On Fox News, NRA’s Wayne LaPierre gets skewered
What happened when NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre and Fox News’ Chris Wallace debated gun control this morning?
Let’s just say that if the Super Bowl is this one-sided, millions of TV sets will be turned off by halftime.
Also, in another tragic case that casts doubt on the usefulness of guns as a self-defense measure, former Navy SEAL Chris Kyle was shot and killed yesterday evening at a gun range in Texas. Kyle came to national fame as a sniper who claimed more than 150 kills, supposedly making him the most prolific sniper in U.S. military history. Kyle wrote a best-selling book, “American Sniper,” about his experience and parlayed his fame into a regular spot on the reality show “Stars Earn Stripes.”
He leaves a wife and two children.
UPDATE: I’ve dealt with this several times in the comments below, but let me post it here as well. Yes, the circumstances of Kyle’s death suggest that he was given no real chance by his killer to defend himself. But the sad truth is, that’s almost always the case anyway. The good guy almost never gets the drop on the bad guy; the Keith Ratliff murder here in Georgia is another example of that reality.
In almost every case, the person who draws the weapon first has an overwhelming advantage, and most of the time the person who pulls first is the criminal. If you’re getting robbed at gunpoint on the street, for example, having a concealed weapon in your shoulder holster does you no good at all, and if it tempts you to try something stupid, it could end up getting you and others killed.
Let’s review the hard data, shall we? Each year, the FBI reports, some 200 justifiable homicides are committed with a firearm. That’s a tiny, tiny number, given the estimated 300 million firearms in circulation. That’s one justifiable homicide for each 1.5 million firearms. That’s the basis on which these fantasies are built. (And for the record, I recognize and support the constitutional right to possess firearms for home defense, etc.)
On the other hand, some 10,000 people are murdered each year with a firearm.
– Jay Bookman
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moonbat betty
February 3rd, 2013
9:11 pm
If obama didn’t try to be such a damn poser, people might like him more.
Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
9:11 pm
Oscar,
We can’t do much about mental health issues that we don’t already do. Jared Loughner was obviously mentally ill and probably could have been stopped. The problem is that if you tried to deny him some sort of right before he had actually done something he could possibly sue and people today are ultra worried about being sued given the number of parasites we have running around suing over any and everything. Plus the American snivel liberties union would probably say something about it.
As for the Newtown kid he was mentally ill and was simply able to take the guns from his law abiding mother after he killed her. There’s no law that could have stopped that and there’s none proposed that would have stopped Newtown.
I also think one or both of the Columbine killers had been on ritalin or anti depression medication. If so then again. What could have been done? They got the guns from their law abiding parents. Nothing much that really could have been done there either.
Oscar
February 3rd, 2013
9:12 pm
Bro – I think part of the instruction manuel on ws to be a president includes a diagram on how to use a veto. Also available on you tube. and believe this is a book “Use of veto for dummies.”
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
9:13 pm
Get
Not their leaders
But they didn’t follow up on reports which is just as bad
Anyway, obama should put a plug in his pie hole
I think MADD should accept alcoholics into their group
So what?
getalife
February 3rd, 2013
9:14 pm
Hurry up and self deport jm.
Gun nut totin' a gun in a gun culture. Yep. That's me.
February 3rd, 2013
9:14 pm
Jackie is confused at best, TD. If they are released from custody, not on parole or probation, but at the completion of their sentence their right are restored, even the right to vote, unless they are a felon. If they are on parole or probation then they do forfeit their 4th amendment rights.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
9:14 pm
If obama didn’t try to be such a damn poser, people might like him more.
Mitt Romney says, “What?”
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
9:15 pm
If anything obama’s comments could result in a delay
Like that nut job telling Augusta to let women in
Stan
February 3rd, 2013
9:16 pm
Dixie Normous….it is always easy to spot the moronic uneducated right wingers who get their education from talk radio….The NRA is a one topic organization…preserve the 2nd amendment…they DO NOT SUPPORT THE ENTIRE CONSTITUTION…..get your facts straight….they focus only on the 2nd amendment
Dixie Normous
February 3rd, 2013
8:22 pm
Got terrible news for you liberals. As bookman himself once pointed out, the NRA gets the vast majority of its funding from its members. People just like me that are life members and donate money to they every month to keep radicals like many of you bokkman/obamabots from implementing your radical laws.”Laws like in DC that the NRA proved before the SCOTUS to be UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Many people hate the NRA because they fight to preserve the CONSTITUTION. ALL OF IT.”
getalife
February 3rd, 2013
9:16 pm
moonbat,
Republicans are joining his majority because the gop are lost in the wilderness with no leaders.
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
9:17 pm
Getalife
Sorry pal
Still here
TBS
February 3rd, 2013
9:17 pm
“Libs must have loved the halftime show- lotta flash and style- no substance”
I missed it. Did Romney walk out and give a speech only to be laughed at be the libs?.
Sure sounds like it based on your post.
N. J. A.
February 3rd, 2013
9:20 pm
Police sources say two armed males tried to rob a coach leaving the school. The coach, who has a concealed pistol license, fired shots killing one of the individuals and critically wounding the other.
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/20939685/2-shot-1-killed-outside-mlk-high-school-in-detroit
getalife
February 3rd, 2013
9:20 pm
“Still here”
Hurry up and leave.
Oscar
February 3rd, 2013
9:20 pm
td Newtown kid had been exhibiting behsvior the last week or two before the shooting that under present law could have had him placed in a facility for observation. That may have prevented, or only delayed the shooting.
Don;\’t have much info on the others other than to say further research could come up something. And if people around them had more information on how to deal with them, it might be that someone could have made a difference.
But, of couse, that is something we will never know.
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
9:21 pm
Oscar
BIG MO
February 3rd, 2013
9:21 pm
If gun laws work how come they are not working in Chicago, DC, LA, and Mexico. You libs are just F*&%$ing dumb. Just give the real reason you want guns away from the law abiding citizen. Wallace didn’t make the NRA guy look silly. He was just trying to make something out of nothing and didn’t do a good job at that. The NRA doesn’t want people to not have body guards but have a problem with the liberal elite having guns and guards but doesn’t want the ordinary law abiding citizen to have one.
Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
9:22 pm
Moonbat Betty,
We’ll just have to dumb ourselves down a bit to relate to the libs then. Turn off the Cspan and BBC international news and start watching Jerry Springer and this Honey Boo Boo character. Even then it won’t be enough.
We’ll have to eliminate all rationale and logical thinking and start grooving with catchy sloganeering like “hopey changey” and “Yes! We can!”
The full transformation to liberal kookism will be complete when we establish someone as sort of a god on earth with the cult of personality thing. We’ll make all kinds of cool silhouetted multi colored T-shirts bearing the dear leader’s likeness. Kooks do love they cult of personality they do.
moonbat betty
February 3rd, 2013
9:26 pm
“Mitt Romney says, “What?””
Raise the bar high.
Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
9:26 pm
TBS,
Well now they weren’t that damn boring. After all they did have short short skirts and slim tight bodies for the most part. That’s always gonna capture my interest. The music was just kinda lame. Then again pop music is just lame.
oldguy
February 3rd, 2013
9:28 pm
Oscar,
How many people like the Newtown kids mother would commit their kid to a mental institution? How do we predict who will blow like that? Even professionals can’t predict the future behavior of a patient.
Unfortunately those kind of things come under the label of :SH$$ Happens”.
Dixie Normous
February 3rd, 2013
9:29 pm
Radicals are trying to convince people that background checks will prevent bad guys from getting guns. When that fails as it has already been doing in IL, NY, CA, MA etc they will say more needs to be done. And when that fails, more needs to be done. When that fails more will need to be done, until you can no longer own a gun as in England. And THATS bookmans and all the other lunatics real goal. They are not honest enough to admit it.
getalife
February 3rd, 2013
9:29 pm
“Mitt Romney says, “What?””
I concede.
oldguy
February 3rd, 2013
9:29 pm
“Wicked Tuna” is more entertaining than this Super Bowl !!
moonbat betty
February 3rd, 2013
9:29 pm
“Republicans are joining his majority”
Really?
get, I need a large shot of Crown Reserve to cure this cold.
oldguy
February 3rd, 2013
9:30 pm
True words Dixie true words!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
9:30 pm
Raise the bar high.
After Caribou Barbie, the bar had no where else to go but up.
Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
9:31 pm
“Newtown kid had been exhibiting behsvior the last week or two before the shooting that under present law could have had him placed in a facility for observation. That may have prevented, or only delayed the shooting.”
That’s a judgement call and one that perhaps people would be reluctant to make for fear of being sued over possibly violating someone’s civil rights. And again I think the American Snivel Liberties Union would have something to say about infringing on the rights of tens of thousands if not millions of people who have a mental illness or condition.
moonbat betty
February 3rd, 2013
9:31 pm
Dirty Birds would have picked apart the Ravens.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnqNQJOhHwU
Keeping it real!
February 3rd, 2013
9:31 pm
Let’s be concerned about 9,800 deaths a year by gun BUT not worry about 2.4 million babies that are killed a year. So hypocritical! Let’s don’t deal with the real issues which is lack of good morals and caring for the mentally challenged. We use to have mental institutions that cared for the mentally insane but that was too belitling. Everything goes in the world of political correctness!
oldguy
February 3rd, 2013
9:32 pm
moonbat…..It really doesn’t work, you only wake up with a cold AND A HANGOVER!
Uh Huh..........Kudos to CHRIS Wallace for facing down evil
February 3rd, 2013
9:32 pm
@oldguy
February 3rd, 2013
9:04 pm
A little light reading for you gun haters (at least those of you who can read).
p.s. some of us gun loving rednecks have good educations, better than many of you haters. (Moi) have 2 undergraduate degrees (one in Chem Engineering) and a masters in Software Engineering.
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“It is a thousand times better to have common sense without education
than to have education without common sense.”
Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
9:33 pm
We got a ball game now!
TBS
February 3rd, 2013
9:33 pm
Posted downstairs, but posting again before I shut down
“With all the legitimate things to go after Obama on when it gets down to does he shoot skeet and did he fake a picture shooting skeet…. Just effn admit it…. He has whipped his detractors’ collective asses like they have never been WHUPPED before
Next it will be how it is rumored that he skipped school one day in 7th grade or slept as late as 8 o’clock one day since he has been President
If this is all they have, time to just throw up the white flag and admit the Marxist Muslim from Kenya has been playing chess while detractors were playing checkers
Game, set, match
Sad thing is that he isn’t even that good. His detractors on the whole are just that bad”
And I’m gone. Everyone have a great night and an even better tomorrow
Stan
February 3rd, 2013
9:33 pm
Radical conservatives are trying to convince people that we should have the rights to own semi automatic weapons….then fully automatic weapons….then RPGs……probably throw a tank in there as well……for home protection
Soothsayer
February 3rd, 2013
9:33 pm
“It ain’t over ’til it’s over.”
– Yogi Berra
Hmmm . . . that 28 score looks awfully familiar.
Concerned Citizen
February 3rd, 2013
9:33 pm
Yet another halfwit reporter that really has no clue what he is ranting about.
moonbat betty
February 3rd, 2013
9:34 pm
True dat, Kam.
No wonder ya’ll run around with hard ons all the time over hillary.
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
9:34 pm
“I have been contributing to the NRA since I first started working in 1985. Its been especially expensive so far this year. Every time bookman writes about them I send them a check”
I see. So you’re quite willing to contribute even when they support positions you don’t agree with.
getalife
February 3rd, 2013
9:34 pm
The black out was to help the NFC 49 ers.
Dixie Normous
February 3rd, 2013
9:35 pm
Radical conservatives are trying to convince people that we should have the rights to own semi automatic weapons….then fully automatic weapons….then RPGs……probably throw a tank in there as well……for home protection
I havent seen anyone doing any of that. You must be high.
Weena
February 3rd, 2013
9:36 pm
I left Atlanta years ago but still enjoy reading comments on ajc. It’s like watching Honey Boo Boo.
moonbat betty
February 3rd, 2013
9:37 pm
TBS, when the President of the United States has to post a picture of himself shooting skeet with a rifle, that’s pretty sad.
Does he hunt deer with a Bowie knife too?
Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
9:38 pm
Damn those Clydesdales are beautiful animals! Kinda stinky though. I saw them once at a public event and you could smell em from 50 yards away. Still awesome animals though.
oldguy
February 3rd, 2013
9:39 pm
Hey TBS “Skeet are people tooo….. SAVE THE SKEET”!!
Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
9:40 pm
“Does he hunt deer with a Bowie knife too?”
You betcha. And with one hand tied behind his back just to make it fair.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
9:40 pm
Yet another halfwit reporter that really has no clue what he is ranting about.
Andrew Breitbart says, “What?”
Oscar
February 3rd, 2013
9:40 pm
The present law is clear and not subjective on when someone can be sent to a facility for observation and diagnosis, And those laws are used every day all over the country.
Person shows behavior that is a threat to himself or others. And in some states even less than that is required.
moonbat betty
February 3rd, 2013
9:41 pm
old guy, Wild Turkey works with some honey.
Nectar of the Gods.
Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
9:41 pm
Ravens are starting to resemble libs in a debate- meltdown.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
9:42 pm
Wingnuts gleefully photoshopping Obama skeet picture. Consolation prize for losing another election.
Heh, heh, heh.
oldguy
February 3rd, 2013
9:42 pm
Hey Dixie……I want a Panzer VI Tiger, don’t you? would be great for the Atlanta commute!
Oscar
February 3rd, 2013
9:42 pm
Maybe the Ravens are afraid of the dark. Playing like they have the willies now.
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
9:42 pm
Mo change
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
9:44 pm
Doom 9:41
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
9:45 pm
Oops
Doom 9:41
Funny
Getalife
I’ll leave when I choose
Sorry punk
clem
February 3rd, 2013
9:45 pm
even chris wallace thought wayne lepuke crazy
oldguy
February 3rd, 2013
9:46 pm
moonbat Does ease the throat. I prefer “Navy Rum” from Barbados (120 proof) with sourwood honey.
getalife
February 3rd, 2013
9:46 pm
“Sorry punk.”
Red card.
Uh Huh..........Kudos to CHRIS Wallace for facing down evil
February 3rd, 2013
9:47 pm
@moonbat betty
February 3rd, 2013
9:11 pm
If obama didn’t try to be such a damn poser, people might like him more.
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IF “if” were a fifth we’d all be DRUNK.
POSER?……. A person who acts in an affected manner in order to impress others.
YOUR TRANSLATION: If obama didn’t try to act like “US” people might like him more.
MY TRANSLATION: If Obama acted like what YOU people think he should act like
you people would NEVER like him.
ONE SIZE DOES NOT FIT ALL.
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
9:47 pm
Punk is “red card” material?
Haha
Very funny
getalife
February 3rd, 2013
9:49 pm
jm,
Take these cons with you when you leave.
Love it or leave it.
Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
9:49 pm
Bolden with the stiffarm. This sure beats watching men run around in shorts kicking a ball all day for a 1-0 score. Its still good to be an American.
Stan
February 3rd, 2013
9:50 pm
Hey Thulsa Doom…dont you mean the Ravens are resembling the GOP……total disaray….buts kicked in the 2012 election and looking to blame everyone except for their own dumb moves……
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
9:50 pm
I prefer “Navy Rum” from Barbados (120 proof) with sourwood honey.
2 oz Bourbon
1 oz lemon juice
¾ oz maple syrup
Shake with ice, serve in chilled rocks glass.
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
9:51 pm
Get
Make my day, punk
Uh Huh..........Kudos to CHRIS Wallace for facing down evil
February 3rd, 2013
9:52 pm
@Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
9:38 pm
Damn those Clydesdales are beautiful animals! Kinda stinky though. I saw them once at a public event and you could smell em from 50 yards away. Still awesome animals though.
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Are you sure it was the Clydedales that were STINKY?
I know there are some people who you could smell em from 50 yards away.
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
9:53 pm
So far ads this year get a C. Maybe even a D
moonbat betty
February 3rd, 2013
9:53 pm
Ok, Uh Huh.
Sorry, you make no sense.
Take a deep breath.
Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
9:53 pm
Jm,
Oh lordy. Is getalife hallucinating again and having delusions of grandeur that he can arbitrarily boot cons?
getalife
February 3rd, 2013
9:55 pm
You cons are booting yourselves.
Self defeatists self deport..
Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
9:55 pm
Uh huh,
You would have a point- if people smelled like horses.
ammochief
February 3rd, 2013
9:55 pm
I do not watch Fox’s brand of made-up news but am impressed after watching Chis Mathew’s interview. Maybe this will signal that the network may become a serious news provider. Way to go…
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
9:55 pm
Mad ave creative talent flunked this year
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
9:56 pm
Doom
Get is always hallucinating
He takes LSD like vitamins
oldguy
February 3rd, 2013
9:56 pm
Kammie,
Sounds good, but will it do anything for the cold?
p.s. what part of the Steppes are you from/ I am planning a spring trip to Moldova this year. a little west for the steppes but…. maybe some vampires?
Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
9:57 pm
Stan. If you say so.
moonbat betty
February 3rd, 2013
9:58 pm
“2 oz Bourbon
1 oz lemon juice
¾ oz maple syrup
Shake with ice, serve in chilled rocks glass”
//Now that sounds like a good tonic.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
10:00 pm
Sounds good, but will it do anything for the cold?
As much good as rum and honey.
what part of the Steppes are you from
The Steppes just north of Brookwood station on Peachtree St.
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
10:00 pm
The Italians probably take the cake for overall best ads so far
The dodge ad was good
Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
10:00 pm
Jm.
Get did indeed brag one time on his drug taking prowess by proclaiming that he ate them wimpy ole lortabs for breakfast. It was either lortabs or percocet I think. Hell maybe it was morhphine or heroin. Hell I dunno. He seems like he chases the dragon a lot.
getalife
February 3rd, 2013
10:03 pm
My drugs are prescribed by doctors.
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
10:05 pm
49er rebound…..
yeah uh huh
February 3rd, 2013
10:06 pm
clearly neith you nor your liberal followers have a clue as to why the founders even put in the 2nd amendment. silly so called journalists and libs
Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
10:07 pm
getalife
February 3rd, 2013
10:03 pm
My drugs are prescribed by doctors.
So were Rush Limbaugh’s. Didn’t stop the libs from lampooning him as a drug addict. Should we therefore lampoon you as a drug addict? Just being consistent of course.
oldguy
February 3rd, 2013
10:07 pm
moonbat
If you are feeling venturesome
A close Jamacian friends mother’s home punch
4 cups Jamacian White Overproof Run (Ray and Nephew the preferred Rum)(151 or better proof)
3 cups spring water
2 cups fresh lemon juice
1 cup Grenadine
You will soon forget you have a cold!
moonbat betty
February 3rd, 2013
10:08 pm
“My drugs are prescribed by doctors.”
lol!
That’s pretty general, get.
getalife
February 3rd, 2013
10:08 pm
doomy,
rush should be doing time.
His maid got his drugs.
moonbat betty
February 3rd, 2013
10:09 pm
sounds good, old guy.
We should throw in a couple of scotch bonnets in there too.
Uh Huh..........Kudos to CHRIS Wallace for facing down evil
February 3rd, 2013
10:12 pm
@Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
9:55 pm
Uh huh,
You would have a point- if people smelled like horses.
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Some people do smell like horses and donkeys.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
10:14 pm
That’s pretty general, get.
getalife has been very specific about his open-heart surgery.
If I recall correctly, he also died in the OR.
Ogre 1
February 3rd, 2013
10:17 pm
“almost always the case”
I’ll take that. Any chance at all is better than NO chance at all. But this case wasn’t a mugging, this was an ambush.
Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
10:21 pm
“Some people do smell like horses and donkeys.”
Then you’ve met some uniquely stinky people in your life. I’ve stood behind some awful smelling folks in convenience and grocery stores but they never smelled like a horse which has its own unique musty smell. They just smelled like bad human funk stink is all. But stink is stink I reckon.
oldguy
February 3rd, 2013
10:21 pm
The greatest TV ad ever!! In the UK
warning ……R rated
Love Me Tender… Or Else Agent Provocateur
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOrgAfyS8qQ
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
10:25 pm
Gonna take a touchdown.
Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
10:25 pm
“rush should be doing time.”
Perhaps. But I would rather him be working so that he can pay taxes to support some of you Dems. Somebody got to pay the taxes and he pays a good share of taxes. Besides if he’s working it gives you guys something to whine about and keep ya busy. After all what the hell would Fred do if he couldn’t scream Rushbot every day?
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
10:25 pm
getalife has been very specific about his open-heart surgery.
If I recall correctly, he also died in the OR.
He and josef both have gone and came back.
Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
10:29 pm
“Gonna take a touchdown”
No shiite Sherlock. If they’re done by 5 with only 2 minutes left then of course they need a damn td. Got a real Einstein here folks.
Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
10:30 pm
Make that down by 5 not done by 5. Starting to sound like Mr. Einstein.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
10:32 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6inwzOooXRU