Boy Scouts prepare to compromise on gay membership

“troops meet often in regional, state and even national events, creating the potential for continued cultural conflicts.”

they’ll handle it just fine

“However, part of the role of Scouting should be to teach young boys how to overcome such differences.”

It already does.

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Could this sudden change of heart have anything at all to do with the files on abuse charges being opened? Naw-of course not.

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A great compromise! If only our Congress could follow that example………..

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The Girl Scouts (former sr. patrol leader myself) were way ahead on this issue.

uttered in that exasperated tone we women are so proud of …..

“Men!”

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How long before we see the obligatory, ‘I was kicked out of cub scouts’ joke…

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No local group would be forced to admit gay members and adults, in violation of its conscience or comfort zone; likewise, no group will be forced to ban or oust gay members and adults, which BSA policy now requires.

It is a move in the right direction. Still it is time that we provide that no discrimination should be supported by any charitable organization, any organization receiving govt funds or any organization involved in interstate commerce.

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that was the end of Scouting for my brother and I. But by then, to be honest, girls and other distractions had begun to pull my attention away anyway.

Late bloomer….. You got much farther than I did, but I was younger when my troop fell apart.

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Jay — “My military family was transferred to an airbase in Italy shortly thereafter, and that was the end of Scouting for my brother and I. But by then, to be honest, girls and other distractions had begun to pull my attention away anyway.)”

Well, now, wouldn’t Italy be a nice place to start scouting for ladies, so to speak.

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Won State Pinewood Derby as a Webolo,
But thank God………even as a kid, I thought that costume crap was a little creepy.
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I was drummed out for cutting my pants off and not wearing my costume to school and ……….I’m alright with that.

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I’m not so wild about openly gay adult leaders. As a man, I would not be allowed to be a girl scout leader. Would I be tempted by a 14 year old girl? No. If you put a hundred men in that position though, one of them would. If you put a thousand of them in that position, several would. Therefore the Girl Scouts rightly don’t allow male scout masters. Why should we expect gay males to behave better than straight males? They won’t – It’s putting the children at risk for nothing more than political correctness.

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“They won’t – It’s putting the children at risk for nothing more than political correctness”

Because, OF COURSE, they are currently at NO RISK whatsoever…right?

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“No local group would be forced to admit gay members and adults, in violation of its conscience or comfort zone…”

BS and you know it Jay.

“…our troop in suburban Pittsburgh fell apart quickly in what — in hindsight — may have been a covered-up abuse scandal…”

So, your troup was destroyed by a homosexual pedophile and you still defend homo’s being Scout leaders? Nice.

Nothing prevented homo’s from creating their own group and they could have catered to the San Francisco crowd, but no, their intent was to destroy any group with a traditional morality code.

Nice going Jay. What are y’all going to screw up next?

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alittlecommonsense-you do know there are lesbian scout leaders, no?

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K71 — “What happened to the point of view that private organizations set their own rules? That’s sort of what private means. For many years now, the Scouts have survived very well under their own rules, just as Augusta survived very well without having female members.”

That’s great, except that for years the Scouts have received the benefit of DoD support, to include the use of camping, orienteering and meeting facilities for some of their functions. So if the BSA’s enjoying government largesse and gifties like that, it’s no longer a ‘private organization operating under its own rules.’

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As a man, I would not be allowed to be a girl scout leader.

Actually you are completely wrong. As a man you can be a girl scout leader (with a co-leader) and as a heterosexual woman or a lesbian, you can.

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Ok Granny – I stand corrected on that part of my point.

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WHY?????

weetamoe

February 4th, 2013
9:14 am
As long as the scout officials are declared immune from charges/lawsuits resulting from claims of sexual abuse or claims of discrimination (all bases covered, all sides protected) there should be no problems at all.

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No DoD school in Italy? We had one in Izmir, Turkey (good teachers, by the way). Also had a scout troop and we had summer camp at Karamursel Air Base near Istanbul. Got to swim the Bosphorus from Europe to Asia as part of the camp. Oh, and I only made it to Star before girls and other things intruded into scouting.

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Lets end all race/sex based rules by any group. If you are a gay group on a college campus you have to admit religious people that argue that being gay is a sin. If you are a black fraternaty you should have to admit a pecentage of whites that mirrors the campus racial makeup. If you are an 18 year old girl you should register with selective service or be denied college loan money. If you are a jewish group you should be forced to admit muslims.

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Should make those overnight camping trips even more interesting!!!!

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If you are a black fraternaty you should have to admit a pecentage of whites that mirrors the campus racial makeup.

You can’t admit people who don’t apply to join your organization. That usually means they are not interested in joining. Why force someone to be a part of something they don’t want to belong to?

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bob 9:20
yes.

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I think I’ll just sit back and watch kayaker and Scout’s heads explode.

Oh, almost forgot RB. Well, I guess that’s understandable

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O me! Next thing you know, they’ll be lining our boys up to get Gay Married! This ain’t going to end very good. And I guess “Be Prepared” will mean carrying a condom in your pocket.

I don’t know why a bunch of gays would want to join the Boy Scouts when there’s Girl Scout troops all over the place. The only reason why that I can think of is they want to ruin our good Southren way of life. Just like Those People did fifty years ago, and you see how that turned out. Don’t get me started on that.

Have a good Monday everybody.

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Bro—
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“Why force someone to be a part of something they don’t want to belong to?”
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Yes…………why indeed.
See Lincoln.

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say what?

“Unfortunately, our troop and pack is sponsored by the local Catholic Church, and not a particularly progressive parish, either”

they’ve clamped down on what the girls can talk about in Girl Scouts, too (dog forbid they should discuss … sex and contraception!)

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I’m not so wild about openly gay adult leaders. As a man, I would not be allowed to be a girl scout leader. Would I be tempted by a 14 year old girl?

First – Only someone who is a PEDOPHILE would be interested in children. Gay doesn’t necessarily equate to being a PEDOPHILE just as STRAIGHT doesn’t necessarily equate to being SMART.

You’re not interested in 14 yo girls? Maybe its because you’re not a PEDERAST or have a temperament for PEDOPHILIA.

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I made homemade caramel ice cream

RECIPE!!! Please…..

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an altar boy

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Yes…………why indeed.
See Lincoln.

See Lincoln for what?

“My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union”
–Abraham Lincoln

Then again, you’ve been known to put your faith in men who were less than stellar. I remember your love affair with Gerard Depardieu, but somehow he turned Commie and you stopped mentioning him by name. Then, there’s the Wisconsin wedding party fiasco. However, I do admire your courage to stand by your convictions, at least until they’re proven wrong. That said, freedom for one and freedom for all!!!

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“Do the people of the South really entertain fears that a Republican administration would, directly, or indirectly, interfere with their slaves, or with them, about their slaves? If they do, I wish to assure you, as once a friend, and still, I hope, not an enemy, that there is no cause for such fears.”
–Abraham Lincoln

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Jay says, “While others may not be as supportive, time does and must change things.” I’d have to disagree. There are moral absolutes that never change, regardless of how times may change.

I’m not a homophobe, but, I don’t think gay scout masters is a very good idea. Part of the gun control argument is “…if we save one child…” Is it now, not about the children? I know I’ll be accused of comparing apples to oranges…

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“I believe the declara[tion] that ‘all men are created equal’ is the great fundamental principle upon which our free institutions rest; that negro slavery is violative of that principle; but that, by our frame of government, that principle has not been made one of legal obligation; that by our frame of government, the States which have slavery are to retain it, or surrender it at their own pleasure; and that all others—individuals, free-states and national government—are constitutionally bound to leave them alone about it.”
–Abraham Lincoln

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” I know I’ll be accused of comparing apples to oranges…”

damn straight, you’ll be accused of comparing apples to oranges. you’re honestly saying Neil Patrick Harris = AK 47 as far as their lethality.

that’s not just a bad comparison, that’s downright asinine.

and, my dear, moral “absolutes” change all the time. It used to be completely moral to sell your daughter for 7 goats and some chickens.

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“While others may not be as supportive, time does and must change things”. Wrong, wrong, and wrong.

Time is a factor that eternally marches on. However, time is also a factor that does not always change things if morality or values are not corrupted. Therefore, it remains timeless in its morality and value.

This traditional social club was privately founded to represent Christian values, social leadership, and gender responsibility. Homosexuality works against such instilled values. The common thread of this social organization does not allow the integration of homosexuality.

Much to the displeasure of liberal thinking, homosexual persuasion is driven by an aggressive pattern of sexual drive that outweighs normal behavior. Genteel expressions of male behavior such as flower arranging, fashion design, and feminine speech does not endanger social interaction. The desire to dress as a woman, look like a woman, frolicking in parades like a woman, having sex with the same gender, and aggressively support the idea of same sex marriage corrupts the social fabric of natural human interaction. Thus, social interaction is endangered. This is not the original intent of the Boy Scouts of America. Time changes, but values don’t.

Summer regional scouting venues will not work, based on the proposed lunatic liberal idea of homosexual integration. Liberalism has never worked, but has always been instrumental in ruining values that have worked and remain timeless in its essence.

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You know 98% of the women in the world are not sexually attracted to me anyway, why do I care if they are attracted to Tom Cruise or Rachel Welsh? Life goes on.

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“I’m not so wild about openly gay adult leaders. As a man, I would not be allowed to be a girl scout leader. Would I be tempted by a 14 year old girl? No. If you put a hundred men in that position though, one of them would. If you put a thousand of them in that position, several would. Therefore the Girl Scouts rightly don’t allow male scout masters. Why should we expect gay males to behave better than straight males? They won’t – It’s putting the children at risk for nothing more than political correctness.”

Because homosexuality is the same as a child predator.

Good lord, your logic is making my eyes bleed. You realize that there are gay teachers right. Are they trying to take advantage of kids?

Your argument is unraveling like a cheap Christmas sweater.

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USinUK – former Girl Scout

February 4th, 2013
9:50 am

So, then, it’s not “about the children.” I understand.
If moral absolutes change all the time, then they were never absolute to begin with.
Of course, I am not surprised by your reaction. When anyone on here offers a difference of opinion, all you can do is call names. Typical.

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frolicking in parades like a woman

I’ve never frolicked in a parade, do I have to exchange my X chromosome? Or is that just a stamp on my woman card?

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Donovan

Tolerant Christian Values?

In-Tolerant Christian values?

Or simply YOURS?

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” Yes, there are Scouts who are gay. So what. They are treated with respect and dignity just like any other Scout. ”

wrong.

SO very wrong.

scroll up to my 9:32

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Donovan

Mission Statement

The mission of the Boy Scouts of America is to prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices over their lifetimes by instilling in them the values of the Scout Oath and Law.

Scout Oath

Scout Law

On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight.

A Scout is:

Trustworthy
Loyal
Helpful
Friendly
Courteous
Kind

Obedient
Cheerful
Thrifty
Brave
Clean
Reverent

Vision Statement

The Boy Scouts of America will prepare every eligible youth in America to become a responsible, participating citizen and leader who is guided by the Scout Oath and Law.
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I think the problem is your mistaken take on what Christian values are…..

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erwin-well yes that is different. duh

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Bro———–
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I only reinforced your question “why force people to join something that they otherwise would not want to”.
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You give me statemets of Lincoln ………………….lying.
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wtf?

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the dog – erwin with the broad brush again

do you not read what you post?

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Erwin’s Cat: find a way to bash the Christians no matter the topic

Take an active interest in taking care of the problem in your own house and you wouldn’t have to worry about it.

“Let them see the good that we do.”

The public sees what the catholic church does and they don’t like it. Spin that any way you want. It’s the reason I am no longer a member. It is shameful to remain part of a group that de facto condones sexual assault.

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Do they have Boy Scouts in Kenya? One should not compromise their moral compass. It will be the individual local troop’s choice – Camel’s nose under the tent?

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It’s about men’s penchant for sexual misbehavior.

Funny that there’s a site that actually ranks “The Hottest Teachers Caught Sleeping With Students”, and based on the first few photos, there’s not a single male teacher to be found on the list.

http://www.ranker.com/list/hottest-teachers-caught-sleeping-with-students/trent-walker

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What’s next? Hairdressing and Interior Decorating merit badges?

I totally want to see a Parade-Frolicking badge. That’s a timeless ‘Merican value, right up there with fishing and hunting.

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Alabama makes the ‘Terrible Ten’ because we are not fair

A nonpartisan research organization in Washington, the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, says Alabama’s system of taxation was placed on its list of states with the most regressive tax systems.

Why we are not surprised?

For years, tax experts have told the state’s legislative leaders that over-reliance on sales and unfairly distributed income taxes places the heaviest tax burden on those least able to pay. It also creates an upside-down system that makes budgeting difficult and revenue often inadequate for the needs of a modern state. At the same time, groups and individuals who are concerned with the social consequences of this system have cited Scripture and verse condemning how our state treats the “least of these.”

http://www.annistonstar.com/view/full_story/21591832/article-Alabama-makes-the-%E2%80%98Terrible-Ten%E2%80%99-because-we-are-not-fair?instance=home_opinion

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You give me statemets of Lincoln ………………….lying.

No, I gave you statements of Lincoln that shows how conflicted he truly was. Lincoln is not the example I would have used to drive that point home. There are likely much better choices available.

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Brosephus™

February 4th, 2013
9:23 am

If you are a black fraternaty you should have to admit a pecentage of whites that mirrors the campus racial makeup.

You can’t admit people who don’t apply to join your organization. That usually means they are not interested in joining. Why force someone to be a part of something they don’t want to belong to?
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That’s what Lestor Maddox was saying.
That chicken-frying resteraunt was HIS property.

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“It’s about men’s penchant for sexual misbehavior”

It isn’t even that. Sex is the weapon, but the “penchant” is for control over someone who is weaker. Rape..in any form, and regardless of the age of the victim, is a power play with sex as the weapon.

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Another degree for the “frog in the kettle”.

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“Another degree for the “frog in the kettle”.”

yep. soon gays will be treated like real people with real rights and EVERYthing

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Erwin’s cat: Having had knowledge is not what I care about. Having knowledge that they still, to this day, defend and protect the priests who engage in sexual assault is what I care about.

Continuing to remain a member despite all this is where I see more of a loyalty to false gods (the clergy and local groups) than faith. Or perhaps it is an attempt at societal acceptance. Part of the reason this country has separation of church and state is so that you don’t have to be brow-beaten into remaining with a corrupt religious group.

You don’t have to be a church goer to be faithful or to do good works. I see any monetary compensation to the Catholic Church as downright evil at this point, and any church going as being dishonest about Christianity in general.

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Heyward

The question would be whether they really wanted to go to Lester’s restaurant or not. Do you honestly know whether they did or did not? You’re getting closer though, I’ll give you that.

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Doesn’t anyone realize that sexual assault is bad, but that you’re more likely to get exactly that result by forcing people to repress themselves into adulthood?

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“Doubt that it will happen in my time as long as the attitudes exhibited on this blog continue.”

I disagree – I look at the amazing progress that’s already being made, with more people being comfortable being “out and proud” as well as the number of states that have legalized same-sex marriage. I think we’re making tremendous steps (but, I’m a glass half-full kinda gal)

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Adam – I get it….you don’t like all Catholics because of the behavior of a few…I get it.
At least admit your own bias against the church.

FWIW I was raised catholic, but don’t associate with the church and haven’t for quite sometime..all religions are a bit of a reach to me, but it works for some people and I don’t belittle them for it and don’t broad brush the majority because of the actions of a few.

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“That seems like exactly the right compromise”

What could possibly go wrong with allowing gay men to hang out with young boys?…. Geez….

And for the record, gay boys have been in the scouts for as long as there have been scouts. I’d prefer a “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy for the boys, but for the adults?????

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Gay scout creed:

“On my honor
to do my best
to do my duty
to bust that booty……………..”

Comedy at all times, folks.gotta hve fun.
Nobody will truthfully answer, but REALLY…HONEST QUESTION…. what is the difference between a gay scout and another guy at 13 in the same tent, and letting a boy and girl of that age be in the same tent…………………somebody wanna explain????

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Erwin: At least admit your own bias against the church.

Did I not?

Glad you are on the same page as I am for the most part. I no more blame people who are personally religious than I blame energy workers for power outages. It’s mismanagement at the top and treating employees like crap that causes that stuff. Sadly, the difference between religious organizations and private employment is that in this day and age you have more of a choice to leave your religion than you do to leave your job.

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Erwin’s cat
FWIW I was raised catholic, but don’t associate with the church and haven’t for quite sometime..all religions are a bit of a reach to me, but it works for some people and I don’t belittle them for it and don’t broad brush the majority because of the actions of a few.
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The Pope covered up for pedophile priests. Until the members of the Church
begin a movement to defrock the Pope, they deserve to be painted evil with
the same broad brush.

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DDR-I am the same way about organized religion. What started me down that path are the huge, empty, tax free buildings sitting empty except for a few hours on Sunday and Wednesday while homeless people are freezing to death.

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Strange world we live in. When I was young and in the Boy Scouts that was before anyone would ever have thought of coming out. I guess there were gays in grade school and high school when I was there but they didn’t admit it.
Don’t know how I would have felt knowing that some of the kids I knew were gay, especially on overnight trips scouting and with the baskeball team.

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“And for the record, gay boys have been in the scouts for as long as there have been scouts”

and, again, see my earlier story about the boy who qualified as an eagle scout, but was refused because he was gay. sorry, but that ain’t right.

“What could possibly go wrong with allowing gay men to hang out with young boys?”

nothing that couldn’t go wrong with allowing straight men to hang out with young boys.

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the dog

Always have wondered why churches don’t open their gyms and fellowship halls to homeless people during freezing weather.

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Skipper – for one thing, 13 year old girls can get pregnant.

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Granny, 9:58,

And there is not a damn thing in all of that rhetoric that states that you have to be tolerant of other people’s sexual choice. There are lots of people who still believe that homosexuality does not represent a moral choice. They have a right to that opinion just as you a have a right to yours. Why in the hell do liberals constantly believe that no one has a right to an opinion but them?

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Adam
I wouldn’t go that far. I would say that it’s a shame and not based on faith to remain in “the flock”
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Child rape is a crime. Conspiracy to cover it up is a crime. It is a sin and evil by Bible
standards.
A little bit more than a shame.

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This country could suddenly have lots and lots of cash if churches were taxed. Tax all the property except for the sanctuary, tax the gyms, church schools, the mansion the minister lives in, etc.

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Skipper

Nobody will truthfully answer, but REALLY…HONEST QUESTION…. what is the difference between a gay scout and another guy at 13 in the same tent, and letting a boy and girl of that age be in the same tent…………………somebody wanna explain????

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The difference? The number of penises in the tent.

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the dog – Wednesday while homeless people are freezing to death.

Let’s completely discount all the good work and charetiy for the homeless and weak that the church has done because of your slanted idea of justice for a few…burn’em all. Do you feel equal outrage towards Penn State grads too?

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skipper — “Joe Hussein Mama, Nope, nobody answered the question period………..no matter who asked it or how.”

Wrong. You got at least two answers. You clearly just didn’t like them.

“Again, (answer it your way if you want) what is the difference between a 13 year old gay scout in the tent with a boy and a 13 year old straight boy in the tent with a girl (say on some “scout-jubilee” or something. why don’t you answer that?”

Why don’t YOU answer it yourself, since you seem to have some sort of lecturey response all prepared for us already?

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Any group that allows openly gay men to be “volunteers” is just asking for trouble. I don’t think abused boys would take much comfort in knowing these gay men were admitted because of political correctness.

Its true. Common sense really is becoming less and less common.

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erwin-please tell us all the catholic church has done for the poor and homeless in Atlanta. We’ll wait.

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” I need to realize that there will always be narrow minded bigots like those who continually revel in their ignorance/arrogance. Just need to tune them out and focus on those moving forward.”

exactly – there are still racists … there are still sexists … but we as a society have come a long way. We have a ways to go (we’re not there, yet), but I think the world is a much better place for our kids than it was when I was a child.

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Hi Corbin!!

how’s the knee??

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While we’re bashing the Catholic Church let’s not forget about their role in helping Nazi’s escape to South America. Churches have a checkered past – for every good deed you can probably find at least a couple instances of outright nasty actions.

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To be perfectly fair, there is a big episcopal church in Buckhead that discontinued housing the homeless because the school rooms were begininning to smell like, well homeless people. The church? St. Phillips, sitting on gazillions of tax free property.

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You know, Boy Scouts founder Sir Robert Baden Powell was, more than likely, a closeted Homo. Not that that will matter to you men who think Gay=Pedophile. Read the article published last year in the NYTimes:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/20/opinion/scoutings-gay-founder.html

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Towncrier

“But they do, in the end, choose whether or not to be homosexual”

No more than you have CHOSEN to be or not to be heterosexual.

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“It also doesn’t take into account that men who prefer young boys are most always straight and always pedophiles.”

Please explain to all of us how a man who “prefers young boys” is “straight”, genius. You do know what the “B” in LGBT means, right?

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Towncrier — “But they do, in the end, choose whether or not to be homosexual.”

Your conclusive evidence for this assertion, please, “Sherlock.”

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Doggone: Repression does not ALWAYS lead to “that result”…it’s not even “more than likely” What is at least equally “more than likely”

Except I did not say “always” nor did I say “more than likely.”

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Child rape is a crime. Conspiracy to cover it up is a crime. It is a sin and evil by Bible
standards.

Yeah, except that church goers and members are not part of the conspiracy, but instead offering de facto acceptance and perhaps even condoning it. That is what I calla shame, and a sham.

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““But they do, in the end, choose whether or not to be homosexual.””

as opposed to … ??? what, getting married and having 2.5 kids and a dog, living in suburbia and making everyone miserable because they’re living a lie?

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Joe Hussein Mama,
Are you saying that even at age 13 boys and girls (at 4-h camp, for instance) should be in the same bunk? You are still dancin’………….and you have not answered.

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Towncrier – do a little research on pedophilies and you will learn something. Gay men are not more likely to molest boys. They are less likely to.

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Get back to me AFTER the FedCoats seize your 401K————

For quite some time now, I’ve been enviously looking in from the outside at what is easily the best 401(k) retirement plan in the country – The U.S. Government’s $254 billion Thrift Savings Plan (TSP).

Costs really matter – the 0.03 percent annual expense ratio compares to the 401(k) industry average expenses of 2.00 percent, as noted by a recent LA Times article by fellow blogger Kathy Kristof. To put the costs in perspective, the average 401(k) plan costs 67 times the amount of the TSP, and even my own portfolio is about five times more expensive. Hence the envy I have for this plan.

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But the TSP is better than 99.44% of civilian 401(k) plans that private employers offer. Like 401(k) plans, the TSP is a defined contribution plan that allows elective deferrals. The TSP shares the same contribution limits as 401(k) plans, and participation is optional. While matching contributions are authorized for certain military specialties, none is currently being funded.

Tiny costs, simple plan
What makes the TSP superior is its simplicity coupled with minuscule costs. All of the options in the TSP have annual administrative expenses of just 0.03%. That’s just $30 a year on a $100,000 account. Compare that to fees that could exceed $1,000 per year for 401(k) plans holding traditional mutual funds.

The TSP isn’t by any means perfect, but I’ll take my low cost retirement fund over paying out more than I keep over my lifetime anyday.

Per John Bogle, founder of Vanguard Mutual Fund:

So if I do your average, what percentage of my net growth is going to fees in a 401(k) plan?

Well, in the long run, it’s 80 percent to the financial system, 20 percent to you. In a given year, it’s about 80 percent to you and 20 percent to the financial system, so if you look at 10 years or 15 years, you’re probably talking about 60 percent to you and 40 percent to the financial system maybe over 20 years, something like that. But the longer the period, the greater the impact of that tyranny of compounding costs is.

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Brosephus – 10:03

Unfortunately, when I was in school, all my teachers looked like Ma Kettle.

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the dog
February 4th, 2013
10:34 am

Lets hope they would bring in a lot of money.
Because if our church was taxed at any type of substantial rate we would not be able to do many of the programs that we carry on 7 days a week. Ranging from a sexual abuse counseling group to AA and DAA groups for free. We also have a day care service that gives 7 children per age group free childcare for needy families. We wish we could do more but currently that is all we can sufficiently afford.

Also I cannot speak for others but my “priest” does not live in anything considered to be a mansion unless one sees a 2/1 as a mansion.

We all know some religions are bad and some churches are bad.
Being as absolute as you are about churches makes you appear as close minded and ignorant as those you speak so critically of.

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dog – not a bit. Focused on the opposite sex since day one. Do happen to know many gay folk and don’t like it when thier rights are stepped on. What about you?

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skipper — “Joe Hussein Mama, Are you saying that even at age 13 boys and girls (at 4-h camp, for instance) should be in the same bunk?”

Didn’t say it, didn’t think it.

“You are still dancin’……”

I can’t be dancing since I didn’t bother to answer your question.

“….and you have not answered.”

Just in case you haven’t been listening the other times I replied to you, I don’t *plan* to answer your question. I don’t owe you an answer and you’re not getting one from me. Clear?

So answer your question your ownself and give us that big honking lecture you seem to be dying to blast us with.

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RB: Does that make ANY sense?

Yes. But you clearly can’t see the difference. For example, your head will explode now if I say that openly gay men should be allowed to be priests.

You will never understand why this is different than sexual assault, because you think gay means “molests little boys.” You think those things are the same. You see no difference. And no amount of explaining will get you to understand the wide chasm between the two.

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“No, they do not.”

YES, they do.

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Stevie Ray

They gotta retire sometime.

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Speaking of child rape, I heard today that at one point the Vatican evaluated the idea of purchasing an island on which they would house those culprits…

Of course those crimes were or should have been predictable…that whole celebacy thing I think originally designed to reduce housing expenses, didn’t work out so well…

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RB from Gwinnett

February 4th, 2013
10:52 am

This is crazy. If I’m reading this right, the leftwind nuts here are attacking the Catholic church for their preists molesting young boys out of one side of their mouth while praising the Boy Scouts for letting homosexual men be scout leaders. Does that make ANY sense?
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Your inability to see the difference between the two scenarios makes no sense at all.

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Oscar

February 4th, 2013
10:56 am

I knew for sure of my tastes when only certain pictures generated wood..wasn’t really up for debate..

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Brosephus™

February 4th, 2013
10:52 am

Get back to me AFTER the FedCoats seize your 401K
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Yeah…………I’ll file that screed between “I’m from the government and I’m here to help” file and the “Social security LockBox” file.
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Towncrier: YES, they do

Sorry, but you’re wrong;. Actually I’m not sorry. But you are definitely wrong on this. It’s like you like denying reality sometimes, and think that being well spoken on a couple of issues makes your assertions correct on every single other issue.

Homosexuality is not a choice. It is inherent. Heterosexuality isn’t a choice either, it is inherent. And in neither case are you incapable of controlling your urges to the point where you cross over into sexual assault.

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Brosephus™

February 4th, 2013
10:52 am

Get back to me AFTER the FedCoats seize your 401K
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Yeah…………I’ll file that screed between “I’m from the government and I’m here to help” file and the “Social security LockBox” file.
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Or possibly that “wildly successful” TARP bailout file.
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Decisions …decisions…………..

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Towncrier: Your conclusive evidence for the contrary position, please, “Sherlock.”

Shifting the Burden of Proof. 15 yard penalty.

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Your inability to see the difference between the two scenarios makes no sense at all.

If you identify as a straight man and do not understand how an adult can not be attracted to a child, please stay the hell away from young girls. The problem is not gay men, it’s you.

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Here’s a gentle introduction to the science of why HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT A CHOICE:

http://www.truthwinsout.org/opinion/2011/10/19114/

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“owncrier – if you think everyone chooses at some point whether they will be gay or stright, tell us, at what point and when did you make the decision to become straight, and why did you decide to go that way?”

and, let’s face it … it’s a decision that you would have to make every single day.

so, tell us … do YOU make the decision every single day to go for the lady bits rather than the dangly bits???

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Towncrier — ““Your conclusive evidence for the contrary position, please, “Sherlock.”

I am pleased to accept your concession and surrender on this point. (laughing)

If the best you can do is come blasting into here with your opinion six-guns blazing, calling another poster “Sherlock” while advancing nothing but your own uninformed and partisan opinion on the topic — AS USUAL — then it doesn’t surprise me one little bit that you’re going to take the low road and suggest that you’re just too damn good to have to prove what you say.

Just take a hike, Towncrier. Just take a hike until you’re over your latest tantrum.

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“Homosexuality is not a choice. It is inherent.”

We both can’t be right on this – that is the pure logic of it. Why don’t start with something more fundamental? Since you believe in evolutionary theory, please explain to me just how homosexuality promotes the survival of the human species. Or yet, before that even, please provide testable evidence of speciation – the very foundation of evolution.

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Dr.Phil? You must be kidding.

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Towncrier: We both can’t be right on this

No, we can’t. You’re the one who’s wrong. Do a little light reading.

Since even the so called “theory” science behind evolution doesn’t even convince you, I doubt any other evidence will either. I just hope you live long enough to look back and find just how wrong you were on both issues.

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Reading thru the posts, it still seems many conservatives consider compromise to be a foreign concept. But there are some bright exceptions. Congrats to you.

Towncrier

” But they do, in the end, choose whether or not to be homosexual. ”

We’ve been thru this before, but you always avoid responding on point. What peer-reviewed studies can you cite to support that. Anecdotal stories from Dr. Phil don’t count. Neither do guests on Jerry Springer.

On a related note, Dr. Robert Spitzer, whose work formed the basis for reparative therapy, has repudiated his study, calling it ‘flawed.’ Additionally, “he American Psychological Association created a Task Force on Appropriate Therapeutic Responses to Sexual Orientation which reviewed the relevant research literature.

In 2009, the Task Force reported that it found “serious methodological problems in this area of research, such that only a few studies met the minimal standards for evaluating whether psychological treatments, such as efforts to change sexual orientation, are effective” (p. 2).

Based on its review of the studies that met these standards, the Task Force concluded that “[E]nduring change to an individual’s sexual orientation is uncommon. The participants in this body of research continued to experience same-sex attractions following SOCE [sexual orientation change efforts] and did not report significant change to other-sex attractions that could be empirically validated, though some showed lessened physiological arousal to all sexual stimuli. Compelling evidence of decreased same-sex sexual behavior and of engagement in sexual behavior with the other sex was rare. Few studies provided strong evidence that any changes produced in laboratory conditions translated to daily life. ”

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_changing.html

Your continued relating of objections to being gay, expounding on some aspects of sexual behavior engaged in by some males, with never a reference to female practices, is cause for concern. You might consider, that in the US military, according to the Uniformed Code of Military Justice (and yes, of course I can provide a cite if you really need it) a guy getting a BJ from a woman is considered a courts-martial offense.

But you know, all those Republican commanders-in-chief we had just disregarded their oath of office and ignored the laws they didn’t like….

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“Please explain to all of us how a man who “prefers young boys” is “straight”, genius. You do know what the “B” in LGBT means, right?”

The other day Towncrier told me if I’d do some ‘goolging’ I would find some answers that supported his point of view. I did, but what I found didn’t support his point of view at all. One of the first things I discovered was that real studies determined that most child molesters aren’t considered to be “gay” or “straight”, they get their sexual stimulation from having sex with children.

Of course Towncrier thinks gay people can be converted. Religious people like James Dobson of Focus on the Family have their own gay to straight conversion therapies. James Dobson believes that getting young boys to do “manly” things like sports can cure them. He also thinks small boys should shower with their dads so the kid can see the dad’s manliness. Sick.

I wonder why George Rekers also with Focus on the Family was never cured. He was caught traveling with a young man. Can you imagine how many times Reverend Ted Haggard tried to pray the gay away? Yet Towncrier insists its all just a choice.

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skipper — “No lecture, joe hussein , You are just blastin’ crap with no opinion either way. I do not think (obviously, you moron) ”

I don’t care about your question or most of what you have to say. That said, directly calling another poster a “moron” is quite a good way to get oneself disinvited from this board.

I’m going to suggest that you do two things that will be of immense benefit to you:

1) stop pursuing me for an answer, because I’ve already told you twice that I don’t care to give you one.

2) stop calling other posters “moron” or else risk Jay expelling you from the board entirely.

Have a nice day, skipper.

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“Since you believe in evolutionary theory, please explain to me just how homosexuality promotes the survival of the human species.”

how about this: homosexuality is found in nearly 2000 species

sex isn’t JUST for procreation … it’s also kind of fun and promotes the same kind of bonding as heterosexual sex

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Towncrier

February 4th, 2013
11:07 am

What does misplaced chromosomes have to do with the survival of the human species? Nature is not perfect. To my way of thinking, God made Gays just like He made you.

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“I am pleased to accept your concession and surrender on this point.”

ROFL. Only in your mind, Hussein. Since you apparently assert the opposite and cannot provide the very sort of evidence you therefore hypocritically asked for, you are only laughing at yourself. Try using something other than a carnival mirror.

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Does it really matter the origins of homosexuality? IMO, it’s the asexuals that go postal…of course if we wanted to end most aggression in ME, we need to get the men over there laid.

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“God made Gays just like He made you.”

only with a little more style.

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Towncrier: ROFL. Only in your mind, Hussein. Since you apparently assert the opposite and cannot provide the very sort of evidence

JHM: Notice how he just glossed right over provided evidence? I assume it’s because he’d rather argue with someone he thinks he is winning with.

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Towncrier — “Since you apparently assert the opposite and cannot provide the very sort of evidence you therefore hypocritically asked for”

Coward. Dilettante.

You *directly* presented an assertion. You were *directly* asked for proof. You *directly* refused to do so.

Your excuse? ‘Oh, you apparently asserted the counterfactual, so you have to go first.’

GMAB.

Man up, son. You made an assertion, you’ve been asked for proof here more than once and you can’t be bothered. And when pressed, you continue to try to shift the burden of proof to others.

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Check this out…do you suppose the gay bats are discriminated against?

The presence of same-sex sexual behaviour was not scientifically observed on a large scale until recent times. Homosexual behaviour does occur in the animal kingdom outside humans, especially in social species, particularly in marine birds and mammals, monkeys, and the great apes. Homosexual behaviour has been observed among 1,500 species, and in 500 of those it is well documented.[48]

To turn the approach on its head: No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist, with the exception of species that never have sex at all, such as sea urchins and aphis. Moreover, a part of the animal kingdom is hermaphroditic, truly bisexual. For them, homosexuality is not an issue.

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Brosephus™

February 4th, 2013
11:04 am

Heyward

You pay whatever you choose to for your bloated 401k costs. You have the freedom to allow yourself to get robbed by the financial industry. I won’t allow anybody to infringe on your freedom to get hosed.
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Does that freedom extend to my Healthcare?
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KUTGF — “Towncrier does not believe in evolution but it is his basis for claiming a denial of the nature of homosexuality?”

Yeah, isn’t that neat? (laughing)

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Debbie, RE: Caramel Ice Cream. You can take a can of sweetened condensed milk and boil it in a pot for 3 hours. Yes, you boil the unopened can! Then make your fave ice cream and pour the cooled contents of the canned milk in once the ice cream begins to freeze. Or just pour it over regular ice cream.

Two of my fave topics: Food and Gay Rights!

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Towncrier — “Since homosexuals cannot naturally PROCREATE, genius, how does such a “variation” promote the survival of our species?”

Of *course* they can reproduce. Are you trying to claim that homosexuals are *sterile?*

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@Towncrier

Because gay people are born of straight parents. It literally cannot be bred out of existence.

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skipper — “Joe H Mamma, Go cryin’ to Jay……………….:(”

Act like an adult or don’t bother to talk to me.

I told you at least twice that I wasn’t answering your question, and you responded by calling me a “moron.”

Grow up, skipper.

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“You *directly* presented an assertion. You were *directly* asked for proof. You *directly* refused to do so.”

You directly and hypocritically asked for definitive proof knowing no one has any on either side of this argument, unable to do the very thing you were asking me to do.

Simpleton. Hypocrite.

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“Act like an adult or don’t bother to talk to me.”

That goes for you too, Sherlock.

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Towncrier

You silly! Homosexuals can most certainly procreate naturally.

Egg and Sperm. Nature dude.

The fact that one may be donated doesn’t make it any less “natural”

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It is to show people like Adam, who DO believe in evolution, that it is a “bad mutation” and therefore should not LOGICALLY be supported. Totally irrational from his point of view.

A failure on your part TC. While I doubt that the entire human race would become same sex orientated, it does not prove that it is a “bad mutation” that logically means it must be “choice.” In fact, it may be simply a “on/off” switch in a DNA chain does not get switched. Your logic is flawed and not supported.

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Tell the Boy Scouts of America: Don’t surrender your honor
http://www.tfpstudentaction.org/what-we-do/news-and-updates/boy-scouts-of-america-dont-surrender-your-honor.html

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I honestly have no idea if one chooses to be gay or not.
My opinion is that we are born as sexual creatures prone to all types of sexual arousal as evident by the many freaky things people both hetro and homo engage in. Events early in life may plant deep subliminal instincts in each of us. But I know that I strongly feel it is not a conscience choice.

Now is it a nature or nurture thing I don’t know. I’m straight don’t know when I decided to be straight.
All of my friends who happen to be gay except 3 say they did not choose to be gay. The 3 who did all seem to place the blame on a past relationship in one way or another. The 3 is by far the minority.

If it is not a choice is it a genetic trait?
Is it just chalked up as one of the mysteries of the brain we may never know for sure?

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“it is a “bad mutation” and therefore should not LOGICALLY be supported. Totally irrational from his point of view.”

You truly have no understanding of evolution…

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Towncrier — “That goes for you too, Sherlock.”

Says the guy who *came in here* calling others “Sherlock.”

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Towncrier – 11:24

If you’ve already made up your mind, and don’t want to be confused by the facts, then this probably won’t help you.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/01/homosexuality-genetics-usa

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If you do not agree with Crier then you are wrong.You know my way or no way.He’s that way regardless of the moniker.

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“The ignorance that it is a choice is Saturday Night Live comedy, it is so stupid.”

It is a choice and your 33000 scientists can not prove other wise–unless emotion is a proof.

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They took my picture for the Dallas Morning news with coach Gene Stallings in my cub scout uniform.

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“Contrary to the feminizing of homosexual males, I
have known several homosexual men who could and would
kick @$$ if necessary.”

I know some women who can do the same but what is your point?

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Did Erwin’s cat morph into Towncrier or just disappear into the box ?

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“They took my picture for the Dallas Morning news with coach Gene Stallings in my cub scout uniform.”

Did it fit him?

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Towncrier, next Tuesday is “Prove Sexual Orientation is a Choice Day”

Lets help prove it, join us. Tuesday only, you will wake up and choose to be gay, Wednesday its back to being straight. Who needs science, we can easily prove it ourselves. Lets show the liberal, brainwashed, pc public that sexual orientation is like turning a switch on or off. Be careful though, don’t take it all the way, you’ll have to use some control. I’d say french kissing is the limit.

How about it, Towncrier? You ready to prove it once and for all? You in?

(Btw, I call dibs on Tom Brady.)

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“Did it fit him?”

No but my Grandfather was a Texas Scout Leader and when he passed many came to his funeral and talked about how much he helped them become better men and gave him a final Scout salute.

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“Bad mutations happen whether *you* think they’re logical or not. Evolutionary changes don’t follow some sort of ultimately beneficial roadmap.”

How stupid. Homosexuality is NOT an adaptation that contributes to the fitness and survival of the human species. To therefore support it, AS YOU DO, is ILLOGICAL (not the mutations, ROFL).

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“Homosexuality is NOT an adaptation that contributes to the fitness and survival of the human species.”

neither does blue eyes or attached ear lobes or color blindness … yet, there they are.

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Unless the Boy Scouts are receiving federal funds, the President and other politicians should keep their mouth shut and let the PRIVATE enterprise and their supporters make that decision. By the way, I would make that same comment if Bush or Reagan were the President! Leave the gays alone to live in their own world but do not force us(who disagree with them) to interact with their lifestyle!

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Homosexuality is NOT an adaptation that contributes to the fitness and survival of the human species.

Why do some people think screaming “IS NOT!!!” constitutes a logical point?

And more importantly, is there a gene for this, and can we breed it out of humans?

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tom,

CBS asked the question so our President’s answered.

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Tom-you are surrounded by gay folks and just do not know it. Are you really that narrow minded? According to your handle, you are former military. Do you think all your comapatriots were straight?

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Tom( Viet Vet-USAF)

February 4th, 2013
11:50 am

Unless the Boy Scouts are receiving federal funds, the President and other politicians should keep their mouth shut and let the PRIVATE enterprise and their supporters make that decision. By the way, I would make that same comment if Bush or Reagan were the President! Leave the gays alone to live in their own world but do not force us(who disagree with them) to interact with their lifestyle!

But, Tom, it makes these folks feel soooo much better…supporting the Prez and all that he does. Of course, they shouldn’t be bothered about unemployment, $16 trillion in debt or a shrinking economy! They would much rather focus on peripheral issues such as gays in Scouts. It deflects from the failed administration they so worship!

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“Homosexuality is NOT an adaptation that contributes to the fitness and survival of the human species.”

Google “Men with older brothers more likely to be gay.”

Being gay could be a natural population control. The study shows sexual orientation is probably determined prenatal.

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President Obama has nothing to do with the Boy Scouts decision. He has a right to voice his opinion just like anyone else. The Supreme Court already ruled on the issue.

What do you guys have against the 1st Amendment?

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down in

Makes you feel a lot better yourself with the typical con narrative about president obama, correct? Nobody that I know is “worshipping” him but we do have a lot of sympathy for the man knowing full well that he has to deal with the looney tune faction in the house whereby the idea of actually governing, is a foreign exercise…

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“Since homosexuals cannot naturally PROCREATE, genius, how does such a “variation” promote the survival of our species?””

Actually they can, just not with each other. And “survival” of our species is just as dependent on the existence of the availablity of “Aunts/Uncles” as are such species as wolves. Aunts/Uncles are generally non-breeding members who nevertheless contribute to the continuation of their “pack” – and thus their species – by assisting the breeding members to more effectively raise their young to adulthood and potential breeding status.

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Here’s a good read on the subject…

http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/born-gay

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[...] PollHuffington PostObama: Drop Gay Ban, Boy ScoutsDaily BeastChristian Science Monitor -Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog) -Washington Post (blog)all 404 news [...]

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we must end exclusion in every place, every way, every form….
but
i think a more important place to start is breaking the barrier of only idiots are
allowed in the BHO admin (starting with BHO himself) and start letting in some folks with common sense LOL

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“Homosexuality is NOT an adaptation that contributes to the fitness and survival of the human species.”

This is not necessarily true. Why do you think so?

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“And yeah, knowing that means I probably have a nerd gene.”

the mister and I totally got our nerd on last night watching Brian Cox do a lecture at the Royal Society last night (love me some BBC!!) …

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“and elephants, lions and other societal animals”

Yep, them too!

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“Kind of sad news to read about our record setting sniper being shot and killed himself. I guess its a case of live by the gun, die by the gun…”

gosh, if ONLY there was a “good guy with a gun” around, then this couldn’t have happened … oh, wait … nevermind.

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love me some BBC!

And you get the non-’Mericanized version…..I have TV envy.

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Dog & USinUK- Look, whatever consenting adults wish to do with each other is their own business, as long as no children are involved! But do not try to force things upon us. It makes me wonder if Pres Obama was asked about this issue as Getalife says, why was not former President’s Bush or Reagan asked also. Dog, to be completely honest, it was a different world back then. It would have been very dangerous for a gay person to come out. That does not necessarily make it right, but that was just the way it was in the real world then. Some of you folks(as Bill would say) mean well but live in fantasy worlds.

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getalife — “Gay marriage killed the dinosaurs”

Was there not a Far Side or a similar cartoon that conjectured just this very thing?

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“the fear was that gay marriage would eventually lead to human + dinosaur marriage”

there you go … if gay marriage is outlawed, only mammoths will marry.

um.

or something.

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Aqua – if you are truly a nerdling, then look up Brian Cox …

at any rate, here is a bit of what we watched

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QboBGoAuf8A

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USinUK – former Girl Scout
February 4th, 2013
12:01 pm

It’s more than just the ability to coordinate my dashing good looks with trend setting fashion….

As tough as I act when I get sick or hurt I’m a big baby and only the loving touch of a woman can do in those times.

Anyway no matter how fabulous a dude is still a dude. As much as I love my boys I can only be around my friends for so long not to mention every day for the rest of my life.

I know it you know us boys are stupid and we say and talk about dumb things. We all know if left alone for longer than a week or a weekend if Vegas, south beach etc and our friends will hurt us or we will hurt our friends. Something about Y chromosomes. Against regardless of how fabulous.

Always needed the ladies to keep me calm and safe!

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Governor Rick Perry of Texas said a few days ago the Boy Scouts should keep the gay ban. He has just as much right to express his opinion as Obama. Its not a bfd.

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“As tough as I act when I get sick or hurt I’m a big baby and only the loving touch of a woman can do in those times.”

my darling, we XX-ers call that “man flu”

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As long as the BSA doesn’t require celebacy thingy, I don’t think we have much to worry about.

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USinUK – former Girl Scout
February 4th, 2013
12:29 pm

It’s worse than the normal flu I’m telling you I’ve had it!

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@ Corbin, thanks for the link, recently read about another more recent study that concluded that more “feminine” men are more likely to find women mates and to proxcreate more often, ,the more “masculine” women are more aggressive and are able to find more male mates. It is when a series of combinations of various genes are combined that homosexuality occurrs. Expression of a limited number of these genes allows for the heterosexual-”more likely to procreate ” characteristics to predominatre… This agrees with your article reporting on studies where there are homosexuals and the overall profundity of the family is increased, interesting material…..

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An epiphany for me, Barney the dog influenced the
world more than I will, in all likelihood.

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S. Ray — “So if I refer to one as a mutant, this is not necessarily a libelous statement…perhaps a complement as compared to one who hasn’t mutated?”

Depends on how well you know the mutant to whom you are speaking, I suppose.

For example, you should probably be good friends with this guy before calling him a mutant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolverine_(character)

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Shorter Towncrier:

Bad mutation! no biscuit!

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““Love the idiot, hate the idiocy””

I prefer “love the idiot, educate the idiocy” … which is why so many of us are here, trying to do what we can.

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What exactly has the NFL said is wrong with our stadium that needs to be corrected before we get another “big game”?

It’s in Atlanta.

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USinUK

Are you saying you’re a switch hitter?

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“I prefer “love the idiot, educate the idiocy””

How’s that working out with Towncrier???

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danny – “never try to teach a pig to tap dance – it just frustrates you and irritates the pig”

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JB: This is off topic, but maybe you could do some actual journalism work with this for a change

Because when you start off insulting the host, I am sure they just have ooooodles of desire to help you out.

Why do so many of the posters who show no respect for Jay continue to visit daily? I have no respect for Hannity. I have no desire to visit his website, to read his inane comments or to do anything to support him.

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at any rate, here is a bit of what we watched

Wow, actual quantum mechanics? Here they just would have screened “The Secret.”

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Interesting replies all, but shouldn’t we all be able to answer that question before a billion dollars is spent replacing a stadium there is nothing wrong with? And where is the media demanding answers from Deal, Reed, and everybody else before we spend a dime? No memo from the NFL, no quotes from anybody at the NFL, no nothing but some unofficial comments saying the NFL won’t give us the game without a new stadium. It makes no sense.

And if a “refurb” gets the Superdome the game, “refurb” the GA Dome to fix whatever is on this mythical list nobody can produce.

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@ erwin, who paid for the “refurb”? in NO…Nagin’s buddies??

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We took a camping trip 50 miles on the Brazoz river in a canoe.

The problem was a drought dried up the river so we carried the canoe most of the way.

It was still fun and part of growing up to be a man in Texas was being a Scout.

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Donovan, you cannot disagree with the liberals that respond here. They think you are a radical but at the same time they call you a jackass. You are wasting your time but at least you are trying. You are not a jackass either! That’s uncalled for even if you agree or disagree on here.

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And for the record:

1) No one has said the Superdome needs anything to get another Superbowl
2) The taxpayers of the entire country paid for the upgrades, because of threats to move the Saints elsewhere if the feds didn’t pony up.

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We could use a new 1.2 billion dome.

The 49 ers are building a new stadium and will get the Super Bowl.

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getalife

take it as a compliment – they probably wanted to leave “well enough” alone!

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@ Adam, so you say the federal govt. paid for the upgrade in NO, say it ain’t so, please….

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Brosephus..Lincoln cared nothing about the black race..he, infact, believed the two races would never get along. He was, however, responsible for the bloddest war this country has ever experienced – over $700,000 lives – equate that to 5,000,000 as a percentage of todays population – he was also responsible for many of those deaths as he was a micro manager and knew what was going on in the battle field as well as the raping and piligaging by the Norther army – including blacks who he cared nothing about. Lincoln shattered the constitution by using military might and could have prevented such savagery. After the war, he was responsible for keeping the South in poverty, including blacks of the South. the whole argument about Lincoln freeing slaves was a political ploy to gain support for such savagery. the emancipation proclamation only freed some slaves, not all and it even kept those in certain Louisiana Parishes in slavery due to Lincoln rewarding some of his rich norther benefactors that were absentee slave holders…Lincoln was not the great person the press and folks such as yourself make him out to be.

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Joe Hussein Mama

February 4th, 2013
12:34 pm

Classic

Re Falcons, seems to me that the majority of NFL towns will never get a Superbowl….I’m not sure one can argue against Blanks math but what exactly to do we do with perfectly comfortable and loud, at least during winning seasons, Dome?

How certain is it that the additional hotel tax etcetera will generate reciepts suggested?

Why not simply install retractible sun roof in GA Dome?

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Corbin@1:14 – “Can’t we all just get along”?

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As I Granny says “They can be fixed”

Lorena Bobbit sure tired to do her part!!
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Tom – I DID say a couple of hour didn’t i? Forgive me – I’m female so I automatically think that any tryst would happen more than once. I forgot about SOME male’s penchant for loving the one night stand. My apologies!

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steve,

Hate much?

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What people like steve d need to understand, that before they are gay, boys and girls are boys and girls. They are men and women and like straights, their sexual appetites do not define their very existence.

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DebbieDoRight – A Do Right Woman

February 4th, 2013
1:27 pm

As I have beaten into my 3 girls, men are all pigs…we don’t mean it as it is simply the way we are wired..

steve draughon

February 4th, 2013
1:30 pm

What is “holy” these days?
What are you afraid of? Do you happen to own a AR-15?

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I think we have a warped perception of “compromise” in this country. Say I have a cake. You come up to me and say “gimme that cake.” I say no, you go get your own cake. So you say “Let’s compromise. Give me half of your cake.”

So you gained 1/2 a cake, I lost 1/2 a cake and we call that compromise? Nice. So let’s compromise on taxes, gun control and entitlement programs – one side gives, the other side gets – and call it compromise.

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drudgey,

Let them eat cake.

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“I “fixed” you.”

getalife,

The liberals are here to neuter America.

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steve draughon

February 4th, 2013
1:44 pm

ITS SICK and DISGUSTING and they should all be sent to the island of misfits
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So you’ve never practiced sodomy (full definition) with a woman because it’s sick and disgusting?

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hey getalife I’m not screaming i’m just telling the truth. If they feel the need to infiltrate an organization then let them join the catholic church wher they’ll feel right at home

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Steve

“.Let them start their own club and leave the Boy Scouts alone.”

I’ll bet you or your dad said the same thing about Catholic kids or Black kids, too, eh?

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“So you say “Let’s compromise. Give me half of your cake.””

You have such a warped idea of what compromise even MEANS

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they should all be sent to the island of misfits

I remember that Christmas special! Funny thing about childhood, you never see the subtext.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgHCZWoMwm4

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s. draughon — “ITS SICK and DISGUSTING”

So’s open-heart surgery; you want to ban that, too?

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“I am not homophobic but I do believe being homosexual is a choice for adults over 21 years old like the choice to drink responsibly or not”

Can you remember when you chose to be heterosexual and not homosexual?

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CC

Oh sure, that was a personal letter from a father to a son that just happened to find its way to Patriot Post (eye roll).

Is the father not aware that a driving factor in the Scout’s decision to reconsider this was input from hundreds of Eagle Scouts who pushed to end the discrimination?

Does not the father understand that his son’s flight commander at the US Air Force Academy, his Commandant, his firs squadron commander on active duty, future wing commander, future chief of staff could all be one of ‘those people’?

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Is the father not aware that a driving factor in the Scout’s decision to reconsider this was input from hundreds of Eagle Scouts who pushed to end the discrimination?

You have supporting documentation, I suppose?

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“Is the father not aware that a driving factor in the Scout’s decision to reconsider this was input from hundreds of Eagle Scouts who pushed to end the discrimination?”

Oh, I am SURE that a veritable DELUGE of letters, telephone calls and telegrams came from “hundreds of Eagle Scouts” demanding that homosexuals be welcomed! (Sarcasm very much intended!)

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Very likely, Eagle scouts realize that sexual orientation had nothing at all to do with their journey to Eagle scout status.

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Gale

And just as we saw with the controversy before the end of don’t ask, don’t tell in the military, the fathers’ and grandfathers’ attitudes were waaaayyyyyy behind that of their kids who were actually living in the institutions under consideration.

sheets -

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So if you thought Romney would win last November, you are wrong about everything! That’s typically how it goes on this loonie leftie blog!

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After the war, he was responsible for keeping the South in poverty, including blacks of the South.

NOT TRUE. About a week after the war, Lincoln was MURDERED! that’s history 101. How could he have been responsible for something he wasn’t even around to implement?

the whole argument about Lincoln freeing slaves was a political ploy to gain support for such savagery. the emancipation proclamation only freed some slaves

More BS — Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation AFTER the south declared war. Yes it did not include all slaves, but it DID include the slaves that were in rebellion against the US at the time.

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Petitions for Change.org. You mean the ones that get paid to host the petitions? Oh, OK!

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[...] membership 2/4/13 Days of   Because some will ask, I got as far as Life Scout. from AJC, Atlanta blog of Jay Bookman [...]

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Where it is embraced, it will destroy Scouting. Check Canada – they tried it a few years ago. Is anybody going to send their son to Philmont for two weeks with a pedophile?

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I don’t understand why more conservatives aren’t in support of gay marriage and abortions… there have to be some agnostic conservatives somewhere!

The government shouldn’t be telling people who they can/cannot marry
The government shouldn’t be telling women what they can/cannot do with their bodies

Why is this such a weird concept?

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I think I will become Cathlic or morman. They
seem to have moral values like I do. Keep the ban and god in scouting.

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[...] and Scouts on both sides of the debate are …The Boy Scouts bigotry policyMinnesota DailyBoy Scouts prepare to compromise on gay membershipAtlanta Journal Constitution (blog)Parents pressed Scouts on gay banBend [...]

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