On immigration, it’s not just about the Latino vote
In the weeks ahead, the Republican Party is going to have itself a fine debate over immigration, with Florida Sen. Marco Rubio more or less betting his presidential ambitions on winning the argument. If he can’t convince enough Republicans to join him, his de facto support for amnesty will become a cannon ball chained to his leg in the race for the 2016 GOP nomination.
Personally, I hope Rubio is successful, because his success would mean that we actually accomplish something and put this problem behind us. But I have serious doubts.
His fellow Republican senator, David Vitter of Louisiana, this week called Rubio’s stance on immigration “nuts” and “amazingly naive,” all the while expressing his enormous admiration for his Florida colleague. House Republicans, a good indicator of the sentiment of the GOP base, don’t seem ready at all to embrace the Rubio solution. The editors at National Review dismissed it as well this week in a piece headlined “A Pointless Amnesty”:
“Call it ‘regularization,’ call it a ‘path to citizenship,’ it amounts to precisely the same thing: a decision to set aside the law and to ignore its violation.”
The folks at National Review also argue that “the idea that an amnesty is going to put Latinos squarely in the GOP tent is a fantasy.” Framed in those terms, they’re right. There are no conceivable circumstances in which the Latino vote is going to end up “squarely in the GOP tent.” However, a cessation of active hostility might, just might, allow the party to compete for some of those votes in the future.
The realization that the Latino vote might not be a natural GOP constituency after all has become a popular theme on the right, but it reflects a typically narrow way of thinking about the issue. Its implications for the overall GOP brand are much broader.
In a new CBS poll released this week, 71 percent of Americans say they support allowing illegal immigrants to remain here, with 51 percent saying they would support a path to citizenship. Only 24 percent of Americans take the GOP position that those immigrants must somehow be required to return home.
In other words, the GOP’s political problem on this issue is not by any means limited to Hispanic Americans. The GOP position toward the Latino minority mirrors its historic animosity to gay rights, affirmative action, minority voting protections, the Equal Rights Amendment for women and similar issues.
Each of those groups listens to GOP rhetoric on the Latino issue and it hears a powerful reminder of GOP indifference to its own struggles. If the GOP ends up scuttling comprehensive immigration reform, those non-Latino voters will view it as confirmation that the Grand Old Party isn’t changing, and that it has every intention of being more old than grand.
And unfortunately, they will be right to think that way.
– Jay Bookman
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Paul
January 31st, 2013
10:10 am
Itchy
I live in a world where accusations don’t equal guilt. If ’something’s up’ we’ll hear about the facts when they are reported. If the accusations turn out to be true I’ll predict you won’t have one of your ideological opponents defending him. But so far it’s just accusation and innuendo.
Class of '98
January 31st, 2013
10:10 am
Jay, do you think granting rights and citizenship to illegals is fair to those who have waited in line and waited their turn?
Do you realize that there are a finite number of administrators who do the naturalization paperwork, and when you move the cheaters and illegals to the front of the line in delays the processing time for people who have played by the rules?
How is this fair? Obama’s favorite freakin word in English language is “fair”, except when it comes to those people trying to enter this country legally.
the cat
January 31st, 2013
10:11 am
Itchy and “Christian” Conservative both use the term fruit but cannot define the meaning thereof. It is being used in a derogatory manner so calling someone an apple or orange, what is up with that? It makes me giggle.
USinUK - always opinionated and seldom "ladylike"
January 31st, 2013
10:11 am
“Fruit, nuts and flakes describes libs to a t….”
itchy sees us rollin … he hatin …
Jay
January 31st, 2013
10:11 am
Yes, Itchy, the smell of panic is in the air on that one. But as you say, we’ll wait and see…
JohnnyReb
January 31st, 2013
10:14 am
I have heard Rubio explain a summary of his proposal and found nothing objectionable.
The proposal is at this point just that, a proposal. It is not yet a bill.
There are several details to work out foremost being covering newly green carded immigrants under Obamacare. There is no money to do that and we should not borrow more money to do so.
My guess is, if the proposal blows up it will not be due to Republicans but instead the Liberals who just can’t do enough for others to satisfy theiry bleeding hearts.
rightwingextreme
January 31st, 2013
10:15 am
Jay
January 31st, 2013
9:47 am
“whoa there jay……
it has traditionally been democrats who have oppressed minorities.”
So extreme, why then does almost every minority group vote heavily Democratic? Are they just stupid fools too ignorant to know who really loves them? How come they don’t see it the way that you see it, in your far superior wisdom and knowledge?
Jay, that’s a question I’ve been asking a long time now. You touch on part of the problem in you answer. The Dems have told minorities in this country for so long that you can’t do it on your own. You have to have special help or set asides. Funny how we don’t do this in sports….each competes on their ability.
If a minority publicly sides with the Reps they are automatically labled a traitor or “Uncle Tom” by the very people that are pretending to care about them. See Clarence Thomas.
I think if the African American community honestly would look around at the impact liberalism has made in the community they would be up in arms. we ‘ve seen the almost complete breakdown of the family due to the so called Great Society….durgs permiate many communities….they’re told standardized tests are discriminatory that’s why you don’t do well….. though i’m not sure how 2+2=4 discriminates…..blacks are incarcirated at a higher percentage than other racial groups….of course, i guess the left would say there is bias there also. but nobody asks why? i watch wsb news and i guess they’re biased because a lot of the crime stories they show somehow have a lot of blacks in them. i guess jovita’s not doing a good job of screening these out.
what about asians? if there is such bias why are asians doing so well in this country?
revamp the welfare state to where it truly is for those in need….make everyone pay some measure of taxes on their 1040…hold everyone accountable to the same standards. try and do this and you’d see heads explode on the left. their base would crumble.
i personally don’t like the race game that is played in politics. i try to judge each person based on their on merits.
HDB
January 31st, 2013
10:15 am
Itchy Finger
January 31st, 2013
9:52 am
“Why is it so wrong to show an ID to vote? You have to in everyday life… Why is it so wrong to find out if a person is breaking the law? ”
No..the question you should be asking is: Why CHANGE the ID requirements?? No one has an issue with showing identification to vote….but the ID requirements that I used to REGISTER to vote should be the same that I use TO VOTE!!
Lord Help Us
January 31st, 2013
10:16 am
Why hasn’t Romney weighed in on the immigration issue?
Doesn’t the GOP want their most recent candidate to help mold this debate?
Welcome to the Occupation
January 31st, 2013
10:17 am
Steve: “Dem has not always = liberal, and GOP has not always = conservative.”
They’re not even those things now. The Democrats are a right-leaning party of a more moderate cas, but not really “liberal” in any deeply principled sense, while the Republicans are a far right party, which in many ways makes a mockery of any principled core “conservative” philosophy..
Granny Godzilla
January 31st, 2013
10:18 am
Class of ‘98
January 31st, 2013
10:10 am
Jay, do you think granting rights and citizenship to illegals is fair to those who have waited in line and waited their turn?
Do you realize that there are a finite number of administrators who do the naturalization paperwork, and when you move the cheaters and illegals to the front of the line in delays the processing time for people who have played by the rules?
How is this fair? Obama’s favorite freakin word in English language is “fair”, except when it comes to those people trying to enter this country legally.
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and again
Rubio , McCain, Flake, Graham all conservatives all FOR the bill.
There’s plenty of places to spread your unhappiness….FAIR would be for you to also express
that unhappiness about the Republicans working the issue…..
Unless of course YOU can’t be fair.
HDB
January 31st, 2013
10:19 am
Itchy Finger
January 31st, 2013
10:01 am
Starting to QUALIFY who’s Hispanic and who isn’t…aren’t you?? I didn’t know you had that pedigree….
JohnnyReb
January 31st, 2013
10:19 am
“The Democrats are a right-leaning party of a more moderate cas, ”
Nothing like a good chuckle in the morning.
Marco Polo
January 31st, 2013
10:19 am
“Dutch” Reagan granted amnesty to the “illegals” diidn’t he?
stands for decibels
January 31st, 2013
10:20 am
Wow, are there really posters in here who do not understand the the GOP and DEM party have switched views since Lincoln’s era of Presidency?
I dunno, but there are invariably some who manage a pretty good impression of someone who doesn’t get that.
JohnnyReb
January 31st, 2013
10:22 am
Just a reminder to our Moonbat bloggers why some of us choose to carry a pistol.
A whole cop would be too heavy.
USinUK - always opinionated and seldom "ladylike"
January 31st, 2013
10:22 am
“Why hasn’t Romney weighed in on the immigration issue?”
good grief … My dad’s postman hasn’t weighed in, either – and he’s probably more relevant than Mittens.
Donovan
January 31st, 2013
10:22 am
I find it amusing how Bookman loves to fortify his argument with occasional snippets of GOP alliance. This time he pounces all over the fact that Marco Rubio is the face of de facto amnesty. Well, here’s a news bulletin for you, Mr. Bookman…most Republicans are not on board with Sen. Rubio concerning this issue.
It’s also amusing to see how Mr. Bookman relies on the polling results of a liberal source like CBS. This is similar in asking a fox to guard a chicken coop. It’s stupid in its concept and predictable in its conclusion. 71%??….please! I hate to use the typical Bookman response to any counter point, but this CBS poll is a fabrication and bunch of outright lies.
Illegal immigration is what it is. It’s illegal and against the laws of this country, pure and simple. Amnesty or de facto amnesty is what it is; something that is a give-away. Amend the law that stands in its way if you must have a give-away program.
Hispanic countries do not have the benefits that this country provides to its citizens or its illegal aliens. Since we have not enforced the immigration laws, we have a problem. When you hand out candy to children you will have more and more children looking for candy. When Democrats go slack on the law of immigration, the fore gone conclusion will be more and more Hispanic votes. This is the low road tactic used by the low road Democrat Party in all its glory. The same tactic used with no taxes for the “middle class”. The same tactic used with entitlements. The same tactic with affirmative action. The same tactic with earned income credit. The same tactic with unemployment income extensions. You and I know that most people will vote for a Santa Claus Party rather than a political party that insists on self-reliance, hard work, and fair play. When you Democrats create a nation of 47% non-paying citizens in the “revenue” department belonging to the Santa Claus Party, it is a fore gone conclusion that you Democrats would want to embrace amnesty. Ronald Reagan opted for amnesty like Marco Rubio and Hispanics did not embrace the Republican Party. You know why? Hispanics, just like children, would rather belong to and vote for the Santa Claus Party.
USinUK - always opinionated and seldom "ladylike"
January 31st, 2013
10:23 am
“A whole cop would be too heavy.”
and harder to conceal.
monty
January 31st, 2013
10:25 am
Heck.let’s just let everybody(illegals) in and pay for their babies to be born too, there’s plenty of work to go around here in the good ole USA and plenty of tax(govt.) resources to pay for their needs while hard working folk have to pay for their own. Not another country like us in the world. Come one come all. When I go for a walk at my local park I see black and white families with 1-2 kids on avg. But when I see Latinos they have 4-5 kids on avg. Welcome to the new Mexico (gangs and all). Soon there will be so many impoverished people that there is no way our govt will be able to sustain all the entitlements. Does anyone hear the sound of the coming crash? But at least they will keep the Dems in power. After all, that’s all that matters right?
Doggone/GA
January 31st, 2013
10:25 am
“Jay, do you think granting rights and citizenship to illegals is fair to those who have waited in line and waited their turn?”
Do you think it’s possible that if YOU listen to the proposals they say that the undocumented immigrants now in the country have to get in line BEHIND those who are trying to get here by following the rules?
alex
January 31st, 2013
10:25 am
Interesting issues abound, Menendez is not, if guilty he is pathetic, not interesting….The accident may be present, let’s keep our foot on the pedal….
USinUK - always opinionated and seldom "ladylike"
January 31st, 2013
10:26 am
HDB – “Starting to QUALIFY who’s Hispanic and who isn’t…aren’t you?? I didn’t know you had that pedigree….”
I’m jsut waiting for him to tell us that Sonia Sotomayor isn’t high-profile …
or maybe he’s going to say that Puerto Rican isn’t REALLY hispanic …
Granny Godzilla
January 31st, 2013
10:26 am
rightwingextreme
January 31st, 2013
10:15 am
“The Dems have told minorities in this country for so long that you can’t do it on your own. You have to have special help or set asides”
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if you are suggesting they aren’t bright enough to make the right choices for themselves you are practicing a truly ugly form of bigotry.
Lord Help Us
January 31st, 2013
10:27 am
GWB was for ‘amnesty’ and was elected twice. Ronald Reagan was for ‘amnesty’ and got elected twice.
Anybody (except the cons) see a pattern there…
Marco Polo
January 31st, 2013
10:27 am
Hey Jay what happened to my post? Did I say something about “Dutch” that was wrong?
Look before I leap...
January 31st, 2013
10:28 am
“A whole cop would be too heavy.”
But a loaded cop would not be very useful.
stands for decibels
January 31st, 2013
10:28 am
UnU @ 9.27, re: your Telegraph link–at first glance, I imagined that Tory paper’s readership probably didn’t like getting a harsh dose of truth.
Then I remember how very different UK conservatives are from American “conservatives.”
Welcome to the Occupation
January 31st, 2013
10:31 am
“The Democrats are a right-leaning party of a more moderate cas, / Nothing like a good chuckle in the morning”
Not something you’re really very interested in facing up to, is it, JohnnyReb? Poses a bit of a problem for your ideological system.
monty
January 31st, 2013
10:32 am
“Open the doors and let’em in.”- Paul McCartney
stands for decibels
January 31st, 2013
10:32 am
For the record:
I hope Rubio is successful, because his success would mean that we actually accomplish something and put this problem behind us.
Grudgingly agree with Jay on this.
Gotta admit though that it is tempting to hope for petty, short-term political gain, that this is yet another case of pachyderm political malpractice we’re seeing being formed before our eyes. But I do love my country and am tired of it being battered around like that.
monty
January 31st, 2013
10:33 am
We can’t close our borders because it wouldn’t be fare to those who haven’t yet come in illegally!
David Granger
January 31st, 2013
10:34 am
@ Granny Godzilla
re: 10:06
“So the GOP members of the bi-partisan group that has brought the bill to this point are also bughouse nuts?”
They are if they’re claiming (like Jay does in the title of this article) that it’s not just about the Latino vote. And I think the point is valid: If most Hispanics in this country voted Republican, the Democrats would be the ones complaining about rewarding illegals for breaking our laws, and the Republicans would be the ones pushing for amnesty.
I know you’re a giggle-sissy liberal, and your knee-jerk reaction is to parrot the liberal line on everything…but usually you’re more cogent about it than this. (Hope you’re doing ok…)
RB from Gwinnett
January 31st, 2013
10:35 am
Hey, here’s a great idea… Let’s make them all legal so they can stop doing the jobs our “less fortuante” won’t do and start doing the higher paying jobs our “less fortunate” will do. Where do you suppose that’s going to leave the “less fortuante”?
DebbieDoRight -- Minister Of Propaganda
January 31st, 2013
10:35 am
What high profile dem is there that may be Hispanic?
Sonia Sotomayer — US Justice Of the Supreme Court
Doggone/GA
January 31st, 2013
10:35 am
“We can’t close our borders because it wouldn’t be fare to those who haven’t yet come in illegally”
We can’t close our borders because it’s an impossible task. And you might consider looking in the dictionary for the definitions of “fare” and “fair” because your post was unintentionally (I’m sure) funny
USinUK - always opinionated and seldom "ladylike"
January 31st, 2013
10:37 am
“UnU @ 9.27, re: your Telegraph link–at first glance, I imagined that Tory paper’s readership probably didn’t like getting a harsh dose of truth.
Then I remember how very different UK conservatives are from American “conservatives.””
and EVERYone here hates Murdoch
barking frog
January 31st, 2013
10:37 am
Open borders with Canada and Mexico should have been included
in NAFTA.
RB from Gwinnett
January 31st, 2013
10:38 am
I have another idea, too. Since it’s become a case of “the problem is too big for us to deal with it, so let’s just make them all legal and act like it didn’t happen”, let’s get all the 53% to stop paying their taxes and see what happens. You can’t possibly put all of them in jail and if you did, the rest wouldn’t have anybody to work for. So, using the same “logic” as immigration, we’ll make not paying your taxes legal. Problem solved!!!
stands for decibels
January 31st, 2013
10:38 am
I have heard Rubio explain a summary of his proposal and found nothing objectionable.
The proposal is at this point just that, a proposal. It is not yet a bill.
so far so good. I’m likin’ where this is headed, j-reb.
There are several details to work out foremost being covering newly green carded immigrants under Obamacare. There is no money to do that and we should not borrow more money to do so.
Why, because people are charging us cray-cray interest? hmm, lemme check…
http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/interest-rates/Pages/TextView.aspx?data=billrates
nope. They’re basically giving us money for free. So, let’s get this done.
USinUK - always opinionated and seldom "ladylike"
January 31st, 2013
10:39 am
boarders … femail … fare …
dude. what is it with basic spelling that the right finds so odious???
stands for decibels
January 31st, 2013
10:39 am
let’s get all the 53% to stop paying their taxes and see what happens
You really need to stop lying about the percentage of Americans who pay taxes.
Paul
January 31st, 2013
10:39 am
monty
“Heck.let’s just let everybody(illegals) in ”
Amazing. The only people repeating that are cons opposed to immigration reform.
You have any cites from, say, Republican or Democratic advocates who say it’s about letting more people in with no controls?
getalife
January 31st, 2013
10:40 am
vitter should have resigned in disgrace in a diaper.
Erwin's cat
January 31st, 2013
10:41 am
Paul – Democrats are willing to put the good of the country above political advantage.
yeah, sure they are….how warm and fuzzy
Aquagirl
January 31st, 2013
10:41 am
It’s also amusing to see how Mr. Bookman relies on the polling results of a liberal source like CBS.
“The latest Fox News poll shows a majority of American voters believes(sic) illegal immigrants should be given a chance to apply for citizenship, as long as they meet certain requirements.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/28/fox-news-poll-66-percent-favor-path-to-citizenship-for-illegal-immigrants-with/
I know this is rough Donovan, but you and your angry friends aren’t the entire universe. Deal with it.
Cherokee
January 31st, 2013
10:42 am
“Hispanics, just like children, would rather belong to and vote for the Santa Claus Party.”
And there’s nothing bigoted or racist about that comment, right? I just for the life of me can’t figure out why Hispanics don’t flock to the Republican Party, when comments like this one are made about them…
monty
January 31st, 2013
10:42 am
Doggone
THanks Alex Trabec!
It might take alot more resources to close the borders and stiffer penalties but I dare say it would cost us less to do so than it will to take care of all that come in if we don’t.
stands for decibels
January 31st, 2013
10:42 am
and EVERYone here hates Murdoch
ok, I admit to forgetting that whole spying on distraught parents business.
getalife
January 31st, 2013
10:42 am
cats are warm in fuzzy.
USinUK - always opinionated and seldom "ladylike"
January 31st, 2013
10:42 am
” “the problem is too big for us to deal with it, so let’s just make them all legal and act like it didn’t happen””
worked for Reagan.
Cherokee
January 31st, 2013
10:44 am
USinUK – always opinionated and seldom “ladylike”
January 31st, 2013
10:39 am
boarders … femail … fare …
dude. what is it with basic spelling that the right finds so odious???
And you can almost see the little flecks of spittle, too…..
USinUK - always opinionated and seldom "ladylike"
January 31st, 2013
10:44 am
“ok, I admit to forgetting that whole spying on distraught parents business.”
2 years later and I still find it funny that Hugh Grant was key to taking down the Murdochs in the UK
HDB
January 31st, 2013
10:44 am
rightwingextreme
January 31st, 2013
10:15 am
You said so much that I have to address it…….here goes!
1) “If a minority publicly sides with the Reps they are automatically labeled a traitor or “Uncle Tom” by the very people that are pretending to care about them. See Clarence Thomas.”
It’s not a problem that there are black conservatives…but the problem is that they are espousing the idiom that “they did it on their own”….when it is further from the truth !! We ALL had help in making it to the point where we are today…..and the preponderance of those black conservatives USED government programs like Affirmative Action and education loans and grants to get to where they are! Affirmative Action has always been mischaracterized by conservatives as a “quota”….Affirmative Action is used to grant ACCESS to the same things that were heretofore denied to minorities — employment, education, et. al..If CONSERVATIVES would listen more to people like Colin Powell, you’d get a better picture!! Remember: Colin Powell achieved his position in government when Ronald Reagan stated that there was NO black candidates on the list for National Security Advisor…that was AFFIRMATIVE ACTION (affirmative meaning “positive”)………also…Colin Powell got BOOED at the Republican National Convention because he advocated Affirmative Action……..
2) “I think if the African American community honestly would look around at the impact liberalism has made in the community they would be up in arms.” Liberalism gave black people the right to vote, constitutional protections equal to the majority, access to education and employment……there’s a lot more POSITIVES than negatives. Granted, the breakdown of the family structure encompasses a lot…primarily economics….but that’s an aspect that not only affects blacks…but the preponderance of people on assistance…primarily, the largest group — white Americans in Appalachia!!
3) “they’re told standardized tests are discriminatory that’s why you don’t do well….. ” 1) WHO creates the standards!?? It’s well known that education standards differ throughout the various communities….I’m willing to state that education standards differ in North Fulton and Cobb than in South Fulton……Speaking as a college-educated person, I know that there are some basic aspects of standardized testing that are common across curricula…but there are ARE differences that many minorities are not exposed to……….
4) “blacks are incarcerated at a higher percentage than other racial groups….” Primarily, the law FOCUSES on minorities…..and harsher judgments are given to minorities than Caucasians!!
5) “what about Asians? if there is such bias why are Asians doing so well in this country?” The cultural differences between Asians and the rest of Americans speaks volumes. Asians are more homogeneous…and their culture focuses on LONG-TERM results rather than immediacy!! Americans focus on short-term success…..and what is the bellwether of said success is what many Caucasians state success is……..Asians have also suffered their share of discrimination by all cultures…even among themselves…..but it’s their homogeneity that allows them to build upon their successes.
That’s a start…………..
Look before I leap...
January 31st, 2013
10:45 am
“Amazing. The only people repeating that are cons opposed to immigration reform.”
It’s the exact same kind of thinking that leads them from legalizing gay marriage to marrying a goat.
stands for decibels
January 31st, 2013
10:47 am
still find it funny that Hugh Grant was key to taking down the Murdochs in the UK
Not quite as golden-brown-and-delicious as a Carter progeny being responsible for cooking Romney’s goose, but tasty, to be sure.
monty
January 31st, 2013
10:47 am
If Republicans started doling out more in freebies to the impoverished than the Dems were willing to concede(more in food stamps, welfare checks, free whatever) you would see a seismic shift in party loyalty. Or would they vote on principle? Hum.
HDB
January 31st, 2013
10:48 am
USinUK – always opinionated and seldom “ladylike”
January 31st, 2013
10:22 am
“Why hasn’t Romney weighed in on the immigration issue?”
I thought he did already……remember “self-deportation”……and that’s why he LOST 70% of the Hispanic vote…….
USinUK - always opinionated and seldom "ladylike"
January 31st, 2013
10:49 am
dB – 10:47 –
– true, that!
barking frog
January 31st, 2013
10:50 am
If Republicans actually believed that ‘freebies’ could get votes
they would be on every streetcorner with food stamp coupons.
rightwingextreme
January 31st, 2013
10:50 am
HDB
January 31st, 2013
10:15 am
Itchy Finger
January 31st, 2013
9:52 am
“Why is it so wrong to show an ID to vote? You have to in everyday life… Why is it so wrong to find out if a person is breaking the law? ”
No..the question you should be asking is: Why CHANGE the ID requirements?? No one has an issue with showing identification to vote….but the ID requirements that I used to REGISTER to vote should be the same that I use TO VOTE!!
uhhh…democrats do have an issue with requiring people to show and id to vote.
Doggone/GA
January 31st, 2013
10:50 am
“It might take alot more resources to close the borders and stiffer penalties but I dare say it would cost us less to do so than it will to take care of all that come in if we don’t.”
And I daresay you’re wrong. Give it just a LITTLE thought sometime. To “secure” our borders means we would have to have complete and total control over ALL land, water, and air crossing. We have more borders than just the small one with Mexico, in case you didn’t know. There’s no way to completed control every possible means of illegal crossings of ALL of our borders. It’s impossible.
DebbieDoRight -- Minister Of Propaganda
January 31st, 2013
10:50 am
Obama White House pays femail staffers less than male staffers
Proof?
The ERA was not and is still not needed as those protections are already in the Constitution.
Oh really? Where?
So called gay rights is a morality issue and shouldn’t be linked to Civil Rights. What next, calls to allow grown men to have sex with underage boys? Is that a civil right??
Please explain your stance. How is gay rights a CIVIL issue? Do you understand CIVIL LAW and what it entails?
Latino issue…..democrats are pandering to Latinos by saying we don’t care if you broke the law….we’ll make you citizens so you vote for us
Again, proof please.
If Latino immigrants, who claim to love this country so much,
Interesting. Why just the LATINO immigrants? Why single them out?
2) Learn English
3) Learn American culture and leave the old country behind like so many other immigrants have done
You sound condescending, arrogant, indifferent, and really, really dumb. If that’s the tone you were going for then, Congratulations!!! you’ve nailed it!!
Carlos
January 31st, 2013
10:52 am
Donovan – “Hispanics, just like children, would rather belong to and vote for the Santa Claus Party”
With sentiments like this, the republican party is doomed. Now if you will excuse me, writing my wish list to Santa Claus aka Obama.
Granny Godzilla
January 31st, 2013
10:53 am
David Granger
January 31st, 2013
10:34 am
@ Granny Godzilla
re: 10:06
“So the GOP members of the bi-partisan group that has brought the bill to this point are also bughouse nuts?”
They are if they’re claiming (like Jay does in the title of this article) that it’s not just about the Latino vote. And I think the point is valid: If most Hispanics in this country voted Republican, the Democrats would be the ones complaining about rewarding illegals for breaking our laws, and the Republicans would be the ones pushing for amnesty.
I know you’re a giggle-sissy liberal, and your knee-jerk reaction is to parrot the liberal line on everything…but usually you’re more cogent about it than this. (Hope you’re doing ok…)
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giggle sissy liberal?
giggle yes,
sissy not even close,
liberal – just the most recent in a line going back to before the American revolution.
knee jerk – that’s man stuff
cogent – if I wasn’t you’d have nothing to kvetch about.
(hope all’s hunky dunky with you and yours as well)
barking frog
January 31st, 2013
10:53 am
we should teach Spanish in kindergarten.
Look before I leap...
January 31st, 2013
10:54 am
“If Republicans started doling out more in freebies to the impoverished than the Dems were willing to concede(more in food stamps, welfare checks, free whatever) you would see a seismic shift in party loyalty. Or would they vote on principle? Hum”
Since the GOP has had control of the country’s purse strings for 8 of the past 12 years, I think the GOP has at the least, been complicit in doling out all those freebies.
monty
January 31st, 2013
10:54 am
Doggone
The pipeline to Mexico is our biggest concern, case you didn’t know. I don’t think Canadians are clamoring to get in by the thousands everyday. Enough straw man tactics!
barking frog
January 31st, 2013
10:54 am
Close the borders means build the fence.
rightwingextreme
January 31st, 2013
10:55 am
HDB
January 31st, 2013
10:44 am
rightwingextreme
January 31st, 2013
10:15 am
3) “they’re told standardized tests are discriminatory that’s why you don’t do well….. ” 1) WHO creates the standards!?? It’s well known that education standards differ throughout the various communities….I’m willing to state that education standards differ in North Fulton and Cobb than in South Fulton……Speaking as a college-educated person, I know that there are some basic aspects of standardized testing that are common across curricula…but there are ARE differences that many minorities are not exposed to……….
what haven’t they been exposed to??
math?
science?
english?
history?
we’re supposed to have been having these basics taught to us since K.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 31st, 2013
10:55 am
“Hispanics, just like children, would rather belong to and vote for the Santa Claus Party”
Ah, and the mask comes off.
Arguably the hardest working segment of the US population and yet they’re desire for political representation gets reduced to a desire for “Santa Claus”.
Steve
January 31st, 2013
10:55 am
yawn
getalife
January 31st, 2013
10:56 am
gop amnesty 1.
dem amnesty 1.
Tie game.
monty
January 31st, 2013
10:56 am
Never bite the hand that feeds you.
RB from Gwinnett
January 31st, 2013
10:57 am
“You really need to stop lying about the percentage of Americans who pay taxes.”
How’s the weather there in lala land?
stands for decibels
January 31st, 2013
10:58 am
(more in food stamps, welfare checks, free whatever)
Monty, the very manner in which you phrase this hypothetical reveals a lot about what’s wrong with the GOP and their partisans. You’re making like Gov. “I forget the third one” Perry; it’s not even the actual nature of “free stuff” you seem to object to, but that unworthy, sub-human parasites[1] are getting it.
However, to honor your laudable goal of wondering how “Those People” would feel if the GOP’s strategy were to move to the Dems’ left and go overboard with too-generous social safety net benefits, I dunno–I would guess that there’d be plenty of “Them” that wouldn’t qualify for such things who would object. Don’t you?
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1. not saying that’s how *you*, personally, regard such folk.
getalife
January 31st, 2013
10:58 am
rb,
Please don’t steal my stuff.
Thanks.
Doggone/GA
January 31st, 2013
10:58 am
“The pipeline to Mexico is our biggest concern, case you didn’t know. I don’t think Canadians are clamoring to get in by the thousands everyday. Enough straw man tactics!”
And do you think if we completely and totally secure the border with Mexico that they are really too stupid to figure out how to get in over another border? Condescend much?
HDB
January 31st, 2013
10:59 am
rightwingextreme
January 31st, 2013
10:50 am
“uhhh…democrats do have an issue with requiring people to show and id to vote.”
Only when you CHANGE the ID requirements!! As I asked you before….should not the same ID that I used to REGISTER to vote be the same as the ID I use TO VOTE?? What Democrats objected to was the changing of ID requirements by Republicans in an attempt to disenfranchise minority voters!! There was a 92-year old registered voter in Tennessee who had voted in previous elections who wasn’t allowed to vote because she could get a photo ID…because she couldn’t get a copy of her BIRTH CERTIFICATE…but had enough alternate ID forms to establish her identity…that she had used to register to vote!! Many Democrats see these ID tactics as another methodology to depress the minority vote…..and remember what the State Senator in Pennsylvania stated: “..passing the ID law will allow Pennsylvania to go for Romney…”…but that didn’t work, did it???
DebbieDoRight -- Minister Of Propaganda
January 31st, 2013
11:01 am
I know you’re a giggle-sissy liberal
SIDE: Why are the conned so attracted to homosexual slurs and the happenings that goes on in people’s bedrooms?
You think it has something to do with the fact that the majoirity of the conned have homoerotic thoughts every 10 seconds, (Fox News did a survey in 2009).
Lynnie Gal
January 31st, 2013
11:01 am
I think we’re witnessing the GOP spitting into two parties now. The con’s on the far right have ruined the GOP’s chances to appeal to the majority of Americans because they only represent their narrow constituents and are not statesmen who can govern on a national level. The GOP establishment has become aware of this and it’s saner members are beginning to retire or try to break away from the TP. At this rate, I don’t see how the GOP can remain a national political party. They will be cast to representing the far reaches of the rural midwest and south.
And speaking about the geographic split in the GOP, those southern congressmen who voted against aid for Sandy relief…we just had a tornado in Georgia yesterday and it’s not even hurricane season yet. When we need aid for our citizens to rebuild, do you think northeastern Republicans and Democrats are going to feel generous towards us? Payback is going to be hell…for those who lose their homes and businesses in the south due to disasters.
rightwingextreme
January 31st, 2013
11:03 am
DebbieDoRight — Minister Of Propaganda
January 31st, 2013
10:50 am
Obama White House pays femail staffers less than male staffers
Proof?
The ERA was not and is still not needed as those protections are already in the Constitution.
Oh really? Where? 13th, 14th, 15th amendments.
I guess you have to ask obama why his white house female staffers are paid less than his male staffers.
So called gay rights is a morality issue and shouldn’t be linked to Civil Rights. What next, calls to allow grown men to have sex with underage boys? Is that a civil right??
Please explain your stance. How is gay rights a CIVIL issue? Do you understand CIVIL LAW and what it entails?
I never said gays rights were a civil issue…the left has attempted to make that link.
Do we pass a law saying it’s ok for grown men to have sex with underage boys? is that their “civil right?” See NAMBLA for this.
Latino issue…..democrats are pandering to Latinos by saying we don’t care if you broke the law….we’ll make you citizens so you vote for us
Again, proof please.
uh….you’re kidding…right…what part of illegal don’t you understand? did they cross the border without a passport? yes….law broken right there….end of argument.
If Latino immigrants, who claim to love this country so much,
Interesting. Why just the LATINO immigrants? Why single them out?
Because that was the major thrust of Jay’s article.
2) Learn English
3) Learn American culture and leave the old country behind like so many other immigrants have done
You sound condescending, arrogant, indifferent, and really, really dumb. If that’s the tone you were going for then, Congratulations!!! you’ve nailed it!
Wow…I feel like I’m back on the playground. Is this really the best you’ve got?
Paul
January 31st, 2013
11:03 am
Erwin’s cat
“yeah, sure they are….how warm and fuzzy”
Can you cite an instance where Republicans initiated action on a major issue that could have increased support for Democrats?
(Okay, entertaining Gingrich, Bachmann, Cain, sweater vest, Perry, then settling on Romney doesn’t count)
RB from Gwinnett
January 31st, 2013
11:03 am
I notice none of you liberals wants to comment on what’s going to happen to your beloved “less fortunate” when the illegals start taking the jobs they will do. I guess you don’t want to deal with that unintended consequence of your latest vote buying scheme.
I guess Oblame-a will blame that on Bush too, eh?
Tell me, when exactly is it the democrat owned busineesses are going to get of those wads of cash their sitting on and start hiring more people than they need because they care so much about them and the economy?
stands for decibels
January 31st, 2013
11:03 am
How’s the weather there in lala land?
The forecast calls for 100% chance of you behaving like a spiteful, entitled little brat who can’t be bothered fact-checking his own posts.
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3505
only about 17 percent of households did not pay any federal income tax or payroll tax in 2009, despite the high unemployment and temporary tax cuts that marked that year.[5] In 2007, a more typical year, the figure was 14 percent.
Oh and here: Have a cookie.
barking frog
January 31st, 2013
11:04 am
Since the requirements to vote are under change, should not the
requirements to be voted for not be subject to change ?
Why not have candidates qualify by
1. Background check
2. Psychological evaluation
3. credit score
Brian Washington
January 31st, 2013
11:04 am
@ David Granger
“If Hispanics voted primarily Republican instead of Democratic, then the sides would be switched. The Republicans would be pushing amnesty and the DREAM act, while the Democrats would be the ones talking about rewarding illegals for breaking our laws.”
You’re probably right, but you can say the same thing about many other political issues as well. For most politicians and political parties, it’s all about getting and keeping power.
monty
January 31st, 2013
11:05 am
I’ve always had to show my I.D. when I vote and I’m a white guy. Why shouldn’t everybody else have to show some form of appropriate picure ID is beyond utterly ridiculous. For every one person who may get disenfranchised there will be 100 who will get to vote illegally. Which is more fair?
USinUK - always opinionated and seldom "ladylike"
January 31st, 2013
11:05 am
“I guess Oblame-a will blame that on Bush too, eh? ”
aw, bless its …
JohnnyReb
January 31st, 2013
11:05 am
stands – I assure you that if Dems insist on covering the newly green carded, out of the shadows immigrants under Obamacare, it will be a deal breaker. The bipartisanship will evaporate.
Now, having stated the above I am reminded that I stated Obama could not be elected dog catcher. However, I think I am correct on the immigrants and Obamacare.
stands for decibels
January 31st, 2013
11:06 am
I assure you that if Dems insist on covering the newly green carded, out of the shadows immigrants under Obamacare
Okie doak. How about we call it “Romneycare” and shake hands?
Occupy White House
January 31st, 2013
11:06 am
This country is in deep deep doo doo.
Granny Godzilla
January 31st, 2013
11:07 am
RB from Gwinnett
January 31st, 2013
11:03 am
I notice none of you liberals wants to comment on what’s going to happen to your beloved “less fortunate” when the illegals start taking the jobs they will do. I guess you don’t want to deal with that unintended consequence of your latest vote buying scheme.
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Rubio’s vote buying scheme?
McCain’s vote buying scheme?
Flake’s vote buying scheme?
Graham’s vote buying scheme?
Please rant full poltical spectrum .
HDB
January 31st, 2013
11:07 am
rightwingextreme
January 31st, 2013
10:55 am
Which LEVELS are you referring…..
math — Basic Math, Algebra, Geometry, Trig, Calculus, Differential Equations? I know that when I took the SAT, I could cover up to trig with no problem, but there were Calculus and Diff Equations on it..and I didn’t get that exposure until COLLEGE!! I’m willing to state that there are more college prep and advanced (AP) courses offered in North Fulton……
science – Basic, Biology, Chemistry, Physics…..many on the Southside don’t have instructors to cover the AP courses…so they are not exposed to the same course options…..
english — Basic Composition, maybe……..but what about Creative Writing, English Lit?
history — What levels…American, World, European? What about the negating of certain aspects of history……..
There’s more than you think…………….
DebbieDoRight -- Minister Of Propaganda
January 31st, 2013
11:07 am
The pipeline to Mexico is our biggest concern, case you didn’t know.
Interesting. Why would MExico be our biggest problem and not illegals from the following countries:
N. Korea
China
Russia
Ukraine
North Africa
Afghanistan
Iran
Five countries on that list have sworn to bring down the US — yet you list MEXICO as the biggest threat. Interesting.
I guess you’ve forgotten about that Russian sleeper cell that was discovered in the US just 3 or 4 years ago?
Keep worry about the big bad and scary Mexico — pay no attention to the sleeper cells from Russia and N. Korea and Iran.
stands for decibels
January 31st, 2013
11:07 am
For every one person who may get disenfranchised there will be 100 who will get to vote illegally.
I’m sure you have all kinds of cites to back up this projected disparity, right?
/drive-by
Thomas Heyward Jr
January 31st, 2013
11:07 am
On immigration, it’s not just about the Latino vote
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Exactly..
It’s also about the fact that starting next year……………..your friendly local Federale will point a gun at your head and FORCE you to buy an over-priced Health insurance policy…………….in order to…………..help pay for “undocumented” immigrant health care.
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carry on————and——————-
lol
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Forward Soviet!
mm
January 31st, 2013
11:08 am
The cons seem to be trying to see who can come up with the most ignorant ideas.
69 cons in the House have co-sponsored a bill to abolish feeral income taxes.
What’s sad is they just reflect the stupidity of their voters.
getalife
January 31st, 2013
11:08 am
mccain is crying about Iraq.
Levels of blackness
January 31st, 2013
11:08 am
Man, all this talk about them…
anything to digress from the plight of the black man.