On immigration, it’s not just about the Latino vote
In the weeks ahead, the Republican Party is going to have itself a fine debate over immigration, with Florida Sen. Marco Rubio more or less betting his presidential ambitions on winning the argument. If he can’t convince enough Republicans to join him, his de facto support for amnesty will become a cannon ball chained to his leg in the race for the 2016 GOP nomination.
Personally, I hope Rubio is successful, because his success would mean that we actually accomplish something and put this problem behind us. But I have serious doubts.
His fellow Republican senator, David Vitter of Louisiana, this week called Rubio’s stance on immigration “nuts” and “amazingly naive,” all the while expressing his enormous admiration for his Florida colleague. House Republicans, a good indicator of the sentiment of the GOP base, don’t seem ready at all to embrace the Rubio solution. The editors at National Review dismissed it as well this week in a piece headlined “A Pointless Amnesty”:
“Call it ‘regularization,’ call it a ‘path to citizenship,’ it amounts to precisely the same thing: a decision to set aside the law and to ignore its violation.”
The folks at National Review also argue that “the idea that an amnesty is going to put Latinos squarely in the GOP tent is a fantasy.” Framed in those terms, they’re right. There are no conceivable circumstances in which the Latino vote is going to end up “squarely in the GOP tent.” However, a cessation of active hostility might, just might, allow the party to compete for some of those votes in the future.
The realization that the Latino vote might not be a natural GOP constituency after all has become a popular theme on the right, but it reflects a typically narrow way of thinking about the issue. Its implications for the overall GOP brand are much broader.
In a new CBS poll released this week, 71 percent of Americans say they support allowing illegal immigrants to remain here, with 51 percent saying they would support a path to citizenship. Only 24 percent of Americans take the GOP position that those immigrants must somehow be required to return home.
In other words, the GOP’s political problem on this issue is not by any means limited to Hispanic Americans. The GOP position toward the Latino minority mirrors its historic animosity to gay rights, affirmative action, minority voting protections, the Equal Rights Amendment for women and similar issues.
Each of those groups listens to GOP rhetoric on the Latino issue and it hears a powerful reminder of GOP indifference to its own struggles. If the GOP ends up scuttling comprehensive immigration reform, those non-Latino voters will view it as confirmation that the Grand Old Party isn’t changing, and that it has every intention of being more old than grand.
And unfortunately, they will be right to think that way.
– Jay Bookman
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Welcome to the Occupation
January 31st, 2013
4:46 pm
Towncrier: “I would wish to hire someone who has a proven track record of solving problems rather than creating them – which the government does NOT”
The government is not a “someone”. It’s a collective agency.
Government doesn’t have a track record of solving problems?
Where do you GET this crap?
DannyX
January 31st, 2013
4:46 pm
“Would Jesus shoot and blow up Christians crossing the border?”
td- Not part of this conversation.
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Sure it is. You don’t get to pick and choose your Jesus as weapon moments. Again, “Would Jesus shoot and blow up Christians crossing the border?” Would he use drones? Mines?
“Will pay for itself in Medicaid, education cost, hospital cost and other means tested entitlement programs”
That has to be your biggest lol moments yet, td.
How much is your 5,000 miles of fence going to cost? (We need to secure the Canadian border too, that’s how the 9/11 terrorists got in.) How are you going to make tamper proof?
guy
January 31st, 2013
4:47 pm
Towncrier, We have elected mainly lawyers to represent us in Washington and look where we are. Without discipline and common sense this nation is doomed. You can’t please everyone!
td
January 31st, 2013
4:47 pm
Regnad Kcin
January 31st, 2013
4:19 pm
““How much are you willing to add to the deficit?”
Will pay for itself in Medicaid, education cost, hospital cost and other means tested entitlement programs
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td – I have not seen this study. Can you please supply a link to the study that says, if we stop illegal immigration, it will pay for itself?
The state Republicans talked about the cost of supporting illegal immigrants when they passed the bill in Atlanta. I found this study and if you google it then there are quiet a few others:
” Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household.
Among the largest costs are Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion).
With nearly two-thirds of illegal aliens lacking a high school degree, the primary reason they create a fiscal deficit is their low education levels and resulting low incomes and tax payments, not their legal status or heavy use of most social services.
On average, the costs that illegal households impose on federal coffers are less than half that of other households, but their tax payments are only one-fourth that of other households.
Many of the costs associated with illegals are due to their American-born children, who are awarded U.S. citizenship at birth. Thus, greater efforts at barring illegals from federal programs will not reduce costs because their citizen children can continue to access them.
If illegal aliens were given amnesty and began to pay taxes and use services like households headed by legal immigrants with the same education levels, the estimated annual net fiscal deficit would increase from $2,700 per household to nearly $7,700, for a total net cost of $29 billion.
Costs increase dramatically because unskilled immigrants with legal status — what most illegal aliens would become — can access government programs, but still tend to make very modest tax payments.
Although legalization would increase average tax payments by 77 percent, average costs would rise by 118 percent.
The fact that legal immigrants with few years of schooling are a large fiscal drain does not mean that legal immigrants overall are a net drain — many legal immigrants are highly skilled.
The vast majority of illegals hold jobs. Thus the fiscal deficit they create for the federal government is not the result of an unwillingness to work.
The results of this study are consistent with a 1997 study by the National Research Council, which also found that immigrants’ education level is a key determinant of their fiscal impact. ”
http://www.cis.org/High-Cost-of-Cheap-Labor
skipper
January 31st, 2013
4:48 pm
What?? Nobody wants to go to North Korea and see “little dear leader” or whatever they call that fat-face dwarf?????????????????????
That Black Guy
January 31st, 2013
4:49 pm
the cat
January 31st, 2013
2:58 pm
doomy ignoring facts and making spit up. new day same doomy. just not relevant any longer.
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You seem to have a “thing” for Doomy.
Did he not call the next day like he promised he would?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 31st, 2013
4:49 pm
Let engineer-minded people come up with the viable solutions to problems and let the lawyers write the laws that stipulate those solutions
Because engineers know a lot about mens rea? What is the “intent” of an electron?
Thou shall not kill — simple law, right? But self-defense is okay? War is okay? How about letting someone starve to death? Or killing someone to save 10? Yes, I am sure the engineers can give us the black-white clear answers that others have struggled for 1000s of years to answer.
That Black Guy
January 31st, 2013
4:51 pm
Hey Kammie.
Are you out of data allotment he!!?
td
January 31st, 2013
4:52 pm
DannyX
January 31st, 2013
4:46 pm
Answered 6 or 7 of your questions and now await your answer to mine.
pogo
January 31st, 2013
4:54 pm
Jay is always wanting some GOP Senator or Representative or the other to buck their party and go with the liberals. Have you ever seen him encourage one of his beloved Dim’s to do the same? Nope, and you won’t see it either. Jay’s so transparent jelly fish seem absolutely dense in comparison. As occurs everyday, there is nothing here to be learned from either Jay or the people that particpate in his sad little circus. Just the same OLD crowd with the same OLD snarky talking points. Over and over and over again.
That Black Guy
January 31st, 2013
4:57 pm
DannyX
January 31st, 2013
3:10 pm
By the way, when it comes to securing the border North Korea style we are going to need about 1 million people. Lets hope Republicans pitch in this time and actually do some of the work. Our conservative friends sat out the Iraq war, literally. They ’sat’ on their butts blogging about how important it was for us to kill them over there so they wouldn’t kill us here.
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When I was over there, I was a conservative. So you can shove that line the same place you get you logic.
Your 3rd point of contact.
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 31st, 2013
4:59 pm
Keep
Maybe we can give all the engineers in India and China H1b’s to fix the gov’t that would surely fix the deficit.
SARCASM
Erwin's cat
January 31st, 2013
4:59 pm
TBG – thank you for your service
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 31st, 2013
4:59 pm
Have you ever seen him encourage one of his beloved Dim’s to do the same?
Yep. This has been another episode in correcting stupid false claims presented as factual.
Thulsa Doom
January 31st, 2013
4:59 pm
“North Korea keeps people out and keeps people from crossing their border because who in the hell wants to? Who’s dying to go live in North Korea?”- Brocephus
Completely irrelevant point. I’m not talking about keeping people in. I’m talking about keeping people from outside from coming in at will. I can’t make it any simpler for you.
“There is no way to secure the border 100% unless you make this country the worst possible place to live. To do that, you basically have to turn this country from one that has lots of freedom to one that has almost no freedom.”
I understand you can’t make the country 100% secure. I’m simply talking about making it so difficult in certain spots such as the southern border that illegal immigration is dramatically cut down to a trickle.
“Even if you put a million people along the borders, how do you stop people from legally entering and never leaving?”
I get that and again I’m not talking about stopping it completely- just getting a handle on things and especially the Southern border which is a joke. . But those people that overstay their visas eventually have to go through a routine traffic stop and at that point they are caught. Also I’m all for an e-verify work system that verifies people’s identity, heavily penalizes employers who hire illegals, and allows migrant workers to work here with a permit. If people can’t work here they will eventually leave.
I gotta head out for the evening. We’ll pick it up again later perhaps.
Itchy Finger
January 31st, 2013
5:00 pm
Looks like menendez has done the dirty…..
http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/31/dominican-prostitute-senator-bob-menendez-likes-the-youngest-and-newest-girls/
indigo
January 31st, 2013
5:01 pm
Brosephus – 4:25
I think he’s talking about people ILLEGALLY entering.
TBS
January 31st, 2013
5:01 pm
pogo
Yet you can’t help yourself from coming here to whine on a regular basis.
Says more about you then those you just posted about.
But do carry on.
That Black Guy
January 31st, 2013
5:04 pm
the cat
January 31st, 2013
3:17 pm
stands-ignore away. He knows what he said. Notice he always gets very quiet when asked about it.
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We *DO* notice that *YOU* will not back up your accusation about Doomy.
Doomy can be an azzhat sometimes, but it’s completely disgusting for you to lie about him the way you are.
indigo
January 31st, 2013
5:04 pm
Danny X – 4:46
We can wast billions of dollars fighting useless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan but can’t secure our own borders?
Is that what you’re saying?
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
January 31st, 2013
5:05 pm
A funny…
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The Wife’s Diary:
Tonight, I thought my husband was acting weird. We had made plans to meet at a nice restaurant for dinner. I was shopping with my friends all day long, so I thought he was upset at the fact that I was a bit late, but he made no comment on it. Conversation wasn’t flowing, so I suggested that we go somewhere quiet so we could talk. He agreed, but he didn’t say much.
I asked him what was wrong; He said, ‘Nothing..’ I asked him if it was my fault that he was upset. He said he wasn’t upset, that it had nothing to do with me, and not to worry about it. On the way home, I told him that I loved him. He smiled slightly, and kept driving. I can’t explain his behavior. I don’t know why he didn’t say, ‘I love you, too.’
When we got home, I felt as if I had lost him completely, as if he wanted nothing to do with me anymore. He just sat there quietly, and watched TV. He continued to seem distant and absent. Finally, with silence all around us, I decided to go to bed. About 15 minutes later, he came to bed. But I still felt that he was distracted, and his thoughts were somewhere else. He fell asleep; I cried. I don’t know what to do.. I’m almost sure that his thoughts are with someone else. My life is a disaster.
The Husbands Diary:
A two foot putt……….who the hell misses a two foot putt ?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 31st, 2013
5:05 pm
Thulsa Doom
January 31st, 2013
2:46 pm
“yeah, ’cause people are just FIGHTING to get into North Korea!”
Logic fail. They’re not FIGHTING to get in but they sure as hell are trying to get out. Missed that did ya?
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Thulsa Doom
January 31st, 2013
4:59 pm
“North Korea keeps people out and keeps people from crossing their border because who in the hell wants to? Who’s dying to go live in North Korea?”- Brocephus
Completely irrelevant point. I’m not talking about keeping people in. I’m talking about keeping people from outside from coming in at will. I can’t make it any simpler for you.
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And the circle is complete….. some people don’t know what they are saying. Can’t make it any simpler
josef
January 31st, 2013
5:05 pm
Which Latinos are we talking about?
Itchy Finger
January 31st, 2013
5:06 pm
Menendez has an itch he has to get a little girl to scratch…. He should resign immediately…
That Black Guy
January 31st, 2013
5:06 pm
deegee
January 31st, 2013
3:20 pm
Obama has been advocating for immigration reform for years. He is not a political opportunist. Marco Rubio on the other hand has been advocating against immigration reform up until the republican post mortem on the 2012 elections was read. He is a political opportunist of the most cynical nature.
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Could the same be said of Obama re: debt ceiling or same sex marrage?
Or can we say Rubio has “evolved”?
Erwin's cat
January 31st, 2013
5:06 pm
Which Latinos are we talking about?
the ones from Latin
Itchy Finger
January 31st, 2013
5:07 pm
The one and only dem Hispanic Senator is about to have to resign because of his horrific impulses… Looks like the dems will in the hunt for another token….
barking frog
January 31st, 2013
5:09 pm
Brosephus
You cannot explain anything to the obtuse, they must be ridiculed.
That Black Guy
January 31st, 2013
5:09 pm
TBS
January 31st, 2013
3:21 pm
EC
I opened it as well. I thought it was intentional
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Common Sense isn't very Common
January 31st, 2013
5:09 pm
Josef
Which Latinos are we talking about?
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I’m thinking the hordes from Ecuador
pogo
January 31st, 2013
5:11 pm
For one who makes his living with a pen (or a keyboard) I would think that one of his/her biggest horrors would be to run out of ideas and to become totally predictable. Jay became this way a long time ago. Anyone that reads him knows his tactics for conveying his political prejudices and they pretty much know the content that he will write about. His topics are almost cyclical (kind of like the lunar cycle). As far as I can tell Jay has about 9 or 10 anti-conservative topics from which he draws from again and again. He may offer variants of these topics but he always return to those. It just goes to show that in this great nation a person can have not much real talent and still make a living.
Erwin's cat
January 31st, 2013
5:13 pm
Corbin,
A guy hits his tee shot and he slices it hard enough to go off course and onto the local highway, the ball crashes thru the windshield of a school bus driver knocking him out, and the bus crashes in a firey blaze killing all on board. The shocked golfer runs to the clubhouse and tells the golf pro the story.
The pro looks at him for a few second sand says “If you just rotate your grip a little clockwise you’ll be good to go”
DannyX
January 31st, 2013
5:14 pm
“When I was over there, I was a conservative. So you can shove that line the same place you get you logic.”
Good for you That Black Guy! I mean that.
While you were there, there were thousands here talking big, but doing nothing, even as people like you were on multiple deployments. The Young Republican groups on college campuses were notorious for their big talk, of course they thought their education was more important. One guy on the Wooten blog was about to get married, he said it wouldn’t be fair to his fiance to go to Iraq. Others thought their careers were too important. Some of the gung ho keyboard warriors claimed they were doing more good blogging about the war than fighting. Some said they didn’t want to interrupt their careers.
For every one of you there were 100,000 that couldn’t be bothered. I witnessed it first hand. We were being told by these conservatives every day how important the Iraq war was, but when it came right down to it most every single one of them didn’t want to interrupt and risk their own lives. They left that to you.
Oscar
January 31st, 2013
5:18 pm
Committees in the legislature have herings and listen expects in the field before laws are written. and they hear from and listen to lobbyists, and the voters who elected them.
Don’t know of a better system.
That Black Guy
January 31st, 2013
5:20 pm
indigo
January 31st, 2013
3:22 pm
Erwin’s cat – 2:59
Actually, “the cat” posted that, not me.
For my part, I’m more than willing for you to “keep and bear” the type of guns in use when the 2nd ammendment was written.
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Using that logic, do you support “the freedom of the press” protected under the 1st ammendment being limited to the type of “press” in use when the 1st was written?
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
January 31st, 2013
5:20 pm
Erwin’s cat
January 31st, 2013
5:13 pm
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 31st, 2013
5:24 pm
Jay must be busy trying to find some Ga. legislators with ethics
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 31st, 2013
5:26 pm
Looks like the dems will in the hunt for another token….
“And how do we know they are a “token” ” said the one republican black appointed senator from SC?
Token talk is cheap nonsense
indigo
January 31st, 2013
5:28 pm
That Black Guy – 5:20
Freedom of the press meant, then and now, print freedom.
And, then and now, that is what we have.
We also have “freedom of speech” which covers all other “press” and TV, Radio, etc. etc. which were not in existence during the 1800’s.
td
January 31st, 2013
5:28 pm
I see non of the progressives have any comments about the cost of illegal immigration.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 31st, 2013
5:28 pm
Common, instead of giving them H1B’s why not just outsource the legal work to them just like all the other job creators expanding the economy.
Look before I leap...
January 31st, 2013
5:29 pm
“Jay must be busy trying to find some Ga. legislators with ethics”
It’s easy actually:
Just stand in the doorway to the chamber and holler out ” There are LOBBYISTS in the rotunda with Super Bowl tickets!”
The ones who keep their seats are probably pretty clean
getalife
January 31st, 2013
5:30 pm
Pogo’s endless whining makes me smile
josef
January 31st, 2013
5:30 pm
ERWIN
Preme tres, et hoc nuntio in latine audis.
DannyX
January 31st, 2013
5:32 pm
“We can wast billions of dollars fighting useless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan but can’t secure our own borders?
Is that what you’re saying?”
Far from it, Indigo. I didn’t support the Iraq war at all, and think we need to get out of Afghanistan.
I want to know how much money people like td, Morality, Towncrier and guy, want to spend on securing the borders. They have stated many times that our deficit is the biggest problem facing this country and they also don’t want to raise taxes. Securing the border “100%” like they want will cost $100’s of billions of dollars and require a huge force and recurring cost. It would be impossible to secure the borders the way they want without adding a significant amount to the deficit.
These same people bring up their Christian faith, some of them daily. I also want to know how they reconcile blowing up fellow Christians trying to cross the border with their faith.
Republicans got us into 2 unfunded wars. Now they want a border war that will be costly with no funding. Here we go again.
Oscar
January 31st, 2013
5:33 pm
common at 5:24 – that could take a while. we may not see him for weeks
josef
January 31st, 2013
5:33 pm
COMMON SENSE
“I’m thinking the hordes from Ecuador”
Well, we might need to keep an eye on them..They could knock the South out of its number one spot, .eh BROSEPHUS?
Oscar
January 31st, 2013
5:35 pm
td – if people did not hire them, they would not come.
josef
January 31st, 2013
5:35 pm
DANNY
“These same people bring up their Christian faith, some of them daily. I also want to know how they reconcile blowing up fellow Christians trying to cross the border with their faith.”
‘Cause, they ain’t Christians…they Papists…don’t you know nothin?
indigo
January 31st, 2013
5:36 pm
Danny X – 5:32
Engaging in two useless wars and defending our borders is NOT the same thing. And, a solid defence of our borders is not likely to provoke a war with Mexico or any other Latin country.
td
January 31st, 2013
5:38 pm
Oscar
January 31st, 2013
5:35 pm
td – if people did not hire them, they would not come.
And I also support hefty fines on companies that hire illegals on the first offense and jail time for the CEO on a second offense.
td
January 31st, 2013
5:40 pm
DannyX
January 31st, 2013
5:32 pm
Just pure BS coming from you since you refuse to answer my question and more then likely did not read the study I posted.
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 31st, 2013
5:43 pm
josef
‘Cause, they ain’t Christians…they Papists…don’t you know nothin?
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That’s why they Latins, don’t you know nuttin
Brosephus™
January 31st, 2013
5:46 pm
“North Korea keeps people out and keeps people from crossing their border because who in the hell wants to? Who’s dying to go live in North Korea?”- Brocephus
Completely irrelevant point. I’m not talking about keeping people in. I’m talking about keeping people from outside from coming in at will. I can’t make it any simpler for you.
OH MY FREAKIN’GOODNESS!!!!!
Are you purposefully being obtuse, or is my English just that bad? What part of people not dying to GO LIVE IN Korea deals with people already living there? Forget it. I give up trying to explain.
indigo
I know what he was talking about. That’s why I asked him what people are trying to go live in North Korea. I said nothing about people already living there. How many cases have you heard of where people were trying to sneak into NK to live and work?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 31st, 2013
5:46 pm
The U.S. spent $18 billion on immigration enforcement in the 2012 fiscal year, which is more than every other federal law enforcement agency combined.
– Border crossings are at 40-year low: At the same time, illegal border crossings have dropped to their lowest level since the Nixon administration, and net undocumented migration is at or below zero. Meanwhile, annual deportations at a historic high.
– Most parts of the border are already secure: Even with fewer people apprehended at the border, border agents now patrol every single mile of the border every day. The vast majority of the border already meets one of Homeland Security’s highest standards of security, and there are 21,370 agents, along with six unmanned aircraft systems.
So how much more is needed?
josef
January 31st, 2013
5:46 pm
Common Sense…
Well, now that you bring it up…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 31st, 2013
5:47 pm
Bro, did you see my 5:05?
josef
January 31st, 2013
5:48 pm
GOOD FIGHT
“So how much more is needed?”
Drones!
Oscar
January 31st, 2013
5:49 pm
td – I agree with that. That would cure the problem with illegals – fast.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 31st, 2013
5:49 pm
You know, just looking at that Rubio pic above. He’s a handsome enough guy. He better get started before that hairline recedes any further. The window’s closing. A generation of female conservative faithful expect their hunky conservative savior! Yayess!! PRAISE!!
Oscar
January 31st, 2013
5:50 pm
Keep – how much more will it take to stop it?
Aquagirl
January 31st, 2013
5:51 pm
Are you purposefully being obtuse, or is my English just that bad?
This is why I don’t cry for Doomy when he’s accused of cheering for target practice on children or whatever. He’s so intent on his trolling he can end up saying insane stuff.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 31st, 2013
5:51 pm
josef, already there…. the only thing missing are those smart mines that keep the fetus alive when the pregnant “illegal” comes in to have that anchor baby.
Oscar
January 31st, 2013
5:51 pm
Welcome – worked for John Kennedy
josef
January 31st, 2013
5:54 pm
Good Fight
Oscar
January 31st, 2013
5:54 pm
josef – drones or crones?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 31st, 2013
5:55 pm
Oscar, well for 3 easy payments of $19.99…
Have we stopped all murders? all speeding? Is anything ever 100%? Why now they can just parachute in from almost space.
Shylock, Loanshark Extraordinaire
January 31st, 2013
5:55 pm
“Cause, they ain’t Christians…they Papists…don’t you know nothin?”
Oy vey, these goyim.
Brosephus™
January 31st, 2013
5:55 pm
josef @ 5:33
Yep!!!
Crazy Cracker
January 31st, 2013
5:59 pm
“This is why I don’t cry for Doomy when he’s accused of cheering for target practice on children or whatever.”
Yeah…some must think he stupidly wants to kill kids after they are born rather than when they are still in the womb.
Brosephus™
January 31st, 2013
5:59 pm
Keep
I saw it. I’m at a loss for words. I thought my point was easily understandable, but maybe I need to work on my English.
DannyX
January 31st, 2013
6:00 pm
“Just pure BS coming from you since you refuse to answer my question and more then likely did not read the study I posted.”
td, your $10 billion a year savings is a drop in the bucket, even the $30 billion figure is a joke A border fence and drones will require hundreds of billions of dollars and require huge amounts of recurring expenses. Plus you really have two fences to build if you are really serious about securing the borders.
The fence Bush started to build is a total flop. It has been easy to get through, and doesn’t run through large swaths of important politically connected property.
Do you have any idea what your Christian killing drone air force will cost? How much for the fences. How much for maintenance? Yearly personnel costs?
Fred ™
January 31st, 2013
6:00 pm
AU REVOIR
indigo
January 31st, 2013
6:01 pm
Brosephus – 5:46
I’m not talking about people sneaking into North Korea.
I’m talking about people sneaking into the US.
josef
January 31st, 2013
6:02 pm
OSCAR
Well, Mama’s scones would’ve been an effective weapon, too…
SHYLOCK
indigo
January 31st, 2013
6:02 pm
Danny X
We have the most powerful Military on Earth.
And yet, we can’t afford to protect our own borders?
Brother
January 31st, 2013
6:03 pm
Thank You President Obama for the planes, tanks and the money! We will use it against our enemy!
Crazy Cracker
January 31st, 2013
6:04 pm
“Are you purposefully being obtuse, or is my English just that bad?”
A false dichotomy. There are other possibilities. He could be unintentionally obtuse (as could you), his reading comprehension may be bad, both of you could be dreaming and your debate is not actually happening and so on.
Brosephus™
January 31st, 2013
6:06 pm
indigo
Please go back and read the exchange between Doom and myself. I don’t have the energy or patience to go through this again.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 31st, 2013
6:07 pm
Bro, it’s a blog form of ODS directed at anything “not con”. It’s not the first time. It won’t be the last. The point for that poster is to attack something at any cost. You tried to make sense with stupidity. Can’t be done.
Peace
January 31st, 2013
6:07 pm
Why does this immigration debate only focus on Latinos? It should be inclusive of ‘illegal’ immigrants from other parts of the world … Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt, Iran, Libya, Iraq, etc. Seems that anything less than equal treatment would be a form of liberal discrimination.
Crazy Cracker
January 31st, 2013
6:08 pm
“Welcome – worked for John Kennedy”
What is that? Having sex with a different woman every 3 days until you get “capped”?
That Black Guy
January 31st, 2013
6:09 pm
Bro @ 1628 –
Crazy Cracker
January 31st, 2013
6:09 pm
“Why does this immigration debate only focus on Latinos? It should be inclusive of ‘illegal’ immigrants from other parts of the world … Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt, Iran, Libya, Iraq, etc. Seems that anything less than equal treatment would be a form of liberal discrimination.”
I know, right? We really need to do something about the 20 million Iranians here illegally…
Brosephus™
January 31st, 2013
6:09 pm
Keep
I’m stealing those last two sentences.
indigo
January 31st, 2013
6:10 pm
I just saw coverage of a shooting today at Price Middle School in Atlanta.
Apparently, all, or almost all the students there are Black.
I wonder how much money our country has spent, over the years, to enforce integration?
Oh well. Lucky we are such a rich country and have such a strong economy and so little unemployment and so few homeless and such a strong healthcare system and such a strong infrastructure.
Oscar
January 31st, 2013
6:11 pm
Keep – Do those three easy paayments include shipping and handing?
DannyX
January 31st, 2013
6:11 pm
“Having sex with a different woman every 3 days until you get “capped”?”
Is that anything like Sen Vitter? Having sex with a prostitute every 3 days while wearing a “crapped” in diaper?
Welcome to the Occupation
January 31st, 2013
6:11 pm
Don’t you just love those two post days?
Crazy Cracker
January 31st, 2013
6:11 pm
“You tried to make sense with stupidity. Can’t be done.”
Congress says “What”?
Mama Says
January 31st, 2013
6:12 pm
ok this issue and others like it have two aspects, and we all know it.
There is the political perspective and the personal feelings perspective.
Like every other issue the democrats have managed to put themselves on the “right” side of the personal perspective while worrying about the political outcome.
Cons have yet to master the ability to argue for illegal activity and label the libs as the bad guy for wanting law and order. The libs have made a living by this tatic.
Take Gun control, Every lib is fully aware that the constitutional issue on guns is the sticky point in that entire debate. They know that the courts have already ruled on the gun issues and they know that a vast majority of their own party supports gun rights. Hell Reid as a statement from the NRA on his website. Yet they still put forth the “we love our kids” argument. They imply that cons wont street justice and that we couldnt care les about mass shootings. All while they knowthey cannot take the guns from the law abiding citizens. therefore they are engaging in BS for political reasons. they do this while at the same time arguing for lesser penalties for the law breakers, and of course that means they can argue that cons hate black people because we want harsher penalties. While all this BS is spewed by the libs they surround themselves with arm guards and send thier kids to guarded private schools. No white suburban lib will entire the downtown area without a car full of friends and certainly would never enter the inter city alone. All while calling cons racists.
the fact is immigration, yet another illegal act when not done properly, is just like the other issues. Scare the illegals (and thereby their legal familiy members) into thinking they are hated by main stream cons. Make our hate the issue and continue to support what youi know is an illegal act. The personal side of immigration is diffucult to deal with, without a doubt. Yet even in that perspective it snot the cons who decided to migrate illegally ! Libs hold cons responsible for every facet of illegal immigrations impact. You want us to bear the responsibility of “the entire family”, “oves ones left behind” and the fact illegals have to live in “the shadows”. None of these would be factors if the laws were followed, and most libs know this. As far as broken families go I do have empathy but I did not make the decision that broke them apart. The factors that played in that are unquestionably in the pervue of the government which represents the country that they come from. Like our founders illegals may need to take these humanity issues up with the governments they are fleeing and not republicans in this country.
Crazy Cracker
January 31st, 2013
6:12 pm
“Is that anything like Sen Vitter? Having sex with a prostitute every 3 days while wearing a “crapped” in diaper?”
I don’t know. I will defer to your expertise…
Oscar
January 31st, 2013
6:13 pm
Josef – I was having lunch with Jewish frind I had known for 35 years. He asked me whatt were those stones that Englishmen eat. I guess scones were not part of his culture. Well, he was from Birmingham, Alabama.
Oscar
January 31st, 2013
6:14 pm
Danny – with Kennedy it was more like three women on each different day
Crazy Cracker
January 31st, 2013
6:17 pm
“I wonder how much money our country has spent, over the years, to enforce integration?”
Is it as much as the money spent on the USPS or Amtrak?
That Black Guy
January 31st, 2013
6:22 pm
indigo
January 31st, 2013
5:28 pm
That Black Guy – 5:20
We also have “freedom of speech” which covers all other “press” and TV, Radio, etc. etc. which were not in existence during the 1800’s.
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Using your logic, they should not be protected, since they didn’t exist when it was written.
Like the AR 15…
josef
January 31st, 2013
6:22 pm
PEACE
And from some perspectives, it’s been going on at least since 1492….
Soothsayer
January 31st, 2013
6:25 pm
See, there’s a lot of things we can all agree on!
josef
January 31st, 2013
6:26 pm
OSCAR
Tell him they’re what folks in that other Birmingham call call cat’s head biscuits…more elegant sounding, but it’s still a cat’s head biscuit
Lucky, Fortunate, Blessed -- tell that to my parent's sacrifice, my student loans, my many years of undergrad, grad, and professional school...
January 31st, 2013
6:28 pm
“If you’re lucky enough, and fortunate enough, and been blessed enough to be in the other two percent, the top two percent, you still get a tax cut for your first $250,000 of income,” Obama said during a campaign stop in Council Bluffs, Iowa. “All we’re saying is after that, maybe you can do a little bit more to help pay down this deficit and invest in things like education that help our economy grow.”