Political realities drive push for immigration reform

BUSH-JEREMY“I believe we can get it done. I’ll see you at the bill signing.”

– President George W. Bush in 2007,
expressing confidence in passage of a
major immigration reform package

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Of course, the bill signing envisioned by President Bush never did take place. Opposition from within his own party quickly doomed the measure, and the relationship between Republicans and Hispanic Americans has been all downhill ever since.

In 2004, Bush attracted 44 percent of the Hispanic vote on his way to re-election. In 2008, after the demise of the immigration bill, John McCain pulled just 31 percent. Mitt Romney, whose solution to the problem was self-deportation, got 27 percent in 2012. An ever-declining percentage of a fast-growing demographic group is a long-term formula for failure, as McCain himself reminded his party Monday.

“If we continue to polarize the Latino/Hispanic vote,” the Arizona senator said on CNN, “the demographics indicate that our chances of being in the majority are minimal.”

So this week, McCain  joined seven other U.S. senators — an equal mix of Republicans and Democrats — in announcing agreement on a broad, comprehensive immigration-reform package. Marco Rubio of Florida, a potential GOP presidential contender in 2016, was also among the group. And while that ought to be encouraging, the truth is that conservatives and liberals seem to have very different ideas about the details of the proposal, which at this point exists only as a vague description of principles.

The Hispanic Leadership Network, an offshoot of a major Republican SuperPAC, sent a memo to congressional Republicans this week, offering a series of friendly reminders about how to talk about immigration reform in public.

The Hispanic Leadership Network, an offshoot of a major Republican SuperPAC, sent a memo to congressional Republicans this week, offering a series of friendly reminders about how to talk about immigration reform in public.

Such broad descriptive language can sidestep or paper over major policy differences, but those differences become glaringly apparent once you start putting it into legislative language of “shall” and “shall not”. In one indication of the work ahead, senators don’t expect to have an actual bill to introduce until the end of March, and even that schedule is probably optimistic.

McCain, Rubio and other prominent Republicans know that their party would be damaged permanently if it is seen to be blocking yet another effort at immigration reform. Yet a different bloc of Republicans, most of them in the House, remains committed to oppose anything that might offer amnesty or a path to citizenship for those who came here illegally.

President Obama’s strained relationship with House Republicans adds another layer of difficulty to the problem. The president is scheduled to announce his own immigration-reform package today in Nevada, which is also the home state of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. Not coincidentally, the growing Latino vote has been crucial in turning Nevada from a red state to a blue state in the last two presidential elections.

Obama has promised to make immigration reform a primary goal of his second term in office, and like Reid, he’s under pressure to produce. However, he also recognizes that the pressure on Republicans is even more intense. The longer this problem remains unresolved, leaving some 10 to 12 million illegal immigrants in legal limbo, the more difficult it becomes for the GOP.

In Georgia, for example, non-white Hispanics make up an estimated 9 percent of the population, but they comprised barely 1 percent of the turnout in the 2012 election. Regardless of what happens in Washington, that second number is going to rise and rise quickly in future election cycles, and if Republicans can’t at least be competitive for that vote, things get very difficult.

– Jay Bookman

462 comments Add your comment

Midori

January 29th, 2013
10:09 am

Lord Help Us

January 29th, 2013
10:11 am

What a HUUUUGE chasm between the positions staked out by the GOP primary candidates a year ago and this legislation…

And their flock will follow…

Joe Hussein Mama

January 29th, 2013
10:12 am

The speed with which some Republicans have changed direction on this topic makes me wonder how many cases of whiplash there are on the right side of the congressional aisle.

Doggone/GA

January 29th, 2013
10:13 am

Personally, I don’t think it’s political “realities” that are pushing this. I think it’s political FEAR.

RB from Gwinnett

January 29th, 2013
10:14 am

It’s all about the votes, people. Nothing more.

barking frog

January 29th, 2013
10:16 am

President Obama, tear down that fence.

Lord Help Us

January 29th, 2013
10:16 am

‘It’s all about the votes, people. Nothing more.’

Uh, it’s also about over the top pandering to low information, emotion-controlled GOP primary voters…

TBS

January 29th, 2013
10:17 am

Guess there are trending demographic issues after all……………

td

January 29th, 2013
10:19 am

“leaving some 10 to 12 million illegal immigrants in legal limbo”

This is not the problem of resolving their status for some Republicans the problem is them being able to bring over an additional 20 plus million in the name of “Reunifying families”.

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

January 29th, 2013
10:20 am

The evolving Republican Party. Good, no? Seeing the error of their ways, they are coming around to the right side of history. Kinda like good ol Sen. Robert Byrd leaving the KKK.

mm

January 29th, 2013
10:23 am

The GOP is on a fools errand. They think they will gain Latino voters if they pass some type of reform.

However, the Latinos can see through this BS. Just listen to what McCain said. He doesn’t care about the Latinos, he only cares about their votes so the cons can gain power.

A vile, disgusting bunch of sore losers, those cons.

Mike

January 29th, 2013
10:23 am

I think this is very much needed, immigration reform that is, we are all immigrants in our families history at some point. Let’s not forget that. It is easy to forget as generations have gone by, but at some point our ancestors were clamoring to get in here as well. We should be grateful we live in a country that people are so eager to enter. I don’t hear about people lining up trying to get into many other countries in order to change their lives.

stands for decibels

January 29th, 2013
10:24 am

a series of friendly reminders about how to talk about immigration reform in public

Pretty sad that, in 2013, national-level elected officials apparently have to be told such things.

Lord Help Us

January 29th, 2013
10:24 am

‘Seeing the error of their ways, they are coming around to the right side of history.’

Next up, Science!

Then, we’ll tackle vaginal probes, and legitimate rape…

RB from Gwinnett

January 29th, 2013
10:25 am

Hey, let’s put another 10+MM on the programs roles with our “less fortunate”. What could possibly go wrong with that?!!!

Can we go ahead and get the promise to only “tax the rich” to pay for it out of the way too?

td

January 29th, 2013
10:25 am

As a conservative I want to see a couple other items in the actual bill.

1: On the date the border is considered secure then any illegal has X time frame to come forward and declare if they are going for citizenship or they must leave the country and if they do not leave then it is a felony..

2: After the date the border is secure then anyone crossing the border without proper documentation will be committing a Felony and after they serve their jail time then they are deported and can never come to here again.

3: No one staying and not going back to their country of origin first will never be allowed to bring their families here.

4: States will be allowed to assist the Federal government in immigration enforcement. 387g program for all states and the Feds are REQUIRED to pick up any illegal with 72 hours and shall prosecute them.

5: Tracking chips in all Temporary visas and the Feds are required to find the people if they overstay the visa.

The devil will be in the details.

Look before I leap...

January 29th, 2013
10:25 am

The GOP has done such a good job of portraying hispanic (read Mexican) immigrants as lazy, tequila swigging, public assistance moochers over the last couple of decades. The GOP are now a victim of that PR campaign.

The reality is, most hispanics are hard-working, family values, Catholic conservatives. A voting bloc that should be squarely in the GOP corner.

One of these days, the GOP may wake up and realize that pandering to the fears of their established white base is ultimately self-defeating.

mmm

January 29th, 2013
10:28 am

Plenty of legal Latino immigrants have the same opinion of illegal immigration and illegal immigrants that many Republicans do. When people do things the right way, they tend to resent people who do it illegally and get rewarded for it.

Ronald Reagan

January 29th, 2013
10:28 am

Liberals are the Loco party! Mucho idiots! Vote Liberal & you will set your family back for generations. Under Liberal leadership (herding) ,In ten years immigrants will be sneaking back across the border!

off topic

January 29th, 2013
10:29 am

In Missouri, murderers can get food stamps, but those with drug convictions can’t

Get out of prison for murder, child molestation or just about any other felony in Missouri and you can still get food stamps.
But if you have a felony drug conviction, forget it. You’re banned for life.
To Johnny Waller, who had a drug conviction in his past, that just doesn’t seem fair. And that’s why the 34-year-old Kansas City resident traveled this week, as he has for years, to the state Capitol to speak out for legislation lifting the lifetime ban.
“I just believe everyone should get a second chance,” he said.
Missouri is one of only nine states where a felony drug conviction means a lifetime ban from ever qualifying for food stamps. Congress allows states to opt out of the ban, which was imposed in 1996 as part of welfare reform legislation. To date, 41 states and the District of Columbia have lifted or modified the ban, including Kansas in 2006.
Waller believes he’s the poster child for why Missouri should change its ways, because he has. He was 18 when he was convicted of possession of narcotics with the intent to sell, a felony that landed him in prison for more than two years.
But in the 13 years since completing his sentence, Waller said he’s stayed on the straight and narrow. He started a business and eventually went back to school. He’s currently attending Rockhurst University on an academic scholarship.
He even received a pardon last year from the governor of Nebraska for his crime, which he committed in that state.
Yet under current state law, he would still be permanently ineligible for food stamps.

http://midwestdemocracy.com/articles/in-missouri-murderers-can-get-food-stamps-but-not-those-with-drug-convictions/

fedup

January 29th, 2013
10:31 am

Obama’s strained relationship with the Rs in the house. Remember “you lie”. There are bunches of those types of Rs are in the house. They will never support anything Obama puts forward.

weetamoe

January 29th, 2013
10:31 am

The bipartisan proposal makes sense. Once basic agreements of border security and equal protection under the law are guaranteed there should be little resistance. But Obama has his own agenda, and it is a strictly political one. He does not want to lose the advantage he has enjoyed from sowing discord, and convincing target groups that republicans do not like (and even hate) them is one of his main strategies. You can see evidence of his influence in the remarks on this blog. So today he spends over a million dollars to fly across the country to announce something that–if he truly wanted to improve immigration policy–he would address at the White House with the bipartisan group in attendance. Since democrats would receive no benefit from working with republicans on this issue, expect delays until after mid-term elections, along with hand-wringing and lamentations about republican *intransigence.*

Granny Godzilla

January 29th, 2013
10:31 am

Rush Limbaugh yesterday:

“It’s up to me and Fox News to stop immigration reform”

Now there’s a test for the GOP members involved…..

td

January 29th, 2013
10:31 am

Marco Rubio will be on the Rush show this afternoon trying to sell this proposal to Rush and his 30 million listeners. If he can pull this off and stand to the principles he sets out then he has a great chance of becoming the next President.

Aquagirl

January 29th, 2013
10:32 am

They should have shortened the Republican talking points reminder to “keep your mouth shut.”

Joe Hussein Mama

January 29th, 2013
10:32 am

LB4 Leap — “The reality is, most hispanics are hard-working, family values, Catholic conservatives. A voting bloc that should be squarely in the GOP corner.”

Exactly what my Hispanic wife says. She is absolutely gobsmacked at how the GOP let this huge potential opportunity get away from them. In her opinion, if the GOP had figured out early on that Hispanics were already culturally inclined to many conservative principles (instead of just pushing back against ‘the other’), then that prescience would be now paying dividends in the form of a huge, pro-Republican voting bloc.

Instead, what the Republicans succeeded in creating were a couple of generations worth of Hispanics who have been successfully *taught* to distrust and oppose Republicans *even despite* their moral similarities.

Well done, GOP. And THANKS! :D

F. Sinkwich

January 29th, 2013
10:32 am

Amnesty!

Kewl…

Morality?

January 29th, 2013
10:33 am

Jay – “Hispanics represent 9 % of Georgia but only 1% voted”.. does that 9% include illegal aliens and those under the voting age – neither of which currently votes? How do you determine the % of Hispanics in Georgia since many migrate from job to job? Of course illegal aliens don’t answer poll questions and don’t volunteer to be counted…….. the number of Hispanics is unknown.

Ronald Reagan Parkway

January 29th, 2013
10:33 am

Another excellent article Jay!

the cat

January 29th, 2013
10:37 am

Marco Rubio President????

hahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahahaha, you so funny.

stands for decibels

January 29th, 2013
10:38 am

how many cases of whiplash there are on the right side

Reminds me–around the time of the latest Roe v. Wade anniversary, I heard tell about Nixon’s “northern strategy”, wherein he (and the national party, eventually) did a very similar about-face. They had been about as pro-choice as the Dems, but there was an opportunity, they thought, to peel off Catholic voters who tended to back Democrats.

Of course it turned out to be a lot more complicated than that (for one thing, actual Catholic voters turned out not to be anywhere near as monolithic in their beliefs as imagined).

In this case, I suspect it’s every bit as complicated; being “soft” on undocumented immigrants is (I suspect) a real deal-killer for some voters. They may simply turn apathetic, or they may go the protest-vote route.

Lest I sound like a hopeless cynic, however:

Seeing the error of their ways, they are coming around to the right side of history.

GH, one can credibly believe that, or one more simply can call it “enlightened self-interest”, which is close to the same thing.

Generally, I do think it’s all good, and it’s all part of the arc of the universe being long but bending toward justice, like Dr. King said. No matter how sordid the resulting legislative sausage-making may turn out to be.

the cat

January 29th, 2013
10:38 am

and td has just confirmed from where he gets his information.

Paul

January 29th, 2013
10:38 am

Democrats have been pursuing it because it’s the right thing to do. Republicans now pursue it because the demographics and political reality have turned against them. But, if demographic and political reality compel change, then good.

Democrats are willing to do this even if it means Hispanics rebound back to the Republican party. Yet a significant segment of Republicans will continue to oppose any and all reform if it differs in any way from what they want. You can lead an elephant to water, bend his trunk , submerge it and squeeze it, but you still can’t make him drink.

Go San Francisco

January 29th, 2013
10:38 am

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Lord Help Us

January 29th, 2013
10:39 am

How long before Sarah Palin joins Fred Thompson hawking reverse mortgage ripoffs to senior citizens?

the cat

January 29th, 2013
10:40 am

should have written “information”

Ronald Reagan

January 29th, 2013
10:40 am

If the immigration laws are passed can the Liberal aliens vote twice in an election too?

Morality?

January 29th, 2013
10:42 am

Jay – the KEY word here is not HISPANIC, though I do understand the left’s wanting to deal the RACE CARD. The KEY word is ILLEGAL. Jay – just try to illegally enter another country (including Mexico) and see what happens to you. They protect their borders and we should also. You are welcome here if you are not a criminal and if you come through the front door LEGALLY. I have nothing against Hispanics – please have the respect to enter our country legally.

Look before I leap...

January 29th, 2013
10:42 am

“If he can pull this off and stand to the principles…”

Or he’ll get eaten alive in the GOP primary by some race-baiting tea party wanker.

Jefferson

January 29th, 2013
10:42 am

The plan is way too lengthy a wait and the fines won’t be paid. Just give em a SSN and a hearty welcome. Employers will never get the penalities they deserve.

The other half of your brain.

January 29th, 2013
10:43 am

off topic

January 29th, 2013
10:29 am

In Missouri, murderers can get food stamps, but those with drug convictions can’t

OffTopic, It seems that he did ok for 13 years so why does he want food stamps? If he could have gotten them he would probably have not made anything of his life.
So it seems to me that the law did him some good.

barking frog

January 29th, 2013
10:43 am

Ronald Reagan
If the immigration laws are passed can the Liberal aliens vote twice in an election too?
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Only if they vote Republican.

GT

January 29th, 2013
10:44 am

You can’t have rednecks and immigrants under the same tent, just won’t work until the bullies grow up and then they won’t be rednecks will they?

Please let the Republicans in the House have their way, it is destroying them in a midrange future. I think the Democrats can take an election in Georgia and this vote especially in North Georgia congressional districts could send more congressmen to Washington wearing blue. These fools can’t see their nose in front of their face and here’s hoping they never will. Mean, guns and redneck educated hate doesn’t work any more. Immigration is a formula that has worked in this country since its birth. They are second amendment lovers that talk about what our forefathers meant on one subject and have no clue what this country means to those that yearn to be free. The greatness of this country was its door of opportunity which looking at those faces yesterday tells you somehow we have missed the boat here in Georgia.

alex

January 29th, 2013
10:47 am

Granny if you are obssessed with differences and far wing elements of either party, you cannot be “party” to conciliation or meaningful reform, in short ADD to the discussion don’t ALWAYS Subtract from it…

Immigration reform is moral and right , those here and contributing need a meaningful pathway to citizenship, I’ll vote for either party who is rational. As the som of immigrants who were given an opportunity to leave post war europe in 1951, I would like to see America open it’s arms…

RB from Gwinnett

January 29th, 2013
10:49 am

“The GOP has done such a good job of portraying hispanic (read Mexican) immigrants as lazy, tequila swigging, public assistance moochers ”

Looks like somebody hasn’t a clue what’s really going on. Pretty much everybody regards these mexicans as hard workers who will show up for work, work hard, and not steal your tools on the way to the 15 passenger Kia at the end of the day.

However, we’re also aware that life is full of choices. Today, their choice is to come here, work hard, make money, and eat, OR stay in Mexico and starve or be killed. When they find section 8 housing, food stamps, and the rest of the “programs” more lucrative than work, they’ll likely make the same decisions as many of our “less fortunate”. Don’t worry, though, I’m sure Obama will tax the rich to cover at least 5% of the money required for that too so allyou whiny little cookie eating liberals will feel good about him doing something even if what he does is mere window dressing. Remember to chew your cookie fully so you don’t choke on it like our nation is.

The other half of your brain.

January 29th, 2013
10:49 am

alex

January 29th, 2013
10:47 am

Granny if you are obssessed with differences and far wing elements of either party, you cannot be “party” to conciliation or meaningful reform, in short ADD to the discussion don’t ALWAYS Subtract from it…

Immigration reform is moral and right , those here and contributing need a meaningful pathway to citizenship, I’ll vote for either party who is rational. As the som of immigrants who were given an opportunity to leave post war europe in 1951, I would like to see America open it’s arms…

Alex, Very well said.

DownInAlbany

January 29th, 2013
10:49 am

It appears that the key compromise will be border security. The pubs say, secure borders come first. Obama says that the path to citizenship comes first. We’ll see…

Look before I leap...

January 29th, 2013
10:50 am

“Jay – the KEY word here is not HISPANIC,”

How incredibly naive (or self-deluded).
I see plenty of calls for a fence along the border with Mexico.
Canadian border? not so much.

td

January 29th, 2013
10:50 am

GT

January 29th, 2013
10:44 am

Conservatives do not oppose immigration. They oppose Illegal immigration. Either we are a nations of laws or we are a lawless nation.

Morality?

January 29th, 2013
10:51 am

I’m going to vote 3rd party after the next election – which will follow the Great “D” II of 2013 for which Obama will go down in history as Herbert Hoover II. Hispanics will leave as fast as they got here when there is nothing left to come here for. Unemployment will reach 20 +%. The FISCAL CLIFF is a guaranteed disaster…….. just a matter of time.

td

January 29th, 2013
10:52 am

Look before I leap…

January 29th, 2013
10:50 am

“Jay – the KEY word here is not HISPANIC,”

How incredibly naive (or self-deluded).
I see plenty of calls for a fence along the border with Mexico.
Canadian border? not so much.

And how many illegal immigrants cross then Canadian border vs the Mexican border?

Robert Lee - Cogito ergo zoom

January 29th, 2013
10:52 am

Other half……I dopn;t beleive he is seeking the benefits, just protesting that Missouri does not allow them for anyone convicted of a felony drug offense.

Morality, are you beairng false witness? You said you were leaving for a 10:30 appointment earlier…..

Get me Rex Kramer

January 29th, 2013
10:53 am

Jay, the sticking point will be your party’s objection to closing the border. Why would anyone vote for a path to citzenship for 12M illegal immigrants, if the flow won’t ever stop? We can’t afford the entitlement programs for our own citizens, much less millions more.

The other half of your brain.

January 29th, 2013
10:53 am

Look before I leap…

January 29th, 2013
10:50 am

“Jay – the KEY word here is not HISPANIC,”

How incredibly naive (or self-deluded).
I see plenty of calls for a fence along the border with Mexico.
Canadian border? not so much.

When was the last time you saw a Canadian sneaking across our border, It’s probably the other way around.

Look before I leap...

January 29th, 2013
10:55 am

” Unemployment will reach 20 +%. The FISCAL CLIFF is a guaranteed disaster…….. just a matter of time.”

Just spit-ballin here, but I am guessing you have a tattoo of Henny Penny on your arm.

Regnad Kcin

January 29th, 2013
10:55 am

“OffTopic, It seems that he did ok for 13 years so why does he want food stamps? If he could have gotten them he would probably have not made anything of his life.
So it seems to me that the law did him some good.”

Half-a-brain – it seems you’ve well-and-truly stereotyped this fellow to fit some narrative you’ve made up. Since this is a real-life person, maybe you want to find out about the reality before you go making up stories in you head.

Or not. :) It’s always your choice, right?

Not Blind

January 29th, 2013
10:55 am

The plight of our black citizens has worsened as the numbers of illegal aliens and their anchor babies has exploded. It’s ironic that the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment was meant to be a boon to the offspring of slaves but now the 14th has been transformed into a tool for the further reduction in the standard of living of too many black families.

barking frog

January 29th, 2013
10:57 am

td
Conservatives do not oppose immigration. They oppose Illegal immigration. Either we are a nations of laws or we are a lawless nation.
………………………………………………………………………………
guess we will be lawless until a Republican president does the amnesty thingie again

stands for decibels

January 29th, 2013
10:57 am

by the way:

[Hispanics] comprised barely 1 percent of the [GA] turnout in the 2012 election.

Really? I’d not heard that.

Rather astonishing, but it certainly provides weight to my argument that a state that gave Obama 47% of the vote (from a motivated African-American citizenry, at the time) in 2008 has the potential to turn blue a lot faster than some people seem to realize.

The other half of your brain.

January 29th, 2013
10:58 am

Robert Lee – Cogito ergo zoom

January 29th, 2013
10:52 am

Other half……I dopn;t beleive he is seeking the benefits, just protesting that Missouri does not allow them for anyone convicted of a felony drug offense.

Robert, I realize that, my point is why should any felon receive food stamps?, let them go to work and earn a living and if that’s hard for them then they should not have committed a felony.

I have no problem helping working people with any kind of aid when they need it.

Jefferson

January 29th, 2013
10:58 am

Granny Godzilla

January 29th, 2013
10:59 am

alex

January 29th, 2013
10:47 am

Granny if you are obssessed with differences and far wing elements of either party, you cannot be “party” to conciliation or meaningful reform, in short ADD to the discussion don’t ALWAYS Subtract from it…

I’m quite sure Mr Limbaugh simply does not get that , my biggest problem with that man

Immigration reform is moral and right , those here and contributing need a meaningful pathway to citizenship, I’ll vote for either party who is rational. As the som of immigrants who were given an opportunity to leave post war europe in 1951, I would like to see America open it’s arms…

well said

Regnad Kcin

January 29th, 2013
10:59 am

“And how many illegal immigrants cross then Canadian border vs the Mexican border?’

td – if you were a terrorist, which one would you cross?

Marty Huggins'

January 29th, 2013
11:00 am

Paul @ 10:38

Do you honestly believe that republicans only do something for votes while dems are only perusing legislation “because it is the right thing to do”?

Well I can say you have been listening and learning from our president.

Both sides do things for votes but both sides also want what they feel is best for the nation.

Maybe just maybe if more people would try to respect that about each other our country would be in a better place.

But apparently it is more serviceable for some to vilify which ever side is the other side. Usually trying to discount their ideas as having alternative deceitful motivations.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

January 29th, 2013
11:00 am

Well, seems to me McCain and Bookman don’t understand good old-fashioned hate. We’d rather lose every election than make legal a bunch of Mexicans that will just turn around and vote for Democrats anyway.

Reminds me of the old story of the frog and the scorpion rowing in a boat together. The frog told the scorpion, “Don’t sting me or I’ll die and you’ll wind up drowning.” The scorpion promised. Then halfway across the scorpion jumps up and stings the frog. The frog while dying asks the scorpion, “Why’d you sting me? Now we’re both going to die.” The scorpion said, “Because it’s my nature.”

Well, hating the illegals is part of our nature, even if it kills us.

Have a good Tuesday everybody.

The other half of your brain.

January 29th, 2013
11:01 am

Reggie, I didn’t make anything up, the man was a drug dealer, I guess you libs love them and want to help them out. That’s your choice.

Morality?

January 29th, 2013
11:01 am

Look before you leap – Canadians protect their border very well – coming in and going out. Mexico won’t let you in without a passport. If Mexican citizens wish to leave Mexico – papers aren’t so necessary. It is not Mexico’s responsibility to cover our border but they do protect THEIR border against illegal intruders and they will be punished – quite rightly so.

barking frog

January 29th, 2013
11:01 am

Morality?
I’m going to vote 3rd party after the next election – which will follow the Great “D” II of 2013 for which Obama will go down in history as Herbert Hoover II. Hispanics will leave as fast as they got here when there is nothing left to come here for. Unemployment will reach 20 +%. The FISCAL CLIFF is a guaranteed disaster…….. just a matter of time.
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is this a revelation or a calculation ?

Granny Godzilla

January 29th, 2013
11:02 am

rightwingextreme

January 29th, 2013
11:02 am

fedup

January 29th, 2013
10:31 am
Obama’s strained relationship with the Rs in the house. Remember “you lie”. There are bunches of those types of Rs are in the house. They will never support anything Obama puts forward.

bammy’s not helping with his “I won” statement either.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 29th, 2013
11:03 am

As Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) explained during a Sunday appearance on ABC’s This Week, “We are losing dramatically the Hispanic vote, which we think should be ours for a variety of reasons, and we’ve got to understand that.”

Seems to be motivational to me. :roll:

Recon 0311 2533

January 29th, 2013
11:04 am

As important as immigration reform is our paramount problem is the debt crises. It’s amazing that both parties put this issue at the top of the list. Anything that we can’t afford at this critical time needs to go on the back burner.

barking frog

January 29th, 2013
11:05 am

Morality ?
Look before you leap – Canadians protect their border very well – coming in and going out. Mexico won’t let you in without a passport. If Mexican citizens wish to leave Mexico – papers aren’t so necessary. It is not Mexico’s responsibility to cover our border but they do protect THEIR border against illegal intruders and they will be punished – quite rightly so.
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Never been to Canada bit I have only needed a driver’s license to enter
or leave Mexico, have things changed?

Look before I leap...

January 29th, 2013
11:06 am

“And how many illegal immigrants cross then Canadian border vs the Mexican border?”

You make my point for me:
The issue IS Hispanic illegal immigration since that is the overwhelming proportion of the number of people who are here sans the benefit of a visa or green card. To deny that is to leave a huge part of the issue out of any possible solution.

stands for decibels

January 29th, 2013
11:06 am

How long before Sarah Palin joins Fred Thompson hawking reverse mortgage ripoffs to senior citizens?

I think she’ll be hawking non-prescription boner pills, no?

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

January 29th, 2013
11:09 am

Never been to Canada bit I have only needed a driver’s license to enter
or leave Mexico, have things changed?

You now need a passport to enter Canada, unless you get some kind of semi-permanent work pass available to US residents with regular jobs in Canada.

barking frog

January 29th, 2013
11:09 am

stands
I think she’ll be hawking non-prescription boner pills, no?
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I think she is a non-prescription boner pill for Republicans..

Regnad Kcin

January 29th, 2013
11:10 am

“I think she’ll be hawking non-prescription boner pills, no?”

Somehow I picture her with a regular 5-minute spot on FOX News – kind of a cross between Andy Rooney and Rosanne Rosannadanna…

TBS

January 29th, 2013
11:10 am

The recent downturn in illegals immigration can be traced to the downturn in the economy as much as anything.

As long as businesses in the US hire them, there will be illegals.

TBS

January 29th, 2013
11:12 am

*illegal immigration

[...] Battle Against Immigration ReformHuffington PostWashington Post (blog) -Voice of America -Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog)all 1,283 news [...]

indigo

January 29th, 2013
11:14 am

It’s painfully clear we have millions of illegals in America.

It’s equally clear laws had to be broken left and right for many years for such a situation to exist.

For some reason, those who failed to enforce our immigration laws for all those years have never been brought to justice.

I wonder why that is?

[...] path to legal immigration, in one chartWashington Post (blog)CBS News -Voice of America -Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog)all 1,320 news [...]

barking frog

January 29th, 2013
11:16 am

How is it that you cannot see a typo before you hit the submit button
but can see it immediately after you hit the submit button ?

Morality?

January 29th, 2013
11:16 am

Robert Lee – I changed my appointment to Thursday just for you – well not really just for you but I did change it. Frog – It is a revelation and a calculation…… I determined that this country was headed toward the FISCAL CLIFF BO (before Obama) and B “W”) before “W” . The SOCIALIST social Fed Gub’ment programs have been expanding like a cancer on the FISCAL future destruction of the USA for decades. The unfunded and under funded big Fed gub’ment did not begin with “W” or Obama. All they did was speed up the looming disaster. I did not vote “W” nor Obama. I am a FISCAL conservative and “W” and Obama are FISCAL, spend beyond your means, LIBERALS. They BOTH voted to bail out the crooked banks. I voted for Ross Perot who warned us of this coming FISCAL disaster. Both “W” and Obama are PARTY LOYALISTS above USA LOYALTY for the survival of our FISCAL. Obama is not like you – he is a member of the dreaded 1 %. Obama has 4 mansions, tended to by gardeners and housekeepers, in 4 different states.

Joe

January 29th, 2013
11:16 am

What part of ” ILLEGAL ‘ don’t any of you morons understand.

.. here is the definition of what it means to do something ILLEGAL!
” Contrary to or forbidden by law ”

What do we do to people who break the law in this country?

You’re right Bobby, we give them amnesty, government aid, drivers licensee, jobs.. ridiculous.

So or later, this country is going to see a revolution, hope all you anti gun libs can defend yourselves, because you’re 11 million ILLEGAL non-law abiding citizens aren’t going to help you.

Robert Lee - Cogito ergo zoom

January 29th, 2013
11:17 am

Other half – Reggie, I didn’t make anything up, the man was a drug dealer, I guess you libs love them and want to help them out. That’s your choice.

The point is that Missouri WILL provide food stamps to murderers, rapists, armed robbers, etc, but not to drug felons. I can understand the opinions for not allowing any felons to receive food stamps but why jsut exclude the drug dealers? Seems kind of dumb to me.

Owl

January 29th, 2013
11:17 am

As it is proposed- these folks must learn English and pay “back” taxes. This won’t happen- it will turn into a free and clear amnesty in the end based on voter registration applications.

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 29th, 2013
11:17 am

frog

How is it that you cannot see a typo before you hit the submit button
but can see it immediately after you hit the submit button ?
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hangovers for many here I think

:-)

Morality?

January 29th, 2013
11:21 am

Indigo – Are you saying the USA should enforce immigration laws and protect the border? If so – tell that to Obama.

TBS

January 29th, 2013
11:21 am

Morality

While Obama is surely in the 1% you mentioned, can you name where the houses he owns are located?

Thanks

barking frog

January 29th, 2013
11:22 am

Morality?
Obama is not like you
…………………………………..
a glimmer of truth……

Look before I leap...

January 29th, 2013
11:22 am

“As long as businesses in the US hire them, there will be illegals.”

True, but simplistic and incomplete.
When it comes to Mexican illegal immigrants, they can earn anywhere from 2 to 9 times as much as they can in Mexico.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 29th, 2013
11:22 am

A new Fox News poll finds that two-thirds of Americans support comprehensive immigration reform, with a clear pathway to citizenship based on certain conditions. That includes a majority of Republicans, at 56 percent.

Our cons apparently comprise the 44% minority of their own party

td

January 29th, 2013
11:23 am

Look before I leap…

January 29th, 2013
11:06 am

“And how many illegal immigrants cross then Canadian border vs the Mexican border?”

You make my point for me:
The issue IS Hispanic illegal immigration since that is the overwhelming proportion of the number of people who are here sans the benefit of a visa or green card. To deny that is to leave a huge part of the issue out of any possible solution.

I guess you did not read what I wrote on page one about visas.

According to Rubio overstaying visas are responsible for 40% of our illegal immigrant problem. That means the other 60% cross over the southern border.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 29th, 2013
11:24 am

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_the_democrats_buy_a_mansion_for_Obama_in_Hawaii

LOL

A myth as always.

The Obama’s certainly aren’t broke but they just paid off their student loans not long ago.

What money they do have came from best selling books.

Where do you guys get this stuff ?

Paul

January 29th, 2013
11:24 am

Marty Huggins

“Do you honestly believe that republicans only do something for votes while dems are only perusing legislation “because it is the right thing to do”?

Well I can say you have been listening and learning from our president.

Both sides do things for votes but both sides also want what they feel is best for the nation.

Maybe just maybe if more people would try to respect that about each other our country would be in a better place.

But apparently it is more serviceable for some to vilify which ever side is the other side. Usually trying to discount their ideas as having alternative deceitful motivations.”

How about this?

A Republican president wanted to take action because he wanted to do the right thing for the country. His party fought him every step of the way and offered nothing realistic. This alienated a goodly portion of the party, who switched sides. Some Republican leaders saw the effects of their intransigence and began to work toward a solution. And are still being fought by other Republican leaders.

Do both sides take actions to secure allegiance from groups? Sure. But a key point here is one I mentioned: this action, if successful, could cost Democrats votes. If successful, it could gain Republicans votes. Yet Democrats are still pursuing it. So the scales on this issue can be viewed as expediency for Republicans, good of the country for Democrats.

Morality?

January 29th, 2013
11:25 am

Why is Obama calling for those illegally here to pay a FINE to the Fed gub’ment but he will allow them to remain? Just another desperate attempt by this Prez to “redistribute” the wealth to the Fed gub’ment.

barking frog

January 29th, 2013
11:25 am

Joe
because you’re 11 million ILLEGAL non-law abiding citizens aren’t going to help you.
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but they will have guns thanks to pro gun folks

skipper

January 29th, 2013
11:26 am

We have had laws on the books for years….they were never enforced. Everybody was quick to pass judgement on Arizona since most of them were not directly on the border (like the Arizonans are) and only saw the problems encountered with an outsiders view. Like race-relations……if one lives in an all-white or all black area, the view is different than the problems encountered by those that are meshed together and therefore have a close-up and personal view. I understand this is a nation of immigrants, but all of them should be here legally and go thtough all proper channels. Funny; some folks want the laws THEY want, but if it is not a law they specifically want, then it has to be wrong.!!
No doubt something had to be done…..but we do not have tons of folks crossing the Mexican border; they handle those pretty quickly………