On immigration, it’s not just about the Latino vote
In the weeks ahead, the Republican Party is going to have itself a fine debate over immigration, with Florida Sen. Marco Rubio more or less betting his presidential ambitions on winning the argument. If he can’t convince enough Republicans to join him, his de facto support for amnesty will become a cannon ball chained to his leg in the race for the 2016 GOP nomination.
Personally, I hope Rubio is successful, because his success would mean that we actually accomplish something and put this problem behind us. But I have serious doubts.
His fellow Republican senator, David Vitter of Louisiana, this week called Rubio’s stance on immigration “nuts” and “amazingly naive,” all the while expressing his enormous admiration for his Florida colleague. House Republicans, a good indicator of the sentiment of the GOP base, don’t seem ready at all to embrace the Rubio solution. The editors at National Review dismissed it as well this week in a piece headlined “A Pointless Amnesty”:
“Call it ‘regularization,’ call it a ‘path to citizenship,’ it amounts to precisely the same thing: a decision to set aside the law and to ignore its violation.”
The folks at National Review also argue that “the idea that an amnesty is going to put Latinos squarely in the GOP tent is a fantasy.” Framed in those terms, they’re right. There are no conceivable circumstances in which the Latino vote is going to end up “squarely in the GOP tent.” However, a cessation of active hostility might, just might, allow the party to compete for some of those votes in the future.
The realization that the Latino vote might not be a natural GOP constituency after all has become a popular theme on the right, but it reflects a typically narrow way of thinking about the issue. Its implications for the overall GOP brand are much broader.
In a new CBS poll released this week, 71 percent of Americans say they support allowing illegal immigrants to remain here, with 51 percent saying they would support a path to citizenship. Only 24 percent of Americans take the GOP position that those immigrants must somehow be required to return home.
In other words, the GOP’s political problem on this issue is not by any means limited to Hispanic Americans. The GOP position toward the Latino minority mirrors its historic animosity to gay rights, affirmative action, minority voting protections, the Equal Rights Amendment for women and similar issues.
Each of those groups listens to GOP rhetoric on the Latino issue and it hears a powerful reminder of GOP indifference to its own struggles. If the GOP ends up scuttling comprehensive immigration reform, those non-Latino voters will view it as confirmation that the Grand Old Party isn’t changing, and that it has every intention of being more old than grand.
And unfortunately, they will be right to think that way.
– Jay Bookman
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DannyX
January 31st, 2013
2:26 pm
“Do you mean like Bob Menendez?”
Lets see if he gets re-elected like Sen Vitter (R)
Both parties are going to get caught doing nasty things. In fact even Christian leaders like Bakker, Haggard, Rekers, and Swaggert will get caught. The next one to get caught could very well be a Republican, one thing is certain, it will happen again.
The difference? Democrats don’t call themselves the “family values” party.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 31st, 2013
2:26 pm
Do you mean like Bob Menendez?
http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/31/dominican-prostitute-senator-bob-menendez-likes-the-youngest-and-newest-girls/
At least when us Dems have a sex scandal there is actually a woman in there somewhere.
Remember Larry Craig ?
That Black Guy
January 31st, 2013
2:26 pm
JF McNamara
January 31st, 2013
9:48 am
You’ve made the dumbest comment I’ve ever read. Dems didn’t scare Black people. – That’s right. Some dems use emotional rhetoric to convince some Blacks to vote for them.
Republicans continually push Blacks away. – Even the Black repubs?
What issue have the Republicans held in the last 50 years that would help level the playing field for Blacks? – Civil rights amendment, voting rights
Black people aren’t stupid. – Some are.
They vote in their best interest. – Sometimes they don’t.
Its almost ALWAYS best for them to vote Democrat. – No, it’s almost ALWAYS best for them to vote for a person, NOT a party, else that vote is taken for granted. BOTH parties need to have to FIGHT for the Black vote.
If it is in their best interest, they vote Republican. All of the rich Black people do. – The Obama’s, Oprah, Spike Lee, Jay Z, Tyler Perry, Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, Farrakan, et al vote republican? Who knew?
Thulsa Doom
January 31st, 2013
2:27 pm
“Because it will NEVER be completely secure,”
Interesting. One of the poorest countries in the world in North Korea keeps its border secured, the former Soviet Union largely kept the longest border in the world secure, but we can’t keep one section of border secure. Hmm.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 31st, 2013
2:29 pm
The difference? Democrats don’t call themselves the “family values” party.
Exactly.
Someone said it the other day but another parallel is MSNBC vs Fox
Both are very biased.
The difference. MSNBC doesn’t hide it.
Fox goes on and on about being Fair and Balanced etc etc.
When they know they aren’t.
I guess conservatives just enjoy being lied to.
That or they are too dumb to know any better.
Thulsa Doom
January 31st, 2013
2:29 pm
“At least when us Dems have a sex scandal there is actually a woman in there somewhere.”
And cheesy grits unwittingly makes a joke that suggests there is something wrong with gay relationships.
H O M O P H O B E !
the cat
January 31st, 2013
2:31 pm
So all you gun toting and stroking types-another school shooting, this time in Atlanta. You all proud of yourselves?
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 31st, 2013
2:31 pm
One of the poorest countries in the world in North Korea keeps its border secured,
Another lie.
People get out all the time. There are 30,000 or so estimated North Koreans living in Seoul alone.
Along the Chines border people cross over all the time to get food etc.
The border guards can be bribed with cigarettes.
Almost everything you say Thulsa is the exact opposite of reality.
You might want to find another hobby.
Towncrier
January 31st, 2013
2:31 pm
“And there you have it folks. The REAL reason for insisting on a “secure border” first. Because it will NEVER be completely secure, so a path to citizenship can be delayed indefinitely because it will ALWAYS be possible to say “the border isn’t secure enough”
That is not what I would say. I have no problem with having LOTS of MEXICAN immigrants coming to our country (I have a Hispanic wife for Pete’s sake). My problem is with 1) people “jumping in line” ahead of others and pretending that is not wrong – really wrong 2) American employers cheating by hiring (really, exploiting) them as cheap labor, immigration laws be damned and 3) stupid politicians who have not, even after decades, figured out a way to legally accommodate the need for cheap labor and the desire for many of our Mexican friends “south of the border” to come and work for 2-3 years stretches at a time with the prospect of becoming Americans should they prove to be “good citizens”.
indigo
January 31st, 2013
2:31 pm
Erwin’s cat – 1:18
You may be sure Obama consulted with White House lawers before making those appointments.
You may also be sure this will wind up in the Supreme Court.
If Obama wins, will you say he acually did follow the Constitution?
the cat
January 31st, 2013
2:33 pm
Cheesay Grits-you are kinder than me. I call it lying.
Almost everything you say Thulsa is the exact opposite of reality
Towncrier
January 31st, 2013
2:33 pm
“And cheesy grits unwittingly makes a joke that suggests there is something wrong with gay relationships.”
LOL.
Thulsa Doom
January 31st, 2013
2:33 pm
“Fox goes on and on about being Fair and Balanced etc etc.
When they know they aren’t.’
Nope. When you watch the hard news of someone like Shepard Smith on Fox there’s not much difference if any between the regular hard news he is covering and that of the other cable or network news outlets.
Now if you’re talking about Hannity, Oreilly, the Five, of course there is a bias and there is no attempt to hide that. Difference is that on those shows Hannity, Oreilly have opposing points of view on their shows every night to debate them. Cheesy must have missed that. And the five always has a liberal voice on it in Bob Beckel.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 31st, 2013
2:33 pm
So all you gun toting and stroking types-another school shooting, this time in Atlanta. You all proud of yourselves?
They dont really care how many people die.
Its all about them you see. And their rights.
Other people dont matter.
Doggone/GA
January 31st, 2013
2:34 pm
“Lib mind readers at work again”
It’s a fair trade. You used your con mind reading on Jay
Regnad Kcin
January 31st, 2013
2:34 pm
“Interesting. One of the poorest countries in the world in North Korea keeps its border secured”
I’ll bet NK spends a slightly larger percentage of its federal budget on “border control.” Are you advocating that the US match them?
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 31st, 2013
2:35 pm
Nope. When you watch the hard news of someone like Shepard Smith on Fox there’s not much difference if any between the regular hard news he is covering and that of the other cable or network news outlets.
Kool Aid officially drank.
Go on your way maam.
Im through with you.
indigo
January 31st, 2013
2:36 pm
Towncrier – 1:42 “I remember when I had my first beer”
Since you are still underage, I would keep quiet about that.
alittlecommonsense
January 31st, 2013
2:36 pm
Someone said it the other day but another parallel is AJC vs Fox
Both are very biased.
The difference. Fox doesn’t hide it.
*Fixed.
Towncrier
January 31st, 2013
2:37 pm
“Interesting. One of the poorest countries in the world in North Korea keeps its border secured, the former Soviet Union largely kept the longest border in the world secure, but we can’t keep one section of border secure. Hmm.”
Well, I suspect they also are not shy about firing weapons when needed. And illegal immigration to them IS a crime. But, hey, like Jay says – we don’t do such things because “we’re Americans” (as if that statement had some kind of inherent logic or validity).
Towncrier
January 31st, 2013
2:39 pm
“Since you are still underage, I would keep quiet about that.”
Since you are unable to recognize allusions, I would keep quiet about that.
Look before I leap...
January 31st, 2013
2:40 pm
” Are you of the belief that voter fraud was not a significant part of election?”
I don’t have any information into how significant it was – if you do, please share.
My math tells me it was not decisive.
As for voter ID – I don’t have issues with the concept. However, the timing, manner and impetus behind some legislation passed by some of the states gives me great pause.
Laws that are designed to dis-enfranchise legally entitled voters by creating administrative and cost barriers are inherently immoral and illegal.
DannyX
January 31st, 2013
2:41 pm
“Well, I suspect they also are not shy about firing weapons when needed. And illegal immigration to them IS a crime. But, hey, like Jay says – we don’t do such things because “we’re Americans” (as if that statement had some kind of inherent logic or validity).”
Right Towncrier, as a Christian nation Jesus would want us to shoot our Christian neighbors that try to cross the border. We should do it not because we are Americans but because we are Christians.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 31st, 2013
2:41 pm
More inane defense of Faux news with the idiot “time slot” pundit v “news” fake defense. Time and time again proven wrong. So much so that even a non-news source like Stewart can prove it wrong with a few clips. [Now cue the claims of the real stupid that "libs get their news from Jon Stewart in 3...2...1...]
Thulsa Doom
January 31st, 2013
2:41 pm
“Another lie.
People get out all the time. There are 30,000 or so estimated North Koreans living in Seoul alone.”
Nope. I didn’t say nobody ever gets through. I said the border is secure and for the most part it is. There are only 20,000 to 30,000 North Koreans living in China which is the typical escape route. Some North Koreans do manage to escape but very few of them. 30,000 of them over 60 or 70 years of dictatorship isn’t many and that means their border is largely secure. Contrast that with the U.S. which has an estimated 12 to 20 million or more illegals depending on who you listen to.
As usual cheesy needs some help understanding scale, scope and perspective.
Doggone/GA
January 31st, 2013
2:42 pm
“Interesting. One of the poorest countries in the world in North Korea keeps its border secured”
yeah, ’cause people are just FIGHTING to get into North Korea!
Thulsa Doom
January 31st, 2013
2:43 pm
Oh lordy. All the Fox news haters coming out of the woodworks. You would think the kooks would be happy with 3 network news channels and CNN and MSNBC all being liberal. I guess 1 against 5 still aint a fair fight and they still whine and cry about Fox news. Too funny.
Morality?
January 31st, 2013
2:44 pm
“It’s not just about the Latino vote with the Dems” ……… but that is mostly what it is about. That is obvious when Obama balks at agreeing to defend the USA borders in exchange for “immigration reform (amnesty).
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 31st, 2013
2:45 pm
One of the poorest countries in the world in North Korea keeps its border secured, the former Soviet Union largely kept the longest border in the world secure, but we can’t keep one section of border secure
Any proof that they are “secure”…. Perhaps the DMZ is “secure” because we and the South Koreans have troops stationed there, but I understand kids and others have strayed across the other “secured” borders.
Now how do you “secure” the borders so that those illegal Fillipinos don’t get in?
Thulsa Doom
January 31st, 2013
2:46 pm
“yeah, ’cause people are just FIGHTING to get into North Korea!”
Logic fail. They’re not FIGHTING to get in but they sure as hell are trying to get out. Missed that did ya? But very few have though because once again their border is largely secured. If only 30,000 or so have made it out over the past 60-70 years then that’s roughly 1 every other day making it out.
Morality?
January 31st, 2013
2:46 pm
“1 against 5″ – Dems prefer NONE against 5. That is their goal – to silence all differing opinions.
the cat
January 31st, 2013
2:46 pm
doomy be stoopid or clueless. Contrast how many people live in Mexico vs. North Korea. 115 million in Mexico, 14 million in North Korea.
Did you graduate high school doomy? you are embarassing yourself.
td
January 31st, 2013
2:46 pm
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 31st, 2013
2:29 pm
The difference? Democrats don’t call themselves the “family values” party.
Exactly.
Someone said it the other day but another parallel is MSNBC vs Fox
Both are very biased.
The difference. MSNBC doesn’t hide it.
Fox goes on and on about being Fair and Balanced etc etc.
When they know they aren’t.
I guess conservatives just enjoy being lied to.
That or they are too dumb to know any better.
Total BS. Fox actually has hard news shows and their opinion shows have many frequent guests that provide the views of the administration or progressive views. MSNBC has no hard news. It is all opinion and since they fired Pat Buchanan they have no actual conservatives on their opinion shows.
Yes, Fox gives a middle right viewpoint but MSNBC is totally in the pocket of the left and can not be compared to Fox. CNN would be a better example (of a middle left leaning a little more to the left then Fox to the right) of similar news channels.
Towncrier
January 31st, 2013
2:47 pm
“The difference? Democrats don’t call themselves the “family values” party.”
No…they certainly do not – at least not families comprised of aborted fetuses and marked by biologically normal sexual relationships and/or genders. SNL should do a skit on abortion clinics like they did on meat processing plants years ago – kill you own baby (to save money). You find it! You kill it! You dispose of it!
Morality?
January 31st, 2013
2:48 pm
New definition of “HATERS” – anyone that doesn’t agree with the radical left.
the cat
January 31st, 2013
2:49 pm
I choked on td writing fox has hard news shows!!!! the only thing hard is your gun watching that idiot gretchen.
Mr_B
January 31st, 2013
2:50 pm
“Nope. I didn’t say nobody ever gets through. I said the border is secure and for the most part it is. There are only 20,000 to 30,000 North Koreans living in China which is the typical escape route.”
OK TD, how many US national escaped during the same time period?
And just who (other than maybe the CIA) would want to sneak into the DPK?
Towncrier
January 31st, 2013
2:51 pm
“Right Towncrier, as a Christian nation Jesus would want us to shoot our Christian neighbors that try to cross the border. We should do it not because we are Americans but because we are Christians.”
Right DX, as if you really give a flip about Christian values. And, just in case you didn’t know, Jesus was crucified, Stephen was stoned to death, John the Baptist was beheaded, many early Christians were fed to wild beasts and so on.
TaxPayer
January 31st, 2013
2:51 pm
Some cons appear to have a problem accepting God’s will–abortions.
RB from Gwinnett
January 31st, 2013
2:51 pm
Regnad, “RB – I tell you this, then. Being “illegal” is not a “crime.” ”
Ah, yes, another dimwit trying to challenge the informed with garbage he hear on a blog somewhere….
Let me learn you something child. If you have a VISA that allows you to be here, the visa expires and you remain, that is a misdemeaner. If you enter the country illegally and are here, that is a crime.
Now, Regnad, unless you can convice anybody with any semblance of a brain that all those Mexicans this conversation is really about are actually here on expired visa’s and not having wandered across the border in the dark of night, they’re criminals who have broken the law.
We’ll wait patiently for your thoughtful response.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 31st, 2013
2:51 pm
Dang that Morning Joe for being soooooo radical left!!!!!
Morality?
January 31st, 2013
2:51 pm
Let’s get honest here……. the Pelosi/Obama plan for “immigration reform can be summed up wiith one word – AMNESTY (with no strings attached).
td
January 31st, 2013
2:52 pm
Look before I leap…
January 31st, 2013
2:40 pm
” Are you of the belief that voter fraud was not a significant part of election?”
I don’t have any information into how significant it was – if you do, please share.
My math tells me it was not decisive.
As for voter ID – I don’t have issues with the concept. However, the timing, manner and impetus behind some legislation passed by some of the states gives me great pause.
Laws that are designed to dis-enfranchise legally entitled voters by creating administrative and cost barriers are inherently immoral and illegal.
Many courts (including the SCOTUS) have ruled that requiring a picture id is not illegal.
Jefferson
January 31st, 2013
2:53 pm
Fox watchers deserve Fox, bunch of sourpusses.
indigo
January 31st, 2013
2:53 pm
Towncrier – 2:39
I don’t think “I remember when I had my first beer” quite qualifies for an “allusion” here.
http://examples.yourdictionary.com/examples/examples-of-allusion.html
Brosephus™
January 31st, 2013
2:53 pm
Interesting. One of the poorest countries in the world in North Korea keeps its border secured, the former Soviet Union largely kept the longest border in the world secure, but we can’t keep one section of border secure. Hmm.
Whenever you’re ready to live under the conditions like those two examples, I’m sure we can achieve that secure border that you so desire.
Towncrier
January 31st, 2013
2:53 pm
“Oh lordy. All the Fox news haters coming out of the woodworks. You would think the kooks would be happy with 3 network news channels and CNN and MSNBC all being liberal. I guess 1 against 5 still aint a fair fight and they still whine and cry about Fox news. Too funny.”
TD, if the FNC was not very popular, liberals would I think hardly care. But, because of its popularity and success, it is hated as were the Yankees and Cowboys. I think it’s just that simple.
td
January 31st, 2013
2:54 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 31st, 2013
2:51 pm
Dang that Morning Joe for being soooooo radical left!!!!!
Joe Scarsbough is in any shape, way or form a Conservative. He is a moderate at best and is very liberal on various issues.
TaxPayer
January 31st, 2013
2:54 pm
Mohammed Atta was here on an expired visa. Republicans are ok with that since it is a misdemeanor.
Aquagirl
January 31st, 2013
2:54 pm
As usual cheesy needs some help understanding scale, scope and perspective.
Sez the guy citing the N. Korean border as an example.
Thulsa Doom
January 31st, 2013
2:55 pm
Dang. That scale, scope, and perspective thing continually eludes the Dims. They still can’t seem to understand that only 1 person a day on average illegally crossing the border means the border is still largely secure. Them little noggins failing them again.
TaxPayer
January 31st, 2013
2:55 pm
Let’s get honest here
An honest Republican! The correct word for that is oxymoron.
DannyX
January 31st, 2013
2:56 pm
“at least not families comprised of aborted fetuses and marked by biologically normal sexual relationships and/or genders. SNL should do a skit on abortion clinics like they did on meat processing plants years ago – kill you own baby (to save money). You find it! You kill it! You dispose of it!”
I hate to break it to you Towncrier, Republican women have abortions too.
You are playing that family values game again, Republicans have nasty dirty sex like the rest of us, and Republican women have abortions. Republicans pretend they do neither.
In fact the Republican presidential candidate, Mitt Romney, signed a bill that included state funded abortions and also had holdings in a company that disposed of abortion waste.
But good job bringing up abortion again, your 388 consecutive streak is still alive, not aborted.
getalife
January 31st, 2013
2:56 pm
Another shooting at school in Atlanta.
Thulsa Doom
January 31st, 2013
2:56 pm
Aquagirl,
Sorry but N. Korea is a valid example of a nation largely securing its border. That fact that you don’t like the example doesn’t change its validity.
Mr_B
January 31st, 2013
2:57 pm
“Jesus was crucified, Stephen was stoned to death, John the Baptist was beheaded, many early Christians were fed to wild beasts and so on.”
Yet none of them tried to harm those who persecuted them.
Unlike those who later claimed to be acting in their names.
TaxPayer
January 31st, 2013
2:57 pm
One person a day illegally crossing an otherwise secured border might be considered unskewed data by some or an outlier by others.
the cat
January 31st, 2013
2:58 pm
doomy ignoring facts and making spit up. new day same doomy. just not relevant any longer.
Brosephus™
January 31st, 2013
2:58 pm
My problem is with 1) people “jumping in line” ahead of others and pretending that is not wrong – really wrong 2)
I have a question for you out of sheer curiosity. Were you aware that a person could legally “jump the line” simply by entering this country legally, as a tourise, marrying a citizen, and have the spouse file the paperwork for them to get a green card?
Morality?
January 31st, 2013
2:59 pm
Tax Payer – you are a sad, pathetic, miserable, angry excuse for a human being. There is no place for your HATEFUL prejudice against Christians and your lack of knowledge is appalling.
Look before I leap...
January 31st, 2013
2:59 pm
“Many courts (including the SCOTUS) have ruled that requiring a picture id is not illegal.”
And your point is…?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 31st, 2013
2:59 pm
WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?!?!?!?!
Just thought I’d post that, since no one else has.
Doesn’t seem to be a thread on immigration reform without it.
Erwin's cat
January 31st, 2013
2:59 pm
indigo – So all you gun toting and stroking types-another school shooting, this time in Atlanta. You all proud of yourselves?
sure, how is this my fault? My gun never left my holster.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 31st, 2013
3:01 pm
See there Aquagirl, you have been schooled by an expert on the Chinese/North Korean border security. Remember he’s a French model and everything you read on the internet is true.
Regnad Kcin
January 31st, 2013
3:01 pm
“they’re criminals who have broken the law. ”
RB – then the simplest thing would be for you to cite the law they have broken, correct? If you’re right, I mean.
the cat
January 31st, 2013
3:01 pm
morality doesn’t like hearing the truth. Of course listening to Faux news, he/she/it doesn’t hear much truth.
getalife
January 31st, 2013
3:02 pm
joe is a con.
TaxPayer
January 31st, 2013
3:02 pm
Uh OH! I done goned and hurted poor morality’s fee fees agin. It ok, widdle morality. Just cover your eyes and plug your ears and shut your yap and you’ll be ok.
Morality?
January 31st, 2013
3:02 pm
TP = AIRHEAD
Aquagirl
January 31st, 2013
3:03 pm
Sorry but N. Korea is a valid example of a nation largely securing its border.
Yeah, but the trade-off is a little drastic–famine, utter lack of human rights, and NO COLLEGE FOOTBALL.
TaxPayer
January 31st, 2013
3:04 pm
In the beginning, God said let there be abortions and there were. And that’s a fact.
luangtom
January 31st, 2013
3:04 pm
Certainly it is about voting. It is also about garnering those votes through promises of social programs. Do you honestly think that we can keep up the games we now play? We have reached our limits on spending and yet propose new programs to garner votes and to keep votes. Free phones, anyone?
TaxPayer
January 31st, 2013
3:04 pm
Poor widdle morality. Him still hurting. Awwww. It be ok.
DannyX
January 31st, 2013
3:04 pm
“Mohammed Atta was here on an expired visa. Republicans are ok with that since it is a misdemeanor.”
Some of the 9-11 terrorists came here by crossing the Canadian border. We better add Canada to the secure border list. We’re going to have to add another trillion a year to the deficit to secure both borders.
Thulsa Doom
January 31st, 2013
3:05 pm
“Whenever you’re ready to live under the conditions like those two examples, I’m sure we can achieve that secure border that you so desire.”
And why would you have to live under those types of conditions in order to secure the border?
stands for decibels
January 31st, 2013
3:06 pm
There is no place for your HATEFUL prejudice against Christians
Where are you seeing this?
Jefferson
January 31st, 2013
3:07 pm
Last of a dying breed — and remember….
Reasonable people can come to reasonable conclusions under reasonable conditions, unless you are a republican.
the cat
January 31st, 2013
3:07 pm
Doomy-are you going to applaud the latest school shooting today?
TaxPayer
January 31st, 2013
3:08 pm
Some of the 9-11 terrorists came here by crossing the Canadian border. We better add Canada to the secure border list. We’re going to have to add another trillion a year to the deficit to secure both borders.
There’s only one sure way–ThunderDome.
Thulsa Doom
January 31st, 2013
3:08 pm
“Yeah, but the trade-off is a little drastic–famine, utter lack of human rights, and NO COLLEGE FOOTBALL.”
In our case their isn’t much of a trade off if any. The only issue is cost and whether or not we have the will to actually protect the border and especially the Southern border.
Morality?
January 31st, 2013
3:08 pm
TP – I did not vote for “W” or Obama and I am not a Repub……. I am a FISCAL conservative. They are both FISCAL liberals. I am for reducing the size and scope of the Fed gub’ment overreach in to the private sector. Are you a BRAIN DEAD ZOMBIE for Obama – one of his lemming followers over the FISCAL CLIFF?
Regnad Kcin
January 31st, 2013
3:09 pm
“There is no place for your HATEFUL prejudice against Christians
Where are you seeing this?”
I don’t know – maybe someone called Christianity a “religion” – that often sets him off.
Brosephus™
January 31st, 2013
3:09 pm
Danny @ 3:04
Don’t remind them that the millennium bomber was caught trying to enter the U.S. from Canada.
DannyX
January 31st, 2013
3:10 pm
By the way, when it comes to securing the border North Korea style we are going to need about 1 million people. Lets hope Republicans pitch in this time and actually do some of the work. Our conservative friends sat out the Iraq war, literally. They ’sat’ on their butts blogging about how important it was for us to kill them over there so they wouldn’t kill us here.
Maybe we could hire illegals to guard the border.
skipper
January 31st, 2013
3:12 pm
Love being an independent. For every Sean Hannity, there is an Alan Coombs, for every Ann Coulter, there is a Rachel Maddow. And for each of these, folls pick one or more to pile up behind and swear that their person is right on…………………..and the hell of it is none of them are right all the time!
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
January 31st, 2013
3:12 pm
Late to the party, but about recess Appointments,
From Wiki:
“President George W. Bush made 171 recess appointments”
Read and learn…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recess_appointment
Brosephus™
January 31st, 2013
3:13 pm
And why would you have to live under those types of conditions in order to secure the border?
How do you think they manage to keep people from crossing their border? You severely restrict the freedoms and movements of the citizens. You can’t think that North Koreans or old Soviets have the same freedoms as Americans, right?
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 31st, 2013
3:13 pm
DannyX
Maybe we could hire illegals to guard the border
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We can outsource it to the Chinese (they work cheaper)
the cat
January 31st, 2013
3:13 pm
Bush2 ignoring the constitution?? I just don’t believe it.
Towncrier
January 31st, 2013
3:14 pm
“I have a question for you out of sheer curiosity. Were you aware that a person could legally “jump the line” simply by entering this country legally, as a tourise, marrying a citizen, and have the spouse file the paperwork for them to get a green card?”
Sure. But they do so legally with visas and are not by any means assured of citizenship – so I am not sure why you are even asking the question.
Erwin's cat
January 31st, 2013
3:14 pm
Bro – I have a question for you out of sheer curiosity. Were you aware that a person could legally “jump the line” simply by entering this country legally, as a tourist, marrying a citizen, and have the spouse file the paperwork for them to get a green card?
yep..that’s exactly the way it was described in http://www.myrussianbride.com
Erwin's cat
January 31st, 2013
3:14 pm
I mean that’s what I heard
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 31st, 2013
3:15 pm
Fox Paid Sarah Palin $15.85 a Word During Her Three-Year Contract
…Palin spoke exactly 189,221 words over the course of her three-year tenure at Fox, equaling an average rate of $15.85 per utterance. That means that a 100-word string of Palin proclamations is roughly worth (at least in the eyes of Fox) an ounce of gold.
[...]
Over the three years, Fox spent $158.50 for Palin to say “Right on!” and $1,759.35 for her to say “Amen.” It also spent $729.10 for her to utter the almost swear words of “darn,” “hell,” “damn,” and (most often) “heck!”
Heh, heh, heh.
Towncrier
January 31st, 2013
3:16 pm
“yep..that’s exactly the way it was described in.”
Come on, EC – that’s a link to a porn site. Isn’t that prohibited here, Jay?
stands for decibels
January 31st, 2013
3:16 pm
are you going to applaud the latest school shooting today
the cat, it’s only fair for me to ask you (once again) when Doom ever did such a thing.
I don’t believe Doom ever even remotely “applauded” a school shooting, and I think if you’re making this up, or puffing up what might have been a merely insensitive comment on that topic you belong in the permanent ignore/bozo bin.
Erwin's cat
January 31st, 2013
3:17 pm
Tc…lol…I thought I had made it up
the cat
January 31st, 2013
3:17 pm
stands-ignore away. He knows what he said. Notice he always gets very quiet when asked about it.
getalife
January 31st, 2013
3:18 pm
Some in government love prostitutes.
Morality?
January 31st, 2013
3:18 pm
Tax Payer – LIAR + COWARD + IQ CHALLENGED …. that would be YOU.
deegee
January 31st, 2013
3:20 pm
Obama has been advocating for immigration reform for years. He is not a political opportunist. Marco Rubio on the other hand has been advocating against immigration reform up until the republican post mortem on the 2012 elections was read. He is a political opportunist of the most cynical nature.