First draft of ethics plan both encouraging, worrisome
House Speaker David Ralston
If tightened and passed into law, the ethics-reform package announced this week by House Speaker David Ralston could restructure relationships between lobbyists and state legislators and in some ways alter the Gold Dome political culture for the better.
Its core proposal is a provision that bans, rather than caps, most gifts from lobbyists to legislators. In an interview Thursday, Ralston dismissed a competing proposal of a $100 gift cap, calling it a “gimmick” because it puts no limit on the number of such gifts that a lobbyist could offer or a legislator could accept. A ban is more easily understood by all parties — lobbyists, legislators and the general public — and more easily enforced as well.
However, while the bill bans gifts to individual legislators, it puts no limit on what lobbyists can spend on legislators in groups, such as a House committee or subcommittee. Among other problems, that loophole plays into the hands of the most deep-pocketed of special interests. Banking lobbyists, for example, could afford to take the entire House and Senate banking committees out for a night’s dinner and entertainment, while consumer groups could not. At the very least, the legislation should put a per-head limit on such expenditures.
The bill also does too little to address the common practice of showering influential legislators with all-expense-paid, multi-day trips to resorts under the guise of speaking to associations and groups. (To Ralston’s credit, it does ban payment of golf-course fees and similar expenses on such outings.) It’s part of a legislator’s job to speak before annual conventions of professional associations and trade groups, and it’s appropriate to have legitimate expenses covered. However, appearing on a breakfast panel doesn’t justify a three-day suite at a top-end resort, all meals and beverages covered. Limiting it to a one-night stay would solve the problem.
The package offers important reform in other ways as well. It would require legislators to quickly report all campaign donations received after January 1 and just before the annual legislative session opens. Ralston refers to that window as “a frenzy of fundraising activity,” when those seeking help from the incoming Legislature often make donations. Requiring quick reporting of such contributions at least makes that window transparent.
More important, the bill restores a degree of autonomy to the state ethics commission. Several years ago, as punishment for a ruling on the use of corporate jets, legislative leaders stripped the ethics panel of the authority to make its own rules, crippling its operation. That power would be restored under the speaker’s proposal.
Unfortunately, the biggest flaw in the Ralston proposal is a doozy and a potential deal-killer. For some unknown reason, the bill redefines “lobbyist” so broadly that a PTA president speaking to a local school board or a neighborhood association leader who testifies before a planning commission would first have to pay $300 to register as a lobbyist. The same would apply to anybody testifying before or sending information to a legislative committee.
That’s unacceptable and unnecessary, a message that legislators say they have received loud and clear. On Thursday, a House subcommittee promised to extensively revise that language by next week, and Ralston echoed that pledge in our interview. There’s simply too much good in this proposal to allow it to fail on such grounds.
– Jay Bookman
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Simple Truths
February 1st, 2013
9:26 am
Ban the darn gifts!
Tundra Dude
February 1st, 2013
9:27 am
ditto!
2nd
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
9:27 am
it puts no limit on what lobbyists can spend on legislators in groups, such as a House committee or subcommittee.
sheesh.
Do I really need to read any more to know that this is gonna be 100% bovine squeezin’s?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 1st, 2013
9:28 am
The definition and rules regarding “lobbyist” have been a problem for some time. There certainly are clear differences between the paid lobbyists and those who profess for a particular interest. I’ve had to walk that line myself. It needs work but as often done, there can always be a “fix” later as legislators often do.
RB from Gwinnett
February 1st, 2013
9:29 am
Dang it!! I was betting on Jay’s first post being the DNC spin on how the increase in the unemployment rate was the Republican’s fault.
Guess the DNC is still working on that one.
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
9:31 am
It’s part of a legislator’s job to speak before annual conventions of professional associations and trade groups, and it’s appropriate to have legitimate expenses covered.
so have the taxpayers pay for such things, and provide a reasonable accounting for why you, as a state legislator, felt it was worth spending our money to participate, and face the music if your constituents disagree. This ain’t rocket science.
Oscar
February 1st, 2013
9:31 am
that depends on what your definition of bs is.
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
9:32 am
Where ever two or more of ye are gathered together ye
may receive largesse….
Dave
February 1st, 2013
9:32 am
I’m amazed at the good in the bill. I heard in a radio report that they are going to amend it so as to not apply to people addressing their representatives unless they were doing so for a group. I don’t know that non-profits should be exempt from registration and I don’t know that $300 is an unreasonable fee. With some of what you suggest being added, we might have a real ethics law. Imagine that.
the cat
February 1st, 2013
9:32 am
Do David Ralston and Chris Christie have a wager on who weighs the most? Are they potential WW spokespeople?
Oscar
February 1st, 2013
9:34 am
stands – the taxpayers should not pay for those trips. Not part of the job.
Road Scholar
February 1st, 2013
9:35 am
Add the lawmakers family and friends to the gift ban to ensure they don’t “go around” the intent of the policy. Have all trips reviewed and approved by the Speaker, or his rep, PRIOR to the trip. I had to do that when working for state government on travel that was not “normal” based on my day to day responsibilities and duties. I had to submit a trip budget and how it was to be paid for. We were also banned from taking anything/gifts w/o the Commissioner’s sign off! No gifts, no problem!
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
9:35 am
I guess on balance, however, it sounds like a step in the right direction. Kinda like the incremental filibuster reform managed by Reid a few days back–not at all what I’d want to see, but progress.
Paul
February 1st, 2013
9:36 am
“Unfortunately, the biggest flaw in the Ralston proposal is a doozy and a potential deal-killer.” Hope they correct it. The cynic in me says “why do you think the deal killer was put there in the first place?”
The idea that a person who describes himself as “servant of the public” should expect gifts and freebies from those he serves strikes me as twisted.
Lord Help Us
February 1st, 2013
9:37 am
‘I was betting on Jay’s first post being the DNC spin on how the increase in the unemployment rate was the Republican’s fault.’
Is there a point at which you grow weary of being wrong?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 1st, 2013
9:37 am
JAY
Are the specifics preceded by general tenets of ethical behavior that defines intent? In my business, we have to take exam(s)before the specifics are laid out, tenets including responsibility, accountabily, honesty and liability are spelled out to clarify the intent..
Of course, none of those categories can currently apply to any elected official since the current and preferred way of doing business flys in the face of such practible concepts..
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
9:37 am
the taxpayers should not pay for those trips. Not part of the job.
If it’s not part of the job, then they should not be attending such events, period.
If there is value to attend such an event, however, the taxpayer SHOULD pay for it. It is far, far cheaper for us to send some guys to a convention here or there on OUR dime, then to pay for it later in countless ways through quid pro quo legislation that shafts us.
This does make sense, yes?
DannyX
February 1st, 2013
9:37 am
“I was betting on Jay’s first post being the DNC spin on how the increase in the unemployment rate was the Republican’s fault.”
157,000 net jobs created. Big gains in construction employment. More gains in manufacturing. Government jobs down yet again. An average of 180,000 net job gains per month the past two years.
Now, for the billboard readers that will only read a quick sentence to find their negative angle, then yes, the small rise in unemployment would be something to celebrate.
Bob
February 1st, 2013
9:38 am
“Several years ago, as punishment for a ruling on the use of corporate jets, legislative leaders stripped the ethics panel of the authority to make its own rules, crippling its operation. That power would be restored under the speaker’s proposal.”
Jay, how many years does “several” mean ? When did it happen and who were those repubs that stripped the ethics panel of authority ?
Lord Help Us
February 1st, 2013
9:38 am
Does the title of PUBLIC servant entitle one to gifts from those whose interests are not with the public…
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
9:38 am
Is there a point at which you grow weary of being wrong?
I was going to ask if there were a point at which RB realized there are other backyards where he can go do his business without stinking up Jay’s.
Paul
February 1st, 2013
9:39 am
I agree with stands – overall, a step in the right direction. Maybe it’s the foundation and more can be added to build and strengthen the structure as time goes by.
And, I’m guessing ‘congrats’ is due the AJC for keeping the pressure on over the years.
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
9:41 am
‘congrats’ is due the AJC for keeping the pressure on over the years.
Credit where it’s due to Kyle as well.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 1st, 2013
9:41 am
RB from Gwinnett
February 1st, 2013
9:29 am
In fairness, the latest minor changes in employment, growth and jobless claims are nothing of substance since all due to timing and transitional issues. Only when next numbers arrive as well as retroactively revised numbers, its a difficult argument to pursue..the explanation by the feds et al are pretty solid at this point.
Jay
February 1st, 2013
9:41 am
Bob, that was under the Glenn Richardson regime.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 1st, 2013
9:43 am
Lord Help Us
February 1st, 2013
9:37 am
The mere idea that one or another party have much real influence over these measures is silly IMO.
Jay
February 1st, 2013
9:44 am
No Stevie Ray, no such preamble. However, I believe that freshmen legislators get such a course in an orientation session held at UGa.
RB from Gwinnett
February 1st, 2013
9:44 am
Lord Help Us, “Is there a point at which you grow weary of being wrong?”
I guess somebody has either not been paying attention to the news or has the usual liberal selective bent to it…
“The economy shrank from October through December for the first time since the recession ended…White House press secretary Jay Carney laid the blame for a surprise economic contraction squarely at the feet of congressional Republicans Wednesday, saying economic threats during the “fiscal cliff” negotiations had prevented important defense spending. “Our economy is facing a major headwinds, and that’s Republicans in Congress,” Carney said.”
LHU, do you ever grow weary of carrying Obama’s water?
southpaw
February 1st, 2013
9:44 am
Jay
I like your description of the legislation as “first draft.” Like most other first drafts, the finished product is likely to be better. How much better remains to be seen.
Lord Help Us
February 1st, 2013
9:45 am
‘The mere idea that one or another party have much real influence over these measures is silly IMO.’
The comparison of Bill Clinton to GWB exhibits otherwise…
Madge From Accounting
February 1st, 2013
9:45 am
Republicans + Ethics = Oxymoron
Lord Help Us
February 1st, 2013
9:46 am
‘LHU, do you ever grow weary of carrying Obama’s water?’
Not as long as it is contained in a bucket with an ergonomic handle…
Jay
February 1st, 2013
9:47 am
And Paul, no congrats to anyone until this thing is signed, sealed and delivered. Too many ways it could go bad.
getalife
February 1st, 2013
9:47 am
Change seldom happens in one day.
You have to get change started first and it is a ongoing process.
You started the change so now you keep the pressure on for more change.
Congrats Georgia for starting this change.
Mark T
February 1st, 2013
9:48 am
Jay, sorry for the off topic but I wanna answer a question you asked in your gun control proved effective model post….you asked
January 28th, 2013
12:54 pm
Has anyone tried to explain yet how the automatic-weapons ban is constitutional, yet an assault weapon ban would not be?
So I ask you, what makes an AR15 an assault weapon?
You might wanna do your homework before answering
Lord Help Us
February 1st, 2013
9:48 am
BTW, RB – please check the stock market today, the last year…Heck, the last 4 years and then tell us how great GWB was…
Granny Godzilla
February 1st, 2013
9:49 am
a step foward, good news.
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 1st, 2013
9:49 am
The tasks of trying to count fire ants in a disturbed bed , trying to count illegal immigrants in a giant country or trying to squeeze any meaningful ethic reforms out of a typical Georgia lawyer all have something in comman.
.
They’re not possible.
.
Make the payments/bribes/graft easily shown to the general public.
Vote accordingly.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 1st, 2013
9:49 am
Jay
February 1st, 2013
9:44 am
A course….IMO these should be in writing and signed off by all. Enforcement needs be included as well as penalties.
I know that these folks don’t get paid much, but the main benefit$ are the contacts that are made in the process to increase prospects of profitable post legislative employment…thats plenty enough…we would all like to believe they seek election for benevolent reasons…you know the ones posted on their billboards and such……that sounds silly eh?
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda
February 1st, 2013
9:49 am
In fairness, the latest minor changes in employment, growth and jobless claims are nothing of substance since all due to timing and transitional issues.
IOW — I can’t STAND the idea that Obama was right and all those snivelling cowards of the reich were wrong.
Anton Chigurh
February 1st, 2013
9:50 am
If the rule that you followed led you to this, of what use was the rule?
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
February 1st, 2013
9:51 am
Well, I don’t know about you but I don’t see this ban as good news. What it means is all these people will be asking for a pay increase and there goes our taxes up. I’d rather let the lobbyists
buypay these people than pay more in taxes. Maybe it’ll be OK if they make up the difference by furloughing more teachers or something like that. There’s always somebody we can squeeze a little more if we look hard enough.Anyhow, asking these legislaters to be honest is sorta like asking pigs to mind their manners and not eat too much. Right now there’s people down at the statehouse huddling up and figuring out a way around this ban. It’s what they do. Don’t try and tell me somebody that spends all that time at the Capitol is going to be pinching pennies and selling off their stocks and bonds to get by.
Have a good Friday everybody. Since I’m kinda in a hurry to get to Billy Bob’s after I check in my truck on Friday afternoon I thought I’d leave you with a favorite song of my mind. It’s by Roy Orbison and Emmylou “It’s only a few thousand bucks worth of damage so don’t expect me to stop” Harris and they won a Grammy for it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTUG1odiRXo
Erwin's cat
February 1st, 2013
9:51 am
the cat – Do David Ralston and Chris Christie have a wager on who weighs the most? Are they potential WW spokespeople?
bigot much?
getalife
February 1st, 2013
9:51 am
cons can’t cry about cuts then cry about unemployment.
You can’t have it both ways.
If you want better unemployment numbers, tell your party no cuts.
Granny Godzilla
February 1st, 2013
9:51 am
Looks like 14000 is possible today…..damn this lousy economy…..
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
9:53 am
Quite often I have heard that you can’t legislate morality
even in the legislature…or maybe they do reflect the morals
of society.
Erwin's cat
February 1st, 2013
9:55 am
GG – Looks like 14000 is possible today
it’s not uncharted territory
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 1st, 2013
9:55 am
Lord Help Us
February 1st, 2013
9:48 am
I’ve been thinking about the stock market….I think an argument could be made that it was, to an extent the stupid moves by Bush that resulted in run up. Nothing BO did has anything to do with it to any large degree. For a start, the valuations are big partly due to the amounts of cash on balance sheets….concern about poor returns domestically for many reasons and a shaky economy, keep many from putting money out there…especially the money we gave many of them.
The other big driver is the pending blow up of the bond market. Many folks who, for example, used interest payments from bonds for living expenses (retired et al), are moving bond investments to mutual funds er al as the returns on the bonds are crap.
Granny Godzilla
February 1st, 2013
9:56 am
today – 157,000 new jobs for the month of January
4 years ago today – 818,000 jobs lost
let that sink in.
Road Scholar
February 1st, 2013
9:56 am
Paul, Good morning! I have not been away; just tired of the same old tit for tat with no constructive comments. I’ve been in the shadows…..
I agree with you and Stands…. a large step in the right direction. Now it just needs to be tweaked and approved….and enforced! What are the penalties for violating this policy? Are the lists of gifts permissible to be published for all to see? Open and transparent?
Granny Godzilla
February 1st, 2013
9:56 am
Erwin’s cat
February 1st, 2013
9:55 am
GG – Looks like 14000 is possible today
it’s not uncharted territory
.
.
.
D’Uh.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 1st, 2013
9:57 am
Ergo, one could argue that Bush should be given credit for the run up…due to his and congress’ dumb decisions…
getalife
February 1st, 2013
9:57 am
The last time it hit 14,000, the economy collapsed.
Morality?
February 1st, 2013
9:58 am
When I first asked Jay if there was ANYTHING good he could say about the Repubs in Georgia since I had only heard negative attacks against them Jay was silent. So I asked again. Jay finally came up with three compliments (sort of)….. just like today’s headline “Encouraging & Worrisome” … Bless his heart, Jay just can’t bring himself to compliment anyone but the Obama left.
DannyX
February 1st, 2013
9:58 am
If Georgia Republicans were really serious about ethics reform they would add a section to the ethics bill that would eliminate the $150,000 a year GPB job/bribe Gov Deal gave Chip Rogers.
Jay
February 1st, 2013
9:59 am
“So I ask you, what makes an AR15 an assault weapon?
You might wanna do your homework before answering.”
No homework necessary, Mark. “Assault weapon” was originally military terminology for a lightweight, rapid-fire, high-capacity firearm designed for assaulting well-defended positions. That would be as opposed to, say, a .50 caliber machine gun, which because of its size, weight and ammo requirements is more of a defensive weapon.
Hope that helps.
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
10:00 am
What it means is all these people will be asking for a pay increase and there goes our taxes up. I’d rather let the lobbyists buy pay these people than pay more in taxes. Maybe it’ll be OK if they make up the difference by furloughing more teachers or something like that.
I so [heart] Redneck Convert, words fail.
td
February 1st, 2013
10:00 am
This is the reason that bans and “ethics” reform does not ever work. There are always loopholes and under the table going on. The best idea is pure sunshine and let the voters of the district decide what types of “gifts” is acceptable to them.
No bans, no limits, no ethics commission but total immediate detailed reporting from every lobbyist on a easily searchable website available to all the public. The voter is responsible to determine if the gifts received is acceptable and if not then they can vote their Representative out of office.
Doggone/GA
February 1st, 2013
10:00 am
Quite often I have heard that you can’t legislate morality even in the legislature”
No, you can’t. But you CAN define the punishments for being immoral
Lord Help Us
February 1st, 2013
10:00 am
‘I’ve been thinking about the stock market…’
As I do every. single. day.
A correction is due and the market is propped up BIG time by QE. However, as long as inflation stays in check, the long-term party will continue…
How many people back around the time Obama was first elected believed the right-wing media about the affect his policies would have on the economy and missed out on a HUGE run up (DOW 6600 to 14000)?
Most of them, I presume, know their sources are FOS and have recovered nicely from the Great Recession…
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
10:02 am
Since it’s already Off Topic Free For All (thank you, needy wingers! really, we couldn’t do this without you!) –
4 years ago today – 818,000 jobs lost
Which the usual suspects blame on Obama/NastyPelousy, of course.
td
February 1st, 2013
10:02 am
ay
February 1st, 2013
9:59 am
“So I ask you, what makes an AR15 an assault weapon?
You might wanna do your homework before answering.”
No homework necessary, Mark. “Assault weapon” was originally military terminology for a lightweight, rapid-fire, high-capacity firearm designed for assaulting well-defended positions. That would be as opposed to, say, a .50 caliber machine gun, which because of its size, weight and ammo requirements is more of a defensive weapon.
Hope that helps.
Under you broad definition then all semi automatic rifles and handguns are considered “Assault weapons”. Is this what you are really saying?
DannyX
February 1st, 2013
10:03 am
“When I first asked Jay if there was ANYTHING good he could say about the Repubs in Georgia since I had only heard negative attacks against them Jay was silent.”
Morality, for someone who claims everyday to be neither Republican or Democrat you sure seem to whine a lot when the poor Republicans are called out.
Jay
February 1st, 2013
10:04 am
LHU, I don’t think of the market every day, but I would agree with your assessment of the short-term prospects.
However, I do have to smile remembering those folks who tried to make a big deal of the 100-point drop the day after Obama’s RE-election, arguing it presaged the total collapse of capitalism or some such nonsense.
DannyX
February 1st, 2013
10:04 am
“Obama/NastyPelousy,”
Stands, you forgot Bwany Fwank!
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
10:07 am
you forgot Bwany Fwank!
I’m sure Hitlery’s Cankles played a role as well.
.
.
(and Poland!)
Jay
February 1st, 2013
10:07 am
No, td.
If there’s something that I really want to say, I can generally say it on my own. Thanks though.
mbtc
February 1st, 2013
10:08 am
Is there a provision to ban sweetheart jobs for family members?
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
10:09 am
Under you broad definition then all semi automatic rifles and handguns are considered “Assault weapons”.
deer rifles |= lightweight, rapid-fire, high-capacity
concussive effects of time spent at the range without protection, is it?
Lord Help Us
February 1st, 2013
10:10 am
Speak of the devil…Dow tops 14,000.
Erwin's cat
February 1st, 2013
10:10 am
(and Poland!)
we’ll always have Warszawa
Jay
February 1st, 2013
10:11 am
Also, sfd, I’m not sure I’d want to assault a well-defended infantry position armed with a handgun, even a semi-auto.
td must be made of sterner stuff.
DannyX
February 1st, 2013
10:11 am
“Speak of the devil…Dow tops 14,000.”
First time since 2007.
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
10:12 am
we’ll always have Warszawa
Little early for the music, but…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gy94N_mcWs
(crank it UP and DANCE baby DANCE!)
Morality?
February 1st, 2013
10:13 am
Indigo 9:03 – “IQ in double Digits” ,,,,, IQ CHART:: Rocket Scientist > Brain Surgeon > Stock Market Guru > Computer Genius > Chemical Engineer > CPA > Auto Mechanic > Chef > Nurse > Plumber > Pest Exterminator > Lawyer not in politics > Gardener > Maid > Prison Guard >>>> Congress >>>> Brain DEAD ZOMBIES for OBAMA that keep reelecting Congress >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TAX PAYER
Lord Help Us
February 1st, 2013
10:13 am
‘However, I do have to smile remembering those folks who tried to make a big deal of the 100-point drop the day after Obama’s RE-election, arguing it presaged the total collapse of capitalism or some such nonsense.’
Some of those same people said that when Bill Clinton was elected the deficit would crater and the economy would tank…they make me laugh since I know that most of their money does not follow their mouths…
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
10:13 am
I’m not sure I’d want to assault a well-defended infantry position armed with a handgun, even a semi-auto.
Perhaps he was thinking of those military scenarios that call for neutralizing large numbers of hostile moviegoers.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 1st, 2013
10:18 am
Jay
February 1st, 2013
9:59 am
Why on earth do gun lovers want to get into the semantics of the definition of an assault gun….anything that can kill a slew of humans in seconds, regardless of what it is called, needs banning…
I have a new term for these weapons….”ass weapons”..
RB from Gwinnett
February 1st, 2013
10:18 am
LHU, “BTW, RB – please check the stock market today, the last year…Heck, the last 4 years and then tell us how great GWB was…”
We know, LHU, you only want to look at the last 2 years of W’s presidency because that’s the part that makes Oblame-a look better by comparison. That’s cute little game played by children whose thoughts are as deep as a bumper sticker is thick and if that’s all you’ve got, maybe the Nickelodeon blog would be more your speed.
When Obama gets to the 6 years of prosperity we enjoyed under Bush, give us a call, but he’ 0-4 so far and no. 5 ain’t looking all that bright so far.
BTW, you do know you can put that water down if it gets too heavy, right?
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
February 1st, 2013
10:18 am
“Perhaps he was thinking of those military scenarios that call for neutralizing large numbers of hostile moviegoers.”
…and perhaps he wasn’t thinking at all…jus’ guessin’
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
10:18 am
!4000 is a good time to jump in the stock market just
like a large jackpot is a good time to buy a lottery ticket.
td
February 1st, 2013
10:19 am
Jay
February 1st, 2013
10:07 am
No, td.
If there’s something that I really want to say, I can generally say it on my own. Thanks though.
” lightweight, rapid-fire, high-capacity firearm designed for assaulting well-defended positions”
My semi auto 30.06 (used by a great deal of hunters) with a 20 round clip would fit the definition you provided in a court of law. Is it a assault weapon? Most if not all Semi auto pistols (Like the Glock 9mm) would fit the definition in a court.
The definition is way to vague to be considered a legitimate definition of an “Assault weapon”.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 1st, 2013
10:20 am
Obama has nothing to do with run up…dumb decisions under Bush regime and congress seem to me to be most material drivers of run ups…
C’mon, give Bush some credit.
td
February 1st, 2013
10:21 am
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am…
February 1st, 2013
10:18 am
Jay
February 1st, 2013
9:59 am
Why on earth do gun lovers want to get into the semantics of the definition of an assault gun….anything that can kill a slew of humans in seconds, regardless of what it is called, needs banning…
I have a new term for these weapons….”ass weapons”
So in other words you want to ban any and all semi automatic rifles and pistols.
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
10:21 am
stevie ray
I have a new term for these weapons….”ass weapons”..
………………………………………………..
I would name them for cheney…
Lord Help Us
February 1st, 2013
10:21 am
‘We know, LHU, you only want to look at the last 2 years of W’s presidency because that’s the part that makes Oblame-a look better by comparison. ‘
Yea, cuz the first few years when he turned surpluses into deficits, got us into Iraq, mismanaged Afghanistan, pushed a huge new entitlement through were so cool…
Morality?
February 1st, 2013
10:21 am
X – 10:03 …… I was just pointing out Jay’s complete bias against anyone but the one’s to the LEFT of COMMON SENSE . I will leave the whining, hating and gnashing of teeth to you on the far left.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 1st, 2013
10:22 am
td
February 1st, 2013
10:19 am
What do you hunt that you need to get off 20 rounds in a matter of seconds? Perhaps you are trying to take down an entire flock of ducks at once?
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda
February 1st, 2013
10:22 am
Crap! Here’s the picture that was supposed to go with the link Stevie Wonder. Sorry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laxyoaHOP1c
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
10:22 am
Why on earth do gun lovers want to get into the semantics of the definition of an assault gun…
I was going to link to the Urban Dictionary’s take on “Deflecturbation” but, astonishingly, not only is it not there, all of the Googly links are to… Jay’s joint.
Think we oughta register that sucker before some entrepreneur steals it from us?
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
10:23 am
td
So in other words you want to ban any and all semi automatic rifles and pistols.
………………………………………….
and shotguns…
DannyX
February 1st, 2013
10:23 am
“We know, LHU, you only want to look at the last 2 years of W’s presidency because that’s the part that makes Oblame-a look better by comparison.”
Exactly rb, good point. The Titanic also gets a bad rap. Up until that iceberg the voyage was a complete success. The first 99.999% of the trip was excellent.
Erwin's cat
February 1st, 2013
10:23 am
What do you hunt that you need to get off 20 rounds in a matter of seconds?
sometimes the predator becomes the prey
Joe Hussein Mama
February 1st, 2013
10:24 am
Ethics — FWIW, I think Ralston’s proposal is a good start. It’s got problems, to be sure, but there’s nothing so intractable in there that it couldn’t be ironed out. Fingers crossed that they do just that.
Assault Weps — I’ve intentionally remained silent on this, but IMO the only way there will ever be a definition for assault weapons will be for our lawmakers to agree on one (perhaps an set of characteristics, and possessing a minimum number of those characteristics legally makes something an assault weapon), and I’m not hopeful of that.
td is right in that you could assault a fixed infantry position with a sidearm (pistol or revolver) or a shotgun; it wouldn’t be smart, but you *could* do it.
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
10:25 am
My semi auto 30.06 (used by a great deal of hunters) with a 20 round clip would fit the definition you provided in a court of law.
Ok, I will ask. How often do you find yourself sitting in a frickin’ tree stand, running off 20 rounds at whatever you lured into your corn feed?
What kind of a jackass would even contemplate doing that?
(mind you, I’ve never hunted such critters–a double barrel was generally all I’d need for foul. but still…)
td
February 1st, 2013
10:25 am
Jay
February 1st, 2013
10:11 am
Also, sfd, I’m not sure I’d want to assault a well-defended infantry position armed with a handgun, even a semi-auto.
td must be made of sterner stuff.
In close quarters combat situations (like urban warfare) a pistol can be more lethal and a way better choice of weapon then a m-16.
Doggone/GA
February 1st, 2013
10:26 am
“14000 is a good time to jump in the stock market just
like a large jackpot is a good time to buy a lottery ticket.”
bad analogy. The odds of winning the lottery never change, regardless of the size of the payout. On the other hand, intellignet investors can take advantage of either ups OR downs in the stock market.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 1st, 2013
10:27 am
td
February 1st, 2013
10:21 am
That is not remotely practical. There are 310,000,000 guns in circulation so to say the least, the paste is out of the tube. I’m not a gun person but I will never understand the value of the need for 20 rounds in a sportsmans rifle…you can’t take them away and they won’t likely be taken away or limited. In fact, I fail to see how these knee jerk, intuitive legislative efforts on the table make a single kid safer from bad guy entering school..
Joe Hussein Mama
February 1st, 2013
10:27 am
td — “In close quarters combat situations (like urban warfare) a pistol can be more lethal and a way better choice of weapon then a m-16.”
Indeed. In close quarters, it’s a lot easier to swing that pistol around than any long-barrelled weapon.
Erwin's cat
February 1st, 2013
10:28 am
it wouldn’t be smart, but you *could* do it.
akin to shooting a grizzle with almost any caliber…chances are you’re just gonna p!ss him off
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
February 1st, 2013
10:29 am
Bomb exploded at US Embassy in Turkey. Another bad movie, we suppose.
alex
February 1st, 2013
10:29 am
@ LHU, and I suspect you were 1 of about 5 people who predicted the great recession? sheesh, come on , Unless, you’ve got some inside information and deep pockets , you best stay in an index fund and leave it here for YEARS, read naything by Bogle, read Sil;vers book, read Makiel (sp), don’t pontificate on this blog, read some one who knows this stuff, we as rank amatuers can’t read charts (and they sre rarely helpful anyway). DannyX, watching the daily stockmarket and acying on it is fool’s gold,how many of you know what makes up the DOW?….precisely……..Now, if you have some loose cash, i’ve got some condos in Boca……
Morality?
February 1st, 2013
10:30 am
53% …….. the % of the tax total burden that is considered fair for the top 2%. Obama is not like you – he is in the evil 1%. Obama’s got 4 mansions in 4 different states equipped with gardeners and maids. Even though Obama isn’t like you he likes to take AIR FORCE I on a spin every now and then so he can go slumming with the common folk,
Granny Godzilla
February 1st, 2013
10:30 am
as opposed to suburban warfare…..”The Battle for the Upfront Publix Parking Spot”
Oh the humanity
Jay
February 1st, 2013
10:31 am
” I will leave the whining, hating and gnashing of teeth to you on the far left.”
The lack of self-knowledge by certain posters is downright funny.
td
February 1st, 2013
10:31 am
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
10:25 am
I do not use the 20 round clip while hunting but I do have a few of them for self defense purposes.
I made the statement because almost any and all Semi-auto hunting rifles have the capacity to accept very large clips and the 30.06 round is really more lethal then the .223 round used in the AR-15 if both rounds are using the same bullet type.
Road Scholar
February 1st, 2013
10:31 am
td and Stevie Ray: You better look out for Bambo! (Thank you John Stewart!)
Erwin: “sometimes the predator becomes the prey”
Sometimes the predator who cannot hit what they aim at becomes the prey. There, I fixed it for you. Besides you can’t trust a rapid squirrel or rabbit!
Joe Hussein Mama
February 1st, 2013
10:32 am
E. Cat — “akin to shooting a grizzle with almost any caliber…chances are you’re just gonna p!ss him off”
I refer the interested reader to the WWI tale of Corporal Alvin York. Medal of Honor recipient.
During the assault, six German soldiers in a trench near York charged him with fixed bayonets. York had fired all the rounds in his M1917 Enfield rifle, but drew his .45 Colt automatic pistol and shot all six soldiers before they could reach him.
German First Lieutenant Paul Jürgen Vollmer, commander of the First Battalion, 120th Landwehr Infantry, emptied his pistol trying to kill York while he was contending with the machine guns. Failing to injure York, and seeing his mounting losses, he offered in English to surrender the unit to York, who accepted. By the end of the engagement, York and his seven men marched 132 German prisoners back to the American lines. His actions silenced the German machine guns and were responsible for enabling the 328th Infantry to renew its attack to capture the Decauville Railroad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_York#World_War_I
Then again, York’s certainly the exception.
Erwin's cat
February 1st, 2013
10:33 am
Besides you can’t trust a rapid squirrel or rabbit!
but…look at the FANGS!
Lord Help Us
February 1st, 2013
10:33 am
‘@ LHU, and I suspect you were 1 of about 5 people who predicted the great recession?’
You are correct. However, my investing philosophy is simple…buy great companies and hold onto them forever…
Class of '98
February 1st, 2013
10:34 am
Hey Jay, David Brooks wrote a column yesterday calling for more relaxed immigration laws for low-skilled, un-educated migrants from the third-world. As usual, this man simply never strays from mainstream conservative thought.
You must have missed it because you didn’t copy and paste it in it’s entirety in your blog.
alex
February 1st, 2013
10:35 am
@ Doggone, fools gold, only insider with deep pockets should jump around the market with transaction costs and taxes, etc..(your 403b is good for covered calls, though), be a bogle head, Invest in index and forget….
indigo
February 1st, 2013
10:35 am
In other words, this “ethics” bill has loopholes big enough to drive an 18 wheeler thru.
This is exactly what you would expect from The Georgia Legislature.
After all, we have the best Legislature money can buy.
Erwin's cat
February 1st, 2013
10:36 am
Then again, York’s certainly the exception.
saw the Jimmy Stewart movie ages ago
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 1st, 2013
10:36 am
DebbieDoRight – Minister Of Propaganda
February 1st, 2013
9:49 am
You were in such a hurry to defend your hero so to miss the point of my post. Nobody should read these developments with negativity. Most economist including the feds suggest no worries since these are typical changes at this time of year as seasonal employees are turned loose and the other issue is that the gains were taken early so this is a predictable outcome at this time.
I still see any suggestion that our government can have a material impact on the economy as minimal. Too bad too much credit is given the the presiding WH dope…things happen under one’s watch that have no direct connection with particular WH dope. For example, BO never would have the opportunity to take the advice of his advisors to take out BL if it werent’ for the increased funding in ME intelligence network which was trashed by congress under Clinton…
Joe Hussein Mama
February 1st, 2013
10:39 am
E. Cat — “saw the Jimmy Stewart movie ages ago”
???
Don’t know that one. Perhaps you mean the Gary Cooper film?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergeant_York
alex
February 1st, 2013
10:40 am
Jay “lack of self knowledge by certain posters….” so right Jay and your a PRIME example of lack of knowledge of your own bias..We agree…now read the book again …you crack me up….
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 1st, 2013
10:40 am
td
February 1st, 2013
10:31 am
Self defense? Who exactly is out to get you? Suggest you keep the outside lights on…this is more effective than any theft prevention technique under the sun. Do you post signs outside your home that you possess the capability to wipe out an entire motorcycle gang? Or would you rather wait until they get inside to blow them away?
Why do you feel the need for such self defense and others like me don’t?
Look before I leap...
February 1st, 2013
10:41 am
Ethics reform is window dressing.
And in my more Pollyanna moments, it annoys me to no end that it is even necessary.
If politicians worked as hard to serve their constituencies as they do to line their pockets, this really would be a better country.
That said, lobbyists do perform a useful function – bringing ideas and issues to the attention of our legislators so I am not against the occasional meeting over dinner. But the efforts of lobbyists are rarely without the motive for financial gain. They simply should not be empowered to buy legislation that is beneficial to them, yet screws over John Q. Public.
Put a cap on the largesse, make it completely mandatory and transparent, and make the penalties for abuser swift and harsh (open censureship, removal from committees and chair posts). In other words, make the consequences so distasteful that even the thought of sticking your hand in the cookie jar is scary.
Morality?
February 1st, 2013
10:42 am
“Why do you need anything that shoots 20 rounds?” My in laws might come over…. or the neighbors may want to borrow my lawn mower AGAIN. Who knows when WWIII may start? Violent home invaders on meth. Street gangs seeking revenge. Jehovah’s Witnesses won’t leave when you politely ask them too. Door to door salesmen, Aggravating census takers. Vampires, zombies, etc. etc. etc. Did you need more reasons?
Erwin's cat
February 1st, 2013
10:42 am
Cooper is correct..
Jay
February 1st, 2013
10:45 am
Brooks was endorsing increased LEGAL immigration, Class. Supposedly, conservatives are only opposed to ILLEGAL immigration. Supposedly, they don’t have a problem if it’s done within the law, correct?
Or do conservatives now oppose immigration in general, to keep “those people” out? Is that what you’re saying?
skipper
February 1st, 2013
10:46 am
Morality,
As one said before. “What do I do now?”
Leave out the Jehovah’s Witnessess……you can just invite them in. They will not know what to do, since that never happens!!!!!!
indigo
February 1st, 2013
10:47 am
td – 10:31
I hope you live out in the country far away from any other houses.
Otherwise, is you unload 20 rounds in your house shooting at the bad guys, you’ll probably kill them AND your next door neighbors.
indigo
February 1st, 2013
10:48 am
Morality – 10:30
Another mindless comment.
Well, at least you’re consistent.
Jay
February 1st, 2013
10:49 am
Morality, you left out “stranger accidentally pulling into my driveway”.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 1st, 2013
10:50 am
JAY
Which should come first, increased border security or whatever “amnesty” like provision? IMO, if you do the latter first, the former will never happen…similar to Reagans outcome.
Morality?
February 1st, 2013
10:50 am
10:03 – “Buy & Hold”……. famous last words. Anyone investing in THIS market needs stop losses in place and a target price to sell. Just yesterday a friend said ” I bought America Online and still have it. GOT TO HAVE A PLAN TO SELL riding a stock all the way up and back down is for losers. GTD.
Lord Help Us
February 1st, 2013
10:51 am
‘Morality, you left out “stranger accidentally pulling into my driveway”.’
How about, ‘kid walking back from store while kullurred.’
DownInAlbany
February 1st, 2013
10:51 am
Erwin’s cat
February 1st, 2013
10:36 am
Then again, York’s certainly the exception.
saw the Jimmy Stewart movie ages ago
Gary Cooper
alex
February 1st, 2013
10:52 am
@ Look, agree with your comments, but look at abrahoff(?) a lot of damage can be done before they are caught..
Erwin's cat
February 1st, 2013
10:53 am
Morality, you left out “stranger accidentally pulling into my driveway”.’
How about, ‘kid walking back from store while kullurred.’
hmmm….so now we’ve gone beyond assault rifles…who would have predicted that?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 1st, 2013
10:53 am
C’mon Jay..don’t you realize that at times, it is simply necessary to put a cap in anothers head? What did that guy use? A vintage tommy gun? I understand a missle lauching tube was surrendered in California as part of a cash for guns thingy..stinger missles I think…
Thats what I call perimeter security…drones? no worries.
getalife
February 1st, 2013
10:53 am
Throwing more billions away to secure the border more is extreme waste.
Look at the facts.
Illegal crossings are way down.
Deportations are way up.
Citizen of the World
February 1st, 2013
10:54 am
I see the discussion has already gone from long-overdue ethics reform to long-overdue gun control reform. There are a lot of areas that need reforming, and the main thing that keeps this from happening is the corrupting influence that money has on our politics. Bring on ethics reform and campaign finance reform!
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
10:54 am
Undocumented aliens comprise a population easily exploitable
by unscrupulous businesses and individuals. Good for the
economy just like the drug trade.
Redcoat
February 1st, 2013
10:56 am
No gifts, nothing of value allowed. Stick to business read and listen to any and all on issues……make a decision……push term limits.
meanwhile…….Arm security saves the day at Atlanta middle school.
RB from Gwinnett
February 1st, 2013
10:56 am
LHU, “Yea, cuz the first few years when he turned surpluses into deficits, got us into Iraq, mismanaged Afghanistan, pushed a huge new entitlement through were so cool…”
Oh, I thought we were talking about the economy. So, now you want to ignore the economy (because it doesn’t make Obama look good) and talk about other stuff. So would you like to talk about Gitmo still being open, the mess the middle east continues to be even though Obama promised to fix it all, Benghazi and a few dead Americans and the Youtube video lie, troops being sent into Libya without congressional approval, and we could go on…
And just so you don’t think we’re ignoring Bush’s spending habits, we’re not happy about it either. He spent like a drunken democrat.
Morality?
February 1st, 2013
10:56 am
Indigo – My comments are only consistently mindless to those that are incapable of comprehended the complex.
getalife
February 1st, 2013
10:58 am
“And just so you don’t think we’re ignoring Bush’s spending habits, we’re not happy about it either. He spent like a drunken democrat.”
And you cheered him on so you have zero credibility.
td
February 1st, 2013
10:58 am
indigo
February 1st, 2013
10:47 am
td – 10:31
I hope you live out in the country far away from any other houses.
Otherwise, is you unload 20 rounds in your house shooting at the bad guys, you’ll probably kill them AND your next door neighbors.
The 20 round clips are in case we have riots or a natural disaster or WW3 and people are coming from outside. If someone breaks into my house then the 12 gauge Semi auto with 00 buck will be waiting for them and if that does not work then 44 mag comes out.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 1st, 2013
10:59 am
getalife
February 1st, 2013
10:53 am
Has much to do with existing border security as much as down jobs market here..imagine if amnesty is provided first how that incentive will encourage more illegals, despite labor market…
We will simply have another million(s) of illegals in no time. I’m all for amnesty with subjectivities of course, but we need to better control the border…also, deporting any illegals in prisons (a cost of 50K per year) back to where they came from is another good disincentive.
Morality?
February 1st, 2013
10:59 am
Jay 10:49 – I don’t get strangers in my driveway – must be the “enter at your own risk signs” and “beware the dog”.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 1st, 2013
10:59 am
Jay:
On this one we can agree.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 1st, 2013
11:00 am
RB from Gwinnett
February 1st, 2013
10:56 am
Lest ye forget the promises to bring criminal actions against wall streeters and telecom operators…he took the money instead.
getalife
February 1st, 2013
11:00 am
SR,
There is no amnesty if you listen to our President which cons never do..
They get to the back of the line after paying fines and taxes.
Morality?
February 1st, 2013
11:02 am
Jay – 10:59 – If it’s not the signs it could be the moat full of crocs and the draw bridge that makes strangers shy away.
appleseed
February 1st, 2013
11:02 am
I just hope Obama never gets to the lives lost under Bush.Prosperity measured in lives,injuries,falsification.
Lord Help Us
February 1st, 2013
11:02 am
‘Oh, I thought we were talking about the economy.’
Yes, we were. Bush’s tax cuts, coupled with a couple trillion dollars of wasted military spending in Iraq and Afghanistan and a huge new entitlement program turned huge surpluses into deficits. Once the Great Recession hit (six years into Bush’s admin) he left Obama with Trillion dollar deficits…remember?
‘He spent like a drunken democrat.’
Did you vote twice for a drunken democrat? For shame…
DannyX
February 1st, 2013
11:03 am
“And just so you don’t think we’re ignoring Bush’s spending habits, we’re not happy about it either. He spent like a drunken democrat.”
rb, Getalife is right. You cheered and defended every Bush move right here on this blog. You were one of his biggest defenders.
Jay
February 1st, 2013
11:03 am
We already have increased border security, Stevie Ray. We’ve got more than twice as many Border Patrol agents on duty as we did in 2004. Deportations set all-time highs every year. We now have more than 80,000 people in federal immigration enforcement.
“Increased border security” is an ever-shifting goal post, because no matter how much you increase it, you can increase it more.
td
February 1st, 2013
11:03 am
Morality?
February 1st, 2013
10:42 am
“Why do you need anything that shoots 20 rounds?” My in laws might come over…. or the neighbors may want to borrow my lawn mower AGAIN. Who knows when WWIII may start? Violent home invaders on meth. Street gangs seeking revenge. Jehovah’s Witnesses won’t leave when you politely ask them too. Door to door salesmen, Aggravating census takers. Vampires, zombies, etc. etc. etc. Did you need more reasons?
Here is the best reason: It is none of anyones business because it is a Constitutionally protected individual right.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 1st, 2013
11:03 am
Stevie is clueless as to what is currently happening on the border or how much we are spending. My suggestion would be to review the prior thread get information instead of repeating the same tired arguments previously disproven. Tell us how much more you want to spend to hit the 100% secure border. Exact numbers please.
getalife
February 1st, 2013
11:04 am
“Did you vote twice for a drunken democrat? For shame…”
He did like the other cons.
We needed a tea party for w.
Morality?
February 1st, 2013
11:06 am
getalife – “They get at the back of the line after they pay taxes and fines”. Like I said “immigration reform” is all about politicians getting themselves reelected and the Fed gub’ment scratching for every dime they can bleed from these poor immigrants.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 1st, 2013
11:07 am
The shooter from Price Middle should be punished severely….like putting his parents behind bars if it was their unsecured gun..that will get attention across the country..
Look before I leap...
February 1st, 2013
11:07 am
Funny how this thread got hijacked within minutes.
The cons seem much more interested in talking about guns and immigration than ethics.
I find that interesting and a bit sad.
appleseed
February 1st, 2013
11:08 am
what happend to the #8 buck???????
getalife
February 1st, 2013
11:09 am
no morals,
For the gop, it is to try to get some of the Latino votes.
For the Dems, it has always been a goal.
For our President, it is payback for the Latino votes that helped him win twice.
mm
February 1st, 2013
11:09 am
It’s pretty telling that these bozos need a “plan” for ethics.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 1st, 2013
11:09 am
I don’t get strangers in my driveway – must be the “enter at your own risk signs” and “beware the dog”.
Deflection. Do you believe that a homeowner has the right to kill a stranger who pulls into their driveway by mistakes? Or knocks at the wrong door by mistake?
Living With Open Eyes
February 1st, 2013
11:09 am
1)The stock market rose because big business has put the fix in for an unlimited cheap labor supply with their good old boy lobbyists in dc.
2)Lobbyists should be prohibited from any contact with legislators anywhere except on the floor of the legislative branch, during session, and on open public record. To accept any other interactions only encourages corruption.
Look before I leap...
February 1st, 2013
11:10 am
“rb, Getalife is right. You cheered and defended every Bush move right here on this blog. You were one of his biggest defenders”
Well that certainly explains RB’s chronic bitterness. And here I thought it was due to being constipated.
getalife
February 1st, 2013
11:12 am
cons never cared about ethics or campaign reform.
They slobber on the wealthy that do not need their help.
Morality?
February 1st, 2013
11:12 am
Got to go now so HAVE A GOOD DAY! That means everyone as I do discriminate against anyone regardless of race, sex, age, handicap, sexual orientation, intelligence or criminal back ground. (smiley face patent applied for).
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 1st, 2013
11:12 am
Jay
February 1st, 2013
11:03 am
Those are good indicators for sure but despite these efforts, do we know how many illegals actually got past the increased border security?
I don’t disagree with you but I worry that we will simply be in the same position in no small amount of time if we provide more incentive…everybody knows this makes illegal immigration more attractive…and profitable.
Jay
February 1st, 2013
11:13 am
“And just so you don’t think we’re ignoring Bush’s spending habits, we’re not happy about it either. He spent like a drunken democrat.
This always amuses me. It completely ignores the fact that during most of his presidency, Bush also had both a Republican House and a Republican Senate, where people such as McConnell, Boehner, Ryan and others were voting in support of the big spending supposedly perpetrated by this Bush fellow alone.
kayaker 71
February 1st, 2013
11:14 am
Funny email yesterday…… Bozo and Bozoette walking down some street in DC at the Inauguration Ceremony surrounded by a gazillion SS agents, each no doubt with a weapon….. caption at the bottom….quote courtesy of Bozo…..”You don’t need a gun to protect yourself”.
DownInAlbany
February 1st, 2013
11:15 am
Topics crossed off Jay’s list of possble subjects:
IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family
Stall: Unemployment Ticks Up to 7.9%
Menendez Prostitution Scandal: Donor Melgen’s Political Contributions Exploded After IRS Filed Tax Lien
Dominican Flights Cost Menendez Up to 18 Percent of Net Worth
Hagel: Iran Has ‘Legitimate’ Gov, I Mean ‘Recognizable’
8.5 Million Americans Left Labor Force In Obama’s First Term
Newtown Calls for Armed School Officers
MSNBC Airs Sandy Hook Father’s Unedited Testimony After Critics Complain
CNN: Senators ‘Shocked’ at How Ill-Prepared Hagel Is
getalife
February 1st, 2013
11:16 am
Yes, if you really want to see outrageous spending every single day, go back and look at w’s rubber stamp congress.
I don’t think our President’s rubber stamp congress after 14 will even come close to that outrageous waste of your money.
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
11:17 am
surrounded by a gazillion SS agents, each no doubt with a weapon….. caption at the bottom
Seriously, how much glue does one have to sniff to find something like that^^ anything but pitiful and sad?
It reminds me of Scout’s stupid “BUMPER STICKER!!” posts. I really wonder how these overgrown children function.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 1st, 2013
11:17 am
That’s some ego K71. You truly believe that you are as big of an assassination target as the President?
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
11:17 am
I am glad that td cleared it up for us that the 20 round clip was for huntin’ kuhllurds, and not deer.
Granny Godzilla
February 1st, 2013
11:18 am
100% secure border?
and some say there are no dreamers left in our nation.
Lord Help Us
February 1st, 2013
11:18 am
‘Funny email yesterday……’
Did you get the one about the vote fraud where 100+ voters voted in some precincts? Or, the one about 79% of GM business coming from the US gov’t?
kayaker 71
February 1st, 2013
11:18 am
Down in Albany, 11:15,
You might add a growth rate of point one percent, the most abysmal growth that this country has seen in half a century.
Lord Help Us
February 1st, 2013
11:19 am
‘ the most abysmal growth that this country has seen in half a century.’
That one is a hoot…
Jay
February 1st, 2013
11:19 am
“Here is the best reason: It is none of anyones business because it is a Constitutionally protected individual right.
No, td, it is NOT a constitutionally protected right to possess a 20-round magazine. Or an assault weapon, for that matter.
California, for example, bans magazines of more than 10 rounds. It also bans assault weapons. Those restrictions have been on the books, and enforced, for decades now. If those laws were unconstitutional, they would have been challenged and overturned by now.
They have not.
getalife
February 1st, 2013
11:20 am
kay,
Show me great growth after a collapse.
kayaker 71
February 1st, 2013
11:20 am
Keep, 11:17,
It only takes one animal crashing through your front door and the odds are even.
Granny Godzilla
February 1st, 2013
11:20 am
k71 an assassination target?
can a man be “taken out” with a tossed banana cream pie?
DownInAlbany
February 1st, 2013
11:23 am
Jay
February 1st, 2013
11:19 am
How often does something legal to own / possess today, become illegal tomorrow?
Erwin's cat
February 1st, 2013
11:23 am
California, for example, bans magazines of more than 10 rounds. It also bans assault weapons. Those restrictions have been on the books, and enforced, for decades now.
and yet still has the 4th highest murder by gun rate per capita in the nation…it may be constitutional, but it ain’t effective
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 1st, 2013
11:23 am
Really K71? So you are afraid of a squirrel? How many people holding your job have been assassinated? Please do tell us why you deserve a Secret Service team. I did not hear you complain once when the GOP candidates received SS protection.
kayaker 71
February 1st, 2013
11:24 am
The interpretation of what the second Amendment says regarding magazines, types of weapons, who can own what….. none of that was specified in the second amendment. All of these ‘interpretations” have been made by some person with an opinion….. and that is sort of like the other thing we all have in common.
Morality?
February 1st, 2013
11:24 am
11:09 Payback, kickback, payoff – and I guess he is “our” Prez (unfortunately). Yes the Repubs will go along to get reelected – but it won’t be by my vote. The Dems are out to “payback” those that voted for them and Obama and “contributed” (kickbacks,payoffs, etc) to their coffers. They won’t get my vote either. I am tired of these long term at the Fed gub’ment trough PARTY LOYALIST politicians that put PARTY before the FISCAL future of the USA. Do we need immigration reform. YES. Will it be observed? Are the CURRENT immigration regulations being observed by Obama? NO. Same old same on from the backboneless politicians. TERM LIMITS for Congress.
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
11:24 am
kayaker71
I sincerely hope you are not spending your golden years
crouched in your home surrounded by weapons awaiting
some animal to crash through your door.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 1st, 2013
11:24 am
Living With Open Eyes
February 1st, 2013
11:09 am
“unlimited cheap labor” is a minute, arguable irrelevant issue at hand. Technology and our evolution to a service based economy are the major culprits..Oh yeah, the need to compete globally is no small issue either..
The last I saw, in 2001 to 2011, we lost 2.7 million jobs overseas…about 80% were manufacturing. We have 12.3 million currently our of work…I don’t think that includes those giving up, so over a decade we lost on average 270K jobs per annum. Additionally, do you realize that high tech companies started doing this in the mid 80’s? Check and see how many Apple, Seagate, HP, Intel, Dell and the likes employ or outsource overseas..the libs get all dramatic but this really isn’t the real reason behind unemployment levels..
Due to technology, need to compete globally, and move to serice economy…this is inevitable but gets all the play from left due to allegiance to an ever shrinking union population.
dbm
February 1st, 2013
11:24 am
Jay
February 1st, 2013
9:59 am
In a past thread you seemed to imply a different definition. As I understand you from that thread, an assault weapon is a weapon that looks and acts enough like a military weapon to play into the deadly fantasies of potential mass shooters. This is why it is appropriate to include cosmetic features in the legal definition. Can you clarify?
Granny Godzilla
February 1st, 2013
11:25 am
Good News
Dems say the got 60 votes on VAWA…..
Thanks to the thoughtful Republicans who are standing up for what’s right,
kayaker 71
February 1st, 2013
11:25 am
Keep, 11:23,
I do not want nor do I need a SS team to protect me and my family. My 12ga will do just fine. Just leave it alone.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 1st, 2013
11:26 am
I see that CHU is leaving his post as energy secretary.
I’m laying less than even odds he goes directly to green fund or green lobbying firm…they owe him no small amount of favor…
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 1st, 2013
11:27 am
Senator Rivera?
With that mustache? Of course, the Senate would be a great place for him to utilize all that experience obtained while hunting for Capone’s lost treasure?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 1st, 2013
11:28 am
I see K71. So you are not an assassination target. So your little failed joke has nothing to do with reality. You can admit that now right?
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
11:28 am
and yet still has the 4th highest murder by gun rate per capita in the nation…it may be constitutional, but it ain’t effective
A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. Last I checked, we weren’t patting down people as they cross state borders.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 1st, 2013
11:29 am
If you NEED a 12 gau to protect you and your family, maybe you aren’t quite living the good life??
Maybe start socializing with a better group of people? Maybe move to a better part of town?
Morality?
February 1st, 2013
11:30 am
11:09 – Alright already – Just for YOU – no I don’t condone shooting someone that accidentally enters my driveway or knocks on my door. No “deflection” was intended.
getalife
February 1st, 2013
11:30 am
That is good news Mrs. G.
Finally.
rivera is proof our country is out of leaders.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 1st, 2013
11:31 am
Jay, Randy Travis was caught with a breathalizer reading 2x legal limit. Do we get another one of his songs today?
At least he wasn’t in a ditch…..naked….again.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 1st, 2013
11:32 am
FINN
I don’t own and never will own a gun. I’m getting the idea that by not doing so, I’m less at risk from needing weaponry for self defense as it seems that those with guns seem to have the highest risk..at least you can deduce that from all the comments here.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 1st, 2013
11:32 am
Living with the shades pulled and a shotgun always at the ready (maybe a pistol under your pillow) doesn’t sound like much of a way to live.
But your mileage may vary.
Marty Huggins'
February 1st, 2013
11:33 am
Does anyone think that outlawing semi-automatic weapons or even ones with a pistol grip will eliminate the use of these particular weapons or in any way lower the chance one will be used in a crime or mass shooting?
Pot is illegal, cocaine is too, “Molly” not really legal these days either, pretty sure meth and heroine are still criminal to have or sell.
These are all substances you could get at any large high school (public or private) and even easier on any college campus.
I am willing to wager many of those gunned down in good ole Chi-town were done so by those not following the state and/or city’s laws.
So being that removing the weapons does not give a higher level of security,
Then why so much effort to get these weapons banned?
Morality?
February 1st, 2013
11:33 am
Got to go prepare my taxes or Obama’s gub’ment will “be in contact”! Time for my annual contribution to the gub’ment bottomless pit.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 1st, 2013
11:33 am
Thanks Morality. Glad to see you don’t defend that kind of stupidity.
RB from Gwinnett
February 1st, 2013
11:33 am
“This always amuses me. It completely ignores the fact that during most of his presidency, Bush also had both a Republican House and a Republican Senate, where people such as McConnell, Boehner, Ryan and others were voting in support of the big spending supposedly perpetrated by this Bush fellow alone.”
What’s amusing is no matter how many times we try to tell the perpetually thick headed among you, Bush AND THE CONGRESS DURING HIS TERM were responsible for creating the Tea Party because they would not control their spending habits. Why you people refuse to get that through your heads I just don’t get.
And if you can find evidence of me supporting Bush’s spending habits, go for it. And, yes, I did vote for him the second time too but if you expected me to vote for Kerry instead, you would be kidding yourself. We had a choice between a big spending Republican or a bigger spending Democrat.
Erwin's cat
February 1st, 2013
11:34 am
A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. Last I checked, we weren’t patting down people as they cross state borders
then I guess the “ban” is not enforced as Jay indicated….seriously going after assault rifles is not a fat rabbit..fact it’s pretty skinny…something like 3% or less of all gun homicide is committed with a rifle…feel good legislation is all it is
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
11:34 am
The assault weapons ban is aimed at reducing the number
of people killed in mass killings by gun.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 1st, 2013
11:34 am
I own a 9mm but that is only for hiking in the mountains – where the white male nut jobs are more dangerous than the cougars and bears.
Regnad Kcin
February 1st, 2013
11:35 am
“The shooter from Price Middle should be punished severely….like putting his parents behind bars if it was their unsecured gun..that will get attention across the country..”
Generally, there has to be a law to do that, right?
kayaker 71
February 1st, 2013
11:35 am
Keep, 11:28,
Admit what? Bozo’s inconsistency in facing reality? Wonder if the SS has a limit on how many rounds or what type of magazine they can carry. No, you don’t need 10 rounds to kill a deer, as your esteemed NY governor has pointed out but you might need more than ten rounds if a group of five kicked in your door some night. Then by the time you reached the last one and were out of ammo, then perhaps you can call the police or tell that last guy to wait a minute until you reload. That’s not mentioned in the second amendment either.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 1st, 2013
11:36 am
“Background checks will never be universal because criminals will never submit to them,” says NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre.
“Good point,” says Jon Stewart. “Let’s pass laws that only criminals will immediately obey. Let’s do that.”
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 1st, 2013
11:38 am
EC — something like 3% or less of all gun homicide is committed with a rifle
However those mass murder situations using a semi-assault rifle or multiple bullet rapid fire clip are likely in excess of 85% (without looking up the actual percentage)
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 1st, 2013
11:38 am
No, you don’t need 10 rounds to kill a deer
Actually, Kayaker, the POINT is that some people DO need 10+ rounds of ammo to kill a deer.
It is exactly these incompetents that we want to keep guns out of the hands of.
getalife
February 1st, 2013
11:39 am
rb,
You cheered w on for 8 years.
You are not fooling anyone so stop lying.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 1st, 2013
11:39 am
Marty Huggins’
February 1st, 2013
11:33 am
Nope…they will still be available in massive quantities….this political theatre (i agree that more enforcment and hurdles to obtain is idiotic not to pass) is simply due to the political need to show some response…
None of this stuff will make our kids safer at school….why didn’t they address that issue? At least some BS “task force” to examine ways to minimize the exposure to bad guys getting in to schools…that’s the real issue. Nothing can be done with other public gathering places…310 million guns in circulation seems to render pulling a few million guns off the market trivial..
Living With Open Eyes
February 1st, 2013
11:40 am
Stevie Ray, I agree with your statements about work being sent abroad, and mechanization of remaining industries, and globalization causing our current unemployment situation. However what do you think all these displaced workers are supposed to do for a living? There just aren”t that many service jobs available or 12.3 million people wouldn’t be out of work.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 1st, 2013
11:41 am
Well I should have known that you would be too stubborn to admit that your joke was asinine as most people are not likely targets of assassination. But you’ve gone to the posts of stupidity again. I can’t help you there. I tried to help you see intelligent commentary but the Stupid side of the Force is hard to beat, especially when you love it there.
kayaker 71
February 1st, 2013
11:41 am
Chicago had over 500 murder/homicides last year and they headed for another record this year from the looks of things. The highest rate of gun violence in the country governed by some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation. Something ain’t working.
getalife
February 1st, 2013
11:41 am
kay.
Admit what? Bozo’s inconsistency in facing reality?
When the facts do not agree with your ideology, you ignore them.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 1st, 2013
11:41 am
Regnad Kcin
February 1st, 2013
11:35 am
Not necessarily. Civil suit by BOE and parents of injured kid will reap wonders especially if becomes case law…this assumes that the parents did’t secure the gun…he could have gotten it on the street.
Economic ruin is pretty good motivation for securing handguns….at least in this sense.
getalife
February 1st, 2013
11:43 am
“Something ain’t working.”
The drug war is a massive failure and colossal waste of money.
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
11:43 am
Stevie Ray
…310 million guns in circulation seems to render pulling a few million guns off the market trivial..
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but if it lets one child live to be get old I consider it worth it
Erwin's cat
February 1st, 2013
11:45 am
Keep – However those mass murder situations using a semi-assault rifle or multiple bullet rapid fire clip are likely in excess of 85%
probably true….but until now, I haven’t been hearing the mass murder argument….so all of this feel good legislation is to eliminate like 0.1% (w/o looking up the actual numbers) of all murders? Strange place to put so much energy while ignoring a larger problem
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 1st, 2013
11:45 am
Living With Open Eyes
February 1st, 2013
11:40 am
I have no clue. Keeping the jobs domestically to simply be a good corporate citizen will likely cause more domestic jobs lost since loss of market share from inability to compete globally will result in scuttling of existing operations…
Job retraining sounds all well and good and likely best option in a bucket of poor options, but concern there is that many, especially older folks, generally will resist starting a new career in 50’s…IMO
getalife
February 1st, 2013
11:46 am
“but if it lets one child live to be get old I consider it worth it”
That is the goal of the gun debate.
kayaker 71
February 1st, 2013
11:47 am
Most of these 513 murders in Chicago occurred on the South and West side. Guess who lives there?
Regnad Kcin
February 1st, 2013
11:47 am
“Economic ruin is pretty good motivation for securing handguns….at least in this sense.”
That’s a better idea, Stevie Ray. You can’t really lock ‘em up, but you can sure sue the $h!t outta them.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 1st, 2013
11:48 am
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
11:43 am
Agreed but linking a life saved to this legislation will be near impossible to carry off…legislation is long overdue IMO and is simply intuitive, but any impact would be non-distinguished…plenty of guns in circulation now to allow these shooting to continue. I do note that school violence is alledgedly on the down slope….too bad a single event like CT eliminates 30 individual instances..
getalife
February 1st, 2013
11:48 am
“Guess who lives there?”
The American people live there.
DownInAlbany
February 1st, 2013
11:49 am
Letter signed by 1,100 Green Berets:
http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40772
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
11:49 am
Erwin’s cat
Strange place to put so much energy while ignoring a larger problem
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People will continue killing each other but mass killing of children
with superfluous weapons cannot be allowed to continue.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 1st, 2013
11:50 am
Most of these 513 murders in Chicago occurred on the South and West side. Guess who lives there
My guess would be humans (as well as any number of dogs, cats, squirrels) but I am sure you can tell us more.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
February 1st, 2013
11:50 am
Regnad Kcin
February 1st, 2013
11:47 am
Also, if any law is passed, strict liability should be imposed meaning no trial is needed once link established to parents not securing gun…just a hearing on damages or jail time…
td
February 1st, 2013
11:50 am
Jay
February 1st, 2013
11:19 am
“Here is the best reason: It is none of anyones business because it is a Constitutionally protected individual right.
No, td, it is NOT a constitutionally protected right to possess a 20-round magazine. Or an assault weapon, for that matter.
California, for example, bans magazines of more than 10 rounds. It also bans assault weapons. Those restrictions have been on the books, and enforced, for decades now. If those laws were unconstitutional, they would have been challenged and overturned by now.
They have not.
It is my understanding that there are cases in the Federal court system now that address these types of restrictions. Do you remember the latest appeals court ruling that told IL that they could not ban cancel carry.
kayaker 71
February 1st, 2013
11:50 am
The “American people” also live in Cheyenne, Wyoming, Salt Lake City Utah and Boise City, Idaho as well but wonder why they don’t have over 500 murders/year?
the cat
February 1st, 2013
11:51 am
1,110 Green berets signed a petition.
Almost equal to the number of people shot since Newtown.
getalife
February 1st, 2013
11:51 am
The murders in Chicago are the same concept during prohibition.
Knock off the competition.
Marty Huggins'
February 1st, 2013
11:51 am
Enter your comments here
Tundra Dude
February 1st, 2013
11:52 am
somebody wrote:
100% secure border?
Whatever happened to that _Great Wall of Bush_ ??
The one with the built-in gaps…IIRC….at the Hunt Bros. plantation
and the resort/country club belonging to another Bush crony right on the borderline.
Only the (stinky) Little peeps get the wall on their property.
DownInAlbany
February 1st, 2013
11:52 am
the cat
February 1st, 2013
11:51 am
1,110 Green berets signed a petition.
Almost equal to the number of people shot since Newtown.
Since you mentioned Newtown….
http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Newtown-Votes-for-Armed-School-Officers-189320221.html?dr
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 1st, 2013
11:53 am
EC, when the politics of the NRA has blocked any reform for years and years and have made the problem worse, the first thing to address would be the easiest fixes that almost anyone with a brain would agree with. Then we can get down to the issues of addressing the more difficult issues. But I am sure you know that if you have given this serious thought.
Erwin's cat
February 1st, 2013
11:53 am
frog – People will continue killing each other but mass killing of children
with superfluous weapons cannot be allowed to continue.
all you’ll do is change the weapon for the premeditated
DannyX
February 1st, 2013
11:54 am
Kayaker—-”Chicago had over 500 murder/homicides last year and they headed for another record this year from the looks of things. The highest rate of gun violence in the country governed by some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation.”
They did until the McDonald v. Chicago Supreme Court decision that was issued in 2010. Things may be getting worse there because of that decision.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 1st, 2013
11:54 am
Ok K71, so if its not “Americans” what are you saying is the answer to your “Guess who lives there” question.
Erwin's cat
February 1st, 2013
11:54 am
NRA has blocked any reform for years
I didn’t realize they were part of the gov’t
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
11:55 am
Stevie Ray
you go to war with the army you got, not the army you want -rummy(paraphrase)
I agree about the inefficacy of most gun control laws but we got to where we are
from a better place, wouldn’t hurt to go back there..
Marty Huggins'
February 1st, 2013
11:55 am
getalife
February 1st, 2013
11:43 am
“Something ain’t working.”
The drug war is a massive failure and colossal waste of money.
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We can agree on that.
So why do you want to start a “war on guns” that won’t work either?
getalife
February 1st, 2013
11:56 am
cat,
Lobbyists write the laws now.
Try to keep up.
They are part of government and your cons on the sc made it worse.
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
11:56 am
then I guess the “ban” is not enforced as Jay indicated….
no, that wasn’t my point–my point is, a state can only do so much with a law like that, if it’s perfectly legal to go into another state and procure such a beast legally. But I think you get that.
seriously going after assault rifles is not a fat rabbit..fact it’s pretty skinny…something like 3% or less of all gun homicide is committed with a rifle…feel good legislation is all it is
Don’t entirely agree, but I’ve acknowledged all along that a holistic approach is needed to make much of a difference in our overall murder rate. I’m well aware that high capacity assault weapons used for certain infrequent high-publicity mass murders are only a minor part of the picture, and I’d just as soon not even focus on that part of it so much.
But the capacity/assault rifle definition issue comes up a lot, sparking regulation advocacy positions, and some of the arguments against regulation are pretty lame, is all.
(I guess some that are for the regulation are likely lame as well, maybe I’m not as likely to go sniffing those out.)
td
February 1st, 2013
11:56 am
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 1st, 2013
11:38 am
EC — something like 3% or less of all gun homicide is committed with a rifle
However those mass murder situations using a semi-assault rifle or multiple bullet rapid fire clip are likely in excess of 85% (without looking up the actual percentage)
And there was not a mass murder at a school in Atlanta yesterday due to a brave armed security guard.
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
11:57 am
[oops, missed turning off the ital in my second graf, @ 11.56, sorry.]
getalife
February 1st, 2013
11:57 am
marty,
The war on guns is a figment of your imagination.
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
11:57 am
Erwin’s cat
all you’ll do is change the weapon for the premeditated
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and slow them down in the process which may be all we
can get now.
DannyX
February 1st, 2013
11:58 am
“I didn’t realize they were part of the gov’t”
Seriously, EC? In the age of lobbyists, campaign cash and Citizens United? We now have a new branch of government.
Tundra Dude
February 1st, 2013
11:58 am
The murders in Chicago are the same concept during prohibition.
Wonder why all the interest in Chicago’s 500+ murders. ??
That’s a mere 11% increase over 2011.
Back in the 90’s 700+ to 900 was the norm.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 1st, 2013
11:58 am
td, you have proof that it was an attempted mass murder and not just a dispute between two people with gun violence? Please prove it.
Common Sense isn't very Common
February 1st, 2013
11:59 am
Keep, 11:17,
It only takes one animal crashing through your front door and the odds are even.
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Yeppers i shot the crap outta that field mouse.
RB from Gwinnett
February 1st, 2013
11:59 am
When one of you can tell us how this background check nonsense would have prevented any of the mass shooting we’re trying to prevent, then we’ll discuss it. Until then, why don’t we take the opportunity to make ice cream illegal in response to traffic deaths while we’re at it.
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
11:59 am
>>NRA has blocked any reform for years
>I didn’t realize they were part of the gov’t
EC, come on. That’s kind of a dishonest selective quotation–it actually read “…the politics of the NRA has blocked any reform…” and while I do think that the NRA is overappreciated as a boogieman (some courage to tell them to eff off is needed from the left, rather than just crying about how mean they are), they HAVE directed traffic on this issue in the relatively recent past.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 1st, 2013
11:59 am
EC – The NRA is a lobbying group just as Grover represents some as does Karl Rove. But you know that. Really weak response on your part. I guess I was wrong to believe you were capable of intelligent commentary on a subject like this.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
February 1st, 2013
12:00 pm
Got to go prepare my taxes or Obama’s gub’ment will “be in contact”! Time for my annual contribution to the gub’ment bottomless pit.
Well, maybe I need to put Morality in touch with my tax guy Bubba. Bubba always gets me back everything they took out of my check plus about 4500 bucks. It’s a special trick he uses. I never understood it but it has something to do with something that starts with “E” and ends in “Credit” and he always tells me to be sure and take good care of little Nathan Zell George. And the best part is he only charges me 800 bucks or so.
If Morality was a nicer person I might put him in touch with Bubba. But naw. . .let him pay up.
It’s time for my lunch break and my mouth is watering every time I think of showing up at Billy Bob’s tonight. PBR always tastes better at Billy Bob’s place.
the dog
February 1st, 2013
12:00 pm
Officially changing my “handle” to the dog since I may be mistaken for Erwin’s Cat and he isn’t the brightest bulb in the drawer.
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
12:00 pm
td
And there was not a mass murder at a school in Atlanta yesterday due to a brave armed security guard.
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and I sincerely advocate this position also especially by policemen.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 1st, 2013
12:02 pm
When one of you can tell us how this background check nonsense would have prevented any of the mass shooting we’re trying to prevent, then we’ll discuss it.
Sure as soon as you explain factually, with verifiable evidence, how Obamacare is going to raise the basic price of pizza from $11 to $25, pizzaboy.
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
12:04 pm
Unusual that the advocates of ‘fix the mentally ill’ don’t want
background checks to identify them.
kayaker 71
February 1st, 2013
12:04 pm
Keep, 11:54,
The same answer that so obvious that even you could figure it out. OK, let’s gear up for all of the name calling, especially the racist rants, bigotry and white male idiocy that will follow. Chicago, on its West and South sides is largely populated by blacks and latinos. Same with the most violent districts in NY, LA, Houston, Detroit, Atlanta and other large cities that the Democrats control. They are killing off their best and brightest at an alarming rate. The most common cause of death in a black male between ages 18 and 35 is violent homicide. Oh, but we can’t say that, now can we? Might offend someone to even mention the elephant in the living room. Liberals have their heads so far up their collective arses that they cannot or will not admit the obvious. So rant on about all of this white male racist bigotry, Keep. But while you are at it, open your eyes and extract your head out of your posterior and look around. It is amazing what you might see.
td
February 1st, 2013
12:05 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 1st, 2013
11:53 am
“EC, when the politics of the NRA has blocked any reform for years and years”
The NRA has not had to do hardly anything since 1993 (and has lost membership until now) because the Dems concluded that their huge defeat in the House of Reps (Newts revolution) was totally caused by the last “assault weapons” ban. The Dems took guns totally off the table and would not even mention them until now.
the dog
February 1st, 2013
12:05 pm
I noted a while back that the high schools in Gwinnett county are extremely large with many entrances and buildings. No one has answered the question of are we going to put an armed officer at every entrance? In most instances it is a good 10 minute walk from one side of the school to the other. Your average Barney Fife is going to take 20 minutes and be winded.
getalife
February 1st, 2013
12:05 pm
It is not just the cat.
cons write dumber and dumber stuff everyday.
Stuff not even close to the truth.
I guess it is the old age senility kicking in or too many meds.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 1st, 2013
12:07 pm
t. dog — “I may be mistaken for Erwin’s Cat and he isn’t the brightest bulb in the drawer.”
As one of the more contentious lefties on Jay’s board, let me be the first to strongly suggest that you’ve badly misread E. Cat.
Jay
February 1st, 2013
12:07 pm
kayaker, speaking of seeing better, you might want to cut those eyeholes a little bigger.
Marty Huggins'
February 1st, 2013
12:09 pm
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“but if it lets one child live to be get old I consider it worth it”
How many other laws would you like to add restricting law abiding citizens choices for their purchases or entertainment. Cause that’s what most folks with semi-autos who are responsible with them do is go to gun ranges and shoot stuff for entertainment. Call it masculine insecurity if you will.
But does anyone really “need” a Hummer? How many children will die from that pollution?
How about folks who live in metro atl, in a very suburban area who drive large trucks not for business but for general transportation?
How about we outlaw drugs and alcohol too?
Oh wait we already tried those, both seemed to actually cause more crime than they prevented.
Though we were smart enough to actually repeal one of those.
F. Sinkwich
February 1st, 2013
12:09 pm
Go figure this from WaPo:
“Americans have a very special message for the federal government: Don’t tread on me.That’s the takeaway from a new poll from the Pew Research Center in which, for the first time in at least the last two decades, a majority of Americans say Washington actually poses a threat to their “personal rights and freedoms.”And it’s not just tea party supporters, Republicans and gun owners. Nearly two-fifths of Democrats (38 percent) say the government is a threat to them personally, as do 45 percent of non-gun owners.”
And those 38% voted for O’bozo…
Bwaahahahahahahaha
keith
February 1st, 2013
12:09 pm
now that the election is over and zero won, he has decided to change the mandate on contraception. all those stupid women voted for him and now they are under the bus. HILARIOUS!!
td
February 1st, 2013
12:09 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 1st, 2013
11:58 am
td, you have proof that it was an attempted mass murder and not just a dispute between two people with gun violence? Please prove it.
Do you have proof that it was not or that kid was not going to do anything else with the gun? We will probably not know for sure ever (because if I was the kids attorney I would tell him to say that it was nothing more then a dispute between 2 kids).
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
12:09 pm
As one of the more contentious lefties on Jay’s board, let me be the first to strongly suggest that you’ve badly misread E. Cat.
I’ll be the second.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 1st, 2013
12:09 pm
Well K71, again other than your admitted prejudice and hatred of certain races, because guns are a problem in the entire country, you want to claim that a situation in a certain area of the country is race related and not poverty related or some other factor. It is amazing what we see from you….. its a shame that you are unable to see anything but race.
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
12:10 pm
the dog
I noted a while back that the high schools in Gwinnett county are extremely large with many entrances and buildings. No one has answered the question of are we going to put an armed officer at every entrance?
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school design has to be addressed. at present closing unguarded doors
may cause inconvenience but is necessary.
southpaw
February 1st, 2013
12:10 pm
sfd@11:17
Around these parts, collards (fixed your spelling) are picked, not hunted.
DannyX
February 1st, 2013
12:11 pm
“As one of the more contentious lefties on Jay’s board, let me be the first to strongly suggest that you’ve badly misread E. Cat.”
Seconded. We need more cats like that around here.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 1st, 2013
12:12 pm
F. Sinkiewicz — “Nearly two-fifths of Democrats (38 percent) say the government is a threat to them personally, as do 45 percent of non-gun owners.”
What makes you think that they feel threatened by *Democrats* and policies *sponsored* by Democrats?
How do you know that they don’t feel threatened by policies that Republicans are pushing?
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
12:12 pm
Cut Erwin’s cat some slack, he thinks he’s an engineer but
has no train…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 1st, 2013
12:13 pm
td: Do you have proof that it was not or that kid was not going to do anything else with the gun? We will probably not know for sure ever (because if I was the kids attorney I would tell him to say that it was nothing more then a dispute between 2 kids).
keith
February 1st, 2013
12:13 pm
kayaker, speaking of seeing better, you might want to cut those eyeholes a little bigger.
CANT DISPUTE HIS FACTS SO YOU MAKE AN IGNORANT STATEMENT. TYPICAL LIBERAL BS
Jackie
February 1st, 2013
12:13 pm
It appears that many of the guns found in Chicago were not purchased in Chicago.
http://www.theatlanticcities.com/neighborhoods/2012/08/where-chicagos-guns-come/3090/
td
February 1st, 2013
12:14 pm
F. Sinkwich
February 1st, 2013
12:09 pm
Go figure this from WaPo:
“Americans have a very special message for the federal government: Don’t tread on me.That’s the takeaway from a new poll from the Pew Research Center in which, for the first time in at least the last two decades, a majority of Americans say Washington actually poses a threat to their “personal rights and freedoms.”And it’s not just tea party supporters, Republicans and gun owners. Nearly two-fifths of Democrats (38 percent) say the government is a threat to them personally, as do 45 percent of non-gun owners.”
And those 38% voted for O’bozo…
Very good find. Wonder if this will be reported by the LSM? Not holding my breath.
kayaker 71
February 1st, 2013
12:14 pm
bookman, 12:07,
I might have known that Keep didn’t have a clue about the obvious but for the life of me, I didn’t peg you for that last statement. We might not agree very often but comments like that should get you banned from your own blog. To even intimate that I have anything to do with that heinous organization is not only beneath your station but shows how really small you can be. You need to be setting the example with your “journalistic” acumen, my friend. And statements like that ain’t gettin’ it done.
keith
February 1st, 2013
12:15 pm
Terrorist bombing at the American embassy in Turkey. Obama blames it on an episode of South Park. LOL
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
12:15 pm
And those 38% voted for [the President]
As opposed to the guy who said he wanted to “double Gitmo” and shut down Planned Parenthood.
Adults have to make choices. I can understand that Obama has plenty of sucky policies/positions and still support him as a preferable option.
Common Sense isn't very Common
February 1st, 2013
12:15 pm
RC
Just make sure you get the PBR in an UNOPENED can or bottle.
The vet has said Billy Bob’s mule has kidney problems
RB from Gwinnett
February 1st, 2013
12:16 pm
“Sure as soon as you explain factually, with verifiable evidence, how Obamacare is going to raise the basic price of pizza from $11 to $25, pizzaboy.”
When you don’t have a reasonable answer, throw some silly comments out there and act like it’s funny while ignoring the actual issue. It’s the liberal way!!!
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
12:16 pm
Obama blames it on an episode of South Park. LOL
Stay classy, keith.
td
February 1st, 2013
12:17 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 1st, 2013
12:13 pm
Your link is broke so I could not read the entire story but the byline states “police believe”. Is it not true that the police believed and it was reported for several days that the shooter at Newtown did all of his killing with handguns?
Like I said we will never know what the shooters true intentions were in this case.
getalife
February 1st, 2013
12:18 pm
kay,
Self reflect and stop making racist comments.
Marty Huggins'
February 1st, 2013
12:18 pm
getalife
February 1st, 2013
11:57 am
Sorry, I don’t actually think their is a war on drugs was a poor play on words I guess.
It was meant to show that what is currently proposed will be as effective as the war on drugs.
Which you agreed was a failure, but judging from your post since this is an idea not proposed by republicans you will support it blindly.
You honestly think getting a semi-auto will be any harder for the person seeking it as getting weed is for another person looking for weed?
keith
February 1st, 2013
12:19 pm
Obama blames it on an episode of South Park. LOL
Stay classy, keith.
ZERO has a history of blaming videos on attacks instead of terrorists.
indigo
February 1st, 2013
12:19 pm
RB – “this background check nonsense”
Darn right.
This is America.
Any old crazy fool should be able to buy any old assault rifle!!
It’s the American way.
And, if men, women and children bite the dust is a hail of bullets, well, hell, our “right to keep and bear arms” tops their right to “life, liberity and the pursuit of happiness”.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 1st, 2013
12:19 pm
B. Frog — “Cut Erwin’s cat some slack, he thinks he’s an engineer but has no train…”
Look, he’s quite possibly the most even-tempered conservative on here. That alone makes him rare and remarkable, IMO. He’s also willing to say things like ‘okay, I didn’t get your point at first, but now I see what you’re getting at.’ And I like the HELL out of that; many of our righty regulars will jump to nutty and unwarranted conclusions about what you’re saying and will then argue up one side and down the other that THAT’S WHAT YOU SAID, even though you didn’t say anything of the sort.
E. Cat’s kinda taciturn, and he doesn’t always clarify what he’s saying at first. You have to ask him a question or two to draw him out. But if you’re polite to him, even if you disagree, then he’ll be polite right back to you.
And think of this — most of our righty posters, sooner or later, start arguing religious matters. Has anyone ever seen E. Cat do that? I haven’t. I don’t even know what religious persuasion he is (although I suspect I know).
All in all, IMO E. Cat’s a valuable member of our little crew of regulars. I wish we had more righties like him.
Common Sense isn't very Common
February 1st, 2013
12:20 pm
Jay
A white hood has eyeholes? I thought they only held a’holes
the dog
February 1st, 2013
12:21 pm
JHM-why don’t y’all get a room?
TBone
February 1st, 2013
12:21 pm
I worked the Georgia legslative sessions in the 80’s and 90’s had to file disclosure documents and jump through all of the other hoops. This ethics stuff just goes on and on and at the end of the day doesn’t make a pinch of poodle poop in the snow bank. What is it exactly that the media wants to prevent our elected officials from interacting with their constituents?
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
12:22 pm
Keep up(because if I was the kids attorney I would tell him to say that it was nothing more then a dispute between 2 kids).
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I certainly hope you would not counsel suborning perjury rather than pleading guilty.
keith
February 1st, 2013
12:22 pm
kay,
Self reflect and stop making racist comments.
so its racist to state the fact that blacks are killing blacks in Chicago. This is a liberal way to keep their heads up their arses just like kayaker posted. dont dispute the facts just scream racism. typical ignorant liberal BS!
Joe Hussein Mama
February 1st, 2013
12:22 pm
t. dog — “JHM-why don’t y’all get a room?”
I like talking to people who are polite, even if I don’t agree with what they have to say. So sue me.
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
12:24 pm
I would be red-carded if I were to reply appropriately to keith’s message @ 12.19.
So, this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkVo6hD1KCM
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
12:25 pm
JoeHusseinMama
All in all, IMO E. Cat’s a valuable member of our little crew of regulars. I wish we had more righties like him.
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I will reserve judgment until he ‘comes out of the box’
Class of '98
February 1st, 2013
12:26 pm
To answer your question, Jay, I think if someone graduates with an advanced degree in engineering, math, medicine, etc,. we should staple a green card to their diploma.
I don’t care whether they are from India, Mexico, or Mars.
I don’t believe in the “tired, poor, huddled masses” garbage. That sentiment was written by a Frenchman and not ratified by our legislature. We don’t need more tired and poor people in this country.
But then again, I don’t claim to speak for all conservatives. Brooks, for some bizarre reason, insists he is a conservative and speaks for us when the vast majority of true conservatives disown him entirely.
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
12:27 pm
JoeHusseinMama
also you have already indicated you fondness for cats over dogs..
Armed guard disarmed teen in Atlanta school shooting, says police chief
February 1st, 2013
12:29 pm
The assault weapons ban is going nowhere!!!
getalife
February 1st, 2013
12:29 pm
keefer,
Whaaa.
It is not the first time kay posted racial crap.
Jay
February 1st, 2013
12:30 pm
“so its racist to state the fact that blacks are killing blacks in Chicago….”
Another way to put it is that people are killing people.
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
12:30 pm
Brooks, for some bizarre reason, insists he is a conservative and speaks for us
When did he claim to speak for y’all?
DannyX
February 1st, 2013
12:30 pm
Surely td and F. Sinkwich don’t think the results of that Pew Research poll is making the case that Americans don’t want sensible gun control. Are you?
January 23 Gallup
“Do you support background checks for all gun sales?”
YES…92%
NO…8%
“Should the government reinstate and STRENGTHEN the assault weapons ban that was in place from 1994 to 2004?”
YES…60%
NO…35%
Should the government limit the sale of ammunition magazines to those with 10 rounds or less?
YES…54%
NO…43%
In fact Americans agree with all of Obama’s proposals. http://www.gallup.com/poll/160085/americans-back-obama-proposals-address-gun-violence.aspx
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
12:31 pm
Another way to put it is that people are killing people.
that’d require one to regard such people as people. Mighty high bar for some.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 1st, 2013
12:31 pm
B. Frog — “JoeHusseinMama also you have already indicated you fondness for cats over dogs..”
I *prefer* cats, but I loves me some pets of most any sort. IMO, cats just cause less ruckus and damage than dogs can. And you don’t have to hold a cat’s leash in the rain while it looks for just the right place to piddle.
Jay
February 1st, 2013
12:31 pm
… but somehow, that just doesn’t get the same message across, now does it.
Doggone/GA
February 1st, 2013
12:32 pm
“Officially changing my “handle” to the dog since I may be mistaken for Erwin’s Cat”
Ummmmm…..
getalife
February 1st, 2013
12:33 pm
Or humans killing humans with guns.
Curious Observer
February 1st, 2013
12:33 pm
I don’t believe in the “tired, poor, huddled masses” garbage. That sentiment was written by a Frenchman and not ratified by our legislature. We don’t need more tired and poor people in this country.
FYI, the phrase was coined by Emma Lazarus, the author of the sonnet that appears at the base of the Statue of Liberty. It is this sonnet that contains the phrase you scorn. She was a New York City native and resident.
JohnnyReb
February 1st, 2013
12:34 pm
Jay
February 1st, 2013
12:30 pm
“so its racist to state the fact that blacks are killing blacks in Chicago….”
Another way to put it is that people are killing people.
______________________________________________
Please, just please. Don’t you think its ridiculous to not recognize the problem is blacks. It’s not whites killing blacks or Asians. It’s black on black.
There is a larger problem with violence in blacks just as there is a larger problem with unwed mothers in blacks.
Trying to make it politically correct is a coverup.
Jay
February 1st, 2013
12:35 pm
When did Brooks insist that he speaks for you, Class?
Hope and Change! Forward! NOT!!
February 1st, 2013
12:36 pm
The Bureau of Labor Statistics released jobs numbers for January Friday showing that nonfarm payroll employment increased by 157,000 and the unemployment rate rose to 7.9 percent.
Lost in these headline numbers was another rise in the number of people not in the labor force.
This number now stands at a staggering 89 million, up from 80.5 million when President Obama took office.
This means that there are currently 8.5 million more Americans not in the labor force than just four years ago.
Forget all the other numbers.
This continued explosion of people not in the labor force should be tremendously concerning as it represents an obstacle for the government to ever balance the budget without drastically raising taxes on those still working.
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/02/01/85-million-americans-left-labor-force-obamas-first-term#ixzz2JfbAwRUy
Class of '98
February 1st, 2013
12:36 pm
“When did he claim to speak for y’all?”
It’s an implicit claim when he allows himself to be the “conservative” voice in debates and on shows like Meet the Press, etc. Liberals like Jay make the claim for him whenever they echo his liberal viewpoint as some sort of enlightened, new-age conservatism. Jay clearly thinks Brooks is a conservative voice, that’s why he references him so much. I don’t recall Bookman quoting Maureen Dowd or Charles Blow at all. Ever.
I have nothing against David Brooks, and he is entitled to his moderate opinion. I think he is a smart man, quite frankly.
But he is not a conservative.
Common Sense isn't very Common
February 1st, 2013
12:37 pm
Jay
12:31
Very true
I see it took you all night to find any legislator ethics though, or were you drinking to drown out the noise LOL
Christian Conservative
February 1st, 2013
12:39 pm
Unemployment going up. GDP upside down… And bookman’s worried about ethics… Talk to Bob Menendez about that….
Class of '98
February 1st, 2013
12:39 pm
” It is this sonnet that contains the phrase you scorn. She was a New York City native and resident.”
Fantastic. I don’t care if Abe Lincoln wrote it, it has nothing to do with our laws.
Erwin's cat
February 1st, 2013
12:40 pm
Man a cat breaks for lunch and everyone starts talking about him
Thanks to my defenders: thank you…and my detractors:…it’s nice to noticed, I appreciate the name calling (cat) and Keep up the passive aggressive fight
DannyX
February 1st, 2013
12:40 pm
“But he is not a conservative.”
Ronald Reagan would no longer be considered conservative.
This conservative trend is not healthy for the Republican party.
(Reagan lived in Chicago at one time!)
people are killing people (warm and fuzzy)
February 1st, 2013
12:41 pm
Guns are causing the deaths of thousands and thousands of children each year. In 2008 and 2009, gun homicide was the leading cause of death among black teens.
Young black males die from gun violence at a rate 2.5 times higher than Latino males, and eight times higher than white males. Gun injuries are suffered by black teens at a rate ten times higher than white teens.
http://www.blackyouthproject.com/2012/03/report-gun-homicide-is-the-leading-cause-of-death-among-black-teens/
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
12:41 pm
When did Brooks insist that he speaks for you, Class?
’round the same time a Frenchie scribbled that doggerel about “homeless, tempest-tossed” moochers.<
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
12:42 pm
JoeHusseinMama
I *prefer* cats, but I loves me some pets of most any sort.
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I have almost always lived on a farm and we had yard dogs
and barn cats but one tiny white ball of fur clawed his way
into the house and stayed for about ten years. he was not
too smart as the only trick he learned was to run to the
microwave and sit up when he heard the ding as that was
where he got his warm milk. he would climb on top of the
porch and not remember how to climb down so I had to
climb up and get him. he would yowl to go out to piddle
but would take his own time doing it. still miss him.
Common Sense isn't very Common
February 1st, 2013
12:42 pm
EC
I was waiting for you to get back before I poked that dead cat with a stick again j/k
DannyX
February 1st, 2013
12:42 pm
“Unemployment going up. GDP upside down…”
What is your expert analysis on both, Christian Conservative?
Granny Godzilla
February 1st, 2013
12:44 pm
I think Brooks is a conservative.
It’s the Tea Party folks that are “RINO”s.
Until the GOP get that particular boil off it’s bottom they will not win the big ones.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 1st, 2013
12:45 pm
td, the link again but rally, you’re silly claim that because you think that there was some confusion over what type of gun may have been used initially, we’ll never know the truth. In fact, we do have complete factual information but I sure in your Benghazi mentality, we don’t know. Of course, you create a myth of a claim about the actions of a resource officer successfully stopping a “mass murder” and then claim we’ll never know the real intent of the assailant (well other than the intent that you claim was stopped). But I am sure you are receiving the reports of the investigators directly so you must have great factual information that you just are not sharing.
http://news.msn.com/us/14-year-old-boy-shot-at-atlanta-middle-school
Jay
February 1st, 2013
12:45 pm
OK, JohnnyReb, explain why you think that is pertinent. Does the fact that many of those involved are black change what policies ought to be pursued? Is there some specific solution that ought to be undertaken there that depends on the race of those involved?
It would also be interesting to hear your dissertation on gang problems in Gwinnett or Cobb, which tend to be more Hispanic or Asian. Or the largely white meth-driven violence in rural areas of the country. What race-specific policies should be followed in those areas?
You know, since race is so important in considering such matters…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 1st, 2013
12:48 pm
Well I see RB has joined in on the “Its a particular race problem”. Now tell me again what info you have on the killers at Newtown and Columbine to indicate that its a “black” problem? Ancestry.com?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 1st, 2013
12:49 pm
My apologies. I typed RB and should have identified the poster as JohnnyReb
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 1st, 2013
12:51 pm
Buck up Working Folks…………..
.
No matter how bad things are gonna get in the future,
at least you’re not Obama apologists.
.
For basic decency’s sake…………..That’s gotta hurt.
Jackie
February 1st, 2013
12:53 pm
Gun violence, like crime is a “local issue.”
Blacks kill blacks, whites kill whites.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/whos-killing-whom-and-with-what/
TBS
February 1st, 2013
12:54 pm
Thomas
How is Alex Jones holding up? You know with those Bloomberg hit men that are probably looking for him.
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
12:54 pm
There is a larger problem with violence in blacks just as there is a larger problem with unwed mothers in blacks.
“Clearly Those People need more gun choice, less reproductive choice.”
–GOP Congressional Sensitivity Trainee
Cosby
February 1st, 2013
12:54 pm
Hmm…for all its faults, it does start a process for Ethics reform which has been totally ignored in the past. At lease David had guts enough to try to do something…but wonder if the DC crowd, including The White House – would have the same courage…naa…they are to busy living the good life as they take control of the citizens lives…watch out for the food police!!!
getalife
February 1st, 2013
12:54 pm
You will see a large decline of murders after they ended prohibition.
They were using machine guns back then in Chicago.
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
12:56 pm
Mass killings seem to be a white problem and gang killings seem
to be a brown problem and should not be lumped together to
find solutions. gang killings seem to be money/drug problems
and mass killings seem to be mental problems. none seem to
be racist problems other than the common identifiers by color.
St Simons - he-ne-ha
February 1st, 2013
12:57 pm
as to the article,
dang, that means bidness is gonna suffer down heah at the Cloister
Erwin's cat
February 1st, 2013
12:57 pm
JHM – I don’t even know what religious persuasion he is (although I suspect I know).
FWIW I have found over the years that religious affiliation is as useless as party affiliation or versa visa. I have my leanings like anyone, but like you…prefer to at least try and think for myself.
kayaker 71
February 1st, 2013
12:58 pm
So, it’s people killing people. And that’s as far as it goes. So, those that chose to speak the truth about certain ethnic groups are scorned, vilified, demonized just for stating the truth. Political correctness refuses us the opportunity to face reality and call things what they are. It’s easier to kill the messenger with stupid comments that reflect the intelligence of those that make them than to face up to how things really are. No wonder I don’t have any more liberal friends.
Refute any of the following statements:
Violence, crime rates, homicides and murders are much higher in a black dominated community.
The most common cause of death in a black male between 18 and 35 is violent homicide.
49% of our prison population in male prisons is black although they only make up 6% of the population at large.
Black on black violence, even in cities no larger than Macon, cost the taxpayers billions of dollars/year and take away some of the best and brightest of young men who otherwise might have become productive citizens.
The murder rate in Chicago was 512 last year, mostly on the South and West sides. The murder rate in 2013 has already surpassed what it was at the same time last year and is pegged to hit 700 in 2013.
Yet, we ignore all of this in lieu of political correctness. We cannot criticize anyone in a minority population for fear of statements like, “You might want to have the holes cut a little bigger”. Yeah, Bookman, that ought to solve a lot of problems.
Aquagirl
February 1st, 2013
1:01 pm
No wonder I don’t have any more liberal friends.
Darn libs, they’re so critical and judgmental about racist rants.
Cool
February 1st, 2013
1:03 pm
Kayaker
You wanting or just whining?
What exactly are you doing to improve the situations that you whine about?
bman.
February 1st, 2013
1:03 pm
ahhh…race relations are alive & well, I see.
getalife
February 1st, 2013
1:04 pm
“that ought to solve a lot of problems.”
Solve problems?
Your very existence on this planet is saying no to solving problems.
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
1:06 pm
bman
ahhh…race relations are alive & well, I see.
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race relations are something I have participated in and found
to be…well..excellent.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 1st, 2013
1:07 pm
C ‘98 — “I have nothing against David Brooks, and he is entitled to his moderate opinion. I think he is a smart man, quite frankly. But he is not a conservative.”
I think that people who say ‘that person’s not a conservative’ generally aren’t in any position to make claims like that.
Same goes for people who say things like ‘that person’s not a christian.’
FWIW, I generally take people at their word on things like that. And if you think that they’re not what they claim to be, then tell me — who, exactly, are *you* to make that claim?
Jackie
February 1st, 2013
1:07 pm
A correlation that many refuse to acknowledge is the rate of poverty in this country and the growing financial inequality.
http://books.google.com/books?id=sQ80G_nQxqAC&pg=PA31&lpg=PA31&dq=the+percentage+of+black+kids+in+youth+detention+in+ga&source=bl&ots=Iqk0WUKhqP&sig=yH13mgmQBih_rdqtcRlQ9z6pza4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=QAMMUYXvCoq89gSj64HADQ&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=the%20percentage%20of%20black%20kids%20in%20youth%20detention%20in%20ga&f=false
JohnnyReb
February 1st, 2013
1:07 pm
OK, Jay, but it will be a short version.
First, while there is violence in Gwinnett, Cobb and white race driven meth violence in rural areas, it is well below the level of what is happening in Chicago. The violence in Chicago is black race on black race. It runs parallel to black violence in other urban areas.
While the number of predominantly white people years ago in Atlanta was low compared to the numbert of blacks in Atlanta now, there was hardly any violence then that compares to what is on the news everynight where it is a black person.
There is no race-specifc policy needed. There have been too many race specific policies now. What is needed is for black leaders to stop blamming everyone else for the problems in their race and do something about it.
I could go on and on with such references as the number of black men who go to jail, the number of black women giving birth outside of wedlock, etc. etc. But there is no need, everyone knows it even if they won’t admit it.
It’s been over 40 years since LBJ’s great society started. Billions have been poured into programs aimed at improving life for blacks. Their current challenges are not disrimination. It’s not lack of most everyone wanting the best for blacks. No, there is a morality and character problem among blacks and the government, money, me or you can’t fix it. They have to fix it themselves.
Let me close by saying the above is a broad brush. Some of the best people I have known in my life are black.
bman.
February 1st, 2013
1:09 pm
“race relations are something I have participated in and found
to be…well..excellent.”
I’m currently researching women-only Asian gangs in the Duluth area. It’s better than excellent
alex
February 1st, 2013
1:10 pm
@ kay, Take Jay’s last answer removing all specifics and you have more “noise”, could use impoverished (if true) or some other descriptor to try to explain the issue,.. those that refuse to ,cannot examine the problem and therefore cannot achieve an answer to the killing. There may be no cause and effect between race and killing, it may be an indirect association, but it has to beaddressed to determine what the relationship is, if any…
Mr Right, the FOXBOT
February 1st, 2013
1:10 pm
8.5 Million Americans Left Labor Force In Obama’s First Term— And it’s not Obama’s fault, really?
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
1:10 pm
Jackie
A correlation that many refuse to acknowledge is the rate of poverty in this country and the growing financial inequality.
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wish I had said that…
kayaker 71
February 1st, 2013
1:11 pm
But none of you liberals can refute the above statements. Just call the person with the message a lot of cutsie, liberal names. We have a problem in this country that most liberals chose to ignore, especially those on this blog and the blog’s esteemed leader. This problem is bigger than the budget, unemployment, most foreign relations yet, it is not talked about, discussed or debated without someone being demonized. Americans are dying at an alarming rate every year….. 512 in Chicago alone and it takes the murder of 20 white kids to start a dialogue. What happened to the concern about all of the rest?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 1st, 2013
1:11 pm
49% of our prison population in male prisons is black although they only make up 6% of the population at large.
Certainly that maybe indicative of a race issue. There are any number of studies that will show that blacks are more likely to be targeted for enforcement than other groups. That the punishment for certain crimes may be jail terms that are applied more likely to blacks, than say white collar crimes which may just result in a fine. And recent studies have even suggested lead may be a part of the problem In other words, in your simple world, the knee jerk from the hood is to claim it is evidence of a problem with a race because its easy and makes your “political correctness” claim correct in your eyes. That of course educated and intelligent people look for the real roots of the problems and the causing effects is something that you don’t want to do in your world. Poverty, education, opportunity, impact of years and years of racial hatred are just not something you want to deal with in your simple world, K71. That’s the reality.
Jackie
February 1st, 2013
1:12 pm
@JohnnyReb
You state in your previous post that “morality” is the reason for blacks not doing as well “as they should.”
My question to you; when is the last time you took morality to the grocery store?
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
1:13 pm
bman
I’m currently researching women-only Asian gangs in the Duluth area. It’s better than excellent
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be careful their bodies are weapons of mass distraction…
getalife
February 1st, 2013
1:16 pm
“What happened to the concern about all of the rest?”
What if the only solution is something that is unconstitutional like banning guns?
That Black Guy
February 1st, 2013
1:16 pm
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am…
February 1st, 2013
10:18 am
Jay
February 1st, 2013
9:59 am
Why on earth do gun lovers want to get into the semantics of the definition of an assault gun….anything that can kill a slew of humans in seconds, regardless of what it is called, needs banning…
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SR, 3 questions…
How many is a “slew”?
How many “seconds”?
Would your ban include:
cars
trucks
planes
buses
trains
boats
gasoline
deisel fuel
gravity
Jackie
February 1st, 2013
1:16 pm
@Keep
One only has to look at the current drug law structure.
Why is it that 64% of the blacks in jail for drugs are there for marijuana USE?
Blacks are jailed for having 3 grams of crack when someone has to have 3.3 kilos of cocaine to be deemed a drug dealer.
JohnnyReb
February 1st, 2013
1:18 pm
Jackie – I don’t see “as well as they should” anywhere in my paragraph. That’s your words, not mine. Plus, the morality reference has to do with out of marriage births, violence in rap music, etc. It has nothing to do with the grocery store.
getalife
February 1st, 2013
1:19 pm
Or ending the drug war and legalizing drugs.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 1st, 2013
1:21 pm
Jackie, I agree. The war on drugs has a distorted and disparate impact. Its a very complicated issue that is easy that makes it easy for some to point to false correlations and claim that “its their fault”. A lot of it lies with the entire GOp 47% mentality of blame.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 1st, 2013
1:22 pm
J. Reb — “Plus, the morality reference has to do with out of marriage births, violence in rap music, etc.”
I’m sure you know that listening to rap music is not a racially-based activity. One can be of *any* race and listen to *any* music.
Jackie
February 1st, 2013
1:24 pm
@JohnnyReb
“As well as they should” is the inference your statements are making.
As for the out of wedlock births, have you ever thought that the problem with the incarceration of young black men; the labeling of the young black boys in school and sending them off to juvenile detention centers in GA has a profound impact on the number of men that are available for marriage.
Who wants to marry someone who has no education and has a criminal record. There is a minimal future for everyone in that scenario.
JohnnyReb
February 1st, 2013
1:25 pm
Joe Mama – of course I know every race listens to rap. And, not all rap has embedded violence, but you can’t deny the ties between rap, black artists, and the connected violence. Not to mention how offensive it is to the female race.
Jackie
February 1st, 2013
1:26 pm
@JohnnyReb
The largest single buyers of rap music is young white kids in the suburbs.
Remember, black kids have an unemployment rate of roughly 50%.
http://www.hiphoparea.com/rap/is-hip-hops-audience-really-80-white.html
alex
February 1st, 2013
1:26 pm
Jackie, I read some of the book, some empiric reasoning, but i suspect most serious observers of the problem would agree that poverty is a contributing variable to this issue. Financial inequaliy may be a tougher sell,but there is little doubt , for me, if I grew up in the Carver projects in Atlanta, I would not be where I am today and would very posssibly be dead.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 1st, 2013
1:28 pm
Rap music? I agree. Its the fault of eminen and vanilla Ice.
Maybe the Beastie Boys too.
Oh wait…wasn’t that Elvis guy the fault that civilization was falling apart? Or was it those long haired boys from Liverpool?
Joe Hussein Mama
February 1st, 2013
1:28 pm
J. Reb — “Joe Mama – of course I know every race listens to rap.”
But you’re only asserting a corrosive effect from it on *black* Americans. Why? If it is as negative a force as you appear to suggest, why then does it not affect other races of Americans who also listen to it?
“And, not all rap has embedded violence, but you can’t deny the ties between rap, black artists, and the connected violence.”
To what *specific* ties do you refer? I’m not going to give you some kind of blanket assent, only to find out later that you’re dreaming up all sorts of unsubstantiated nuttery.
“Not to mention how offensive it is to the female race.”
Female “race?”
Jackie
February 1st, 2013
1:28 pm
@JohnnyRev
Statement should have read “…buyers of rap music are …”
JohnnyReb
February 1st, 2013
1:28 pm
Jackie – character has to do with how you play the hand your dealt. Plus, having an out of wedloock birth sure is not going to make things easier.
Simple Truths
February 1st, 2013
1:31 pm
Jay, please write a post about drugs, or guns, or the economy, or heck, abortion. The comments have drifted far from the ethics reform blog post. A new post might help some posters stay on track.
getalife
February 1st, 2013
1:32 pm
reb does not get his Mtv and 16 and pregnant.
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
1:35 pm
Simple truths
Jay, please write a post about drugs, or guns, or the economy, or heck, abortion. The comments have drifted far from the ethics reform blog post. A new post might help some posters stay on track.
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probably all these comments could be related to the ethics of the
legislature if they reflect the society that elects them…
Jackie
February 1st, 2013
1:35 pm
@alex
We are all products of our environments.
Growing up in the projects or in the suburbs is a matter of luck.
A very simple survey for anyone to think that folks that grew up in dire poverty can not be productive members of society only has to look at, for example, the black astronauts that flew on the Shuttle.
If I am correct, all the blacks that flew are from South Carolina with Ron McNair being from Williamsburg County, the poorest county in the USA. If you have never been there, you may want to go just to see how people in this country are doing just as poorly as some of the commercials you see about the children living in poverty in the rest of the world.
southpaw
February 1st, 2013
1:37 pm
Simple Truths @1:31
Not for long.
That Black Guy
February 1st, 2013
1:38 pm
Jay
February 1st, 2013
10:49 am
Morality, you left out “stranger accidentally pulling into my driveway”.
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Jay, be careful. Using “the cat”’s logic and reasoning, you are “applauding” the shooting.
Mama Says
February 1st, 2013
1:39 pm
Bottom line, the legislature is a part time job, what part timer do you know that gets expense accounts and company paid resort trips.
They should get nothing and for that matter they should do nothing but legislate. At the very least the lobbyist should have to make the effort to come to dome when they want a handout and not sit in the lap of luxury while they bribe our reps.
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
1:39 pm
Ethics in the legislature is mostly a white male problem that
can at least be partially solved by electing brown females.
Jackie
February 1st, 2013
1:40 pm
@JohnnyReb
So, you believe that a young person who has the human need to make themselves a part of their own family structure; who does not have the means to purchase birth control products and/or may be denied those products because the government has has not funded the programs to make those tools available is not thinking? On that point, yes, they are reacting.
Other than that, a disagree with your premise, mightily.
Jm
February 1st, 2013
1:40 pm
I’m anti killing
Unless its a terrorist of course
Jackie
February 1st, 2013
1:44 pm
@barking
Ethics in government will not be solved until we elect our representatives who work to represent what is best for the public, not their reelection campaign.
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
1:44 pm
Mama says
They should get nothing and for that matter they should do nothing but legislate.
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Hopefully we will be delivered from that scenario. I would prefer they
be given extended vacations until better men are installed.
keith
February 1st, 2013
1:45 pm
Jay, ignoring the FACT that the majority of those dying and those killing them are black is a great example of liberals cramming their heads deeply up into your rectal area. If you cannot bring yourself to face the reality of the situation then how can anyone trust your judgement on anything?
alex
February 1st, 2013
1:45 pm
Yes, yes Jackie, there is no absolute contraindications of being destitute and being successful, white or black….You and most of the bloggers here are speaking of majority numbers, yes, yes.
@barking frog, Go see the doc that “bark” may well be whooping cough) and you’re becoming encephlopathic…….Many female and male lobbyists are “brown”, natural and tanned on the golf courses…….FORE……..
Simple Truths
February 1st, 2013
1:46 pm
barking @1:35
I doubt Chicago elected the state legislature of Georgia. I’ll have to check my old atlas…
Sigh… I just wish everything didn’t degenerate into talking points shouting match.
alex
February 1st, 2013
1:50 pm
Keith there is no ? of what you say the ? is of cause and effect, you seem to imply that being black makes you more likely to murder, a cause and effect..Many on this blog explain that because you are black you are more likely to be discriminated against and thus more poverty, more incarceration..that seems rational , does it not?
Jackie
February 1st, 2013
1:51 pm
@keith
Maybe you did not have a chance to read other information concerning violence in the USA. Hopes this helps.
http://newamericamedia.org/2012/04/dont-white-people-kill-each-other-too.php
keith
February 1st, 2013
1:51 pm
Ethis reform is necessary. Especially when you have a sitting Democratic Senator from NJ flying around the world on a friends jets, who owes the IRS 11 million dollars, to have sex with underaged prostitutes. I recall another Democrat, the Governor of NJ, running around with mail prostitutes. A Democratic Congressman showing his Weiner to anyone wanting to see it over the internet. It goes on and on. Have we seen zeros college transcripts yet? But you wanted Romneys records on everything. Selective ethics there Jay?????
keith
February 1st, 2013
1:52 pm
BTW I do know the correct word is M-A-L-E.
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
1:53 pm
alex
@barking frog, Go see the doc that “bark” may well be whooping cough) and you’re becoming encephlopathic…….Many female and male lobbyists are “brown”, natural and tanned on the golf courses…….FORE……..
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encephalopathy must be contagious as I did not address lobbyists
but the legislature that is elected, try harder to keep up…..
RB from Gwinnett
February 1st, 2013
1:54 pm
indigo
February 1st, 2013
12:19 pm
I notice you didn’t bother to tell us how this background check was going to prevent any of the tragedies that have created all this drama. Would you care to connect those dots or would you prefer to continue to spout senseless drivel?
Thulsa Doom
February 1st, 2013
1:54 pm
Doomys Irish eggs recipe.
Put 2 eggs in a bowl bigger than they need to be in. Then beat them good for 3 hours. Then you have some delicious whipped eggs.
Aquagirl
February 1st, 2013
1:54 pm
Its a very complicated issue that is easy that makes it easy for some to point to false correlations and claim that “its their fault”.
And of course those pointing the fingers are the true victims of our society, they’re so abused for their bravery in telling the truth. /sarc
Jackie
February 1st, 2013
1:55 pm
@keith
Do you believe that President Obama did not graduate from college?
keith
February 1st, 2013
1:57 pm
I dont have a problem admitting white people are killing white people. That has nothing to do with the epidemic of black on black violent crime that is happening in the liberal utopias of Chicago, Detroit, etc. Obamas only claim to fame before he became a politician was that he was a community organizer in Chicago. Just like his Presidency, he was a failure at that too.
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
1:57 pm
simple
I doubt Chicago elected the state legislature of Georgia. I’ll have to check my old atlas…
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they would have if they could’ve voted. there are maps on the intertubes….
Road Scholar
February 1st, 2013
1:57 pm
Sorry to go off topic: Scott Brown not running for Kerry’s senate seat in Mass.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/01/brown-wont-seek-mass-senate-seat/
keith
February 1st, 2013
2:00 pm
@keith
Do you believe that President Obama did not graduate from college?
I have no idea. I havent seen any of his transcrpts have you?
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
2:01 pm
Thulsa Doom
Doomys Irish eggs recipe.
Put 2 eggs in a bowl bigger than they need to be in. Then beat them good for 3 hours. Then you have some delicious whipped eggs
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Irisheggturbator..
Jackie
February 1st, 2013
2:01 pm
@keith
You believe that whites are killing whites but when blacks kill blacks it is an epidemic?
Is the rural south a conservative uptopia?
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 1st, 2013
2:03 pm
@keith
Do you believe that President Obama did not graduate from college?
I have no idea. I havent seen any of his transcrpts have you?
This is the idiocy we are up against.
This is also why we are and will continue to win.
Jackie
February 1st, 2013
2:03 pm
@keith
I have not seen any of his transcripts, however, all the schools that he attended say that he is a graduate.
Wonder if what you are implying has anything to do with his Hawaiian birth certificate?
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
2:03 pm
Jackie
Is the rural south a conservative uptopia?
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yes.
getalife
February 1st, 2013
2:03 pm
keith,
Your hero w destroyed our country.
Humility keith.
Try some.
DannyX
February 1st, 2013
2:06 pm
“Sorry to go off topic: Scott Brown not running for Kerry’s senate seat in Mass.”
Bqhatevwr!
UNCLE SAMANTHA
February 1st, 2013
2:08 pm
Jackie
February 1st, 2013
1:51 pm
@keith
Maybe you did not have a chance to read other information concerning violence in the USA. Hopes this helps.
http://newamericamedia.org/2012/04/dont-white-people-kill-each-other-too.php
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so the ratio is 2 to 1 Jackie…………
take that and solve for the population percentage and those ratios show the SIGNIFICANTLY HIGH CRIME RATE of MINORITIES in this country
Black persons, percent, 2011 (a) 13.1%
American Indian and Alaska Native persons, percent, 2011 (a) 1.2%
Asian persons, percent, 2011 (a) 5.0%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander persons, percent, 2011 (a) 0.2%
Persons reporting two or more races, percent, 2011 2.3%
Persons of Hispanic or Latino Origin, percent, 2011 (b) 16.7%
White persons not Hispanic, percent, 2011 63.4%
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html
That Black Guy
February 1st, 2013
2:09 pm
Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)
February 1st, 2013
11:29 am
Maybe start socializing with a better group of people? – Yes, because the people who commit home invasions are ALWAYS people you know
Maybe move to a better part of town? – Yes, because NOTHING ever happens in the “better part of town” because “those people” don’t drive.
Granny Godzilla
February 1st, 2013
2:10 pm
White? Black?
get real folks….
it’s mostly MEN
DannyX
February 1st, 2013
2:12 pm
“White? Black?
get real folks….
it’s mostly MEN”
Ain’t that the truth!!
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
2:12 pm
Scott Brown not running for Kerry’s senate seat in Mass.
I will be the first to step up and admit that Rachel Maddow’s suspicions, which I shared, of a nefarious plot on the right to oppose Susan Rice in order to clear the way for Kerry to be nominated instead, clearing the way for Scott Brown to run?
don’t appear to have had merit, in this light.
stands for decibels
February 1st, 2013
2:15 pm
free market quandry SHEETZ
barking frog
February 1st, 2013
2:15 pm
stands 2:12
Possibly the light shed by Maddow altered the plot since she got
the Kerry part right.
indigo
February 1st, 2013
2:15 pm
If, over the last 50+ years, our national leaders had stressed the importance of civil responsibities as often as they stressed civil rights, perhaps there would not be so much Black crime in our country.
Apparently, everyone wants civil rights but only a few care for civil responsibilities.
It certainly shows.
That Black Guy
February 1st, 2013
2:16 pm
Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)
February 1st, 2013
11:38 am
No, you don’t need 10 rounds to kill a deer
Actually, Kayaker, the POINT is that some people DO need 10+ rounds of ammo to kill a deer.
It is exactly these incompetents that we want to keep guns out of the hands of.
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Complete LIE!!!
NONE of the proposed bans or laws would keep guns out of the hands of a person who is a BAD SHOT.
Jay
February 1st, 2013
2:17 pm
sfd, you’ve gotta work on your marketing:
BEER sheetz!
Thulsa Doom
February 1st, 2013
2:18 pm
That black guy,
I think you got the cat all wrong. For example when he tells me he is “watching me” or “monitoring me” I just take it that he’s sorta doing a quality control check. I think he’s just “monitoring” me to ensure that I have a most pleasant and enjoyable blogging experience.
Class of '98
February 1st, 2013
2:19 pm
“FWIW, I generally take people at their word on things like that.”
Good for you. People like you followed Jim Jones to Guyana because of the things he SAID.
I’m more of a skeptic. I don’t believe a person is a Christian (or a conservative, or a liberal, etc.) just because they tell me they are.
I don’t care if Jay happens to agree with David Brooks. Both are intelligent, educated men.
But it’s disingenuous for liberals in the media like Jay to point to Mr. Brooks as an “example” of how other conservatives should think. I happen to think liberals should think like Ann Coulter. Of course Ann isn’t liberal, but at least she’s honest enough that she doesn’t claim to be, just to undermine liberal ideology.
This will be the last time I mention Mr. Brooks until Jay mentions him first, but again it is worth asking: If Brooks is so conservative, isn’t funny how often Jay agrees with him?
Jay must be a conservative too!! Welcome to the good side, Jay.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 1st, 2013
2:26 pm
C’ 98 — “Good for you. People like you followed Jim Jones to Guyana because of the things he SAID.”
Logic FAIL, sonny. Claiming to be a Republican or a christian is quite a different thing from claiming to be a christlike figure.
“I’m more of a skeptic. I don’t believe a person is a Christian (or a conservative, or a liberal, etc.) just because they tell me they are.”
What, exactly, are your qualifications for determining who is or isn’t a christian, a conservative or successor to jesus? Who are you that anyone else should accept your assessments as factual?
“I don’t care if Jay happens to agree with David Brooks. Both are intelligent, educated men. But it’s disingenuous for liberals in the media like Jay to point to Mr. Brooks as an “example” of how other conservatives should think.”
I don’t believe that Jay represented him in that way at all. I think that Jay represented him as an example of how *some* conservatives are thinking, and not even the majority.
“I happen to think liberals should think like Ann Coulter. Of course Ann isn’t liberal, but at least she’s honest enough that she doesn’t claim to be, just to undermine liberal ideology.”
FWIW, Ann Coulter’s not particularly honest. Or so say a number of liberal men she’s apparently slept with.
“This will be the last time I mention Mr. Brooks until Jay mentions him first, but again it is worth asking: If Brooks is so conservative, isn’t funny how often Jay agrees with him?”
How often, in your estimation, is Jay allowed to agree with someone before that person is no longer fairly considered a conservative?
Jackie
February 1st, 2013
2:27 pm
@UNCLE
What point are you trying to make?
Jackie
February 1st, 2013
2:29 pm
@indigo
Did you imply that blacks were not living up to their civil responsibilities because they were more concerned about their civil rights?
Erwin's cat
February 1st, 2013
2:39 pm
Doomys Irish eggs recipe.
Put 2 eggs in a bowl bigger than they need to be in. Then beat them good for 3 hours. Then you have some delicious whipped eggs.
you know you are only allowed to beat the egg “whites”
Class of '98
February 1st, 2013
2:41 pm
“How often, in your estimation, is Jay allowed to agree with someone before that person is no longer fairly considered a conservative?”
It seems Jay has pulled material from Brooks a lot lately. Like I mentioned earlier, if Jay were as eager to agree George Will, Charles Krauthammer or Jonah Goldberg, it would pique my interest more than consistently agreeing with the “conservative” David Brooks.
And maybe I’m missing your point about Coulter. Sleeping with liberal men makes her less of a conservative? I’ve slept with lots of hippie liberal chicks, after I made them shave their armpits and legs. It didn’t make me less conservative, trust me.
That Black Guy
February 1st, 2013
2:54 pm
Jay
February 1st, 2013
12:30 pm
“so its racist to state the fact that blacks are killing blacks in Chicago….”
Another way to put it is that people are killing people.
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Jay, although I don’t read kayaker’s posts because of his repeated racial undertones, why do you have a problem with him breaking down an activity into a sub class?
It’s done all the time. “Angry white male”, “dead white men”, “redneck”, “hillbilly”, ring a bell?
keith
February 1st, 2013
2:55 pm
No it has to do with every President has released their transcripts from college except one. While I am no fan of W, he was infinitely superior as President over the current fraud. I would think that we all would want to know MORE about the man in the White House, not LESS. But the less liberals know about their guy the better. The more they know about the other side the better. HYPOCRITES.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 1st, 2013
2:57 pm
‘98 — “It seems Jay has pulled material from Brooks a lot lately. Like I mentioned earlier, if Jay were as eager to agree George Will, Charles Krauthammer or Jonah Goldberg, it would pique my interest more than consistently agreeing with the “conservative” David Brooks.”
How about William F. Buckley?
Oh, that’s right. He was only the prime mover behind modern intellectual conservatism, but was generally rejected as a ‘conservative’ after he expressed disappointment over the war in Iraq. So I suppose he’s no longer a conservative by your yardstick?
“And maybe I’m missing your point about Coulter. Sleeping with liberal men makes her less of a conservative? I’ve slept with lots of hippie liberal chicks, after I made them shave their armpits and legs. It didn’t make me less conservative, trust me.”
You did miss my point. She won’t talk about it publicly, but she’s allegedly told some of her liberal boyfriends and paramours that her conservative harpy schtick is all an act designed to sell things and make money. If you pull up some Youtubes of her on Bill Maher’s show in the last few years (he’s one of the ones she’s slept with), you will see a VERY different attitude and behavior pattern from her than you’d see if she were on, for example, the Today show or a FNC program.
keith
February 1st, 2013
2:59 pm
wouldnt it be better for the black community if they learned to get along with each other better than they currently do? What percentage to they represent in American society? And what percentage do they represent in prison society? When 7 in 10 black births are to single women, theres serious problems in that community. And the billions spent on welfare have only enhanced the problems. Wasting even more money will do nothing. Welfare has been an abject failure.
keith
February 1st, 2013
3:02 pm
Liberals have controlled many places for decades. Who will argue that Chicago, Detroit, Atlanta, San Francisco are utopias even tho liberal policies have been implemented there for years? Anyone?
indigo
February 1st, 2013
3:11 pm
Jackie – 2:29
Yes
Jackie
February 1st, 2013
3:13 pm
One would have to look long and hard to see where liberals have controlled places like Chicago and Detroit for many decades. Chicago?; Detroit?
Jay
February 1st, 2013
3:15 pm
“No it has to do with every President has released their transcripts from college except one.
No, it has to do with the fact that Keith is once again making stuff up to defend a point he can’t otherwise defend.
Rommey didn’t release his transcripts. McCain didn’t release his transcripts. Ronald Reagan didn’t. Jimmy Carter didn’t. Neither GW Bush nor Al Gore, although the Washington Post obtained leaked copies of both. Same is true of John Kerry.
In fact, I can’t find a single president who DID release his college transcripts.
Jackie
February 1st, 2013
3:16 pm
@indigo
I think you have not taken into account their civil responsibilities have been taken care to the extent that they were allowed.
What is it that you perceive that blacks were being irresponsible about?
Jackie
February 1st, 2013
3:22 pm
@keith
You keep spouting those racially tinged charges that require examination below the surface.
When there was true “welfare” what ethnic group was the single largest representative of the welfare rolls and why were they there?
Blacks constitute roughly 16% of the US population and approximately 64% of the prison population is black men. Looking at it on its face, blacks are mostly criminals and America has not done enough to protect itself. Do you think we should raise the percentage of blacks in prison to 100% of the population? Please look at what they are in prison for and how the laws have been constructed to insure that they will go and stay in prison longer than their white counterparts.
Jackie
February 1st, 2013
3:25 pm
@keith
Forgot to provide you with some reading material that shows what the justice system is about.
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/news/2012/03/13/11351/the-top-10-most-startling-facts-about-people-of-color-and-criminal-justice-in-the-united-states/
Bubba
February 2nd, 2013
8:22 am
Money is the mother’s milk of politics. It will always find a way to flow through any rules that are made.