On Fox News, NRA’s Wayne LaPierre gets skewered
What happened when NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre and Fox News’ Chris Wallace debated gun control this morning?
Let’s just say that if the Super Bowl is this one-sided, millions of TV sets will be turned off by halftime.
Also, in another tragic case that casts doubt on the usefulness of guns as a self-defense measure, former Navy SEAL Chris Kyle was shot and killed yesterday evening at a gun range in Texas. Kyle came to national fame as a sniper who claimed more than 150 kills, supposedly making him the most prolific sniper in U.S. military history. Kyle wrote a best-selling book, “American Sniper,” about his experience and parlayed his fame into a regular spot on the reality show “Stars Earn Stripes.”
He leaves a wife and two children.
UPDATE: I’ve dealt with this several times in the comments below, but let me post it here as well. Yes, the circumstances of Kyle’s death suggest that he was given no real chance by his killer to defend himself. But the sad truth is, that’s almost always the case anyway. The good guy almost never gets the drop on the bad guy; the Keith Ratliff murder here in Georgia is another example of that reality.
In almost every case, the person who draws the weapon first has an overwhelming advantage, and most of the time the person who pulls first is the criminal. If you’re getting robbed at gunpoint on the street, for example, having a concealed weapon in your shoulder holster does you no good at all, and if it tempts you to try something stupid, it could end up getting you and others killed.
Let’s review the hard data, shall we? Each year, the FBI reports, some 200 justifiable homicides are committed with a firearm. That’s a tiny, tiny number, given the estimated 300 million firearms in circulation. That’s one justifiable homicide for each 1.5 million firearms. That’s the basis on which these fantasies are built. (And for the record, I recognize and support the constitutional right to possess firearms for home defense, etc.)
On the other hand, some 10,000 people are murdered each year with a firearm.
– Jay Bookman
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Jack
February 3rd, 2013
8:17 pm
Yes Jay but all of the gun control measures proposed only target those least likely to commit a gun crime. Mental health is the bigger issue and no one wants to seriously address the issue of keeping these people away from weapons. The “gun control” thing makes better political soundbites. These are merely politicians posturing because “we have to do something.” Until we address the multitude of societal issues that plague us we will see these acts of violence continue. In the meantime we are driving a wedge between our government and millions of it’s most patriotic citizens that take the Bill of Rights seriously. In time of real national emergency the huge majority of gun owners would be the first into the breach if needed.
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
8:19 pm
Is this halftime or a strip club?
Just curious
Uh Huh..........Kudos to Mike Wallace for facing down evil
February 3rd, 2013
8:20 pm
@LT5000
February 3rd, 2013
8:11 pm
To Uh Huh……….Kudos to Mike Wallace for facing down evil:
Because they are exercising their Constitutional Rights. Wipe Jays load off your chin.
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When you WIPE that road kill, red mud and chewing tobacco off of yours.
You know this is not about your Constitutional Rights.
No one is trying to take away anyone’s rights.
This is about a bunch of uneducated, illiterate, backwoods thinking bunch
of people who are EXTREMELY ignorant and paranoid.
Paul
February 3rd, 2013
8:20 pm
I must have missed the ’skewering’ part, Wayne did a great job.
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
8:21 pm
“Mike Wallace GRILLED HIM like a steak”
Someone is confused
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
8:21 pm
What’s the difference between Beyoncé and the San Francisco 49ers?
Unlike the 49ers, Beyoncé didn’t phone in her performance.
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
8:22 pm
Foxy Cleopatra did a good job
Dixie Normous
February 3rd, 2013
8:22 pm
Got terrible news for you liberals. As bookman himself once pointed out, the NRA gets the vast majority of its funding from its members. People just like me that are life members and donate money to they every month to keep radicals like many of you bokkman/obamabots from implementing your radical laws.Laws like in DC that the NRA proved before the SCOTUS to be UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Many people hate the NRA because they fight to preserve the CONSTITUTION. ALL OF IT.
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
8:23 pm
“I ain’t spoon-feedin’ you. If you’re too inept to find it, you’d sure as hell never watch/read it . .”
In other words, you don’t HAVE any proof
cathy
February 3rd, 2013
8:25 pm
When will we begin an ADULT HONEST discussion about the real issues with Guns / Gun Laws / Crime? My family has collected weapons for years in much the same way others collect art, wine, books (we collect those also.) Most have never been shot. Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens are not the issue.
So let’s talk solutions that will DECREASE GUN VIOLENCE and MAKE A SAFER SOCIETY. Any crime committed with a weapon, upon conviction (including Insanity) will result in a LIFE SENTENCE with no possibility of parole. The criminal will not get access to a law library, free attorney, 3 squares, exercise yard, and free medical. They will work while in prison and the pay will go into a fund for the mentally ill
Society will acknowledge we marginalize mental illness and acknowledge that it is easier for criminals to get access to help for medical and legal assistance than that afforded the mentally ill. AND MORE IMPORANT, we will give legal protection to those treating the mentally ill so they cannot be sued in civil court for divulging potential threats.
I am a responsible gun owner. I am not a fanatic. I am not contemplating the government becoming a dictatorship — however, I also do not anticipate any “NEW” laws decreasing gun crimes.
Criminals have not been given a reason to STOP using weapons. (look at the mad men in Colorado, Arizona, and Texas and watch how long it takes for JUSTICE to prevail…)
old man
February 3rd, 2013
8:25 pm
Jack:
Exactly what kind of national emergency are you postulating? Just an example.
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
8:25 pm
At least the NRA doesn’t get it’s money through confiscation / theft like unions and AARP
But I still don’t agree with lapierre
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 3rd, 2013
8:25 pm
Dixie also loves the ACLU I bet for its fight to preserve the Constitution.
Gun nut totin' a gun in a gun culture. Yep. That's me.
February 3rd, 2013
8:26 pm
OK, comment got screened, justly.
Uh Huh……….Kudos to Mike Wallace for facing down evil: Why would you even suggest that I am the guy, or like the guy, in that stand-off in Alabama? Is your strategy, in absence of intelligent argument or facts, just to throw dirt and accusations?
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
8:26 pm
So far I’d say ads, lackluster
Dixie Normous
February 3rd, 2013
8:26 pm
Uh Huh……….Kudos to Mike Wallace for facing down evil
Mike Wallace huh? Liberals cannot post on an article without looking ignorant. CHRIS WALLACE DUMMY! Thank GOD we have ONE legit news source reporting the news and asking people real questions instead of having Zero and Hillary on and groveling over them for an hour. Let Chris Wallace interview one of those cowards and see what happens. This proves the NRA has far more courage than anyone in zeros administration.
old man
February 3rd, 2013
8:26 pm
“Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens are not the issue.”
Actually it is part of the discussion. What happens when your law abiding wife gets made and blows your brains out?
getalife
February 3rd, 2013
8:26 pm
I will pass on donating to gun lobbyists.
Uh Huh..........Kudos to Mike Wallace for facing down evil
February 3rd, 2013
8:27 pm
@Jm
February 3rd, 2013
8:21 pm
“Mike Wallace GRILLED HIM like a steak”
Someone is confused
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You are right.
Someone people are CONFOOLS.
old man
February 3rd, 2013
8:27 pm
*gets mad*
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
8:28 pm
“People just like me that are life members and donate money to they every month ”
And did you donate every month when LaPierre was defending background checks for EVERY gun sale?
dumb as a rock
February 3rd, 2013
8:28 pm
Keep – I guess the Russians never heard of the candygram attack. Tell me again why we are still in Afghanistan? And no smartass remark about the Vietnam? Thanks for trying to disprove my point, but you failed.
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
8:28 pm
td
Obama has about as much pull with Congress when it comes to suggesting legislation as you do, which is next to none. Obama could suggest anything under the sun, but Congress could completely ignore him and he has no recourse to stop that.
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
8:29 pm
The dudes name isn’t mike Wallace folks
Mike worked for 60 minutes and is now dead
The guys’s name is Chris wallace
Sheesh
Eric
February 3rd, 2013
8:29 pm
If you need more than ten shots to stop an armed intruder, you need two things, shooting lessons and to move out of the Democratic Republic of the Congo…
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
8:29 pm
“When will we begin an ADULT HONEST discussion about the real issues with Guns / Gun Laws / Crime?”
You must not have been around when we DID have serious discussions. Check the archives, they’re still there.
Dixie Normous
February 3rd, 2013
8:29 pm
The ACLU doesnt fight to preserve the ALL of the Constitution. Only the parts that they support and things they think is in the Constitution. Where does it state in the Constitution that a man is allowed to have sex with little boys? Yes liberals at the ACLU have fought for that right. Liberala are sick little people and should be in counselling.
Uh Huh..........Kudos to Mike Wallace for facing down evil
February 3rd, 2013
8:29 pm
@Jm
February 3rd, 2013
8:21 pm
“Mike Wallace GRILLED HIM like a steak”
Someone is confused
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CORRECTION
You are right.
Some PEOPLE are CONFOOLS.
Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
8:31 pm
I think a poster earlier hit on an important point. Faux news as the libs like to call it has one of their reporters grill the head of the NRA. Meanwhile the week before over at ultra left CBS 60 minutes the program gives President Obama an easy softball interview. The kooks will never figure it out.
Libs must have loved the halftime show- lotta flash and style- no substance. Pretty crappy music. Beyonce still looked hot but she could probably stand to lose 5 lbs.
Commercials?- The Rock’s milk commercial was good. So was the skechers where the guy runs down a cheetah. The doritos commercials were ok.
If Baltimore wins then Courtey Upshaw will have won back to back championships in college and pro- one at Bama the year before and a title in his rookie season in the NFL. It would be his 3rd title in 4 years- 2 in college(09,11)- 1 in the pros. Roll Tide.
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
8:32 pm
“Yes liberals at the ACLU have fought for that right”
got proof?
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
8:32 pm
Uh oh 49ers
Barry
February 3rd, 2013
8:32 pm
So Jay, according to you the defensive use of a firearm that happened here in the Metro
Atlanta area recently IMom defended her children and home with a handgun) doesn’t count merely because the thug didn’t die (not from lack of effort, she hit him 5 times)? Your use of the cherry picked statistics you wrote about are spurious and willfully ignorant. Even the Brady bunch at the VPC estimates firearms are used defensively over 50,000 times a year and the CLINTON Justice Dept used a number that was over 800,000 times a year – pick either and it more than adequately underscores the viability of using a firearm for defense. What exactly do you have against women, the elderly and others who may find that a firearm gives them a chance at not being raped, robbed, injured or murdered?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
8:32 pm
*gets mad*
Whew, that’s a relief!
For a moment there I was beginning to believe that wives get “made” like wiseguys do in the mob.
Uh Huh..........Kudos to CHRIS Wallace for facing down evil
February 3rd, 2013
8:32 pm
@Jm
February 3rd, 2013
8:29 pm
The dudes name isn’t mike Wallace folks
Mike worked for 60 minutes and is now dead
The guys’s name is Chris wallace
Sheesh
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YOU ARE RIGHT SIR.
I was thinking of his father who I really RESPECTED and who
was a FAIR and reasonable man.
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
8:32 pm
At least the NRA doesn’t get it’s money through confiscation / theft like unions and AARP
Ummmmm…..
There’s this thing called membership dues that the AARP, unions, and even the NRA collect from it’s members for their membership. I’m beginning to think that some of y’all take pride in being so friggin’ wrong all the time. It’s like y’all have a contest to see who can post the most unfactual crap every day or something.
Gun nut totin' a gun in a gun culture. Yep. That's me.
February 3rd, 2013
8:33 pm
When did Mike Wallace get involved here?
old man
February 3rd, 2013
8:34 pm
I’m still trying to find out what sort of national emergency will arise which will make me glad that everyone is armed to the teeth.
Dixie Normous
February 3rd, 2013
8:34 pm
People just like me that are life members and donate money to they every month ”
And did you donate every month when LaPierre was defending background checks for EVERY gun sale?
I have been contributing to the NRA since I first started working in 1985. Its been especially expensive so far this year. Every time bookman writes about them I send them a check.
old man
February 3rd, 2013
8:35 pm
Actually, with all the gun cult nuts running loose, I’m surprised some husbands don’t give their wives guns so they can go roaming around to shoot random people and get “made.”
Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
8:36 pm
Yep. We had serious discussions about gun control allright. And not one realistic, credible solution. We did get a proposal from Obama that largely would do nothing. But at least he looked good in accomplishing absolutely nothing and of course that makes the kooks happy- its that style vs substance thing again.
And of course I did ask the kooks what anything in Obama’s proposals would have done to have stopped the Newtown massacre had those proposals been law. The answer? Crickets chirping.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
8:36 pm
When did Mike Wallace get involved here?
I see that someone needs to have the “talk” with mommy and daddy about the birds and bees.
Uh Huh..........Kudos to CHRIS Wallace for facing down evil
February 3rd, 2013
8:36 pm
@Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
8:31 pm
Libs must have loved the halftime show- lotta flash and style- no substance. Pretty crappy music. Beyonce still looked hot but she could probably stand to lose 5 lbs.
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Remember that television gives an appearance of more weight than
in REALITY.
If you THINK Beyonce needs to lose 5 pounds….Honey Boo Boo’s mom
JUNE don’t stand a chance with you.
Huh?
old man
February 3rd, 2013
8:38 pm
I think the “national emergency” people refer to is when a large number of gun-owning citizens disagree with the constitutionally elected government, acting constitutionally. So they want to overthrow the government.
That’s not a national emergency.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 3rd, 2013
8:38 pm
Ignore a scumtroll and suddenly they think they be a genius…
old man
February 3rd, 2013
8:39 pm
Guns are designed to kill mammals.
You are a mammal.
Stay away from guns.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
8:39 pm
The lights go out at the Super Bowl.
If that ain’t a sign for the 49ers, I don’t know what is.
td
February 3rd, 2013
8:41 pm
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
8:28 pm
td
Obama has about as much pull with Congress when it comes to suggesting legislation as you do, which is next to none. Obama could suggest anything under the sun, but Congress could completely ignore him and he has no recourse to stop that.
If I remember correctly, Obama said he would get his tax increases on the rich or else and it happened. Did he not say just last week like (paraphrase) Congress will take up immigration reform that addresses my principles or I will send legislation and MAKE them have a vote on it?
Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
8:41 pm
Must have been union lighting electricians.
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
8:44 pm
Doom 8:41
Hilarious
Uh Huh..........Kudos to CHRIS Wallace for facing down evil
February 3rd, 2013
8:44 pm
@Gun nut totin’ a gun in a gun culture. Yep. That’s me.
February 3rd, 2013
8:33 pm
When did Mike Wallace get involved here?
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When his son CHRIS PLAYED LaPierre like a cheap fiddle.
When his son CHRIS GRILLED LaPierre like fresh road kill.
Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
8:44 pm
Always pining for of some Doomy’s attention. Too funny.
me
February 3rd, 2013
8:45 pm
“What’s the difference between Beyoncé and the San Francisco 49ers?
Unlike the 49ers, Beyoncé didn’t phone in her performance.”
She faked that performance worse than your women faking the big O.
All pre recorded. And she sucked.
The Bouncer
February 3rd, 2013
8:47 pm
“On Fox News, NRA’s Wayne LaPierre gets skewered”
So
what.
Lame as f8ck.
Jhunt163
February 3rd, 2013
8:47 pm
Why does Shannon Sharp always talk with a mouth full of rocks?
me
February 3rd, 2013
8:47 pm
New Orleans once again proves it is the toilet bowl of the US.
Oscar
February 3rd, 2013
8:47 pm
doom at 8.36 Don’t think there is a good solution that will satisfay every body. or even something that a majority could agree on. But there will probably be some legislation coming this year. but most people will not be happy. most will think guns are too restricted r not restricted enough.
But, we shpuld spend more more for secuirty at schools and to educate on mental hralth issues.
And we support background checks at gun shows.
BookmanTheWuss
February 3rd, 2013
8:48 pm
PROOF BOOKMAN IS AN IDIOT “If you’re getting robbed at gunpoint on the street, for example, having a concealed weapon in your shoulder holster does you no good at all, and if it tempts you to try something stupid, it could end up getting you and others killed” .
Just bend over and kiss your ^#%} goodbye if that’s how you think. Wuus,,,,,
Soothsayer
February 3rd, 2013
8:48 pm
Pretty embarrassing if you ask me. Get the Super Bowl in New Orleans and forgot to pay the power bill! HAHAHAHAHAHA!
weetamoe
February 3rd, 2013
8:48 pm
Oh Oh–Obama just decided that the NFL uses more then their fair share of power and ordered half rations for the remainder of the Super Bowl game.
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
8:49 pm
td
A blinking vcr clock is right twice a day too. If Congress decides to do what they want instead of what Obama wants, then there is nothing he can do about it. He can write legislation and send it to Congress until he turns pasty White, but that does not mean that Congress even has to entertain him or his legislation. That’s the beauty of the separation of powers that is built into our government.
Oscar
February 3rd, 2013
8:49 pm
Half time show was pretty pathetic.
Oscar
February 3rd, 2013
8:50 pm
Bro – he can veto it.
Gun nut totin' a gun in a gun culture. Yep. That's me.
February 3rd, 2013
8:50 pm
Now for a challenge: Give a workable process to get any guns out of the hands of thugs/punks, etc. The existing ones, not stopping future procurement.
OK? Go.
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So no one has any answers? Only name calling and insults for anyone not agreeing with their POV?
td
February 3rd, 2013
8:50 pm
Serious solution was presented by Wayne today and all the progressives on this blog just ignored it.
Have a Federal Task force to go around and randomly search all probationers and parolees and if they have guns then prosecute them. I think the Federal law says it is a 10 year mandatory sentence for these two subclasses to buy, try to buy or to posses guns. Get them off the streets and gun crime would decrease much more dramatically then any of the current proposed gun laws.
getalife
February 3rd, 2013
8:50 pm
Our stadium is old.
Time for a new one.
Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
8:50 pm
Uh huh,
Sorry but I had to google honey boo boo to find out what the hell it was about. Looks like the kind of jerry springer trash tv that liberals watch to make themselves feel superior to the people they are watching.
Oscar
February 3rd, 2013
8:51 pm
Congress could never get enough to agre on over riding his veto. They could not get that many to agree on whether it is am or pm
moonbat betty
February 3rd, 2013
8:52 pm
Come on Atlanta, 1.5 billion and you too can be the proud sponsor of a Super Bowl.
Come on ATL, show ‘em yo gangsta style!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18NBM3X0mHk
Soothsayer
February 3rd, 2013
8:52 pm
Soothsayer
February 2nd, 2013
6:56 pm
I say Baltimore by 2 touchdowns.
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Oscar
February 3rd, 2013
8:53 pm
If our statium is old than what am I?
indigo
February 3rd, 2013
8:53 pm
Dixie Normous
The NRA just LOVES simple tools like you.
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
8:53 pm
Lots of bs temporary fill commentary
moonbat betty
February 3rd, 2013
8:53 pm
I refuse to watch one snap of this game.
Gun nut totin' a gun in a gun culture. Yep. That's me.
February 3rd, 2013
8:54 pm
I’ll have to check that out, TD. Thanks!
Once all the guns are out of the hands of the thugs, gangs, and other criminals, then I’ll give mine up too. Let me know when y’all get that done.
td
February 3rd, 2013
8:54 pm
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
8:49 pm
td
A blinking vcr clock is right twice a day too. If Congress decides to do what they want instead of what Obama wants, then there is nothing he can do about it. He can write legislation and send it to Congress until he turns pasty White, but that does not mean that Congress even has to entertain him or his legislation. That’s the beauty of the separation of powers that is built into our government.
I understand the separation of powers very well. There is also such a thing as the party system. If Obama wants something then all he has to do is to call the Senate majority leader (D) and the legislation is written and at least o vote will be held.
Oscar
February 3rd, 2013
8:55 pm
td – you cna’t do random searches. ever hear of the constitution. it applies enev to people on probation.
moonbat betty
February 3rd, 2013
8:56 pm
Let’s change the GA Dome to the Lexus Georgia Dome and maybe we get some respect.
Is nothing sacred?????
February 3rd, 2013
8:56 pm
President Barack Obama said Sunday that gays should be allowed in the Boy Scouts
Oscar
February 3rd, 2013
8:56 pm
td – unless reid tells him to get lost. lame duck president won’t help or harm in the next nevada election
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
8:58 pm
Shannon sharpe s a Georgian
Cut him some slack jeez
Oscar
February 3rd, 2013
8:58 pm
boy souts already agrre to let gays in. what’s the point.
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
8:58 pm
Oscar
A presidential veto is only effective when Congress doesn’t have the votes to override it. Based on past performances, presidents don’t seem to remember how to spell veto much less use one.
Uh Huh..........Kudos to CHRIS Wallace for facing down evil
February 3rd, 2013
8:58 pm
@me
February 3rd, 2013
8:45 pm
“What’s the difference between Beyoncé and the San Francisco 49ers?
Unlike the 49ers, Beyoncé didn’t phone in her performance.”
She faked that performance worse than your women faking the big O.
All pre recorded. And she sucked.
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YOU sound like you know about women FAKING. Huh?
Beyonce is taking that fat CHECK to the bank.
What are you taking to the bank?
Gun nut totin' a gun in a gun culture. Yep. That's me.
February 3rd, 2013
9:00 pm
Oscar, not to parolees and probationers. They give up their 4th amendment rights as part of their agreement with the court and law emforcement.
Gun nut totin' a gun in a gun culture. Yep. That's me.
February 3rd, 2013
9:01 pm
*enforcement
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
9:01 pm
Is 8:56
Obama should shut his stupid trap
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
9:02 pm
td
Seems that Obama wanted a budget each year, yet I don’t recall Reid or that party system supporting him. Obama has as much spine as a sour gummi bear, yet y’all conservatives act like he’s Freddy Krueger.
Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
9:02 pm
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
8:53 pm
Lots of bs temporary fill commentary
No kidding. What they should have done is just put up scrolling comments from libs on the Bookman blog. At least the rest of the country would have some comedy to pass the time.
Jackie
February 3rd, 2013
9:02 pm
A study found the source of guns found in Chicago was primarily from one dealer who sold those guns to straw purchasers who sold these guns to anyone who had the money to pay for those guns.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/crime/14715658-418/chicago-gangs-dont-have-to-go-far-to-buy-guns.html
td
February 3rd, 2013
9:02 pm
Oscar
February 3rd, 2013
8:55 pm
td – you cna’t do random searches. ever hear of the constitution. it applies enev to people on probation.
I think you may be mistaken. Conditions of parole or probation is that the person gives up their 4th amendment protections against search.
moonbat betty
February 3rd, 2013
9:03 pm
Doom,
“Sorry but I had to google honey boo boo”
I did too, apparently, honey boo boo is some weird attempt (i.e. liberals) to make fun of the less fortunate to somehow make themselves feel better.
Liberals really like the show. They talk about it all the time.
getalife
February 3rd, 2013
9:03 pm
“Obama should shut his stupid trap”
He is President.
Perhaps you should zip it con.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
9:03 pm
Half time show was pretty pathetic.
Too bootylicious for ya.
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
9:04 pm
Doom 9:02
oldguy
February 3rd, 2013
9:04 pm
A little light reading for you gun haters (at least those of you who can read).
p.s. some of us gun loving rednecks have good educations, better than many of you haters. (Moi) have 2 undergraduate degrees (one in Chem Engineering) and a masters in Software Engineering.
Tallying both sides of the balance sheet on guns
F. Paul Valone
September 5, 1999
Imagine a Standard & Poor’s analyst wrote a report on Microsoft by tallying only the company’s debts and ignoring its earnings and then, based on the sham, pronounced the company insolvent.
Laughable? Certainly. But that’s the rigged accounting used by Duke University researcher Philip Cook and his colleagues in a paper titled, “The Medical Costs of Gunshot Injuries in the United States.” Widely touted by the media for concluding, “Gun shot injury costs represent a substantial burden to the medical care system. Nearly half this cost is borne by US taxpayers”, the paper conveniently appears just as Handgun Control, Inc. solicits litigation against gun makers.
Having filed one such lawsuit, Miami Mayor Alex Penelas slavers over Cook’s conclusion, insisting it “validate[s] what we in government have known all along.” (Those in government, you see, are wiser than you and I).
While Cook makes a credible tally of gun injury costs ($2.3 billion in 1994), his utter lack of a researcher’s most important trait—objectivity—renders him blind to the possibility that defensive gun uses might actually save lives and money.
Nor does Cook seem to care. In 1996, he dismissed peer-reviewed surveys of defensive gun use by saying: “[E]ven if we could develop a reliable estimate of this frequency, it would be of only marginal relevance to the ongoing debate over [gun control].”
By contrast, Sterling Burnett of the National Center for Policy Analysis totals both sides of the balance sheet on guns. He first examines wildly variable estimates of the price of gun violence ranging from $1.4 billion to $440 billion per year. (Some studies cook the books by “guestimating” values for intangibles like victims’ future productivity).
But the NCPA review also cites fifteen surveys estimating between 764,000 and 3.6 million cases annually in which citizens use guns for self defense. Because merely displaying a firearm often deters crime, criminals are shot in less than 3 percent of cases.
A widely cited self-defense survey by criminologist Gary Kleck, for example, estimates 2.5 million defensive gun uses per year. Even Cook confirmed that estimate….before refusing to accept his own results.
Given the cost of crimes prevented by defensive gun uses, the NCPA report concludes that even under assumptions most favorable to gun control advocates, the net benefit of guns in society ranges up to $3.5 billion.
Cook equally ignores the benefits of crimes deterred. When researchers James Wright and Peter Rossi surveyed convicted felons, for example, they found 39% avoided committing crimes when they feared victims might be armed.
And when economist John Lott studied concealed handgun laws, he found they deter rape, murder and aggravated assault. He concluded universal adoption of such laws could prevent 1,570 murders, 4,177 rapes, and 60,000 aggravated assaults each year.
If you doubt criminals avoid armed victims, I’ll cheerfully provide you a sign for your front door proclaiming, “Proud To Be Gun-Free!”
Finally, let’s consider the “good riddance factor.” Hardly the Brady Bunch, gunshot victims are often criminals. In a study of Charlotte shootings, 64% of victims had been convicted of a crime. In another study, 71% of drive-by shooting victims were members of street gangs. Homicide victims with arrest records average 9.5 prior offenses per “victim.”
Take Tracy Hopper. Killed three weeks ago in a Charlotte bar, he’d achieved two prior convictions and a standing indictment for murder. Dead at the tender age of 20, Hopper typifies what gun control advocates mislabel “children killed by guns.”
Then we have Adrian Rodricka Cathey who, last fall, had the misfortune to pick the wrong victim. When he broke into a woman’s apartment and attacked her with a knife, she shot him dead. Arrested for five violent felonies (including three sexual assaults), DNA evidence later proved Cathey’s busy career included four recent rapes.
Can we attach a price to prevention of rape? Or perhaps to Cathey’s future victims? Cook does: By his bookkeeping, shooting predators like Cathey represents a “burden to the medical care system.”
A Tennessee Law Review paper described this sort of research by saying, “the anti-gun health advocacy literature is a ‘sagecraft’ literature in which partisan academic ‘sages’ prostitute scholarship, systematically inventing, misinterpreting, selecting, or otherwise manipulating data to validate preordained political conclusions.”
Biased researchers like Philip Cook carefully ignore what should be a central question of the gun debate: Not whether we can dredge up 100 or 1,000 cases in which firearms are misused, but whether gun ownership, on balance, is a detriment or a benefit. Their refusal to acknowledge the question might suggest they already know the answer.
Jackie
February 3rd, 2013
9:05 pm
@td
Once a person is released for custody, the only constitutional right that is not automatically restored is their right to vote in some states.
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
9:06 pm
Getalife
Obama doesn’t know when to shut up, seriously
BSA was already going to permit gays
And there are a lot of difficult things to figure out for them
Especially since he has no clue what BSA is about, he should shut the f up
getalife
February 3rd, 2013
9:09 pm
jm,
He was asked the question.
Deal with the answer.
Their “leaders” got busted for molesting so ……
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
9:10 pm
New Orleans
Third world infrastructure
Nothing much new there
td
February 3rd, 2013
9:11 pm
Jackie
February 3rd, 2013
9:05 pm
@td
Once a person is released for custody, the only constitutional right that is not automatically restored is their right to vote in some states.
That is very hard for me to believe that a person on probation (serving sentence while out of jail) in any state has all their rights immediately restored upon release. Can you please show some proof?