On Fox News, NRA’s Wayne LaPierre gets skewered
What happened when NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre and Fox News’ Chris Wallace debated gun control this morning?
Let’s just say that if the Super Bowl is this one-sided, millions of TV sets will be turned off by halftime.
Also, in another tragic case that casts doubt on the usefulness of guns as a self-defense measure, former Navy SEAL Chris Kyle was shot and killed yesterday evening at a gun range in Texas. Kyle came to national fame as a sniper who claimed more than 150 kills, supposedly making him the most prolific sniper in U.S. military history. Kyle wrote a best-selling book, “American Sniper,” about his experience and parlayed his fame into a regular spot on the reality show “Stars Earn Stripes.”
He leaves a wife and two children.
UPDATE: I’ve dealt with this several times in the comments below, but let me post it here as well. Yes, the circumstances of Kyle’s death suggest that he was given no real chance by his killer to defend himself. But the sad truth is, that’s almost always the case anyway. The good guy almost never gets the drop on the bad guy; the Keith Ratliff murder here in Georgia is another example of that reality.
In almost every case, the person who draws the weapon first has an overwhelming advantage, and most of the time the person who pulls first is the criminal. If you’re getting robbed at gunpoint on the street, for example, having a concealed weapon in your shoulder holster does you no good at all, and if it tempts you to try something stupid, it could end up getting you and others killed.
Let’s review the hard data, shall we? Each year, the FBI reports, some 200 justifiable homicides are committed with a firearm. That’s a tiny, tiny number, given the estimated 300 million firearms in circulation. That’s one justifiable homicide for each 1.5 million firearms. That’s the basis on which these fantasies are built. (And for the record, I recognize and support the constitutional right to possess firearms for home defense, etc.)
On the other hand, some 10,000 people are murdered each year with a firearm.
– Jay Bookman
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Old Physics Teacher
February 3rd, 2013
1:26 pm
Jay, I know this is a great topic for a blog, but I simply don’t understand your premise: Are you saying:A) you would like (even though you respect the 2nd amendment) personal weapons to be illegal? or B) person weapons are unnecessary? or C)????
I just don’t understand. The man was shot in the back BY A CRIMINAL. The only way Mr. Kyle would still be alive was if he was covered in armored Kevlar. Whether or not he had a weapon was irrelevant. What is relevant is how (and why) the assailant acquired the weapon HE USED.
I hate to bring this up, but everybody dies. The law cannot change that. All the law can do is prevent the criminal from doing it a second time. Why are you not for extreme measures for commission of a crime with a firearm? We have numerous laws in place for criminals. Why are we incarcerating drug users, prostitutes, etc, and filling up our jails when ARMED drug pushers (and their ‘enforcers’, pimps, etc get reduced sentences? Are you for mandatory long sentences for commission of ANY crime carrying a weapon? If not, why not? If yes, why don’t you do a blog article on this?
NONE of the proposals put forward by MY Democrats in the legislatures would have any effect on a criminal. All we want to do is play politics and not fix the problem.
indigo
February 3rd, 2013
1:26 pm
Many of you here have been convinced by Rush, The NRA, Republican politicians and your pastors, that the Govt. is going to completely take over unless you have guns in your houses.
You are being used by Business and Republicans for one purpose only, money.
Business wants profits and Republican politicians want cash for elections and re-elections.
Do you want to spend the rest of your days as tools?
barking frog
February 3rd, 2013
1:28 pm
Gun toters, the American public is tired of their children
being slaughtered and change is in the air. Reason
should guide your steps.
Towncrier
February 3rd, 2013
1:28 pm
“In a twisted bit of irony, Congress passed the Fireams Acts of the 30’s, which placed restrictions on the private ownership of machine guns and sawed-off shotguns, in response to the criminal act of a few (gangland killings as a result of Prohibition). Some of today’s politicians are wanting to further infringe on our Second Amendment rights due to the criminal actions of a few.”
And yet, it appears that still around 1% of all shootings in American cities involve fully automatic guns – none of which, by definition, are legally possessed and are therefore brandished by criminals.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
1:32 pm
fully automatic guns – none of which, by definition, are legally possessed…
Fully automatic guns can be “legally possessed.”
All it requires is a special license.
Gary
February 3rd, 2013
1:32 pm
Well, we’ll see. I’m hoping Reid brings the Feinstein Bill up in the Senate. There are 20 Dems up for reelection in 2014 and several of them came from red states with a lot of gun owners. Obama will pressure them to vote for it and I hope they cave and do it. Because there are only 13 Republicans up for reelection in the Senate. So I hope it passes the Senate. The House will not pass it. Not even close. If that happens the GOP has a good chance of sweeping 8 Dems out of the Senate. They either capture the Senate or bring it within 1 or 2.
“And Clinton said that passing the 1994 federal assault weapons ban “devastated” more than a dozen Democratic lawmakers in the 1994 midterms — and cost then-Speaker of the House Tom Foley (D-Wash.) his job and his seat in Congress.
“I’ve had many sleepless nights in the many years since,” Clinton said. One reason? “I never had any sessions with the House members who were vulnerable,” he explained — saying that he had assumed they already knew how to explain their vote for the ban to their constituents.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/bill-clinton-to-democrats-dont-trivialize-gun-culture-86443_Page2.html#ixzz2JrWLaTMB
Towncrier
February 3rd, 2013
1:33 pm
ROFL:
http://twitchy.com/2013/02/02/hilarity-ensues-as-twitter-users-caption-and-photoshop-obamas-shooting-photo/
Dr. Socrates
February 3rd, 2013
1:34 pm
Gun purchasing laws are simply not enforced. I carry a concealed weapons permit that I ahd to wait three months for, give fingerprints and have a criminal background check. EVERYONE who purchases a gun should have to do the same. Owning a gun is no different from owning a car. People who don’t drive usually don’t own cars. People who own guns similarly need to know how to use one or, at the least, be screened for criminal and psychotic behavior. The fact is that almost all crimes committed with guns are with guns acquired illegally or through second hand sales from people who never should have been able to obtain one with the proper checks. Period. The NRA is fighting a losing battel. It is possible to defend the Constitutional right to bear arms AND have the people who bear them screened for craziness.
Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
1:35 pm
“Many of you here have been convinced by Rush, The NRA, Republican politicians and your pastors….”
Libs do love they gobbledeegook they do. Indigo must be another of them super duper lib mind readers to know who was and wasn’t convinced by Rush, the NRA, etc.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
1:36 pm
ROFLMAO
Michelle Malkin.
Jack ®
February 3rd, 2013
1:37 pm
I’ve bought guns from legal dealers and always had to wait until my background was checked before I could actually get the gun. So, it’s not the legal gun owners that cause problems, it’s the culture that liberals have championed.
willydoit?
February 3rd, 2013
1:37 pm
“Our President’s goal is to save one life so he set this bar really low this time but he knows the massacres will not stop and the goal will be stepped up next time.”
If we can save just one life with the war on drugs, then it is worth it.
Riiiiiigggghttt!
The war on drugs is a government jobs pit and doesn’t work.
The war on guns will be the same thing.
Guns will always be part of our culture, semi or auto….ALWAYS.
Americans love our guns almost as much as we love our money.
getalife
February 3rd, 2013
1:38 pm
I love the way our President punks the cons over and over and over.
All he had to say this time was he shoots skeet at Camp David and the cons scream you lie?
Just another day of our President crushing the cons.
Love it.
Aquagirl
February 3rd, 2013
1:39 pm
Either way when someone takes 5 magazines of 7 rounds into a school and loads them into a pistol your assault gun ban will prevent nothing, get it now ?
“My” assault gun ban? Actually I’m not for most assault gun bans since there’s no real definition, until you start writing the law. Unlike terms such as semi-auto or revolver, it’s not really based on the mechanics of the weapons involved.
On the other hand I’m not opposed to a ban on assault weapons, they’re kind of meaningless unless you’re a gun nut who is convinced the gub’mint is out to take your guns and and rape yer wimmenfolk. The idea you’re oppressed because you can’t buy a particular make of gun or a gun with cosmetic modifications is unwarranted. So who cares?
For me, a gun is a tool, it doesn’t define me and it’s not symbolic of anything, like the testicles of every forefather back to 1776. That’s why I don’t start shrieking and crying over gun legislation.
vfp42
February 3rd, 2013
1:42 pm
Iraqis all had ak’s. How did that work out for them against the tyrranical us govt?
jbill
February 3rd, 2013
1:42 pm
Indigo is a idiot..needs no reply…@Thulsa
Towncrier
February 3rd, 2013
1:42 pm
Fully automatic guns can be “legally possessed.” All it requires is a special license.
True. But none manufactured after 1986. So, aside from not having the most modern weaponry available, and because of supply and demand, the cost can be astronomical (thousands and thousands of dollars).
Gary
February 3rd, 2013
1:46 pm
Both the 1934 National Firearms Act and the 1968 Gun control legislation were supported by the NRA. However in the 70s there was a revisionist movement to try to say that the 2nd amendment was a collective right and not an individual right. The goal was to take all the guns. That is what pushed the NRA into political activism and lobbying. Lapierre was central to that and because of him we still have our rights. Unfortunately, he’s not a good public speaker or debater in a spontaneous format. David Keene is much better at advocating for our rights and explaining it in terms that allow people to understand. There is much misunderstanding. Besides a lot of people believing there are hundreds of machine guns slaughtering thousands of people out there, there are less than 400 murders a year across the entire US from rifles of any type. There are about 10,0000 murders from handguns. And most of those are committed using three rounds or less, not 20 or 30.
Also, if you go to a gunshow, the tables are manned by vendors and people with a Federal Firearms License. All of these tables use background checks. It is false that 40% of guns sold at a gun show are done without a check. At most….MAYBE 10% are. Those are sales between two private citizens. If you buy from a vendor or FFL, you must get a background check.
You cannot buy a gun over the internet and have it sent to your house. It must be shipped to an FFL where they will do a background check and complete the transaction.
In every state in this country there are more mentally ill in prisons for crimes than there are mentally ill in institutions. The problem with that is once their sentence is up they are released and they are free to as they wish with no psych approval. Many kill or commit more crimes. The entire mental health system is a shambles. The tools are there, but the system to identify and commit is totally busted.
Most mentally ill people that are denied a gun buy are denied by gun shop owners who see they aren’t right and refuse to sell to them. Some are identified at gun ranges. The owners see someone who is not responsible and acting oddly and call in to the police. But the official system is a shambles. That needs correcting. If the dangerously mentally ill are institutionalized there will be no more massacres with guns, bombs, flamethrowes or anything else.
getalife
February 3rd, 2013
1:46 pm
“Iraqis all had ak’s. How did that work out for them against the tyrranical us govt?”
Not bad but they used IED’s.
Sargent Schriver
February 3rd, 2013
1:48 pm
“You don’t see Obama on Fox because Fox makes stuff up and is openly hostile to Obama, often questioning his legitimacy as president or American citizenship.”
Wrong. Obama is a coward and knows he’s not quick on his feet to effectively sidestep…..something he’s avoided for 4+years. W went on any show regardless of the hostility level; Obama is the first to exclusively refuse access to press reps who want answers to real topics. 1 Fox interview in 4+years and it didn’t go well for him. Brett Baeir, FOX, was allowed an interview because BO thought he’d be a soft baller. Brett refused to allow him to dodge questions and was forced to demand a response several times. It was the only interview I’ve seemw ith our fearless leader where he was challenged and ran for cover. BO was inept and unprepared for a real interview. It was the last time and now he sticks with The View and MSNBC. It’s pathetic.
Gary
February 3rd, 2013
1:49 pm
In just the last month there have been several instances of women and men saving their lives and the lives of other because they were armed. So let me throw Obama’s words back at him. If having a gun saves just one life…we have to try.
Jays ladyparts
February 3rd, 2013
1:50 pm
you guys using your real names should reconsider…some crazy gun may slip out of the house, hail a cab and come after you.
Jhunt163
February 3rd, 2013
1:53 pm
“True. But none manufactured after 1986.” Crier is that true? Most of the reality tv shows dealing with gunsmiths, ie Sons of Guns, show them making fully automatic shotguns and other bizarre weapons for clients.
Gary
February 3rd, 2013
1:53 pm
The press is supposed to be openly skeptical of the President and the administration, not be a fawning support mechanism. Since the other networks are nothing but a cheering section for Barry, Fox is the only TV media actively questioning a sitting administration. They are the only ones on TV performing the only really valuable role of the press.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 3rd, 2013
1:54 pm
Mama Says
February 3rd, 2013
12:23 pm
I would never suggest any so impractical as taking existing weapons away. It can’t happen so anyone who is defending themselves thinking the evil government is going to come to your house and take the guns so desperately needed for self defense is absurd and not remotely related to the point.
AR-15’s are the one, if not the most popular weapon purchase today. That is wrong and not in accordance to 2nd amendment. The ability of gun manufactures to influence government to look askance at enforement and directing advertising to manhood and/or scaring one that greatly exaggerates any exposure is an issue. The second issue IMO is that while we need to enforce such laws, nothing on the table will remotely impact gun violence. It is a political ruse to impress voters most of whom don’t think practically.
Nothing here would keep bad guys out of schools, malls or other common areas. Go ahead and buy and maintain (safely I hope) your treasured weaponry..our culture has evolved to AR-15’s, the use of straw man arguments to keep this culture…
Culture is a living breathing thing…nothing will ever stem the gun culture in this country.
We can put up effective obstacles to keep bad guys out of our schools but for political reasons, no body wants to discuss that..
Thulsa Doom
February 3rd, 2013
1:55 pm
The more interesting part of towncrier’s twitchy link was the comments by libs on the death of Chris Kyle- comments like lol, irony, karma, got what he deserved, etc.
No doubt about it- some of the libs are some pretty sick people gloating over his death. But I noticed when looking at their pics that the kooks gloating the most were some downright freakshow looking people. They looked like a collection of Democrat constituents- drug addicts, circus freaks, and felons. Can’t figure out which is worst- the freaky way they look or their sickening views.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 3rd, 2013
1:57 pm
Gary
February 3rd, 2013
1:49 pm
OK how many of those instances required a gun to a path of safety? How many of those situations where other means of risk avoidance considered prior to the gun? How many of those risk situations where initiated by a gun owner simply because they were armed and as a result, put themselves is situations any reasonable risk taker would avoid?
vfp42
February 3rd, 2013
1:57 pm
How about a tax credit for purchasing a gun safe? If attic insulation is worth it so are gun safes.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
1:57 pm
The press is supposed to be openly skeptical of the President and the administration, not be a fawning support mechanism.
The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.
Winifred Dunn-Jones
February 3rd, 2013
1:59 pm
As a teacher I would like to see trained, certified, armed persons in schools. I am a gold fish teaching in a fish bowel; 200 feet of windows and four hallway classroom doors. Four doors seperated by 50 feet. One door is surround on two sides with full picture windows. No real working blinds and if the blinds did work one could become a target if put into use. Those windows face a cemetery and a hillside wooded park a perfect 200 feet of camo view into my classroom. There is no way for myself to protect my student’s if there was any intruder into my classroom There are multiple entry points, no real communication network let alone service, with few places to hide.
At best I will need to rely on untrained students’ to volunteer in a split second to be leaders for a group of children who may not be the leader’s choice of kids to hang with or tolerate. This group will need to trust and be cooperative for their leaders. They will need to follow directives in order to stay safe. These leaders will need to unlock doors and lead groups into protected spaces after I order “hit the ground and crawl.” As we all crawl and pray the sniper does not see us trying to hide or hear me give directives in a 200 foot of space.
I pray that I will never have to institute such a poor saftey senerio but that is all I have to offer my student’s for the present time. Nor do I know yet if I will be able to physically stop an intruder. I have thought about the possibility of having to do such.
Putting armed guards in schools is not a fools idea. New York state had grants to help schools pay for resources officiers to be in schools. There is no more grant money to pay for (armed) resources officers. This plan not only helped school security but also helped abused student’s and communities to know about who’s who; gangs, illegal social events, and other unwanted activities. The NRA is correct Obama sends his children to a school protected by arm guards who are not there just for Obama children. The NRA was not condeming Obams for the additional use of personal security for his children.
Given the sititution I will and would protect my family and myself from an intruder under the second amendment. As a female veteran teacher the world may asume I will be able to protect their children when under my care. At least I will try to do my best given the most primative means.
One added note: I pray that I will never ever face that one developementally ill child who I have observed that could not be labeled in New York State as in need of services. New York State has a law which encourages schools to only label 1% of their school population as needing developemental services.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
2:00 pm
I am a gold fish teaching in a fish bowel
Fish bowel?
Waaaaaaay too much information.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 3rd, 2013
2:00 pm
Sargent Schriver
February 3rd, 2013
1:48 pm
Obama should spend more time on conservative outlets than playing to those already sold. Heck, Al Sharpton has geometrically more balls that BO..he won’t go on purely because he feels insecure politically and he, like Romney with the 47% or so whom he felt wouldn’t vote for him anyway, feels it a lost cause..many folks who tune into those shows aren’t hardcore anything…most probably are but as long as BO cares only about his constituency, nothing will happen.
Gary
February 3rd, 2013
2:00 pm
The M16A1 had a three position switch. Safe – semi auto – full auto. The M16A2 followed up and it changed to Safe- Semi Auto- 3 round burst. Some soldiers in the heat of battle emptied their magazines too fast. So they reduced it to 3 round bursts. The AR-15 does not have a 3 round burst. There are still full auto versions, the M16A3 and some versions of the M4 which is a carbine version of the M16. Those are used by Special Forces, some Seal members, and some security forces. The guns you see sold on the TV shows are gunsmiths that can only sell that stuff to Law enforcement, military or people with the special licensing. The requirements for special licensing are more stringent than a typical background check. i think they fingerprint you and register your particular firearms.
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
2:01 pm
“How about a tax credit for purchasing a gun safe? If attic insulation is worth it so are gun safes”
Merely purchasing one for a tax credit is no guarantee it will actually be used.
Jays ladyparts
February 3rd, 2013
2:01 pm
steve…how many murders occur each year with AR 15s being the murder weapon.Just asking.. guess I could google it.
dumb as a rock
February 3rd, 2013
2:05 pm
I must have been watching a different video – where is the one where La Pierre supposedly gets skewered? Maybe that was just your wet dream.
Jay, guns are used many more times to prevent an attack without firing a shot. Read John Lott.
The difference between Republicans and Democrats:
If a Republican doesn’t like guns, he doesn’t buy one.
If a Democrat doesn’t like guns, he doesn’t want anyone buying one.
Jackie
February 3rd, 2013
2:05 pm
Mr. LaPierre is the chief lobbyist is the gun manufacturers, nothing else.
indigo
February 3rd, 2013
2:07 pm
Doom, jbill
You and the other nuts are nothing more than “usefull idiots” to the NRA and Republican politicians.
To them you are good for two things, and two things only. Politics(voting) and money(buying guns).
Deep down, they have nothing but comtempt for tools like you.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
February 3rd, 2013
2:08 pm
Watched the video and a few questions come to mind:
(a) Are the NRA / Conned NOW using “class warfare” in their agendas? Most of the conned on the blog, before Newtown, denigrated “class warfare” as a means to disrupt conversations — now it seems that they are FOR class warfare if the “elites have access to armed guards and they don’t”. Are the conned now flip flopping on this issue?
(b) What constitutes an “elite”?
(c) Fox News going after the NRA? I guess since Rupert Murdoch said it was ok it’s open season on them. However, the questions asked of LaPierre, like all Faux News questions, are disingenuous and faulty.
(d) Women needing more than 6 rounds to kill/maim an intruder while protecting their home and children? Then perhaps they need to take some gun training classes; and other safe home training. If you’ve missed someone after shooting point blank 6 rounds, then you probably forgot to put on your contacts. Kinda reminds me of this scenario.
Nothing beats training.
Recon 0311 2533
February 3rd, 2013
2:09 pm
“Skewered” on Fox News the News organization that Jay criticizes with regularity to the delight of his cheering section. It’s Chris Wallace’s job to toss hardball questions at his guests. LaPierre wasn’t skewered he was interviewed and presented common sense arguments the left doesn’t like. Next Jay uses the tragic murder of Chris Kyle in a shameful attempt to present his argument against armed self defense. Jay is doing his best job to advance the Obama party line a pathetic departure from his original commentary on the firearm controversy.
jbill
February 3rd, 2013
2:09 pm
Wayne LaPierre was not stewered…unless you believe left socialist like Jay that uses his job at liberal AJC to spread his own agenda. Same for cnn, msnbc and other media’s that are bought and paid for by Obama’s billionaire supporters. Hail to the Chief!
Phillip Ternullo
February 3rd, 2013
2:10 pm
Looked to me like Chris Wallace attacked NRA’s Wayne LaPierre . There was nothing about his interview that was objective. This was all about bullying ! This was an ambush ! Wayne should have gotten up and walked out . Skewered my @$$ ! Just more anti gun media on the attack !
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 3rd, 2013
2:12 pm
Winifred Dunn-Jones
February 3rd, 2013
1:59 pm
Given the odds of any individual wanting to get into your school, if you feel that way maybe you should consider another career. There aren’t many more safer work environments…
I understand 181 school shootings have occured since Columbine that took at least one life. This equates to about 13 per year. There are 98,000 public schools in the US. If you have a calculator…well the risk of it happening at your school is so negligible to warrant such discussion. Best thing you can do is to request better perimeter security to discourage and/or provide earlier warning…
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
2:12 pm
Reading these gun posts are both funny and sad. So much emotion and nowhere near half the fact to back things up. I laugh because there’s always the saying here that libs argue with emotion, yet when you bring up guns, it’s the righties that get all emotional.
Sad indeed… yet funny as hell.
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
2:14 pm
As to Chris Kyle’s death, he likely never saw it coming. As is the case with most criminal shootings, the victim doesn’t know what’s coming until it’s too late to react. Action is always faster than reaction. When we know that our military personnel can be killed in battle by firearms and our police can be killed as well, what makes one think that merely having a gun on you will make you safe?
jbill
February 3rd, 2013
2:16 pm
emotions don’t belong to the left or right but everyone…funny Brosephus @ 2:12
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
February 3rd, 2013
2:16 pm
Obama should spend more time on conservative outlets than playing to those already sold
Being that Obama,like you, is free to choose where he wants to go and whom he wants to talk to; if I was him, I’d file your comment under:
Dumb sh##t the Conned say while masterba##ting to Obama’s picture”
No need to explain.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 3rd, 2013
2:17 pm
DebbieDoRight – A Do Right Woman
February 3rd, 2013
2:08 pm
Having a gun will not keep intruders from coming into the house. The objective for any clear thinking individual is “what can I do to make my house less of a target in the first place?”
Advertising in the front lawn that you have a weapon of destruction that can take up to 10 masked men out at a clip probably isn’t a recommended strategy…
Get rid of perimeter lighting, alarms, solid locks on all openings where practically possible. By all means make your house as attractive as possible to lure those 5 masked male intruders in the house..jeez
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
2:18 pm
jbill
Yep, both sides ride emotion. Hang around this place long enough and you’re likely to see that statement that I talked about.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
February 3rd, 2013
2:18 pm
When we know that our military personnel can be killed in battle by firearms and our police can be killed as well, what makes one think that merely having a gun on you will make you safe?
The NRA told them it would. Duh!
Jays ladyparts
February 3rd, 2013
2:19 pm
good post dumb… but ya gotta admit the right is also willing to attack liberty ie bedroom stuff, abortion,heck, untill recently you could not buy a 6 pack on Sunday.The left is for chicks..and weenies, but our guys …gotta watch them too.
indigo
February 3rd, 2013
2:20 pm
jbill – 2:09
I don’t believe Jay endorses this.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
In the future, you might want to engage brain before shifing mouth.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 3rd, 2013
2:21 pm
DebbieDoRight – A Do Right Woman
February 3rd, 2013
2:16 pm
What’s wrong with making an attempt to reach all americans? Whether folks agree with his policies or not, he should take the time to accept challenges…He should man up and, like Al Sharpton, periodically put forth his positions in any forum..
He may actually gain respect of more than 51% of voters…maybe not but not making an attempt is spineless…its’ a great opportunity wasted.
Why are you afraid for him? Maybe he will make a gaffe? You don’t have much confidence in your guy to defend his policies I guess. Many of which are completely logical and sound…
VFP42
February 3rd, 2013
2:22 pm
The purchase of a gun safe indeed is no guarantee it would be used. However, the non-purchase of a gun safe IS a guarantee it won’t be used. Logic is easy, isn’t it.
To add to the likelihood a purchased gun safe would be used, all owners of all guns should all be held responsible for all shootings that happen with their guns unless there is a police report of their gun being stolen FROM THEIR LOCKED SAFE.
The 2nd Amendment says we can bear arms. That’s great. Let us all become wholly responsible for the arms we choose, quite voluntarily, to bear. If you just don’t want the responsibility, you just don’t own a gun. Simple.
Gun owning responsibility should be about the same as cars: If you own a car and you negligently allow a drunk to use it and that drunk kills somebody, you are responsible for that death.
If you drive a getaway car from a robbery, you are charged with murder if a murder if anyone is killed during the crime from which you drive away (even if the police did the killing).
Gun owners need to shoulder the responsibility for their own guns. Period. End of Story.
If Sadny Hook Mom stored her guns locked in a safe responsibly away from her deranged child, Sadny hook would still be Sandy Hook.
My goodness we are required to carry liability insurance on our cars. Why not on our guns too?
The other half of your brain.
February 3rd, 2013
2:24 pm
In almost every case, the person who draws the weapon first has an overwhelming advantage, and most of the time the person who pulls first is the criminal.
” Just imagine how many robbers there would be if they knew no one carried a weapon ”
If you’re getting robbed at gunpoint on the street, for example, having a concealed weapon in your shoulder holster does you no good at all, and if it tempts you to try something stupid, it could end up getting you and others killed.
” But wouldn’t it be nice to shoot them as they started to run away? ”
Let’s review the hard data, shall we? Each year, the FBI reports, some 200 justifiable homicides are committed with a firearm. That’s a tiny, tiny number,
” It is a tiny number, but what if it was your number??? ”
given the estimated 300 million firearms in circulation. That’s one justifiable homicide for each 1.5 million firearms. That’s the basis on which these fantasies are built. (And for the record, I recognize and support the constitutional right to possess firearms for home defense, etc.)
” If you support the right then what in the hell is your point? ”
I see where Panetta claims that WATER BOARDING led us to Bin Laden.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 3rd, 2013
2:24 pm
Jays ladyparts
February 3rd, 2013
2:19 pm
Agreed. In 18 years after Roe, the bottom fell out of crime statistics. Sure politicians and law enforcement accepted praise as they do. Unfortunately, it was the materially reduced number of unwanted kids who otherwise would have come into an age where crime becomes a tradition..
In some fashion, it’s like the gun lovers on the right want to have more targets…
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
February 3rd, 2013
2:24 pm
Deep down, they have nothing but comtempt for tools like you.
They’re laughing all the way to the bank! The best laughter of all……
getalife
February 3rd, 2013
2:24 pm
The only guns I care about today are the guns on Kapernick and Flacco.
NFC by 3.
Jay
February 3rd, 2013
2:25 pm
“Jay, guns are used many more times to prevent an attack without firing a shot. Read John Lott.
I have read John Lott. The conclusions that he attempts to draw are absolutely ludicrous and without basis in reality.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 3rd, 2013
2:27 pm
The other half of your brain.
February 3rd, 2013
2:24 pm
Unless the one to pull the gun out first isn’t ready to kill another human…how many accidental deaths occur in the households with registered weapons?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
2:27 pm
What’s wrong with making an attempt to reach all americans?
Mitt “47%” Romney says, “What?”
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
2:27 pm
“However, the non-purchase of a gun safe IS a guarantee it won’t be used.
What’s the difference? Having one and not using it, or not having one? Arguing for a “tax credit” for buying one is the same as saying “let’s give all gun owners a free gun safe, but not do anything to ensure they will actually use it to lock up their guns”
Yep, logic is easy.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
February 3rd, 2013
2:28 pm
What’s wrong with making an attempt to reach all americans?
Stevie – What century and/or time are you living in? Seriously?
This is the twitter, video blogs, computer age. You don’t have to go on every news outlet to get your point across. You only have to go on ONE — it’ll get around the world in less than 24 hours- everything you said, what you wore, your demeanor, if you farted, everything………from going on that ONE show.
Seriously.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
2:29 pm
PANETTA: WATERBOARDING LED TO BIN LADEN
drudgey spam.
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
2:29 pm
Oh, missed this: “To add to the likelihood a purchased gun safe would be used, all owners of all guns should all be held responsible for all shootings that happen with their guns unless there is a police report of their gun being stolen FROM THEIR LOCKED SAFE”
I’ve already proposed a similar requirement: that gun owners be held responsible for any crime committed with their gun. If it’s stolen, they are still responsible unless the theft is reported as soon as it is discovered. Because you know, and I know, that people who have guns for protection (real or perceived” are NOT going to lock up every gun they own.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 3rd, 2013
2:30 pm
Jay
February 3rd, 2013
2:25 pm
I’m quite certain no credible evidence exists for whomever made the statement about the number of innocent lives are saved because a gun was pulled by the “victim”
Also, I can’t help but think of Mike Tyson anytime I hear the word ludacris…I like the lispy way the word rolls off his tongue..
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
February 3rd, 2013
2:30 pm
The conclusions that he attempts to draw are absolutely ludicrous and without basis in reality.
Then he MUST BE republican…… Just saying……
Jhunt163
February 3rd, 2013
2:31 pm
“My goodness we are required to carry liability insurance on our cars. Why not on our guns too?”
And what if you couldn’t afford the liability insurance are you not afforded the right to defend yourself? The constitution protects rights that we are born with. The constitution to does not protect your right to drive, thus it is considered a privilege and not a right.
Jay
February 3rd, 2013
2:33 pm
Sargent Shriver:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6HyXCHndmk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URJUSlfTgGU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sndt0ndLn_4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKgaB_WKk2s
The other half of your brain.
February 3rd, 2013
2:33 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
2:29 pm
PANETTA: WATERBOARDING LED TO BIN LADEN
drudgey spam.
” Well at least your reading something other than all the spam on here, Sport!
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 3rd, 2013
2:34 pm
DebbieDoRight – A Do Right Woman
February 3rd, 2013
2:28 pm
Yes seriously. He should most definitely go on conservative media sites and routinely defend his positions…the only way for him to get an unbiased commentary directly from his mouth is in this manner.
Why are you so opposed to this? Politics will always prevail so he like them all only care about party re-election…heaven forbid he is unsuccessful defending his position.
He is an easy target remaining in his safe, warm and fuzzy nest.
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
2:34 pm
“And what if you couldn’t afford the liability insurance are you not afforded the right to defend yourself?”
A gun is not the ONLY way to “defend yourself” And if you can’t afford the insurance, you can’t afford the gun either.
The other half of your brain.
February 3rd, 2013
2:36 pm
A gun is not the ONLY way to “defend yourself” And if you can’t afford the insurance, you can’t afford the gun either.
” Hit them with a frying pan “
jbill
February 3rd, 2013
2:37 pm
indigo…Thanks, I’m well aware of the meaning…so change gears before putting your brain in motion.
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
2:37 pm
And what if you couldn’t afford the liability insurance are you not afforded the right to defend yourself?
LL Cool J says “Huh?”
He defended his entire family during a break in of his home bare handed without the need for a gun.
JohnnyReb
February 3rd, 2013
2:37 pm
I was disappointed in Chris Wallace’s bulldog tactics with LaPierre. Wallace was not courtesous, and he exhibited tactics more aligned with the anti-gunners than being neutral or to the right. Very disappointing.
Another disappointment this morning was Matthew Dowd on the Stephie show where he stated perhaps there should be a discussion on repealing the 2nd amendment. In case you don’t know, Dowd was a strategist for the W and Cheney 04 campaign.
But as expected, that little bearded money weasel from the NYT showed his ass on the Stephie show. He should be on the next rocket to Mars.
1811, etc.
February 3rd, 2013
2:38 pm
“Let’s review the hard data, shall we? Each year, the FBI reports, some 200 justifiable homicides are committed with a firearm ………….. On the other hand, some 10,000 people are murdered each year with a firearm.”
And ……… as usual ……. Jay leaves out:
1) The number of times a perpetrator was only “wounded” which stopped a crime.
2) The number of times a perpetrator was “shot at and missed” which stopped a crime.
3) The number of times a firearm was “pointed at” a perpetrator which stopped a crime.
4) The number of times a perpetrator “knew” a victim had a firearm which stopped a crime.
5) The number of times a perpetrator “thought” a victim might have a firearm which stopped a crime.
Geez !
The other half of your brain.
February 3rd, 2013
2:38 pm
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
2:37 pm
And what if you couldn’t afford the liability insurance are you not afforded the right to defend yourself?
LL Cool J says “Huh?”
He defended his entire family during a break in of his home bare handed without the need for a gun.
” I think he rapped to them “
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
2:38 pm
Well at least your reading something other than all the spam on here
No, I am derisively mocking you for posting drudgey crap.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
February 3rd, 2013
2:39 pm
Stevie Ray: how many accidental deaths occur in the households with registered weapons?
Great question! Here let me google that for you!!!
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 3rd, 2013
2:39 pm
Jhunt163
February 3rd, 2013
2:31 pm
Insurers dont cover intentional shootings…wrongful deaths may get some defense coverage up until the time you are found guilty…
If a record is established that any firearm has been accidentally discharged or otherwise not secured..you will find yourself a difficult time trying to get a good liability policy.
Towncrier
February 3rd, 2013
2:39 pm
“The conclusions that he attempts to draw are absolutely ludicrous and without basis in reality.”
With the implication being yours are NOT? LOL.
Jhunt163
February 3rd, 2013
2:41 pm
Liberal logic: Requiring a photo ID to vote for president, a right not guaranteed equates to a poll tax. Licenses and liability insurance for firearms are okay.
Towncrier
February 3rd, 2013
2:42 pm
“Another disappointment this morning was Matthew Dowd on the Stephie show where he stated perhaps there should be a discussion on repealing the 2nd amendment.”
Yep…and I thank him for not dissembling.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 3rd, 2013
2:42 pm
DudleyDoRight – A Do Right Woman
February 3rd, 2013
2:39 pm
Wow, so I see you are in the mood for a no-holds barred debate? Your response to what would seem to be a point to further your position is turned into pettiness.
If you want to go to the mat, best we find something we disagree on…bring it.
The other half of your brain.
February 3rd, 2013
2:42 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
2:38 pm
Well at least your reading something other than all the spam on here
No, I am derisively mocking you for posting drudgey crap.
” I don’t believe that I mentioned Drudge in my post, that proved that you must read him. “
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
2:43 pm
“The constitution to does not protect your right to drive, thus it is considered a privilege and not a right.”
Actually, that’s not neccessarily true. The Constitution says:
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
If we, as a people, decide that driving IS a right, then yes, the Consitution DOES protect it.
And where in the Constitution does it say that it cannot be decided that in order to PROTECT your right to bear arms you CAN’T be required to buy insurance? The right to bear arms is not unlimited. Just like the right to speech, it CAN be hedged with requirements for public safety.
Towncrier
February 3rd, 2013
2:43 pm
“Liberal logic…”
Is something of an oxymoron…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 3rd, 2013
2:44 pm
Requiring a photo ID to vote for president, a right not guaranteed equates to a poll tax
And how much are you willing to spend — on a per head basis — to produce and distribute a national ID that would not only be used for voting, but to also address the illegal immigrant problem as well?
JohnnyReb
February 3rd, 2013
2:45 pm
Towncrier – my estimation is Mr Dowd will regret making the statement. It is likely has been shunned by the beltway Right as he has steadily succum to working at ABC, however, if not this is do it.
The other half of your brain.
February 3rd, 2013
2:46 pm
Read any states driving laws and you will find that driving is a privilege and not a right. Why do you always want to change facts.
Brosephus™
February 3rd, 2013
2:47 pm
” I think he rapped to them “
That’s exactly what he did to HIM. He rapped some knuckles right upside his head.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 3rd, 2013
2:47 pm
The other half of your brain.
February 3rd, 2013
2:36 pm
I guess the thought never occurred to you to focus efforts on keeping them out in the first place….all these examples presume the bad guy is armed and in the house…if you have a gun for the minute possiblity that an armed intruder will threaten your life, wouldn’t you do everything to prevent entry? Most of these “incidents” are random and if they are not, perhaps one should reassess other decisions..
Towncrier
February 3rd, 2013
2:47 pm
“If we, as a people, decide that driving IS a right, then yes, the Consitution DOES protect it.”
Wrong. If the SCOTUS decides it is a right, then the Consitution is SAID to protect it.
Ralph
February 3rd, 2013
2:48 pm
I guess we all know by now that the N.R.A. has withdrawn its previous support for background checks. As Captain Kelly pointed out, the shooter in Arizona who killed a child and others with an assault weapon, had previously been found on his U.S. Army physical to have a mental disorder precluding him from handling weapons and from joining the Army. He was, nevertheless, able to purchase an Assault weapon and multiple rounds without difficulty. Although Captain Kelly did not point it out directly, he did eye Wayne LaPierre while making this statement. Mr. LaPierre was also refused U.S. Army induction because of a “nervous disorder”, but Mr. LaPierre refused to discuss this as the reason the N.R.A. was withdrawing support for the background check. Mr. LaPierre did complain that he was not allowed to carry his weapon into the Senate hearing. In his multiple public appearances Mr. LaPierre has frequently appeared to be anxious, unhinged at times, and angry. Should citizens whom the U.S. Army finds unreliable for the safe operation of firearms still be able to buy military style weapons for civilian use? Of course not.
Towncrier
February 3rd, 2013
2:49 pm
“Towncrier – my estimation is Mr Dowd will regret making the statement. It is likely has been shunned by the beltway Right as he has steadily succum to working at ABC, however, if not this is do it.”
They are drugging him with their cafeteria food. They need to assimilate as many as possible into the Matrix.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 3rd, 2013
2:50 pm
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
2:43 pm
Wow, if everyone with a gun would buy a specific gun owners policy that covered intentional shootings anywhere, I want some of that action.
I could charge a small fortune and load that sucker full of so many exclusions…awesome concept.
getalife
February 3rd, 2013
2:53 pm
I find the con’s knee jerk emotionally charged reaction to anything our President does is dull and boring.
Like the story of the boy that cried wolf too many times.
USC-69
February 3rd, 2013
2:53 pm
Mass shootings (Sandy Hook, Oak Creek, Aurora, Virginia Tech, Columbine) have resulted in 95 dead people. On average guns killed 88 Americans and injured 202 each day during 2011. When available, it is estimated that firearm homicides and suicides in 2012 will exceed motor vehicle fatalities. With less than 5 percent of the world’s population, we now own 40 percent of all firearms in civilian hands. (N Engl J Med 2013:368:397-399) Are they WELL REGULATED as prescribed by the Second Amendment? Obviously not. If you own a gun, you are statistically, significantly more likely to commit murder and to eventually commit suicide (LDI Issue Brief 2003;8(8), 1-4). What mental screening should be required prior to purchase? I propose a significant upgrade. If guns cause more human damage than automobiles then funds of equivalent amounts should be devoted to registration of each weapon, licensure on your birthday, a psychological screening test (MMPI), a practical operation test, and a written test of the weapons laws.
Doggone/GA
February 3rd, 2013
2:56 pm
“I could charge a small fortune and load that sucker full of so many exclusions…awesome concept”
Except if you did that, it’s a certainty that someone else who wants some of that action would sell the policies for less than you do.