GOP coming to Atlanta for ideas on diversifying
According to my colleague Jim Galloway, RNC Chairman Reince Priebus is coming to the A-T-L tomorrow for a private conversation with black Republicans in the state, attempting to discover what the Grand Old Party can do differently to reach black voters.
Given the demographic changes underway in Georgia and Atlanta’s historic role as a center of both the black middle class and the civil rights movement, it’s an appropriate place to have the conversation.
The session is by invitation only, and is closed to the public. But it got me thinking: If you were in attendance, how would you advise Priebus? Why has the Republican Party — the party of abolition, of Abraham Lincoln, of Colin Powell and Condi Rice — found it so difficult to attract not just black voters but voters of almost any minority group, and more important, what can be done to change it?
I’ve written repeatedly that the current division is not merely bad for the Republican Party, it’s bad for the state of Georgia and bad for the country as a whole. But how can it be changed? (This assumes, of course, that this isn’t just another half-hearted PR scheme like previous “outreach efforts” by the party.)
So … any ideas?
(Personally, I thought the suggestions laid out by Kevin Williams in a recent Washington Post op-ed were a fine place to start. At the very least, adopting them would demonstrate an honest commitment to change the situation.)
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Doggone/GA
February 6th, 2013
9:29 pm
“I’m a member of the Christian party.”
Yeah…we’ve noticed
bman.
February 6th, 2013
9:30 pm
In reality, there isn’t anything the Reps can say or do on this subject.
independent thinker
February 6th, 2013
9:30 pm
Well glad to see the stupid party is sending their head clown, Rinse Prepus to the redneck south to put on a performance for the intellectually handicapped cons in this state. I am sure he will entertain them with juggling acts, phony polls, dissing veterans, exhibitions on fleecing the rich and his expertise on picking losers as candidates – all of which he did superbly in the last election. Anyone got free tickets for this circus?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 6th, 2013
9:31 pm
Its called black liberation theology…
And there’s your sign.
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
9:33 pm
@jimiz_1
Did not know that you had such insight into the black psychological makeup.
Wonder if you grew up living the black experience, or, you are repeating things that many have tried to use to label blacks?
getalife
February 6th, 2013
9:35 pm
“Alex, actually I’m not a member of the Republican party”
When the going gets tough, the tough cut and run from the gop party.
Josef
February 6th, 2013
9:37 pm
So, I guess Del must be a Christian Socialist…
Oscar
February 6th, 2013
9:37 pm
Thinker – I believe he came here to learn, not to teach.
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
9:37 pm
@jimiz_1
Do have a case of “throwing the rock and hiding your hand?”
Oscar
February 6th, 2013
9:41 pm
Seems to me we should ban weapons and equipment that fire more than 15 rounds without reloading. Ban future sales that is.
And greatly increase penalties for using a firearm in the commition of a crime.
TBS
February 6th, 2013
9:41 pm
Scout
Last week you posted an assertion. When asked to provide the facts you provided more implications and assertions.
Should call that naive or lying?
Old Goober
February 6th, 2013
9:41 pm
Many of those who support the so-called conservative cause are keeping very quite about the impending calamity the House Repubs are about to bring on the WORLD economy, via the “fiscal cliff.”
Even before that will come sequestration and its cuts to the defense industry. The ax is due to fall the first of next month. Most people have little idea of the sheer numbers of people employed in the defense industry. Those much-scorned contractors hire a lot of people who will be on an unemployment line next month. And yet, so hated is the prospect of any kind of further tax increase that there appears to be a lassitude about doing anything to stop sequestration. And just today, Leon Panetta has announced what amounts to a future pay cut for active duty military personnel—those who aren’t forced out by budget cuts. It ought to tell us something when our navy doesn’t have the money to deploy the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln.
All these cuts represent money that won’t be circulating in the economy. Cuts in a time of recession are an invitation for a double-dip. And in spite of the examples we are seeing in Europe, we seem to have a mania for “cutting debt,” instead of waiting for employment to pick up and even stimulating it in the meantime by more government spending if necessary.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 6th, 2013
9:41 pm
Liberals …………… Warning ……….. Please do NOT read this !
“A person steals guns, (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW),
shoots and kills his own mother (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW),
Transports these guns loaded (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW),
Brings guns onto school property (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW),
Breaks into the school (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW),
Discharges the weapons within city limits (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW),
Murders 26 people (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW),
And commits suicide (WHICH IS AGAINST GOD’S LAW).
And there are people in this country that somehow think passing ANOTHER LAW
banning guns would protect us from someone like this.
If you haven’t noticed, people like this are not concerned about breaking laws – they only
care about fulfilling their own twisted agenda.
The only people that a gun ban law would impact are the LAW ABIDING
CITIZENS, which will only serve to cripple the ability to protect ourselves.”
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
9:44 pm
@Oscar
Why not ban magazines that have a capacity of more than 10 rounds; penalize the straw purchase of guns; require background checks and increase the penalties for the use of a gun in the commission of a crime.
Jm
February 6th, 2013
9:45 pm
Getalife
I’m a realist
TBS
February 6th, 2013
9:45 pm
Or bear false witness, but one of our resident Christian historians and practitioners would never do that
Oscar
February 6th, 2013
9:46 pm
Jackie – I can agre with that. Ten or fifteen rounds, either number will work for me.
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
9:47 pm
@Old Goober
You are using too many cutting words for the so-called conservatives.
As you probably know, they hate it when facts get in the way of the bumper-sticker sloganeering.
Oscar
February 6th, 2013
9:47 pm
0311 – Thanks for the tip, but was not goin to read it anyway.
TaxPayer
February 6th, 2013
9:48 pm
Perhaps cons should be insisting on arming grade school children. Perhaps with Uzi’s. I mean, they have 2nd amendment rights too, dontcha know.
Recon 0311 2533
February 6th, 2013
9:49 pm
Obama/Feinstein gun control/banning is far left propaganda and not a workable solution and they know it.
jimiz_1
February 6th, 2013
9:53 pm
Jackie i see you are a well informed typical bias liberal person. Its easy to see that you are an obominite follower. You sound very much like our con-man in cheif when you play the blame game. Only you followers believe that tripe you can’t blame the congress for the presidents refusal to balence the budget stop out of control spending and reform intitlements. The republicans have tried to work with him , but how can you when its his way or no way. There has been bypartisan groups like Simson Bolwes and others that have also tried but they president hasn’t done nothing. Right know we just had a quarter with negative growth more unemployed but your savoir is out on a gun control tour.
This is what you savoir does since he can not solve any problems he designs a bill that he knows won’t pass the congress. So when they say no to it he gets to say O its the congress thats at fault placing blame on them is easier then taking responsibility for being incompetent. And whats worse is there are people like you that believe in this hack job.
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
9:54 pm
@Recon
In what proposal or legislation have you found where guns are being banned?
Recon 0311 2533
February 6th, 2013
9:55 pm
Government spending does not stimulate the economy. The economy is stimulated by private sector spending and government has impeded the private sectors motivation to invest.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 6th, 2013
9:57 pm
The republicans have tried to work with him , but how can you when its his way or no way.
Mitch McConnell says, “What”?
getalife
February 6th, 2013
9:59 pm
“The republicans have tried to work with him”
That is a whopper of a lie con.
Recon 0311 2533
February 6th, 2013
9:59 pm
Jackie,
see Diane Feinstein’s proposed bill and Obama’s proposal.
TBS
February 6th, 2013
10:00 pm
Government spending does not stimulate the economy.
Columbus, GA Hinsville, GA Warner Robbins, Ga Kiilen TX Colorado Springs, Co
Cities around the world where the US has bases say “WTF”
Doggone/GA
February 6th, 2013
10:01 pm
“Government spending does not stimulate the economy. The economy is stimulated by private sector spending and government has impeded the private sectors motivation to invest”
All spending stimulates the economy.
td
February 6th, 2013
10:01 pm
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
9:54 pm
@Recon
In what proposal or legislation have you found where guns are being banned?
In how many speeches from Obama have your heard the words “banning assault weapons”? Problem is that Harry Reid cares more about maintaining control over the Senate then he does about giving Obama his agenda. He knows there are 6 Democratic Senators up for re election next year in states that Romney won. He knows of he follows the Obama agenda and produces gun bans, cap and trade, gay marriage or amnesty then he will lose control of the Senate and his power (same reason he did not want to end the filibuster.
This country is far from being blue forever and Reid knows it.
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
10:02 pm
@jimiz_1
I see that you found the time and the nerve to come out your hiding to answer the specious assertions that you made about blacks.
I notice that you use the word “tripe” to obfuscate your true meaning and intentions. I am of the strong opinion that you do not mean anything that you said because you have no concrete means or methods to prove any of it.
Secondly, the use of pejoratives is truly indicative of someone that has a shallow understanding of the subject matter. In other words, you have no idea as to what you are talking about.
Third, “bust me out” on any subject matter that we have discussed. I feel that you are trying to make an argument that is not grounded in facts.
A follower of Obama means to me that I voted for him because he represented the best interests of me and the country, unlike what I suspect was your choice, requiring someone to lead you blindly off a cliff.
Remember, it is not the fall that gets you, it is the sudden stop.
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
10:04 pm
@Recon
Sen. Feinstein(D-CA) has proposed to stop the spread of assault weapons, not to ban guns.
http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons
TBS
February 6th, 2013
10:04 pm
td
To an extent you are correct. While Obama has never said “ban all weapons” as some on the right assert, he has said that he want so go back to the ban Clinton put in place.
It will not happen.
td
February 6th, 2013
10:05 pm
Doggone/GA
February 6th, 2013
10:01 pm
“Government spending does not stimulate the economy. The economy is stimulated by private sector spending and government has impeded the private sectors motivation to invest”
All spending stimulates the economy.
Then cut all taxes on corporate money coming back from overseas and you would see an explosion in spending, approve the Keystone pipeline and you would see an explosion in spending, approve oil exploration on public land and approve contracts to build more refineries.
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
10:05 pm
@Recon
Being a military man yourself, do you think it is feasible that someone should own a rocket launcher; a 50-caliber sniper rifle; a grenade launcher?
Recon 0311 2533
February 6th, 2013
10:06 pm
Cities around the world where the US has bases say “WTF
But the answer is nope…U.S military basis did not spawn IBM, Microsoft or Apple. We’re not leading anymore. Maybe you haven’t been around long enough to understand that missing component in economic growth.
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
10:06 pm
@td
You used the magic words, “ban assault weapons.”
getalife
February 6th, 2013
10:07 pm
del is clinging to his failed ideology and what his media tells him to believe.
td
February 6th, 2013
10:07 pm
TBS
February 6th, 2013
10:04 pm
td
” While Obama has never said “ban all weapons” as some on the right assert, he has said that he want so go back to the ban Clinton put in place.”
Not totally true. He said he supported Feinstein’s legislation and it goes far past the Clinton bans.
Doggone/GA
February 6th, 2013
10:08 pm
“Columbus, GA Hinsville, GA Warner Robbins, Ga Kiilen TX Colorado Springs, Co”
Marietta, GA; Albany, Ga; Jacksonville, FL
getalife
February 6th, 2013
10:10 pm
jim,
obominite, con-man in cheif,savoir and the rest of that garbage shows your insanity and ODS.
Get a grip on reality con and stop spewing that garbage.
TBS
February 6th, 2013
10:10 pm
Who said they spawned what you said except you?
Thought so
As I asked you months ago, lets go to these towns in GA and go ask the Chamber of Commerce about the military and its direct and indirect spending and how it impacts their ECONOMY
Of course you diverted or ignored. I’m ready when you are……
now you can yip and yap as usual
td
February 6th, 2013
10:12 pm
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
10:06 pm
@td
You used the magic words, “ban assault weapons.”
And yet not one progressive has been able to give a common sense definition of an “assault weapon”. Under Feinstein’s bill it would mean any rifle with a pistol grip, any shotgun with a pistol grip or any pistol that has a mag. capacity of over 10 rounds. This makes no common sense when there are rifles, shot guns and pistols that are way more lethal that do not have a pistol grip.
jimiz_1
February 6th, 2013
10:13 pm
The federal government along with state and local government have gun control measures already on the books that address most of the problems we currently have.
As for the rest to me is an invasion of my second amendment rights.
No liberal wants commonsense types of solutions. They want to invoke their agenda thru the use of taxes ,penaltys , over regulation and over legislation. This is a party obsessed with power. These people actually think they are more powerful then the constitution of this country. They have made no action to protect it or use it for how we should be govrn.
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
10:14 pm
I think a closer inspection of how our military research and development labs operate, one would find the working coming from those facilities did, in fact, spawn much of the innovation we have today.
Admiral Grace Hooper, the architect of the programming language COBOL which commercialized the large computer and was a major catalyst in the growth of IBM; FORTRAN came from IBM and Admiral Hooper; the internet came from a collection of military labs; TEFLON was originally designed to be used as a armor for soldiers and equipment.
The military has played a significant role in commercial development. Anything you see now, relative to electronics, is probably 5 to 10 years behind the military.
TBS
February 6th, 2013
10:15 pm
Doggone
Thank you.
The same right leaning Chamber of Commerce along with whatever town that has an significant military presence ALWAYS touts the positive impact to the economy due to the troops are also the same ones lobbying to their local, state and fed reps when there is talk to reduce troops.
Why? Because it STIMULATES THE ECONOMY of those TOWNS
What else you have Del?
Recon 0311 2533
February 6th, 2013
10:15 pm
No, but semi-automatics be they long guns, short guns or hand guns isn’t a problem IMO. Those who’re collectors and can pass stringent background tests should in my opinion not be deprived of owning fully automatic weapons. I’m a proponent of universal background checks so long as the database is populated with those deemed to be mentally disturbed.
getalife
February 6th, 2013
10:15 pm
” how we should be govrn.”
The last time the gop had power, it was a disaster so you don’t know how to govern. Period con.
Recon 0311 2533
February 6th, 2013
10:16 pm
Jackie, sorry but my last was for you.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 6th, 2013
10:16 pm
No liberal wants commonsense types of solutions.
Not intended to be a factual statement.
Doggone/GA
February 6th, 2013
10:17 pm
“Then cut all taxes on corporate money coming back from overseas and you would see an explosion in spending,”
If they were going to spend it, they would spend it. If it’s just sitting there, it’s not stimulating ANY economy.
: approve the Keystone pipeline and you would see an explosion in spending”
In case you haven’t noticed, it’s in the works now that a safer route has been approved. Of course, there’s those OTHER states that haven’t found a route yet…but what the heck, even if you build a pipeline that just ends somewhere in the middle of nowhere…it’s spending, right?
“approve oil exploration on public land”
If that was going to do any good, they’d be working the leases they ALREADY have and that they are just sitting on.
“and approve contracts to build more refineries.”
Yeah, like the pipeline. We don’t really NEED more refineries, but that shouldn’t matter. Just build ‘em and then let ‘em sit.
Doggone/GA
February 6th, 2013
10:18 pm
“No liberal wants commonsense types of solutions”
Sure we do. We just keep waiting for someone to propose some.
TBS
February 6th, 2013
10:19 pm
Recon
Name the day, I will drive and buy the meals.
You in?
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
10:21 pm
@td
Here is a complete definition of an assault weapon.
http://civilliberty.about.com/od/guncontrol/a/Assault-Weapons.htm
jimiz_1
February 6th, 2013
10:22 pm
I think we the people should be allowed to own the same weapons as the military. This government is out of control who is going to protect us from them?
Recon 0311 2533
February 6th, 2013
10:22 pm
now you can yip and yap as usual
That’s your style lad not mine. I state my opinion, while it seems all you do is call people out for their opinions which aren’t in line with your own.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 6th, 2013
10:24 pm
Liberal vs. Conservative
Emotion vs. Reason
Nite all ……………. be nice to each other !
TBS
February 6th, 2013
10:24 pm
jimz
Yes you should be able to own an F16, Abrahams tank, drone and a nuke
I’m with you dude
Let’s smoke a bowl then start our quest to obtain our rights
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 6th, 2013
10:25 pm
Recon @ 10:22
You hit the nail (TBS) on the head !
You can have the first watch ……….
TAPS !
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
10:25 pm
@Recon
Having a semi-automatic weapon is not a problem as long is there are no high-capacity magazines associated with that weapon.
Further, having the ammunition used in assault weapons, as you know, is designed to enter the target with a small footprint, explode when it contacts the least resistance and create a large, gaping hole when it exists.
And we know, those rounds have no way of making up for the person that fires those rounds. The shooter could be a very bad marksman causing enormous damage and destruction to those other than the perpetrator.
getalife
February 6th, 2013
10:27 pm
This is a good idea:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/07/us/07philly.html?_r=0
Also, they should show pictures of those 20 children slaughtered and that would spark outrage.
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
10:27 pm
@jimiz_1
You statements are typical of someone that is afraid of his own shadow.
What would you do with a tank?
ODD OWL
February 6th, 2013
10:28 pm
The most pertinent question on the table is; why do non rich White people vote Republican ??? The Republican party haven’t done anything for non rich White Americans except jack up your taxes to pay off the massive debt that the Republicans ran up and used slash and burn tactics against your social programs that your tax dollars pay for… The Republicans used divide and conquer tactics to pit one group of Americans against other groups, mainly for political reasons… The rich and elite are the “takers”, the non rich are the providers and the losers.. When are the non rich White Americans going to wake up and realize that the Republican party is your worst enemy…
getalife
February 6th, 2013
10:29 pm
” we the people should be allowed to own the same weapons as the military. ”
You can but it is expensive.
TBS
February 6th, 2013
10:30 pm
Recon
And all you said did not prove your assertion.
Again, let’s go to one of these towns, at my expense, and we will see what impacts or doesn’t.
It has nothing to do with opinion. It is fact or it isn’t. I’m willing, on my dime, for you to show me different.
_______________
Scout
If it wasn’t “emotion” that was leading you to continually post about a Reagan/Carter blowout, what was it? sure wasn’t “reason”
td
February 6th, 2013
10:33 pm
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
10:21 pm
For Rifles
Telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Grenade launcher
Flash suppressor
For shotguns:
Telescoping stock
Pistol grip
A capacity to hold more than five rounds
For handguns:
Threaded barrels made to attach a barrel extender, handgrip or flash suppressor
A barrel shroud that can be used as a handhold
Weight of at least 50 oz. when unloaded
Besides Grenade launcher what makes these weapons anymore lethal then not having these characteristics? Example: How is a rifle or a shotgun with a pistol grip more lethal? How about being able to hold a pistol with two hands (A barrel shroud that can be used as a handhold) making a pistol more lethal?
It is all about looks (the gun looks scary) that makes it an “assault weapon” in the minds of a progressive.
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
10:35 pm
@Recon
Another subject that civilians don’t understand is the effects of friendly fire.
What happens when someone looses their cool and starts to spray rounds all over the place.
Who stops the shooter from causing more damage, which is not collateral?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 6th, 2013
10:35 pm
I think we the people should be allowed to own the same weapons as the military. This government is out of control who is going to protect us from them?
And this is where you go off the rails on the crazy train.
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
10:37 pm
@td
The look of a gun is not what scares anyone, it is the ability to be able to handle that weapon in close quarters.
Without a pistol grip, it requires two hands to control and accurately fire that weapon.
jimiz_1
February 6th, 2013
10:41 pm
I am an Native American my people was here before yours. I am also a independent voter.
I know these things because i have been able to see it in real time. And from a different perspective not being involved with the fued that has been fueled by the hate many poor blacks still carry for white men. Since they live in the getto and have to live off the government more or less not having a successful life they still blame their misfortune on rich whites. Its plain to see just look at how most of you treat them. Almost all the whites i know will do anything for you if you treat them right i have never had a problem with them. I although can’t say as much for the thugs and black trash out there. Not saying all blacks are bad either because i have met plenty of good black people to. It just seems like whites are nicer more trusting more giving and better all around then most blacks i have known.
Recon 0311 2533
February 6th, 2013
10:44 pm
Jackie,
I’m not a big fan of the 5.56×45 round. It was largely ineffective in Vietnam and was downright deadly to our own troops early on before the DOD mandated that the M-16 chambers needed to be chrome plated and eventually the barrels. I own a SR 556 the Sturm Ruger AR version. It’s piston operated verses the direct impingement operating system dating back to the early 60’s M-16 designed by Gene Stoner. I enjoy target shooting with this gun but would never trust it for self defense. This clamor for banning these firearms is stupid. We need to get serous about keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill and violent criminals.
td
February 6th, 2013
10:49 pm
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
10:37 pm
You have to be kidding me. A 22 caliber rifle with a pistol grip is more dangerous and lethal the a regular .308, 30.06, .44 carbine?
getalife
February 6th, 2013
10:49 pm
jim is a racist.
“We need to get serous about keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill and violent criminals.”
Ban guns?
Universal background check?
Take your pick.
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
10:51 pm
@jimiz_1
If you profess to be a Native American, how do you know that your people were here before blacks?
Secondly, your assertion that you are an independent voter says what about your character except to say you vote for the person that you think has your best interest.
And, since you are a Native American, you should know all too well about the “ghetto”, i.e, reservations that your people were moved to and forced to live in conditions that are in many ways that are worse than the “ghetto.”
If you are a Native American, you should know that you did not have citizenship rights and your status were much the same as that of black Americans.
You keep going back to that specious canard about blacks living off the government. If you do not have a career position that earns you more than say $100,000 year, you too live off the government in many ways via tax breaks and other things given to you by the government.
Lastly, you content that you have never had a problem with “them.” If you are a native American, tell me when you have not been discriminated against.
As for the thugs and black trash, it really takes a trashy person to know a trashy person; you have had to live that experience to know what it means.
It sounds to me that you are lowing than whale gravy and are a coward to try to categorize people because of their skin color. Being a Native American, do you claim to be a “red man?”
Recon 0311 2533
February 6th, 2013
10:53 pm
TBS,
Yeah, we can saddle up and got to Lejeune in J-ville N.C. or Ft. Bragg, Ft. Benning or Pendelton in California drink a lot of beer. It would be fun but what could be proven.
vuduchld
February 6th, 2013
10:55 pm
This article is complete farce and a joke. I could care less about “Black Republicans”, they mean absolutely squat to me and 90 per cent of other African-Americans. The GOP laid out the “no welcome” sign long ago, I looked at it, laughed and moved on. I’m interested in nothing these maggots have to sell. GO TO HELL!!!
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
10:56 pm
@td
In close quarters, which would you rather have, something that is small, light and easily handled rather than a 30.06 or .44 magnum.
Secondly, those that don’t have the experience, knows that when you are being shot at, or, have to shoot at something other than the paper targets at the shooting range, your first 3 or 4 shoots will be erratic as your level of adrenalin is so elevated.
Yes, I would rather have a .22 caliber instead of the large gun. Keep in mind, the AR15 uses .223 ammo.
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
11:02 pm
@Recon
I agree with all your assertions and know the problems of the early M-16’s in Nam.
But, we need to ban assault weapons because we have many “wanna bees” that run around think the need to protect themselves from the government, not realizing that the weapons they have is NOTHING compared to what the government has.
Secondly, as you well know, when you were on active duty, your weapon was always locked in the armory when you were not in a combat environment.
td
February 6th, 2013
11:03 pm
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
10:56 pm
I would rather have a shotgun or a pistol then a AR-15 in close quarters like my house. If I wanted to reach out a shoot a person say at 200 yards then I would take the 30.06 over the AR-15. If I had to shoot 3 or 4 people at 100 feet then the AR-15 would be the best weapon.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 6th, 2013
11:05 pm
If I wanted to reach out a shoot a person say at 200 yards then…
…that would be murder and not self defense.
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
11:07 pm
@td
The shotgun is perfect for home protection.
How often would have a situation where you needed to shoot someone at 100 yards or more?
If you had to shoot multiple times, would a semi-automatic do the same job?
td
February 6th, 2013
11:07 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 6th, 2013
11:05 pm
If I wanted to reach out a shoot a person say at 200 yards then…
…that would be murder and not self defense.
Not if the person had a gun and I was scared that they were coming to my house with the gun to shoot me or my family. Self defense in this state.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 6th, 2013
11:09 pm
Self defense in this state.
Not in any way, shape or form.
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
11:10 pm
@td
Here is the max range and effective range of the M16/AR15.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_maximum_effective_range_of_a_M16
You have to remember that you have to set your sights on these weapons to be reasonably accurate.
td
February 6th, 2013
11:14 pm
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
11:07 pm
@td
The shotgun is perfect for home protection.
How often would have a situation where you needed to shoot someone at 100 yards or more?
If you had to shoot multiple times, would a semi-automatic do the same job?
All of my guns are semi-automatic except for the .44 mag revolver ( which I would prefer in close quarters because the round would still be lethal through a wall or a sofa. My 30.06 is Semi auto (deer hunting) and I have several mags including a 20 round mag.
As far as needing a weapon at a 100 yards, I can think of several situations that could call for it and it is better to be prepared then not to be prepared. Not to mention the fact that it is my constitutional right to have guns with that capability.
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
11:15 pm
@td
I think the US military has one of the most effective gun control models in the world.
If you are not in an active combat environment, you MUST check your individual weapon into the armory and if the weapon is lost or stolen, no one goes home until it is found.
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
11:20 pm
@td
You do have a constitution right to own a firearm. However, you have a constitutional responsibility not to infringe upon the life and liberty of anyone else outside your area of constitutional rights.
In other words, if you shoot someone outside your home on the premise that you are protecting yourself from that person, your constitutional rights are no longer valid; you will be charged with a crime and most likely loose your constitutional right to freedom.
Recon 0311 2533
February 6th, 2013
11:20 pm
Problem with a shotgun for home protection and I have a Rem. 870 12, is that most encounters are within 30 yards and typically less. Shotguns within 30 yards won’t spread much beyond the size of the bottom of a coffee cup. The full spread goes out to 45 yards where it’s about the size of a pizza pan. Bottom line…you need to aim a shot gun at close range. Semi-auto hand guns nine mil. and up with high capacity mags are your best choice in the home.
td
February 6th, 2013
11:21 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 6th, 2013
11:09 pm
Self defense in this state.
Not in any way, shape or form.
“Defense from a forcible felony; A person is justified in using threats or force to the degree they reasonably believe it is necessary to stop another person’s imminent use of unlawful force. A person is justified in using deadly force which may harm or kill only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself or herself or a third person or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony (unless it is regarding defense of habitation, which has it’s own requirements below). You are not justified if you were the aggressor or you are/were/on-the-way-to committing a felony. (The state has pre-empted local cities and counties from further restricting this defense.)(16-3-21)”
Fits my situation to a tee my friend. “reasonably believe”. If you have a gun in your hand and am heading towards my house then I am going to believe you intend to do bodily harm to me or my family and I can use deadly force to stop you.
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
11:22 pm
@Recon
I will defer to your expertise.
td
February 6th, 2013
11:24 pm
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
11:20 pm
Not according to Georgia state law. We do not live in a state where the person has to be in your house any longer.
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
11:25 pm
@td
If that is true, then we are in a state of anarchy. Anyone could claim self-defense at any time.
getalife
February 6th, 2013
11:27 pm
Spray three 90 round clips.
td
February 6th, 2013
11:29 pm
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
11:25 pm
@td
If that is true, then we are in a state of anarchy. Anyone could claim self-defense at any time.
I am sure there would be an investigation to determine if a person had “reasonable believe”. I posted the actual law for Kam.
Recon 0311 2533
February 6th, 2013
11:32 pm
Spray three 90 round clips.
There’s no such thing as a 90 round clip. The last was an 8 round clip in the M1-Garand.
getalife
February 6th, 2013
11:33 pm
MP5.
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
11:33 pm
The gentleman that killed a young guy for turning around in his driveway has nothing to worry about.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 6th, 2013
11:37 pm
…believe it is necessary to stop another person’s imminent use of unlawful force.
600 feet is imminent?
Go to court with that one, and see if it works.
Recon 0311 2533
February 6th, 2013
11:43 pm
Clips and magazines are entirely different. Clips are low capacity and magazines which are spring activated are capable of feeding high capacity rounds into the chambers of today’s semi-automatic firearms and fully automatic firearms.
Jackie
February 6th, 2013
11:46 pm
Laddies and gentlemen, I must call it a evening.
@Recon
SALUTE!!!