On Fox News, NRA’s Wayne LaPierre gets skewered
What happened when NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre and Fox News’ Chris Wallace debated gun control this morning?
Let’s just say that if the Super Bowl is this one-sided, millions of TV sets will be turned off by halftime.
Also, in another tragic case that casts doubt on the usefulness of guns as a self-defense measure, former Navy SEAL Chris Kyle was shot and killed yesterday evening at a gun range in Texas. Kyle came to national fame as a sniper who claimed more than 150 kills, supposedly making him the most prolific sniper in U.S. military history. Kyle wrote a best-selling book, “American Sniper,” about his experience and parlayed his fame into a regular spot on the reality show “Stars Earn Stripes.”
He leaves a wife and two children.
UPDATE: I’ve dealt with this several times in the comments below, but let me post it here as well. Yes, the circumstances of Kyle’s death suggest that he was given no real chance by his killer to defend himself. But the sad truth is, that’s almost always the case anyway. The good guy almost never gets the drop on the bad guy; the Keith Ratliff murder here in Georgia is another example of that reality.
In almost every case, the person who draws the weapon first has an overwhelming advantage, and most of the time the person who pulls first is the criminal. If you’re getting robbed at gunpoint on the street, for example, having a concealed weapon in your shoulder holster does you no good at all, and if it tempts you to try something stupid, it could end up getting you and others killed.
Let’s review the hard data, shall we? Each year, the FBI reports, some 200 justifiable homicides are committed with a firearm. That’s a tiny, tiny number, given the estimated 300 million firearms in circulation. That’s one justifiable homicide for each 1.5 million firearms. That’s the basis on which these fantasies are built. (And for the record, I recognize and support the constitutional right to possess firearms for home defense, etc.)
On the other hand, some 10,000 people are murdered each year with a firearm.
– Jay Bookman
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Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
6:12 pm
You either support law-abiding citizens RIGHT to own firearms alongside law enforcement OR you support the use of force (arms) of the government to take away arms and be the only ones to have them.
You’re either a cowboy or an Indian?
I think it’s time for you to graduate to big-boy pants.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 3rd, 2013
6:13 pm
Perhaps we can do more to solve the problems in Chicago by laws like the one in Mass that makes it a crime to wear your pants below your underwear… well except if you are running at Northeastern in the underwear race.
http://shot97.com/2013/01/massachusetts-sagging-pants-psa
Oh the black on black underwear crime……
Gun control or...is it?
February 3rd, 2013
6:14 pm
“On the other hand, some 10,000 people are murdered each year with a firearm”
Curious, in general, what are the demographics and SES of the criminal/shooter? PERHAPS, in general, the problem is not the gun, but the crimimal/shooter…but, we don’t want to go there…
indigo
February 3rd, 2013
6:15 pm
Jay – 6:06
If fully automatic AK-47’s legally went on sale, gun stores would be jammed.
If any and all weapons, no matter what, could legally be sold, gun nuts would bankrupct themselves builing up their arsenal against the perceived Govt. “takeover”.
And, yes, most of them would think this was perfectly legal under the 2nd ammendment.
Funny, in a pathetic way. The same Govt. that allows the sale of assualt rifes, is, at the same time, out to get them.
getalife
February 3rd, 2013
6:16 pm
“pea brain wing nuts attack the president!! their act is predictable and stale”
They are staying the course focusing on getting our President.
It is sad and pathetic.
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
6:18 pm
Jackie
Nah, just another regular American trying to untie the knot of jackassery that currently has our country more stopped up than a person who’s eaten grilled cheese sammiches made of gov’t cheese for an entire month.
Union
February 3rd, 2013
6:19 pm
“funny, lapecker gets exposed for the idiot he is, and the pea brain wing nuts attack the president!! their act is predictable and stale”
as with just about any liberal argument.. including the inability to express ones views without degrading someone through the use of insults and inflammatory language.
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
6:20 pm
indigo
Any revelations on the makeup of the Sandy Hook Chorus that’s singing at the Super Bowl that you’d like to share with us? I know how you just love pointing out the makeup of these school groups and such.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
6:20 pm
…the problem is not the gun, but the crimimal/shooter…but, we don’t want to go there…
Jim David Adkisson says, “What?”
indigo
February 3rd, 2013
6:21 pm
Union – 6:10
You are utterly clueless as to what our forefathers intention was.
I’ll tell you what is was not.
It was not intended to turn America into a shooting gallery where even 5 and 6 year old school children aren’t safe.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
6:22 pm
including the inability to express ones views without degrading someone through the use of insults and inflammatory language.
Ann Coulter says, “What?”
Jackie
February 3rd, 2013
6:23 pm
@Brospehus
Applause, applause, applause.
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
6:23 pm
as with just about any liberal argument.. including the inability to express ones views without degrading someone through the use of insults and inflammatory language.
Wow!!!!!! So Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh are really liberals????
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 3rd, 2013
6:24 pm
Mandatory gun insurance: Gun ownership, even in the hands of responsible people, increases the risk of death and serious injury to others. In cases involving multiple deaths, few gun owners could afford to compensate victims’ families for their losses, just as most automobile owners couldn’t afford to compensate the families of accident victims. With automobiles, we require all vehicle owners to carry liability insurance. A similar approach would help with firearms.
Nothing in the constitution grants people the right to expose others to serious risk without compensation. Insurance sellers are skillful at estimating the risks posed by drivers with specific characteristics, and we could expect them to be similarly skillful at assessing the risks posed by gun owners. Requiring liability insurance isn’t a total solution to the problem of excessive risk, either for autos or for guns. But in both cases, it’s a positive step.
Jackie
February 3rd, 2013
6:26 pm
@Brosephus
When you present facts that can not deconstructed, the foolishness suddenly comes to an abrupt pause.
Gun nut totin' a gun in a gun culture. Yep. That's me.
February 3rd, 2013
6:26 pm
“The name is playing of the liberals gun control fanatics inability to simply call me a person.”
Says the guy who said, “Oh. You thought you could come to a Bookman blog and get a rational real world conversation?”
What a phony.
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How’s that? I use a phony name? Is there something else bothering you? What do you think you know, DannyX?
Peace
February 3rd, 2013
6:26 pm
Can’t we just move on from all this jabbering about the “right to bear arms?” It’s guaranteed in the Second Amendment. Just consider it an ‘individual’s right to choose’. It didn’t take a Supreme Court decision to give us this ‘right to choose’. Gun owners don’t even petition the government for taxpayer funded ammunition. Maybe they should.
indigo
February 3rd, 2013
6:27 pm
Brosephus – 6:20
I assume, from that comment, that its perfectly OK with you for American schools to gradually slide back into segregation.
Considering all the blood, tears and pain America went thru to get rid of segregation, I’m at a loss to understand your kind of thinking.
Maybe its “to hell with integration, just don’t segregate me”.
If so, don’t call any white people “racist” who have the same “to hell with integration” attitude.
Stan
February 3rd, 2013
6:32 pm
I love how those delusional think the 2nd amendment means they should have any semi or fully automatic weapon they want….even Scalia said “Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose”……this means not every idiot bubba has the right to own an Uzi for home protection!
CC
February 3rd, 2013
6:34 pm
Jay:
“Let me ask you, CC: Do you believe the 2nd Amendment guarantees you the right to own a .50 caliber machine gun? And if not, why not, given that the right “shall not be infringed”?”
Certainly, it does. As the amendment says, ’shall not be infringed’.
Let me ask you: How many people have been killed by U. S. citizen civilian-owned .30 or .50 caliber machine guns within the U. S. in the past fifty years?
Andrea
February 3rd, 2013
6:35 pm
I wonder what would have happened to the mother in GA who recently fired upon an intruder who broke through three locked doors in an attempt to get to her and her twin children. I suspect that if she had not fired upon him, she and her children would have suffered great bodily harm and perhaps death. I own firearms for protection and I’m all for stricter background checks, limiting the number of rounds that can go in a magazine/clip and prosecuting firearm crimes to the fullest extent the law allows.
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
6:37 pm
Chris Wallace has become one of the best interviewers out there. Period.
Stan
February 3rd, 2013
6:38 pm
Andrea, you are absolutely right! Guns, for people who are allowed to have them…..no problem……semi automatic weapons and 30 rounds clips….belong in the hands of soldiers…..not civilians
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 3rd, 2013
6:38 pm
Oh and for our Comedy Central watching friend:
One failed attempt at a shoe bomb and we all take off our shoes at the airport. Thirty-one school shootings since Columbine and no change in our regulations of guns” — John Oliver
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
February 3rd, 2013
6:39 pm
Maybe LaPierre and all you wannabe Rambo’s should start a club like that old Ursula Andress movie, “The Tenth Victim”. Then you could play with your assault weapons for real.
“In the near future, big wars are avoided by giving individuals with violent tendencies a chance to kill in the Big Hunt. The Hunt is the most popular form of entertainment in the world and also attracts participants who are looking for fame and fortune. It includes ten rounds for each competitor, five as the hunter and five as the victim. The survivor of ten rounds becomes extremely wealthy and retires.”
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Then, at least, we would be rid of most of you “bad” asses…
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
6:41 pm
I dare say Tim Russert might be more proud of Wallace’s work than Gregory
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
6:41 pm
Go 49ers
Ray Lewis is a thug
the truth
February 3rd, 2013
6:43 pm
Bookman still thinks crimes are committed by guns. Like many other damn fools.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
6:44 pm
The 49ers don’t seem to have an offense or defense.
Stan
February 3rd, 2013
6:45 pm
no, guns are used in crimes…..take semi automatic weapons out of the hands of thugs/criminals….you diminish their ability to bring big firepower against cops and civilians
Joel
February 3rd, 2013
6:46 pm
It’s kind of morbid to insinuate that one must kill one’s attacker.
the truth
February 3rd, 2013
6:46 pm
Fools like Bookman ignore the slaughter from DUI, but focus on the politically correct issue of ‘gun control’. Fools like Bookman think criminals will stop using guns to commit crimes when guns are ‘banned’. Fools like Bookman continue use the issue of ‘banning guns’ to deflect from their failed policies of ‘librul topia’.
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
6:46 pm
I’m speculating here, but my guess is Kyle thought the guy that killed him was nutso and refused to do instruction with him
And Kyle was right it appears, if my speculation is correct
(subject to revision as more facts come out)
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
6:46 pm
That go daddy ad is just sooooooooooooooooo wrong.
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
6:48 pm
“Bookman still thinks crimes are committed by guns”
Got proof?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
6:48 pm
Fools like Bookman ignore the slaughter from DUI…
Again — addressed numerous times on other threads about this topic.
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
6:49 pm
The truth
I hope DUI laws are revised after cars can drive themselves
Though that is unlikely because laws hardly ever get taken off the books
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
6:49 pm
Jackie
I think the foolishness actually goes to DEFCON 1, but that’s just my viewpoint.
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indigo: I assume, from that comment, that its perfectly OK with you for American schools to gradually slide back into segregation.
You assume wrong, as usual for you, so I’m not surprised that you would assume such anyway. I was merely curious as you tend to bloviate anytime an all-Black school group is shown. Seems that you have more racial hangups than I do. I only pointed that out to show your hypocrisy in that you made no mention of the all-White group.
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
6:51 pm
Kam
I think the godaddy ad is great except for the excessive lip smacking audio…..
Joel
February 3rd, 2013
6:51 pm
Reliable statistics are not kept on people who defend themselves with firearms or otherwise. I am sure the AJC can look through their news stories so that we can get a better idea of how many civilians defend themselves without killing their attackers.
getalife
February 3rd, 2013
6:51 pm
Walter is a lucky man.
Richard Bagge
February 3rd, 2013
6:53 pm
A question for Wayne LaPierre’s supporters: He made the point a couple of times in the last week that the second amendment was written in the wake of the revolution against George III, so that people could defend themselves against government tyranny.
The United States has existed for about 240 years now. Can we not agree that we’re the good guys *yet*?
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
6:55 pm
Enter your comments here”Reliable statistics are not kept on people who defend themselves with firearms or otherwise”
Got proof?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
6:57 pm
So far, M&Ms is winning the ad war.
CC
February 3rd, 2013
6:58 pm
“The United States has existed for about 240 years now. Can we not agree that we’re the good guys *yet*?”
We haven’t had a government contemplate going up against an unarmed population . . . “yet”.
td
February 3rd, 2013
7:00 pm
“Figures collected by Syracuse University’s TRAC project, the authority on prosecutions from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, shows that the administration has reduced the focus on gun crimes and instead steered prosecutors and investigators to drug crimes.
Gun prosecutions peaked at 10,937 under Bush in 2004. A current TRAC report shows that the Obama administration is prosecuting about 6,000 weapons cases.
According to an October 2011 TRAC report, “There also has been a shifting emphasis towards drug-related investigations. Since ATF-referred prosecutions peaked in FY 2005, the number of weapons prosecutions actually has fallen by 32 percent, a much higher rate than for ATF prosecutions overall. Making up the difference has been the growing number of drug cases, up by 26 percent during the same period.”
In 2011, the Obama gun prosecutions hit a low for the decade, but there has been a slight uptick in prosecutions this year, said another TRAC report.”
http://washingtonexaminer.com/gun-prosecutions-under-obama-down-more-than-45-percent/article/2516175
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
7:02 pm
We haven’t had a government contemplate going up against an unarmed population . . . “yet”.
I haven’t had a make-out session with Bar Rafaeli . . . “yet”.
td
February 3rd, 2013
7:04 pm
Repost from page two since no one seemed to notice that existing laws are not being enforced.
If we are enforcing the current laws on the books (and this is what Wayne was saying) in cities like Chicago then we would not have to talk about “infringing” on the rights of the American people. Current laws on the books that are either not being enforced at all or are barely being enforced:
I. POSSESSION OF A FIREARM OR AMMUNITION BY A PROHIBITED
PERSON:
18 USC § 922(g) & (n). Punishable by up to 10 years imprisonment. May receive
minimum sentence of 15 years without parole if offender has three or more prior
convictions for a felony crime of violence (e.g. burglary, robbery, assault, possession
of offensive weapons) and/or drug trafficking felony
USE, CARRY OR POSSESS A FIREARM IN RELATION TO OR IN
FURTHERANCE OF A DRUG FELONY OR A FEDERAL CRIME OF
VIOLENCE:
18 USC § 924(c). Punishment ranges from at least 5 years up to life imprisonment,
without parole, or death if death results from use of firearm. Sentence must be
served consecutive to any other sentence. Mandatory minimum sentence increases
depending upon: the type of firearm involved (sawed-off gun, silencer, etc.);
whether more than one offense was committed; and whether gun was simply
possessed or was brandished or discharged.
STOLEN FIREARM, AMMUNITION OR EXPLOSIVE:
18 USC §§842(h); 922(i), (j) & (u). Punishable by up to 10 years imprisonment.
A. May not receive, possess, conceal, store, pledge or accept as security for a loan, barter, sell or
ship or transport across a state line any stolen firearm, ammunition or explosive.
B. May not steal or unlawfully take or carry away a firearm from the person or premises of a
firearms licensee.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 3rd, 2013
7:06 pm
I haven’t had a make-out session with Bar Rafaeli . . . “yet”.
I’ll let her know but I’ve had her pretty busy lately.
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
7:06 pm
“We haven’t had a government contemplate going up against an unarmed population”
It doesn’t matter how much the “government” wants to go up against it’s population if the Armed Forces won’t obey that order.
AWJ
February 3rd, 2013
7:08 pm
Jay—
lets go ahead and use your numbers of 200 justifiable homicides per 10000 gun deaths as the only relavent data in firearms preventing crime. You say that is an insignificant amount. Statistically, you would be correct. Why don’t you ask those 200 people that are still alive if their life is insignificant. The problem is that no gun ban, AWB,etc. would do a ting to gun violence statistics. The problem that you liberals don’t understand is that there is no utopia where guns will never exist…That is not an arguable point. Once you start from there, taking firearms out of “good guys” hands can only be bad. The million dollar question is how do we keep them out of bad guys hands while not infringing on “good guys” rights…I think a universal background check under the correct definitions is a good place to start..
Just curious since you seem to love Obama, what are your thoughts on the the Fast and Furious Scandal?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
7:09 pm
OK, the Rav 4 commercial just took the lead.
justicejc
February 3rd, 2013
7:10 pm
You have slendered the NRA vice President of The NRA Wayne LA Pierre regarding “Universal Gun Registry. That is all we need a data base of everyone in the united states names addresses of alll gun owers. This would sure be a big reward for someone to sell the Universal data base registry of all gun owners for another country take over to go house to house with a list of all guns owned by honest citizens. The data base would be a easy target to steal and sell to another country. Let me tell you sometihing Mr. Chris Wallace tthe no brainer . You can’t control crime from bad people. and it can happen anytime. I live in Buffalo NY and we have shootings everyday in the black people neighborhoods. So don’t go on blaming a freak school shooting on the American people. We will not let you or this government give us a bad name because you want to control everyone. So Obama People give the President of the United States another Black nameto his white house. Thats what the president wants take away the guns from the honest citizens so the blacks can come in open arms and take what they want. Over my dead body will this happen or take place. The Universal checks we NRA members oppose of it because our government has no smarts but to create a data base of all weapons all the citizens own. Nothing will be solved and more killing will be as killing as usual in all cities of low life druggies and criminals that get weapons other then gun stores and gun dealers. Black market of guns are in every states and this federal government does nothing about it. If you Mr. Chris Wallace is looking for a revolt by the NRA , The Armed honest citizens of this country, Just let this government pass a idiot gun bill that invades the privacy of the 2ND. Ammendment and the 4TH. Amendment. Tiernny will be stopped at the corner of the street not at the place of honest good citizens live.. So if thats your thinking of controlling the American people., Bring it on.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
7:10 pm
Keep
td
February 3rd, 2013
7:11 pm
Jay
“Let me ask you, CC: Do you believe the 2nd Amendment guarantees you the right to own a .50 caliber machine gun? And if not, why not, given that the right “shall not be infringed”?”
Please allow me to answer. My reading of the Constitution and what the founders said around the ratification of the Bill of rights did not intend for any military gun to be outlawed. Now, the recent SCOTUS decision in Heller said their could be “reasonable” restrictions and restricting fully automatic guns could be considered “reasonable” to a great deal of the American people.
Now how can the progressives say that it is “reasonable” to restrict the people from having some Semi Auto guns but it is OK to have other Semi auto guns?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
7:13 pm
Who’s Tiernny and why should he/she be stopped?
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
7:14 pm
“You have slendered ”
Funny. He didn’t look fat to me.
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
7:14 pm
Current laws on the books that are either not being enforced at all or are barely being enforced:
Umm…. If you’re gonna state Federal statutes are not being enforced, you do realize that someone has to be arrested by feds to be charged with federal crimes, right? John’s Creek PD can’t arrest you and charge you with breaking a federal law as they don’t have that authority.
Here’s a hint for you. When you cite any law that has “USC” somewhere within, that signifies a federal statute. If you want those laws enforced, then you’re actually asking for heavy handed federal enforcement of the laws. Is that truly what you, a conservative, want? Heavy federal law enforcement?
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
7:16 pm
You have slendered the NRA vice President of The NRA Wayne LA Pierre regarding “Universal Gun Registry.
How do you slender someone? I need to drop a few pounds myself. If it’s not painful, let me know.
The Carnivore
February 3rd, 2013
7:17 pm
Who gave this liberal a column? Tell you what – the Democrats can voluntarily give up their guns if it makes them feel better. I’m keeping mine, including my two .50 caliber weapons that Jay says I’m somehow not allowed to own.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
7:17 pm
Funny. He didn’t look fat to me.
Musta dialed 1-900-Jenny
The Carnivore
February 3rd, 2013
7:23 pm
And furthermore, who let the Democrats define this issue as “gun control” anyway? You could easily reframe this debate as not “gun control”, but “racial control” if you bother to look at the statistics. But those still restricted by political correctness won’t allow that, will they?
This whole thing makes me sick. Liberals, sell your guns to a conservative. We’ll pay fair market value right now. But don’t expect us to defend you when bad things happen later. At least some of the country needs to remain armed to protect the wailing misfits who are so short-sighted in their vision that they allow their rights to be trampled.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 3rd, 2013
7:25 pm
This would sure be a big reward for someone to sell the Universal data base registry of all gun owners for another country take over to go house to house with a list of all guns owned by honest citizens.
Ahh, the Red Dawners cry… After beating our military, it’s going to be the remaining citizens who will rise up. But a country that can defeat our military can’t, of course, check credit card records, gun website email lists, gun club membership lists, competition records, NRA membership records, facebook posts or any other “records” indicating gun ownership. Dawners be nearly insane.
td
February 3rd, 2013
7:26 pm
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
7:14 pm
Current laws on the books that are either not being enforced at all or are barely being enforced:
Umm…. If you’re gonna state Federal statutes are not being enforced, you do realize that someone has to be arrested by feds to be charged with federal crimes, right? John’s Creek PD can’t arrest you and charge you with breaking a federal law as they don’t have that authority.
Here’s a hint for you. When you cite any law that has “USC” somewhere within, that signifies a federal statute. If you want those laws enforced, then you’re actually asking for heavy handed federal enforcement of the laws. Is that truly what you, a conservative, want? Heavy federal law enforcement?
Can not the Federal government enter into an agreement with a state that says it will hold any violation for Federal pickup as is currently done with immigration laws?
If enforcing existing Federal laws are so difficult then why would the American people want any more guns laws on the books that would turn more law abiding citizens into criminals?
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
7:29 pm
Damn, did Home Depot have a Winter Straw Sale today? Some people appear to live in their own little straw worlds.
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
7:32 pm
Can not the Federal government enter into an agreement with a state that says it will hold any violation for Federal pickup as is currently done with immigration laws?
Sure they could. Wouldn’t it be more cost effective AND more enforcement effective if the state and locals spent their time enforcing THEIR OWN laws instead of having to worry about theirs and the fed laws? If you want a “super” police force, then be prepared to pay them for what you want them to do. Paying somebody $35k to enforce local, state, and federal laws won’t get it.
If enforcing existing Federal laws are so difficult then why would the American people want any more guns laws on the books that would turn more law abiding citizens into criminals?
If I remember correctly, the president suggested enforcing EXISTING laws. That doesn’t require writing any more laws.
Joel
February 3rd, 2013
7:35 pm
Doggone/GA, how exactly would you like me to prove that something does not in fact exist?
jeffrey d
February 3rd, 2013
7:38 pm
That’s why you never see Obama on Fox, he can’t handle a real objective interview.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
I’m very glad that’s at the top
CC
February 3rd, 2013
7:39 pm
“It doesn’t matter how much the “government” wants to go up against it’s population if the Armed Forces won’t obey that order.”
The armed forces are currently being ‘conditioned’ to accept orders to fire on American citizens.
td
February 3rd, 2013
7:41 pm
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
7:32 pm
Can not the Federal government enter into an agreement with a state that says it will hold any violation for Federal pickup as is currently done with immigration laws?
Sure they could. Wouldn’t it be more cost effective AND more enforcement effective if the state and locals spent their time enforcing THEIR OWN laws instead of having to worry about theirs and the fed laws? If you want a “super” police force, then be prepared to pay them for what you want them to do. Paying somebody $35k to enforce local, state, and federal laws won’t get it.
I do not see how this is an additional burden. If the local police pick up a probation person, parolee or arrest someone committing a felony while with a gun then you hold the person and call the Feds for pickup. This keeps the person out of the state system and puts them in the Federal system where there is more truth in sentencing guidelines.
“If I remember correctly, the president suggested enforcing EXISTING laws. That doesn’t require writing any more laws.”
OK and let us enforce them. What are these additional laws that Obama is suggesting all about?
Gun nut totin' a gun in a gun culture. Yep. That's me.
February 3rd, 2013
7:41 pm
Stan…Stan…Stan…”.take semi automatic weapons out of the hands of thugs/criminals….you diminish their ability to bring big firepower against cops and civilians”
Semi-automatic weapons? You mean like that .38 the lady in Duluth used? One trigger pull=one shot. Maybe you meant “fully automatic”? Hard to tell when liberals are wrong by mistake or on purpose.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
7:43 pm
As a professional championship sporting contest, this game sux!
Gun nut totin' a gun in a gun culture. Yep. That's me.
February 3rd, 2013
7:43 pm
Now for a challenge: Give a workable process to get any guns out of the hands of thugs/punks, etc. The existing ones, not stopping future procurement.
OK? Go.
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
7:43 pm
The armed forces are currently being ‘conditioned’ to accept orders to fire on American citizens.
Lemme guess, you never served in the military, right? The armed forces take an oath to defend the Constitution against ALL enemies, both foreign and domestic. If an American citizen does not wish to be targeted, then they should not become an enemy of the Constitution. It’s just that simple.
Dixie Normous
February 3rd, 2013
7:46 pm
Thats called a legitimate news interview. Something MSNBC, CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, and all the other liberal ZERO apologists could learn about. When liberals go on their favorite news shows its a lovefest. Nice to see a radical like bookman pointing out a REAL news service. Good job Fox News. And I fully support the NRA. Too bad bookmans favorite news orgs do not have the same standards as FNC. Instead liberals slobber all over each other.
LT5000
February 3rd, 2013
7:50 pm
Jay is another clueless “journalist” for the AJC. He makes Rick Badie look like Walter Cronkite.
He keeps clinging to his “200 justifiable homicides per year” as if only a crime deterred with a firearm has to involve a homicide”. He should be including the numberous crimes that were stopped because a firearm was present.
In reality gun crime has been declining across the US for the past decade.. And oddly enough, the area where it is highest have some of the toughest gun control laws in the US (Chicago and Washington DC). It has also dropped in areas where conceal and carry is allowed.
When you breakdown the gun related murders in the US, you find that a large majority are commited with illegaly purchased guns. Jay in his infinite wisdom seems to think that by passing more laws, the criminals will suddenly start following despite all evidence to the contrary.
And the AJC wonders why their circulation keeps plummeting. It’s because it has a staff that is more interested in earning their Obama kneepads instead of actually practicing real journalism.
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
7:50 pm
“Doggone/GA, how exactly would you like me to prove that something does not in fact exist?”
You made the claim. If you have no proof, then we know exactly how much credence to give your statement…NONE
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
7:52 pm
OK? Go.
Ummmmmm… no.
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
7:52 pm
“The armed forces are currently being ‘conditioned’ to accept orders to fire on American citizens”
got proof?
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
7:54 pm
I do not see how this is an additional burden.
Of course you don’t. You’re not a cop either or work in law enforcement, right?
What are these additional laws that Obama is suggesting all about?
What additional laws? You do know the difference between an Executive Action and a law, right? Do we need to break out the Schoolhouse Rock video tonight?
http://nation.foxnews.com/gun-control/2013/01/16/obamas-23-executive-actions-guns
1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11. Nominate an ATF director.
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
Out of that entire list, numbers 5 and 9 are probably the only two that would need any kind of legislation. So, all these additional laws are likely 2 laws. However, I know you far righties consider that as 10 laws too many.
Uh Huh..........Kudos to Mike Wallace for facing down evil
February 3rd, 2013
7:59 pm
@Dixie Normous
February 3rd, 2013
7:46 pm
Thats called a legitimate news interview. Something MSNBC, CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, and all the other liberal ZERO apologists could learn about. When liberals go on their favorite news shows its a lovefest. Nice to see a radical like bookman pointing out a REAL news service. Good job Fox News. And I fully support the NRA. Too bad bookmans favorite news orgs do not have the same standards as FNC. Instead liberals slobber all over each other.
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“liberals slobber all over each other?”
Wayne LaPierre was SLOBBERING and STRUTTING.
Mike Wallace GRILLED HIM like a steak.
Having a gun did not HELP former Navy SEAL Chris Kyle who was shot and killed.
This AIN’T about gun laws this is about Wayne LaPierre and the GUN MANUFACTURERS
pulling one OVER on the ignorant and uneducated.
FAUX News GOT IT RIGHT THIS TIME.
Show evil where it EXITS.
Gun advocates are BEING PLAYED for THEIR MONEY by LaPierre
and the gun industry.
old man
February 3rd, 2013
8:01 pm
The gun cult has created the myth that by owning a gun, you are made safer.
The CDC proved that was a lie years ago. That’s why the NRA and other gun cult members rely on dramatic stories.
They don’t like statistics.
Wondering
February 3rd, 2013
8:01 pm
How many times does someone produce a weapons to stop a crime?
I know of several incidents where the would-be victim merely showed his weapons and the criminal decided to go elsewhere.
Those incidents are rarely reported or counted.
Get Real
February 3rd, 2013
8:02 pm
All you Fox-a-phobics are too funny. You actually think the network is 24×7 Hannity.
Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace is a terrific news show, the balanced panel discussion following the guest interviews is also very interesting.
CC
February 3rd, 2013
8:03 pm
Doggone/GA:
I ain’t spoon-feedin’ you. If you’re too inept to find it, you’d sure as hell never watch/read it . . .
Uh Huh..........Kudos to Mike Wallace for facing down evil
February 3rd, 2013
8:04 pm
@LT5000
February 3rd, 2013
7:50 pm
In reality gun crime has been declining across the US for the past decade.. And oddly enough, the area where it is highest have some of the toughest gun control laws in the US (Chicago and Washington DC). It has also dropped in areas where conceal and carry is allowed.
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“In reality gun crime has been declining across the US for the past decade.. ”
From your MOUTH to GOD’S HEAR.
IFgun crime has been declining across the US for the past decade
Then WHY are GUN ADVOCATES buying guns?
Why?…because they are ignorant and uneducated.
Jm
February 3rd, 2013
8:04 pm
“FAUX News GOT IT RIGHT THIS TIME.”
Chris Wallace got it right, and usually does.
indigo
February 3rd, 2013
8:04 pm
Brosephus – 6:49
All my “bloviate” comments, in the past, have been about all black schools in Atlanta.
If I see any newscasts showing any Atlanta all white schools, you’ll be the first to know.
old man
February 3rd, 2013
8:05 pm
Wondering–
How many times does producing a weapon start a gunfight in which the crime victim is shot and killed, when otherwise the criminal would have simply taken your wallet and left?
old man
February 3rd, 2013
8:08 pm
Statistically, if you are unarmed, the odds of being shot by an armed robber are almost nil.
If you are in a raging gunfight with someone at close range, the odds of you being shot are about 50 percent.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
8:09 pm
I ain’t spoon-feedin’ you. If you’re too inept to find it, you’d sure as hell never watch/read it . . .
You made the claim, sport.
Either back it up or slither away like the whipped puppy you are.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 3rd, 2013
8:10 pm
I know of several incidents where the would-be victim merely showed his weapons and the criminal decided to go elsewhere.
Clear up, Whole Foods aisle 6!!!!! Sure, someone “would-be victim” supposedly stops a carjacking and being all civic minded and stuff decides not to report it to the police. Imaginary stops of imaginary crimes are up 600% this year.
dumb as a rock
February 3rd, 2013
8:13 pm
indigo wrote : Incredibly, you don’t seem to understand that, if that actually happened, your guns would be no match for F-18 super hornets, tanks, RPG’s, grenade launchers, artillery and JDAM’s, just to name a few of the weapons in our Military’s arsenal.
Tell that to the Norh Vietnamese. Tell that to the Afghanistans.
old man
February 3rd, 2013
8:13 pm
Enter your comments here
td
February 3rd, 2013
8:13 pm
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
7:54 pm
The list you provided was the executive orders Obama posted. What about the actual laws he wants Congress to pass? You know assault weapons ban, 10 round max magazines and universal background checks. I can see you Feds now enforcing the 10 round mag max. What are you going to do walk up to a person carrying and telling them to pull their mag out and count the bullets?
Uh Huh..........Kudos to Mike Wallace for facing down evil
February 3rd, 2013
8:14 pm
@Gun nut totin’ a gun in a gun culture. Yep. That’s me.
February 3rd, 2013
7:43 pm
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IS this you?
Man at center of Alabama standoff
Neighbors described Jim Lee Dykes as a man who once beat a dog to death with a lead pipe, threatened to shoot children for setting foot on his property, and patrolled his yard at night with a flashlight and a firearm.
Yep..sounds like a Gun nut totin’ a gun in a gun culture. Yep. That’s YOU.
Jay
February 3rd, 2013
8:14 pm
I can’t believe they did Vince Lombardi like that….
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 3rd, 2013
8:15 pm
Tell that to the Norh Vietnamese. Tell that to the Afghanistans
Candygram for Osama Bin Laden….candygram…
Dixie Normous
February 3rd, 2013
8:16 pm
Wondering–
How many times does producing a weapon start a gunfight in which the crime victim is shot and killed, when otherwise the criminal would have simply taken your wallet and left?
Or beat you to death, stab you to death. What you are really saying is that its best to be left to the whim of your attacker instead of assuming responsibility for yourself. BAAAAAAAAAA Eat mor grass. Obama sheeple are pathetic.
td
February 3rd, 2013
8:17 pm
Uh Huh……….Kudos to Mike Wallace for facing down evil
February 3rd, 2013
8:04 pm
How about the administration enforcing the existing laws before they make new ones?