On Fox News, NRA’s Wayne LaPierre gets skewered

What happened when NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre and Fox News’ Chris Wallace debated gun control this morning?

Let’s just say that if the Super Bowl is this one-sided, millions of TV sets will be turned off by halftime.

Also, in another tragic case that casts doubt on the usefulness of guns as a self-defense measure, former Navy SEAL Chris Kyle was shot and killed yesterday evening at a gun range in Texas. Kyle came to national fame as a sniper who claimed more than 150 kills, supposedly making him the most prolific sniper in U.S. military history. Kyle wrote a best-selling book, “American Sniper,” about his experience and parlayed his fame into a regular spot on the reality show “Stars Earn Stripes.”

He leaves a wife and two children.

UPDATE: I’ve dealt with this several times in the comments below, but let me post it here as well. Yes, the circumstances of Kyle’s death suggest that he was given no real chance by his killer to defend himself. But the sad truth is, that’s almost always the case anyway. The good guy almost never gets the drop on the bad guy; the Keith Ratliff murder here in Georgia is another example of that reality.

In almost every case, the person who draws the weapon first has an overwhelming advantage, and most of the time the person who pulls first is the criminal. If you’re getting robbed at gunpoint on the street, for example, having a concealed weapon in your shoulder holster does you no good at all, and if it tempts you to try something stupid, it could end up getting you and others killed.

Let’s review the hard data, shall we? Each year, the FBI reports, some 200 justifiable homicides are committed with a firearm. That’s a tiny, tiny number, given the estimated 300 million firearms in circulation. That’s one justifiable homicide for each 1.5 million firearms. That’s the basis on which these fantasies are built. (And for the record, I recognize and support the constitutional right to possess firearms for home defense, etc.)

On the other hand, some 10,000 people are murdered each year with a firearm.

– Jay Bookman

947 comments Add your comment

Rafe Hollister

February 3rd, 2013
10:50 am

Well, I guess there is still one broadcast outlet where you can go and still see journalism practiced.

Rafe Hollister

February 3rd, 2013
10:52 am

That’s why you never see Obama on Fox, he can’t handle a real objective interview.

indigo

February 3rd, 2013
10:55 am

The NRA’s job is to get gun manufacturer profits as high as possible by pushing for as many gun sales as they possibly can.

American capitalism at it’s finest.

Patrick Edmondson

February 3rd, 2013
10:56 am

Funny watching the worm squirm. Like watching oldtime racists defend their insane positions of hate.

Youyoutoo

February 3rd, 2013
10:58 am

You don’t see Obama on Fox because Fox makes stuff up and is openly hostile to Obama, often questioning his legitimacy as president or American citizenship. Elections have consequences…one being, no sane Dem would sink so low as to appear on a fake news network.

DannyX

February 3rd, 2013
11:06 am

“journalism practiced”

Lol!

All that practice and Fox News still can’t get it right.

In the case of this interview, a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Jay

February 3rd, 2013
11:09 am

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 3rd, 2013
11:10 am

Well, I see they went and attacked the guy that’s standing up for us normal folks that just want to hold on to our machine guns and the anti-tank weapon for self-defense and hunting. You might, if you’re a librul, be asking why a poor redneck would need a pair a machine guns to defend his home and hunt, and his answer would be “Them deer is mighty mean.”

Anyhow, I’m kinda disappointed that somebody from Fox News would take out after a NRA guy. I might need to look for another Fair and Balanced TV station if this keeps up.

I’m full of p*ss and vinegar after sleeping through the dullest sermon in the world delivered by the Rev. Postlewaite. I might of knowed he couldn’t give two good sermons in a row. I almost felt like asking for the dime back I put in the collection plate.

Have a good Sabbath everybody.

Joe8754

February 3rd, 2013
11:12 am

Fox, Objective?? What planet are you from?

emo

February 3rd, 2013
11:16 am

Obama was interviewed by O’Lie-ly and couldn’t finish a sentence. To be fair, I thought he should have shut O’Reilly up after two interruptions, but he was far too gracious.

jwb

February 3rd, 2013
11:17 am

If the government would just enforce the gun laws and deal with the gangs (i.e. the killings in Chicago…Obama’s home) this would not be an issue.

Here we go again. The law abiding citizens take the blame when the criminals roam free. Shame on Chris Wallace. He didn’t skewer the NRA guy. He just looked silly trying to do so.

Fly-On-The-Wall

February 3rd, 2013
11:17 am

Their whole argument is junk. The NRA just wants to be able to call the shots (pun intended) on guns and the ability to control our freely elected government. They believe in those so called ‘2nd Amendment solutions’ we heard about over the last couple of years. The NRA is a terrorits organization and needs to be shut down.

Real Patriot

February 3rd, 2013
11:18 am

Fox News the misinformation network

Fly-On-The-Wall

February 3rd, 2013
11:20 am

The NRA lies just keep coming – enforce the current gun laws when they pressure Congress to defund the ATF and not allow that organization to have the leader for it get a confirmation hearing. Shame on them for their lies.

Shut down the NRA.

Tom Middleton

February 3rd, 2013
11:21 am

Hallelujah we still have a Wallace on the scene. Now if we can just find him a real news network so he can keep doing this kind of thing.

Jerry Adler

February 3rd, 2013
11:21 am

Wallace gave Kelly softballs and didn’t interupt him. Wallace gave La Pierre spitballs and interupted him when he made a valid point. Hey Wallace, when are you going to have a show on MSNBC ? Between Rachel Maddow and Ed Shultz would be a good time slot for you.

Shelly Stark

February 3rd, 2013
11:22 am

Does Mr LaPierre also believe all schoolchildren deserve the same student/teacher ratio in the classroom that the Obama children have?

Yardbird

February 3rd, 2013
11:23 am

4.3 Million members of the NRA disagree.

Yardbird

February 3rd, 2013
11:23 am

4.3 Million members of the NRA disagree.

Jay

February 3rd, 2013
11:24 am

“If the government would just enforce the gun laws and deal with the gangs (i.e. the killings in Chicago…Obama’s home) this would not be an issue.

That’s exactly what Obama proposes to do. For example, many of the guns used in Chicago killings are traced back to interstate gunrunning. More than half of traced guns come from outside the state; almost one in 10 comes from Mississippi.

Obama would tighten laws on gunrunning. He would outlaw strawman purchases. He would require that every gun used in a crime be traced back to its source. He would computerize the tracing system, which thanks to NRA opposition now must be done by hand, by sifting through hundreds of boxes of documents.

All of those changes are opposed by LaPierre.

emo

February 3rd, 2013
11:25 am

So, every child in every place “deserves” armed guards like the “elites”? Who’s going to pay for it? You, laPierre? I doubt it.

Keuric

February 3rd, 2013
11:25 am

Redneck, I’m almost not sure if your post is satire.

First, deer don’t have kevlar. If you need an M10 to hunt that creature down, that’s not hunting. That’s wildly shooting. Might as well just turn your head away and hold the trigger.

Second, you may be disappointed, but you shouldn’t be surprised. While Rupert Murdoch, to me, is a corrupt, immoral media mogul who will spin whatever lie he can into whatever truth it can be made into, he has a firm belief in gun control.

There were some articles written after Sandy Hook that cited those working at the network as sources saying he personally demanded that there be no advocacy for the NRA’s policies. They didn’t have to come out as pro-gun control, and guests were free to say what they wanted, but no Fox staff were to come down in favor of looser regulations or pro-NRA, period.

The Truth

February 3rd, 2013
11:25 am

You hit the nail on the head Patrick Edmondson. We live amongst some people with no human values and would put their mother 2nd to the almighty $!

Flyswatter

February 3rd, 2013
11:25 am

Fox reports what the other networks sweep under the rug, that’s why Obummer won’t go on Fox. The other major networks have their heads so far up his butt that they will never report negative aspects on their own. Only when they are forced into the open will the finally report honestly. Fox had the goods on Bengazi long before the others, but the major networks wouldn’t report it until it became too apparent that they had to. I applaud Fox for their tenacity in holdking the administration accountable.

fdjlkjfkdsl

February 3rd, 2013
11:26 am

I predict Chris Wallace’s career won’t last much longer on FOX.

lilhebrew

February 3rd, 2013
11:26 am

yeah right. fox news “unfair and biased” used to watch all the time but last couple of years has become sooooo conservative that if you don’t think right wing teabagger you’re an idiot!

MadSat

February 3rd, 2013
11:26 am

Are you denying a Fox News viewer’s Constitution rights to simply make stuff up and act as if it really exists? And posting videos as proof! Shame on you! Don’t you know American soldiers have died to preserve the God given right to lie? The First Amendment to the Constitution (republican revised version) says clearly that lying is the highest form of truth, and that the people’s right to lie and to listen to liars shall not be abriged by any act of Congress. The (un)Holy Republican Conservative Edited Bible, revised, 33rd edition says “And God so loved the liars, he sent his only Son to them, that they might say whatever they wish and it shall be as if the words actually came from His mouth”! So there! God helps those who make stuff up! And that’s just the way it is!

Dang!

February 3rd, 2013
11:26 am

If Fox news lies and misleads the public as folks are saying here, why is it MSNBC who keeps having to apoligize?

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mheck

February 3rd, 2013
11:27 am

Regardless what side of isle the gun debate your on, the 2nd amendment gives us gun ownership without infringement, just as the 1st amendment gives you the right to speak well you thoughts and I served to protect both for this country

Steve A

February 3rd, 2013
11:28 am

“Also, in another tragic case that casts doubt on the usefulness of guns as a self-defense measure, former Navy SEAL Chris Kyle was shot and killed yesterday evening at a gun range in Texas.”

Bull puckey. A weapon does not convey magical powers of protection. It only gives you a fighting chance. This author was STUPID to make such a statement, for it reveals his tyro knowledge of reality and exposes the fallacies in his thinking. Think of this. Abraham Lincoln, James Butler “Wild Bill” Hickock, Garfield, Kennedy, and, I think, McKinley, were all shot FROM BEHIND. No one has a chance in a situation such as that. The sucker punch is always a possibility…look at Pearl Harbor and 9/11.

This author would have you believe that a weapon doesn’t even give you a chance, but that is what it does and that is ALL that it does. You see, sometimes even the good guys LOSE!

Lee

February 3rd, 2013
11:28 am

“in another tragic case that casts doubt on the usefulness of guns as a self-defense measure”

Really? From what I read, he was at a charity event held at his own ranch alongside people he apparently knew and trusted. While I certainly can’t know his mind at the time, I”m guessing he felt fairly safe with those that were surrounding him at the time. There is no evidence whatsoever presented in this article that indicates the victim tried to use his own weapon to defend himself against this attack. I hope you say a prayer tonight for Chris Kyle and his family – who dedicated his life and almost sacrificed his marriage to protect your freedom to write crap like this.

Jay

February 3rd, 2013
11:29 am

Joel Dockery

February 3rd, 2013
11:30 am

Nice straw man argument Jay. Are you insinuating that guns are not useful for defense because people get shot while armed? Please elaborate, I am quite curious on that line of reasoning.

Jonathan Nichols

February 3rd, 2013
11:30 am

The 2nd Amendment’s right to bear arms is not about defending your home or hunting deer. The right to defend ourselves is meant to be that we should have means to defend ourselves from our government should they decide to rule us as the English government did. Give us the ability to defend our freedom should our government decide to try to take it away.

And some of you want to give this government, that we are constitutionally promised to have a means to abolish if so needed, give them the right to decide how, when and IF we are able to defend our freedoms from them? Yes, we need anti-tank weapons because this government has tanks. We need machine guns because this government has machine guns itself.

It isn’t about hunting nor robbers breaking into our homes. It is about being able to stop a total government takeover if the need should ever rise. No matter how small of a chance that we could have a need to do, if there is even the smallest chance, I want that fighting chance.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

February 3rd, 2013
11:31 am

Jay

I posted this yesterday but thought it worth posting again.

I listened to part of hearings. Things quickly turned into theatre of the bizarre. A woman pleaded to the committee not to take automatic AK-47’s/bushmasters whatever away from women since physically, they can’ compete with men and that a machine gun or whatever is necessary to intimidate the 4-5 men expected to break in the house while her 5 kids cry in the background…

Nuts.

Janice Mayer

February 3rd, 2013
11:31 am

Fox was invented by Roger Ailes to try and manipulate American politics for his big-money backers. 2012 demonstrated clearly he and his “news” organization failed in that ploy. The folks didn’t buy into their racism, fear and scare facist tactics. Slow learners, they’re still at it. The NRA represents Only the manufacturers of weapons and their own financial powerbase.The Second Amendment has made them lots of money, of course they are big supporters.

Steve A

February 3rd, 2013
11:31 am

Are Piers Morgan and Chris Wallace related?

Jay

February 3rd, 2013
11:32 am

“the 2nd amendment gives us gun ownership without infringement …”

No, it does not. If it did, you could trot down to the gunshop and buy yourself a nice little .50 cal machine gun to mount on the parapet guarding your perimeter.

blarby

February 3rd, 2013
11:32 am

“Also, in another tragic case that casts doubt on the usefulness of guns as a self-defense measure, former Navy SEAL Chris Kyle was shot and killed yesterday evening at a gun range in Texas. Kyle came to national fame as a sniper who claimed more than 150 kills, supposedly making him the most prolific sniper in U.S. military history. Kyle wrote a best-selling book, “American Sniper,” about his experience and parlayed his fame into a regular spot on the reality show “Stars Earn Stripes.”

Actually, he claimed over 230- but was credited with the 160.

No, a gun is not a great self defense tool if you don’t have one in your hand, and someone shoots you with theirs.

Nice friggin point, tool.

Hetch Hetchy

February 3rd, 2013
11:32 am

I’d like to see Jay Bookman judge the usefulness of guns as a self defense after some hoodrat sticks one in his face and pulls the trigger.

Aquagirl

February 3rd, 2013
11:33 am

I”m guessing he felt fairly safe with those that were surrounding him at the time.

Well, there’s the problem. You’re never safe! You need MORE guns and MORE paranoia! Shoot ‘em as soon as they pull in your driveway!

Ken

February 3rd, 2013
11:33 am

“The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun”… but sometimes the good guy just gets shot.

The Truth

February 3rd, 2013
11:33 am

Rednexk you are the clear reason as to why we need stricter gun regulations. What “normal” person need machine guns and tanks? We game hunt and those weapons are not necessary for deer. You may see a need for it but necessary, no way no how! The unfortunate thing is the wrong people have this weaponry and it is killing our innocent. Tell the families of the children who were killed in Conn and see if your deer hunting is worth leaving the NRA basically unregulated, I don’t think so!

John

February 3rd, 2013
11:33 am

So Jay, care to elaborate how getting shot in the back by some spineless prick casts doubt on the usefulness of guns as a self-defense measure?

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

February 3rd, 2013
11:34 am

Jay

February 3rd, 2013
11:24 am

They sound all good and well but they will never be enforced as this is simply political theatre offering to enforce and perhaps upgrade registration…with 310 million guns out there, there are already more than enough to keep mass killings fashionable for the balance of our lifetimes..

Of course nothing suggested will remotely keep bad guys out of schools…still waiting for that blue ribbon panel..

F. Quattrone

February 3rd, 2013
11:34 am

I wouldn’t say he was skewered. He gave responses to reasonable questions in a very murky issue.

At heart, the gun debate is about trust — do you trust the government, do you trust individuals. What we have seen over the years is that neither government nor many individuals can be trusted with weapons.

We conduct illegal wars, and yet were founded on the fear and experience of subjection under government tyranny. The example being that government can be used both to protect the public and to oppress them.

Guns were given as a right to the people to protect against an unjust government. But people too can use guns to protect the public like a private security guard, and to commit crimes.

Ultimately the argument always rests on the people you trust to have guns to protect against the people you don’t trust who also have them.

And these days, its hard to trust anybody. So we can argue all day long and both sides will make salient points, and there doesn’t really seem to be an obvious solution because the problem is inside the enigma of the human mind. We never really know what someone’s intentions are.

No matter what solution you come up with, someone will kill or oppress someone else.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

February 3rd, 2013
11:35 am

JOHN

If you get shot in the back, how would even a howlitzer have helped?

Does the gun you envision have a review mirror?

Jonathan Nichols

February 3rd, 2013
11:36 am

All this talk about gun laws and gun control, I have yet to hear one person want to pass more laws and push gun control onto the military of our government. I think disarming the people of this country while letting the government have as many weapons as it sees fit is illogical and not responsible. Letting a government disarm everyone while it builds its military larger and stronger is a good way to find ourselves one day under strict government control.

You don’t believe the government should force you to buy health insurance but that they should force everyone to disarm and give up the only means we have to protect our freedoms. Stop buying into the media that is pushing you all to believe you need this control from the government. If not, one day they will be reporting about the fierce dictatorship that rules this land.

Kim Harloff

February 3rd, 2013
11:36 am

When the second amendment was created, we feared an invasion by the Red Coats, the country was quite rural,and composed of thirteen states, mostly along the eastern coastline, and the industrial revolution revolution had not yet occurred.

But the world has evolved, the psychological world has changed, social structure has changed, and the sophistication of fire arms have evolved further that our forefathers could ever imagine.

The second amendment has become obsolete ad needs to either be amendment, itself, or removed from the constitution all together.

We have got to stop trying to squeeze a square peg into a round hole with all sorts of ad-hoc legal excuses for people to justify their right to own powerful firearms that have evolved into mass-killing machines.

Again, the Red Coats are NOT coming, lock up your weapons in an arsenal until the new Early Defense Warning System, the new Paul Revere, comes galloping through the town.

Bob A booey

February 3rd, 2013
11:37 am

LMAO…Fox..journalism. talk about an oxymoron. There is no way the division on opinions will ever change. I am a gun owner and believe that I have my rights as spelled out by my state and federal governments. Others believe those rights should be infringed. I strongly believe in your right to be wrong.Citing recent crackpot incidents, and attempting to infringe my rights on this issue are not rational arguments.

In turn, lets pick another polarizing issue….immigration, abortion, states rights…pick one, we will not ever reach a fair and balanced approach on either side. Exercise your right to vote, know that majority rules, and that majority changes constantly contingent on the issue at hand.

The only thing I can support FOX news on is in it’s recent dismissal of Sarah Palin…how she lasted as long, or even got hired in the first place ( huge political mind? insightful opinions? well educated?…ooops another oxymoron!!!) .

ev

February 3rd, 2013
11:37 am

I’m only going to say that you are an idiot Jay and do the usual take one story and extrapolate it to an entire population.

I guess if you write for a rag like the AJC then you don’t actually have to do any critical thinking. All you have to do is post videos or graphs and then make an asinine comment.

All for the cause!!! One person couldn’t defend themselves with a gun!!! SHOCKING story at 5. Guns don’t protect people 100% of the time…viable self defense???? You decide!!!

Ken

February 3rd, 2013
11:38 am

The one funny thing is that LaPierre is a horrible, horrible PR spokesperson for the NRA. Most lobbyist media spokespersons are glib, trained, handsome, and convincing. LaPierre is combative and doesn’t photograph well, and constantly looks like he is on a Hitler-like tirade, but he sticks to the talking points without deviation. This is really the NRA’s achilles heel; they exercise their power not through public persuasion, but through campaign funding and holding pro-gun legislators to unrealistic pledges.

Coldsteel1983

February 3rd, 2013
11:38 am

It’s not about “the children”. It’s about the Second Amendment. We see the Progressive Statists wanting to expand their doctrines across the country. Before jumping on their bandwagon, how about examining the geographic concentrations of violent crimes and a statistical analysis of the demographics of that crime. I think you’ll find that in both cases they correlate very closely to areas with exceptionally high governmental participation in the lives of those inhabiting those areas.

As far as “tracing”, the current 4473 is supposed to never leave the location of purchase or be a component of a database. You view of tracing takes the current FFL sale background check and makes it a de facto registration, something that’s one step away from confiscation. The government has no business knowing what or how many firearms I posesss, as long as I am not precluded by law from possessing them.

Consider the current state of firearms (especially potentially threatened types) sales and ammunition sales… Nobody can keep anything in stock. They are literally flying off the shelves. Why do you think that is? Do you think that people are buying these items (not cheap) to turn them in for restaurant or Wal*Mart gift cards? No, you know better that that. Now you need to ask yourself why they are arming themselves to the teeth when faced with a government that has clearly abandoned any pretense of operating ina Constitutional manner.

mheck

February 3rd, 2013
11:38 am

Well if you have ever been outside this country to see what tyrannical governments have done their people……issue them all a fire arm……never not seen a tyrant leader not applauded at his dimise

GT

February 3rd, 2013
11:38 am

Wallace’s blood line finally shows up. If you closed your eyes you could hear his father.

His energy came from the fact he thought the elite was being attacked, in the ads with NRA, but what a brilliant job of journalism, I must say. There is hope in the network news community when the dullest of the children makes an A.

Now comes a man killed at a shooting range. Guns are made for preventions of death, is the NRA’s campaign slogan; well here is a stage where all are armed. Chris Kyle was the best of the best and he had no protection from this violence, even with gun in hand.

Oscar

February 3rd, 2013
11:39 am

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 3rd, 2013
11:39 am

More than half of traced guns come from outside the state; almost one in 10 comes from Mississippi.

Well, now you went and done it, Bookman. I bet by 2 today josef will be on here to take up for Mississippi, and this time you’ll be the one threatened with getting pounded into the pavement.

waterman1421

February 3rd, 2013
11:40 am

It is a shame to use the death of a soldier who gave a decade of his life in defense of our country to ‘cast doubt on the usefulness of guns as a self defense measure’. The circumstances of his death are not known at present and he may well have been shot without warning. There are documented cases daily of even children defending themselves successfully against predators and attackers. I guess we know where you stand Jay and that is your right. The right that Chris Kyle defended for you and me.

stephen jones

February 3rd, 2013
11:40 am

I must have watched another interview…..tough questions? Clearly. Skewered? Are you forking kidding me? This “headline” for a blogger reveals the commentary and blog for what it is, left wing tripe attempting to sway people who are undecided about Second Amendment interpretation. LaPierre knows his business, and his audience, and handled himself exceptionally well. Jay, Hagel is the only guy that got skewered this week. Where’s your crappy blog headline that proclaims that?

Gary

February 3rd, 2013
11:40 am

I’m amazed at the ignorance of the anti-2nd amendment crowd. They have such strong opinions and haven’t read the proposed bans or know next to nothing about firearms. Or gunshows. Or the flaws in the NICs system.

There will be no ban of any more weapons. Its very unlikely that high capacity magazines will be banned. There can be a compromise on the background checks, but i don’t think it be universal. The NRA position is that the current system is struggling to handle its current demand. Adding double the use will make it a nightmare. Fix it first. Besides, if I want to give my 16 year old son my 22 caliber rifle, why the hell should I need to make him have a background check? That’s just dumb. The NICS system has a high number of false positives. A lot of states fail to include their data in a timely manner. Making that system universal before its fixed is just… stupid. Fix it. Finally fix it. The NRA has been trying to get it fixed for years and have been able to get nowhere.

Eddie Vest

February 3rd, 2013
11:40 am

Same old story. One doesn’t “need” this firearm or that. Next argument will be that one doesn’t “need” to hunt because the grocery store has everything that anyone “needs”.

mheck

February 3rd, 2013
11:40 am

Just think you liberals I shot a 94% complete pistol target qual yesterday and my well taught son a 100%

Jonathan Nichols

February 3rd, 2013
11:41 am

Kim, it is not the Red Coats I am fearing. It is our own Red, White and Blue Coats. Should we fully disarm ourselves and outlaw guns and weapons and only allow our government to have these things? What if we do just that and our government decides to also remove our First Amendment rights, or our Third? Will we have any way to stop them? Not all government dictatorships are elected by the people. They are established by force and that is what our forefathers passed that amendment for. To allow us a means to stop our government if the need should arise.

James brown

February 3rd, 2013
11:44 am

I will never give up my guns,but I will give up Obama.As long as he is in office MY COUNTRY will suffer.

raysday2

February 3rd, 2013
11:44 am

Chris Wallace is just another example of bleeding heart liberals and their stupidity of gun control. I really bet he has never had armed security. I have no problem seeing the Gun Contol Fanatics give up their guns and maybe post their names and addresses on the internet.Certainly would give the crooks a safe place to conduct their work and make my neighborhood safer.

Vince Neil

February 3rd, 2013
11:44 am

The second amendment exists as the citizen’s defense against tyranny. Nothing about skeet or hunting ever….we need crazy people control, not gun control!

Gary

February 3rd, 2013
11:44 am

By the way. Machine guns have been regulated since the National Fire Arms Act of 1934 which regulated any firearms that can fire more than one round per trigger pull. That means all assault rifles are already strictly regulated. You cannot just go to the local gunstore and buy an assault rifle. The AR-15 is not an assault rifle. By definition an assault rifle can fire both semi automatic AND full auto or in 3 round bursts on a single trigger pull. The AR-15 is semi auto only and semi autos have been legal since they were invented in 1903. Semi auto weapons are not assault weapons. The left is using those words to con people who won’t take the time to research the topic of firearms. You’re being duped.

Dang!

February 3rd, 2013
11:44 am

Exactly which of the new proposals by Obama would have stopped the Chris Kyle murder? And if you don’t think a gun is useful in self defense, talk to the woman in Duluth.

mheck

February 3rd, 2013
11:45 am

Wait til we are all peasants begging for food stamps from a broke goverment

M S

February 3rd, 2013
11:45 am

Fox News has thrown in the towel on the 2nd. All anyone has to do is look at the massive amount of crime in all the minority cities like L.A. CA, Chicago, Philadelphia, Washington DC, etc., etc., to know why we need guns TO PROTECT OURSELVES AGAINST THEM. Look at the “flash Mobs” conducted by negros through out our country, to show us why we need high capacity manginess. The 2nd Amendment is not for just personal protecting, it is to protect us from a tyrannical government. A government gone against its own CITIZENS. A government that has failed to protect our border from a Mexican Invasion. A government that intentionally stacks the deck to allow Mexicans & other foreigners to vote in our country via “no ID required” etc..

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

February 3rd, 2013
11:46 am

Jay

February 3rd, 2013
11:32 am

Didn’t the word reasonable or something like that modify the term guns in the 2nd amendment?

“does not protect those weapons not typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes, such as short-barreled shotguns.”

I just saw a picture of an AR-15…is this a gun typically possessed? I guess another law or interpretation that never was enforced?

Jay

February 3rd, 2013
11:47 am

” care to elaborate how getting shot in the back by some spineless prick casts doubt on the usefulness of guns as a self-defense measure?

Sure, John. I’d be glad to elaborate on that.

Kyle’s proficiency with firearms provided him no defense whatsoever, which is exactly my point. In almost every case, the person who draws the weapon first has an overwhelming advantage, and most of the time the person who pulls first is the criminal. Having a concealed weapon in your shoulder holster does you no good at all, and if it tempts you to try something stupid, it could end up getting you and others killed.

Let’s review the hard data, shall we? Each year, the FBI reports, some 200 justifiable homicides are committed with a firearm. That’s a tiny, tiny number, given the estimated 300 million firearms in circulation. That’s one justifiable homicide for each 1.5 million firearms. That’s the basis on which these fantasies are built. (And for the record, I recognize and support the constitutional right to possess firearms for home defense, etc.)

On the other hand, some 10,000 people are murdered each year with a firearm.

GT

February 3rd, 2013
11:47 am

Coldsteel it is not about the second amendment. You remind me of a divorced father trying to blame the ex-wife for every negative thing that happens to your kids to win their favor. Sometimes your enthusiasm to win the debate skews the truth. In the long run the kids never believe anything you say and your tactics do exactly the opposite of what you intended. Mature adults on the other hand are usually sober and well balanced in their arguments even an occasional “I don’t know”. Try it sometime you will find a whole new world opening up to you being honest. I imagine Chris Wallace discovered this today.

suwaneeguy

February 3rd, 2013
11:48 am

Mr. Bookman, it is difficult for a gun to be used for self defense when you are shot in the back, as was Chris Kyle.

J. Logan

February 3rd, 2013
11:49 am

Wayne La Pierre has the been the spokesperson for the NRA for too long, and LaPierre’s position, and that of the NRA is far from mainstream. When you wander from the political center, you get your butt handed to you, as happened to Mitt Romney and his far to the right running mate. I also note that Rightist, Sarah Palin and Fox have parted ways. Fox may have been a little kinder to LaPierre a couple years ago, because, it now seems they can’t get to the center of the political spectrum fast enough. Given that 195,000 Americans die annually from medical mistakes, it would seem that the Obama Administration also should give some thought to banning doctors and high capacity nurses.

Woody

February 3rd, 2013
11:50 am

Apparently Chris Kyle took some poor unfortunate vet with PTSD (his killer) out to the shooting range for some “shooting therapy.” LOL. I sincerely hope all you gun freaks are feeling *something* other than your usual jaw flapping, false superiority, and twisted sense of security against “government.” The dude was just another Obama hating blowhard gun nut. You reap what you sow buddy.

Aquagirl

February 3rd, 2013
11:50 am

And if you don’t think a gun is useful in self defense, talk to the woman in Duluth.

The one who successfully defended herself and her children with a .38 revolver? I wish more gun nuts would talk to her, maybe they’d shut up about how they need 15 high-capacity firearms or they’re helpless as babies.

Mama Says

February 3rd, 2013
11:52 am

Jay,

I am for stricter laws but please don’t use those who opposed your position in your argument. All evidence in the Kyle case points to the murderer being a mental case. Kyle worked with Vets who suffered PTSD. It was one of these men who shot him.

Which if anything should stand to support any effort to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. A position that the NRA supports.

NB

February 3rd, 2013
11:53 am

Already using the tragic death of an American Hero to bolster an agenda, eh? Lack of class aside; it’s a massively benign argument, as a range is one place where even a normally armed individual can be the most vulnerable.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

February 3rd, 2013
11:53 am

BOB A booey

February 3rd, 2013
11:37 am

Of course nothing will change in media. The minute that the media became news, the news took on a whole new look. All sources have bias and rush too much to report any story early in order to shape opinion before a situation is even moderately assessed. The way they report, the amount of confirmed data they choose to use etcetera, allows the bias to become the prime theme of such reporting…

I’m sure this has been a way for ever, but now for entertainment purposes, it is put right our front…proudly…

Obamatron

February 3rd, 2013
11:53 am

Be vewwy vewwy quiet, I’m hunting Wepubwicans.

Gary

February 3rd, 2013
11:53 am

Lapierre is a bulldog. His place is behind the scenes. David Keene does a much better job dealing with the public. He’s charming, engaging and very knowledgeable. Lapierre is not extreme, if you actually understand the issues…which it doesn’t seem most do.

Mama Says

February 3rd, 2013
11:54 am

Auqagirl tell me the difference between an assault rifle and a rifle. Then the difference between a semi auto and full auto please

ev

February 3rd, 2013
11:55 am

Jay, how many of those crimes were committed by people with priors or used in gang violence? I have heard estimates anywhere from 60-80%.

Why does Chicago have such a gun violence rate even though guns are banned?

Gun violence is regional and should be treated as a regional problem. The big cities where gangs are located are where most of the murders happen. There is no reason for the Federal government to enact a law that would punish Wyoming for the violence in Los Angeles. That is the whole point of the 10th amendment. Different states and cities have different problems. The Federal government cannot make a law that fits every locale.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

February 3rd, 2013
11:56 am

Aquagirl

February 3rd, 2013
11:50 am

Yeah, I’m sure that most of the owners of 310 million guns encounter such situations with frequency..last I checked, about 3 million home invasions are reported annually. How many of those were to rape, kidnap, or kill versus burglarize? There are many other ways to make your home less of a target…

Jay

February 3rd, 2013
11:56 am

“Which if anything should stand to support any effort to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. A position that the NRA supports.

No, it does not. If it did, it would support a universal background check before purchase of a firearm. Instead, it strongly opposes such a background check.

Redneck

February 3rd, 2013
11:57 am

I thought LaPierre did quite well with the assinine questions that Wallace asked.

In response to the question regarding the presidents children needing security I would have responded his children are no better than mine so why should they get taxpayer protection and mine don’t. I would then have mentioned that Mike has armed protection when he travels, at his cost.

And Kim, actually the second amendment is there so the citizens can have arms in order to protect themselves from a corrupt government.

Jhunt163

February 3rd, 2013
11:57 am

Meanwhile on another network they had that clown Paul Krugman. Does anyone actually take him seriously? He blamed austerity on the drop in GDP. Only in America can you have a trillion dollar deficit and call it austerity.

James

February 3rd, 2013
12:00 pm

“He would outlaw strawman purchases.”

Strawman purchases are already illegal http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-4.pdf.

I think you may have meant to indicate that the administration wants to outlaw private sales of firearms without a background check.

With or without a blanket background check, the straw man purchases will continue by those who don’t follow the law today and won’t follow the law in future.

Jay

February 3rd, 2013
12:00 pm

You guys prefer to believe that the circumstances of Kyle’s death make it the exception. It is instead the rule; the exceptions are those relatively rare cases — again, some 200 times a year — when guns are used to kill the criminal.

Keith Ratliff offers another sad example.

Patricia

February 3rd, 2013
12:00 pm

Does LaPierre know that 85% of NRA member favor background checks? I guess the dues don’t go toward HIS salary. I suppose he’s forgotten his testimony FOR universal background checks back in 1999. So he was FOR background checks, before he was AGAINST background checks!
Why do we even elect representatives who covet an NRA rating?

DannyX

February 3rd, 2013
12:01 pm

The NRA does not speak for all Americans. A Gallup poll from last week found overwhelming support for Obama’s sensible gun proposals.

January 23 Gallup

“Do you support background checks for all gun sales?”
YES…92%
NO…8%

“Should the government reinstate and STRENGTHEN the assault weapons ban that was in place from 1994 to 2004?”
YES…60%
NO…35%

Should the government limit the sale of ammunition magazines to those with 10 rounds or less?
YES…54%
NO…43%

In fact every single one of Obama’s proposals has more support than opposition. The NRA thinks they speak for the vast majority of Americans, they DON’T.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/160085/americans-back-obama-proposals-address-gun-violence.aspx

IMPEACH LAPIERRE!!

Fly-On-The-Wall

February 3rd, 2013
12:02 pm

Wow, just wow. There are some really sick people posting here today. They see a government take over around every corner and in every shadow. I’m sure I don’t want to be a part of their group as they live in fear every single day and see a boogyman behind everything. Nor do I want them attempting to run this government either because they simply don’t believe in government.

Can’t we give these crazies a large part of Montana or some other wide-open state so they can go live there in fear and not bother us? We won’t go in and they can’t come out. They can keep all the guns they want, live in the doomsday fear that they do (along with Glenn Beck). That would make them happy and us safe.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

February 3rd, 2013
12:02 pm

Mama Says

February 3rd, 2013
11:54 am

Why is the knowledge or definition of an assualt weapon relevant? The founding fathers in no way, shape or form concieved at the time that a weapon that can fire rounds in seconds is what they meant.

Nice deflection but the question remains..why is there so much paranoia by those who insist on having such guns? Why are those folks more vulnerable to assualt than the rest of us?

What’s next, jeeps with mounted machine guns to provide adequate self defense?

I think the self defense and paranoia offerings are simply a ruse. Some folks feel the need to harness that kind of power…why they hide behind this idiotic reasoning is beyond me…

MO Atty

February 3rd, 2013
12:02 pm

To Jay, the award-winning columnist: Your statement that the Chris Kyle killing “casts doubt on the usefulness of guns as a self-defense measure” makes as much sense as saying that the JFK killing in Dallas casts doubt on the usefulness of Secret Service Agents as security for presidents. Try again.

Towncrier

February 3rd, 2013
12:03 pm

“Also, in another tragic case that casts doubt on the usefulness of guns as a self-defense measure, former Navy SEAL Chris Kyle was shot and killed yesterday evening at a gun range in Texas.”

What an utterly dumb thing to say. Does the fact that airbags or seatbelts do NOT fully ensure the survival of people in car wrecks “cast doubt” on their usefulness? Only, I suspect, to someone whose real aim is to completely ban guns. Why not be honest, Jay, like Piers Morgans and just ADMIT you want to ban all guns? Why dissemble like Barack “Skeets” Obama?

Self Defender

February 3rd, 2013
12:03 pm

Shooting may be by someone dealing with PTSD. Why is the conversation in the media focused only on guns and not the mental illness of the shooters in all the recent shootings?

GET REAL

February 3rd, 2013
12:05 pm

He threw nothing but softballs to Mark Kelly. 13 minutes and Kelly never mentioned anything about what drives people to commit violent acts. In the past several weeks we’ve had a young mother stabbed multiple times by a psycho at a Target store in NJ, and in NYC a 14 year old broke into a neighbor’s apartment, snatched a 9 year old boy, dragged him up the stairs to the roof and threw him off. But the liberal left is only interested in taking away guns. They have NO INTEREST in studying the REASONS WHY people behave violently. They don’t care about reducing violence. They only want to bash the 2nd amendment. WALLACE IS A DISGRACE AND SHOULD BE FIRED FOR SUCH A ONE-SIDED “INTERVIEW.”

Jay

February 3rd, 2013
12:05 pm

So Self-Defender, you would support universal background checks to help ensure that mentally ill people can’t buy guns?