GOP’s ire, once directed at Obama, now turns inward
There’s a lot of unhappiness out there.
For example, the Wall Street types who financed the GOP’s 2012 campaign, donating hundreds of millions of dollars to the party as well as to the SuperPACs run by Karl Rove and others, are not a happy lot.
They are unhappy because they got little or nothing for their investment; they are unhappy with the GOP’s deep reluctance to come to the aid of Hurricane Sandy victims in the Northeast; and as the Manhattan elite, they are unhappy about financing a party that picks on their gay friends and their Muslim friends and doesn’t seem all that friendly to their black friends either.
Rove and his buddies in the GOP political establishment are also very, very unhappy. They are unhappy because their deep-pocket donors are unhappy. They’re unhappy because the deeply conservative base that they created and nurtured along the way to a permanent Republican majority has now slipped their leash and now acts as if they, not the Roves of the world, ought to run the party and set its goals and pick its candidates.
Such impertinence is not appreciated.
To regain control, Rove and his allies have created a new front group, the Conservative Victory Fund, to siphon still more money from donors. This time, the money will be used to finance a war with the great unwashed within their own party and promote more electable (read: moderate and malleable) candidates. In effect, they seek to put their creature back on its leash, where it can be more useful to them.
“There is a broad concern about having blown a significant number of races because the wrong candidates were selected,” as Steven J. Law, president of Rove’s American Crossroads, told the New York Times.
And of course, those who identify as champions of the GOP grassroots aren’t happy either. They aren’t in the mood to listen to condescending lectures from fancy-dan consultants who spent hundreds of millions of other people’s money and got nothing for it, and now want to blame their failure on conservatives for being too conservative.
Matt Hoskins, executive director of the Senate Conservatives Fund, founded by former Sen. Jim DeMint, put it bluntly:
“The Conservative Defeat Project is yet another example of the Republican establishment’s hostility toward its conservative base. Rather than listening to the grassroots and working to advance their principles, the establishment has chosen to declare war on the party’s most loyal supporters. If they keep this up, the party will remain in the wilderness for decades to come.”
And as our friends over at RedState put it:
“American Crossroads is creating a new Super PAC to crush conservatives, destroy the tea party, and put a bunch of squishes in Republican leadership positions. …I dare say any candidate who gets this group’s support should be targeted for destruction by the conservative movement.”
Live by the sword, die by the sword, I suppose.
– Jay Bookman
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Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
2:28 pm
“How come CONS aren’t protesting for all the women and children MURDERED
by guns in the U. S.?”
How ya gonna protest or stop individual killers. I’ve seen plenty of black leaders stage “stop the violence” marches and protests. Doesn’t seem to do much in their communities except maybe make people stop for a few hours or a day or 2.
“How come CONS aren’t protesting for all the children who die because
of HUNGER in the U. S.?”
Really? Kids are starving to death on a regular basis in the U.S.? Got a link to show that this is a common occurrence? Cause from what I’ve seen obesity is the biggest problem in the lowest income neighborhoods.
“How come CONS aren’t protesting for all the children who are molested
by catholic priests in the U. S.?”
Lots of people including many cons were upset about it. But don’t let that stop your completely BS hyperbole.
“How come CONS aren’t protesting for all the senior citizens that are starving
in the U. S.?”
Seniors are just dropping dead left and right from starvation all over the U.S.? Sure they are buddy. I see withered up starving seniors all the time. Had to step over 3 of them that withered up and died from starvation just to get to work this morning. kd
Look at folks. It looks like we got another one a them thar fainting liberal goats.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_3Utmj4RPU
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 5th, 2013
2:28 pm
Uh Huh…The GOP’s CHICKENS are coming home to ROOST
February 5th, 2013
2:21 pm
Why in your opinion was BO qualified for a Nobel Peace Prize? That has always puzzled me…of course Gore’s award based on the cheese and half truths in his self serving film has always puzzled me as well.
I wonder if I can get one for things I haven’t yet done?
getalife
February 5th, 2013
2:28 pm
Told ya it is great blogging times
appleseed
February 5th, 2013
2:28 pm
Joel more motivational speaker than preacher.TD more Thulsa than TD.If you rename your party I would suggest Pharisees party.just saying.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
February 5th, 2013
2:30 pm
obama is giving the u.s. a bad reputation around the world
making us look like cold blooded killers
SHAME ON HIM
SHAME ON YOU
SHAME ON US
Drone strikes kill, maim and traumatize too many civilians, U.S. study says
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/25/world/asia/pakistan-us-drone-strikes
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 5th, 2013
2:30 pm
GetaLife are you and the self proclaimed chicken man of relations?
Marty Huggins'
February 5th, 2013
2:31 pm
getalife
February 5th, 2013
2:23 pm
Mighty republican of you to either vast me to support Obama’s use of drones or I’m an aq lover….
I didn’t say he had to give the power back,
But he could more to ensure innocent women and children are not there when he drones a house.
He can honor our rights as citizens to due process.
He had the power to “torture” since the bush admin had aloud for it but he chose to end that practice.
Suppose he sees killing the guilty and innocent alike to be a better option.
Bullseye
February 5th, 2013
2:34 pm
.220 Swift is a varmit cartridge. Maybe you should buy up .223s, if you can find one.
appleseed
February 5th, 2013
2:34 pm
Thulsa@2′2:8 Interesting,and I thought factual until you said get to work.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 5th, 2013
2:34 pm
UNCLE SAMANTHA
February 5th, 2013
2:30 pm
Yes and that will come back to haunt us down the road…we gave those folks very little favorable outcomes from our enforcement of our will…they will remember the killing of family members courtesy of the US government.
One can make a solid argument that we are the most prevalent terrorist organization…no doubt we have killed more innocents than 911 and all other terror strikes combined.
moonbat betty
February 5th, 2013
2:34 pm
Liberals care about more about the rights of terrorists than their own citizens.
I suppose they think the citizens they are going to whack are angry old white men.
getalife
February 5th, 2013
2:34 pm
The gop establishment declared war with you cons.
Your move cons.
What are you going to do to fight back?
Nothing.
You are marginalized
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of him)
February 5th, 2013
2:35 pm
Okay, Thulsa, get ready for a couple of the regulars to show up, read our exchange, and tell us both how God isn’t happy with either one of us!
Well, don’t know if I’m a regular but I go a couple times a day. Anyhow, this Osteen ain’t no Rev. Jim Bob Buice. I mean, he’s all happy and everything and he don’t even say nothing about being took up from earth, the way me and mine will be, and leaving all the evil people behind—that’d be you two. He’d be alot better if there was some fire and brimstone in his sermons.
And all I got to say about that stewardess his wife shoved is, there wouldn’t be nothing left of her if she got into it with the missus.
Uh Huh...The GOP's CHICKENS are coming home to ROOST
February 5th, 2013
2:36 pm
@Marty Huggins’
February 5th, 2013
2:25 pm
Uh Huh…The GOP’s CHICKENS are coming home to ROOST
February 5th, 2013
2:18 pm
Seems you are projecting what you think about people to be actual fact.
With the guns example you used.
You don’t seem to understand most if not all “Cons” protest and disagree with those who kill women and children with guns. They just don’t protest the gun!
See the drone is the gun in this case and Obama is the one making the decision that ultimately kills women and children.
Now do you protest him for that along with the gun shooting murderer of women and children or are you using your selective outrag
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““Cons” protest and disagree with those who kill women and children with guns. They just don’t protest the gun!”
Huh?
So HATE the SHOOTER not the WEAPON?
Huh?
I HATE THE SHOOTER AND THE WEAPON.
Uh huh….
Uh huh….
Uh huh….
комисса́р (Occupation)
February 5th, 2013
2:37 pm
But bear in mind, Uncle Samantha, that we should turn things around the other way, too. So we’ll be back to see whether you protest as loudly the next GOP that is elected president (if there is one elected again before a party split) when that president continues, and intensifies, Obama’s continuation/intensification of the Bush/Cheney security state, assassination practices, etc.
getalife
February 5th, 2013
2:38 pm
Your opinions mean nothing to the gop
UNCLE SAMANTHA
February 5th, 2013
2:38 pm
SO WATERBOARDING A TERRORIST OR MILITARY COMBATANT IS bad
KILLING CIVILIANS IS good
SHAME
BLAME
maim
Marty Huggins'
February 5th, 2013
2:39 pm
getalife
February 5th, 2013
2:34 pm
Well I don’t know.
You’ve called me a con many times.
But I hope the GOP eliminates or silences the extreme elements of the party. Or at the least finds a program for the element who are addicted to the taste of their own feet.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 5th, 2013
2:40 pm
UNCLE SAMANTHA
February 5th, 2013
2:30 pm
Earlier today I was wondering about how many innocent civilians were killed for every known dead terrorists…at least in Pakistan we have an estimate
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2208307/Americas-deadly-double-tap-drone-attacks-killing-49-people-known-terrorist-Pakistan.html#axzz2K3Uou0y0
When we use the terrorist label, we should look in the mirror first.
Paul
February 5th, 2013
2:40 pm
“And all I got to say about that stewardess his wife shoved is, there wouldn’t be nothing left of her if she got into it with the missus.”
They have stewardesses on cargo planes?!!?
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
2:41 pm
“Okay, Thulsa, get ready for a couple of the regulars to show up, read our exchange, and tell us both how God isn’t happy with either one of us!”
Paul,
I dunno. You seem like a pretty righteous dude so you’re probably good with him. I’m another story. He’s probably usually pissed at me and if I up and go today I probably aint getting into the pearly gates.
I’ll watch Osteen again and try giving him another chance. The only preacher I really enjoy watching is Doug Batchelor from amazing facts. He preaches positivity, doesn’t preach hellfire and brimstone guilt ridden crap, and all the while he preaches actual doctrine and bible lessons. He also answers typical questions about the bible with thorough, rational, and logical answers. Watching him has been eye opening and taught me all the wrong things that I had believed about the bible and God for years and years. If you ever get a chance check him out at amazing facts.org. I wish every holy man was like this guy.
getalife
February 5th, 2013
2:41 pm
Marty,
So you are a gop establishment guy and side with them against the cons?
комисса́р (Occupation)
February 5th, 2013
2:41 pm
moonbat betty: “Liberals care about more about the rights of terrorists than their own citizens.”
Really? Which is why they cheer at movies that glorify the assassination mission that eliminated Osama bin Laden?
So, Hollywood is usually “liberal” in the conservative imagination. Yet that same Hollywood makes a propaganda film glorifying the aforementioned military assassination, and we hear not of word from the likes of you, moonbat betty, in the way of explanation?
Can’t have it both ways.
mm
February 5th, 2013
2:42 pm
I see the rightwing truth stretchers are out in force today.
Uh Huh...The GOP's CHICKENS are coming home to ROOST
February 5th, 2013
2:42 pm
@moonbat betty
February 5th, 2013
2:34 pm
Liberals care about more about the rights of terrorists than their own citizens.
I suppose they think the citizens they are going to whack are angry old white men.
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“rights of terrorists than their own citizens?”
That sounds like BS
“whack are angry old white men?”
That sounds like chicken scratch.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
February 5th, 2013
2:43 pm
Here’s a telling stat: Since the Violence Against Women Act was enacted in 1994, incidents of domestic violence have fallen by more than 50 percent.
But now VAWA has expired — and House Republicans refuse to reauthorize it. Here’s the bottom line: Programs to protect women can’t be expanded or improved until VAWA is reauthorized:
The GOP seems to be so upset with the targeting of American born terrorists that they can’t get their act together to re-authorize the Violence Against Women Act. I can’t imagine why…
Paul
February 5th, 2013
2:44 pm
Thanks, Thulsa, I’ll give it a go -
williebkind
February 5th, 2013
2:44 pm
Obamacare will cost the average family 20K a year! Does it apply to the democrat plantation or will they get to vote present.
Brosephus™
February 5th, 2013
2:45 pm
Heyward: I pray for your offspring who might……………………..be agaisnt…………………the State.
Thanks but that’s not needed. My offspring will follow the same line of DNA that has been on American soil since the 1790s. We’re 100% American and support America. We don’t dilly dally in that Libertarian crap that you peddle here as we know that there’s no “State” here as the government and the people are one and the same. You can take that “Seig Heil!” and give yourself a colonscopy with it. I don’t buy that sh*t you try to sell here.
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Moderate Line
@ 12:31
So you really don’t have problem killing innocent children. Make up your mind.
If and when I say such, then address that. Otherwise, don’t put words in my mouth and try to debate what you “think” I said. Otherwise, I’ll treat you as any other far-Rightie here that has no common sense. You’re a pretty straight up person, and I have no problem defending my words, but it will be a cold day in hell before I defend yours.
@ 12:45
Well maybe your right. I thought I could because the constitution protected speech but maybe that right is suspended as soon as go to a foreign country with no extradition treaty.
That right to protected speech only goes so far. It is not unlimited and/or unregulated. I would think that you would already know and understand that.
So your argument is if someone like yourself was just waking to the store and there was a drive by and you got shot when you were 16 it would be your fault and should not care because I was not in the hood and you should have left.
No. That’s YOUR interpretation of what you THINK my argument is. My actual argument is don’t enter a country and hang out with people who have declared war with America and expect to be completely safe. I don’t care if you’re 16 or 60. I love my mom to death, but if she posted videos online that incited people to kill Americans, you wouldn’t find me within a 100 mile radius of her.
People who get caught in drive-bys like your scenario can’t help that. Now, if you go to Afghanistan and get blown away by an IED, why would you go to Afghanistan in the first place?
Finally, if you want to know my position on something, just ask and don’t assume. I have no problem with sharing my opinons as much as I can. I would much rather you debate what I say vs what you “think” I say.
moonbat betty
February 5th, 2013
2:46 pm
“Earlier today I was wondering about how many innocent civilians were killed for every known dead terrorists…at least in Pakistan we have an estimate”
Depends on how they define a terrorist or an innocent.
If someone is not a member of AQ but are sympathetic and allow those elements to move freely among themselves, are they considered terrorists?
Probably not, but perhaps they should be?
the dog
February 5th, 2013
2:47 pm
Forgive me Jay.
Thulsa-you are a flaming azzhole. Now you are cheering that children and seniors are going hungry in America. Do you kick dogs too?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 5th, 2013
2:47 pm
Marty Huggins’
February 5th, 2013
2:39 pm
Yeah, you are just a conny conned con you big silly. What is your response going to be conny con? You really should get a grip because you conny are the one being conned. C’mon Conny Con, everything is good..why worry…just go away you evil destructive con..
GetaLife is like a billboard on Jay’s highway of the liberal. Every few miles she reminds us that this is an anti-con blog and don’t you ever forget it!
getalife
February 5th, 2013
2:47 pm
If you are not aq, you have nothing to worry about.
the dog
February 5th, 2013
2:47 pm
And children being raped by men of the church is fine with thulsa too. You are a disgusting pig.
Marty Huggins'
February 5th, 2013
2:48 pm
Uh Huh…The GOP’s CHICKENS are coming home to ROOST
February 5th, 2013
2:36 pm
I don’t hate or have a feeling towards inanimate objects.
I have an issue with people who do harm with or cause a byproduct causing harm with an inanimate object.
A knife is a weapon, a brick, a rock, a baseball bat.
Do you hate those too?
I have a gun that has never shot or harmed any living creature why hate it?
How about folks who stab to death with a knife, or beat to death with a brick, a rock or a baseball bat a woman or child.
You want to hate something that kills people hate cancer it kills many more than any human gun combination.
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
2:48 pm
moonbat,
That is the question of the day. Should we treat the sympathizers as the terrorists themselves?
moonbat betty
February 5th, 2013
2:49 pm
“That sounds like chicken scratch.”
Oops “our”, good one chicken man!
getalife
February 5th, 2013
2:50 pm
“this is an anti-con blog and don’t you ever forget it!”
My message failed because this blog is invested with cons.
You cons are at war with the gop establishment.
What are you going to do to fight back?
Granny Godzilla
February 5th, 2013
2:52 pm
williebkind
are you confused?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/15/health-care-costs-record_n_1516380.html
or are the folks writing the headlines you read purposefully misleading you?
illyushin
February 5th, 2013
2:52 pm
Uncle Samantha, Doom, Occupation
Obama, The CIA, The FBI and our Military are trying, as hard as they can, to find and kill as many of the Al Qaeda and other terrorists as possible. These are the kind of people who carried out 9/11 and would nuke us if they could. They hide among civilians knowing that, if they are killed, innocent men, women and children will also die. They also know that con tools like you, wallowing in ideological ignorance, will loudly blame Obama and do damage to our Country.
How does it feel to be helping our enemies?
Marty Huggins'
February 5th, 2013
2:52 pm
getalife
February 5th, 2013
2:41 pm
See I just don’t have an obsession to categorize everything and everyone into groups.
Nor do I believe in group think.
I hope as a group the republican tighten up their message and silence the extreme voices of the party who allow the party to be branded as such.
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
2:53 pm
the dog
February 5th, 2013
2:47 pm
And children being raped by men of the church is fine with thulsa too. You are a disgusting pig.
Kindly point out where I said that please.
Brosephus™
February 5th, 2013
2:53 pm
skipper: I know this is not a duel, but ‘Bro has put a double-barrel high-brass a$$ whoopin’ on your lame self today
It’s not even about that. I understand where Moderate Line is coming from with the Due Process argument. My issue with that is that, when a person purposefully affilates themself with a known enemy that considers itself at war with the US, then they forfeit that right to Due Process on the battlefield. If that person is apprehended away from the battlefield or theater of action, then they should be afforded due process.
The military isn’t a police force. They are built and trained for one purpose. Either we fight a war with terrorist with the military, as we are currently doing, or we go to a police action and use the CIA, FBI, and other police agencies. In my opinion, though, we can’t do both at the same time.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
February 5th, 2013
2:54 pm
OBAMA redifining civilians
Analysis: Obama embraced redefinition of ‘civilian’ in drone wars
shame on him
hippocrit
moonbat betty
February 5th, 2013
2:54 pm
“That is the question of the day. Should we treat the sympathizers as the terrorists themselves?”
I believe so, if they are protecting known terrorists.
The left would never go for this with an “R” as president, but obviously will with a “D”.
illyushin
February 5th, 2013
2:55 pm
Marty Huggins
Are you interested in decreasing gun murders in our country.
Or, will you take the con way out by saying that, since bricks, rocks, baseball bats, etc. can cause death, we should just ignore any kind of gun controls?
the dog
February 5th, 2013
2:55 pm
Thulsa-you are a pig, own it.
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
2:28 pm
“How come CONS aren’t protesting for all the women and children MURDERED
by guns in the U. S.?”
How ya gonna protest or stop individual killers. I’ve seen plenty of black leaders stage “stop the violence” marches and protests. Doesn’t seem to do much in their communities except maybe make people stop for a few hours or a day or 2.
“How come CONS aren’t protesting for all the children who die because
of HUNGER in the U. S.?”
Really? Kids are starving to death on a regular basis in the U.S.? Got a link to show that this is a common occurrence? Cause from what I’ve seen obesity is the biggest problem in the lowest income neighborhoods.
“How come CONS aren’t protesting for all the children who are molested
by catholic priests in the U. S.?”
Lots of people including many cons were upset about it. But don’t let that stop your completely BS hyperbole.
“How come CONS aren’t protesting for all the senior citizens that are starving
in the U. S.?”
Seniors are just dropping dead left and right from starvation all over the U.S.? Sure they are buddy. I see withered up starving seniors all the time. Had to step over 3 of them that withered up and died from starvation just to get to work this morning. kd
Look at folks. It looks like we got another one a them thar fainting liberal goats.
комисса́р (Occupation)
February 5th, 2013
2:56 pm
moonbat betty: “If someone is not a member of AQ but are sympathetic and allow those elements to move freely among themselves, are they considered terrorists?”
Does hiring and working on a regular basis with Al Qaeda count as “sympathizing” with the terrorists, and are the sympathizers not also terrorists themselves?
If so, then is not the United States government some of the biggest terrorists of all, seeing as they continue to contract with Al- Qaeda affiliates right now as we speak in places like Syria, N Africa, all this of course not to even mention the very direct role played by our govenment in fueling AQ’s rise during the Soviet-Afghan war in the 1970s and 80s.
Marty Huggins'
February 5th, 2013
2:56 pm
moonbat betty
February 5th, 2013
2:46 pm
Many of the women do not exactly get a choice in the matter. The children are heavily influenced from birth.
Also in the areas they exist those who speak up against them do not often do so twice.
But they could move you know with all that wealth contained by average citizens of those regions.
the dog
February 5th, 2013
2:56 pm
and now the flaming azzhole will say he was just kidding. you are sickening.
moonbat betty
February 5th, 2013
2:57 pm
has “the cat” morphed into “the dog”?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 5th, 2013
2:57 pm
the dog
February 5th, 2013
2:47 pm
Cheering that seniors and children are starving…?? Check out some census numbers..
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204573704577185553258224344.html
BTW, if so many US folks are dying of starvation, why do you suppose we have all these domestic organizations trying to raise money for starving in foreign lands?
Spare us the drama…..
Any deaths from starvation in US are generally a result of a long period of stupidity…very few people starve to death in this country and those who do, its their own/parents fault.
getalife
February 5th, 2013
2:57 pm
Marty,
You hate the cons.
Got it.
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
2:57 pm
Illyushin,
I actually think Obama is doing a fine job in Afghanistan with the drone bombing. I’ve said that on several occasions in the past.
The only thing I find curious about it is what would have been the reaction if W was taking out civilians as collateral damage when drone bombing. The libs would have been all over him as a baby killer and war criminal. Curiously they say nothing when Obama regularly drone bombs knowing full well that women and children will die.
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
2:59 pm
moonbat betty
February 5th, 2013
2:57 pm
has “the cat” morphed into “the dog”?
Yep.
Brosephus™
February 5th, 2013
2:59 pm
That is the question of the day. Should we treat the sympathizers as the terrorists themselves?
Well, I think the precedence has already been set for that question. If you’re in a car with 3 other people and cocaine is found in the car, all 4 people are getting arrested and charged with possession. If the amount is large, then it will be possession with intent to distribute. The only way you don’t get charged is if the person who owns the drugs openly admits that the drugs belong to them and nobody else is involved with them. Even then, everybody’s still getting steel bracelets at the time the drugs are found.
If we treat drug dealers that way, how do you think we’ll treat people who are actively trying to kill us or other Americans?
TBS
February 5th, 2013
3:00 pm
the dog @ 2:47
Thulsa and I do not see eye to eye on most political issues and have had our share of back and forths.
With that said, it was obvious he was joking and put (kd) at the end of that line or post.
He provides plenty of opportunity via is posts to rebuke, debate and argue.
No need to make anything up; especially when it was evident that he was joking in that instance.
комисса́р (Occupation)
February 5th, 2013
3:01 pm
“Uncle Samantha, Doom, Occupation … They also know that con tools like you, wallowing in ideological ignorance, will loudly blame Obama”
I love sowing confusion this way. My work is done.
Marty Huggins'
February 5th, 2013
3:01 pm
illyushin
February 5th, 2013
2:55 pm
Yes I am interested in cutting that number down.
I am not convinced gun restrictions are the answer.
See Chicago, murder rate is not dropping.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
February 5th, 2013
3:02 pm
noam chomsky was right
liberal or conservative………….. the u.s. government are killers
2 presidents with nobel peace prizes sponsor killing of civilians
WHAT JIMMY CARTER ALLOWED INDONESIA TO DO TO EAST TIMOR IS SICKENING
he should give back his NOBEL and HIDE IN SHAME
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
3:03 pm
the dog (the cat),
And what specifically did I say that upset you or that you disagree with. For example in some tough inner city communities after a rash of gun violence sometimes there is a protest or march against violence. After a short period of time the gun violence picks back up again. What part of that is not true cat?
the dog
February 5th, 2013
3:03 pm
http://abcnews.go.com/US/hunger_at_home/hunger-home-american-children-malnourished/story?id=14367230
Are you proud of this Thulsa?
комисса́р (Occupation)
February 5th, 2013
3:03 pm
Brosephus: ” If you’re in a car with 3 other people and cocaine is found in the car, all 4 people are getting arrested and charged with possession. If the amount is large, then it will be possession with intent to distribute. ”
All of that presupposes a process. In other words, the rule of law. At least on some basic level.
Those who are blown to bits by a missile, however, do not by definition enjoy the right to such a process.
moonbat betty
February 5th, 2013
3:04 pm
Marty 2:56, collateral damage is an unfortunate outcome of achieving certain goals.
For example, they didn’t necessarily have to shoot the females in Osama’s bunker, but they were there knowing what he “does”, so they get whacked for the “greater good”.
Collateral damage will always be a cost of war.
Just depends on how we are going to continue to pursue them.
Marty Huggins'
February 5th, 2013
3:05 pm
getalife
February 5th, 2013
2:57 pm
Unlike you I tend to not hate other Americans because we differ in opinion.
But if that works for you go for it you already seem to be going for putting words into people’s mouths.
Those two qualities sure are a start to being an even better person than you already are
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 5th, 2013
3:05 pm
getalife
February 5th, 2013
2:50 pm
Fight back what exactly?
I guess you are either saying that the uber-conservatives are pushing the conservatives around and fighting should ensue?
Personally, I could care less about how the GOP decides to address its dysfunctionality…the real question is how do we address our overall government which is dysfunctional at the core…??
Joe Hussein Mama
February 5th, 2013
3:06 pm
Paul — “They have stewardesses on cargo planes?!!?”
That depends.
Right about the time Flying Tiger cargo airlines got bought by FedEx, I flew on them to Japan and back (there was a teeny FedEx logo painted on the 747s tail). And yes, there were flight attendants on there.
I flew on a 7-seat Army C-12 several times. Once we did have a flight surgeon aboard who served coffee and donuts. Guess he was the flight attendant?
You can go long-haul on C-130s, C-17s, C-141s and C-5s. Flight attendants? Don’t know, never gone long-haul on them.
I’ve never been on one, but many popular aircraft types can be ordered as “combis” by the airlines; these are a combined cargo-passenger aircraft. I know that 737s and 747s can be delivered this way, and French ATRs can, too (Delta still flies some ATRs on short routes).
http://www.alaskaair.com/content/travel-info/fleet/737-400-combi.aspx
the dog
February 5th, 2013
3:07 pm
TBS-I don’t think children and the elderly going hungry is a kidding matter. If you feel it is, I suggest you look inward.
TBS
February 5th, 2013
3:00 pm
the dog @ 2:47
Thulsa and I do not see eye to eye on most political issues and have had our share of back and forths.
With that said, it was obvious he was joking and put (kd) at the end of that line or post.
He provides plenty of opportunity via is posts to rebuke, debate and argue.
No need to make anything up; especially when it was evident that he was joking in that instance.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 5th, 2013
3:07 pm
комисса́р (Occupation)
February 5th, 2013
3:03 pm
I was one of those 4 guys in the car…good thing that at the time I possessed willing and vivacious nasal capabilities..
the dog
February 5th, 2013
3:08 pm
Next we will hear thulsa and tbs they can beat their wives if they say they were just kidding.
Brosephus™
February 5th, 2013
3:09 pm
Those who are blown to bits by a missile, however, do not by definition enjoy the right to such a process.
Those who are blown to bits by a missile are usually on the battfield or within the theater of engagement. How do you suppose we enact such a process on the field of battle?
TBS
February 5th, 2013
3:11 pm
the dog
You can preach all day if that makes you feel better. If you want to say that part of his post was distasteful, that is your right and could be a valid point. However it was obvious that he was joking.
Call out his joke for being distasteful, but you came at him as if he said it as a matter of fact, which you know he wasn’t.
You just wanted to say that he did.
Now carry on.
комисса́р (Occupation)
February 5th, 2013
3:11 pm
Brosephus:”Those who are blown to bits by a missile are usually on the battfield or within the theater of engagement”
Not when said missile is fired from a drone hovering overhead at the funeral held for the previous one blown to bits by drones.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 5th, 2013
3:11 pm
THE DOG
Can you direct me to some credible source that clarifies the number of children and seniors who starve to death or otherwise have no access to our various social nets?
Of course, many who live in the streets who suffer from addiction diseases and any number of mental illnesses when the safety net proceeds are not put toward food, that is a real problem. Other than that or criminal intent, I haven’t been able to find credible census or other data to suggest this is as big a deal as you are suggesting.
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
3:12 pm
the cat posing as the dog,
We have free breakfast and free lunch programs for kids that are poor. And then food stamps on top of all that. And then private charity programs and food banks on top of all that.
TBS
February 5th, 2013
3:12 pm
dog
As long as it is within the rules of this blog, I will say what I damn well please.
Your assertions about me, mean nothing to me or anyone else for that matter.
Now carry on with your daily crying shtick
skipper
February 5th, 2013
3:12 pm
DROOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEE…….BAM!
Popped a’nuddon’……….
Why do you think only repubs want to get rid of these parasites??? I am not one at all, but understand the need.
Marty Huggins'
February 5th, 2013
3:13 pm
moonbat betty
February 5th, 2013
3:04 pm
That was a siege operation and I assume they were not executing women who were not actively trying to kill them. Their mission was the target, the women opposed them from getting to the target and directly endangered their lives.
You’re not claiming they executed them are you?
I see women pointing guns at you as far different from sitting at a table with a terrorist.
Does knowing a terrorist or even agreeing with a terrorist mean one deserves to die in your opinion?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 5th, 2013
3:15 pm
Brosephus™
February 5th, 2013
3:09 pm
I did find a study of Pakistan where the estimated ratio of innocent deaths to bad guy deaths is 49:1…
Cmon BRO, most of these folks have no idea they are in a theatre of war or what a theatre of war is…we probably have no need to kill many of these targets in the first place. Of course it leaves no evidence to we are free to alledge all these killings are justified..
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
3:17 pm
the dog
February 5th, 2013
3:08 pm
Next we will hear thulsa and tbs they can beat their wives if they say they were just kidding.
the cat posing as the dog,
In my last paragraph where I speak of stepping over dead, starved seniors I put kd after it. kd is my kook disclaimer. Its meant to be satire. The same kind of satire that Jonothan Swift used when chastising the British when he suggested that they eat Irish newborns to rememdy the problem of Irish overpopulation. But I suppose Swift was an A-hole to wasn’t he?
the dog
February 5th, 2013
3:18 pm
Have at it pigs. It matters a lot to me there are those that think kids and elderly folks going hungry is a laughing matter. That is just sick.
Brosephus™
February 5th, 2013
3:18 pm
Not when said missile is fired from a drone hovering overhead at the funeral held for the previous one blown to bits by drones.
I don’t recall terrorists observing such “time out” rules either. I’m not saying that I outright agree with such a tactic, but war is war. When you espouse war against someone, you can’t call time outs later on until you decide to end your hostilities completely or negotiate a cease fire. Something tells me that AQ and it’s affiliates are not interested in any cease fire negotiations.
the dog
February 5th, 2013
3:20 pm
Thulsa-but I know you aren’t joking. YOu are just a mean little prick hiding behind your kd. I’m calling BS on your fat azz and little prick.
Your kook disclaimer is bs and you know it.
TBS
February 5th, 2013
3:20 pm
“Have at it pigs”
I probably could stand to cut back on my pork consumption. I don’t eat it daily by any means, but until I see fit will certainly have at it.
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
3:21 pm
the dog,
I’m not laughing about people going hungry. I’m laughing at people like you and Uh huh who think that people are starving to death on a regular basis in the U.S. I’ve no doubt that people go hungry from time to time because they don’t know how to access resources. But their are plenty of resources out there so that nobody in this country should literally be starving to death.
illyushin
February 5th, 2013
3:21 pm
doom – 2:57
It’s one thing for Bush or Obama to order drone attacks. It would be another thing for them to personally pick the targets and push the buttons.
Obviously, civilians WERE killed on many of the drone strikes ordered by Bush. Liberals said nothing because they knew then, as we still know now, that terrorists would purposely hide among them.
Libs did the right thing and said nothing.
Cons, thinking only of their ideology and Party, trash Obama every chance they get.
Tom Middleton
February 5th, 2013
3:21 pm
Do you think if Karl had known in the beginning that his “permanent conservative majority” would mean a permanent trek to the right he would have changed his mind? Sure looks like it from here.
Maybe he should have stopped with Dubya or never started at all, for all he’s ever really done is make matters worse!
the dog
February 5th, 2013
3:22 pm
TBS-trying to fit in at the supposed in his dreams kewl kid’s table by kissing up to thulsa? Really, you have stooped that low?
Moderate Line
February 5th, 2013
3:23 pm
Paul
February 5th, 2013
2:06 pm
Moderate Line
If one accepts the war on terror (or whatever title one wants to use) is a war then rules of war apply. “Due process” is not a concept we’ve extended to the battlefield. As I read your scenario, a person like al-Awlaki would have to have a warrant issued for his apprehension, military couldn’t do it, law enforcement would, he’d have to be Mirandized, brought to trial within certain timelines, etc.
To put it in terms many of a certain era on this blog would understand.
You’re with 0311 and Recon and a few others on patrol in Vietnam. You see ahead of you a group on NVA coming right at you with an American in black pajamas and an NVA helmet walking point, carrying AK. According to what I’ve read of your posts, the Marines would have to withhold fire on the American and accord him due process of criminal law.
You would be incorrect on my position. The two scenarios given are not even related. In one case you have to make a decision in the moment to decided whither this person is a hostile. The other is a specific attack on an individual. When the police go after a criminal and the criminal poses a physical threat the police have the right to take what measures are necessary to take him out. Let’s say you capture the American in the raid without killing him. What would you do at that point. Prisoners of war have certain rights but the capture prisoner could be tried for treason.
Also, I did not see where you answered my earlier question of ” the guy in the bunker, whom the authorities determined posed an imminent threat to the little boy, whose capture they felt was infeasible, so the authorities struck according to current legal practices: was that guy an American citizen killed without due process?
I did not see your earlier statement. No. Again. Do process does not mean authorities do not have the ability to react to an imminent threat.
Lets keep some important facts in mind. This guy was so dangerous that in 2002 we had him in custody for passport fraud and released him. Also, he was captured by the Yemen’s in 2006. So you have to factor in that he was in custody twice and released.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/07/mueller-grilled-on-fbis-release-al-awlaki-in-2002/
Paul
February 5th, 2013
3:23 pm
” many popular aircraft types can be ordered as “combis” by the airlines; these are a combined cargo-passenger aircraft.”
Thanks, Joe Hussein Mama.
Guess we oughta get a notice out to the flight attendants’ union letting them know if they get a redneck with a PBR t-shirt and a 300 and some-odd-pounder woman carrying a cast iron frying pan on board to treat her reeeeeeal nice -
Brosephus™
February 5th, 2013
3:24 pm
I did find a study of Pakistan where the estimated ratio of innocent deaths to bad guy deaths is 49:1…
Once again for the reading challenged….
I am not condoning targeting and killing of innocent civilians. I seriously doubt that members of AQ are going all over the place preaching hatred and death to the US and coming home and acting like Mr. Cleaver without a single person at home knowing what he’s doing. If we’re going to use drone strikes, then I agree that we need to have better intelligence on who and what we’re hitting. If and when AQ, the Taliban, and anybody else killing our soldiers drop their arms, we should immediately cease any hostile actions towards them.
Cmon BRO, most of these folks have no idea they are in a theatre of war or what a theatre of war is
In 2009, there were Afghani citizens who had never heard of the 9/11 attacks. Once again, Donald Rumsfeld could have and should have used the air force to beat the training camps into powder. We did not have to put boots on the ground to disrupt the terrorist networks. We’re never going to get rid of them, and the continued presence in Afghanistan is pretty much proof of that.
the dog
February 5th, 2013
3:24 pm
As of 2009, there were almost 1 million seniors in the U.S. who go hungry because they cannot afford to buy food. Another 5 million seniors in the U.S. faced the threat of hunger. In one of the world’s richest nations, no older American should be going hungry. However instead, in recent years, hunger rates have more than doubled for poor seniors in the country, and it is likely to get worse as the older population is the fastest growing cohort of the U.S. population.
комисса́р (Occupation)
February 5th, 2013
3:24 pm
By the way, it’s interesting to note that there’s probably been more commentary here today on the morality of drones and the security/military industrial complex than all the previous days put together.
How to explain it?
Could it be that as the GOP coalition undergoes more and more strain, this is freeing up previously marginalized right-leaning libertarian sentiments to be voiced much more freely, sometimes even after having been marginalized in the minds of the very same people?
If that’s indicative of a larger trend, this could get interesting indeed.
the dog
February 5th, 2013
3:24 pm
Left off the cite:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/enid-borden/senior-hunger-in-america-_b_900233.html
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
3:24 pm
“Thulsa-but I know you aren’t joking. YOu are just a mean little prick hiding behind your kd. I’m calling BS on your fat azz and little prick”
I can’t help it. Now you’re just cracking me up.
the dog
February 5th, 2013
3:25 pm
Still laughing thulsa and tbs? Hope you don’t have any elderly relatives going hungry tonight. Wish one of you would experience hunger to know what it feels like for just one night.
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
3:28 pm
“TBS-trying to fit in at the supposed in his dreams kewl kid’s table by kissing up to thulsa? Really, you have stooped that low?”
the cat posing as the dog,
I think TBS has pretty well made it known that he doesn’t kiss up to ole Doomy. But he doesn’t kiss up to you either and your namecalling either.
Skip
February 5th, 2013
3:30 pm
Having been in one I believe in killing everything in your path. I also believe in thinking a lot longer and harder than we do before going in. If you’re not willing to go all the way stay home.
Paul
February 5th, 2013
3:32 pm
Moderate Line
“You would be incorrect on my position.”
Hopefully you will finally lay it out.
” The two scenarios given are not even related.”
Two war zones, two Americans working with the enemy to kill Americans is not related? O-kaaaaayyyy…..
“In one case you have to make a decision in the moment to decided whither this person is a hostile. ”
A caucasian walking point in an NVA column carrying a weapon… is he a hostile?
You’re stretching credulity here.
“Let’s say you capture the American in the raid without killing him”
Big, big difference between engaging a person on the battlefield and having custody of a disarmed person. But that was never a factor in either situation.
2002? 2006? al-Awlaki was killed in 2011. There’s a big gap there.
Still haven’t seen where you’ve clearly stated what due process is in the al-Awlaki scenario.
And, you have not demonstrated that the actions of the Bush and Obama Administrations did not follow due process, either in the development of the process or in how it is carried out.
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
3:33 pm
“Still laughing thulsa and tbs?”
I’m not laughing at people going hungry. I’m laughing at your meltdown.
“Hope you don’t have any elderly relatives going hungry tonight.”
I don’t. But if I did I would damn sure help them.
“Wish one of you would experience hunger to know what it feels like for just one night.”
I’ve missed meals before and gone hungry and missed a couple of meals. Its not that big a deal. About a billion Muslims either do it or are supposed to do it from sunup to sundown during the month of Ramadan. Its called fasting.