GOP’s ire, once directed at Obama, now turns inward
There’s a lot of unhappiness out there.
For example, the Wall Street types who financed the GOP’s 2012 campaign, donating hundreds of millions of dollars to the party as well as to the SuperPACs run by Karl Rove and others, are not a happy lot.
They are unhappy because they got little or nothing for their investment; they are unhappy with the GOP’s deep reluctance to come to the aid of Hurricane Sandy victims in the Northeast; and as the Manhattan elite, they are unhappy about financing a party that picks on their gay friends and their Muslim friends and doesn’t seem all that friendly to their black friends either.
Rove and his buddies in the GOP political establishment are also very, very unhappy. They are unhappy because their deep-pocket donors are unhappy. They’re unhappy because the deeply conservative base that they created and nurtured along the way to a permanent Republican majority has now slipped their leash and now acts as if they, not the Roves of the world, ought to run the party and set its goals and pick its candidates.
Such impertinence is not appreciated.
To regain control, Rove and his allies have created a new front group, the Conservative Victory Fund, to siphon still more money from donors. This time, the money will be used to finance a war with the great unwashed within their own party and promote more electable (read: moderate and malleable) candidates. In effect, they seek to put their creature back on its leash, where it can be more useful to them.
“There is a broad concern about having blown a significant number of races because the wrong candidates were selected,” as Steven J. Law, president of Rove’s American Crossroads, told the New York Times.
And of course, those who identify as champions of the GOP grassroots aren’t happy either. They aren’t in the mood to listen to condescending lectures from fancy-dan consultants who spent hundreds of millions of other people’s money and got nothing for it, and now want to blame their failure on conservatives for being too conservative.
Matt Hoskins, executive director of the Senate Conservatives Fund, founded by former Sen. Jim DeMint, put it bluntly:
“The Conservative Defeat Project is yet another example of the Republican establishment’s hostility toward its conservative base. Rather than listening to the grassroots and working to advance their principles, the establishment has chosen to declare war on the party’s most loyal supporters. If they keep this up, the party will remain in the wilderness for decades to come.”
And as our friends over at RedState put it:
“American Crossroads is creating a new Super PAC to crush conservatives, destroy the tea party, and put a bunch of squishes in Republican leadership positions. …I dare say any candidate who gets this group’s support should be targeted for destruction by the conservative movement.”
Live by the sword, die by the sword, I suppose.
– Jay Bookman
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Joe Hussein Mama
February 5th, 2013
1:13 pm
R. Kcin — “Why do cons hate the constitution?”
Not enough jebus in it.
illyushin
February 5th, 2013
1:13 pm
scout – 12:50 “you have judged rightly”
And then he turns around and says “Judge not, lest ye be judged”
Just another New Testament contradiction.
Granny Godzilla
February 5th, 2013
1:14 pm
Matti
February 5th, 2013
12:53 pm
“Hey Doom, have you noticed there isn’t a single liberal poster on this board who EVER defends God? Not one. Ever.”
Does the Omnipotent need defending?
I believe in God. I just don’t believe arrogant, hateful, self-serving men when they ’splain God to me in the context of judging me or trying to run my life. See, believing what such a man says about God requires more than a belief in God; it requires a belief that such men actually (a) have the capacity to understand one as great as God, and (b) are capable of telling the truth if they knew it.
The faith required to believe such men is far greater than the faith required to believe that there is a being superior to mortal humans.
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BRAVA! BRAVA! BRAVA!
Those “men” made Mary Magdalene a whore……Disgusting.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
February 5th, 2013
1:14 pm
KEITH,
I don’t believe you. At 2.00 a bullet, you say you shoot 4,000.00 dollars worth of bullets every time you go shooting? Liar.
And I will buy more when the time comes. It’s the only way I can help stop the senseless violence. Buy bullets and destroy them. It just plain makes me feel good.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 5th, 2013
1:15 pm
Keith — “Who said i was a firearms ealer?”
Don’t know/ Who?
“One of your liberal buddies asked if I would sell an AK-47 to the crazy judge that liberals in Chicago keep reelecting. I said I wouldnt sell any guns to any liberal. AND I WOULDNT.”
And if you were a gun dealer and you refused to sell me another firearm for that stated reason, I would sue the living daylights out of you. And I’d win, too.
“You are too irresponsible.”
And you’re both ignorant and prejudiced. Many liberals own firearms. And more of us than you’d like to think about are quite *good* with them, too.
комисса́р (Occupation)
February 5th, 2013
1:16 pm
KEITH: “Liberals abmit to being unable to own weapons without hurting themselves. They think everyone else is like them so they want to ban them for all of us”
You’re big on this word “liberals” dude.
What does wanting to control gun access have to do with being a “liberal”?
It’s got nothing to do with it, really.
Jerome Horwitz
February 5th, 2013
1:16 pm
God and I are OK with each other. It’s people who claim to know what God thinks and force those beliefs on me that I have a problem with. You people are sad.
getalife
February 5th, 2013
1:18 pm
The President is speaking about the budget.
Pay attention cons.
Mama Says
February 5th, 2013
1:19 pm
Ok libs, dont get your hopes up. There is NO difference between todays GOP and todays Democratic Party (from a national party success point of view).
Jay would have a novice believe that only the GOP has super packs, large donors and internal struggles. Jay would also have all us forget that Romney, hardly a conservative in his approach, got 50 million votes.
Where was Jay when Obama was bribing every democratic senator in the country to get Obama Care passed ? Where was Jay when the conservative democrats held out against Obama on the abortion aspects of the very same bill, almost to the point of killing it ?
That certainly indicates internal strife. Where is Jay when The Congressional Black Caucus is publically critical of Obama ?
Where is Jay when Obama “caves” on high income taxes and the more liberal wing slams him for not standing up to the man (cons) ?
Where is Jay when Obama passes the exact same national security measures, which were a violation of our rights when Bush did it ?
For you Jay, to try to seperate the two parties based on the facts, and that they are, is partisanship at its height, you sir should run for office. You are nothing more than a modern day politician. Critical of every aspect the opposition has and blind to the faults of your own, you would fit right in. But then again your money comes from the role you fill obediantly doesn’t it ? The role of party propagandist spouting the party line in a national news outlet. Oh who is that who banters against the ‘FOX NEWS” mentality has he uses his piece of the media pie for the exact same purpose of party support ? Thats where the money is though isnt it Jay ? Enjoy your 6 figure job with 3 retirement packages (I believe you once said), the real poor and lower middle class will continue to follow your brainwashing, especially when the government, as you want it gives us all they can. but hey the good news is we may all get free Wi Fi in the future, at government expense that is. or should I say at the expense of the ones who are taxed, all 50% of us.
good day !
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
1:21 pm
Stevie Ray @ 1:06,
Well said. And I do hear ya on some of the dogma bit and the organized religion bit which I am very weary of myself. Unfortunately a lotta religious charlatans out there and especially amongst these prosperity preachers like Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar, etc. Why people follow these cotton candy preachers is beyond me.
I’m even suspicious of religion on a small scale. When I was a kid we went to a relgious camp for 2 weeks because the neighbors said it was a great camp to my parents. It was like a living hell. Instead of fishing, swimming, and all the other stuff you did at camp there was practically nothing to do. We had these church kinda brain washing services 2-3 times a day. The night session all the kids were guilted into coming down and accepting Christ and crying for all their sins and all that crap. It wasn’t about a loving God. It was about hellfire and brimstone and guilt and all that bullsheet. Even as a kid I knew that was bullsheet and it turned me away from God for a long, long time. But that’s all manmade crap and folks gotta get past the crap where men screw it up.
Mama Says
February 5th, 2013
1:21 pm
Budget ? you mean like the ones he has failed to propose for 4 of the 5 years ? or the one that every member of his on party voted against ?
skipper
February 5th, 2013
1:22 pm
AT LAST……..something joe hussein mamma and I agree on………I can split a frog-hair at twenty paces………………..
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 5th, 2013
1:22 pm
Some serious drive by BS.
getalife
February 5th, 2013
1:24 pm
2.5 trillion deficit drop so far.
4 trillion deal still on the table.
Wants tax reform for revenue.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 5th, 2013
1:27 pm
skipper — “AT LAST……..something joe hussein mamma and I agree on………I can split a frog-hair at twenty paces………………..”
I’m your man with a rifle. But I’m working on getting better with pistol and revolver. My shot groupings are a little wiggly when it comes to handguns.
My wife uses the shotgun.
Mad Max
February 5th, 2013
1:27 pm
Bookman, please name the GOP elected officials against Hurricane Sandy relief. Your confusion with people concerned about the ridiculous amount of pork in the relief package is classic Obama misdirection. Your insinuations are completely unfounded and part of the greater never ending Obama spin machine to distract from the important issues. How is the Obamacare implementation going? Are the numbers working out? How about Dodd-Frank? Are there still “too big to fail” institutions? How many rules from the legislation have been implemented? As a union puppet, is Obama going to create a bureaucratic committee loaded with union appointees to control immigrant workers? The court system is gradually unwinding the NLRB fiasco and the EPA is being reined in as well. With the head of the FCC proposing “free” wi-fi for all Americans, obviously, Obama is about to announce significant new taxes. Hey, it worked with the “free” phones for the election. The next step is probably a VAT tax. Grossly misunderstood by most Americans, the VAT is a politician’s dream allowing taxes up and down the supply chain without any accountability. Since Obama has already spent ALL of the revenues from the evil rich he campaigned on for four years, he has to find some new sources for his irresponsible spending. So I guess this is the new normal: never ending tax increases, regulation, complete disregard for any fiscal responsibility, historically high unemployment/underemployment, historically low GDP, constant adversarial attacks on equal branches of Government, mediocre cabinet appointments consisting only of maleable “yes men”, and finally, complete control of the main stream media by the White House. I suppose it is o.k. if you have no personal ambition and have set the same low standards for your children. Then, Obama’s “Life of Julia” is for you.
getalife
February 5th, 2013
1:28 pm
I shred targets with 90 round clips.
It gives you a rush.
Darwin
February 5th, 2013
1:29 pm
My heart aches for the GOP!
getalife
February 5th, 2013
1:30 pm
“please name the GOP elected officials against Hurricane Sandy relief”
Check the roll call con.
38 voted no
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
1:31 pm
“Actually, you need to stop misrepresenting the criticisms we have.”
Joe mama,
Nope. I think I represented the left’s criticisms just fine and if you still agree well than that’s just tough for you. This was your first error and from there you just engaged in meaningless sophistry. The rest of your post simply does not merit my attention.
mike
February 5th, 2013
1:32 pm
It is great to see the conserves continue their path of self-destruction. It is obvious they have learned nothing from this past election. I guess they only know what they are told by Hannity, Rove and all the others who are making money off these poor souls. I cant wait to see who runs for office in the next election. Hopefully they have another star studded cast like last election.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of him)
February 5th, 2013
1:32 pm
What exactly does this “god” look like that everyone is discussing?
Well, you got to go to Rome to see Him. And I ain’t talking about Georgia or the one in NY. This fella saw what he looked like and painted him on the ceiling of some church over there.
Anyhow, good to see Thelma Doom is about. I reckon he won’t be cheating many old ladies today. Every time I see him on here I think of what the head of the Sun Microsystems sales division wrote to his salesmen. Only the DL he put up was a bunch of nuns, not his salesmen: “I want you to get out there and sell your a$$ off. I’m sick of seeing people sit on their duffs when they could be out there making money.”
For some reason they got rid of the guy at Sun.
curious
February 5th, 2013
1:32 pm
Never heard of a .220 bullet. Are you referring to a .22? If so, they’re pretty cheap..
Getalfe shreds targets with a clip. Why buy bullets?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 5th, 2013
1:33 pm
this blog is a great reflection of the “stupidity” dominating the GOP party. I imagine that most of the moderate and intelligent “Rinos” have long since given up trying to stop the insanity.
getalife
February 5th, 2013
1:35 pm
“Why buy bullets?”
I bought a pallet .
Joe Hussein Mama
February 5th, 2013
1:35 pm
Doom — “Joe mama,
“Nope. I think”
Really? I hadn’t noticed.
No matter. Your concession and surrender on the point have been noted and are appreciated.
illyushin
February 5th, 2013
1:35 pm
Mad Max – 1:27
Please explain how Obama will achieve “complete control of the main stream media by the White House”.
Will this include Fox?
hamiltonAZ
February 5th, 2013
1:37 pm
In the words of conservative, but common sense Former Senator Lugar, “The United States cannot feed every person, lift every person out of poverty, cure every disease, or stop every conflict. But our power and status have conferred upon us a tremendous responsibility to humanity. ”
Just not sure the Richard Mourdocks will ever understand.
getalife
February 5th, 2013
1:38 pm
A student with a gun locked down three schools in Arizona.
moonbat betty
February 5th, 2013
1:38 pm
Corbin, glad to see you are buying up all those bullets.
Yesterday, I took a gallon jug down to the beach and filled it with ocean water to help stop the seas from rising.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 5th, 2013
1:39 pm
getalife — “I shred targets with 90 round clips.”
Assuming you’re being serious, I can’t imagine why. I never saw any value in those things.
“It gives you a rush.”
Why? Because you get more jams from those freakishly large mags?
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
1:39 pm
Always good to know I still get under Pencilneck convert’s skin. I was beginning to think the kook didn’t pine for my attention any more the way that garbage boy still does. Guess I was wrong.
getalife
February 5th, 2013
1:40 pm
I made a killing off the local cons scared to death that they would ban guns.
Easy money.
alex
February 5th, 2013
1:40 pm
“finance a war with the great unwashed..”Jay, it’s obvious that you are just trying to rabble rouse your syncophants..perhaps your salary reflects the number of hits on your blog and the last 2 ops have been boring.. and your trying t o find a way to pay for your next BBQ bachanalia ! Amusing stuff and if taken seriously would be provacative. Undoubtedly the repubs are in the throes of upheaval-which like a “set” fire in the west can be helpful. Lots of underbrush to clear..discussion is great and in the long run will help the party. Stagnation leads to decline :”Foundation Trilogy”. Quite a sucker punch, Jay..Granny and Danny and Jamvet and indigo and mike can now feel that their ignorant self serving bias has a basis in reality. Cicero,..Jay,…Cicero….
skipper
February 5th, 2013
1:40 pm
Joe Hussein Mamma,
Mine is more country-boy shootin’ than range shootin’, but I’m fair to middlin’ so they say. I just hate it that so many of the mentally unstable out there (many who were identified previously) have decided to “booger up” things for everybody. Ain’t no easy answers to this one, are there?
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
1:41 pm
Joe mama declaring victory and doing his faux victory dance. He looks like big bird dancing he do.
getalife
February 5th, 2013
1:41 pm
“Why? Because you get more jams from those freakishly large mags?”
Not mine but was sick of cleaning them so sold some for outrageous prices.
moonbat betty
February 5th, 2013
1:42 pm
“I shred targets with 90 round clips”
I’m kinda afraid to ask, but what do you use as targets, getalife?
Wabbits?
Granny Godzilla
February 5th, 2013
1:44 pm
Mama Says
February 5th, 2013
1:21 pm
Budget ? you mean like the ones he has failed to propose for 4 of the 5 years ? or the one that every member of his on party voted against ?
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.No we don’t mean any of those oft told lies.
Moderate Line
February 5th, 2013
1:44 pm
skipper
February 5th, 2013
1:05 pm
Moderate Line,
I know this is not a duel, but ‘Bro has put a double-barrel high-brass a$$ whoopin’ on your lame self today………if you are moderate, then I invite all on this blog to the march for celibacy to be led by Warren Beatty and Madonna this weekend.
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Whether or not he “whoop me” is not important to me. What is important to me is that a person was not given due process. When he was in the United States he was not tried because of a lack of evidence so when he is overseas we kill him with a drone.
If you have a problem with my argument state it. I really do not care about winning or losing.
Class of '98
February 5th, 2013
1:47 pm
It’s pathetic that Jay insists on stirring the racial pot by writing that the GOP “doesn’t seem all that friendly to their black friends either.”
It’s just pathetic that you stoop to such lows. I would expect more from a 10 year-old on a playground.
And Jay, you STILL look like Katherine Sebelius, except less masculine.
getalife
February 5th, 2013
1:48 pm
“I’m kinda afraid to ask, but what do you use as targets, getalife?”
We have a nice outdoor range.
Moderate Line
February 5th, 2013
1:48 pm
Moderate Line
February 5th, 2013
1:44 pm
skipper
February 5th, 2013
1:05 pm
Moderate Line,
I know this is not a duel, but ‘Bro has put a double-barrel high-brass a$$ whoopin’ on your lame self today………if you are moderate, then I invite all on this blog to the march for celibacy to be led by Warren Beatty and Madonna this weekend.
+++++
I don’t really care about scoring points but rather making a point.
Uh Huh...The GOP's CHICKENS are coming home to ROOST
February 5th, 2013
1:49 pm
@Mama Says
February 5th, 2013
1:19 pm
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Thank God you ain’t my mama.
This issue is not about Obama….. mama.
This is about the GOP’s CHICKENS coming home to ROOST.
COCKLE DOODLE DO
COCKLE DOODLE DO
COCKLE DOODLE DO
COCKLE DOODLE DO
Uh Huh
Regnad Kcin
February 5th, 2013
1:50 pm
” I would expect more from a 10 year-old on a playground.
And Jay, you STILL look like Katherine Sebelius, except less masculine.”
CO98, you owe me a new Irony Meter – your post above done overloaded mine!
Peadawg
February 5th, 2013
1:50 pm
“President Barack Obama will call on Tuesday for a short-term agreement to put off deep cuts to government spending, including the military, set to take effect next month, a senior administration official confirmed to CNN.”
Keep kickin’ the can down the road…
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
February 5th, 2013
1:50 pm
CURIOUS,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.220_Swift
Joe Hussein Mama
February 5th, 2013
1:51 pm
skipper — “Joe Hussein Mamma, Mine is more country-boy shootin’ than range shootin’
Nothing wrong with that. It’s how I learned. I just made sure not to mention it at boot camp. My uncles told me that the drill sergeants would take an extra-special interest in anyone who already knew how to shoot. And they were right; the country boys who owned up to it had drills breathing down their necks the whole time they were trying to qualify.
“decided to “booger up” things for everybody. Ain’t no easy answers to this one, are there?”
It’s a hard nut to crack, no two ways about it.
Regnad Kcin
February 5th, 2013
1:52 pm
skipper – you really seem to have hit a nerve with “moderate line” – he can’t stop thinking about you.
getalife
February 5th, 2013
1:52 pm
Pea,
Did you bother to listen to him today?
You just might learn something.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 5th, 2013
1:53 pm
getalife — “We have a nice outdoor range.”
Got some posts or cinderblocks or some such to put targets on, do you?
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
February 5th, 2013
1:53 pm
moonbat betty
February 5th, 2013
1:38 pm
Yeah, I know it’s not much, but if a bunch of people did it, we might both save lives and stop the ocean from rising…
alittlecommonsense
February 5th, 2013
1:54 pm
“That complaint epitomizes just how vapid the GOP has become in its opposition to all things Obama. We can’t stop a terrorist out in the field actively trying to do imminent harm to our country and its citizens just because he or she happens to somehow have American citizenship? Seriously? That’s your complaint? You want Anwar al-Awlaki, the guy who sent the Christmas airline bomber to this country, who pushed Major Hasan to kill fellow soldiers at Fort Hood, who became a regional commander for Al Qaida in Yemen, who encouraged others, including the Times Square bomber — you insist that he get “due process” before he is stopped?”
Excellent example of how Jay will excuse ANYTHING when Obama does it. Warrantless wiretapping – no way! Warrantless executions? Well that’s fine. As long as it’s done by a Democrat!
And no, this isn’t about “heat of the battle” issues. This is about targeting a specific American citizen in advance. No court of law, no warrant, no evidence required. This is hypocrasy at its finest. If you don’t like waterboarding, and warrantless wiretaps, yet you support this, you are a hypocrite. And that isn’t a word I use lightly.
skipper
February 5th, 2013
1:54 pm
Moderate Line,
When two folks have an argument, each usually presents his/her point. Since you have no point other than babbling and b.s. cry-babying (and I nor many others construe that as a point) then please; allow me!
I am an independent, not a repub or dem. These bast#rds are and were plotting against us, and terrorist attacks are for real. There is a difference between rounding up every ethnicity during a war, and snuffing out a scum-bag. Learn it, live it, its here. I, for one, admire the president for snuffing out these rodents who have no other cause or purpose except to kill. Even then, they let others do the dirty work, as besides being too sorry to do it they are too cowardly as well. And lastly, remember…..there are things the armed services and others know that they may not call you up and ask your pansy opinion on prior to taking action. These sob’s are not citizens……they are leacherous villians who need to go, and although I am not the prez’s biggest fan I gotta go with him on this one.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 5th, 2013
1:55 pm
getalife — “Not mine but was sick of cleaning them so sold some for outrageous prices.”
Were they all metal or the cheap-looking metal and plastic ones I’ve seen? The plastic ones look like they’d bust right open if you dropped them and they were any more than half loaded.
Class of '98
February 5th, 2013
1:55 pm
If Jay wants to get juvenile with his ad hominem attacks, I can go toe-to-toe, Regnad.
The front page of AJC.com currently has pics of celebrities that are doppelgangers. Sebelius and Bookman should’ve been included.
barking frog
February 5th, 2013
1:57 pm
Buy bullets and destroy them. It just plain makes me feel good.
……………………………………………………………………………………..
I once felt the same way about whisky.
Paul
February 5th, 2013
1:57 pm
Afternoon, Thulsa Doom
” Unfortunately a lotta religious charlatans out there and especially amongst these prosperity preachers like Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar, ”
You may want to rethink who to include in the ‘prosperity preacher’ category. Just because they are Prostestants on TV doesn’t make them a prosperity preacher.From what I’ve seen, Osteen is most unlike many televangelists. Saw on 60 minutes when he first took over the church he asked the board who had the best transparent financial reporting. The answer came, he asked ‘are we like that?” answer was ‘no’ and he said something to the effect of ‘we are, starting now and that’s the minimum standard.’
Once cite below, mirrors others I’ve read. Gets his money from his books, not the donations. No jet. Pays his way on the road. Lives in the same house he’s had for years. Never asks for money on his show. In fact, the guy’s a regular subject of criticism from the likes of the Baptist Theological Seminary up here in Dallas because he preaches a positive message of a loving God – not one who’s angry and punishes people and makes them rich.
I’ve listened to him – he sounds more like Unity or Religious Science/New Thought than anything. It’s all about being positive and not being downcast, angry or fearful. Y’know, a few people on this blog could stand to watch him….
http://askville.amazon.com/money-televangelist-joel-osteen-make-year/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=13423293
curious
February 5th, 2013
1:58 pm
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am…I think.
February 5th, 2013
1:50 pm
CURIOUS,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.220_Swift
They aren’t cheap either.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 5th, 2013
2:01 pm
Moderate Line
February 5th, 2013
1:44 pm
Warren Beatty: Bullworth..the movie that defines most of my politics..
St Simons - he-ne-ha
February 5th, 2013
2:02 pm
my great spirit doesn’t need defending
and I see there’s one less Republican voter in Midland City Ala heheh
yay big gubmint FBI. Watch out all you Timmy McVeigh wannbees
Bullseye
February 5th, 2013
2:03 pm
The only reason Corbin is buying .220 Swifts is that it is the only caliber not sold out.
getalife
February 5th, 2013
2:04 pm
President Obama will drone you.
Uh Huh...The GOP's CHICKENS are coming home to ROOST
February 5th, 2013
2:04 pm
@Class of ‘98
February 5th, 2013
1:47 pm
It’s pathetic that Jay insists on stirring the racial pot by writing that the GOP “doesn’t seem all that friendly to their black friends either.”
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
“stirring the racial pot?”
# ” / ^ ” * / # > ^ & < ^
Your words are like CHICKEN SCRATCH….hard to comprehend.
Paul
February 5th, 2013
2:06 pm
Moderate Line
If one accepts the war on terror (or whatever title one wants to use) is a war then rules of war apply. “Due process” is not a concept we’ve extended to the battlefield. As I read your scenario, a person like al-Awlaki would have to have a warrant issued for his apprehension, military couldn’t do it, law enforcement would, he’d have to be Mirandized, brought to trial within certain timelines, etc.
To put it in terms many of a certain era on this blog would understand.
You’re with 0311 and Recon and a few others on patrol in Vietnam. You see ahead of you a group on NVA coming right at you with an American in black pajamas and an NVA helmet walking point, carrying AK. According to what I’ve read of your posts, the Marines would have to withhold fire on the American and accord him due process of criminal law.
Also, I did not see where you answered my earlier question of ” the guy in the bunker, whom the authorities determined posed an imminent threat to the little boy, whose capture they felt was infeasible, so the authorities struck according to current legal practices: was that guy an American citizen killed without due process?
Plus, I haven’t seen where you’ve described this ‘due process’ in the circumstance under consideration.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
February 5th, 2013
2:06 pm
Bullseye
February 5th, 2013
2:03 pm
Nope, it’s because the Bushmaster uses them.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
February 5th, 2013
2:07 pm
how come liberals aren’t protesting Obama for all the women and children he has MURDERED using drones?
selective rage?????
Marty Huggins'
February 5th, 2013
2:07 pm
Wow,
I’m kinda late reading today but did Jay really say it was ok to assassinate an American citizen without due process?
I know it’s off topic and all bit that’s wrong.
It does not matter to me what any citizen is accused of there should be an attempt to apprehend and not just go out and execute.
Our rights should never be compromised out of fear. Was wrong when bush was doing it and wrong now when Obama is doing it.
curious
February 5th, 2013
2:08 pm
Seems to me that guy in the bunker was processed duly.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
February 5th, 2013
2:09 pm
UNCLE SAMANTHA
February 5th, 2013
2:07 pm
Are you protesting all the women and children murdered by suicide bombers, car bombs, and IED’s? Selective rage?
Uh Huh...The GOP's CHICKENS are coming home to ROOST
February 5th, 2013
2:11 pm
@getalife
February 5th, 2013
2:04 pm
President Obama will drone you.
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Obama has been PECKED to death by the Republican CHICKENHAWKS.
And he is STILL STANDING.
peck peck peck peck peck
skipper
February 5th, 2013
2:12 pm
@ Marty and Moderate:
Penalty bong-hits to each!!
getalife
February 5th, 2013
2:13 pm
Will he label cons a imminent threat and drone them legally?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 5th, 2013
2:13 pm
getalife
February 5th, 2013
1:24 pm
How has the deficit dropped $2.5 trillion?
Anyhow, I’d be careful putting too many eggs in the CBO basket.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/05/budget-deficit-trillion-cbo_n_2623910.html
A couple of takeaways. First spending will continue to increase under BO due to healthcare and entitlements. Second, estimates that unemployment will hover between 7.9% to over 8% as those who left market come back…in other words the benefit of those leaving workforce that was prime reason rate went below 8%, will work in reverse.
Of course this all assumes congress sticks to it’s spending agreements.
Where are all the spending cuts you suggest BO is holding hostage?
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
2:14 pm
Good afternoon Paul,
I probably shouldn’t lump him in there with Creflo and some others. But to me he does preach a sort of cotton candy type religion that seems to have a heavy emphasis on touchy feely good religion and the constant preaching about financial rewards for believing in God. I don’t see much in the way of teaching real Bible lessons and teaching about doctrines and some of the hard lessons of the bible. I saw that 60 minutes interview as well and I’ve seen Osteen on TV. Other than preaching that you will be monetarily blessed and rewarded by God for believing in him I just don’t see much substance from this guy. I like his positivity but there are some harsh lessons to also learn from the Bible. Not crazy about the fire and brimstone Baptist preachers either though.
As for paying his own way he flies first class with his wife. And the there was that matter of his wife’s nastiness on that one airline flight. She had to be physically restrained.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,399503,00.html
Simple Truths
February 5th, 2013
2:15 pm
I guess the GOP doesn’t have enough ire, so they have to budget where they direct it. The Democrats have plenty of ire to spare on the cause du jour.
getalife
February 5th, 2013
2:15 pm
“First spending will continue to increase under BO due to healthcare and entitlements.”
Wrong. You failed to listen to him.
Cuts will make unemployment rise so he wants to try to stop that fact.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
February 5th, 2013
2:16 pm
UN to investigate the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE winner OBAMA for killing civilians
http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/02/05/document-leaked-justifying-obama-administration-use-of-drones-to-kill-americans/
SHAME
SHAME
SHAME
Granny Godzilla
February 5th, 2013
2:17 pm
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022313410
A suggested memorial to Bush on the capital mall…..
Marty Huggins'
February 5th, 2013
2:17 pm
skipper
February 5th, 2013
2:12 pm
What?
Still work to do today. Too early for smoking
getalife
February 5th, 2013
2:17 pm
sam,
Shame on the gop for giving him that power.
Liberal Nightmare
February 5th, 2013
2:18 pm
Let me get this straight libs….
Torturing known terrorist for information – bad —- killing American citizens- ok.
Cool.
Uh Huh...The GOP's CHICKENS are coming home to ROOST
February 5th, 2013
2:18 pm
@UNCLE SAMANTHA
February 5th, 2013
2:07 pm
how come liberals aren’t protesting Obama for all the women and children he has MURDERED using drones?
selective rage?????
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How come CONS aren’t protesting for all the women and children MURDERED
by guns in the U. S.?
How come CONS aren’t protesting for all the children who die because
of HUNGER in the U. S.?
How come CONS aren’t protesting for all the children who are molested
by catholic priests in the U. S.?
How come CONS aren’t protesting for all the senior citizens that are starving
in the U. S.?
selective rage?????
Uh Huh
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 5th, 2013
2:19 pm
Uh Huh…The GOP’s CHICKENS are coming home to ROOST
February 5th, 2013
2:11 pm
Hmmm. It is likely BO will not need pecking by his opponents to economically trip up second term. Economists remain in disagreement as to what is store..
Way to many variables at this point that could affect precarious situation. Additional debt, unemployment/double dip recession, debt service rate increase, EU performance, unbudgeted yet reasonably expected soaring costs above and beyond ever imagined by PelosiCare..
Second term seems to be a real charm to recents..I’m not expecting much different for BO..blame whomever you want but DEM one-size-fits-all economic dogma may be his downfall..
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
2:19 pm
Uncle Samantha,
Dontcha know.
Drone bombing women and children under Bush = bad
Drone bombing women and children under Obama = good
Marty Huggins'
February 5th, 2013
2:20 pm
getalife
February 5th, 2013
2:17 pm
Agreed and shame on Obama for abusing the power.
комисса́р (Occupation)
February 5th, 2013
2:20 pm
Uncle Samantha: “how come liberals aren’t protesting Obama for all the women and children he has MURDERED using drones? / selective rage?????”
In a word: yes.
Oscar
February 5th, 2013
2:21 pm
Read the polls. Listen to the people. Talk to the hand.
Out of step with the majority means trouble winning statewide and national elections.
Uh Huh...The GOP's CHICKENS are coming home to ROOST
February 5th, 2013
2:21 pm
@UNCLE SAMANTHA
February 5th, 2013
2:16 pm
UN to investigate the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE winner OBAMA for killing civilians
http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/02/05/document-leaked-justifying-obama-administration-use-of-drones-to-kill-americans/
SHAME
SHAME
SHAME
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While they are at it……….
Investigate George W Bush for american soliders that were killed because
of HIS BIG FAT LIE……..WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.
selective rage?????
Moderate Line
February 5th, 2013
2:22 pm
skipper
February 5th, 2013
1:54 pm
Moderate Line,
When two folks have an argument, each usually presents his/her point. Since you have no point other than babbling and b.s. cry-babying (and I nor many others construe that as a point) then please; allow me!
I am an independent, not a repub or dem. These bast#rds are and were plotting against us, and terrorist attacks are for real. There is a difference between rounding up every ethnicity during a war, and snuffing out a scum-bag. Learn it, live it, its here. I, for one, admire the president for snuffing out these rodents who have no other cause or purpose except to kill. Even then, they let others do the dirty work, as besides being too sorry to do it they are too cowardly as well. And lastly, remember…..there are things the armed services and others know that they may not call you up and ask your pansy opinion on prior to taking action. These sob’s are not citizens……they are leacherous villians who need to go, and although I am not the prez’s biggest fan I gotta go with him on this one.
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If personal attacks make you the winner then yes you win. ie. babbling and b.s. cry-babying, your pansy opinion I believe everyone has a right to their opinion.
First I voted for Obama so I believe if anyone should have a beef with my moderate credentials it should be the right.
Second, These sob’s are not citizens, Al-Awlaki was a US citizen and so was his 16 year son killed by an attack. It is hard to beat someone in an argument when one side does not let the truth get in their way. Chargers were drop against him in FT Hood because a lack of evidence. Now does that mean he is innocent. Not really. I feel pretty confident he is.
There is a difference between rounding up every ethnicity during a war, and snuffing out a scum-bag Where did I say they were the same? I merely mention this is proof that just because someone was not impeach did not mean they were not guilty of violating the constitution.
there are things the armed services and others know that they may not call you up and ask your pansy opinion on prior to taking action I am pretty confident they will not call me at all nor should they.
So basically bro whoop me because you disagree with me. Your opinion was formed prior to any exchange between myself and bro. So if disagreeing with you means I lost then I guess I lost. But I really don’t care.
Oscar
February 5th, 2013
2:22 pm
Komm – In two words – B S
Paul
February 5th, 2013
2:22 pm
Thulsa
Hey, if I was making that kind of money I’d be flying first class all the time, too! As far as the wife incident, my recollection is the later story development (which, strangely, wasn’t on the front page) was that other passengers said ‘all I can say is, that isn’t what I saw.” But even if it did play out that way, my view of religion is it’s a way to guide people on a path. They may fall off occasionally, but the point is to get back on, make amends and try to not do it again.
I suppose I like listening to a guy who says ‘look, life can be hard, terrible things can happen, but don’t walk away from goodness. Don’t let your attitude go south.”
You may look at it as cotton candy religion, but frankly, as I read the New Testament, I’d say Osteen’s style is a whole lot closer to what Jesus said than these fire-and-brimstone types.
Which is why I like ‘to each his own. If it works for you, fine.”
Okay, Thulsa, get ready for a couple of the regulars to show up, read our exchange, and tell us both how God isn’t happy with either one of us!
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 5th, 2013
2:23 pm
Uh Huh…The GOP’s CHICKENS are coming home to ROOST
February 5th, 2013
2:18 pm
Really? Who exactly is protesting against all those who you suggest?
Catholic rape, seniors starving, children starving..a bit dramatic don’t you think especially given the gov’t can’t do anything about first and has throwed good and significant money at the last 2..
The only ones really protesting are the dopes on the left blaming the rich for all ills, and the dopes on the right who are tea bagging.
комисса́р (Occupation)
February 5th, 2013
2:23 pm
Uncle Samantha : “how come liberals aren’t protesting Obama for all the women and children he has MURDERED using drones? ”
Because they have either sold out (98% of the MSNBC crew) or they never were very principled about their outrage under Bush in the first place, but were just opportunistic. Of all of these characters, Sharpton has to be about the worst.
getalife
February 5th, 2013
2:23 pm
“Agreed and shame on Obama for abusing the power.”
Name one time Presidents gave back power.
He is not abusing the power unless you are a aq lover.
Marty Huggins'
February 5th, 2013
2:25 pm
Uh Huh…The GOP’s CHICKENS are coming home to ROOST
February 5th, 2013
2:18 pm
Seems you are projecting what you think about people to be actual fact.
With the guns example you used.
You don’t seem to understand most if not all “Cons” protest and disagree with those who kill women and children with guns. They just don’t protest the gun!
See the drone is the gun in this case and Obama is the one making the decision that ultimately kills women and children.
Now do you protest him for that along with the gun shooting murderer of women and children or are you using your selective outrage?
curious
February 5th, 2013
2:25 pm
The Republican field to replace Saxby is getting smaller.
Anybody want to make the case for Paul Broun to replace him?
getalife
February 5th, 2013
2:25 pm
You cons gave him that power and no you cry about it.
And you wonder why your party is a massive failure?
Man up and deal with the power YOU gave him and shut up.
Uh Huh...The GOP's CHICKENS are coming home to ROOST
February 5th, 2013
2:26 pm
@комисса́р (Occupation)
February 5th, 2013
2:20 pm
Uncle Samantha: “how come liberals aren’t protesting Obama for all the women and children he has MURDERED using drones? / selective rage?????”
In a word: yes.
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“Yes?”
In a word: BS
Oscar
February 5th, 2013
2:26 pm
Chickens coming home to roost. Yum – fried chicken. Or maybe tastes more like crow. Fried crow.