On immigration, it’s not just about the Latino vote
In the weeks ahead, the Republican Party is going to have itself a fine debate over immigration, with Florida Sen. Marco Rubio more or less betting his presidential ambitions on winning the argument. If he can’t convince enough Republicans to join him, his de facto support for amnesty will become a cannon ball chained to his leg in the race for the 2016 GOP nomination.
Personally, I hope Rubio is successful, because his success would mean that we actually accomplish something and put this problem behind us. But I have serious doubts.
His fellow Republican senator, David Vitter of Louisiana, this week called Rubio’s stance on immigration “nuts” and “amazingly naive,” all the while expressing his enormous admiration for his Florida colleague. House Republicans, a good indicator of the sentiment of the GOP base, don’t seem ready at all to embrace the Rubio solution. The editors at National Review dismissed it as well this week in a piece headlined “A Pointless Amnesty”:
“Call it ‘regularization,’ call it a ‘path to citizenship,’ it amounts to precisely the same thing: a decision to set aside the law and to ignore its violation.”
The folks at National Review also argue that “the idea that an amnesty is going to put Latinos squarely in the GOP tent is a fantasy.” Framed in those terms, they’re right. There are no conceivable circumstances in which the Latino vote is going to end up “squarely in the GOP tent.” However, a cessation of active hostility might, just might, allow the party to compete for some of those votes in the future.
The realization that the Latino vote might not be a natural GOP constituency after all has become a popular theme on the right, but it reflects a typically narrow way of thinking about the issue. Its implications for the overall GOP brand are much broader.
In a new CBS poll released this week, 71 percent of Americans say they support allowing illegal immigrants to remain here, with 51 percent saying they would support a path to citizenship. Only 24 percent of Americans take the GOP position that those immigrants must somehow be required to return home.
In other words, the GOP’s political problem on this issue is not by any means limited to Hispanic Americans. The GOP position toward the Latino minority mirrors its historic animosity to gay rights, affirmative action, minority voting protections, the Equal Rights Amendment for women and similar issues.
Each of those groups listens to GOP rhetoric on the Latino issue and it hears a powerful reminder of GOP indifference to its own struggles. If the GOP ends up scuttling comprehensive immigration reform, those non-Latino voters will view it as confirmation that the Grand Old Party isn’t changing, and that it has every intention of being more old than grand.
And unfortunately, they will be right to think that way.
– Jay Bookman
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Regnad Kcin
January 31st, 2013
1:11 pm
“being illegal isn’t a crime”
RB – is it a felony, or a misdemeanor? These are the only classes of crime we have, I believe.
indigo
January 31st, 2013
1:12 pm
VET – 1:03
I’ve been voting Democratic for years but, somehow, have missed out on all the “freebes”.
Please list these “freebes” so that I may contact the Govt. and get my share.
Towncrier
January 31st, 2013
1:14 pm
“While you’re at it, why don’t you try passing off that “being illegal isn’t a crime” routine again so we can make a fool out of you for that one too.”
Liberals like him would only really get upset if people were to illegally take up residence in their homes (and call law enforcement) – now THAT would be really crossing the line. Not a problem, however, if the illegally take up residence in their neighbors’ homes.
indigo
January 31st, 2013
1:14 pm
Supporter of the Law – 12:44 – “the current president does not follow the constitution”
Please explain how Obama is not following the Constitution.
Thulsa Doom
January 31st, 2013
1:14 pm
“You don’t seem to credit blacks and latinos with intelligence and free will of their own.”
On the contrary Granny. He’s acknowledging the intelligence of blacks and latinos as well as many whites. They are in fact intelligent enough to understand that if they keep voting D they will get more goodies.
And it really doesn’t even require a great deal of intelligence to realize that its a fairly simple exchange- people give their votes to the Ds in exchange for social welfare program benefits or some sort of special right such as the right to gay marriage in the case of gays. It aint hard to figure out.
Regnad Kcin
January 31st, 2013
1:16 pm
“Liberals like him would only really get upset if people were to illegally take up residence in their homes (and call law enforcement) – now THAT would be really crossing the line. Not a problem, however, if the illegally take up residence in their neighbors’ homes.”
TC – is “breaking & entering” not a crime where you live? Is renting a house?
getalife
January 31st, 2013
1:17 pm
I think it is time to open up trade to Cuba too.
DannyX
January 31st, 2013
1:17 pm
“President Ronaldo Reganandez ”
Presidente Ronaldo Reagan is responsible for millions of once “illegal” Mexican-Americans now voting DEMOCRAT! Millions of their children are voting DEMOCRAT, as are their grandchildren!
Muchos gracias, Presidente Reagan, the Padre of our country, Estados Unidos de America/Mexico
Erwin's cat
January 31st, 2013
1:18 pm
Please explain how Obama is not following the Constitution.
recess appointments
Thogwummpy
January 31st, 2013
1:18 pm
Actually, the GOP is wrong in it’s thoughts that it will modify the demographic trends. But Bookman is wrong that this attempt to convert illegal immigrants into a potential voting block isn’t the game afoot…it is—but (just like their effort to get imprisoned felons the vote; and opposing voter ID laws, or the absurd promotion of a fictional “war on women” based on free birth control) it is the Democrats exploiting the scenario for election result. The ambitious pedigree of the Left is to constantly push for one-party un-opposed power, which inevitably arrives at a tipping point that evolves to tyranny. History says so, it is encoded in the idealism. Thusly, locking down millions of Latino votes, will enable that [after all, they are conditioned to dictatorship in their homelands south; and receptive to the personality-cult of a ruler figure]. The Republicans should also know that the Demotards are going to get total credit for any immigration bill that passes; regardless. And if it DOESN’T pass (the usual liberal game is to shove a bunch of repellent unrelated policy onto a bill at the last moment, cognizant the Republicans won’t be able to swallow it…and in that rejection lay a standard political trap—-fodder for the Democrat-controlled operative press like Jay, who will coordinate lock-step with Dem politicians to slander Republicans…); the usual creeps will go on all the TV shows and write columns about how “raaaaa-cist” the GOP is. Seen that gambit a ton of times in my life; the media taking out of context half truths to shape a foul image of the GOP (NEVER will Jay tell you why conservatives actually block a policy—-he’ll give you plenty of his own invented childish impressions; fraudulently leaving out what was thrown by the Left into such a bill). Dishonest journalism will frame the immigration story to either boost the Democrats, or slam the Republicans. Whether such a bill passes or not, the progressives are going to win because they’ve got thousands of Bookmans carrying the water. If immigration reform passes, the Dems get votes because they’ll get credit. If that bill fails, the Dems get votes because the press will collude to demonize the GOP. Dominant yellow journalism has destroyed honor and truth…and as such, it is mathematical that America will become an authoritarian state. Betcha in 15 years or less….I’d be arrested (and possibly executed) for writing this. Just watch and wait…
Regnad Kcin
January 31st, 2013
1:19 pm
“And it really doesn’t even require a great deal of intelligence to realize that its a fairly simple exchange- people give their votes to the Ds in exchange for social welfare program benefits or some sort of special right such as the right to gay marriage in the case of gays. It aint hard to figure out.”
Mr. Doom – if you consider that ^^ to be the “intelligent choice,” do you mean those that do not make that choice are not intelligent?
DannyX
January 31st, 2013
1:19 pm
“Liberals like him would only really get upset if people were to illegally take up residence in their homes (and call law enforcement) – now THAT would be really crossing the line.”
Hyperbole at its finest, well done Towncrier!
Regnad Kcin
January 31st, 2013
1:20 pm
“recess appointments”
Oh, is he still doing that, since it’s now been ruled uncontitutional? Do you have a link?
Thulsa Doom
January 31st, 2013
1:20 pm
“However, a cessation of active hostility might, just might, allow the party to compete for some of those votes in the future.”
Hostility? Hmm. When I think of real hostility to immigrants I think of the Mexican army stationed along the Guatemalan border to prevent Guatemalan and other Central American immigrants from crossing into Mexico to get to the U.S.
And then I think of those fortunate enough to make it into Mexico who then have to run a gauntlet of police checkpoints through the country where if they are lucky they won’t get robbed and in some cases raped by the Mexican police or military.
But to hear it from Jay the hostile people are the GOP folks. And no. You can’t make this stuff up.
southpaw
January 31st, 2013
1:21 pm
Seriously @1:09
You may want to rethink your East Berlin example. West Germany didn’t put it up to keep people OUT; East German and Soviet authorities put it up to keep people IN. Also, the security was a lot better at that wall (admittedly a much easier task, as it was a lot shorter than any of our borders). Vicente Fox, not Ronaldo Reganandez, would need to talk to the Tea Party.
Towncrier
January 31st, 2013
1:21 pm
“Sure, done al the time with corporations. But if you are really good, say Halliburton with fraking fluids, you can murder and assault hoards of people, destroy their property and more without a single fine because you got the laws changed for the price of a VP and some congressmen and senators. What a bargain!”
If you really want to have some fun, elect a president who will drop nuclear bombs on a couple of cities. Or one who will campaign on NOT doing that but then plunge us headlong into a war in some asian country, or one that will plunge us headlong into a war in the Middle East. Just riotous!!!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 31st, 2013
1:21 pm
Indigo, you are getting “free semi-clean air”, right?
Thomas
January 31st, 2013
1:22 pm
I thought we all decided border billboards of Hillary and Newt versus the big fence as a better deterrent? Did I miss something?
getalife
January 31st, 2013
1:23 pm
cat,
Was the senate in session?
Nope.
DannyX
January 31st, 2013
1:23 pm
“recess appointments”
Oh my God, recess appointments??? Every president the last 200 years have made recess appointments, all of our presidents hate the Constitution!
Thulsa Doom
January 31st, 2013
1:23 pm
Regnad,
Nope. I’m sure plenty of blacks and Latinos are smart. And some not so smart. Just like any other ethnic group.
Erwin's cat
January 31st, 2013
1:24 pm
Oh, is he still doing that, since it’s now been ruled uncontitutional? Do you have a link?
thankfully not lately, but just pointing out he’s not squeaky clean on the constitution thngy
Doggone/GA
January 31st, 2013
1:24 pm
“PEOPLE VOTE DEMOCRATIC BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE GOVERNMENT WILL GIVE THEM MORE FREEBIES FOR THEIR VOTE!!”
And you are SO missing out because you’re too dumb to take advantage?
Towncrier
January 31st, 2013
1:25 pm
“TC – is “breaking & entering” not a crime where you live? Is renting a house?”
It is. And it is also against the law to enter the country in which I live without authorization. I was using an a-n-a-l-o-g-y. Got it now?
alittlecommonsense
January 31st, 2013
1:26 pm
“Personally, I hope Rubio is successful, because his success would mean that we actually accomplish something and put this problem behind us.”
Unfortunately Obama doesn’t agree. He is trying to kill the bipartisan support that is emerging by adding gay rights language to his immigration proposal. He knows this is a poison pill for social conservatives. Why is he doing this? He wants the immigration issue to bludgeon republicans with. He doesn’t have that if the issue is fixed in a bipartison way.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 31st, 2013
1:26 pm
“PEOPLE VOTE DEMOCRATIC BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE GOVERNMENT WILL GIVE THEM MORE FREEBIES FOR THEIR VOTE!!”
Rube yawp
Paulo977
January 31st, 2013
1:26 pm
Find Muck
January 31st, 2013
9:41 am
The undocumented are breaking the law simply by being here.
___________________________________________________________
Geeeeeeeeez and to think what a great country this has become since the ‘undocumented ‘ started to BE HERE!!!!!! ….Just continuing what started years ago …..these new ones will not fail us too.
DannyX
January 31st, 2013
1:27 pm
” I was using an a-n-a-l-o-g-y. ”
Well it sure was a d-u-m-b one.
Towncrier
January 31st, 2013
1:27 pm
“And you are SO missing out because you’re too dumb to take advantage?”
Well, there is that pesky little problem of morals and principles. Some people don’t feel it’s right to steal candy from children even though they can.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 31st, 2013
1:28 pm
I hear the GOP was offering “goodies” to voters last election of “no new taxes”, oil pipelines through your water aquifers, self-deportation, more unnecessary medical procedures, free healthcare insurance through your emergency room, helping out those poor military industrial companies with more spending and giving back medicare savings.
getalife
January 31st, 2013
1:28 pm
Immigration reform will pass with both parties voting for it.
It is about the Latino vote.
Wrap your con minds around that fact cons.
Granny Godzilla
January 31st, 2013
1:29 pm
Thulsa
Wow…you had to think long and hard to make it ugly abd bigoted in a completely new way.
Now they aren’t mindless children, they are greedy monsters.
Not too much if an improvement there fella’….
You’re still insulting the hell out of them
not the brightest move y’all have made.
St Simons - he-ne-ha
January 31st, 2013
1:29 pm
well, i’m right here at the Flow-rida border, and I can tell you,
if the Republicans think that Mr Rubio is gonna be
their wonderboy token for the Hispanic communiteh vote,
man, they’re more detatched from the sane world than even
I thought, and that’s bad. But by all means, knock yoselves out heheh
Towncrier
January 31st, 2013
1:30 pm
“Well it sure was a d-u-m-b one.”
So, many might think, is your moniker (or “handle” or “screen name” – if you don’t know the meaning of the term). Do you you have any twins, there, Danny boy – DannyY and DannyZ?
DannyX
January 31st, 2013
1:30 pm
“Well, there is that pesky little problem of morals and principles.”
Towncrier, where were you yesterday when Jay wrote about the scholarship scam Christian schools are taking part in?
RB from Gwinnett
January 31st, 2013
1:30 pm
Regnad, ” is it a felony, or a misdemeanor? These are the only classes of crime we have, I believe.”
Give Google a try, Regnad. That way you’ll learn what the laws actually are for a change instead of arguing with me about whether what I post is truthful or not. In short, Regnad, do your own homework.
Towncrier
January 31st, 2013
1:31 pm
“He is trying to kill the bipartisan support that is emerging by adding gay rights language to his immigration proposal.”
Really? Where did you see that reported?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 31st, 2013
1:31 pm
Granny, scummy always seems to find a way to leak below the level of the sewers. Its just the way scum works.
Towncrier
January 31st, 2013
1:32 pm
“Towncrier, where were you yesterday when Jay wrote about the scholarship scam Christian schools are taking part in?”
In the Two Wrongs Don’t Make a Right refresher course.
Granny Godzilla
January 31st, 2013
1:32 pm
alittlecommonsense
OMG!
Treating gay people the same as straight!
How American!
Thulsa Doom
January 31st, 2013
1:33 pm
I think some of the Dims are onto something. Maybe we should all be trying to get as much free shiite as we can from the gubmint. Don’t know who is going to pay for it all. Apparently that part doesn’t matter. But it sounds like another great idea brought to you by the Dims.
“Cost”- the evil word in polite liberal society.
DannyX
January 31st, 2013
1:35 pm
“In the Two Wrongs Don’t Make a Right refresher course.”
Lol, you better take another refresher course! You have been playing that game a lot today!
Doggone/GA
January 31st, 2013
1:37 pm
“Well, there is that pesky little problem of morals and principles. Some people don’t feel it’s right to steal candy from children even though they can”
What does that have to do with “freebies” that are offered to all?
td
January 31st, 2013
1:38 pm
DannyX
January 31st, 2013
1:23 pm
“recess appointments”
Oh my God, recess appointments??? Every president the last 200 years have made recess appointments, all of our presidents hate the Constitution!
Huge difference in a recess appointment and what Obama did that the appeals court said was unconstitutional. The President is not allowed to interpret when the legislative branch is in session or not in session. The legislator must officially recess before a President is allowed to make a recess appointment.
Do not tell me it is only because the Republicans would not approve his appointees or they were really in recess but were playing a game because the Republicans did the same thing the Dems did during the Bush Presidency. If Obama wants people approved then he must COMPROMISE and send people up that Republicans can actually vote for or at least not so radical that the Republicans have to block. Look at Kerry as an example. 1 day of hearings and he was confirmed by 94 votes.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 31st, 2013
1:38 pm
““Cost”- the evil word in polite liberal society.”
Rubes keep on a yawpin.
Thulsa Doom
January 31st, 2013
1:38 pm
Danny X,
Recess appointments? Good grief. You’re just not a very bright guy are you?
President Obama has gone around Congress in as many ways as he can find. One way is by abusing the presidential power to make appointments to government positions during a supposed Senate recess—in an attempt to avoid having the Senate confirm the nominees.
Last week, a three-judge panel of the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals dealt quite a blow: It ruled that a number of President Obama’s “recess appointments” were invalid.
The judges issued an even broader ground for striking down the unconstitutional appointments, holding that President Obama could make valid recess appointments only during an intersession “recess” that occurs between annual sessions of Congress, and that recess appointments also cannot be made unless the position becomes vacant during the Senate’s valid intersession recess.
This brings up huge questions for all the unconstitutional appointees who have now been declared invalid—and the regulations they have created during their time in office.
There’s the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB), which had three members appointed in this way. Gaziano notes that “13 months’ worth of rulings, regulations, and other actions by the NLRB are now in question, because without the illegal recess appointments the NLRB lacked a quorum to act during all that time.”
And then there’s the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), whose director, Richard Cordray, was another of these invalid appointments. The bureau has been regulating away for the past year, but Gattuso writes that “the new rules adopted by the CFPB under Cordray will likely be invalidated.”
Towncrier
January 31st, 2013
1:39 pm
“I think some of the Dims are onto something. Maybe we should all be trying to get as much free shiite as we can from the gubmint. Don’t know who is going to pay for it all. Apparently that part doesn’t matter. But it sounds like another great idea brought to you by the Dims.”
It’s easy when you can just print money. I think they should mint a 16T coin and be done with our debt. In a few years, mint another one. Problem solved!
Towncrier
January 31st, 2013
1:40 pm
“Recess appointments? Good grief. You’re just not a very bright guy are you? ”
What tipped you off? Was it his moniker?
DannyX
January 31st, 2013
1:40 pm
” Don’t know who is going to pay for it all. Apparently that part doesn’t matter.”
Lets add education to the freebie list! Parents that send their kids to public schools are also part of the freebie moocher class! That should bring the moocher class up to about 65% to 70% of the population.
Of course our “Christian” friends are taking it to a whole new level with their scholarship scam!
Thulsa Doom
January 31st, 2013
1:40 pm
“Freebies” are offered to all? Sure they are. Well all of your six figure income folks just take your tax returns on down to the local DFACS office and get yourself some of those medicaid and food stamp and section 8 goodies. After all they’re offered to all.
Look before I leap...
January 31st, 2013
1:41 pm
“Please, how insulting.”
You may find “insulting”, but a little simple math blows your sham theory out of the water.
Out of the top 10 states in numbers of estimated illegal immigrants (which represent about 50% of the total number in the US), 6 went BLUE in the 2012 Presidential election. Of those, only two (FL and CO) were decided by a margin of victory less than the total number of immigrants estimated to be in that state. Assuming 100% turn-out of illegals in those two states and that ALL of those votes went to Obama, then you can slide FL and CO into the Romney column. That still leaves 294 EV for Obama – end result the same.
That there is widespread document fraud within the illegal immigrant community is certain. Most of that fraud involves employment and housing. Voting? Not so much.
Towncrier
January 31st, 2013
1:42 pm
“Treating gay people the same as straight! How American!”
Yeah…I remember when I had my first beer…
Thulsa Doom
January 31st, 2013
1:42 pm
“Lets add education to the freebie list! Parents that send their kids to public schools are also part of the freebie moocher class! That should bring the moocher class up to about 65% to 70% of the population.”
Nope. Those people are paying for it through their taxes. Try again sport.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 31st, 2013
1:43 pm
“Maybe we should all be trying to get as much free shiite as we can from the gubmint”
Rubes keep yawpin, venting their resentment about some phantom free-riders or other, all the while closing their eyes to the fraudsters in the financier class who are the ones truly getting the free ride.
Yet on this issue, where is Thulsa Doom?
Missing in action. Can’t be bothered.
Regnad Kcin
January 31st, 2013
1:46 pm
“Regnad, ” is it a felony, or a misdemeanor? These are the only classes of crime we have, I believe.”
Give Google a try, Regnad.
=================================
RB – I tell you this, then. Being “illegal” is not a “crime.” If you don’t understand, please follow your own advice and “look it up.”
Glad I could help.
td
January 31st, 2013
1:47 pm
DannyX
January 31st, 2013
1:40 pm
” Don’t know who is going to pay for it all. Apparently that part doesn’t matter.”
Lets add education to the freebie list! Parents that send their kids to public schools are also part of the freebie moocher class! That should bring the moocher class up to about 65% to 70% of the population.
Moocher: Someone that is getting something for FREE or not putting anything into the pot. Any parent that lives in a house/apartment/trailer/condo is paying for the education of their children because they are paying either directly through mortgage company or to the local county government or indirectly through rent property taxes.
Even the moochers that do not pay income taxes and get income based entitlements actually pay property taxes so they are not moochers in educating their children. Well, unless they are having their housing paid for totally by Section 8 and then they are moochers.
Regnad Kcin
January 31st, 2013
1:49 pm
“Yeah…I remember when I had my first beer…” – gratuitous Steve martin quote
Thulsa Doom
January 31st, 2013
1:50 pm
“Out of the top 10 states in numbers of estimated illegal immigrants (which represent about 50% of the total number in the US), 6 went BLUE in the 2012 Presidential election. Of those, only two (FL and CO) were decided by a margin of victory less than the total number of immigrants estimated to be in that state.”
Look before I leap,
And of course what you left out is the number of people who are U.S. citizens but are sympathetic to the immigration issue and vote accordingly. Why? Because they have relatives from other countries that could benefit from open immigration policies. You do realize that right?
alittlecommonsense
January 31st, 2013
1:51 pm
Granny -”Treating gay people the same as straight!”
All fine and dandy. Put it in a gay rights bill. Leave it out of the immigration bill.
DannyX
January 31st, 2013
1:51 pm
“Nope. Those people are paying for it through their taxes. Try again sport.”
They are paying for it with my childless taxes also. Conservatives have a whole list of freebies that are included in the freebie class, including Social Security and Medicare, programs that recipients also helped pay for. The 47% number sure wasn’t just from people on welfare and food stamps.
Time to change the math, let’s call it the 70%ers.
Regnad Kcin
January 31st, 2013
1:51 pm
“Huge difference in a recess appointment and what Obama did that the appeals court said was unconstitutional.”
The question would be, SINCE it was ruled unconstitutional, has he done it. If the answer is “no,” then he did not commit an unconstitutional act.
If you disagree, then, by all means, start ginnin’ up support for some articles of impeachment…
Towncrier
January 31st, 2013
1:51 pm
“That there is widespread document fraud within the illegal immigrant community is certain. Most of that fraud involves employment and housing. Voting? Not so much.”
We really don’t know how much fraud there may be in voter registration by illegal immigrants. If they fraudulently obtained other key forms of documentation, then it would not be hard or a stretch to register to vote illegally. I am not aware this has ever been seriously investigated, as it would be hard to detect potential perpetrators from a list of names. There was a local TV investigative report in Florida last year that found some illegals voting (by their own admission even), but the elections officials indicated it would be hard to find them.
Towncrier
January 31st, 2013
1:52 pm
“Yeah…I remember when I had my first beer…” – gratuitous Steve martin quote”
Let’s get small…;-)
Mr_B
January 31st, 2013
1:52 pm
“GIVE ME ONE GOOD REASON WHY THE U.S. SHOULD NOT MIRROR MEXICAN IMMIGRATION LAW”
Sounds good to me…….
Prior to May 20011, Mexico’s immigration flows were regulated by the outdated and highly restrictive General Law of Population of 1970. However, on May 24, President Felipe Calderón signed into law a new and much more liberal Migration Law. The Mexican Senate and subsequently the House had unanimously approved the migration bill that led to this new law on February 24 and April 29t, respectively. Some of the most significant principles of this new law deal with the rights of migrants. The new law guarantees that foreigners and Mexican nationals will receive equal treatment under Mexican law. Under this principle all immigrants, regardless of status, are granted the right to access education and health services. Mechanism aimed at promoting family unity are now in place. Moreover, before the government takes action (e.g. deportation) with respect to migrant children and other vulnerable individuals (women, seniors, the handicapped and victims of crime) their specific needs must be prioritized and adequate services must be provided. Migrants are also granted judicial rights that they previously lacked, such as the right to due process.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Mexico
Of course, you might not like it so much when you actually know what Mexican law is…….
barking frog
January 31st, 2013
1:53 pm
section 8 housing money goes to LANDLORDS…..
moochers just have a haven from the weather…..
Welcome to the Occupation
January 31st, 2013
1:55 pm
I don’t know about you, but I would NOT want to be called a rube. That’s just me.
DannyX
January 31st, 2013
1:55 pm
“Even the moochers that do not pay income taxes and get income based entitlements actually pay property taxes so they are not moochers in educating their children. Well, unless they are having their housing paid for totally by Section 8 and then they are moochers.”
That is fine td, as long as you include the people in the suburbs, most making good money, that are scamming the system with their private Christian school tax credits. $50 million a year, soon to be $100 million! Great scam.
They are moochers too, right td?
Thulsa Doom
January 31st, 2013
1:55 pm
“Rubes keep yawpin, venting their resentment about some phantom free-riders or other, all the while closing their eyes to the fraudsters in the financier class who are the ones truly getting the free ride.”
Aaaah. So those 46 million on food stamps are all phantoms? Who knew?
“Yet on this issue, where is Thulsa Doom?
Missing in action. Can’t be bothered.”
And you would be wrong. I think many of the financial fraudsters should either have their asses sued off or spend some good amount of time in jail or both. The problem is that many of them are in a blue city in a blue state- NYC comes to mind as well as Chicago. Hard to prosecute them when many of them are bribing their way to freedom. Marc Rich comes to mind. Ya know who he is occupation???
Thulsa Doom
January 31st, 2013
1:57 pm
“That is fine td, as long as you include the people in the suburbs, most making good money, that are scamming the system with their private Christian school tax credits. $50 million a year, soon to be $100 million! Great scam.”
So how is a tax credit a “scam” if its perfectly legal. Libs do love they emotional rhetoric they do.
Look before I leap...
January 31st, 2013
1:58 pm
If the GOP persists in the belief that the reason they are experiencing waning federal influence because slightly more than half the voters are a bunch of free-loading moochers who are addicted to freebies and handouts, I don’t think they are going to enjoy 2014 much.
The wingnuts are re-arranging deckchairs on the Titanic.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 31st, 2013
1:58 pm
The takeaway from this forum, for the most part, is that trying to reason with rubes is a dead letter.
Message dead on arrival.
Yet some of us here keep coming back, evidently.
Masochistic trait?
td
January 31st, 2013
1:59 pm
DannyX
January 31st, 2013
1:55 pm
“Even the moochers that do not pay income taxes and get income based entitlements actually pay property taxes so they are not moochers in educating their children. Well, unless they are having their housing paid for totally by Section 8 and then they are moochers.”
That is fine td, as long as you include the people in the suburbs, most making good money, that are scamming the system with their private Christian school tax credits. $50 million a year, soon to be $100 million! Great scam.
They are moochers too, right td?
Go read Wingfield’s most current blog. He just shot this conspiracy theory of you leftest all to hell and back.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 31st, 2013
2:00 pm
“Marc Rich comes to mind. Ya know who he is occupation???”
Hold that thought.
I’ve got a meeting with comrades to go to.
Thulsa Doom
January 31st, 2013
2:01 pm
“They are paying for it with my childless taxes also. Conservatives have a whole list of freebies that are included in the freebie class, including Social Security and Medicare, programs that recipients also helped pay for.”
Danny X just can’t wrap his little noggin around the idea that on things like SS and Medicare that the recipients paid into these programs their entire working lives- thus differentiating them from a moocher who doesn’t pay shiite.
DannyX
January 31st, 2013
2:03 pm
“So how is a tax credit a “scam” if its perfectly legal.”
Just read Jay’s “Back Door Voucher Program Riddled With Deception” column from yesterday. You’ll get all the answers you need. It’s fun to watch conservatives defend it! Especially the “Christian” conservatives.
Thulsa Doom
January 31st, 2013
2:03 pm
“Hold that thought.
I’ve got a meeting with comrades to go to.”
Oh Lordy. Occupation has to go to a fantasy politburo central planning committee meeting.
DannyX
January 31st, 2013
2:06 pm
“Danny X just can’t wrap his little noggin around the idea that on things like SS and Medicare that the recipients paid into these programs their entire working lives- thus differentiating them from a moocher who doesn’t pay shiite.”
Oh I certainly can understand it. It’s the brain dead conservatives that added them to their 47% hysteria! The hysteria that helped re-elect Obama.
How about it Thulsa, do we add the scholarship tax credit scammers to your list of moochers?
Thulsa Doom
January 31st, 2013
2:07 pm
Danny X,
Yeah. I read it. And keep in mind that Jay is writing from a partisan slanted view. I just want to know when people are going to get arrested since by definition a scam is fraud which is illegal. Just lemme know when we start arresting these tax credit scammers en masse.
A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle.
tr.v. scammed, scam·ming, scams
To defraud; swindle.
Nduka
January 31st, 2013
2:08 pm
These amnesty schemes are just the politicians looking for an easy way out rather than having to enforce the law. After all don’t we want to be “nice”, and “caring”.
And to preempt the usual “how do you deport 11 million people” response, all that’s necessary is selective, well publicized immigration raids. The word will spread quickly and there’ll be a mass exodus.
ideasbm
January 31st, 2013
2:08 pm
YES IT IS….
Towncrier
January 31st, 2013
2:08 pm
“The takeaway from this forum, for the most part, is that trying to reason with rubes is a dead letter. ”
It might help, of course, if you actually used reason – you know, the valid kind.
DannyX
January 31st, 2013
2:10 pm
“A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle.
tr.v. scammed, scam·ming, scams
To defraud; swindle.”
Thulsa, you must have missed the video link where the Christian school administrator showed a room full of people how to scam the system.
Get Real
January 31st, 2013
2:10 pm
“Border crossings are at 40-year low: At the same time, illegal border crossings have dropped to their lowest level since the Nixon administration, and net undocumented migration is at or below zero. Meanwhile, annual deportations at a historic high.
Most parts of the border are already secure: Even with fewer people apprehended at the border, border agents now patrol every single mile of the border every day. The vast majority of the border already meets one of Homeland Security’s highest standards of security, and there are 21,370 agents, along with six unmanned aircraft systems”
Regarding deportations, the numbers do not lie, but in terms of a secure border I would challenge that…I do not believe you would get that concensus among border agents….
stands for decibels
January 31st, 2013
2:11 pm
Geez, TD, resorting to demonizing those on food assistance to make some boneheaded point?
You do realize that a fair number (no, I’m not going to bother looking it up) are working full time gigs and collectively contributing rather mightily to our economy?
I’d ask “WTF is wrong with you anyway?” but I’m beyond caring. Maybe you oughta though.
Look before I leap...
January 31st, 2013
2:11 pm
“And of course what you left out is the number of people who are U.S. citizens but are sympathetic to the immigration issue and vote accordingly. Why? Because they have relatives from other countries that could benefit from open immigration policies. You do realize that right?”
Well my back of the napkin analysis was specific to the claim that Obama’s election was decided by illegals voting.
As to the people who are legally entitled to vote, I’d like to see exit polling that supports that immigration was the top reason they pulled the lever next to Obama’s name.
I don’t see where Obama did jack crap to address the issue in his 1st 4 years. As a matter of fact, the average monthly rate of deportations ROSE under Obama’s administration – more than 50% higher than what we saw under Bush.
If I were in the class of voter you allude to, that would not give me the warm and fuzzies.
Better to to stick to the freebie theory methinks.
Thulsa Doom
January 31st, 2013
2:11 pm
“Go read Wingfield’s most current blog. He just shot this conspiracy theory of you leftest all to hell and back.”
You got homework to do Danny X. That is if you have any semblance of an open mind of course. Orrrrr you can just keep drinking Jay’s koolaid only and keep your mind closed and look at only the far left side of an issue. My bet is that you’re not open minded enough to read Kyle’s piece that blows away your argument.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 31st, 2013
2:13 pm
Suddenly “freebies” become “scams”…… Like those for no-cost goalpost moving.
the cat
January 31st, 2013
2:13 pm
One of the marks of good character and ethics is doing the right thing when no one is looking. Right Thulsie Doomy, td, “Christian” Conservative???
DannyX
January 31st, 2013
2:17 pm
“That is if you have any semblance of an open mind of course.”
Like you do Thulsa? Give me a break.
Nice try though with the “when all else fails shout KOOL AID” line, that one really got me.
EqualRights
January 31st, 2013
2:18 pm
Look before I leap… Are you of the belief that voter fraud was not a significant part of election? I do background checks and can tell you how difficult it is to simply check criminal histories on a hispanic. They have many AKA names that THEY have created and all name variations need to be checked. If you think that they aren’t also forging docs with various alias names to vote, you are naive and best think again. The push to not require voter ID was there for a reason and Obama knows this as well.
Towncrier
January 31st, 2013
2:18 pm
“One of the marks of good character and ethics is doing the right thing when no one is looking.”
Do you mean like Bob Menendez?
http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/31/dominican-prostitute-senator-bob-menendez-likes-the-youngest-and-newest-girls/
Regnad Kcin
January 31st, 2013
2:20 pm
“One of the marks of good character and ethics is doing the right thing when no one is looking. Right Thulsie Doomy, td, “Christian” Conservative???’
Some would cal that the definition of “honor.”
Doggone/GA
January 31st, 2013
2:20 pm
“I read it. And keep in mind that Jay is writing from a partisan slanted view”
It’s a fair trade. You red it from a partisan slanted view
the cat
January 31st, 2013
2:20 pm
Crier-If menendez is guilty he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Next?
Thulsa Doom
January 31st, 2013
2:20 pm
“As to the people who are legally entitled to vote, I’d like to see exit polling that supports that immigration was the top reason they pulled the lever next to Obama’s name.”
Then you must not have watched much news on election night results and why minorites including Asians voted heavily for Obama primarily due to his immigration or perceived immigration policies.
http://www.insidevandy.com/opinion/columns/article_85c9755c-2c92-11e2-8f79-0019bb30f31a.html
http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/11/07/latino-voters-flex-muscle-with-whopping-pro-obama-vote/
“I don’t see where Obama did jack crap to address the issue in his 1st 4 years. As a matter of fact, the average monthly rate of deportations ROSE under Obama’s administration – more than 50% higher than what we saw under Bush.”
Doesn’t matter what you think sir. The perception amongst minorities is that Obama and the Ds in general are more sympathetic to immigration. Perception is reality.
“If I were in the class of voter you allude to, that would not give me the warm and fuzzies.
Better to to stick to the freebie theory methinks.”
But you’re not. Better to know what you’re talking about methinks. BTW you’re welcome for the freebie research. Dims need freebies in one way or another and it doesn’t look like you’re an exception.
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Doggone/GA
January 31st, 2013
2:22 pm
“Regarding deportations, the numbers do not lie, but in terms of a secure border I would challenge that”
And there you have it folks. The REAL reason for insisting on a “secure border” first. Because it will NEVER be completely secure, so a path to citizenship can be delayed indefinitely because it will ALWAYS be possible to say “the border isn’t secure enough”
Thulsa Doom
January 31st, 2013
2:24 pm
“It’s a fair trade. You red it from a partisan slanted view”
Lib mind readers at work again.
Regnad Kcin
January 31st, 2013
2:24 pm
“Do you mean like Bob Menendez?”
Towncrier – I find it a little strange that when “honor’ is mentioned, you think of Mr. Menendez. No accounting for taste, I suppose.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 31st, 2013
2:24 pm
Go read Wingfield’s most current blog. He just shot this conspiracy theory of you leftest all to hell and back.
It most certainly did not. He just basically says it isn’t happening because I said it isn’t happening.
His head is firmly buried in the sand on this one.
Anyone denying it is going on is either not being honest or not very bright.
the cat
January 31st, 2013
2:26 pm
Regnad Kcin
January 31st, 2013
2:20 pm
“One of the marks of good character and ethics is doing the right thing when no one is looking. Right Thulsie Doomy, td, “Christian” Conservative???’
Some would cal that the definition of “honor.”
That trio is without honor along with Cheney, Bush 2, LaPierre, just to name a few. Miserable group aren’t they?