On Fox News, NRA’s Wayne LaPierre gets skewered
What happened when NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre and Fox News’ Chris Wallace debated gun control this morning?
Let’s just say that if the Super Bowl is this one-sided, millions of TV sets will be turned off by halftime.
Also, in another tragic case that casts doubt on the usefulness of guns as a self-defense measure, former Navy SEAL Chris Kyle was shot and killed yesterday evening at a gun range in Texas. Kyle came to national fame as a sniper who claimed more than 150 kills, supposedly making him the most prolific sniper in U.S. military history. Kyle wrote a best-selling book, “American Sniper,” about his experience and parlayed his fame into a regular spot on the reality show “Stars Earn Stripes.”
He leaves a wife and two children.
UPDATE: I’ve dealt with this several times in the comments below, but let me post it here as well. Yes, the circumstances of Kyle’s death suggest that he was given no real chance by his killer to defend himself. But the sad truth is, that’s almost always the case anyway. The good guy almost never gets the drop on the bad guy; the Keith Ratliff murder here in Georgia is another example of that reality.
In almost every case, the person who draws the weapon first has an overwhelming advantage, and most of the time the person who pulls first is the criminal. If you’re getting robbed at gunpoint on the street, for example, having a concealed weapon in your shoulder holster does you no good at all, and if it tempts you to try something stupid, it could end up getting you and others killed.
Let’s review the hard data, shall we? Each year, the FBI reports, some 200 justifiable homicides are committed with a firearm. That’s a tiny, tiny number, given the estimated 300 million firearms in circulation. That’s one justifiable homicide for each 1.5 million firearms. That’s the basis on which these fantasies are built. (And for the record, I recognize and support the constitutional right to possess firearms for home defense, etc.)
On the other hand, some 10,000 people are murdered each year with a firearm.
– Jay Bookman
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DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
February 3rd, 2013
2:58 pm
He should most definitely go on conservative media sites and routinely defend his positions…the only way for him to get an unbiased commentary directly from his mouth is in this manner
Have you been drinking? I mean when I look at that statement above ^^^ I’m wondering if you were sober when you wrote it…..
Stevie: Why are you so opposed to this? Politics will always prevail so he like them all only care about party re-election…heaven forbid he is unsuccessful defending his position.
Again, i reiterate, have you been drinking?
Stevie: He is an easy target remaining in his safe, warm and fuzzy nest.
OK let’s have a quick reality check here (if you’re up for it):
These “conservative media outlets” were the same outlets pushing the “birthers” movement to national prominence.
These ‘CMO’s” were the same outlets that pushed the “Obama is a Marxist” idiot filled tirades.
These “CMO’s” are pushing the “No Global warming” idiocy when we see weeks with a 70 degree Monday and a 18 degree Friday in the same week; but according to them that has NOTHING absolutely NOTHING to do with GW.
These “CMO’s” also are the same outlets who are pushing the Bengazhi bullcrap express. And before you start, YES its awful what happened to the Americans there but, deep down don’t they think its imperative to mention the BUDGET CUTS BROUGHT ON BY THE REPUBLICANS that made US embassies LESS SAFE as a contributing factor?
So, StevieWonder — In essence i’m going to drop some words of wisdom on ya — just because there are dumb people in the world who believe and listen to everything they wish to hear substantiated, doesn’t mean that OBAMA should pander to them.
Make sure you write that down — you may be seeing it from me again, and as you know i really hate to repeat myself.
To paraphrase something that SoCoBro said on the last blog — Why bother? The people who hate Obama, it doesn’t matter WHAT he does or WHAT he says. The hate will remain.
Another Wayne
February 3rd, 2013
3:01 pm
I was extremely disappointed with the Chris Wallace interview of Wayne LaPierre on Fox News today. Mr Wallace showed me his true colors; I have lost respect for him. We the People cannot catch a break from anyone in the Media. I will stop watching his shows and all Fox News if future interviews follow this inquisition format. Mr. Wallace is an elitist and typical of people in his tax bracket when it comes to my rights per the Bill of Rights. I have a right per the 2nd Amendment to keep and bear arms with no infringement. Wayne LaPierre has my support 100%; he is one of very few people looking out for me and my rights. I feel violated by Wallace and I am losing faith in Fox News to present unbiased news or conduct unbiased interviews. I have been disappointed with Fox News for quite some time now, but My Fox News stock just took a drastic dip after the Wayne LaPierre inquisition today. I will spend much less time watching Fox News.
Old Physics Teacher
February 3rd, 2013
3:02 pm
Doggone/GA,
Sorry, I know your discussion isn’t with me, but I couldn’t resist. So… a gun owner who spends $500 for a weapon, AND goes through a background check(not even get into the possibility he/she gets a concealed carry license which is an extremely intensive – if not invasive), and ACTUALLY buys a gun safe because of the tax break… will probably not use it????? And you say logic is easy? Inigo Montoya had a quote that applies here.
As I implied earlier, citizenship in a nation based on personal liberty has enormous risks. Sometimes bad people do bad things to good people. That can’t be prevented. You have to accept this. That is reality! All you can do is make the cost of the crime so high, the individual who committed it never has the chance to do it a second time. If the criminal commits suicide before YOU can execute him, that’s sad. I’d like to take the criminal and hang him in the middle of the town square AND require the national media to cover it in all its gore, but that’s not going to happen – mores the pity, but that’s just my opinion and no better than your’s. But, making ME PAY for this asocial sociopath’s criminal act is WRONG!
And by the way 90 % of the time I vote Democratic
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
3:04 pm
“and ACTUALLY buys a gun safe because of the tax break… will probably not use it????? ”
I think it’s quite likely. Because I would be willing to bet that gun owners who would use a gun safe already have one. Heck, if there was a generous enough tax credit for buying one…*I* would buy one. And I don’t even own a gun.
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
3:05 pm
Oh, and BTW: “And by the way 90 % of the time I vote Democratic”
Why should I care how you voted?
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
3:06 pm
I have a right per the 2nd Amendment to keep and bear arms with no infringement.
Supreme Court Justice Scalia says”What!?!?”
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
3:06 pm
I’d like to take the criminal and hang him in the middle of the town square
Not all crimes qualify for capital punishment.
Gun nut totin' a gun in a gun culture. Yep. That's me.
February 3rd, 2013
3:08 pm
The second amendment is not about what someone may or may not need. It is not about hunting, skeet shooting, defending your home, collecting, or any other such thing.
It is about your individual right to keep and bear arms. It is as simple as that.
If that is not pleasing to you, there are processes in place to attempt to modify the constitutional amendments. If those avenues are not suitable, then I suggest you are living in the wrong country.
TaxPayer
February 3rd, 2013
3:09 pm
But… but… but… If I’d been given a chance to aim my 50 caliber machine gun at the bad guy before he snuck up on me, I woulda blowed his buttocks all over the place hence proving that more bigger faster guns with bigger magazines is the non-violent answer.
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
3:09 pm
“It is about your individual right to keep and bear arms. It is as simple as that”
Yes, it is…but that does not mean that right cannot be regulated.
Dirty Dawg
February 3rd, 2013
3:09 pm
The reason Democrats/Liberals/Progressives, et. al., should never go on Faux Newts is that you will never be allowed to win an argument…you’ll either be shouted down, cut off, or both. After all the only purpose for you being there in the first place is for ‘them’ to beat the crap out of you for the ‘enjoyment’ of their audience. An audience whose minds you’ll never change anyway. So just don’t.
getalife
February 3rd, 2013
3:10 pm
Looks like they flock to gun threads and disappear.
After treating minorities like crap , now they are scared to death but they frighten easily.
Old fat lazy white people are a trip but they are the new minority.
Marietta
February 3rd, 2013
3:11 pm
It’s interesting to me how often media outlets color the argument using the term “powerful gun lobby” … it’s never about “a majority of American voters” or the “will of the people”, rather some inherently evil, phantom organization which is trying to carry out its sinister plans
Michael
February 3rd, 2013
3:11 pm
i was surprised how easy Chris made old Wayne look bad, and also suprised he took him to the woodshed. Good for him. The NRA use to be a respectful organazation, but it is now the most powerful lobbyist in DC. Wayne L just looks paranoid when he talks so not sure who would want to rally behind a guy like this.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
February 3rd, 2013
3:11 pm
Wow, so I see you are in the mood for a no-holds barred debate? Your response to what would seem to be a point to further your position is turned into pettiness.
I don’t understand what you’re getting at Stevie (no big surprise there).
YOu asked a question, and I, nicely I might add, GOGGLED the information for you. and NOW you’re upset with me?
Are you my bitter ex boyfriend?
Just wondering………………….. BTW I’ve moved AND I still have those pit bulls and a glock. Just thought I’d mention that…..
Jay
February 3rd, 2013
3:11 pm
There’s no need to modify the amendment, gun nut. A very conservative court has made it quite clear that the amendment does not guarantee the right to all types of weapons, just some.
Now, if you want to try to change that, the Constitution does set out a process for amending itself, just as you point out.
bob
February 3rd, 2013
3:12 pm
Well Jay, I guess your definition of “skewered” and mine come from a different dictionary, yours from the liberal one and mine from the one most others look at, I watched the interview and although Wallace did come off as semi attacking Wayne, Wayne held his on, Wallace is usually pretty fair so I will let him slide on that one.
Gun nut totin' a gun in a gun culture. Yep. That's me.
February 3rd, 2013
3:15 pm
Instead of trading stats that may or may not be pulled out of your ass, let’s talk about real plausible solutions to the root issues. The root issues is not gun violence, it is violence.
What is going on in our culture that encourages violence?
Talking strictly shootings…
There is the Sandy Hook scenario, where it seems that white guys go nuts and kill several people. What kind of steps can be taken to identify these “at risk” personalities, and head off these events?
Then there are the shootings that occur in areas like an inner city, usually by black men, where one or two are shot and/or killed. What kind of steps can be taken to identify these “at risk” personalities, and head off these events?
There are of course other types of shootings, and many acts of violence that do not involve guns. Those two examples seem to be the most prevalent in the media, though.
Towncrier
February 3rd, 2013
3:15 pm
“Are they WELL REGULATED as prescribed by the Second Amendment?”
Please…take some grammar courses before attempting to interpret the Constitution. The phrase “well regulated” modifies the noun that follows just after it: militia. Once you have taken these courses, the thing you will have to do is show – grammatically, stylistically, historically and logically – how the prefatory clause limits the meaning of the main or operative clause in the manner liberals like Justice Stevens argue.
Here is a similarly construction article found in the Northwest Ordinance:
“Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.”
Following Steven’s hermeneutical rationale, this would mean that “the means of education should forever be encouraged” only so long as it promotes “religion, morality and knowledge”. A much more plausible interpretation is that “the means of education should forever be encouraged” since education – by acquainting the people with such things “religion, morality and knowledge” – is necessary to “good government and the happiness of mankind.”
getalife
February 3rd, 2013
3:21 pm
“I still have those pit bulls and a glock.”
Dudley is a lucky man.
Cyril
February 3rd, 2013
3:21 pm
Not sure if it has been said already, but the most interesting part of this to me is the change in message from Wallace. There is no way, no how that he went after the NRA guy without direction first from his bosses at Fox and their bosses at the RNC. So, much like immigration last week, I suspect we will be hearing similar sentiments from Republicans soon.
Gun nut totin' a gun in a gun culture. Yep. That's me.
February 3rd, 2013
3:21 pm
Then the followup question for me is “What is the root issue in our world that causes the violence, whether it is gun violence or not?”
The answer is that we have forgotten or ignored the greatest commandment to “Love the Lord you God with all your heart, mind and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself.”
TaxPayer
February 3rd, 2013
3:22 pm
I’m reminded of Christmas music, here in North Georgia with snow outside on the ground and LaPierre getting skewered on FOX.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhzxQCTCI3E
Someone rotate Wayne. I think he’s done on that side.
Jackie
February 3rd, 2013
3:22 pm
The 2nd Amendment to the Constitution does have restrictions.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/second_amendment
Gun nut totin' a gun in a gun culture. Yep. That's me.
February 3rd, 2013
3:25 pm
Doggone/GA…Most of the amendments have restrictions. The right to vote is restricted by age, free speech by content and context, and so on…
Gun nut totin' a gun in a gun culture. Yep. That's me.
February 3rd, 2013
3:27 pm
I suspect the swell in the ranks of the NRA is not so much a sign of support for the NRA as a sign of opposition for Obama’s gun control ideas.
1811, etc.
February 3rd, 2013
3:27 pm
“GUN CONTROL IS LIKE TRYING TO REDUCE DRUNK DRIVING
BY MAKING IT TOUGHER FOR SOBER PEOPLE TO OWN CARS”
Doc Holliday
February 3rd, 2013
3:27 pm
Lets see in 1787 the constitution was signed. Muskets were the weapon of choice to defend not only our homes but to create this country. I wonder if someone back then had decided to kill someone with a musket or others. Would the governement have taken their weapons away? This country would still be under the United Kingdoms control. Remember its the person that is behind the weapon that pulls the trigger or uses a bat or knife to kill. Assault weapons and handguns are the weapons of choice today not only to defend their home but this country. Statistics have shown that gun control has not solved the problem. Just look at Chicago and the number of murders with their very strict gun laws. The first step should be background checks and mental health professionals reporting individuals to a database. Our govenment should enforce the current gun laws. Taking our weapons away from our right to keep and bear arms to defend ourselves from tyranny is not the solution.
I do not watch Fox news much do to Chris Wallace and Bill O’Reilly and others. Its to much of a moderate stance for me. It is a shame that Chris Wallace did not show the same professionalism that he showed to Captain Kelly to the NRA. I guess Fox just has to be like MSNBC. I now understand why Sarah Palin left as well. I also remember Glenn Beck left and is doing very well without them. I wonder who is next. When they add Carl Rowe to their staff it is a sign they are going to the dogs.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
February 3rd, 2013
3:28 pm
Please…take some grammar courses before attempting to interpret the Constitution. The phrase “well regulated” modifies the noun that follows just after it: militia
OMG here we go again! Another non-understanding-non-lawyer type-trying to explain the constitution-by repeating the mumbo jumbo they heard on talk radio-by a bunch of high school drop outs nee drug addicted sociopaths-who can’t even spell yet know everything – “constitutional law expert”!
When does it end, sweet Jesus…..when does it end!?!?
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
3:28 pm
“I suspect the swell in the ranks of the NRA is not so much a sign of support for the NRA as a sign of opposition for Obama’s gun control ideas”
There’s a difference?
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
3:30 pm
“Doggone/GA…Most of the amendments have restrictions”
and so should the 2nd. The question is: WHAT restrictions? No restrictions is a recipe for anarchy, too strict is a recipe for infringement.
Decatur Guy
February 3rd, 2013
3:30 pm
The Dems will not pass any new gun laws because most of them are gun owners. Just ask Harry Reid.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
February 3rd, 2013
3:31 pm
getalife @3:21 – I keep telling him that!
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
3:32 pm
“GUN CONTROL IS LIKE TRYING TO REDUCE DRUNK DRIVING
BY MAKING IT TOUGHER FOR SOBER PEOPLE TO OWN CARS”
Nope, try again. Gun control is a way to protect law abiding citizens…both gun owners and non-gun owners…from idiots who own guns.
Gun nut totin' a gun in a gun culture. Yep. That's me.
February 3rd, 2013
3:33 pm
Not sure if this link was posted or not, but made for some interesting reading. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/07/04/881431/-Why-liberals-should-love-the-Second-Amendment
It’s like a companies defense of it’s branding. Once you don’t defend it it dilutes your right to defend it in the next case.
We must vigorously defend our constitution, even if we do not agree with it. Then take the proper steps to change what we disagree with.
Obama has proven he is not concerned with proper steps. He showed that with selling the snake oil called ObamaCare, and that is part of the paranoia of some folks.
1811, etc.
February 3rd, 2013
3:34 pm
Excerpts from “D.C. v. Heller”:
Page 6
a. RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE
“Nowhere else in the Constitution does a “right” attributed to “the people” refer to anything other than an individual right.”
Page 8
b. KEEP AND BEAR ARMS
“Just as the First Amendment protects modern forms of communications ……………. and the Fourth Amendment applies to modern forms of search ……………. the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existance at the time of the founding.”
Page 19
c. MEANING OF THE OPERATIVE CLAUSE
“Putting all of these textual elements together, we find that they guarantee the individual right to posses and carry weapons in case of confrontation. This meaning is strongly confirmed by the historical background of the Second Amendment. We look to this because it has always been widely understood that the Second Amendment, like the First and Fourth Amendments, codified a pre-existing right. The very text of the Second Amendment implicitly recognizes the pre-existance of the right and declares only that it shall not be infringed. As we said in United States vs. Cruikshank this is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existance. The Second Amendment declares that it shall not be infringed …….. ”
Page 24
b. SECURITY OF A FREE STATE
“The phrase “security of a free state” meant “security of a free polity” not security of each of the several states.”
“There are many reasons why the militia was thought to be “necessary for the security of a free state” ……….. Third, when the able bodied men of a nation are trained in arms and organized, they are better able to resist tyranny.”
Page 25
3. RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN PREFATORY CLAUSE AND OPERATIVE CLAUSE
“That history showed that the way tyrants had eliminated a militia consisting of all the able bodied men was not by banning the militia but simply taking away the people’s arms, enabling a select militia or standing army to suppress political opponents.”
Page 26
“It was understood across the political spectrum that the right helped to secure the ideal of a citizen militia, which might be necessary to oppose an oppressive military force if the constitutional order broke down.”
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/07-290.pdf
Towncrier
February 3rd, 2013
3:34 pm
“OMG here we go again! Another non-understanding-non-lawyer type-trying to explain the constitution-by repeating the mumbo jumbo they heard on talk radio-by a bunch of high school drop outs nee drug addicted sociopaths-who can’t even spell yet know everything – “constitutional law expert”!”
ROFL!!! Talk much, DDR? Unintended self-defeating irony is truly comic. Thanks for the laughs, girlfriend.
MM
February 3rd, 2013
3:35 pm
Indigo needs to repeat freshman English (it’s?) before writing in.
oldguy
February 3rd, 2013
3:35 pm
I don’t know why I bother but:
Lets look at Jay’s survey shall we:
surveyed – 2703
non-gun owners – 1756
gun owners – 947
NRA members – 169
So, 169 NRA members are an adequate survey of a membership of over 3.4 million?
yeah right!
And just where were these members? You can bet they were not in Georgia or even the South. perhaps in New England, where the survey was commissioned?
74%? that would be about 125 so that represents the will of 3.4 million? sure it does.
Background checks? we already do that so what does the survey show? the stupidity of the people being surveyed? Is the data incomplete? Sure it is; now show me a system that is 100% accurate.
Mental health records? are you willing to have your Dr submit your and your families records to the government for inclusion in the database? how else will it be accurate? Ever taken an antidepressant? you might be dangerous in some pencil pusher’s opinion.
Bottom line: I WILL NOT register my firearms with the government. there are millions like me. How are they going to tax and confiscate them when they have no idea who has what?
hamhock
February 3rd, 2013
3:35 pm
Back to FOX ’s favorite saying, “anybody but Hillary”.
Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
3:37 pm
“Deep down, the liberal elites have nothing but contempt for tools like me.- Indigo
Had to do a typo correction for Indigo.
1811, etc.
February 3rd, 2013
3:38 pm
“The militia consisted of all males capable of acting together for the common defense. The Antifederalists feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in order to disable citizen militias, thereby enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. The Antifederalists therefore sought to preserve the citizens’ militia by denying Congress the power to abridge the right of individuals to keep and bear arms.”
http://www.lawnix.com/cases/dc-heller.html (Synopsis)
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/07-290.pdf (Full Opinion)
Gun nut totin' a gun in a gun culture. Yep. That's me.
February 3rd, 2013
3:38 pm
Doggone, the second does have restrictions. You cannot buy a handgun or ammo for one until a certain age. You cannot own an assault weapon without a federal permit. without a permit there are few ways to transport or carry your weapon, and the permit only allows a few more. You cannot fire your gun unless on private property outside the city limits, at least where I am, and that is restricted by acreage. There are more restrictions, and I’m sure you can look them up.
Bulldawg
February 3rd, 2013
3:38 pm
Hey hamhock, How did that work last time?
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
February 3rd, 2013
3:39 pm
TC — your posts and the regular irony of most of them, is truly whats “laugh worthy”.
I should be thanking YOU for all the hours of enjoyment that you’ve given me over the years – your skewered vision of the world is not only ……umm…………different, it’s entertaining too!
Thank YOU TC for being you!
Towncrier
February 3rd, 2013
3:39 pm
“Gun control is a way to protect law abiding citizens…both gun owners and non-gun owners…from idiots who own guns.”
So…all criminals are idiots, then? Surely you realize that the vast majority of gun-related homicides are committed by youths illegally possessing handguns. Please tell us all how the currently proposed legislation will prevent that.
Gun nut totin' a gun in a gun culture. Yep. That's me.
February 3rd, 2013
3:40 pm
“Gun control is a way to protect law abiding citizens…both gun owners and non-gun owners…from idiots who own guns.”
Let me reword that…”Gun control is a way to control law abiding citizens…both gun owners and non-gun owners…from idiots who govern them.”
Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
3:40 pm
” a bunch of high school drop outs nee drug addicted sociopaths”
Always funny when the Dims criticize their own voting base.
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
3:41 pm
“Not sure if this link was posted or not, but made for some interesting reading”
Well, I, for one, don’t need to read it…since I have no problems with the 2nd amendment
1811, etc.
February 3rd, 2013
3:41 pm
Georgia Sheriff’s Association Recent Statement on Gun Control:
“The sheriffs took an oath to support the Constitution and will stand by the 2nd Amendment. The sheriffs will aggressively oppose federal or state legislation which infringes upon law abiding citizens’ right to bear arms.
The sheriffs further agree to support any legislation that would effectively penalize criminals who use firearms in the commission of crimes.”
http://www.examiner.com/article/georgia-sheriff-s-association-releases-statement-opposing-gun-control
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
3:41 pm
How are they going to tax and confiscate them when they have no idea who has what?
Last time I checked, guns require ammo. They can track your guns through the ammo you buy.
Even if you make your own, you still need to buy the components. Those purchases can also be tracked.
Phasers R Next
February 3rd, 2013
3:42 pm
Does anyone out there really think if the founding fathers were brought to 2013 and saw the kind of weapons being sold in legitimate gun shops they’d still think the Second Amendment was perfect?
This debate is ridiculous. Adding more firepower to this society is absurd.
William Smith
February 3rd, 2013
3:43 pm
According to the NRA the only way to prevent gun violence is more guns. I think it’s a good point. The only way to prevent more drunk driving accidents is cheaper beer and booze. Also, to stop an intruder I need a 100 round clip. How many people could I shot with a 100 round clip. Before I stopped I could even shot some of my neighbors. The logic makes no sense. The big issue is a fear that the government is coming to get your guns. My basic belief is that if a President ever has the power and desire to come for your guns they will get it with no shots fired. Could you imagine a gun ship above your house. Would you risk your family for your gun very few would. Time to wake up to reality and common sense..
Towncrier
February 3rd, 2013
3:43 pm
“I should be thanking YOU for all the hours of enjoyment that you’ve given me over the years – your skewered vision of the world is not only ……umm…………different, it’s entertaining too!”
ROFL! In point of fact, I haven’t been posting here “years”, DDR. But don’t let that (erroneous “facts” and fallacious reasoning) stop you, sweetheart – Debbie, do blather on!
indigo
February 3rd, 2013
3:43 pm
MM – 3:35
I see you’ve finally found something you can do here, check spelling and grammar.
Your serious lack of intellect made me worry that posting here would give you an inferiority complex.
It is just so precious to see you actually succeed in something, even if it is small.
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 3rd, 2013
3:44 pm
Wallace is only a state-sponsored controlled opposition media air-head.
Ditto LaPierre.(his mental health background checks proponent prove this.).
.
But anyhoo….keep in mind.
Bookman and his progressive crew are NOT anti-gun.
They love guns being in the hands of the State.
.
Why do statists like Bookman wish to give a small group of people(who wear the proper costumes) the right to bear weapons,,kidnapp, harrass, imprison ,kill and even steal from people in order to protect the people from weapons, kidnapping, harassing, killing, and stealing.?
.
weird.
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
3:44 pm
“Doggone, the second does have restrictions”
And they need to be strengthened. And, mind you, *I* am the one that spent hours and days here DEFENDING the 2nd amendment and trying to bring some reason to the idiots who think the solution is to ban guns. But we do need stronger laws to control guns AND to protect both gun owners and non-gun owners. The question is going to come down to: what are REASONABLE strengthenings of the laws and what are not.
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
3:44 pm
Kamchak
You’re gonna have posters looking over their shoulders for blacked out SUVs and helicopters.
indigo
February 3rd, 2013
3:45 pm
Doom – 3:37
Actually, I don’t have much use for any of the elites, poopie.
1811, etc.
February 3rd, 2013
3:45 pm
“More people last year were actually strangled or asphyxiated or killed with a blunt instrument than shot with a rile, according to the DCJS stats.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2012/12/assault-weapons-behind-few-new-york-murders
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
February 3rd, 2013
3:45 pm
How are they going to tax and confiscate them when they have no idea who has what?
By following your entries on certain websites and certain blogs. Duh!
The use of real identities across the Web is going mainstream at a rapid clip. A Wall Street Journal examination of nearly 1,000 top websites found that 75% now include code from social networks, such as Facebook’s “Like” or Twitter’s “Tweet” buttons. Such code can match people’s identities with their Web-browsing activities on an unprecedented scale and can even track a user’s arrival on a page if the button is never clicked.
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
3:45 pm
“So…all criminals are idiots, then?”
I’ve told you before…don’t put YOUR WORDS in MY MOUTH and expect me to defend them. It doesn’t work.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
3:46 pm
You’re gonna have posters looking over their shoulders for blacked out SUVs and helicopters.
Just a small part of my nefarious plan.
1811, etc.
February 3rd, 2013
3:47 pm
“So the fact remains that in Chicago at least, “assault weapons” aren’t used to kill people.”
http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/2012/12/what-assault-weapons.html
Johnjon
February 3rd, 2013
3:47 pm
I didn’t know a re-make of “Dumb and Dumber” was even being considered.
Gun nut totin' a gun in a gun culture. Yep. That's me.
February 3rd, 2013
3:47 pm
Oh. You thought you could come to a Bookman blog and get a rational real world conversation?
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
3:47 pm
“they’d still think the Second Amendment was perfect?”
What makes you think they considered it “perfect” to begin with? They were quite aware that protecting a right does NOT mean we don’t need LAWS to define that protection.
MiltonMan
February 3rd, 2013
3:48 pm
In 2010, almost 11,000 Americans were killed by drunk drivers but does Jay favor banning alcohol???
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
3:49 pm
“Oh. You thought you could come to a Bookman blog and get a rational real world conversation”
You come here, you get back what you put in.
1811, etc.
February 3rd, 2013
3:49 pm
Keep in mind “libs.” that the 4th, 5th and 6th Amendments to the Constitution are used to release violent criminals back into society every day. Thousands and thousands have been murdered, raped, etc. over the years as a result. However, those Amendments are so “sacred” that is a price our society is willing to pay.
DannyX
February 3rd, 2013
3:49 pm
“Oh. You thought you could come to a Bookman blog and get a rational real world conversation?”
Says “Gun nut totin’ a gun in a gun culture. Yep. That’s me.”
1811, etc.
February 3rd, 2013
3:49 pm
P.S.
The 2nd Amendment is no less “sacred”.
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
3:50 pm
“but does Jay favor banning alcohol???”
Does Jay favor banning guns?
1811, etc.
February 3rd, 2013
3:50 pm
Emotion vs. Reason
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
3:50 pm
In 2010, almost 11,000 Americans were killed by drunk drivers but does Jay favor banning alcohol???
Already addressed numerous times on other threads.
Maybe you can borrow the notes from one of your classmates that actually did their homework….
detritusUSA
February 3rd, 2013
3:51 pm
When the criminal accosts me with a firearm I’d rather take my chances with my own weapon in self defense. However being retired from the U S Army I’m trained in use of a weapon, as well as knowing when to use it, and when not to use it. Without training an individual is putting himself and any bystanders in jeopardy by just reacting to a dangerous situation. Georgia should adopt mandatory training for first time concealed carry permit holders with an exception for military veterans. You veterans out there know that we train like we fight, and we fight like we train.
Jackie
February 3rd, 2013
3:51 pm
If all these sheriffs and their deputies publicly declare to support the right of gun owners to keep and bear arms, in violation of their oath to the state and to the Constitution of the United States, how does one feel assured that they well faithfully execute the laws the have been voted on by our elected representatives and adjudicated by the Supreme Court to be legal? Should we be concerned that laws will be upheld and we are safe from the tyranny brought on by law enforcement community being in direct conflict with the law?
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
February 3rd, 2013
3:51 pm
ROFL! In point of fact, I haven’t been posting here “years”, DDR. But don’t let that (erroneous “facts” and fallacious reasoning) stop you, sweetheart – Debbie, do blather on!
As TC — maybe. As those many other “aliases” that you love to cloak yourself with, undoubtedly.
badmoon58
February 3rd, 2013
3:52 pm
I’m not sure about the validity of these polls that posters are quoting. I don’t know anyone in my personal or professional life that wants to eliminate the ability to purchase weapons or clips currently available. I’m not sure how background checks will stop someone from eventually buying a weapon, just thinking realistically.
OedipusTax
February 3rd, 2013
3:52 pm
The mass murderers all turn out to be liberals. If murderers had to declare their political affiliation, 4 out of 5 voted for, or would have voted for, Obama and are Democrats and liberal. The ugly hate of Twitter is mainly spouted by liberals. Liberals want big government because they generally hate people, especially those happier than they are.
getalife
February 3rd, 2013
3:53 pm
scout,
Nobody is jumping down your rabbit holes anymore.
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
3:53 pm
“The mass murderers all turn out to be liberals.”
Got proof?
luangtom
February 3rd, 2013
3:54 pm
Bookman, why do you even bother putting these articles out? You will never change your stance and those in opposition to gun-control will never change their stance. You have the venue to put your opinions and slants out as fact and that is all you have. Each side can produce numbers to refute the other side. It has been going on for decades and will not change.
Why do you not delve into why people mistrust the government in general and this administration in particular? Give us your opinions on that. Why do people that pay the bills want the government to keep their hands out of their pockets and quit giving to the give-me crowd? Enter those fields of discussion. The government cannot legislate common-sense and that is what it takes when handling and possessing firearms, not prohibition of them.
Why do you not delve into the area of racial genocide that we are seeing on the very streets of Atlanta? Do you honestly think that a back-ground check is going to stop these youths from shooting each other and from them attaining firearms? Nope, they are going to steal the firearms from those people that jump through the already in-place laws to get those firearms and then go out and shoot up their perceived enemies as well as innocent bystanders to get their point of supremacy across. Just look at the shootings this past week in the gun-free zones in Atlanta. Did those laws help?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
3:55 pm
The ugly hate of Twitter is mainly spouted by liberals.
Twitchy Michelle Malkin says, “What?”
1811, etc.
February 3rd, 2013
3:56 pm
“Here’s the Chart That Supporters of a Federal Assault Weapons Ban Won’t Want to See”
“While anti-gun advocates argue that banning semi-automatic rifles, like the popular AR-15, will help decrease shooting deaths in the U.S., FBI data suggests that the average American is more likely to be killed by “hands, fists” or “feet” than a rifle.
As you can see in the chart ……. , the vast majority of murders in the U.S. are indeed committed with handguns, not rifles. More people were killed with shotguns (373), knifes/blades (1,704) and “other weapon[s]” (1,772) more often than they were with rifles in 2010, which were reportedly used in 358 murders that year.
Whether it’s a knife, gun or a fist, will a “ban” of any kind sway a deranged individual’s decision to take human lives?”
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/12/20/heres-the-chart-that-supporters-of-a-federal-assault-weapons-ban-wont-want-to-see/
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
February 3rd, 2013
3:57 pm
Maybe you can borrow the notes from one of your classmates that actually did their homework….
getalife
February 3rd, 2013
3:57 pm
opey just wrote the dumbest comment on this thread.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
3:57 pm
Why do you not delve into why people mistrust the government in general and this administration in particular?
Why do you not delve into the area of racial genocide that we are seeing on the very streets of Atlanta?
Why do you not go to blogspot.com?
Why do you not create your own blog?
Towncrier
February 3rd, 2013
3:57 pm
“I’ve told you before…don’t put YOUR WORDS in MY MOUTH and expect me to defend them. It doesn’t work.”
Neither does deflection or ignoring a question put to you. As I said, surely you realize that the vast majority of gun-related homicides are committed by youths illegally possessing handguns. Please tell us all how the currently proposed legislation will prevent that.
oldguy
February 3rd, 2013
3:57 pm
Kammie kammie;
I bought enough components at the last 2 gun shows to reload 10s of thousands of rounds , primers, powder, (i cast my own bullets, and of course, i save all my brass). My gun club has already set up an exchange to allow fellow members to borrow die sets if they find they need one they don’t have. Will ammo go bad? well….
I have a 1905 Argentine Mauser that uses 7 MM ammo that is hard to get. The ammo I am now using was loaded in 1936 for the Spanish Civil War, it still fires flawlessly!
Finally, I can cut back on target shooting if need be.
1811, etc.
February 3rd, 2013
3:57 pm
Jackie:
“,in violation of their oath to the state and to the Constitution of the United States”
That’s where you have it exactly backwards. They “are” upholding their oath !
I took the oath four times in my life ………. and it wasn’t to the Congress, the President or the Supreme Court ………. it was to the CONSTITUTION !
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 3rd, 2013
3:59 pm
Clearly…..the answer is for the FedBugs at the DHS to purchase MORE guns in order to rid society of the gun scourge.
.
lol
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
February 3rd, 2013
3:59 pm
“The mass murderers all turn out to be liberals.”
Tim McVeigh was a liberal? The stuff you read on a blog!
1811, etc.
February 3rd, 2013
3:59 pm
To my conservative friends:
Notice how the libs. on here keep ignoring statistics, etc.
Emotion over reason !!!
DannyX
February 3rd, 2013
4:01 pm
“The ugly hate of Twitter is mainly spouted by liberals.”
Bqhatevwr
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
4:01 pm
Finally, I can cut back on target shooting if need be.
No matter how much you conserve, your resources are finite and will eventually need to be replaced.
getalife
February 3rd, 2013
4:01 pm
“1905 Argentine Mauser that uses 7 MM ammo that is hard to get. The ammo I am now using was loaded in 1936 for the Spanish Civil War, it still fires flawlessly!”
I had a 7mm American Mexican war rifle.
Big kick and big flame out the barrel.
Gun nut totin' a gun in a gun culture. Yep. That's me.
February 3rd, 2013
4:02 pm
DannyX, ever hear of satire? The name is playing of the liberals gun control fanatics inability to simply call me a person. They have a need to identify me with a label, I’m just making it easy.
Krystal'sBalls
February 3rd, 2013
4:03 pm
“Does anyone out there really think if the founding fathers were brought to 2013 and saw the kind of weapons being sold in legitimate gun shops they’d still think the Second Amendment was perfect?”
How about this retort?….
Does anyone out there really think if the founding fathers were brought to 2013 and saw the kind of CRIMES being committed against American citizens, property and businesses they’d rethink the Second Amendment altogether and just go ahead and write AR-15s in? Think about that!
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
4:03 pm
If murderers had to declare their political affiliation, 4 out of 5 voted for, or would have voted for, Obama and are Democrats and liberal.
If you’re going to make sh*t up, then there’s no need to be half assed about it.