On immigration, it’s not just about the Latino vote

Marco-Rubio

In the weeks ahead, the Republican Party is going to have itself a fine debate over immigration, with Florida Sen. Marco Rubio more or less betting his presidential ambitions on winning the argument. If he can’t convince enough Republicans to join him, his de facto support for amnesty will become a cannon ball chained to his leg in the race for the 2016 GOP nomination.

Personally, I hope Rubio is successful, because his success would mean that we actually accomplish something and put this problem behind us. But I have serious doubts.

His fellow Republican senator, David Vitter of Louisiana, this week called Rubio’s stance on immigration “nuts” and “amazingly naive,” all the while expressing his enormous admiration for his Florida colleague. House Republicans, a good indicator of the sentiment of the GOP base, don’t seem ready at all to embrace the Rubio solution. The editors at National Review dismissed it as well this week in a piece headlined “A Pointless Amnesty”:

“Call it ‘regularization,’ call it a ‘path to citizenship,’ it amounts to precisely the same thing: a decision to set aside the law and to ignore its violation.”

The folks at National Review also argue that “the idea that an amnesty is going to put Latinos squarely in the GOP tent is a fantasy.” Framed in those terms, they’re right. There are no conceivable circumstances in which the Latino vote is going to end up “squarely in the GOP tent.” However, a cessation of active hostility might, just might, allow the party to compete for some of those votes in the future.

The realization that the Latino vote might not be a natural GOP constituency after all has become a popular theme on the right, but it reflects a typically narrow way of thinking about the issue. Its implications for the overall GOP brand are much broader.

In a new CBS poll released this week, 71 percent of Americans say they support allowing illegal immigrants to remain here, with 51 percent saying they would support a path to citizenship. Only 24 percent of Americans take the GOP position that those immigrants must somehow be required to return home.

In other words, the GOP’s political problem on this issue is not by any means limited to Hispanic Americans. The GOP position toward the Latino minority mirrors its historic animosity to gay rights, affirmative action, minority voting protections, the Equal Rights Amendment for women and similar issues.

Each of those groups listens to GOP rhetoric on the Latino issue and it hears a powerful reminder of GOP indifference to its own struggles. If the GOP ends up scuttling comprehensive immigration reform, those non-Latino voters will view it as confirmation that the Grand Old Party isn’t changing, and that it has every intention of being more old than grand.

And unfortunately, they will be right to think that way.

– Jay Bookman

1,067 comments Add your comment

Itchy Finger

January 31st, 2013
9:11 am

Yes it is.. Its all about the vote….

Itchy Finger

January 31st, 2013
9:12 am

Dems have used the same tactic they use on blacks. They scare Latino’s into voting for them by handing out freebies then scaring them by saying Republicans will take them away. This is common sense Jay….

barking frog

January 31st, 2013
9:12 am

History shows that amnesty does not bring voting loyalty or
else voting latinos would be Reagan republicans..

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 31st, 2013
9:13 am

Immigration is certainly much more than Latinos

Itchy Finger

January 31st, 2013
9:15 am

Wow I bet Bookman’s Brigade of far left fruits are pissed they didn’t post first… Tighten up!!!

barking frog

January 31st, 2013
9:18 am

Itchy Finger
Wow I bet Bookman’s Brigade of far left fruits are pissed they didn’t post first… Tighten up!!!
………………………………………………………………………………….
go scratch yourself…

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

January 31st, 2013
9:19 am

Well, I sincerely hope the GOP continues as before. It will mean more immigration votes for the Democrats and assuring a victory for president. Can’t be all bad…

Granny Godzilla

January 31st, 2013
9:19 am

Itchy Finger

January 31st, 2013
9:12 am

Dems have used the same tactic they use on blacks. They scare Latino’s into voting for them by handing out freebies then scaring them by saying Republicans will take them away.
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You don’t seem to credit blacks and latinos with intelligence and free will of their own.

MMMMMMMMMMMMMM…what’s that indicate?

TaxPayer

January 31st, 2013
9:20 am

Finger,

You should do something about that itch. Some OTC corticosteroid cream might do the trick.

Doggone/GA

January 31st, 2013
9:21 am

“MMMMMMMMMMMMMM…what’s that indicate?”

That Rubio MIGHT be fighting a losing battle with his own party?

Itchy Finger

January 31st, 2013
9:23 am

Granny Godzilla

Dems have used the same tactic they use on blacks. They scare Latino’s into voting for them by handing out freebies then scaring them by saying Republicans will take them away.
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You don’t seem to credit blacks and latinos with intelligence and free will of their own.

MMMMMMMMMMMMMM…what’s that indicate?

Many are not informed voters… Thats just facts… Its sad that you fruits can’t handle the truth….

skipper

January 31st, 2013
9:23 am

It is a complicated thing……..wtf are we supposed to do; tell everybody “Come on in?” People fire salvos at Arizona from a distance. They have not had to deal with the problem that a state that borders Mexico has, so they become a bunch of armchair Monday morning QB’s. Reminds me of upper New Englanders from 99+% white enclaves giving race-relation advice. Part of the solution could be actual dialouge with those on the front lines who deal with this mess daily! This is a complicated issue, and some real ground rules need to be established.

Fred ™

January 31st, 2013
9:24 am

Poor Rubio. He hasn’t figured out yet that he’s just a token “LATINO” to be trotted out like a dog and patted on the head. He’s NOT to be allowed at the big boy table though. He just needs to learn his place or they’ll send him back to the yard to cut grass.

TaxPayer

January 31st, 2013
9:24 am

The truth about fruits is that they should be washed before eating, just like leafy greens.

barking frog

January 31st, 2013
9:24 am

Rubio could be the next President …if he was a Democrat.

USinUK - always opinionated and seldom "ladylike"

January 31st, 2013
9:25 am

“That Rubio MIGHT be fighting a losing battle with his own party?”

does anyone know how Christie lines up on the issue?? would be interesting to see if it’s a Rubio vs. Christie debate as they start to pee on the GOP tree for the 2016 nomination … or if it’s Rubio AND Christie vs. the GOP …

Regnad Kcin

January 31st, 2013
9:25 am

“Dems have used the same tactic they use on blacks. They scare Latino’s into voting for them by handing out freebies then scaring them by saying Republicans will take them away.”

Because they’re not real, thinking people, and are easily manipulated, right, Itchy? Can you link to a law saying “Latinos get free stuff?” Or is this something you heard inside the con media bubble?

Maximum

January 31st, 2013
9:26 am

Poor itchy, thinks he’s learning the truth on Faux News …

USinUK - always opinionated and seldom "ladylike"

January 31st, 2013
9:26 am

“Many are not informed voters… Thats just facts”

yep .. and most of the uninformed voters watch FOX

Bhorsoft

January 31st, 2013
9:26 am

A corollary to one of your earlier columns. It is adds to the perception that the GOP is the party of WASP men.

USinUK - always opinionated and seldom "ladylike"

January 31st, 2013
9:27 am

Granny Godzilla

January 31st, 2013
9:28 am

Itchy Finger

January 31st, 2013
9:23 am

Granny Godzilla

Dems have used the same tactic they use on blacks. They scare Latino’s into voting for them by handing out freebies then scaring them by saying Republicans will take them away.
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You don’t seem to credit blacks and latinos with intelligence and free will of their own.

MMMMMMMMMMMMMM…what’s that indicate?

Many are not informed voters… Thats just facts… Its sad that you fruits can’t handle the truth….
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Ah nope, but the deflection surely does add to my suspicion that you don’t think black and brown folks are as smart as you.

MMMMM…again what does that indicate?

barking frog

January 31st, 2013
9:28 am

The Grand Old Party is now the Grand Obstructionist Party.

Paul

January 31st, 2013
9:28 am

You take a group with this many members, another group with that many members, a segment who cares strongly about this, another segment who scares strongly about that, you add them all up, alienate them all

And you’re the eternal minority party.

I’ll say it again: the fact Democrats are pushing this (realizing they need Republican support to get it passed) and realizing it (in the smaller sense) will benefit a group already closely aligned with Democrats and passing this will pave the way for a return of many to the Republican fold

shows how, on this issue, Democrats are willing to put the good of the country above political advantage.

Road Scholar

January 31st, 2013
9:28 am

“His fellow Republican senator, David Vitter of Louisiana, this week called Rubio’s stance on immigration “nuts” and “amazingly naive,” all the while expressing his enormous admiration for his Florida colleague.”

You insult someone who’s proposals are “Nuts” but then you heap praise on him? Is this the same Vitter who was caught in diapers having an affair? Credibility?

KUGF: Right on! There are “illegals” here from all continents. The ones conserves are concerned about are the ones that do not look like them! Or don’t talk like them! So have the “no amnesty” supporters started having cookie sales or raising money for the bus fair to get the illegals to leave? Put YOUR money where your mouth is? (Notice I didn’t say brain!)

I am a second generation American whose grandfather came here undocumented. He joined the army and gained his citizenship later. Has anyone noticed the last names of those who have died in our recent wars? Many are Hispanic and of different nationalities.

Besides the “amnesty” has a price, if you bothered to read the proposed conditions.

Seriously Folks

January 31st, 2013
9:28 am

For me, we have taken important issues like immigration reform and framed it in strictly political terms. Either Dem or Rep. Immigration is just good public policy no matter what your political stripes.

I get tired of people trying to shout down one good idea after another. You know this whole country, economy and lifestyle we enjoy has always been “fluid” as in “trail and error”…you try something, you tweak it if its not working, or scrap it if its a failure. Sorry, but to just stick your head in the sand on important issues like immigration, health care, gun safety, and job creation and just see who can shout “You suck” the loudest does NOT move the country forward.

We all have to keep an open mind about these things. And that is NOT in any fashion a monopoly of any political leanings. It reminds me of my favorite bumper sticker: “Minds are like parachutes, they only function when they are open!”

Itchy Finger

January 31st, 2013
9:31 am

Fred ™

Poor Rubio. He hasn’t figured out yet that he’s just a token “LATINO” to be trotted out like a dog and patted on the head. He’s NOT to be allowed at the big boy table though. He just needs to learn his place or they’ll send him back to the yard to cut grass.

Yeah I’m sure Susana Martinez, Ted Cruz, Raúl Labrador and Brian Sandoval all feel like tokens to. What high profile dem is there that may be Hispanic?

Regnad Kcin

January 31st, 2013
9:32 am

“A corollary to one of your earlier columns. It is adds to the perception that the GOP is the party of WASP men.”

I assure you, most of us want to see a viable republican party offering real solutions, rather than the current everr-shrinking, insular party of retrenchment we see today.

The perception you refer to above is reinforced by the fact that the republicans refer to anybody who is not far-far-right by the derisive term “RINO,” and seem to give short-shrift to the less fortunate in out society, which is made up largely of non-”Wasp men.”

Find Muck

January 31st, 2013
9:33 am

The dems are the ones that want to rush the issue through and automatically make them eligible
to vote(i.e.Lewis proposal to do that). The main thing is to not let the law breakers go to the head of the citizenship line and run roughshod over the law abiders who “play by the rules.” Lefty is counting on MOB RULE. Wasn’t it the dems that tried to block civil rights back in the 60’s?

Paul

January 31st, 2013
9:33 am

skipper

“It is a complicated thing……..wtf are we supposed to do; tell everybody “Come on in?””

It’s only complicated when adding in something that has nothing to do with the debate.

The debate is not about making it easier for people to get across the border (except for a few with degrees in match, science or engineering, but I didn’t think you were speaking of them)

It’s about what to do with those already here.

Road Scholar

January 31st, 2013
9:35 am

Seriously Folks: Right on! A mind is a terrible thing to waste!

resno2

January 31st, 2013
9:35 am

Maximum, 9:26 am, as opposed to getting your truth from Jay Carney?

fedup

January 31st, 2013
9:35 am

GOP is turning to the right and the Latinos are turning to the left.

HDB

January 31st, 2013
9:35 am

Itchy Finger
January 31st, 2013
9:12 am

To fix what you SHOULD have said….

Republicans/Conservatives have used the same tactics on Hispanics they use on blacks. They scare Latinos into not voting for them by creating policies like SB1070, marginalizing their vote, and “self-deportation”. Republicans/Conservatives have made Hispanics parallel to blacks in their eyes: the scapegoats for anything wrong….rather than looking at themselves and their racist paradigms.

THIS is more appropriate………

Granny Godzilla

January 31st, 2013
9:36 am

Mr. Muck:

MOB RULE?

Not everyone can carry off a fedora.

USinUK - always opinionated and seldom "ladylike"

January 31st, 2013
9:36 am

What high profile dem is there that may be Hispanic?

:lol: … really??? you going to bring that crap to our house???

Joe Baca (CA-43) (D)
Xavier Becerra (CA-31) (D)
Jim Costa (CA-20) (D)
Henry Cuellar (TX-28) (D)
Raúl Grijalva (AZ-07) (D)
Luis V. Gutierrez (IL-04) (D)
Senator Bob Menéndez (NJ-D)
Grace Napolitano (CA-38) (D)
Ed Pastor (AZ-04) (D)
Pedro Pierluisi (PR-At large) (D)
Silvestre Reyes (TX-16) (D)
Lucille Roybal-Allard (CA-34) (D)
Gregorio Sablan (MP-At large) (D)
Linda T. Sánchez (CA-39) (D)
José Serrano (NY-16) (D)
Albio Sires (NJ-13) (D)
Nydia Velázquez (NY-12) (D)

Whatever

January 31st, 2013
9:37 am

If I really thought this debate was about the good of the country and no politics I’d be more apt to be on board. It’s just really hard not to be jaded anymore.

rightwingextreme

January 31st, 2013
9:37 am

The GOP position toward the Latino minority mirrors its historic animosity to gay rights, affirmative action, minority voting protections, the Equal Rights Amendment for women and similar issues.

whoa there jay……

it has traditionally been democrats who have oppressed minorities.

Obama White House pays femail staffers less than male staffers
KKK – founded by democrats
Jim Crow Laws – enacted by democrats
Gun Control Laws post Civil War – enacted by democrats
Affirmative Action hinders and insults minorities as it tells them you aren’t good enough to get a job or school on your own merits…your skin color matters more. If someone hired me just because of my skin color I’d be insulted.

The ERA was not and is still not needed as those protections are already in the Constitution.

So called gay rights is a morality issue and shouldn’t be linked to Civil Rights. What next, calls to allow grown men to have sex with underage boys? Is that a civil right??

Latino issue…..democrats are pandering to Latinos by saying we don’t care if you broke the law….we’ll make you citizens so you vote for us. It’s just another massive vote buying scheme by the dems.

The message amnesty sends is this: The U.S. will not enforce it’s own laws or protect it’s border. If you go there, a certain political party will pander to you if you vote for them.

If Latino immigrants, who claim to love this country so much, want to be Americans do the following:
1) Go through the naturalization process like every other immigrant has done
2) Learn English
3) Learn American culture and leave the old country behind like so many other immigrants have done

fedup

January 31st, 2013
9:37 am

And we will have political tornadoes.

Road Scholar

January 31st, 2013
9:37 am

Find: “The main thing is to not let the law breakers go to the head of the citizenship line and run roughshod over the law abiders who “play by the rules.” ”

Exactly. The proposal does not allow an illegal that has committed a crime to become a citizen. It does not include all undocumented people.

Regnad Kcin

January 31st, 2013
9:38 am

“Maximum, 9:26 am, as opposed to getting your truth from Jay Carney?’

Please, throw off the shackles of binary thinking! Get your information from a variety of sources – you’ll be better informed! And, perhaps you’ll eventually lose that binary-thinking habit…

Union

January 31st, 2013
9:38 am

such a tough issue.. for libs.. dems.. its easy.. “come on in and we will take care of you” then someone has to be the mean old parent and ask.. how are we going to pay for this.. what are the limits.. how do we control this? california is bleeding at the seams for the cost of this..

HDB

January 31st, 2013
9:39 am

“Wasn’t it the dems that tried to block civil rights back in the 60’s?”

It was the CONSERVATIVES that tried to block civil rights in the 60’s….and those conservatives are now REPUBLICANS!! It was a coalition of Northeastern and Midwestern LIBERALS which were in the GOP in the 60’s along with LBJ that pushed through Civil Rights legislation……………….those liberals are now Democrats…………..

A Simple Man

January 31st, 2013
9:40 am

Again with the Fox news stuff? Who was it caught, again, manipulating video? The home of the Juanita Broderick scandal, the Ed Schultz fantasy world leading to a suspension and now the heckle-gate?

Anyway, someone has to have the nads to stop the flow of incoming illegals. Until then, it’s putting a thumb up to an ocean wave and hoping it retreats.

Oh, and don’t worry about who is first to post. Go back after a couple of days and be last. Then you win the arguments!

Bob

January 31st, 2013
9:41 am

Obama does not want to close down the borders as part of the deal proposed, what a surprise.

USinUK - always opinionated and seldom "ladylike"

January 31st, 2013
9:41 am

“femail ”

is that a letter with extra iron in it ??

Find Muck

January 31st, 2013
9:41 am

The undocumented are breaking the law simply by being here.

Regnad Kcin

January 31st, 2013
9:41 am

“Oh, and don’t worry about who is first to post. Go back after a couple of days and be last. Then you win the arguments!”

:D

rightwingextreme

January 31st, 2013
9:42 am

Granny Godzilla

January 31st, 2013
9:19 am
Itchy Finger

January 31st, 2013
9:12 am

Dems have used the same tactic they use on blacks. They scare Latino’s into voting for them by handing out freebies then scaring them by saying Republicans will take them away.
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You don’t seem to credit blacks and latinos with intelligence and free will of their own.

MMMMMMMMMMMMMM…what’s that indicate?

Democrats sure don’t!

Thomas Heyward Jr

January 31st, 2013
9:42 am

To hear Rush, Hannity, Levin, Boortz, and the GOP Q-Tips salivitate over Rubio should make every republican voter ashamed.
Dudes……get a clue, swallow your pride and join the DNC already….sheeesh.
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The REAL question/issue is……………being that women, illegal aliens, and gays will NOW serve in combat,……………………… when will the NEO-CONS (like Israel-firster Rubio) be compelled to do the same?
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lol

Cosby

January 31st, 2013
9:43 am

This problem exist because the DC elite failed to do their job – protect the boarders – We went through this with Regan and did not include protecting the boarders and now we are right back to where we started. First close the boparders, work with Mexico to make if attractive to stay in Mexico the look at a path to citzenship. But I guess if enough people break the law, then the law goes away…and to think what all this illegal immigration has cost…flooded emergency rooms, slave labor for the agriculture, lawn care, building trades – but Jay, I guess you believe in slavery…but then john Lewis wants everyone, including drug lords from Mexico to be able to vote…Obama advertising in Mexico how to get on food stamps then using homeland security to do the same..lets get thes illegals here, oput them on the system, allow them to vote for US and not those GOP guys who half way believe in some sort of individualism and responsibility and accountability…The USA just another third world country…thanks to the likes of Jay, Democratics and that wonderful guy Barry Soetore!

rightwingextreme

January 31st, 2013
9:43 am

Fred ™

January 31st, 2013
9:24 am
Poor Rubio. He hasn’t figured out yet that he’s just a token “LATINO” to be trotted out like a dog and patted on the head. He’s NOT to be allowed at the big boy table though. He just needs to learn his place or they’ll send him back to the yard to cut grass.

And this is a perfect illustration of how the left attempts to marginalize any minority who leaves the “democrat plantation”.

Mr Right, the FOXBOT

January 31st, 2013
9:43 am

Maximum, 9:26 am, as opposed to getting your truth from Jay Carney?

Ha! Did you see Carney, as always, as Jay does, as the libs always do, blame the GOP for the stinking economy!

Paul

January 31st, 2013
9:45 am

Hey Road, welcome back.

Did you bring Bosch with you? You’ve both been out a while.

HDB

January 31st, 2013
9:45 am

rightwingextreme
January 31st, 2013
9:37 am

Like I said before…it was the CONSERVATIVES that have been historically AGAINST minorities…..

KKK – founded by CONSERVATIVES
Jim Crow Laws – enacted by CONSERVATIVES
John Birch Society — created by CONSERVATIVES

Affirmative Action does nothing more but ensure that minorities are afforded the same ACCESS that the majorities have heretofore had a monopoly upon…nothing more!!

The ERA is still needed because minorities and women are discriminated against and paid less than white men……

Remember: conservatives wish to maintain the status quo….and who MAINTAINS the advantages if the status quo stays as is????

Steve

January 31st, 2013
9:47 am

Conservatives forget that much of the social progress they take for granted now are because of liberal ideas and movements. Not Dem, not Republican – LIBERAL. We forget how uptight and tied down we were in the 1960s and earlier.

The Republican party is dying. Blame yourselves and your ignorance, your racism, your fear of everyone and everything. Don’t blame Democrats or liberals.

resno2

January 31st, 2013
9:47 am

I get my news from various sources; ABC, NBC, MSN, CNN, FOX and occasionally the AJC (minus this blog, as this is for entertainment), and occasionally I hear something from the White House that sounds plausible. I throw it all against the wall and whatever sticks is what I usually go with.

Jay

January 31st, 2013
9:47 am

“whoa there jay……

it has traditionally been democrats who have oppressed minorities.”

So extreme, why then does almost every minority group vote heavily Democratic? Are they just stupid fools too ignorant to know who really loves them? How come they don’t see it the way that you see it, in your far superior wisdom and knowledge?

Steve

January 31st, 2013
9:48 am

Progressives = progress. Moving forward.

Itchy Finger

January 31st, 2013
9:48 am

USinUK – always opinionated and seldom “ladylike”:

Hmmm.. never heard of most of them…

JF McNamara

January 31st, 2013
9:48 am

Itchy Finger wrote

“Dems have used the same tactic they use on blacks. They scare Latino’s into voting for them by handing out freebies then scaring them by saying Republicans will take them away.”

You’ve made the dumbest comment I’ve ever read. Dems didn’t scare Black people. Republicans continually push Blacks away. What issue have the Republicans held in the last 50 years that would help level the playing field for Blacks?

Black people aren’t stupid. They vote in their best interest. Its almost ALWAYS best for them to vote Democrat. If it is in their best interest, they vote Republican. All of the rich Black people do.

USinUK - always opinionated and seldom "ladylike"

January 31st, 2013
9:49 am

Itchy – “Hmmm.. never heard of most of them…”

says more to me about your ignorance than about them or the Dems …

Itchy Finger

January 31st, 2013
9:50 am

Oh and the one Senator now tied up in a sex scandal… How many dem Governors are Hispanic? The people you listed are nobody’s as far as the national stage….

resno2

January 31st, 2013
9:50 am

KKK – founded by DEMOCRATS

barking frog

January 31st, 2013
9:50 am

the immigration debate is about Mexicans.

Paul

January 31st, 2013
9:51 am

rightwingextreme

You really think party labels mean the parties with those labels 150 years ago are the same parties we have today?

Really?

“gay rights is a morality issue and shouldn’t be linked to Civil Rights.”

Aren’t many of our current laws ‘morality issues?” You know, base on not hurting or oppressing others? Not denying them rights and privileges enjoyed by other citizens? Or do you have a new definition for morality?

(careful: Christian churches in the South 150 years ago justified slavery as a morality issue)

Duper

January 31st, 2013
9:52 am

Cosby’s got a clue, Heyward you’re hopeless

JR

Itchy Finger

January 31st, 2013
9:52 am

HDB

To fix what you SHOULD have said….

Republicans/Conservatives have used the same tactics on Hispanics they use on blacks. They scare Latinos into not voting for them by creating policies like SB1070, marginalizing their vote, and “self-deportation”. Republicans/Conservatives have made Hispanics parallel to blacks in their eyes: the scapegoats for anything wrong….rather than looking at themselves and their racist paradigms.

To fix reality of what you SHOULD have said….

Why is it so wrong to show an ID to vote? You have to in everyday life… Why is it so wrong to find out if a person is breaking the law? You fruits are mind numbing….

HDB

January 31st, 2013
9:53 am

USinUK – always opinionated and seldom “ladylike”
January 31st, 2013
9:36 am

You forgot these two members of Obama’s First Cabinet….to further your point!!

Ken Salazar — Secretary of the Interior (D-CO)
Hilda Solis – Secretary of Labor (D-CA)………

Itchy Finger

January 31st, 2013
9:53 am

USinUK – always opinionated and seldom “ladylike”:

You are brimming with brilliance I assume????

Paul

January 31st, 2013
9:54 am

“Oh and the one Senator now tied up in a sex scandal… ”

One anonymous accusation constitutes a ’sex scandal’?

That’s quite a world you live in, Itchy -

Common Sense

January 31st, 2013
9:55 am

Common Sense would tell you that if Latino’s would actually know and understand what the GOP stands for that they would be on their side. Most are Christians and believe in traditional values unlike the dem party…..

Paul

January 31st, 2013
9:55 am

itchy

you’re carrying on multiple affairs with underage aliens you encountered when their spaceships landed in your bedroom.

There. You’re the subject of a scandal.

And it isn’t even anonymous!

Granny Godzilla

January 31st, 2013
9:56 am

RWE

could you try and make sense?

Itchy Finger

January 31st, 2013
9:56 am

Paul:

If the shoe fits… He’s certainly scrambling now that his buddies office has been raided… He cancelled all his meetings for the rest of the week and even missed Kerry’s farewell to the Senate… Somethings up whether you fruits want to admit it or not…..

Jay

January 31st, 2013
9:58 am

“Common Sense would tell you that if Latino’s would actually know and understand what the GOP stands for that they would be on their side.”

Another example of “If the world disagrees with me, it’s the world’s fault for being stupid.”

resno2

January 31st, 2013
9:58 am

HOw about they scrap everything then maybe the clowns in Washington (ALL inclusive) will have time to pass a budget.

Paul

January 31st, 2013
9:58 am

Common Sense

“Most are Christians and believe in traditional values unlike the dem party….”

I’ll submit most Latinos have to common sense to know what’s being said by many Republican leaders is neither Christian in intent or traditional in civil societies -

resno2

January 31st, 2013
10:00 am

“If the world disagrees with me, it’s the world’s fault for being stupid.”

Sounds eerily similar to what Obama as been saying about the GOP, Fox News and Limbaugh.

the cat

January 31st, 2013
10:01 am

What does the term “fruit” mean to republicans? I see that a lot, particularly from “christians” posting but have no idea what it means. Am I being called an apple?

Doggone/GA

January 31st, 2013
10:01 am

“Another example of “If the world disagrees with me, it’s the world’s fault for being stupid.””

Shorter version: “They’re too stupid to understand our message”

Itchy Finger

January 31st, 2013
10:01 am

HDB:

Ken Salazar is a descendant from 16th century Spaniards. Wow that’s a reach… He can’t even speak Spanish… But he’s a nobody too along with Solis…

David Granger

January 31st, 2013
10:02 am

Jay, if you don’t think it’s all about the Latino vote, you’re bughouse nuts. If Hispanics voted primarily Republican instead of Democratic, then the sides would be switched. The Republicans would be pushing amnesty and the DREAM act, while the Democrats would be the ones talking about rewarding illegals for breaking our laws.

alex

January 31st, 2013
10:02 am

This is not a “latino” issue exclusively..it is an immigration issue, and more specifically could be called an illegal immigrant issue… Finally, it is to be understood that some republicans have stances regarding , say abortion because they believe in the sanctity of the unborn, that is a moral issue to them. They are not desirous of being all and inclusive than say, the most liberal. It is not what they are and they are perfectly fine with it. Furternore they can field respectable candidates that can win. Not eery time. not in every local..I do not agree with several of the far right positions and I don’t have to I have to decide if either party represents the majority of my philosophy,like rubio…Voting may be an absolute but the thinking is in relative terms. There is no overwhelming majority for either party at this point, small tweaks on each side can make absolute differences. It would be wise for both parties to realize that.

Jay

January 31st, 2013
10:02 am

As to Menendez, I still see no evidence on the allegations of underage sex.

But the senator’s failure to report the trips, his sudden repaying of the cost of those trips and other signs do not bode well for him.

Welcome to the Occupation

January 31st, 2013
10:03 am

If you are here, you belong here.

Period.

TaxPayer

January 31st, 2013
10:03 am

RWE

could you try and make sense?

I was wondering if perhaps I was absent when the special decoder rings were handed out but I’m glad to see that was not the case.

Doggone/GA

January 31st, 2013
10:04 am

“What does the term “fruit” mean to republicans?”

The world is like a bowl of granola: full of fruits, nuts and flakes

td

January 31st, 2013
10:04 am

The devil will be in the details with this legislation.

Conservatives are not opposed to legal immigration; they are opposed to illegal immigration be it crossing the border on foot or overstaying visas. What the progressives are promoting is to REWARD illegal immigration by granting amnesty.

Rubio has has a compromise plan that most conservatives could tolerate if certain parts are adhered too.

1: The borders MUST be secured and verified (due to what happened after the 1986 amnesty) before any other steps can take place. A tracking system to make sure people do not overstay visas must be in place first.
2: No current illegal can be granted automatic amnesty. They must come out into the light, register, pay fines for breaking the law in the first place, pay back taxes and be checked for criminal records.
3: If they accomplish all in number 2 then they can go through the regular process to apply for a green card and then citizenship but have a work visa in the meantime.

I would like to add the following items as a must see:

1: After the border has been verified as secure then any one crossing the border without the proper paperwork has committed a felony and after they have served their sentence then they are shipped back to their country of origin and am debarred from ever applying to come to this country.

2: After the border is secure then all illegals currently here have a date certain to declare their intent to ICE. If they do not declare in that date then to stay in this country will be considered a felony offense.

3: Any one that has registered and chooses to take advantage of staying here on a work visa without returning to their country of origin to wait on a green card then forfeits the chance of ever sponsoring visas for other family members.

Itchy Finger

January 31st, 2013
10:05 am

Jay:

They just raided his buddys place Jay….. Lets just wait and let it play out. He sure is defensive about it though…. I’m sure Alicia is embarrassed by this.. Poor gal…

Granny Godzilla

January 31st, 2013
10:06 am

David Granger

So the GOP members of the bi-partisan group that has brought the bill to this point are also bughouse nuts?

Best to keep your nuts together don’t ya think?

Class of '98

January 31st, 2013
10:07 am

“Put this problem behind us”????

That’s just priceless. Stupid, shortsighted and absurd. But priceless.

Steve

January 31st, 2013
10:07 am

Wow, are there really posters in here who do not understand the the GOP and DEM party have switched views since Lincoln’s era of Presidency?

Dem has not always = liberal, and GOP has not always = conservative. The parties have switched. The conservative racist dixiecrats all fled to the GOP in the 20th century.
LEARN SOMETHING please.

Itchy Finger

January 31st, 2013
10:07 am

Doggone/GA

“What does the term “fruit” mean to republicans?”

The world is like a bowl of granola: full of fruits, nuts and flakes

Fruit, nuts and flakes describes libs to a t….

it's a shame

January 31st, 2013
10:07 am

It’s a shame that this has even become a partisan issue. I’m a strong conservative but because I have had some insight into the illegal community I am for some level of immigration reform. What is funny to me is that many of my Republican friends want this also. Many have businesses where they need to employ illegals for their businesses to survive. And no, that’s not because they pay them less. They pay them very good wages. They just can’t find Americans who have the strong work ethic that the Hispanics have. These employers have also become fond of their employees. They want them and their children to succeed as Americans. I also have had the oportunity to work with many children of illegal immigrants. Some are legal themselves some are not. Many are so bright and love school and have all kinds of dreams and aspirations and deserve to not have their parents deported and deserve a shot at the American dream themselves.
On the other hand I know democrats (mostly working class African Americans but some older, “flower children” ) who scream constantly that the Mexicans are taking their jobs. Now, I don’t see this to be true but it just further baffles me that when you look at Washington this is made out to be such a partisan issue.
I also think it is a shame that the Hispanics are drawn to the left. One man from Mexico who my family became especially close to wanted to know why we didn’t like Obama. He said that there are a lot of advertisements and other talk on the Mexican radio stations about Obama and he sounds wonderful. This man had no idea the differece between liberals and conservatives. Based on the radio ads he considered himself to lean more toward the “Obama side”. However, when asked about issues like abortion, gay rights etc.. he was strongly conservative. Like most Latinos and Hispanics his family lives a deeply religious and conservative lifestlye but is being drawn in by the promises of the left.
It’s time to do something. I like Rubio and hope that he succeeds in passing something. I also hope that he gets the credit for it.

East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)

January 31st, 2013
10:09 am

…confirmation that the Grand Old Party isn’t changing…

They are not changing, they will not change. They will only try to frame the message to convince voters their way is the only way.

Granny Godzilla

January 31st, 2013
10:09 am

td

January 31st, 2013
10:04 am

The devil will be in the details with this legislation.

Conservatives are not opposed to legal immigration; they are opposed to illegal immigration be it crossing the border on foot or overstaying visas. What the progressives are promoting is to REWARD illegal immigration by granting amnesty.
.
.
.Progressive John McCain?

Progressive Marco Rubio?

Bughouse space is going pretty fast.

Common Sense

January 31st, 2013
10:09 am

Jay:

Well again common sense would tell you that if you watched mainstream media and read your blog that you would be convinced Republicans are evil and dems care about you….. But most people lack common sense now don’t they jay?

Look before I leap...

January 31st, 2013
10:09 am

Simple minds acting for political gain rarely create reasonable and effective legislation.
Being possessed of a simple mind myself, I don’t pretend to have a solution to the immigration issue.

But consider the following:
My B-I-L who works for INS, says it costs about $25,000 to deport someone from the country.
Multiply that by the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants in the country, and that comes to a tidy 275 BILLION dollars.
Consider also, removing a substantial source of relatively cheap labor from the agricultural industry isn’t going to do anything good for the price of a head of lettuce at the market.

People can bark about the injustice of granting amnesty all they want, but in the end, it will be economic reality that guides how we handle this issue.

USinUK - always opinionated and seldom "ladylike"

January 31st, 2013
10:09 am

“You are brimming with brilliance I assume????”

well, I don’t like to brag …

but, of course, I did leave of one Sonia Sotomayor