GOP’s ire, once directed at Obama, now turns inward
There’s a lot of unhappiness out there.
For example, the Wall Street types who financed the GOP’s 2012 campaign, donating hundreds of millions of dollars to the party as well as to the SuperPACs run by Karl Rove and others, are not a happy lot.
They are unhappy because they got little or nothing for their investment; they are unhappy with the GOP’s deep reluctance to come to the aid of Hurricane Sandy victims in the Northeast; and as the Manhattan elite, they are unhappy about financing a party that picks on their gay friends and their Muslim friends and doesn’t seem all that friendly to their black friends either.
Rove and his buddies in the GOP political establishment are also very, very unhappy. They are unhappy because their deep-pocket donors are unhappy. They’re unhappy because the deeply conservative base that they created and nurtured along the way to a permanent Republican majority has now slipped their leash and now acts as if they, not the Roves of the world, ought to run the party and set its goals and pick its candidates.
Such impertinence is not appreciated.
To regain control, Rove and his allies have created a new front group, the Conservative Victory Fund, to siphon still more money from donors. This time, the money will be used to finance a war with the great unwashed within their own party and promote more electable (read: moderate and malleable) candidates. In effect, they seek to put their creature back on its leash, where it can be more useful to them.
“There is a broad concern about having blown a significant number of races because the wrong candidates were selected,” as Steven J. Law, president of Rove’s American Crossroads, told the New York Times.
And of course, those who identify as champions of the GOP grassroots aren’t happy either. They aren’t in the mood to listen to condescending lectures from fancy-dan consultants who spent hundreds of millions of other people’s money and got nothing for it, and now want to blame their failure on conservatives for being too conservative.
Matt Hoskins, executive director of the Senate Conservatives Fund, founded by former Sen. Jim DeMint, put it bluntly:
“The Conservative Defeat Project is yet another example of the Republican establishment’s hostility toward its conservative base. Rather than listening to the grassroots and working to advance their principles, the establishment has chosen to declare war on the party’s most loyal supporters. If they keep this up, the party will remain in the wilderness for decades to come.”
And as our friends over at RedState put it:
“American Crossroads is creating a new Super PAC to crush conservatives, destroy the tea party, and put a bunch of squishes in Republican leadership positions. …I dare say any candidate who gets this group’s support should be targeted for destruction by the conservative movement.”
Live by the sword, die by the sword, I suppose.
– Jay Bookman
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Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 5th, 2013
12:17 pm
Frankly Thulsa I have engaged you in the past.
I wont make that mistake again.
You are frankly not my equal and not worth my time.
Ill take my leave of you now.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 5th, 2013
12:19 pm
Too late… I already own several guns. Thanks for the advice though.
Please for all of our safety turn them into the police today.
Ill give you a ride if you need one.
Aquagirl
February 5th, 2013
12:19 pm
Are you really asking to have this distinction explained to you?
Of course he’s asking….Trolls are always hungry.
Escaped from Email Purgatory
February 5th, 2013
12:19 pm
Yep. Losing to an incumbent President with as sorry a record as Obama’s will cause you to rethink your paradigm.
It doesn’t take a heckuva lot to make some people happy. The GOP is in disarray! Yeeeehaaa!
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
12:21 pm
Joe Mama,
I see the difference quite clearly. What I’m pointing out is that in post after post over the past years libs on here have constantly criticized W for “getting us involved in 2 wars”. So ya’ll need to make up your minds. Is the Afgh war the “good, just” war or not? And if it was the “good, just” war then why the repeated complaints over the years from libs about W getting us involved in 2 wars if one of them was supposedly the good war. Seems cheesy and regnad are trying to have it both ways.
RB from Gwinnett
February 5th, 2013
12:21 pm
Hey Doom, have you noticed there isn’t a single liberal poster on this board who EVER defends God? Not one. Ever.
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 5th, 2013
12:21 pm
Brosephus™
February 5th, 2013
12:15 pm
Something to think about.
You sons and their offspring will last far longer than any corrupt State.
.
For the sake of decency…………………Please do not buy any guns.
Something went wrong.
Too late… I already own several guns. Thanks for the advice though.
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I pray for your offspring who might……………………..be agaisnt…………………the State.
(or whomever Axelrod , Obama,Karl Rove, or Goldman Saches……. chooses).;
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Seig Heil!
GT
February 5th, 2013
12:22 pm
So Ann Coulter is not a bigot, who knew? I was wondering why it was not in the news here. Kind of like that Supreme Court decision on Obamacare, with FOX, should have check it out first.
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
12:22 pm
“Trolls are always hungry.”
Which is why Aquasilly comes on every day to get her daily helping of raw red meat for the kooks.
комисса́р (Occupation)
February 5th, 2013
12:22 pm
RB from Gwinnett: “When are the few Christians left in the Democrat party going to wake up and realize the majority of their party hates their religion?”
Jay’s leanings are avowedly pro-Democratic. And the Democratic party is a war-happy party. So, I guess it’s fairly consistent.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 5th, 2013
12:23 pm
THULSA,
Also there has been intense political pressure lately but apparently, the criminal filings against those in Wall Street and Telecom promised by BO were not fulfilled in first term.
Heck, Goldman Sachs sold the packaged deals to clients then bet against them knowing the subject packages were toxic…Too bad Goldman controls all branches of our government including BO..
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 5th, 2013
12:24 pm
Their own father.
Aquagirl
February 5th, 2013
12:25 pm
there isn’t a single liberal poster on this board who EVER defends God?
We’re too lazy to reach across the table and smack someone in the face. There’s also that whole table-manners thing.
Cherokee
February 5th, 2013
12:26 pm
God is doing just fine on His own, RB – it’s his so called followers who frighten sensible people.
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 5th, 2013
12:27 pm
a heartfelt ……sigh……………for decency and compassion.
.
A……. hurrah………. for Darwinism.
the dog
February 5th, 2013
12:27 pm
Trolls for Jeebus has a certain ring to do does it not?
stands for decibels
February 5th, 2013
12:27 pm
there isn’t a single liberal poster on this board who EVER defends God?
I think you have God confused with Tinkerbell.
Moderate Line
February 5th, 2013
12:28 pm
Jay
February 5th, 2013
10:09 am
“The statement is false. Securities and Investment ranks is the second largest contributor to Republicans. Also note that it was 10th for Dems. The total for Rep was $24 million and for Dems was 6 million.”
No, Moderate. The statement is true.
First of all, the numbers that you cite include only direct donations to presidential campaigns. They do not include donations to the parties themselves, to Senate campaigns, to House campaigns and most importantly, secret donations to SuperPACS, such as Rove’s, that spent hundreds of millions.
You also point out that “securities and investment” ranked as only the second most generous category to Mitt Romney’s campaign, implying I was wrong because it wasn’t listed first. It wasn’t first only because the largest category was “retired.”
Among interest groups, S&I was easily the most generous to Romney in raw numbers. In relative numbers, that industry gave four times as much to Romney as to Obama.
“Miscellaneous Finance” also gave almost four to one to Romney. Oil and gas gave nine times as much to Romney; hedge funds and private equity gave to Romney by five to one.
Again, my statement is accurate.
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“Secret donations to SuperPACS.” You don’t have your A game today. If they are secret how do you know where they are coming from. And you have the nerve to call other peoples statements ludicrous.
The Dems racked up 32% from “Finance/Insurance/Real Estate” to the Republicans 68%.
It is not listed first because “retired” is list first. Well usually when something is not first it is because something else is first. I will give you the firm grasp of the obvious award on that. I contend that retired finance the Republicans. At least it is first. There is more support of that statements. Also, maybe “secret donations” from the aviation industry supported Republicans.
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/totals.php?cycle=2012&ind=F
JamVet
February 5th, 2013
12:29 pm
The concept of god can be useful.
But religious dogma with it’s saviors and circles of hell where unbelievers are tortured forever? It is little more than institutionalized insanity.
And as a method of human redemption…. useless.
/drive by/
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 5th, 2013
12:30 pm
So being frightened of guns, after hearing about all the concern I should have about 4-5 masked gunmen breaking into my home, undoubtedly to steal my original PRS 24 fret guitar, I decided I best protect myself and guitar…so I bought an automatic weapon..
No background check or waiting period..
It’s called a supersoaker and it is filled with human uring and resides at bedside at all times…Oh the comfort it provides..
комисса́р (Occupation)
February 5th, 2013
12:30 pm
RB from Gwinnett: “there isn’t a single liberal poster on this board who EVER defends God”
Only an atheist can truly defend God.
Because only an atheist has truly plumbed his nothingness.
Brosephus™
February 5th, 2013
12:30 pm
Stevie Ray: Assigning fault IMO is not helpful. The warmongering and arrogant nature of our culture as shaped and furthered by all administrations is the root cause.
If I remember correctly, our actions against the training camps in Afghanistan were a response to being attacked on 9/11 in NYC. As the Secretary of Defense, Rumsfeld was the top of the chain of command when it came to planning a military response to that attack. We should have wiped the training camps off the face of the earth and left the country. Such a plan would not have us in Afghanistan 10 years later. The Sec. of Def failed miserably IMHO, and the blame is justly qualified to place on his shoulders for that.
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Moderate Line: You can’t claim you are defending something you are ignoring. He was in the US until 2002 and in the UK until 2004.
And just because you’re an American, you can’t go spouting off crap and supporting people who are trying to kill your own countrymen without some kind of response. You can claim he’s ignoring the Constitution, but if he were actually doing such, he would have already been impeached, right? Claiming something doesn’t make it fact. Publishing anti-American propaganda within the confines of a terrorist organization doesn’t help your cause if you’re trying to claim American citizenship.
As for his 16 year old son, you learn very quickly in the hood to be careful of the company you keep. I’m still alive today because I didn’t hang with people that were most likely to end up dead in a shootout or stabbing, even if that meant staying away from family. At some point, you have to own up to your own actions and quit hiding behind the idea of being ignorant to what’s going on around you. I feel bad for the loss of their child, but at the same time, had he been in America or somewhere where Americans are not plotting to kill Americans, he would likely still be alive today.
Moderate Line
February 5th, 2013
12:31 pm
Brosephus™
February 5th, 2013
11:53 am
Stevie Ray: I have a problem with the drones inasmuch as we really don’t know how successful they are at getting the bad guys and if the collateral damage near and long term are worth it.
I wonder and worry about collateral damage as well until I recall something said by Gen. William T. Sherman. “War is hell!”
If it were my decision to make, we would have never needed the drones as I would have had B2’s, B52’s, and any other aircraft capable of dropping ordinance flying over the terrorist training camps within hours of them claiming credit for 9/11. I would have turned every bit of sand over there into glass just to show terrorists that the US is the wrong country to mess with.
If you wanna fault somebody, fault Rumsfeld as he’s the one that set us down this path with a f**ked up battle plan.
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So you really don’t have problem killing innocent children. Make up your mind.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 5th, 2013
12:31 pm
JamVet
February 5th, 2013
12:29 pm
What exactly does this “god” look like that everyone is discussing?
Frederick Douglass
February 5th, 2013
12:32 pm
RB from Gwinnett @ 10:04 am
Some of these gun related tragedies could be curtailed if certain parents would keep an eye on little Thomas Ethan Hedgeworth III and stop protecting him when they know he’s bonkers, and stop focusing on what Quintavious Watkins is up to in the hood.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 5th, 2013
12:33 pm
What exactly does this “god” look like that everyone is discussing?’
Think white robes. A man. Certainly white. White hair
Floating around in the clouds granting wishes to those that wish hard enough.
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
12:33 pm
“Too bad Goldman controls all branches of our government including BO..”
Goldman was in fact Obama’s single largest campaign contributor in 08- a fact lost on most Dems. To be fair though Wall St. has been corrupting both parties for a long time.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 5th, 2013
12:34 pm
Aquagirl, it them scummy trolls used the straw men they are always creating, you would think they would be full of something more than excrement.
Regnad Kcin
February 5th, 2013
12:34 pm
“how do you guys explain the numerous posts over the years on here from Dim posters?”
Mr. Doom, don’t you think it’s silly to ask me to explain positions you acknowlege I do not hold? You’re very silly, sometimes.
stands for decibels
February 5th, 2013
12:34 pm
What exactly does this “god” look like that everyone is discussing?
Depends on who you ask, I guess. It would appear that RB’s Supreme Being is lacking in self esteem and needs to win a trophy for showing up.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 5th, 2013
12:35 pm
Doom — “I see the difference quite clearly.”
I don’t think you do. It’s quite clear to me that you’re conflating two different criticisms.
“What I’m pointing out is that in post after post over the past years libs on here have constantly criticized W for “getting us involved in 2 wars”. So ya’ll need to make up your minds.”
Actually, you need to stop misrepresenting the criticisms we have.
“Is the Afgh war the “good, just” war or not?”
IMO, yes.
“And if it was the “good, just” war then why the repeated complaints over the years from libs about W getting us involved in 2 wars if one of them was supposedly the good war.”
Again, you’re conflating two different criticisms.
Criticism #1: Just or Unjust
Criticism #2: Paid for on-budget, or paid for off-budget
Both wars fail Criticism #2, having been paid for off-budget. Criticizing either one (or both) is perfectly justified on this score, and is supported by documentation (e.g. Emergency Supplemental spending measures authorized by Congress).
However, many of us (I won’t say most as there are Democrats who are opposed to both wars) *also* criticize Iraq as being an unjust war. Saddam Hussein had, by the time we invaded, allowed UN inspectors free access to wherever they wanted to go. He turned out not to be hiding any of the items or programs we had accused him of, and in several cases, stuff we supposedly “found” has been found after we removed UN inspectors’ seals — meaning that even if we weren’t aware of it, the UN was. In short, the main reason we were given for the invasion turned out to be wrong. You can blame whoever you want to for that, but facts are facts; he didn’t have anything we thought he did.
You seem to be upset that many of us give Afghanistan a pass on the Just/Unjust argument but that we still come down on it for being off-budget.
Shrug. What are you looking for here? Something to agree with? It’s a matter of historical fact that neither war was paid for on-budget. And it’s a matter of historical fact that OBL was hiding out in Afghanistan on or around 9/11.
“Seems cheesy and regnad are trying to have it both ways.”
No, there’s just a distinction there that you’re not getting. Whether you’re willingly or unintentionally conflating the two, I don’t know.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 5th, 2013
12:35 pm
Brosephus™
February 5th, 2013
12:30 pm
That’s all good an well and you can lay blame if that is important to you…I’m wondering how many Koreans or Vietnamese innocents were wiped out per bad guy?
I’m not sure how many training camps we blew up and certainly have no problem with that, but seems once we ran out of such obvious targets, the collateral damage soared.
For the record, I do support whatever torture is needed if it is to directly protect our shores….medivel…whatever.
getalife
February 5th, 2013
12:36 pm
You have the gop establishment vs their con base.
Let their civil war rage.
Let the gop disband again.
It is a worthless party for the majority of the American people.
Regnad Kcin
February 5th, 2013
12:36 pm
“Hey Doom, have you noticed there isn’t a single liberal poster on this board who EVER defends God? Not one. Ever”
RB, why do you think god needs your defense?
illyushin
February 5th, 2013
12:37 pm
Doom – 12:21
Neither of these wars should have happened. Bush made a half-hearted attempt to get Bin Laden in Afghanistan and only succeeded in getting us bogged down in an unwinnable war. In Iraq, he attempted to fulfill Bible prophecy and only managed to cause us to lose large amounts of blood and treasure.
He did a credit card kind of finance for these wars insuring that neither Obama or any other President will be able to bring down the debt and that this and future generations will be saddled with the bill.
All in all, far and away the worst President in US history.
RB from Gwinnett
February 5th, 2013
12:37 pm
What do you suppose the gun haters of 300 years ago ate for dinner in this country?
And what happened to the liberals of that day when there was no government handout to feed them? Do you think they got off their arse and worked for their own survival or did they cul themselves from the herd?
Joe Hussein Mama
February 5th, 2013
12:38 pm
S. Ray — “Too bad Goldman controls all branches of our government including BO.”
The three branches of government:
Money
Television
Bulls**t
– P. J. O’Rourke
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 5th, 2013
12:38 pm
Sure are a lot of “lost” facts posted by the birthers, dawners, skeeters, and ODS’ers. the clownish who claim conspiracies without evidence “because they know” love to claim “facts lost” out of context
captguitarman
February 5th, 2013
12:38 pm
Wow! I thought the full moon occurred last week. Quite a few “interesting” posts today. The seeds of Rove’s new organization were planted in 2010 when Christine O’Donnell, backed by the Tea Party, won the Pub/Con nomination, pushing their shoo-in candidate for the Senate seat out of the picture. After a “brilliant” campaign performance, O’Donnell lost the seat. And a good chance at knocking off Reid was lost in Nevada because of another “brilliant” performance by a Tea Party candidate. Then 2012 happened, and despite the 3% + “mandate” won by Obama, the Pub/Cons would have retained Lugar’s senate seat (the ditching of Lugar caused big alarm bells to go off in traditional Pub/Con land) and with a good candidate, would have won a seat in Missouri. Unfortunately, two more “brilliant” campaign performances were turned in by the Tea Party candidates, and both seats were lost.
And, while all that was going on, from early 2012 up until the convention, Mitt Romney had to crawl through fire on his hands and knees through broken glass “debating” again and again with a completely underwhelming group of would be presidential nominees, who had no prayer of getting the nomination, but thought it was pretty cool to be running for president and getting all that attention for every goofy idea they could come up with, and making Romney deal with it. Many of the debates were more comical than anything else. Luckily, only one of the female nitwits ran while the other one went back to Alaska, or it would have been even worse. Meanwhile, Obama sat and waited, licking his chops.
This has to be fixed some how. It will not be easy, and it may be ugly, and it may take some time. It is good that it is at least now being addressed by traditional Pub/Cons. The Dem/Libs went through this back when the loony left hijacked the party under McGovern, and it was not until Bill Clinton showed up that the ship was fully righted. Whether the “We would rather be “right” than win elections and participate and compromise, and actually influence the political process” Tea Party/Libertarians and right wingnuts can be persuaded to change gears or not, and how soon, remains to be seen.
The “wild card” is that feeling their oats, the Dem/Libs will push ahead with Obama’s left wing manifesto, as outlined during the inauguration speech. He only won the election by 3% + so there will be some tough sledding to impose it. If those policies, particularly the center piece that no entitlement will suffer or be reformed or reduced, including he new Mother of All Entitlements now taking effect, regardless of how large the debt grows and he annual deficits grow, there could be a day or economic reckoning that will change everything. The next Dem/Lib candidate will not get a free pass on the economy and unemployment like Obama did.
комисса́р (Occupation)
February 5th, 2013
12:39 pm
Stevie Ray: “For the record, I do support whatever torture is needed if it is to directly protect our shores….medivel…whatever.”
Then you might as well support it all of the time.
Aquagirl
February 5th, 2013
12:39 pm
No, there’s just a distinction there that you’re not getting. Whether you’re willingly or unintentionally conflating the two, I don’t know.
Oh it’s entirely unintentional of course and if you can just ’splain it all Doomy would be ever so grateful.
illyushin
February 5th, 2013
12:40 pm
RB
Maybe when you can furnish us testable evidence that a God exists,
we might consider defending Him/Her.
getalife
February 5th, 2013
12:40 pm
rb,
It is 2013.
Join the real world con.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 5th, 2013
12:40 pm
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 5th, 2013
12:33 pm
Always an interesting question to pose when I’m asked if I believe in such…
stands for decibels
February 5th, 2013
12:34 pm
Classic! Arrogance is often the result of individual or group lack of self esteem. The social threats to organized religion are very scary to many. That being said…I’m equally as scared of those evangelicals who continue to keep ancient life alive…
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
12:41 pm
RB from Gwinnett
February 5th, 2013
12:21 pm
Hey Doom, have you noticed there isn’t a single liberal poster on this board who EVER defends God? Not one. Ever.
RB,
I think you set them up and they went for the bait cause they’re certainly proving your point with all the posts mocking God. They’re like trained seals. Kinda sad though to see so many of them so hateful towards God. No wonder they have so much hate on here everyday. They even hate God. This is just sad.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 5th, 2013
12:42 pm
RB — “And what happened to the liberals of that day”
Just FYI, RB, the “liberals of that day” were the ones coming up with the radical notion of government Of The People, By The People and For The People.
The *conservatives* of that day were too busy kissing the King’s patootie to notice what the libs were doing until it was too late.
On behalf of libs everywhere, past and present, you’re welcome.
Regnad Kcin
February 5th, 2013
12:42 pm
“Joe Hussein Mama
February 5th, 2013
12:35 pm’
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Thanks, JHM – you saved me from having to do a similar post.
I think Mr. Doom knows all that, though – he just likes to see if he can score points by baffling folks, instead of by having a real point.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that…
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 5th, 2013
12:42 pm
комисса́р (Occupation)
February 5th, 2013
12:39 pm
Nope, our shores are not directly threatened by many of those subject to it…look a Abugrabe (sp?)….
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
February 5th, 2013
12:43 pm
RB,
I’ve stated many times on this blog that I believe there’s a God/creator responsible for all of this. What I have never defended and will spend my life trying to tear down is “religion”. Religion is an unnecessary by product of man trying to define and shape God to his own will. Religions of all stripe are teachers of intolerance and narrow thinking. There is nothing about religion that is good for the human race. You do not need religion to worship God. In fact, going directly to the source has always worked for me. Remember that your own Bible warns about putting yourself above God.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 5th, 2013
12:43 pm
And what happened to the liberals of that day when there was no government handout to feed them? Do you think they got off their arse and worked for their own survival or did they cul themselves from the herd?
Im a liberal. The founding fathers were liberals.
I dont get any handout from the government
Do you ?
Buzz Belle
February 5th, 2013
12:43 pm
JHM – 12:35
I am a democrat and yes, you have summarized my feelings on both wars, EXACTLY. I also beleive that most democrats would agree with your answer to Thulsa Doom. The questions is, will Thulsa Doom understand it?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 5th, 2013
12:44 pm
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
12:41 pm
What is your definition of God if you care to share it? Something traditional of more personal?
Get Real
February 5th, 2013
12:44 pm
Here’s hoping there is anything left after 4 more years now that Obama has completely come out of the liberal/progressive closet…like there was ever a doubt
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
12:44 pm
“I’m equally as scared of those evangelicals who continue to keep ancient life alive…”
So what’s so scary about evangelicals? Is there a fear that they are going to handcuff people and drag them kicking and screaming to church?
the dog
February 5th, 2013
12:44 pm
God is disappointed in so many people today, she is especially critical of RB, td, doomy, etc. Poor God.
Prove otherwise.
Moderate Line
February 5th, 2013
12:45 pm
Brosephus™
February 5th, 2013
12:30 pm
As for his 16 year old son, you learn very quickly in the hood to be careful of the company you keep.
Your right so a high ranking intelligence official has the right to kill you based on who you hang out with. And just because you’re an American, you can’t go spouting off crap and supporting people who are trying to kill your own countrymen without some kind of response.
Well maybe your right. I thought I could because the constitution protected speech but maybe that right is suspended as soon as go to a foreign country with no extradition treaty.
You can claim he’s ignoring the Constitution, but if he were actually doing such, he would have already been impeached, right?
Not really. Congress is not going to impeach anyone. Only two presidents have been impeach. Are you going to tell me Roosevelt rounding the Japanese Americans was constitution because he didn’t get impeach. Or that Jackson’s action against the Cherokee’s was constitutional because he was not impeached.
Publishing anti-American propaganda within the confines of a terrorist organization doesn’t help your cause if you’re trying to claim American citizenship.
He did not claim it. He was an American citizen.
I feel bad for the loss of their child, but at the same time, had he been in America or somewhere where Americans are not plotting to kill Americans, he would likely still be alive today.
So your argument is if someone like yourself was just waking to the store and there was a drive by and you got shot when you were 16 it would be your fault and should not care because I was not in the hood and you should have left.
комисса́р (Occupation)
February 5th, 2013
12:46 pm
captguitarman:
“The “wild card” is that feeling their oats, the Dem/Libs will push ahead with Obama’s left wing manifesto, as outlined during the inauguration speech”
Wait, you just got through saying that the Democratic party had ‘recovered’ from its takeover by the ‘loony left’ under McGovern and that its recovery happened under Bill Clinton. But Barack Obama “out-Clintons” Bill Clinton every morning 500 times before he even makes it out for his daily jog. So that’s not making much sense.
How can Barack Obama, who is the living embodiment, the culmination and absolute triumph, of every conceivable anti-McGovernite tendency in the Democratic party, have a “left wing manifesto” in anything but vague rhetorical gestures?
MANGLER
February 5th, 2013
12:46 pm
When others feel disenfranchised or under represented from the parties in power, they form new parties with new identities. Rove and the like talk down of such 3rd tier parties, and yet here he is doing just that, again! At least other people are decent enough to give the fledgling parties new names and identities. He’s just recycling the name GOP and fracturing his own party. If he truly wants to distance himself and his funds from those he doesn’t like in the GOP, then he should start a new party. Name suggestions?
liberal hack
February 5th, 2013
12:46 pm
Captguitar man, I disagree, Obama ran on a progressive gov’t agenda favored by McGovern, expand the role of gov’t and increase taxes on the wealthy, down size the military, and expand social services..Sam Donaldson from ABC news said such things during Obama’s reelection. The Democrat party is not a center left party, it is a left/extreme left party.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 5th, 2013
12:47 pm
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am…I think.
February 5th, 2013
12:43 pm
Amen…no pun intended. Historically, individaul beliefs in higher power(s)are not the issue. The issue IMO as well is organized religion…pretty much destroyed most of what they touch…Funny how our countries evangelical approach to spreading the gospel of our democracy is a mirror of that of many of the most frequented religions.
KEITH
February 5th, 2013
12:47 pm
An example of warped liberal intellect. Judge Cynthia Brim.
Brim, 54, was diagnosed years ago with a bipolar type of schizoaffective disorder, which means she experiences delusions and hallucinations, psychiatrist Mathew Markos testified. The symptoms can be kept in check with medication, he testified.
Brim’s November re-election campaign was backed by the Cook County Democratic Party as well as the Committee for Retention of Judges in Cook County, a campaign committee funded by judges. Judges need 60 percent of the vote to be retained; failing to meet that mark is rare.
So liberals are A-OK with crazy judges. You cannot make this stuff up. Liberals are really weird.
CC
February 5th, 2013
12:48 pm
“its okay for a state to have one party control? You feel a one party state is good for the state?”
Was it OK when the dimocrats had one-party control for 150 years?
Cherokee
February 5th, 2013
12:48 pm
Doom I’ve seen how you respond to people speaking truth, so I know you won’t admit your error here either. But no one – not one person I’ve seen anyway – is ‘mocking’ God.
Some don’t believe in Him, others want proof. But to call that ‘mocking’ is simply false.
And that concept – bearing false witness – is dealt with quite a bit in Scriptures…
Now, mocking people who claim to be Christians in spite of the fact that their spiritual guides are the Pharisees of old? Sure…. guilty as charged.
Lynnie Gal
February 5th, 2013
12:49 pm
Businesses are abandoning the GOP because the GOP is bad for business. All the cliff hanging and uncertainty they are creating with our economy is biting the butt off of businesses and consumers alike. This latest move by Rove just shows that the GOP’s Corporate Masters are calling them back, but the conservative TP attack dogs are untrained, unleashed and thirsty for the blood of the poor, the elderly,the children and the middle class workers. The GOP stoked this vicious group of ignorant, hate-filled racists to try to bring down Obama and it backfired. Now they have a big problem on their hands.
the dog
February 5th, 2013
12:49 pm
Keith-the money quote:
The symptoms can be kept in check with medication, he testified.
But would you sell her an AK-type gun?
Moderate Line
February 5th, 2013
12:49 pm
Some interesting comments from the left. Torturing non-Americans wrong. Violates their human rights. Drone attacks killing American citizens authorized by high ranking intelligence official ok.
Essentially, Obama is carrying out Bush’s policies on terrorist.
This has been entertaining. Cya
KEITH
February 5th, 2013
12:50 pm
No voter fraud huh?
Fulton County’s interim elections director denies her staff tampered with polling records by adding dozens of voters’ names to tally sheets last year. It wasn’t fraud, Sharon Mitchell says, but correcting mistakes.
But Secretary of State Brian Kemp maintains the county’s actions were likely illegal. Not only did the department’s missteps cause more people to use paper ballots than the entire rest of the state combined, Kemp says the county also mishandled those ballots in the aftermath and may have counted some votes twice.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 5th, 2013
12:50 pm
“As I understand it, it is the individual Christian’s duty to worry about that individual Christian’s own sin, not that of others.”
And your “understanding” would be wrong:
Luke 7:43
“Simon answered, “The one, I suppose, for whom he cancelled the larger debt.” And he (Jesus) said to him, “You have judged rightly.”
http://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/Judging.html
http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/articles/judging.html
liberal hack
February 5th, 2013
12:51 pm
the only way you are not going to be hit with a tax increase in this country will be if you make 40,000 or less. At some point, the Democrats are going to pass income tax increases on those who make 200,000. They already passed a .9% Medicare tax on those making 200,000. Pretty soon the Democrats are going to want more money to spend and they are going to go after those who make 100,000. It’s just a matter of time. In fact, Jay thinks taxes need to go up on everyone. And except for paying doctor’s and cutting military, He wants an expansion of gov’t spending.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 5th, 2013
12:52 pm
Who’s really mocking God…those who claim that God does certain acts to send political messages to a group that the poster does not agree with or those who mock the poster for mocking God. Why do cons mock God? Why are cons too foolish to understand they are the ones mocking God?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 5th, 2013
12:53 pm
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
12:44 pm
Evangelicals scare me because they lay waste to the concept of separation of church and state number one. Number 2 is that the whole concept of selling dogma on others and/or discriminating due to conflicting beliefs have no good outcomes….
We have freedom of and from religion except..the evangelical quest is to convert as many as possible….I also don’t like vacuum cleaner salesfolks knocking on my door.
Matti
February 5th, 2013
12:53 pm
“Hey Doom, have you noticed there isn’t a single liberal poster on this board who EVER defends God? Not one. Ever.”
Does the Omnipotent need defending?
I believe in God. I just don’t believe arrogant, hateful, self-serving men when they ’splain God to me in the context of judging me or trying to run my life. See, believing what such a man says about God requires more than a belief in God; it requires a belief that such men actually (a) have the capacity to understand one as great as God, and (b) are capable of telling the truth if they knew it.
The faith required to believe such men is far greater than the faith required to believe that there is a being superior to mortal humans.
Escaped from Email Purgatory
February 5th, 2013
12:54 pm
@captguitarman
A mouth breather such as myself rarely taxes his modest attention span on posted comments over 25 words – it’s tough enough for me to be still long enough to read Bookman’s blogs that spawn the comments in the first place.
If my butt was bigger, I’d tatoo your comments on it. That’s high praise – believe it or not. Maybe I’ll paint it on the side of my house – the HOA can pound sand.
Great perspective on the current state of national politics.
Maybe your thesis (to some extent) is that Obama didn’t win the 2012 election. The GOP lost it.
getalife
February 5th, 2013
12:55 pm
fox fired palin but rehired rove so fox tossed you cons under the bus and will support the gop establishment with propaganda.
They are trying to kill the con monster they created.
These are great blogging times.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 5th, 2013
12:55 pm
ooooh Keith says there was “voter fraud”. But GA has a ID requirement. So what happened, Keith? Perhaps those were not the “frauds” you should have been looking for?
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
12:55 pm
Stevie Ray,
I believe in the more traditional God but I sure as hell don’t think of an old white man with a flowing beard. And I think there are numerous misconceptions about what the Bible truly says on a number of things. I’m certainly no fan of organized religion either which I think can be as destructive and ruinous a force as anything.
God to me is an infinite intelligence or an infinite force. Looking at it from the purely natural world perspective I see a design in everything and I don’t see how any of the wondrous things of our natural world can be just an accident. There is a design and purpose to everything.
And I used to be agnostic bordering on atheistic until I actually started looking at the whole God/no God debate. Seems to me that once you get past the misreadings of what people think (such as the truth about hell)that God is logical and rational even if the Bible was written with the simpleton people of its time in mind.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 5th, 2013
12:56 pm
Matti, you were much nicer than I was
KEITH
February 5th, 2013
1:01 pm
Keith-the money quote:
The symptoms can be kept in check with medication, he testified.
But would you sell her an AK-type gun?
Liberals are so predictable. I was waiting for one of you to try that. So I saved another money quote just for you. LOL
“She made the choice, despite numerous hospitalizations, to go off her medications,” Assistant State’s Attorney Maria Burnett said.
No I would not sell any liberal any type of gun. With gun ownership comes responsibility and liberals have proven to be very irresponsible.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 5th, 2013
1:03 pm
KEITH — “No I would not sell any liberal any type of gun. With gun ownership comes responsibility and liberals have proven to be very irresponsible.”
Refuse to sell me another firearm for that stated reason and you’d find yourself on the losing side of a civil suit, Keith.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
February 5th, 2013
1:03 pm
Matti, Keep and any others who might be interested…
Welcome to the “Freedom from Religion Foundation”
“The history of Western civilization shows us that most social and moral progress has been brought about by persons free from religion. In modern times the first to speak out for prison reform, for humane treatment of the mentally ill, for abolition of capital punishment, for women’s right to vote, for death with dignity for the terminally ill, and for the right to choose contraception, sterilization and abortion have been freethinkers, just as they were the first to call for an end to slavery. The Foundation works as an umbrella for those who are free from religion and are committed to the cherished principle of separation of state and church.”
KEITH
February 5th, 2013
1:03 pm
Its Fulton County. Hotbed of liberal voter fraud. You have liberals enforning or NOT enforcing the laws according to how to best help themselves.
KEITH
February 5th, 2013
1:05 pm
I CAN REFUSE TO SELL ANYONE ONE OF MY GUNS FOR ANY REASON I CHOOSE.
комисса́р (Occupation)
February 5th, 2013
1:05 pm
KEITH: “You have liberals enforning or NOT enforcing the laws according to how to best help themselves”
Oh, yeah, and the non-liberals NEVER do that.
skipper
February 5th, 2013
1:05 pm
Moderate Line,
I know this is not a duel, but ‘Bro has put a double-barrel high-brass a$$ whoopin’ on your lame self today………if you are moderate, then I invite all on this blog to the march for celibacy to be led by Warren Beatty and Madonna this weekend.
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
1:06 pm
“Evangelicals scare me because they lay waste to the concept of separation of church and state number one.”
I disagree for a couple of reasons. One is that the founders were for the most part deeply religious men. Religion was never intended to be stamped out as part of our public life. What they didn’t want imo was an official state religion like in Europe at the time or in Iran today. As for them forcing a state/religion alliance I think that’s pretty much an impossibility. Its impossible because just within Christianity we have so many different divisions that no one would ever agree on what the official religion would be. And the constitution and courts will always keep that separation.
“Number 2 is that the whole concept of selling dogma on others and/or discriminating due to conflicting beliefs have no good outcomes….”
Whatever dogma they are selling you don’t have to buy. No one is forcing you. Not sure what you mean though by discriminating beliefs.
“We have freedom of and from religion except..the evangelical quest is to convert as many as possible….I also don’t like vacuum cleaner salesfolks knocking on my door.”
Yes. That is indeed their mission because they honestly believe they are trying to save your soul. So when those Mormons knock on your door simply politely tell them that you’re not interested. Or do what I did in college. Invite them in, drink a 8 tall boys in front of them, start spewing your own drunken religious nonsense, and watch them give up. My roommate set me up by asking me to be there that afternoon at 2 to receive an important UPS package. What he had done was schedule the Mormon folks to see me. Doomy got punked good on that day. Still had fun with it though.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 5th, 2013
1:06 pm
I CAN REFUSE TO SELL ANYONE ONE OF MY GUNS FOR ANY REASON I CHOOSE.
NO YOU CANNOT
Skip
February 5th, 2013
1:06 pm
I think I’m quoting God correctly on this.Looking down on earth, “If it wasn’t for the dogs I’d kill them all”
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 5th, 2013
1:06 pm
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
12:55 pm
That’s a wonderful approach since it is thoughtful and remains personal. In my circles your feelings are commonly referred to as the “clockmaker” theory..hard to dispute if one felt dispute was necessary.
Seems to me there are many ways to find meaningful purpose in a higher power…after all there are many things bigger than me to be certain. More folks than I imagined simply choose to call their personal higher power “god”…
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
February 5th, 2013
1:06 pm
KEITH
February 5th, 2013
1:01 pm
Oh, I don’t know Keith…I just recently bought 200 rounds of Winchester .220 bullets for the sole purpose of making sure those rounds will NEVER see the light of day and never hurt anyone. I call that responsible, wouldn’t you?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 5th, 2013
1:07 pm
Amazing Keith, so now how did you determine that “liberals” were the cause? You have the investigation reports, obviously. Show us where the police were checking off the liberal box or is this just another, no conned live in Fulton county claim without fact.
Perhaps you need to work on the “facts lost to “liberals” ” stupidity to support your claim
KEITH
February 5th, 2013
1:07 pm
Liberals abmit to being unable to own weapons without hurting themselves. They think everyone else is like them so they want to ban them for all of us. Not everyone is as irresponsible as liberals.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 5th, 2013
1:08 pm
Skip
February 5th, 2013
1:06 pm
I thought that, not unlike “Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy”, it was the dolphins (porpoises) that will be spared…??
Joe Hussein Mama
February 5th, 2013
1:08 pm
Keith — “I CAN REFUSE TO SELL ANYONE ONE OF MY GUNS FOR ANY REASON I CHOOSE.”
If you’re a firearm dealer and you refuse to sell me another weapon because I’m a Democrat, then you’re going to get sued.
And you’ll lose, too.
KEITH
February 5th, 2013
1:09 pm
Oh, I don’t know Keith…I just recently bought 200 rounds of Winchester .220 bullets for the sole purpose of making sure those rounds will NEVER see the light of day and never hurt anyone. I call that responsible, wouldn’t you?
no, i call that stupidity. 220 bullets. LOL. I shoot 10 times that every time I go to the range. You just wasted a whole months pay didnt ya? LMAO
Joe Hussein Mama
February 5th, 2013
1:11 pm
Keith — “Liberals abmit to being unable to own weapons without hurting themselves.”
This liberal has admitted no such thing. Not going to either.
I’ve never hurt myself or anyone else when using or firing any weapon, whether I owned it or not.
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
1:11 pm
“The history of Western civilization shows us that most social and moral progress has been brought about by persons free from religion”
MLK was free from religion?
“just as they were the first to call for an end to slavery.”
Little bit of revisionist history going there Corbin. There were a lot of abolitionists who were abolitionists because of their religion- they found slavery to be an abhorrible practice.
As for abortion you call that social and moral progress??? You gotta be kidding.
KEITH
February 5th, 2013
1:12 pm
If you’re a firearm dealer and you refuse to sell me another weapon because I’m a Democrat, then you’re going to get sued.
And you’ll lose, too.
Who said i was a firearms ealer? One of your liberal buddies asked if I would sell an AK-47 to the crazy judge that liberals in Chicago keep reelecting. I said I wouldnt sell any guns to any liberal. AND I WOULDNT. You are too irresponsible.
Regnad Kcin
February 5th, 2013
1:12 pm
“No I would not sell any liberal any type of gun”
Why do cons hate the constitution?
getalife
February 5th, 2013
1:12 pm
Using God and the Bible for a party that does nothing good for the American people should end.
Jesus would throw up all over you cons if he came back.
Your hypocrisy has no bounds.
DannyX
February 5th, 2013
1:12 pm
“Liberals abmit to being unable to own weapons without hurting themselves. They think everyone else is like them so they want to ban them for all of us.”
That is just plain stupid.