GOP’s ire, once directed at Obama, now turns inward
There’s a lot of unhappiness out there.
For example, the Wall Street types who financed the GOP’s 2012 campaign, donating hundreds of millions of dollars to the party as well as to the SuperPACs run by Karl Rove and others, are not a happy lot.
They are unhappy because they got little or nothing for their investment; they are unhappy with the GOP’s deep reluctance to come to the aid of Hurricane Sandy victims in the Northeast; and as the Manhattan elite, they are unhappy about financing a party that picks on their gay friends and their Muslim friends and doesn’t seem all that friendly to their black friends either.
Rove and his buddies in the GOP political establishment are also very, very unhappy. They are unhappy because their deep-pocket donors are unhappy. They’re unhappy because the deeply conservative base that they created and nurtured along the way to a permanent Republican majority has now slipped their leash and now acts as if they, not the Roves of the world, ought to run the party and set its goals and pick its candidates.
Such impertinence is not appreciated.
To regain control, Rove and his allies have created a new front group, the Conservative Victory Fund, to siphon still more money from donors. This time, the money will be used to finance a war with the great unwashed within their own party and promote more electable (read: moderate and malleable) candidates. In effect, they seek to put their creature back on its leash, where it can be more useful to them.
“There is a broad concern about having blown a significant number of races because the wrong candidates were selected,” as Steven J. Law, president of Rove’s American Crossroads, told the New York Times.
And of course, those who identify as champions of the GOP grassroots aren’t happy either. They aren’t in the mood to listen to condescending lectures from fancy-dan consultants who spent hundreds of millions of other people’s money and got nothing for it, and now want to blame their failure on conservatives for being too conservative.
Matt Hoskins, executive director of the Senate Conservatives Fund, founded by former Sen. Jim DeMint, put it bluntly:
“The Conservative Defeat Project is yet another example of the Republican establishment’s hostility toward its conservative base. Rather than listening to the grassroots and working to advance their principles, the establishment has chosen to declare war on the party’s most loyal supporters. If they keep this up, the party will remain in the wilderness for decades to come.”
And as our friends over at RedState put it:
“American Crossroads is creating a new Super PAC to crush conservatives, destroy the tea party, and put a bunch of squishes in Republican leadership positions. …I dare say any candidate who gets this group’s support should be targeted for destruction by the conservative movement.”
Live by the sword, die by the sword, I suppose.
– Jay Bookman
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BOHICA
February 5th, 2013
10:29 am
Granny,
You crack me up! But, what chances do you think Jay will start a new topic about “legal assasination of US citizens?
pretty goofy stuff…not!
JohnnyReb
February 5th, 2013
10:29 am
BTW Jay, we can multitask. We still hate Obama.
Sean
February 5th, 2013
10:31 am
Time to sit back and watch the drama..
Does anyone have any popcorn?
комисса́р (Occupation)
February 5th, 2013
10:31 am
Grasshopper: “Do those that are overjoyed at the prospect of a GOP implosion feel that a one-party system is good for the country”
We already effectively have one, and have for quite some time, at the very least since Bill Clinton capitulated to Republican ideology (he probably always shared it, more or less) and pronounced “the era of big government is over”, but probably a good bit longer.
The two parties of today are what they have always been: two big business capitalist parties. It’s just that now one of the two has tried to accommodate nativist hysteria and racism, and every other type of crackpot tinfoil, half-baked theory out there, but with increasingly problematic results.
But the apparent tranquility on the Democratic side of the equation is purely illusory and has been bought at the price of an utter suppression and expulsion of anything truly deserving of the description of the “left”.
Jefferson
February 5th, 2013
10:32 am
Reb is a man without a country, I hope I stop crying in an hour or so.
td
February 5th, 2013
10:33 am
Matti
February 5th, 2013
10:24 am
“and voted repeatedly against their own best interests and the well-being of their communities and neighbors — in the Christian sense of that word. You know, the ones who believe “scroo the poor” ”
The is no way a decent Christian person can vote for a party that believes in Secular Humanism, has planks in its own party that endorses the murder of the innocent and wholeheartedly supports sodomy and denied God three times in public.
I question the faith of anyone that claims to be a Christian and then supports these values.
maximum
February 5th, 2013
10:34 am
Haven’t decided yet where I’ll be staying in London, I’ll be running a workshop in Huntington on Monday/Tuesday and in London for meetings before and after. I’ve been to England many times and have some favorite haunts, but would certainly enjoy trying something new on your recommendation. New adventures are part of life’s rich pageant!
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 5th, 2013
10:34 am
Jay
February 5th, 2013
10:27 am
“the administration is telling us that it is legal to execute Americans without due process….”
That complaint epitomizes just how vapid the GOP has become in its opposition to all things Obama. We can’t stop a terrorist out in the field actively trying to do imminent harm to our country and its citizens just because he or she happens to somehow have American citizenship? Seriously? That’s your complaint? You want Anwar al-Awlaki, the guy who sent the Christmas airline bomber to this country, who pushed Major Hasan to kill fellow soldiers at Fort Hood, who became a regional commander for Al Qaida in Yemen, who encouraged others, including the Times Square bomber — you insist that he get “due process” before he is stopped?
The argument is ludicrous, and it’s even more ludicrous coming from conservatives who in other contexts recognize no legal bounds on the executive’s war-making powers, right down to the right to perform torture even though torture is clearly outlawed by our nation’s own laws. Again, it speaks to the desperation of those on the right to find any grounds whatsoever on which to condemn Obama.
If the president had refused to take out al-Awlaki, citing due process, how do you think straitroad and others would have reacted?
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Yea verily…………….in the future due to technology,world-wide communication, basic human decency/consensus and dialogue…….violent voices such as this will be marginilized.
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The State will ……and is…………so double-ought.
Brosephus™
February 5th, 2013
10:34 am
“the administration is telling us that it is legal to execute Americans without due process….”
How can one person crap out such a huge pile of bullsh*t in one squatting???
If one decides to rise up as an enemy of the Constitution, where does that person deserve due process? Wasn’t a sizeable conservative group adamant that terrorists didn’t deserve to be Mirandized and/or provided protection by our Constitution? If that terrorist just so happens to be American, what’s the damned difference?
комисса́р (Occupation)
February 5th, 2013
10:34 am
JohnnyReb: “BTW Jay, we can multitask. We still hate Obama”
That’s not multi-tasking. Hatred of Obama was always the prime motivation. And it will remain so until leadership of the party you think you hate changes hands.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 5th, 2013
10:35 am
Jay, no need to worry about drones. As we know from the Bush years, if you have a memo in your file, everything is good with the conned.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 5th, 2013
10:35 am
td — “I question the faith of anyone that claims to be a Christian and then supports these values.”
I believe your faith says that it’s not for you to do the judging.
F. Sinkwich
February 5th, 2013
10:36 am
The RINOs should simply join the Dems and be done with it.
Issue resolved.
Jay
February 5th, 2013
10:37 am
“I question the faith of anyone that claims to be a Christian and then supports these values.
The thing is, td, that judgment isn’t yours to make, now is it? Are you stepping in to do God’s job for Him?
Matti
February 5th, 2013
10:39 am
td,
Then we’re even, I guess. I’ve been reading your vitriol for some time now, and would never equate you with a “decent Christian person.”
jconservative
February 5th, 2013
10:39 am
The Republicans have created a national party that is out of touch with the 50 state parties. The 50 state parties could care less about anything national and the national party could care less about anything local. Or so it seems.
The 2012 election results can be read as a backlash by women, latinos, asians and blacks against the 50 local state parties and their anti agendas.
Brosephus™
February 5th, 2013
10:39 am
JHM & Jay
Are y’all questioning the almighty power of td??? In case y’all didn’t already know it, td is always right, regardless to how wrong he is. He’s just that smart and knowledgable.
Adam
February 5th, 2013
10:40 am
GOP’s ire, once directed at Obama, now turns inward
DAMMIT! If they do that they might become reasonable again and that would mean we would actually have some choices! I don’t LIKE choices!!! Whiiiiiiine!
Aquagirl
February 5th, 2013
10:40 am
I’m just asking because it seems that is what so many would truly like to see happen.; one party to fail and crumble into the ‘dustbin of history’ and the other to take complete control.
IIRC Jay has said a functioning Republican party that provides real opposition is good for everyone, and I agree.
Personally I’m happy at this development not because I want to see Republicans disappear; I want to see the nutcases back on the sidelines. Right now they’re running the show. BTW I voted Republican before they started pandering to the crazy crowd.
TBS
February 5th, 2013
10:41 am
Matti
Seem’s td is enamored with the “fire insurance” as much or more than he is with the tenements of the Bible and his religion.
NObama
February 5th, 2013
10:41 am
Bleeding heart liberals make me sick – bite me jayweiner
Granny Godzilla
February 5th, 2013
10:42 am
BOHICA
February 5th, 2013
10:29 am
Granny,
You crack me up! But, what chances do you think Jay will start a new topic about “legal assasination of US citizens?
pretty goofy stuff…not!
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Want them to live so they can kill you or your kids or some american soldiers????
Screw the drones, send over 50,000 more troops?
bohica – indeed you go willingly into the posture
Jefferson
February 5th, 2013
10:43 am
I wouldn’t want to be in ANY group with td, he can have his own party.
TBS
February 5th, 2013
10:43 am
td
While you are here, can you provide the Bookman blog an update on the proceedings of the Electoral College changes in WI, MI, OH, PA and VA?
You were hot and heavy on this not too long ago. An update would be great.
Thanks
td
February 5th, 2013
10:44 am
Jay
February 5th, 2013
10:37 am
“I question the faith of anyone that claims to be a Christian and then supports these values.
The thing is, td, that judgment isn’t yours to make, now is it? Are you stepping in to do God’s job for Him?
You are right that it is not mine or any other Christians job to judge. It is the individual Christians duty to call out sin when they see it.
комисса́р (Occupation)
February 5th, 2013
10:44 am
Aquagirl: “IIRC Jay has said a functioning Republican party that provides real opposition is good for everyone, and I agree.”
The paradox here is that the real opposition that has been missing is that of the opposition TO the Republicans, not opposition FROM them, which continues to be in full view to a gargantuan degree. So the real crisis is that the Democratic party does not provide any real opposition — not on the security state, not on government assassinations, not on drones, presidential power, or the continuing transfer of even more power and wealth from the people to an oligarchic and unchecked power class.
THAT is the real missing opposition in our system.
Matti
February 5th, 2013
10:44 am
Aquagirl: ” I want to see the nutcases back on the sidelines. Right now they’re running the show. BTW I voted Republican before they started pandering to the crazy crowd.”
Good point. These are not our grandfathers’ Republicans.
Jay
February 5th, 2013
10:44 am
“The 50 state parties could care less about anything national…
I would disagree with you on that, jcon. I think the 50 state parties could care less about anything state and instead are focused purely on maintaining party discipline on national issues.
Look here in Georgia. Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle proposes to take state money and invest it in venture capital projects — most of which by nature will not pan out — which is almost exactly what the GOP condemned so strongly with Solyndra, etc.
Is there any outcry that state government shouldn’t be doing such things? Hardly. They’re all too busy accusing each other of violating Grover’s no-tax pledge.
Granny Godzilla
February 5th, 2013
10:45 am
td stands for “the deity”
who’d a thunk it?
RB from Gwinnett
February 5th, 2013
10:45 am
JohnnyReb, “You can’t be against abortion, for example, except when you speak publically about it. You can be smarter in your public statements, but abandoning the basics of the party won’t get you elected. One more vote for raising tax rates and I’m through with the lot.”
My last fundraising call from the RNC went pretty much exactly like that. Why in the world the idiots in the R party think the Bookman’s of the world will vote for them if they’ll just be a little more like liberals is beyond me. They still won’t get the votes, they’ll lose the conservative wing of the party (the Tea Party) and we’ll be closer to the socialist reality the left wants. Funny thing is, though, the closer we get to their utopia, the more they’re whining about the middle class and the “less fortuate” being left behind as if that should be a surprise given the history they’re repeating.
Unfortunately, we’ve come to the point where there are enough takers who will never vote themselves out of a free ride that the margin a conservative candidate has to deal with is pretty slim as evidenced by an utterly pathetic POTUS being re-elected with 8% unemployment… for 4 years.
TBS
February 5th, 2013
10:45 am
“It is the individual Christians duty to call out sin when they see it.”
Your own as well or is that just between you and your God?
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 5th, 2013
10:46 am
Brosephus™
February 5th, 2013
10:34 am
“the administration is telling us that it is legal to execute Americans without due process….”
How can one person crap out such a huge pile of bullsh*t in one squatting???
If one decides to rise up as an enemy of the Constitution, where does that person deserve due process? Wasn’t a sizeable conservative group adamant that terrorists didn’t deserve to be Mirandized and/or provided protection by our Constitution? If that terrorist just so happens to be American, what’s the damned difference?
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During the height of Stalin’s glory, the central economic planners always had to find scapegoats for their failure.
He TOO chose to disregard Due Process, the Magna Carter, or other pesky checks to assacinate his citizens………………IF they were determined to be enemies of the State.(even he had trials.)
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But anyhoo……………Friendly opinion editorials were a favorite target.
Apparently, the writers were just not doing a “good enough” job.
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Read some Bulgakov.
TaxPayer
February 5th, 2013
10:46 am
I has it on good authority that some of them there moderate conservatives, incorrectly calling themselves Republicans, helped fund SOLYNDRA! In return for certain favors most likely. Now is you is or is you ain’t part of the true Republican constituency.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
February 5th, 2013
10:47 am
“Are you stepping in to do God’s job for Him?”
That, in a nutshell, is exactly what the religious right is trying to do. Give them turbans and call them Taliban.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 5th, 2013
10:47 am
TBS — “the tenements of the Bible”
They anything like Sodom and Gomorrah?
/grammar nerd
Granny Godzilla
February 5th, 2013
10:48 am
So the fakers blame the takers?
Too funny.
Moderate Line
February 5th, 2013
10:49 am
Jay
February 5th, 2013
10:27 am
“the administration is telling us that it is legal to execute Americans without due process….”
That complaint epitomizes just how vapid the GOP has become in its opposition to all things Obama. We can’t stop a terrorist out in the field actively trying to do imminent harm to our country and its citizens just because he or she happens to somehow have American citizenship? Seriously? That’s your complaint? You want Anwar al-Awlaki, the guy who sent the Christmas airline bomber to this country, who pushed Major Hasan to kill fellow soldiers at Fort Hood, who became a regional commander for Al Qaida in Yemen, who encouraged others, including the Times Square bomber — you insist that he get “due process” before he is stopped?
The argument is ludicrous, and it’s even more ludicrous coming from conservatives who in other contexts recognize no legal bounds on the executive’s war-making powers, right down to the right to perform torture even though torture is clearly outlawed by our nation’s own laws. Again, it speaks to the desperation of those on the right to find any grounds whatsoever on which to condemn Obama.
If the president had refused to take out al-Awlaki, citing due process, how do you think straitroad and others would have reacted?
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I am both against torture and drones killing American citizens so your argument is dead for me.
Your defense of Obama is that the Republicans would criticize him no matter what. I expect Dem partisan to support him no matter what. However, that does not distract from the issue of whether an American citizen is deprived of his due process just because he is on foreign soil. Also you need to find a better criticism of the administration position because I voted for Obama in the last election and voted pretty much straight Democrat.
I have to give credit to the ACLU it protects peoples right regardless of partisanship. It is unfortunate that people like Jay are more concerned about supporting their tribe than what is right or wrong.
The justification you present is dangerous. If this person was on American soil we could send drones to kill him. We would need a warrant with probable cause. Any liberal making such an argument is on rationalizing.
You sound like the very people you criticize.
TBS
February 5th, 2013
10:49 am
JHM
tenets, tenements……………
and this being a blog………. sometimes I catch my error, others times I don’t……..
I don’t worry about it too much.
td
February 5th, 2013
10:49 am
TBS
February 5th, 2013
10:43 am
td
While you are here, can you provide the Bookman blog an update on the proceedings of the Electoral College changes in WI, MI, OH, PA and VA?
You were hot and heavy on this not too long ago. An update would be great.
Thanks
“Hot and heavy”, really? Bringing up the subject for discussion on a Constitutional basis is what blog talk should be about. If the Republicans in those states feel it is not in the best interest of their state then so be it. My point is that it is legal and Constitutional for them to divide their electoral votes anyway the state seems fit.
RB from Gwinnett
February 5th, 2013
10:50 am
Jay, “The thing is, td, that judgment isn’t yours to make, now is it?”
He did warn us to be leary of false prophets, Jay. When we see one, do you think we’re supposed to keep that to ourselves or do you think God might want us to warn others?
TaxPayer
February 5th, 2013
10:51 am
I don’t believe td grasps the definition of “judgemental”.
TBS
February 5th, 2013
10:51 am
td
Then provide us an update as to how it is going. And yes you were hot and heavy when it was hot and heavy on the right leaning websites and even being talked about by the RNC Chairmen
Now, how about an update? How is that working out for the 2016 election?
DannyX
February 5th, 2013
10:52 am
“It is the individual Christians duty to call out sin when they see it.”
td, what are your sins? What should we be calling out? You want to judge, your Bible says we get to judge you too!
TBS
February 5th, 2013
10:52 am
“He did warn us to be leary of false prophets, Jay. When we see one, do you think we’re supposed to keep that to ourselves or do you think God might want us to warn others?”
And how do we know td isn’t one?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 5th, 2013
10:53 am
“the administration is telling us that it is legal to execute Americans without due process….”
And I happen to agree with that decision if they are terrorists on the field of battle (and I wouldn’t lose sleep over it if the battlefield that day was in the U.S.) !!
Then JAY retorts:
“That complaint epitomizes just how vapid the GOP has become in its opposition to all things Obama.”
The HYPOCRISY is that if a Republican was president you libs. would be moaning about the lack of “due process” yourselves as YOU would be VAPID about anything Republican or conservative.
GEEZ !
Aquagirl
February 5th, 2013
10:54 am
So the real crisis is that the Democratic party does not provide any real opposition
I completely agree…that’s what happens when people give you what I’d call an “Akin vote.”
Jay
February 5th, 2013
10:54 am
“It is the individual Christians duty to call out sin when they see it.”
No, it is not. Not according to the words of Jesus, it is not.
“Why worry about a speck in your friend’s eye when you have a log in your own?”
“Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”
As I understand it, it is the individual Christian’s duty to worry about that individual Christian’s own sin, not that of others.
комисса́р (Occupation)
February 5th, 2013
10:54 am
Brosephus: “If one decides to rise up as an enemy of the Constitution, where does that person deserve due process? “:
The determination of who has violated the constitution is precisely what due process is there to safeguard.
Granny Godzilla
February 5th, 2013
10:54 am
RB
Warn folks?
Like the NRA does? Or the Mayan calender thing? Or y2K?
Go for it, just remember if the warning is silly. stupid or wrong accepting the results like an adult is required.
Moderate Line
February 5th, 2013
10:55 am
Jay
February 5th, 2013
10:27 am
you insist that he get “due process” before he is stopped?
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Two problems with this statement.
1) I find it hard to believe that killing one person would stop anything.
2) Can we now send drones to kill suspected serial killers. Should we insist on due process before he is stopped.
TBS
February 5th, 2013
10:55 am
Matthew 7:1
“Judge not, that ye be not judged.”
And here I thought it was just the Old Testament that some like to pick and choose what to adhere to or not. (get of Leviticus free cards).
Learn something new everyday.
Brosephus™
February 5th, 2013
10:57 am
Heyward: He TOO chose to disregard Due Process, the Magna Carter, or other pesky checks to assacinate his citizens………………IF they were determined to be enemies of the State.(even he had trials.)
Did Stalin have laws that mirrored our Constitution? Did Stalin take an oath of office that’s exactly like the POTUS does? Does the Russian military take an oath of office that mirrors what the US military takes?
Go and read what the Oath of Office says for everybody involved in the use of drones, from the president all the way down to the person that plugs them in when they return to base.
I have no problem with anybody that opposes Obama and/or the use of drones. I’m simply stating out that all those involved are only carrying out their oaths. If you don’t want to have Hellfire missiles shoved down your throat, then don’t become an enemy to the Constitution.
RB from Gwinnett
February 5th, 2013
10:57 am
Matthew 18:15-17, “15“If your brother sins against you,b go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. 16But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’c 17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector. ”
Seems to me we’re suppose call sin what it is and to separate ourselves from those who refuse to acknowledge their sin.
Yet another reason why that “come together” think ain’t gonna happen.
TBS
February 5th, 2013
10:58 am
“If you don’t want to have Hellfire missiles shoved down your throat, then don’t become an enemy to the Constitution.”
Or be at the wrong wedding in WI?
TBS
February 5th, 2013
11:00 am
RB
And as I asked td, you calling out your own sins as well or is that just between you and your God?
RB from Gwinnett
February 5th, 2013
11:01 am
“And how do we know td isn’t one?”
Read the Bible, pray about it, compare what td says to the truth contained in the scriptures, and allow the Holy Spirit to speak to you.
Let us know how that turns out for you.
TBS
February 5th, 2013
11:03 am
RB
I’m asking you. And what are your sins? Guess like td you are much better at calling out others.
What a surprise.
Matti
February 5th, 2013
11:03 am
My neighbor RB refuses to love me as he loves himself.
Gosh.
Jay
February 5th, 2013
11:04 am
“Can we now send drones to kill suspected serial killers. Should we insist on due process before he is stopped?”
We can arrest a suspected serial killer, thus stopping him from killing again, and also give him or her the trial that the Constitution guarantees. That is a law-enforcement matter.
We don’t have that option when the serial killer/terrorist is in Yemen, or Pakistan, plotting attacks against our country. That is a military matter, not a law-enforcement matter.
Tom
February 5th, 2013
11:04 am
I Cor 6:10–”Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.” What RB and td if not revilers? I’m just calling out their sin in Christian love and pointing out they’re both headed straight for hell.
DannyX
February 5th, 2013
11:04 am
“Like the NRA does? Or the Mayan calender thing? Or y2K?”
Don’t forget these false prophets,
Franklin Graham, Benny Hinn, Eddie Long, Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, Pat Robertson, Prophetess Juanita Bynum, Oral Roberts, James Dobson, George Rekers, Paul Crouch, Crefelo Dollar, the Pope, Robert Schuller, John Hagee, TD Jakes…
USinUK - former Girl Scout
February 5th, 2013
11:05 am
ohmysweetbabyjeebus …
#1 on the IT’S ABOUT BLOODY TIME Hit Parade:
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/02/04/u-s-and-states-prepare-to-sue-s-p-over-mortgage-ratings/?smid=tw-share
The Justice Department filed civil fraud charges late on Monday against the nation’s largest credit-ratings agency, Standard & Poor’s, accusing the firm of inflating the ratings of mortgage investments and setting them up for a crash when the financial crisis struck.
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
11:06 am
“Geez !
Nothing about MARTA, Georgia transportation or charter schools this morning ???”
Scout,
Come on now. You know Jay has to get them all frothing at the mouth in the morning with some fresh raw red meat. Let them work out some anger, hate, and frustration first before we move on to some real topics of discussion.
Brosephus™
February 5th, 2013
11:06 am
Occupation: The determination of who has violated the constitution is precisely what due process is there to safeguard.
One would think that joining and supporting a group that considers itself at war with the US would qualify for treason, which is mentioned by name in the Constitution. Then again, that’s only my personal viewpoint.
Brosephus™
February 5th, 2013
11:07 am
Or be at the wrong wedding in WI?
DAMMITTTT!!!!!!!!!!!! You owe me a smoothie…. Now people are gonna think I’m nuts for laughing all by myself.
Thulsa Doom
February 5th, 2013
11:09 am
“We don’t have that option when the serial killer/terrorist is in Yemen, or Pakistan, plotting attacks against our country. That is a military matter, not a law-enforcement matter.”
There goes Jay sounding all Republican warmonger like. What the hell has gotten into the imam?
RB from Gwinnett
February 5th, 2013
11:10 am
“My neighbor RB refuses to love me as he loves himself. Gosh.”
I’m not losing any sleep over it either, matti. TBS, you can put that one on my list if it makes you feel better.
When are the few Christians left in the Democrat party going to wake up and realize the majority of their party hates their religion?
td
February 5th, 2013
11:10 am
Brosephus™
February 5th, 2013
10:34 am
“the administration is telling us that it is legal to execute Americans without due process….”
“If one decides to rise up as an enemy of the Constitution, where does that person deserve due process?”
So since the Occupy movement declared openly in public that the Constitution was the enemy of the people and should be done away with then does this not rise to the level of being an enemy of the Constitution? Do they not deserve due process?
“Wasn’t a sizeable conservative group adamant that terrorists didn’t deserve to be Mirandized and/or provided protection by our Constitution?”
They were not US Citizens.
” If that terrorist just so happens to be American, what’s the damned difference?”
Here is where I tend to somewhat agree with you. It is a very fine line we walk and a slippery slope that could get ugly in the end.
I had no problem with water boarding and other enhanced interrogation techniques used and I do not have a problem with drone strikes on foreign nationals and only a few reservations about the same treatment to US citizens that declare war on the Constitution. We do need to be more in the open about what we are doing to US Citizens or we risk slipping down that slope.
Cosby
February 5th, 2013
11:11 am
Ahh Jay, lets just dismiss Congress and apoint the annoited one as King…might as well, he does what he wants anyway and lives the life style of a King…perhaps he will make you a Knight!
Picking winners and loosers with tax payer money called stimulus
Fast and Ffurious – while wanting to take guns from US Citizens and deastroy the 2nd amendment
Trillions per year in incresed spending
Over $13,000 pages of rules and reg’s for Obama Care while cost of health care rises
dictating to Private concerns what benefits they will or will not offer
Using Departments to violet the constitution under his direction NLRB vs Boeing
Promoting Class war fare
Being handled with kid gloves by the media
Increasing taxes on everyone – oops those that still have a job
Advertising to illegals how to get food stamps
Ahh the list goes on but the King can do no wrong!
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
February 5th, 2013
11:11 am
Well, IMO the guy’s got a point about due process. I think we ought to have a traveling jury to go along with our troops and the drones. They could get a judge to sign off on all the wiretaps, etc. First they’d need a grand jury to listen to all the wiretaps and indict the Terrist. Then we could have a trial. You can try a person if you can’t find him. Then we’d pass the sentence along to the drone operator in some easy chair in Las Vegas. But before he could do anything the Justice Department would make a telephone call:
Ahmed: Hello?
Justice Dept.: Greetings, Ahmed. Do you recall when you talked to your friends about how you killed those three Americans?
Ahmed: Who is this? How did . . .
Justice Dept.: It’s a friend in law enforcement in your home country. We know you’re an American citizen and entitled to due process.
Ahmed: What do you want?
Justice Dept.: We know you’re entitled to due process, and we’ve given it to you.
Ahmed: What are you talking about?
Justice Dept.: You’ve been indicted, tried, and convicted for murder. I’m announcing your sentence.
Ahmed: What?
Justice Dept.: Look up at the sky, Ahmed.
Ahmed: AHHHHHHHEEEEE!
That ought to satisfy any person that beleives in the Constitution.
Jay
February 5th, 2013
11:11 am
RB, you’re overlooking a key word in that passage:
“If your brother sins against YOU ….”
Not against God. Against you. If your brother steals from you, cheats you, etc., this is how you handle it.
Uh Huh...The GOP's CHICKENS are coming home to ROOST
February 5th, 2013
11:15 am
The CONS have to face the consequences of their MISTAKES and BAD DEEDS.
The BAD and EVIL things the CONS have done in the past are beginning to
cause them problems.
WE TOLD YOU SO.
Matti
February 5th, 2013
11:17 am
Ooooo! Sizzle…. burn…. Mr. Bookman’s rollin’ holy today with the quotes. LOVE it!
RB from Gwinnett
February 5th, 2013
11:17 am
Jay, “Not against God. Against you. If your brother steals from you, cheats you, etc., this is how you handle it.”
You mean like if he uses the government to steal my money for his own purposes?
Constructive Feedback
February 5th, 2013
11:18 am
Does anyone else notice that Jay Bookman is able to live in a sea of “Progressive Democratic” usurpation of the “Hopes And Dreams” collected from “The Least Of These” – but he can only bring himself to focus on Republicans?
ALTERNATIVE HEADLINE: “The GOP Redirects Its Racism And Hatred That Was Once Targeted Toward Obama, Inward BUT Jay Bookman Will Not Be Talking About The ‘Obama Drone Strike Policy’ That Broke Today Because He Refuses To Do Introspection About What He Actually Believes”
Joe Hussein Mama
February 5th, 2013
11:19 am
TBS — “I don’t worry about it too much.”
I don’t, either. FWIW, I think that most folks who are grammar or punctuation police need to try decaf.
In your case, however, things strayed into the realm of Delicious Malapropisms and I just couldn’t resist. No hard feelings, I hope.
Granny Godzilla
February 5th, 2013
11:20 am
Constructive Feedback
nope.
Brosephus™
February 5th, 2013
11:20 am
So since the Occupy movement declared openly in public that the Constitution was the enemy of the people and should be done away with then does this not rise to the level of being an enemy of the Constitution?
No. According to the US Constitution:
Section 3.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
Occupy has not picked up arms or supported anybody picking up arms against the US, therefore they do not rise to the level of treason as defined within the Constitution. Anwar Al-Awlaki, on the other hand, openly supported a group that has already killed thousands of Americans.
As he was hiding within a country that has no extradition agreement with the US, what other options do we have with dealing with such a person? Do you simply allow him to continue to spread and influence hatred for the US simply because he’s American, or do you treat him just like every other terrorist he influences?
Joe Hussein Mama
February 5th, 2013
11:21 am
RB — “He did warn us to be leary of false prophets, Jay. When we see one, do you think we’re supposed to keep that to ourselves or do you think God might want us to warn others?”
That’s exactly what Jay did. He warned us about td.
Moderate Line
February 5th, 2013
11:21 am
Jay
February 5th, 2013
11:04 am
“Can we now send drones to kill suspected serial killers. Should we insist on due process before he is stopped?”
We can arrest a suspected serial killer, thus stopping him from killing again, and also give him or her the trial that the Constitution guarantees. That is a law-enforcement matter.
We don’t have that option when the serial killer/terrorist is in Yemen, or Pakistan, plotting attacks against our country. That is a military matter, not a law-enforcement matter.
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What? You can only hold someone for so long without charging them which means you need evidence so the serial killer can continue to kill until there is enough evidence to charge them.
Here is the basis for such an attack:
that a high-level American intelligence official has determined the individual poses an imminent threat, that capture is infeasible, and that the strike is conducted according to the laws of war governing use of force.
Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/281069-doj-white-paper-on-killer-drones-and-us-citizens-abroad#ixzz2K2epP8p2
Your are accepting that a”high level intelligence official” gets to determine whether an American citizen on foreign soil can be take out.
One high level government official gets to determined if an American citizen is guilty and gets to deliver the verdict.
In an interview with NBC, Jameel Jaffer, deputy legal director of the ACLU, called the document “chilling.”
“Basically, it argues that the government has the right to carry out the extrajudicial killing of an American citizen. … It recognizes some limits on the authority it sets out, but the limits are elastic and vaguely defined, and it’s easy to see how they could be manipulated,” Jaffer said.
It something to remember when traveling overseas. One high level intelligence official decides you are a threat and you can be taken out. Seems odd someone on the left would make such an argument. I can only explain it by tribalism.
Uh Huh...The GOP's CHICKENS are coming home to ROOST
February 5th, 2013
11:23 am
@RB from Gwinnett
February 5th, 2013
10:57 am
Matthew 18:15-17, “15“If your brother sins against you,b go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. 16But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’c 17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector. ”
Seems to me we’re suppose call sin what it is and to separate ourselves from those who refuse to acknowledge their sin.
Yet another reason why that “come together” think ain’t gonna happen.
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RB FROM GWINNETT YOU SKIPPED OVER THIS:
Matthew 7:5
You HYPOCRITE (RB from Gwinnett), first take the plank out of your OWN eye,
and then YOU RB FROM GWINNETT will see clearly to remove the speck from
your brother’s eye.
Uh Huh
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 5th, 2013
11:23 am
<ISo since the Occupy movement declared openly in public that the Constitution was the enemy of the people and should be done away with …
False start! Not what they “declared”
Lord Help Us
February 5th, 2013
11:23 am
‘That’s exactly what Jay did. He warned us about td.’
Jaysus?
td
February 5th, 2013
11:23 am
Jay
February 5th, 2013
10:54 am
“It is the individual Christians duty to call out sin when they see it.”
No, it is not. Not according to the words of Jesus, it is not.
“Why worry about a speck in your friend’s eye when you have a log in your own?”
“Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”
As I understand it, it is the individual Christian’s duty to worry about that individual Christian’s own sin, not that of others.
Read Matthew 18: 15-17. I am pretty sure it is in Red in my Bible.
guy
February 5th, 2013
11:24 am
Why not discuss the economy that’s in a ditch,what to do about the deficit, why no one cares, and the real issues that matter? Discussing gay rights,boy scouts,and whether or not to play football is only a diversion. That is a joke! PITIFUL
Joe Hussein Mama
February 5th, 2013
11:25 am
RB — “When are the few Christians left in the Democrat party going to wake up and realize the majority of their party hates their religion?”
Speaking as a Democrat and as an atheist, I don’t hate christians *or* christianity.
I just don’t think that either the religion or its adherents deserve any kind of special treatment or status.
DannyX
February 5th, 2013
11:25 am
“You mean like if he uses the government to steal my money for his own purposes?”
Exactly! The Godless Democrats need to start worshiping the Rich. Jesus loved the Rich and hated the poor and sick. Money is the root of all good. The Rich shall inherit the earth. Blessed are the job creators and bankers. Stone them!
The poor should sell all of their Obamaphones and give the money to the Rich!
TBS
February 5th, 2013
11:26 am
JHM
Its all good. I’m probably the worst offender on the blog. Easy target
Bro
Read where you said the baby might be on the way soon. Hope all goes well.
DannyX
February 5th, 2013
11:27 am
td, what would you get stoned for?
What are your sins?
getalife
February 5th, 2013
11:27 am
F the gop.
Who cares about the gop.
They broke it so they fix it.
RB from Gwinnett
February 5th, 2013
11:27 am
And BTW, Jay, that’s the kind of simple minded BS from you and others we’re fed up with. If you really think we should be silent about abortion simply because it wasn’t us who was aborted, you can take that thought and shove it. You and your bretheren’s simple minded attempts to use a Bible you don’t read of believe in to squash the Christian’s place at the table in this country is going to lead to a day when they get fed up and reach across the table and smack you in the mouth.
Have you liberals ever stopped to think all these natural disasters you keep blaming on global warming might actually be God trying to get your attention? The Bible is full of times when God used storms, earthquakes, plagues, etc, to remove nations, cities, and people from the earth. We’re not exempt from his wrath when he decides we’ve strayed too far.
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 5th, 2013
11:29 am
It’s never too late to choose decency————and put the violence of the State behind thee————-
.
“For every Southern boy fourteen years old, not once but whenever he wants it, there is the instant when it’s still not yet two o’clock on that July afternoon in 1863, the brigades are in position behind the rail fence, the guns are laid and ready in the woods and the furled flags are already loosened to break out and Pickett himself with his long oiled ringlets and his hat in one hand probably and his sword in the other looking up the hill waiting for Longstreet to give the word and it’s all in the balance, it hasn’t happened yet, it hasn’t even begun yet, it not only hasn’t begun yet but there is still time for it not to begin against that position and those circumstances which made more men than Garnett and Kemper and Armistead and Wilcox look grave yet it’s going to begin, we all know that, we have come too far with too much at stake and that moment doesn’t need even a fourteen-year-old boy to think This time. Maybe this time with all this much to lose and all this much to gain: Pennsylvania, Maryland, the world, the golden dome of Washington itself to crown with desperate and unbelievable victory the desperate gamble, the cast made two years ago….
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ITS ALL BUSH"S FAULT
February 5th, 2013
11:30 am
The MAYANS said it was time for a new begining. GOP the party of Stupid.Lapierre the Hate monger.
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 5th, 2013
11:31 am
, not once but whenever he wants it, there is the instant when it’s still not yet two o’clock on that July afternoon in 1863,
Moderate Line
February 5th, 2013
11:32 am
Brosephus™
February 5th, 2013
11:20 am
As he was hiding within a country that has no extradition agreement with the US, what other options do we have with dealing with such a person?
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So we can use drone attacks to kill American citizens as long a high ranking intelligence official deems the person a threat as long as we don’t have an extradition treaty.
Keep in mind his 16 year old son was killed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulrahman_al-Aulaqi
Dharma Bum
February 5th, 2013
11:32 am
Democrats aren’t looking any better than Republicans at this point Mr. Bookman. Beating your chest and repeatedly stating that a party is “imploding, dying, falling apart, etc.” doesn’t magically make it so.
Libs blame the Cons for everything, and Cons blame the Libs for everything.
Same old tripe from both sides. America needs fresh ideas that neither Democrats nor Republicans are able to offer.
Matti
February 5th, 2013
11:33 am
RB: “You mean like if he uses the government to steal my money for his own purposes?”
I’ll see your “steal my money” and raise you a “bearing false witness.”
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 5th, 2013
11:33 am
The GOP has a great opportunity to make the most of this down time to recover. Much of success down the road depends on where the economy goes including, growth, employment, debt service/deficit. If these numbers trend negatively, it won’t take much of a message to gain traction. The bet is whether or not the ruling Keynesian DEM allegiance results in troubled water.
The infighting while good theatre for the left, is necessary and a meaningful part of any recovery…or shall we call it mourning process..
DannyX
February 5th, 2013
11:33 am
“Have you liberals ever stopped to think all these natural disasters you keep blaming on global warming might actually be God trying to get your attention?”
I always thought natural disasters were due to our Christian conservatives cheering Shock and Awe, divorcing like crazy, praying in public, worshiping the rich, and ridiculing the poor.
getalife
February 5th, 2013
11:34 am
President Obama is annihilating the gop.
Party over.