying something untrue, and then getting angry because you have to backtrack to what you meant.
td
February 7th, 2013
1:34 pm
Have not had time to read the entire blog today but I would like to mention the following. The youth vote has historically voted democratic (Reagan 2nd term and GHWB the only anomaly) because they think they can save the world and believe that government can be used to save the world. When a group gets older (and I say wiser), start having responsibilities and start building wealth then they start to become more conservative in thinking.
Let us take 1976 for instance: The 18-29 group in that Presidential election turned out (32% of the electorate) and voted for the Democratic candidate 54% to 46% for a plus 9 in the Democratic favor. This same group in 2012 mainly fit in the 65 plus category and they voted for Romney 56% to 44% advantage or plus 12 advantage for the Republican.
http://partisanid.blogspot.com/2012/11/2012-youth-vote-anomaly-or-permanent.html
Moderate Line
February 7th, 2013
1:43 pm
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 7th, 2013
12:48 pm
People with advanced degrees overwhelming voted for Obama.
Advance degrees only accounts for 18% of the vote. Since Obama received approximately 50% of the vote. Advance degrees only account for about 19.8% of Obama’s vote total. He also won those with a high school diploma. High school and some college.
And states with higher percentage of college grads all went to Obama.
That still doesn’t change the fact that somebody with a college education regardless of state is more likely to vote Republican. Someone who attended college is more likely to vote Republican.
The least educated people tend to vote Democrat. The most educated people tend to vote Democrat. Those in the middle tend to vote Republican.
Case not closed.
alex
February 7th, 2013
1:44 pm
Please, no more “SPORT” from either side, unless your wearing a turtleneck shirt and lifting a glass of champagne , while riding a polo pony on the green turf in Bermuda….
alex
February 7th, 2013
1:51 pm
Since, I suspect, lawyers make up a high % of the post graduate vote, I have a difficult time equating intelligence with voting Dem. Or, to be a little less cynical,I suspect that a lawyer voting Dem has more to do with their economic interests than their educational level (any tort reform in Obamacare? I think not)
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
2:02 pm
Please, no more “SPORT” from either side…
No, sport.
Carlos
February 7th, 2013
2:40 pm
Isn’t know that young people tend to be more liberal and progressive thinking while older people are more conservative and traditional. Thats why colleges are dominated with liberals and talk radio is dominated by conservative pundits. I mean who still listens to AM radio.
Uh Huh...
February 7th, 2013
3:18 pm
@Christian Conservative
February 7th, 2013
1:22 pm
The stupidity of libs…. Arguing a $300 rebate check sent from Bush compared to a trillion dollar stimulus package signed by obama… Amazing….
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Whose stupidity?
Be careful of the stones you throw.
Republicans Loved Stimulus When Bush Was in the White House
President Bush lauded the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 for providing “a booster shot for our economy … [putting] money back into the hands of American workers and businesses.” Reps. Eric Cantor (R-VA) and John Boehner (R-OH) as well as Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) all seemed to agree, as did nearly 200 other Republican members of Congress that voted in support of the bill.
And just in case you thought President George W. Bush’s stimulus bill was simply a bunch of TAX CUTS, it also included $40 billion in DIRECT SPENDING. The legislation was even called the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008.
Cons are HYPOCRITES AND JUST AS STUPID.
JKL2
February 7th, 2013
3:32 pm
The party of handouts is winning the hearts and minds of the fat, lazy, spoiled, under-educated, selfish, attention deficit suffering children they were able to indoctrinate the few years they were forced to attend school before dropping out.
Yawn…didn’t see that one coming.
JKL2
February 7th, 2013
3:41 pm
Uh Huh- Whose stupidity? Be careful of the stones you throw. Republicans Loved Stimulus When Bush Was in the White House
Outside of Med-D, the worst thing Bush did in the White House.
Demwits like to call Bush the “worst president ever” but stand and applaud when obama does the exact same thing Bush did in even greater fashion.
Liberals are HYPOCRITES AND JUST AS STUPID
Meh. Just another commentor
February 7th, 2013
4:32 pm
Young people are trending quite socially libertarian, which makes the Republican party quite unpalatable.
Why? It’s brand of ‘conservatism’ is too quasi-religious and its economics seem to reward corruption.
If the Republic party wants to do well with young people, then they need to keep 3 things in mind:
1. Personal liberty. You can’t claim you’re for less government if you want drug laws that do aways with probably cause and due process and fingers in every vagina in every doctor’s office. Young people view the GOP’s ‘personal freedoms/small government/government out of my life’ line as completely laughable because of so called ‘cultural’ issues like the above. Young people also perceive that GOP support for spying on everyone and draconian punishments for things like lying on a website signup form are in this category.
2. Science is not voodoo. Young people live in a world of technology and science. In a world where science can use environmental factors to evolve changes and traits in a laboratory a party that keeps pushing anti-science thinly veiled religious dogma into schools can’t be seen as anything but ludicrous. It also undermines national security and competitiveness on the international stage – considering how ‘controversial’ evolution, environmental/health protection, and global warming are, it’s no wonder there’s a shortage of scientists and engineers.
3. The economics of government entanglement with Wall Street. Young people readily perceive that Republicans want to reward Wall Street for an astounding level of corruption that tanked the national economy, and dislike the ‘corporations are people’ type lines and legalities. Young people want a competitive free market without onerous regulation. But they think that means there should be clear and simple rules that don’t reward unscrupulous behavior or give businesses too much say in writing laws. IP issues are also in this category. Young people want to make YouTube videos, not read about how Disney paid off the government to buy another ‘Mickey Mouse’ copyright extension. In young people’s minds, the ‘free market’ is really a conglomeration of business and government trending towards collusion and corruption.
A good example of an issue that hits #1, #2 and #3 is Internet gambling – a corporate interest (land based casinos) has combined with morality zealots (gambling haters) to destroy a personal liberty (gambling on the Internet) in violation of free market principals, all while omitting any legislation of similarly addictive online games, and in general, with complete avoidance of any scientific research evaluating the supposed ‘problem’.
Quite frankly young people aren’t not so much Democrats (who they don’t agree with so much as merely find not utterly horrifying) as they are scared of a Republican party that is perceived, more or less correctly, as an amalgamation of racists, misogynists, gay haters, religious zealots, science haters, and corrupt businessmen who all want to look out for their short term obsessions instead of the country’s welfare. Witness the popularity of people like Ron Paul with many young people, who they often incorrectly perceive as being in line with views along the lines of points 1, 2, and 3 above.
Unfortunately this does not seem likely to change.
Tom Middleton
February 7th, 2013
6:51 pm
Jay, it used to be the young could be counted on not to show up and vote. But see what happens when they do? They got the president they wanted!!!!
Just saying
February 7th, 2013
10:00 pm
Ron Paul attracted nearly 10,000 to hear him speak at UC Berkeley. Multiple thousands at UCLA and the same was repeated at colleges all over the country. The young want to hear the message of liberty and freedom, not dependency (as the democrats espouse) or crony capitalism and endless war (as the republicans promote). If the republicans and democrats hadn’t conspired to prevent 3rd parties from getting on the ballot in most states, they both would already be in the dustbin of history. Liberty and freedom have a universal appeal, and neither of the two major parties are promoting either (and even if they give lip service, their totalitarian voting records reveal the truth)>
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Zak
February 10th, 2013
3:59 pm
The youth (and I’m one of them) are becoming more and more liberal. Republicans can’t survive much longer if it sticks to the current path its on (appealing to the far right wackos). They’re doing it now because they cant win elections without the enthusiasm of their base (who are old and white). But those voters will die out from age soon while America continues to become more diverse and liberal on many policies. Many Republicans see what I see. Their extinction is not far away if they dont move to the center. Theyre trying to at least make baby steps (immigration reform) in that direction. But thats still not enough.