Boy Scouts prepare to compromise on gay membership

Leaders of the Boy Scouts of America will vote this week on whether to ease the group’s long-standing, ironclad ban on allowing gay boys to become members and gay adults to serve as volunteers.

Under the proposal, organizations such as churches and civic clubs that sponsor Boy Scout troops and Cub Scout packs would be able to decide for themselves what policy to set. No local group would be forced to admit gay members and adults, in violation of its conscience or comfort zone; likewise, no group will be forced to ban or oust gay members and adults, which BSA policy now requires.

That seems like exactly the right compromise, given the range of geographic, religious and cultural communities that Scouting serves. After all, what works in Utah may not work in Minnesota. It also may not be as simple as it might sound — troops meet often in regional, state and even national events, creating the potential for continued cultural conflicts. However, part of the role of Scouting should be to teach young boys how to overcome such differences.

As a veteran of many a Scout jamboree, not to mention weekly meetings in dank church basements, I still feel a deep personal connection to and affection for the organization, and would welcome this important step forward. While others may not be as supportive, time does and must change things.

(Because some will ask, I got as far as Life Scout, one rank below Eagle, before our troop in suburban Pittsburgh fell apart quickly in what — in hindsight — may have been a covered-up abuse scandal. My military family was transferred to an airbase in Italy shortly thereafter, and that was the end of Scouting for my brother and I. But by then, to be honest, girls and other distractions had begun to pull my attention away anyway.)

– Jay Bookman

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Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 4th, 2013
8:34 am

“…But by then, to be honest, girls and other distractions had begun to pull my attention away anyway.)”

So Jay, you went into girl scouting then… :)

Jm

February 4th, 2013
8:38 am

“troops meet often in regional, state and even national events, creating the potential for continued cultural conflicts.”

they’ll handle it just fine

“However, part of the role of Scouting should be to teach young boys how to overcome such differences.”

It already does.

Jm

February 4th, 2013
8:39 am

“I got as far as Life Scout”

Slacker. :)

the dog

February 4th, 2013
8:42 am

Could this sudden change of heart have anything at all to do with the files on abuse charges being opened? Naw-of course not.

Paul

February 4th, 2013
8:44 am

See what can happen when Spkr Boehner’s and the far Right’s philosophy of “I will not say ‘compromise’ philosophy is rejected?

BTW – thanks to Jay and members of this blog. Late last week a Facebook friend linked to one of those anti-gay Scout adverts. After reading some of the comments and the implicaitons, I did a quick summary of the main points presented I’d read here: homosexual does not equal pedophile, heterosexual does not equal pedophile, a predator is a predator, and finally the observation the Scout abuse scandal involved heterosexual adults. One person did come back with “if they want their own troop, let them form their own troop” to which was noted it wasn’t all that many years ago when the same thing was said about Catholic youth and Black youth. Then the conversation ended.

So thanks again for the ideas presented. Hopefully they encouraged others to reconsider their knee-jerk first responses.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 4th, 2013
8:48 am

A great compromise! If only our Congress could follow that example………..

stands for decibels

February 4th, 2013
8:48 am

“However, part of the role of Scouting should be to teach young boys how to overcome such differences.”

It already does.

Yep. And I’ll add, if a workable solution is presented to such conflicts in the future, I suspect it’s more likely to originate from the Scouts themselves then from the grown-ups.

Granny Godzilla

February 4th, 2013
8:51 am

The Girl Scouts (former sr. patrol leader myself) were way ahead on this issue.

uttered in that exasperated tone we women are so proud of …..

“Men!”

barking frog

February 4th, 2013
8:53 am

The Scouts should be totally gender integrated as our Military is
but they should retain the age separation.

Lord Help Us

February 4th, 2013
8:53 am

How long before we see the obligatory, ‘I was kicked out of cub scouts’ joke…

stands for decibels

February 4th, 2013
8:53 am

not that it’s the least bit on topic, but just in passing I must note:

My military family was transferred to an airbase in Italy shortly thereafter,

I was utterly unaware of this phase of Jay’s dolce vita.

(or maybe it wasn’t so dolce. but it’s nice to think it was.)

/drive-by

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 4th, 2013
8:55 am

No local group would be forced to admit gay members and adults, in violation of its conscience or comfort zone; likewise, no group will be forced to ban or oust gay members and adults, which BSA policy now requires.

It is a move in the right direction. Still it is time that we provide that no discrimination should be supported by any charitable organization, any organization receiving govt funds or any organization involved in interstate commerce.

barking frog

February 4th, 2013
8:56 am

How do they determine that a scout is gay ?

Jay

February 4th, 2013
8:56 am

sfd, my Italian sojourn only amounted to a few months. Because there was no American high school nearby, I got shipped off to a boarding school in Munich run by the Department of Defense.

Not anywhere near as bad as it might sound …. :>)

Real Scootter

February 4th, 2013
8:58 am

Lord Help Us

February 4th, 2013
8:53 am

The devil made me do it!

Brosephus™

February 4th, 2013
8:59 am

that was the end of Scouting for my brother and I. But by then, to be honest, girls and other distractions had begun to pull my attention away anyway.

Late bloomer….. You got much farther than I did, but I was younger when my troop fell apart.

Progressive, Liberal, Lefty

February 4th, 2013
9:00 am

They have a choice. They can change with the times, or they can remain on the wrong side of history with the likes of Rand Paul, John McCain and Lindsey ‘Ladybird’ Graham.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 4th, 2013
9:00 am

Jay — “My military family was transferred to an airbase in Italy shortly thereafter, and that was the end of Scouting for my brother and I. But by then, to be honest, girls and other distractions had begun to pull my attention away anyway.)”

Well, now, wouldn’t Italy be a nice place to start scouting for ladies, so to speak. :D

barking frog

February 4th, 2013
9:00 am

A teenager in Munich without Mom and Dad……..Party time!

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 4th, 2013
9:01 am

Won State Pinewood Derby as a Webolo,
But thank God………even as a kid, I thought that costume crap was a little creepy.
.
I was drummed out for cutting my pants off and not wearing my costume to school and ……….I’m alright with that.

TaxPayer

February 4th, 2013
9:03 am

Ah yes. The memories of target shooting, at Boy Scout summer camp, with the .22 caliber bolt-action single-shot rifle. If only we had known of the advantages of a .223 automatic with a 100-round magazine back then. We could have ruled, er, um, I mean, FED, the WORLD at a much earlier age. Anyway, I’d bet scout and company still have that wet dream, nightly, after their glass of warm milk soothes them into a blissful sleep.

alittlecommonsense

February 4th, 2013
9:04 am

I’m not so wild about openly gay adult leaders. As a man, I would not be allowed to be a girl scout leader. Would I be tempted by a 14 year old girl? No. If you put a hundred men in that position though, one of them would. If you put a thousand of them in that position, several would. Therefore the Girl Scouts rightly don’t allow male scout masters. Why should we expect gay males to behave better than straight males? They won’t – It’s putting the children at risk for nothing more than political correctness.

TaxPayer

February 4th, 2013
9:05 am

How do they determine that a scout is gay ?

Morse code, perhaps.

Doggone/GA

February 4th, 2013
9:05 am

“They won’t – It’s putting the children at risk for nothing more than political correctness”

Because, OF COURSE, they are currently at NO RISK whatsoever…right?

Lord Help Us

February 4th, 2013
9:05 am

‘wouldn’t Italy be a nice place to start scouting for ladies, so to speak.’

If you like sideburns…j/k…

Lee

February 4th, 2013
9:06 am

“No local group would be forced to admit gay members and adults, in violation of its conscience or comfort zone…”

BS and you know it Jay.

“…our troop in suburban Pittsburgh fell apart quickly in what — in hindsight — may have been a covered-up abuse scandal…”

So, your troup was destroyed by a homosexual pedophile and you still defend homo’s being Scout leaders? Nice.

Nothing prevented homo’s from creating their own group and they could have catered to the San Francisco crowd, but no, their intent was to destroy any group with a traditional morality code.

Nice going Jay. What are y’all going to screw up next?

kayaker 71

February 4th, 2013
9:06 am

Is there no private organization in this country that does not have to bend to the will of the politically correct? How can the inclusion of gay members enhance scouting? Teaching tolerance for someone elses point of view? What happened to the point of view that private organizations set their own rules? That’s sort of what private means. For many years now, the Scouts have survived very well under their own rules, just as Augusta survived very well without having female members. Tolerance of other people’s views has it’s limits. If the Scouts or Augusta received government funding, or accepted taxpayer dollars for support, perhaps you have a point. Until they do, they should be able to set their own rules, like it or not.

Jay

February 4th, 2013
9:06 am

Barking, as it turned out, at the height of the Cold War the DoD had higher priorities than closely monitoring high school students placed in its care. Go figure, huh?

TaxPayer

February 4th, 2013
9:07 am

How do they determine that a scout is gay ?

Choice of merit badges, maybe.

the dog

February 4th, 2013
9:07 am

alittlecommonsense-you do know there are lesbian scout leaders, no?

Granny Godzilla

February 4th, 2013
9:07 am

alittlecommonsense

The Girl Scouts DO allow male leaders.

sheeeez…..Men!

Joe Hussein Mama

February 4th, 2013
9:09 am

K71 — “What happened to the point of view that private organizations set their own rules? That’s sort of what private means. For many years now, the Scouts have survived very well under their own rules, just as Augusta survived very well without having female members.”

That’s great, except that for years the Scouts have received the benefit of DoD support, to include the use of camping, orienteering and meeting facilities for some of their functions. So if the BSA’s enjoying government largesse and gifties like that, it’s no longer a ‘private organization operating under its own rules.’

the dog

February 4th, 2013
9:09 am

Lee-most of the alleged sex abuse came at the hands of otherwise heterosexuals. YOu know, married to women but molesting little boys.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 4th, 2013
9:13 am

As a man, I would not be allowed to be a girl scout leader.

Actually you are completely wrong. As a man you can be a girl scout leader (with a co-leader) and as a heterosexual woman or a lesbian, you can.

weetamoe

February 4th, 2013
9:14 am

As long as the scout officials are declared immune from charges/lawsuits resulting from claims of sexual abuse or claims of discrimination (all bases covered, all sides protected) there should be no problems at all.

alittlecommonsense

February 4th, 2013
9:16 am

Ok Granny – I stand corrected on that part of my point.

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the dog

February 4th, 2013
9:16 am

WHY?????

weetamoe

February 4th, 2013
9:14 am
As long as the scout officials are declared immune from charges/lawsuits resulting from claims of sexual abuse or claims of discrimination (all bases covered, all sides protected) there should be no problems at all.

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Aquagirl

February 4th, 2013
9:18 am

For many years now, the Scouts have survived very well under their own rules, just as Augusta survived very well without having female members.

Because the Boy Scouts are just like Augusta National GC. I confuse those two groups all the time.

Bhorsoft

February 4th, 2013
9:18 am

No DoD school in Italy? We had one in Izmir, Turkey (good teachers, by the way). Also had a scout troop and we had summer camp at Karamursel Air Base near Istanbul. Got to swim the Bosphorus from Europe to Asia as part of the camp. Oh, and I only made it to Star before girls and other things intruded into scouting.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 4th, 2013
9:18 am

So in weetamoe world, if scout officials cover up sexual abuse they should be immune from lawsuit or criminal action?

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Brosephus™

February 4th, 2013
9:20 am

weetamoe @ 9:14

You do know there’s this thing called a background check that takes a lot of that guess work out, right? One doesn’t just wake up at 40 years old one day and decide to molest somebody’s child. There is usually a pattern of behavior that one can trace.

Bob

February 4th, 2013
9:20 am

Lets end all race/sex based rules by any group. If you are a gay group on a college campus you have to admit religious people that argue that being gay is a sin. If you are a black fraternaty you should have to admit a pecentage of whites that mirrors the campus racial makeup. If you are an 18 year old girl you should register with selective service or be denied college loan money. If you are a jewish group you should be forced to admit muslims.

willydoit?

February 4th, 2013
9:21 am

How many school teachers have we read about over the years that have had inappropriate relations with students? It doesn’t matter whether its a male or female teacher with a student…it is illegal, as it would be for a scout master to be with a scout.
Already in our society, there are gay teachers as well as gay police officers that take their jobs very seriously. I don’t hear about them taking advantage of under age children or persons in their charge, so why would a scout master be any different.

Cosby

February 4th, 2013
9:22 am

Should make those overnight camping trips even more interesting!!!!

Joe Hussein Mama

February 4th, 2013
9:22 am

Bob — “Lets end all race/sex based rules by any group.”

“If you are a jewish group you should be forced to admit muslims.”

One of these things is not like the other.

Brosephus™

February 4th, 2013
9:23 am

If you are a black fraternaty you should have to admit a pecentage of whites that mirrors the campus racial makeup.

You can’t admit people who don’t apply to join your organization. That usually means they are not interested in joining. Why force someone to be a part of something they don’t want to belong to?

GT

February 4th, 2013
9:23 am

People live in conflict now. The gay is there in your midst you just don’t know it because we have intimated him or her into not disclosing their identity.

I had three fraternity brothers that came out of the closet years later. One was president of the fraternity, ended up being a transdresser who died of AIDs. I ran into him at Mary Macs down town, while I was having a business lunch. Shook me up good when I realized this beautiful woman that approached me was my old buddy Ben. He got a big kick out of my expression of having a heart attack. If you can hide your id in a frat house, which in my house was no Boy Scout troop, you can hide it anywhere.

Point is this isn’t a racial or religious divide. These people are in our communities right now. You really are not moving the furniture around that much, you are just being realistic. It would be like being a white guy in the south voting Democrat; there are more of us around than admit it.

barking frog

February 4th, 2013
9:23 am

bob 9:20
yes.

Patrick Edmondson

February 4th, 2013
9:26 am

Life Scout 3 badges from Eagle, Order of the Arrow, Jr. Asst. Scoutmaster. Loved scouting but with the sixties the area officials suddenly demanded hair cuts to get the next badge. My troop had no trouble with my long crewcut, but one old man said anything but a crewcut was ’sissy’. Since I already had white sidewalls, I bolted followed by most of my troop. Conservative politics have sadly always tried to bully their values on scouts, and some resisted.

Adam

February 4th, 2013
9:30 am

I think I’ll just sit back and watch kayaker and Scout’s heads explode.

Oh, almost forgot RB. Well, I guess that’s understandable ;)

saywhat?

February 4th, 2013
9:30 am

I for one would have no problem with a gay leader or especially, a gay scout in my local troop and pack, in which I have two sons involved. Unfortunately, our troop and pack is sponsored by the local Catholic Church, and not a particularly progressive parish, either. Not sure how the current leadership in the troop and pack feel about the situation. I hope they would at least allow gay scouts. Why deny a boy a great learning /life experience over something he has no control over?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 4th, 2013
9:31 am

O me! Next thing you know, they’ll be lining our boys up to get Gay Married! This ain’t going to end very good. And I guess “Be Prepared” will mean carrying a condom in your pocket.

I don’t know why a bunch of gays would want to join the Boy Scouts when there’s Girl Scout troops all over the place. The only reason why that I can think of is they want to ruin our good Southren way of life. Just like Those People did fifty years ago, and you see how that turned out. Don’t get me started on that.

Have a good Monday everybody.

USinUK - former Girl Scout

February 4th, 2013
9:32 am

it’s about time.

and I hope to dog that they retroactively award this young man with his eagle scout … umm … level / award / recognition / thingie

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/04/14224160-almost-eagle-scout-denied-award-because-he-is-gay?lite

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 4th, 2013
9:32 am

Bro—
.
“Why force someone to be a part of something they don’t want to belong to?”
.———————————————————–
.
Yes…………why indeed.
See Lincoln.

Jefferson

February 4th, 2013
9:32 am

Not everybody is the same.

USinUK - former Girl Scout

February 4th, 2013
9:33 am

say what?

“Unfortunately, our troop and pack is sponsored by the local Catholic Church, and not a particularly progressive parish, either”

they’ve clamped down on what the girls can talk about in Girl Scouts, too (dog forbid they should discuss … sex and contraception!)

USinUK - former Girl Scout

February 4th, 2013
9:34 am

“I think I’ll just sit back and watch kayaker and Scout’s heads explode.”

I made homemade caramel ice cream over the weekend … I just go get it out of the freezer …

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 4th, 2013
9:34 am

I’m not so wild about openly gay adult leaders. As a man, I would not be allowed to be a girl scout leader. Would I be tempted by a 14 year old girl?

First – Only someone who is a PEDOPHILE would be interested in children. Gay doesn’t necessarily equate to being a PEDOPHILE just as STRAIGHT doesn’t necessarily equate to being SMART.

You’re not interested in 14 yo girls? Maybe its because you’re not a PEDERAST or have a temperament for PEDOPHILIA.

ATL Born and Raised

February 4th, 2013
9:35 am

Many of you seem to be missing the fact that no one is FORCING the BSA to do anything. No legislation has been passed. They are still free to do whatever they like as a private organization. But they aren’t free from the consequences of their exclusionary practices. The court of public opinion is trying them and they are adapting in order to survive.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 4th, 2013
9:35 am

I made homemade caramel ice cream

RECIPE!!! Please….. :)

the dog

February 4th, 2013
9:37 am

I would be more worried about my son being a altar boy in a catholic church.

the dog

February 4th, 2013
9:37 am

an altar boy

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 4th, 2013
9:42 am

Because the Boy Scouts are just like Augusta National GC. I confuse those two groups all the time

That AqGirl! That’s why she’s my hero!
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No DoD school in Italy? We had one in Izmir, Turkey (good teachers, by the way).

There was one in Vinceza when I went through there a couple of years back. However, you have to factor in the dates/time that Jay was there.

Brosephus™

February 4th, 2013
9:44 am

Yes…………why indeed.
See Lincoln.

See Lincoln for what?

“My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union”
–Abraham Lincoln

Then again, you’ve been known to put your faith in men who were less than stellar. I remember your love affair with Gerard Depardieu, but somehow he turned Commie and you stopped mentioning him by name. Then, there’s the Wisconsin wedding party fiasco. However, I do admire your courage to stand by your convictions, at least until they’re proven wrong. That said, freedom for one and freedom for all!!!

USinUK - former Girl Scout

February 4th, 2013
9:45 am

Hiya DDR … bear with – it’s in metric (got scales?)

200g sugar
1 Tbsp or so of light corn syrup
500 g whole milk
1/2 tsp salt
6 egg yolks
300 g whipping cream
1/2 tsp vanilla extract

Put the sugar and corn syrup in a medium pan over medium-high heat, and cook until you see it start to melt. DON’T STIR, but use the spoon to draw the melty sugar into the middle, then swirl around until it all melts. Cook until it is a nice light brown (don’t let it get too dark or it will be a bitter burned sugar taste). Turn off the heat, then add the milk and salt – it’s going to splutter and bubble for a second or two so be careful. The sugar will harden, but keep stirring and it will all dissolve into the milk. Let cool about 30 min or so. In a separate bowl, beat the eggs until they lighten a little, then add the milk mixture and beat thoroughly. Add back to the pot and cook until it reaches 160 F and coats the back of a spoon. Turn off the heat, add in the cream and vanilla, then chill in the fridge for at least 3 hours before pouring into your ice cream machine. TOTALLY yum.

Brosephus™

February 4th, 2013
9:46 am

“Do the people of the South really entertain fears that a Republican administration would, directly, or indirectly, interfere with their slaves, or with them, about their slaves? If they do, I wish to assure you, as once a friend, and still, I hope, not an enemy, that there is no cause for such fears.”
–Abraham Lincoln

Aquagirl

February 4th, 2013
9:46 am

Gay doesn’t necessarily equate to being a PEDOPHILE just as STRAIGHT doesn’t necessarily equate to being SMART.

Comments here will certainly serve to illustrate this point.

DownInAlbany

February 4th, 2013
9:46 am

Jay says, “While others may not be as supportive, time does and must change things.” I’d have to disagree. There are moral absolutes that never change, regardless of how times may change.

I’m not a homophobe, but, I don’t think gay scout masters is a very good idea. Part of the gun control argument is “…if we save one child…” Is it now, not about the children? I know I’ll be accused of comparing apples to oranges…

Bob

February 4th, 2013
9:48 am

If Boy scouts should end all discrimination then so should the US government. Lets face it, you leftists have no problem with minority set asides or affirmative action but whine about a private group like the boy scouts. And where are the Sandra Flukes of the world when it comes to signing up for selective service ? Free birth control for women, great ! Women being held to the same standards in regard to being drafted, hell no !

Brosephus™

February 4th, 2013
9:49 am

“I believe the declara[tion] that ‘all men are created equal’ is the great fundamental principle upon which our free institutions rest; that negro slavery is violative of that principle; but that, by our frame of government, that principle has not been made one of legal obligation; that by our frame of government, the States which have slavery are to retain it, or surrender it at their own pleasure; and that all others—individuals, free-states and national government—are constitutionally bound to leave them alone about it.”
–Abraham Lincoln

Gil Robison

February 4th, 2013
9:49 am

Bigotry is still bigotry. Hatred and prejudice are still hatred and prejudice. Suppose the issue was racial minorities, as was the case with Scouting at one time. Would you hail it as a grand compromise and intone, “Under the proposal, organizations such as churches and civic clubs that sponsor Boy Scout troops and Cub Scout packs would be able to decide for themselves what policy to set. No local group would be forced to admit Negroes, in violation of its conscience or comfort zone…That seems like exactly the right compromise, given the range of geographic, religious and cultural communities that Scouting serves. After all, what works in New York may not work in Mississippi.”

USinUK - former Girl Scout

February 4th, 2013
9:50 am

” I know I’ll be accused of comparing apples to oranges…”

damn straight, you’ll be accused of comparing apples to oranges. you’re honestly saying Neil Patrick Harris = AK 47 as far as their lethality.

that’s not just a bad comparison, that’s downright asinine.

and, my dear, moral “absolutes” change all the time. It used to be completely moral to sell your daughter for 7 goats and some chickens.

Scrivener

February 4th, 2013
9:50 am

Why, oh, why do some people insist on injecting sexuality into everything? Any discussions of someone’s sexual preferences have NO place in Scouting, period. Yes, there are Scouts who are gay. So what. They are treated with respect and dignity just like any other Scout. It’s not a subject for discussion in Scouting and is a distraction. Scouting is a God-centered organization, realizing that many religions have different tenets, and there’s no place for people’s personal political agenda.

Donovan

February 4th, 2013
9:50 am

“While others may not be as supportive, time does and must change things”. Wrong, wrong, and wrong.

Time is a factor that eternally marches on. However, time is also a factor that does not always change things if morality or values are not corrupted. Therefore, it remains timeless in its morality and value.

This traditional social club was privately founded to represent Christian values, social leadership, and gender responsibility. Homosexuality works against such instilled values. The common thread of this social organization does not allow the integration of homosexuality.

Much to the displeasure of liberal thinking, homosexual persuasion is driven by an aggressive pattern of sexual drive that outweighs normal behavior. Genteel expressions of male behavior such as flower arranging, fashion design, and feminine speech does not endanger social interaction. The desire to dress as a woman, look like a woman, frolicking in parades like a woman, having sex with the same gender, and aggressively support the idea of same sex marriage corrupts the social fabric of natural human interaction. Thus, social interaction is endangered. This is not the original intent of the Boy Scouts of America. Time changes, but values don’t.

Summer regional scouting venues will not work, based on the proposed lunatic liberal idea of homosexual integration. Liberalism has never worked, but has always been instrumental in ruining values that have worked and remain timeless in its essence.

alittlecommonsense

February 4th, 2013
9:51 am

Would you rather have your 14 year old daughter share a hotel room (or tent) with
A. A woman with a loaded gun? or
B. A man with a loaded you know what?

I would take A. Same if it is a boy and a gay man. It’s not about gay / straight. It’s about men’s penchant for sexual misbehavior.

GT

February 4th, 2013
9:51 am

You know 98% of the women in the world are not sexually attracted to me anyway, why do I care if they are attracted to Tom Cruise or Rachel Welsh? Life goes on.

Erwin's cat

February 4th, 2013
9:53 am

the dog – I would be more worried about my son being a altar boy in a catholic church

You continue to impress…..find a way to bash the Christians no matter the topic

SBinF

February 4th, 2013
9:54 am

“I’m not so wild about openly gay adult leaders. As a man, I would not be allowed to be a girl scout leader. Would I be tempted by a 14 year old girl? No. If you put a hundred men in that position though, one of them would. If you put a thousand of them in that position, several would. Therefore the Girl Scouts rightly don’t allow male scout masters. Why should we expect gay males to behave better than straight males? They won’t – It’s putting the children at risk for nothing more than political correctness.”

Because homosexuality is the same as a child predator.

Good lord, your logic is making my eyes bleed. You realize that there are gay teachers right. Are they trying to take advantage of kids?

Your argument is unraveling like a cheap Christmas sweater.

the dog

February 4th, 2013
9:54 am

alittlecommonsense-Did you really just say all men cannot keep it in their pants???? You just insulted all men, gay or straight.

DownInAlbany

February 4th, 2013
9:55 am

USinUK – former Girl Scout

February 4th, 2013
9:50 am

So, then, it’s not “about the children.” I understand.
If moral absolutes change all the time, then they were never absolute to begin with.
Of course, I am not surprised by your reaction. When anyone on here offers a difference of opinion, all you can do is call names. Typical.

the dog

February 4th, 2013
9:55 am

erwin with the broad brush again. Catholics are christian, not all christians are catholic. See the difference?

Aquagirl

February 4th, 2013
9:56 am

frolicking in parades like a woman

I’ve never frolicked in a parade, do I have to exchange my X chromosome? Or is that just a stamp on my woman card?

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

February 4th, 2013
9:57 am

What’s next?

Hairdressing and Interior Decorating merit badges?

Granny Godzilla

February 4th, 2013
9:57 am

Donovan

Tolerant Christian Values?

In-Tolerant Christian values?

Or simply YOURS?

Erwin's cat

February 4th, 2013
9:57 am

the dog – You just insulted all men, gay or straight

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and you insult all Catholics….but that’s different?

USinUK - former Girl Scout

February 4th, 2013
9:57 am

” Yes, there are Scouts who are gay. So what. They are treated with respect and dignity just like any other Scout. ”

wrong.

SO very wrong.

scroll up to my 9:32

Brosephus™

February 4th, 2013
9:58 am

It’s about men’s penchant for sexual misbehavior.

All these women say “What?”

Even WND says “Huh?”

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/39783/

Granny Godzilla

February 4th, 2013
9:58 am

Donovan

Mission Statement

The mission of the Boy Scouts of America is to prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices over their lifetimes by instilling in them the values of the Scout Oath and Law.

Scout Oath

Scout Law

On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight.

A Scout is:

Trustworthy
Loyal
Helpful
Friendly
Courteous
Kind

Obedient
Cheerful
Thrifty
Brave
Clean
Reverent

Vision Statement

The Boy Scouts of America will prepare every eligible youth in America to become a responsible, participating citizen and leader who is guided by the Scout Oath and Law.
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I think the problem is your mistaken take on what Christian values are…..

Adam

February 4th, 2013
9:59 am

There are moral absolutes that never change, regardless of how times may change.

For more on how this is completely false:

The Moral Landscape: How Science Can Determine Human Values

the dog

February 4th, 2013
9:59 am

erwin-well yes that is different. duh

barking frog

February 4th, 2013
10:00 am

Aquagirl
I’ve never frolicked in a parade
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want to ?

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 4th, 2013
10:00 am

Bro———–
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I only reinforced your question “why force people to join something that they otherwise would not want to”.
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You give me statemets of Lincoln ………………….lying.
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wtf?

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

February 4th, 2013
10:01 am

… bear with – it’s in metric (got scales?)

Thanks girl!! I can always go online and get a converter. I’m going to try this over the weekend — I have a bookclub meeting on Saturday and, since I usually bring the booze, I’ll add some ice cream with it too.
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It’s about men’s penchant for sexual misbehavior

I understand what you’re saying, however someone would have to have a PENCHANT for children for them to become sexually attracted to them. if not they’d be as disgusted if a child came on to them, as they would be if all of a sudden a horse came on to them. It would be unnatural to them.

Erwin's cat

February 4th, 2013
10:01 am

the dog – erwin with the broad brush again

do you not read what you post?

USinUK - former Girl Scout

February 4th, 2013
10:01 am

“So, then, it’s not “about the children.” I understand.”

it’s no more “dangerous” to have a gay person as a scout or a scout leader than it is to have a black or a red-head.

“If moral absolutes change all the time, then they were never absolute to begin with.”

ding! ding! ding! ding! congratulations!!! you got it!!! even killing isn’t a moral absolute as there are exceptions (your life is threatened or it’s war)

“Of course, I am not surprised by your reaction. When anyone on here offers a difference of opinion, all you can do is call names.”

saying your comparison is asinine doesn’t mean that YOU are asinine. just means that your comparison was completely off-the-charts stupid.

Adam

February 4th, 2013
10:01 am

Erwin’s Cat: find a way to bash the Christians no matter the topic

Take an active interest in taking care of the problem in your own house and you wouldn’t have to worry about it.

“Let them see the good that we do.”

The public sees what the catholic church does and they don’t like it. Spin that any way you want. It’s the reason I am no longer a member. It is shameful to remain part of a group that de facto condones sexual assault.

Adam

February 4th, 2013
10:03 am

USinUK: even killing isn’t a moral absolute as there are exceptions (your life is threatened or it’s war)

Again, due to “protection of the tribe.” Tribal mentality may have expanded to include more than half of a continent, but it’s still tribal thinking. They just call it “Nationalism” now.

Morality?

February 4th, 2013
10:03 am

Do they have Boy Scouts in Kenya? One should not compromise their moral compass. It will be the individual local troop’s choice – Camel’s nose under the tent?