GOP’s most daunting challenge is among the young
The political story of the week, month and probably the year continues to be the plight of the Republican Party and its belated effort to break its dependence on white, older Americans.
That’s why RNC Chair Reince Priebus is here in Atlanta, the capitol of black America, seeking input on how to reach African Americans. It’s also why U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio will be giving the GOP response to President Obama’s State of the Union address next week, and is leading a Republican effort to resolve its immigration challenge.
But Stu Rothenberg, writing in Roll Call, lays out what may be the most daunting challenge of all. As he notes, the GOP does very, very well among older voters, particularly older white voters. It does so well, in fact, that by rights it ought to be winning national elections easily:
“Romney … easily beat Obama among voters 45 and older, many of whom came of age politically during the Reagan years or whose views were formed by the Gipper’s brand of conservatism…. he won whites 65 years and older by 61 percent to 39 percent and whites 45-64 by 61 percent to 38 percent.”
But among young voters? Let’s take a look at how GOP presidential candidates have done among the general electorate, compared to how they’ve done among those aged 18-29:
As the chart indicates, among young voters, the GOP is significantly underperforming both its overall numbers and its historic numbers among the young.
Think of it this way: In 1984, Ronald Reagan got 59 percent of the 18-29 vote, and today, 28 years later, many of those young Reagan voters continue to think of themselves as Reagan Republicans and continue to vote that way. Many of those reading this are probably part of that demographic, and had their political views and loyalties formed in that era.
Fast-forward 24 years. In 2008, President Obama got 66 percent of the 18-29 vote, and last year he got 60 percent. When you start doing that cycle after cycle, you build an advantage that is hard to overcome. These are people who are going to be voting for the next half-century.
– Jay Bookman
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Thomas Heyward Jr
February 7th, 2013
11:26 am
My favorite was —————
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That reality demonstrates both the moral bankruptcy of the Bush approach and its essential anti-American nature. One of the key insights of our Founding Fathers was that government power should never go unchecked, because great unchecked power leads inevitably to arrogance and great unchecked abuse.
The Bush administration nonetheless claimed and exerted such power, and for a time the American people, judicial system and political leadership allowed that claim to stand. It was not our finest moment as a people.”
–Jay Bookman “Guantanamo an American Failure” November 25, 2008
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This was reposted in a blog about Bookman defends how Obama has changed “Due” Process to “Secret” process .
(h/t to flagboy?)
St Simons - he-ne-ha
February 7th, 2013
11:27 am
well first, I’m right here on the border, and I can tell you, if they think
mr Rubio is their wonderboy token for the brown vote, then their level
of utter disconnect from real America is staggering.
and second, does this culture even recognize Irony anymore?
a) The Republicans are meeting in Atlanta, the capital of black America,
to find out how they can be more inclusive.
b) The meeting is exclusive, and closed to the public (read ‘rabble’)
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 7th, 2013
11:27 am
lol
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
11:27 am
“People don’t like presidents who avoid responsibility, especially in times like these.”
-Recon 0311 2533 March 28th, 2012-
JP
February 7th, 2013
11:29 am
HDB,
I take it that you do not believe in objective truth [what was true yesterday, is true today, is true tomorrow...that fundamental truth is unchanging]?
I think moving away from our core truth goes against God, Natural Law, and our own human nature.
You are certainly welcome to disagree with me. I like learning about other people’s [respectfully worded] opinions.
But I will say this… If the modern culture is your barometer by which you measure “truth” (relativism), then what you will not accept today, you will accept in the future.
I have seen it happen too many times.
Granny Godzilla
February 7th, 2013
11:29 am
Mr. Mike
February 7th, 2013
11:19 am
Granny, et.al.
Actually Churchill lifted/plagiarized the quote from Georges Clemenceau; somewhat paraphrasing here “If my son wasn’t a socialist at age 20; I’d disown him. If he still was one at 40; I’d do it then”.
Winston’s quote about fighting the Germans “on the beaches, in the streets…we will never surrender” is also lifted from both Marshal Foch and Premier Clemenceau.
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ACTUALLY NO. Never said it.
http://www.winstonchurchill.org/learn/speeches/quotations/quotes-falsely-attributed
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
11:30 am
“Obamacare going down….”
Jm – March 28th, 2012
Redcoat
February 7th, 2013
11:30 am
“The party of No”….shouldn’t someone at least be trying to say no?…..the last are getting worn down……then what?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
11:30 am
My favorite from Tommie-poo:
http://www.thechicagodope.com/2010/11/11/cia-admits-drone-strike-killed-six-in-wisconsin-wedding-party/
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
11:32 am
“What are you libs going to do when everything comes crashing down on you next Tuesday?”
scott – October 31st, 2012
Moderate Line
February 7th, 2013
11:33 am
Brosephus™
February 7th, 2013
11:10 am
The elections right now are very close. Someone stated that the Dems have won 5 of 6 popular votes but the Republicans have won the house 14 of 20 years. They are very close.
Comparing apples to oranges with that one. House votes are based on districts whereas the popular vote is a total of the entire country. The GOP lost the popular vote for House candidates but maintain their majority status because of the way the districts are carved up.
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You are correct to some degree, however, except I would say the house election has more meaning because it strips away the personality of the two candidates. It is interesting to hear Dems personally trash Romney during the election but then declare that the Republicans lost because of a fundamental weakness of the party.
Also, you can point to the Republican losing the popular vote but that only accounts for one election and the difference was 48.8 Dem to 48.47 Rep. Also, it is difficult tell how the popular vote is affected by gerrymandering by both parties. There are only few competitive districts in the country.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/11/09/democratic-house-candidates-winning-the-popular-vote-despite-big-gop-majority/
philosopher
February 7th, 2013
11:34 am
While critical thinking skills and logic are skills woefully missing from educational institutions and most parenting, the age of communication is flooding young people with enough varied information that with their still young and flexible brains, they can sift and filter BS much better than the majority of their elders. Young people have always been underestimated,
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
11:34 am
“All Romney needs is CO, FL, OH and VA and this is a done deal. These states are called tossups for a reason. So don’t start celebrating yet, libs.”
kayaker 71 – October 31st, 2012
Regnad Kcin
February 7th, 2013
11:35 am
” If the GOP puts up any candidate just bit hipper than McCain or Romney, the gap will disappear overnight. Especially if the “hipness” comparison is with Clueless Joe or Old Lady Clinton.”
That’s the ticket! Just like “those people,” the young are easily manipulated, and aren’t smart enought to know what’s good for them.
Keep on with THAT strategy! It’s been working so well!
USinUK - former Girl Scout
February 7th, 2013
11:35 am
Butch … you are my new hero.
stands for decibels
February 7th, 2013
11:37 am
Ok, ok, I’ll see y’all’s stupid and raise you this:
“Don’t you think that the posters here should know that you [Jay] can watch them writing before the[y] post it?
“Wouldn’t that be the decent thing to do?”
USinUK - former Girl Scout
February 7th, 2013
11:38 am
dB – 11:37 … aaaaahhhhhh … good times …
Madmax
February 7th, 2013
11:39 am
Butch – stay clueless and keep believing in Santa Sam. He placing all these goodies out there and nobody but the 1% has to pay for them. It’s a nice fairytale but that’s all it is.
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
11:40 am
“Here’s a good example of why Romney and Conservatives will carry the day come Tuesday – one word – Bloomberg.”
JohnnyReb – November 2nd, 2012
DannyX
February 7th, 2013
11:41 am
RB from Gwinnett
November 29, 2007 8:29 AM
“I drove by the SIGN ON I-85 near downtown that has the number of homes for sale in Atlanta earlier this week. It was down from 109K to 105K since about 2 months ago. Could any of the FINANCE CHALLENGED liberals on this site please explain how the number of homes for sale could go down by 5% in a “horrible housing market”?”
USinUK - former Girl Scout
February 7th, 2013
11:43 am
“nobody but the 1% ”
keep believing the lie, Maxie … clap if you believe
stands for decibels
February 7th, 2013
11:43 am
Coupla other faves:
This is why today’s speech by Gov. Rick Perry rings so true. We need the “real church” to stand up and be counted:
“An unholy church is useless to the world. It is of no value. It is an abomination. It is hell’s laughter and heaven’s abhorrence. The worst evils that have ever come on the world have been brought by an unholy church.”
Charles Spurgeon
Alas, our country is full of “unholy” churches and even entire “unholy” denominations.
Just sayin ……………………………
and
Most if not all of your views are so far out of the mainstream with what America is about.
I picked those two because in both cases, I asked nicely for examples to back up what Scout and that “USMC” guy (don’t know what he calls himself today) were on about–i.e., which are the “unholy” denominations, and which of Jay’s views are “far out.”
I think it’s been more than a year, and I’m still waiting.
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
11:44 am
Madmax – “Butch – stay clueless and keep believing in Santa Sam.”
Hey man, I’m just trying to help. Why do you think I’m posting some of our philosophers greatest predictions? The youth of America need to know how often the GOP hits the target.
GT
February 7th, 2013
11:44 am
The GOP is content to misleading the public on their real identity. In the convention they moved black faces from the Virgin Islands, non voting delegates to the front of the convention so a national audience could view them. Put token minority on the podium like that was the real them. Wonder if they even let these faces into the Republican Presidential Debates? I have always been very puzzled at people like CNN sponsoring these raw red meat debates that allowed for demeaning behavior towards minorities such as gays or anti illegal immigration. Not necessarily by the candidates who had established their bigotries long ago but by allowing a cheap carnival atmosphere with the obvious out of control “fan” sitting in the audience eating the red meat.
If you want to know when you lost the minority, not because of Sandy ,as Dick Morris and others making a living feeding these people’s mental disease, have said, but during these debates. I am just amazed at the void of discussion on this matter, which I mainly believe is because the networks were making good money showing this circus. It is like a reality show, low cost high rating and then they, like Wolf Blitzer, defend the undefendable. All the networks especially the cable networks hedged their bets that the right could win, almost ignoring the Nazi type bully behavior of the right. They are looking for an audience not journalism and in my opinion actually did the country a favor showing this real side of the GOP to the country, even if not on purpose.
Moderate Line
February 7th, 2013
11:45 am
Brosephus™
February 7th, 2013
11:10 am
The elections right now are very close. Someone stated that the Dems have won 5 of 6 popular votes but the Republicans have won the house 14 of 20 years. They are very close.
Comparing apples to oranges with that one. House votes are based on districts whereas the popular vote is a total of the entire country. The GOP lost the popular vote for House candidates but maintain their majority status because of the way the districts are carved up.
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It is interesting you should bring up how the “districts are carved up”. In 2010 Dems held a 27-14 advantage in state legislature. Where were the complaints of gerrymandering. In 2011 the Rep gain controlled 25-15. That is how quickly it can switch.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_state_legislatures
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_state_legislatures%27_partisan_trend
stands for decibels
February 7th, 2013
11:46 am
oh em gee, DannyX. I’ve heard you refer to that RB classic, but I don’t think I’ve ever actually beheld it. That’s genius, that is.
HDB
February 7th, 2013
11:46 am
JP
February 7th, 2013
11:29 am
HDB,
I take it that you do not believe in objective truth [what was true yesterday, is true today, is true tomorrow...that fundamental truth is unchanging]?
I think moving away from our core truth goes against God, Natural Law, and our own human nature.”
Actually, I believe that objective truth is based in fundamental truth…..and becoming a more inclusive society brings us CLOSER to what the Creator intended!!
There are aspects of truth I can not and will not challenge, but there are other aspects of truth that MUST be challenged!! Remember…many minorities were not considered HUMAN…but anthropology shows that all species of man are related to one another!! That’s a truth I can not challenge!! I believe in the truth than “all men are created equal”, but I challenge the truth that society placed out that we must discriminate against segments of society to maintain that truth!! I accept the truth that the Creator made us in his image…that also means that the Creator created gay and straight populations. Should we discriminate against what the Creator has done…or incorporate it as He would have intended?? Each person’s view of truth is fundamental to their life systems, objective as to what influences them…and relative to whatever situations present themselves!!
Moderate Line
February 7th, 2013
11:48 am
philosopher
February 7th, 2013
11:34 am
While critical thinking skills and logic are skills woefully missing from educational institutions and most parenting, the age of communication is flooding young people with enough varied information that with their still young and flexible brains, they can sift and filter BS much better than the majority of their elders. Young people have always been underestimated,
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I am not young enough to know everything.
Oscar Wilde
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 7th, 2013
11:48 am
Awesome stuff Butch.
They get real quiet when you throw their nonsense back in their face.
MiltonMan
February 7th, 2013
11:50 am
…and next up from Jay: (1) Dem Senator Menendez – despicable for forays with underage prostitutes and his cover-up of medicare abuse of his Florida buddy; (2) The deporable actions by the fair and balanced New York Times & Washington Post caving in to President Obama’s desire not to publish location of secret drone base in Saudia Arabia – yes truthful reporting/journalism at it’s best; (3) Jesse Jackson Jr. – totally guilty of abuse of campaign funds, etc., etc.
Wishful thinking
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
11:51 am
“I feel that the youth is back to being mostly apathetic and will get back to levels in most elections. White Suburban married women with children will give their vote this year to Romney by 4 to 8% and that the religious right is not going to stay home and come back to normal levels this year.
The above will wipe out the 7 point win Obama had and will give Romney a 1 to 2 point win.”
td – November 2nd, 2012
Bob
February 7th, 2013
11:51 am
Young people are clueless. Ask the democrat loving kids why democrat controlled entities such as APS, Dekalb County and Clayton County why dems can’t even run school systems. The same people whine evey day about repubs yet ignore the pathetic leadership shown by local democrats. If you are going to an under performing school, you are in a district run by dems. If you are in a school district that lost accreditation, you are in a school district run by dems. If you live in a city with high crime and poverty, Detroit, DC, St. Louis, Newark and so on, you live in a city dominated by dems. All kidding aside, please don’t let Obama do to America what he and his party have done for Chicago, murder is fine for TV, not for real life. Go ahead and brag about your dem leadership of DeKalb, APS and Clayton County schools, a mind was supposed to be a terrible thing to waste, now it is the status quo for kids in democrat run schools. But you lefties can blame Bush if it makes you feel better. How many repubs sit back and let their schools get accreditation taken away ?
stands for decibels
February 7th, 2013
11:51 am
Since nobody else has posted this on-topic link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afam2nIae4o
Bells chime, I feel I gotta get away…
Brosephus™
February 7th, 2013
11:52 am
It is interesting to hear Dems personally trash Romney during the election but then declare that the Republicans lost because of a fundamental weakness of the party.
I can’t answer for Dems, but I personally trashed Romney because his entire campaign was a fraud. I’m probably more of a true conservative than he is, yet he took us on this magic carpet ride to show how conservative he was. Had he been true to who he was, he could have likely peeled off a good bit of the middle. Then again, had he done that, he wouldn’t have been the GOP nominee either.
alittlecommonsense
February 7th, 2013
11:54 am
The young typically lean toward the Democrat party. They have few assets, low income and nothing can be taken from them. As they get older and begin to accumulate some wealth, they start to worry about the party that would like to take that wealth away from them and migrate to the Republican party. Of course those who never accumulate any wealth tend to stay Democrat. Of course this is painting with a broad brush, but as a generality it is true.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 7th, 2013
11:55 am
How many repubs sit back and let their schools get accreditation taken away ?
Is that English ?
Can someone translate this ?
Someone get the Rosetta Stone
HDB
February 7th, 2013
11:55 am
JP….to even take it further: truth can also be viewed as cyclical!! Gay people were accepted in earlier biblical days….but then placed into an unacceptable place during the Victorian era and the Protestant Reformation…but now, gay people are fighting to regain their acceptance……….
What goes around…comes around……
the dog
February 7th, 2013
11:56 am
When is the last time anyone saw Ann and Mittens? I could do a search but figured someone knew what they were up to.
Brosephus™
February 7th, 2013
11:57 am
It is interesting you should bring up how the “districts are carved up”. In 2010 Dems held a 27-14 advantage in state legislature.
I can’t answer for everyone else, but I have long advocated for non-partisaned drawing of districts. I don’t think the people who have and/or will run for an office should have any say so at all in how the districts are drawn up. That’s just like changing the rules of baseball to allow the batter to call the pitches instead of the catcher.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 7th, 2013
11:57 am
The young typically lean toward the Democrat party. They have few assets, low income and nothing can be taken from them. As they get older and begin to accumulate some wealth, they start to worry about the party that would like to take that wealth away from them and migrate to the Republican party. Of course those who never accumulate any wealth tend to stay Democrat. Of course this is painting with a broad brush, but as a generality it is true.
Complete nonsense.
Ill tell you what is true.
The more educated a person.
The more likely the vote Democratic.
States with low rankings in education.
All Red states.
States high in those rankings with high percentages of college grads
Blue states.
GT
February 7th, 2013
11:57 am
The problem with objective truth is the right label lies truth. Look at us we are divested or trickle down economics works. I guess you call this objective lying and I truly believe in that, as I watched it destroy the Grand Ole Party. And no lie is going to turn it around, only straight honest truth which is so hard for these guys with a different agenda to do
Brosephus™
February 7th, 2013
11:58 am
alittlecommonsense @ 11:54
Hollywood and Silicon Valley says What!!!?
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
11:58 am
“The entire Obama campaign appears to me to be targeting our less intelligent and gullible voters. It is obvious from comments posted here and on other blogs that his target audience has, in fact, been reached. I don’t believe this will accomplish what he needs, though, and President Romney looks to be on track for the win.”
cc – October 26th, 2012
Junior Samples
February 7th, 2013
12:01 pm
“kills an American citizen”
So Bob, how long have you been supporting terrorists?
Logical Dude
February 7th, 2013
12:02 pm
Milton Man: “President Obama’s desire not to publish location of secret drone base in Saudia Arabia”
Umm, so, you’d rather a secret base be publicly broadcast around the world, putting lives in danger?
I mean. . . It’s SECRET for a reason. . .
well, I guess not so secret anymore, but. . . your criticism of them not publishing a secret base makes it sounds like you’d like everyone in the world know exactly where this secret base is, and become a target.
If that’s not what you mean, then please let me know how I might have misread your criticism.
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
12:03 pm
Bob – “Young people are clueless.”
That’s right Bob, keep on fighting for that coveted demographic. While your at it, why don’t you get off some racial slurs and generalities about poor people. That should seal Republican victories for decades.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
February 7th, 2013
12:04 pm
I can’t answer for Dems, but I personally trashed Romney because his entire campaign was a fraud. I’m probably more of a true conservative than he is, yet he took us on this magic carpet ride to show how conservative he was. Had he been true to who he was, he could have likely peeled off a good bit of the middle. Then again, had he done that, he wouldn’t have been the GOP nominee either.
Well, I don’t know which Romney you heard. All I know is, by the third debate he was stealing Obama’s thunder and sounding more librul than Obama. He started off sounding like John Birch and ended sounding like a radical hippie. Whatever the polls wanted to hear he delivered.
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
February 7th, 2013
12:04 pm
“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” – Joe Biden
Get Real
February 7th, 2013
12:04 pm
Have you talked to a young person lately? Absolutely clueless as to what is going on in the world and their priorities are a joke. In general, they just do not have the wherewithal to comprehend how today’s issues will affect their future…truly sad
USinUK - former Girl Scout
February 7th, 2013
12:05 pm
Bro – “I can’t answer for Dems, but I personally trashed Romney because his entire campaign was a fraud”
you got that right.
he lost because the best they could come up with was a squish of the highest order, a man who never met a political position that he hasn’t taken at one time or another during his career.
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
12:06 pm
Logical Dude – “Umm, so, you’d rather a secret base be publicly broadcast around the world, putting lives in danger?”
Apparently MiltonMan feels that America is safer when our enemies know our military secrets. Hey Milton, you aren’t related to Ethel and Julius Rosenberg by any chance are you?
Regnad Kcin
February 7th, 2013
12:06 pm
“Have you talked to a young person lately? Absolutely clueless as to what is going on in the world and their priorities are a joke. In general, they just do not have the wherewithal to comprehend how today’s issues will affect their future…truly sad”
Maybe you need to hang out with a higher quality of young people – I haven’t experienced that at all.
BTW – Generalize from a sample size of one, much?
AmericaShrugged
February 7th, 2013
12:06 pm
The Dems should be very concerned. Looks like their frail coalition of unions, minorities and homosexuals doesn’t add up to winning elections without the young vote too, and dropping 6 percentage points in four years, from 66 to 60% when you didn’t have Father Time to run against can’t speak well for the future of the Dem party.
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
12:08 pm
Get Real – “Have you talked to a young person lately? Absolutely clueless as to what is going on in the world and their priorities are a joke.”
Perhaps if you stopped hanging around the Orange Julius at the mall?
Regnad Kcin
February 7th, 2013
12:08 pm
“… doesn’t add up to winning elections without the young vote too, and dropping 6 percentage points in four years…”
I’m happy for you that you could find ONE data point to spin. I’m glad it makes you feel better.
the dog
February 7th, 2013
12:09 pm
godless heathen – owner of many things he does not need
February 7th, 2013
12:04 pm
“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” – Joe Biden
________________________________________________________________________
That right there is our Magic Negro!!! I can’t remember who wrote that, somebody help me remember!
USinUK - former Girl Scout
February 7th, 2013
12:10 pm
“Absolutely clueless as to what is going on in the world and their priorities are a joke”
why? because their priorities aren’t yours? because I’ve met and worked with loads of young people who are incredibly serious about their futures and being involved in politica
Morality?
February 7th, 2013
12:11 pm
In a grab for the “YOUTH” vote the Dems are considering legalizing marywanna. The Prez has 1st hand experience with this subject. What the YOUTH should b asking is : Will we have a FUTURE now that Obama is LEADING us over the FISCAL CLIFF?
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
12:11 pm
To paraphrase some of our posters today ” Hey, young people, you’re stupid. We really need you to join the Republican party.”
Churchill
February 7th, 2013
12:13 pm
as I have stated before,if you are young and don’t vote liberal-you have no heart;if you are older and don’t vote conservative-you have no brain. Perhaps the republicans can hope for a better school education in your country,to improve your brain power!! I understand that many of your 20 yearolds are moving back home for lack of jobs, perhaps their parents can teach them something about personel responsibility, now that they are more likely to listen….Clemmie, more champagne!
Get Real
February 7th, 2013
12:13 pm
Regnad Kcin …not at all, very large sample and yes a lot are quite bright and I enjoy engaging in conversation whether we agree politically or not. From a college degree standpoint it usually boils down to business/engineering versus liberal arts as to how young people view the world.
For those that have not gone to school, now that is a really sad conversation
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
February 7th, 2013
12:13 pm
States with low rankings in education.
All Red states.
States high in those rankings with high percentages of college grads
Blue states.
Don’t you think that analysis would fall apart if you looked it on a county by county basis?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
12:14 pm
The Prez has 1st hand experience with this subject.
Coke-head Bush says, “What?”
Get Real
February 7th, 2013
12:15 pm
Butchey…is that the best you can do? For your sake I hope not…
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
12:15 pm
Morality – “In a grab for the “YOUTH” vote the Dems are considering legalizing marywanna.”
Maybe the YOUTH realize that by leglizing “marywanna” we could generate BILLIONS of dollars in revenue that currently go to the drug underworld. Why do you hate America?
Moderate Line
February 7th, 2013
12:15 pm
Brosephus™
February 7th, 2013
11:52 am
It is interesting to hear Dems personally trash Romney during the election but then declare that the Republicans lost because of a fundamental weakness of the party.
I can’t answer for Dems, but I personally trashed Romney because his entire campaign was a fraud. I’m probably more of a true conservative than he is, yet he took us on this magic carpet ride to show how conservative he was. Had he been true to who he was, he could have likely peeled off a good bit of the middle. Then again, had he done that, he wouldn’t have been the GOP nominee either.
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They were both frauds. They both flip flopped. Obama flop on debt ceiling, gay marriage, unilateral bombing, presidential appointed commission and reconciliation. Romney’s flopped on immigration, gay marriage, health care, abortion and a tax pledge.
They both say whatever it takes to get elected. Elections are a choice between two illusion.
Get Real
February 7th, 2013
12:16 pm
USinUK – former Girl Scout same goes for you
indigo
February 7th, 2013
12:17 pm
Milton Man – 10:56
As opposed to those Republicans who believe that raped women won’t get pregnant and science is from the pits of hell?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
12:17 pm
…business/engineering versus liberal arts…
Yes, the world is made up of two kinds of people; those that believe the world is made up of two kinds of people, and then there’s the rest of us.
JP
February 7th, 2013
12:17 pm
HDB
I think people today have a problem differentiating a sin (designated by God alone, not Man) from the individual human person. I do not have the authority to judge my fellow man, nor do I have the authority to make sin “inclusive” to society. It is not discriminating, nor homophobic, by accepting the sacrament and institution of marriage as being between a man and a woman (indeed it respects God’s Law and Natural Law). Marriage is a covenant relationship that many people, sadly even many husbands and wives today fail to recognize (which is why the divorce rate and broken homes are so rampant).
Get Real
February 7th, 2013
12:18 pm
Just an example Kammie Poo, don’t go over board
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 7th, 2013
12:18 pm
“As the chart indicates, among young voters, the GOP is significantly underperforming both its overall numbers and its historic numbers among the young.”
And ………….. because our culture (morally, politically, economically and spiritually) will in all probability continue to decline, those numbers will probably get much, much worse.
The truly sad part is that liberals think this is a good thing.
Emotion vs. Reason.
Get ready America.
Brosephus™
February 7th, 2013
12:20 pm
They were both frauds. They both flip flopped. Obama flop on debt ceiling, gay marriage, unilateral bombing, presidential appointed commission and reconciliation. Romney’s flopped on immigration, gay marriage, health care, abortion and a tax pledge.
True. “I” knew that I wasn’t voting for Obama, so “I” was looking to see what would inspire me to vote for Romney. What “I” saw in Romney’s campaign did not inspire me to vote for him.
Elections are a choice between two illusion.
Only for those who use campaigns to judge the candidates. I guess that I’m a bit more of a detective due to my work habits. I don’t go only by what they say. I look at actions, mannerisms, and other things to determine whether I like a candidate or not. Neither one left me inspired.
Morality?
February 7th, 2013
12:20 pm
The problem the Dems have with the YOUTH vote is they GET OLDER and WISER. Legalizing marywanna on the Fed level may cut it with a few YOUTH but as they become adults their main concern will not be GETTING HIGH but getting a JOB and actually having a FUTURE. As Samuel L. Jackson said in his famous Ebony Magazine interview “I didn’t vote for Obama ’cause he’s got a plan to save America. Obama ain’t got no G D plan to save America. I voted for him ’cause he’s black.” The YOUTH will need a PREZ with a plan for the FISCAL survival of the USA and Obama ain’t got no plan.
Madmax
February 7th, 2013
12:22 pm
Obama reminds me of a failing company. Just flitting from one crisis to another without ever taking control and fixing the underlying causes. Amazing how the same people who pillared the management of Hostess support Obama who’s doing a worse job.
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
12:23 pm
Morality – “The YOUTH will need a PREZ with a plan for the FISCAL survival of the USA and Obama ain’t got no plan.”
I thought you just said that he was looking to legalize “marywanna”. What, profits generated from the legalization of a currently illegal substance isn’t good enough for you?
Jefferson
February 7th, 2013
12:24 pm
The times change and you have to change with them.
GT
February 7th, 2013
12:24 pm
The Republican are convinced the population will change it’s thinking, the party does not have to change what it believes in or is doing, just communicate it better. Let see a bank robber calls a bank and says,” I need your money, I would appreciate you leaving the safe open so I can come over and get the money I need. Thank you very much.” No communication on earth sells that message. Stop robbing banks would be my suggestion but who am I. God they make this too easy!
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 7th, 2013
12:24 pm
Madmax – “Obama reminds me of a failing company.”
What does Romney, the man who lost to Obama, remind you of?
Madmax
February 7th, 2013
12:26 pm
Butch – now that’s a conundrum. To grow it, you need to protect it which requires the use of heavy duty firearms which is against his take the guns away policy. seems like a dog chasing his tail.
keith
February 7th, 2013
12:27 pm
Without the NRA and GOP what would bookman write about? Hes real BOOOOOOOOOORING.
Jefferson
February 7th, 2013
12:28 pm
Just try to buy leaded gas….
ken
February 7th, 2013
12:28 pm
All the young that I know realise that hope of getting a good job are slim to none. 40% of college grads are working at a job that they are overqualified for. Talk to any high school guidance counselor and you will get your eyes opened about how students feel about their future and our future. Many more are asking, ” Why go to college “. ” Without a job, I will not be able to pay back loans”.
Marty Huggins'
February 7th, 2013
12:28 pm
Morality?
February 7th, 2013
12:20 pm
Legalizing pot would add many legal jobs, who would also then pay taxes on said income.
It would also eliminate a cash source for many of today’s organized criminal elements.
See prohibition.
What is the negative of legalizing weed with similar restrictions similar to alcohol and tobacco?
It’s already easier for a high school student to obtain weed than beer.
Madmax
February 7th, 2013
12:29 pm
Butch – Romney is irrelevant now in case you didn’t notice. Obama is the president and he is responsible for what is and is not happening.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
12:30 pm
Obama reminds me of a failing company.
Kenny-boy Lay of Enron says, “What?”
Morality?
February 7th, 2013
12:30 pm
B C – By legalizing marywanna we are continuing to genetically alter our future. From the drug generation we get auto immune diseases that never existed before, we get autism that is elevating at an alarming rate, from the drug generation we are getting brain diseases, muscle diseases and genetic mutations that did not exist 50, 40, 30, 20 years ago. Obama’s “culture” and Hollyweird are leading our YOUTH to drug addiction and heart ache. I say it is YOU promoters of drug use that HATE and want to poison the YOUTH of America for your GREED.
Moderate Line
February 7th, 2013
12:30 pm
godless heathen – owner of many things he does not need
February 7th, 2013
12:13 pm
States with low rankings in education.
All Red states.
States high in those rankings with high percentages of college grads
Blue states.
Don’t you think that analysis would fall apart if you looked it on a county by county basis?
++++
Obama Romney Other
No high school:3%64%35%1%
High school graduate:21% 51% 48% 1%
Some college:29% 49% 48% 3%
College graduate:29% 47% 51% 2%
Postgraduate:18% 55% 42% 3%
http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president
The only education level that Romney won was college graduates. It is interesting that Dems would make fun of Republicans intelligence for three reason.
1. The only Romney won was college graduates.
2. The Democrats claim to be more tolerate but yet they make fun of people who are not smart by diminishing the value of their vote.
3. The constantly complain about how making voting more complicated dimishes their vote.
TiredOfIt
February 7th, 2013
12:30 pm
Five minutes of listing to one of the GOP spokesmen e.g. Fox, Rush, Shawn, etc and anyone with basic common sense can see them for what they are. And it not good, plus their obsession with lying.
GT
February 7th, 2013
12:30 pm
Dead on Butch, even FOX is moving funiture realizing who the loser is, and a Republcan is coming to Atlanta to try to learn how to get more minority votes. My suggestion is to ask the Democrat Party or better yet join em, the winners, if you can’t beat em join em.
Christian Conservative
February 7th, 2013
12:31 pm
Wait till they get older and start paying taxes.. Then they’ll realize that the dem party is the party of waste….. Hence the severe turn to voting Republican as they get older…. Nice try jay but this tripe is worthless… Red meat for the Bookman buffoons though…..
Jhunt163
February 7th, 2013
12:32 pm
Glad I finally got those pesky 2 trillion dollars in cuts explained to me. I have been trying to figure that one out for over a month.
http://factcheck.org/2013/02/reid-twice-wrong-on-2-6-trillion-cuts/
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 7th, 2013
12:32 pm
Then they’ll realize that the dem party is the party of waste…
Haliburton says, “What?”
USinUK - former Girl Scout
February 7th, 2013
12:33 pm
“USinUK – former Girl Scout same goes for you”
what? that I’m serious about my future and very involved in politics?
why yes. yes, I am.
philosopher
February 7th, 2013
12:35 pm
Get Real
February 7th, 2013
12:04 pm
Have you talked to a young person lately? Absolutely clueless as to what is going on in the world and their priorities are a joke. In general, they just do not have the wherewithal to comprehend how today’s issues will affect their future…truly sad
Actually, I do talk to young people… daily. I have three of my own that I taught to think and speak for themselves and we, along with their friends. frequently engage in lively discussions about current events. Conservatives and liberals alike are represented. I am impressed with their interest and insight and ability to articulate. They certainly make more sense than the folks who represent the Republican party these days.
Common Sense
February 7th, 2013
12:36 pm
Common sense would tell you that when you look at these numbers younger voters are not very informed on politics yet. That they don’t have skin in the game. Once they begin to inform themselves and realize that they may perhaps have a family depending on them their opinion changes. The Republican Party seems to stand for lower taxes. Dems want higher taxes. Having more money in your pocket once you enter the workforce is looked at favorably.
Mick
February 7th, 2013
12:36 pm
**From the drug generation we get auto immune diseases that never existed before, we get autism that is elevating at an alarming rate, from the drug generation we are getting brain diseases, muscle diseases and genetic mutations that did not exist 50, 40, 30, 20 years ago. **
Wild speculation at minimum! Hell it could be from monsanto and all the chemicals they use to grow food, not to mention the genetic mutations that we don’t know about…
Aquagirl
February 7th, 2013
12:36 pm
By legalizing marywanna we are continuing to genetically alter our future.
Somebody’s on a bad e-mail trip.
GT
February 7th, 2013
12:36 pm
“Butch – Romney is irrelevant now in case you didn’t notice. Obama is the president and he is responsible for what is and is not happening.”
Romney and the Republican party are irrelevant is what you meant to say. How that old trick you used to hold the country hostage, by shutting down the government work for ya? Learn new tricks or better yet get out of the trick business and try growing up for a change.
Christian Conservative
February 7th, 2013
12:37 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
Then they’ll realize that the dem party is the party of waste…
Haliburton says, “What?”
The trillion dollar stimulus waste says, “What”?