Political realities drive push for immigration reform

First?

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The speed with which some Republicans have changed direction on this topic makes me wonder how many cases of whiplash there are on the right side of the congressional aisle.

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It’s all about the votes, people. Nothing more.

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‘It’s all about the votes, people. Nothing more.’

Uh, it’s also about over the top pandering to low information, emotion-controlled GOP primary voters…

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“leaving some 10 to 12 million illegal immigrants in legal limbo”

This is not the problem of resolving their status for some Republicans the problem is them being able to bring over an additional 20 plus million in the name of “Reunifying families”.

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The GOP is on a fools errand. They think they will gain Latino voters if they pass some type of reform.

However, the Latinos can see through this BS. Just listen to what McCain said. He doesn’t care about the Latinos, he only cares about their votes so the cons can gain power.

A vile, disgusting bunch of sore losers, those cons.

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a series of friendly reminders about how to talk about immigration reform in public

Pretty sad that, in 2013, national-level elected officials apparently have to be told such things.

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Hey, let’s put another 10+MM on the programs roles with our “less fortunate”. What could possibly go wrong with that?!!!

Can we go ahead and get the promise to only “tax the rich” to pay for it out of the way too?

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The GOP has done such a good job of portraying hispanic (read Mexican) immigrants as lazy, tequila swigging, public assistance moochers over the last couple of decades. The GOP are now a victim of that PR campaign.

The reality is, most hispanics are hard-working, family values, Catholic conservatives. A voting bloc that should be squarely in the GOP corner.

One of these days, the GOP may wake up and realize that pandering to the fears of their established white base is ultimately self-defeating.

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Liberals are the Loco party! Mucho idiots! Vote Liberal & you will set your family back for generations. Under Liberal leadership (herding) ,In ten years immigrants will be sneaking back across the border!

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Obama’s strained relationship with the Rs in the house. Remember “you lie”. There are bunches of those types of Rs are in the house. They will never support anything Obama puts forward.

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Rush Limbaugh yesterday:

“It’s up to me and Fox News to stop immigration reform”

Now there’s a test for the GOP members involved…..

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They should have shortened the Republican talking points reminder to “keep your mouth shut.”

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Amnesty!

Kewl…

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Another excellent article Jay!

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how many cases of whiplash there are on the right side

Reminds me–around the time of the latest Roe v. Wade anniversary, I heard tell about Nixon’s “northern strategy”, wherein he (and the national party, eventually) did a very similar about-face. They had been about as pro-choice as the Dems, but there was an opportunity, they thought, to peel off Catholic voters who tended to back Democrats.

Of course it turned out to be a lot more complicated than that (for one thing, actual Catholic voters turned out not to be anywhere near as monolithic in their beliefs as imagined).

In this case, I suspect it’s every bit as complicated; being “soft” on undocumented immigrants is (I suspect) a real deal-killer for some voters. They may simply turn apathetic, or they may go the protest-vote route.

Lest I sound like a hopeless cynic, however:

Seeing the error of their ways, they are coming around to the right side of history.

GH, one can credibly believe that, or one more simply can call it “enlightened self-interest”, which is close to the same thing.

Generally, I do think it’s all good, and it’s all part of the arc of the universe being long but bending toward justice, like Dr. King said. No matter how sordid the resulting legislative sausage-making may turn out to be.

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Democrats have been pursuing it because it’s the right thing to do. Republicans now pursue it because the demographics and political reality have turned against them. But, if demographic and political reality compel change, then good.

Democrats are willing to do this even if it means Hispanics rebound back to the Republican party. Yet a significant segment of Republicans will continue to oppose any and all reform if it differs in any way from what they want. You can lead an elephant to water, bend his trunk , submerge it and squeeze it, but you still can’t make him drink.

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How long before Sarah Palin joins Fred Thompson hawking reverse mortgage ripoffs to senior citizens?

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If the immigration laws are passed can the Liberal aliens vote twice in an election too?

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“If he can pull this off and stand to the principles…”

Or he’ll get eaten alive in the GOP primary by some race-baiting tea party wanker.

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off topic

January 29th, 2013
10:29 am

In Missouri, murderers can get food stamps, but those with drug convictions can’t

OffTopic, It seems that he did ok for 13 years so why does he want food stamps? If he could have gotten them he would probably have not made anything of his life.
So it seems to me that the law did him some good.

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You can’t have rednecks and immigrants under the same tent, just won’t work until the bullies grow up and then they won’t be rednecks will they?

Please let the Republicans in the House have their way, it is destroying them in a midrange future. I think the Democrats can take an election in Georgia and this vote especially in North Georgia congressional districts could send more congressmen to Washington wearing blue. These fools can’t see their nose in front of their face and here’s hoping they never will. Mean, guns and redneck educated hate doesn’t work any more. Immigration is a formula that has worked in this country since its birth. They are second amendment lovers that talk about what our forefathers meant on one subject and have no clue what this country means to those that yearn to be free. The greatness of this country was its door of opportunity which looking at those faces yesterday tells you somehow we have missed the boat here in Georgia.

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“The GOP has done such a good job of portraying hispanic (read Mexican) immigrants as lazy, tequila swigging, public assistance moochers ”

Looks like somebody hasn’t a clue what’s really going on. Pretty much everybody regards these mexicans as hard workers who will show up for work, work hard, and not steal your tools on the way to the 15 passenger Kia at the end of the day.

However, we’re also aware that life is full of choices. Today, their choice is to come here, work hard, make money, and eat, OR stay in Mexico and starve or be killed. When they find section 8 housing, food stamps, and the rest of the “programs” more lucrative than work, they’ll likely make the same decisions as many of our “less fortunate”. Don’t worry, though, I’m sure Obama will tax the rich to cover at least 5% of the money required for that too so allyou whiny little cookie eating liberals will feel good about him doing something even if what he does is mere window dressing. Remember to chew your cookie fully so you don’t choke on it like our nation is.

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It appears that the key compromise will be border security. The pubs say, secure borders come first. Obama says that the path to citizenship comes first. We’ll see…

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GT

January 29th, 2013
10:44 am

Conservatives do not oppose immigration. They oppose Illegal immigration. Either we are a nations of laws or we are a lawless nation.

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Look before I leap…

January 29th, 2013
10:50 am

“Jay – the KEY word here is not HISPANIC,”

How incredibly naive (or self-deluded).
I see plenty of calls for a fence along the border with Mexico.
Canadian border? not so much.

And how many illegal immigrants cross then Canadian border vs the Mexican border?

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Jay, the sticking point will be your party’s objection to closing the border. Why would anyone vote for a path to citzenship for 12M illegal immigrants, if the flow won’t ever stop? We can’t afford the entitlement programs for our own citizens, much less millions more.

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” Unemployment will reach 20 +%. The FISCAL CLIFF is a guaranteed disaster…….. just a matter of time.”

Just spit-ballin here, but I am guessing you have a tattoo of Henny Penny on your arm.

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The plight of our black citizens has worsened as the numbers of illegal aliens and their anchor babies has exploded. It’s ironic that the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment was meant to be a boon to the offspring of slaves but now the 14th has been transformed into a tool for the further reduction in the standard of living of too many black families.

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by the way:

[Hispanics] comprised barely 1 percent of the [GA] turnout in the 2012 election.

Really? I’d not heard that.

Rather astonishing, but it certainly provides weight to my argument that a state that gave Obama 47% of the vote (from a motivated African-American citizenry, at the time) in 2008 has the potential to turn blue a lot faster than some people seem to realize.

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td is full.

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“And how many illegal immigrants cross then Canadian border vs the Mexican border?’

td – if you were a terrorist, which one would you cross?

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Well, seems to me McCain and Bookman don’t understand good old-fashioned hate. We’d rather lose every election than make legal a bunch of Mexicans that will just turn around and vote for Democrats anyway.

Reminds me of the old story of the frog and the scorpion rowing in a boat together. The frog told the scorpion, “Don’t sting me or I’ll die and you’ll wind up drowning.” The scorpion promised. Then halfway across the scorpion jumps up and stings the frog. The frog while dying asks the scorpion, “Why’d you sting me? Now we’re both going to die.” The scorpion said, “Because it’s my nature.”

Well, hating the illegals is part of our nature, even if it kills us.

Have a good Tuesday everybody.

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Look before you leap – Canadians protect their border very well – coming in and going out. Mexico won’t let you in without a passport. If Mexican citizens wish to leave Mexico – papers aren’t so necessary. It is not Mexico’s responsibility to cover our border but they do protect THEIR border against illegal intruders and they will be punished – quite rightly so.

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some light reading

http://www.canadaupdates.com/content/more-us-illegal-immigrants-enter-through-canada-mexico-16110.html

http://www.usimmigration.com/illegal-immigrants-through-canada.html

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As Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) explained during a Sunday appearance on ABC’s This Week, “We are losing dramatically the Hispanic vote, which we think should be ours for a variety of reasons, and we’ve got to understand that.”

Seems to be motivational to me.

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Morality ?
Look before you leap – Canadians protect their border very well – coming in and going out. Mexico won’t let you in without a passport. If Mexican citizens wish to leave Mexico – papers aren’t so necessary. It is not Mexico’s responsibility to cover our border but they do protect THEIR border against illegal intruders and they will be punished – quite rightly so.
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Never been to Canada bit I have only needed a driver’s license to enter
or leave Mexico, have things changed?

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How long before Sarah Palin joins Fred Thompson hawking reverse mortgage ripoffs to senior citizens?

I think she’ll be hawking non-prescription boner pills, no?

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stands
I think she’ll be hawking non-prescription boner pills, no?
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I think she is a non-prescription boner pill for Republicans..

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The recent downturn in illegals immigration can be traced to the downturn in the economy as much as anything.

As long as businesses in the US hire them, there will be illegals.

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Robert Lee – I changed my appointment to Thursday just for you – well not really just for you but I did change it. Frog – It is a revelation and a calculation…… I determined that this country was headed toward the FISCAL CLIFF BO (before Obama) and B “W”) before “W” . The SOCIALIST social Fed Gub’ment programs have been expanding like a cancer on the FISCAL future destruction of the USA for decades. The unfunded and under funded big Fed gub’ment did not begin with “W” or Obama. All they did was speed up the looming disaster. I did not vote “W” nor Obama. I am a FISCAL conservative and “W” and Obama are FISCAL, spend beyond your means, LIBERALS. They BOTH voted to bail out the crooked banks. I voted for Ross Perot who warned us of this coming FISCAL disaster. Both “W” and Obama are PARTY LOYALISTS above USA LOYALTY for the survival of our FISCAL. Obama is not like you – he is a member of the dreaded 1 %. Obama has 4 mansions, tended to by gardeners and housekeepers, in 4 different states.

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Other half – Reggie, I didn’t make anything up, the man was a drug dealer, I guess you libs love them and want to help them out. That’s your choice.

The point is that Missouri WILL provide food stamps to murderers, rapists, armed robbers, etc, but not to drug felons. I can understand the opinions for not allowing any felons to receive food stamps but why jsut exclude the drug dealers? Seems kind of dumb to me.

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frog

How is it that you cannot see a typo before you hit the submit button
but can see it immediately after you hit the submit button ?
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hangovers for many here I think

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Morality

While Obama is surely in the 1% you mentioned, can you name where the houses he owns are located?

Thanks

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“As long as businesses in the US hire them, there will be illegals.”

True, but simplistic and incomplete.
When it comes to Mexican illegal immigrants, they can earn anywhere from 2 to 9 times as much as they can in Mexico.

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Look before I leap…

January 29th, 2013
11:06 am

“And how many illegal immigrants cross then Canadian border vs the Mexican border?”

You make my point for me:
The issue IS Hispanic illegal immigration since that is the overwhelming proportion of the number of people who are here sans the benefit of a visa or green card. To deny that is to leave a huge part of the issue out of any possible solution.

I guess you did not read what I wrote on page one about visas.

According to Rubio overstaying visas are responsible for 40% of our illegal immigrant problem. That means the other 60% cross over the southern border.

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Marty Huggins

“Do you honestly believe that republicans only do something for votes while dems are only perusing legislation “because it is the right thing to do”?

Well I can say you have been listening and learning from our president.

Both sides do things for votes but both sides also want what they feel is best for the nation.

Maybe just maybe if more people would try to respect that about each other our country would be in a better place.

But apparently it is more serviceable for some to vilify which ever side is the other side. Usually trying to discount their ideas as having alternative deceitful motivations.”

How about this?

A Republican president wanted to take action because he wanted to do the right thing for the country. His party fought him every step of the way and offered nothing realistic. This alienated a goodly portion of the party, who switched sides. Some Republican leaders saw the effects of their intransigence and began to work toward a solution. And are still being fought by other Republican leaders.

Do both sides take actions to secure allegiance from groups? Sure. But a key point here is one I mentioned: this action, if successful, could cost Democrats votes. If successful, it could gain Republicans votes. Yet Democrats are still pursuing it. So the scales on this issue can be viewed as expediency for Republicans, good of the country for Democrats.

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Joe
because you’re 11 million ILLEGAL non-law abiding citizens aren’t going to help you.
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but they will have guns thanks to pro gun folks

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JHM – Exactly what my Hispanic wife says. She is absolutely gobsmacked at how the GOP let this huge potential opportunity get away from them.

X2…same could be said of gay marriage…isn’t a commitment to family values better than a perceived “pagan” single life

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Good thing the Democrats passed this important legislative reform when they had control of everything back in 2008…

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There is no immigration “reform” nor will there ever be.
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It’s only the state looking for fresh meat to exploit.
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Given enough time, even intellectually-challenged Romney/Obama voters figure out that the whole system is only a ponzi scheme designed to enslave you through debt so they start behaving more frugally which deprives the state of revenue.
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On a positive note though……..when a state resorts to begging poor uneducated, unskilled workers to enter so as to prop up their unsustainable ponzi scheme …then this shows desperation by the statist crooks.
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The end is nigh.
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Thank God.
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Godspeed the collaspe…………..and let FREEDOM reign.

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Democrats have been pursuing it because it’s the right thing to do

and the fact it is becoming a significant voting block has nothing at all to do with it all.

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Thomas Heyward-what the heck are you talking about?

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Basically, the party of stupid will pass immigration to try to save their stupid party.

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“Why is Obama calling for those illegally here to pay a FINE to the Fed gub’ment but he will allow them to remain? Just another desperate attempt by this Prez to “redistribute” the wealth to the Fed gub’ment.”

So, Morality just came out against fines for criminals. Interesting thought, Morality…

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I think she’ll be hawking non-prescription boner pills, no?

Well, Sarah’s just another one of the Big Disappointments us Republicans have had. Remember the night of her VP nominee acceptance speech and she was giving the librul Democrats the what-fer and we were all guessing about how big the McCain victory would be? They even bought her a whole bunch of nice clothes to campaign in. Then she turned out to be dumb as a bag of hammers and when McCain lost big-time they took the clothes away from her and later she couldn’t even hold onto a job at Fox News—too dumb, Rupert Murdoch said.

It has went that way for us ever since. Now a whole bunch of states are making Gay Marriage and pot legal and we took a beating last November you wouldn’t give to a rented mule. We’re cursed, I tell you. And now they’re talking about letting all the illegals get to be citizens just as good as us rednecks.

Cursed, I tell you. Right now we couldn’t sell bottled water to travelers in the Sahara Desert. At least this will be the end of the Boner when he sides with the Obama immigration bill and the Tea Party turns plumb against him.

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Thomas H jr

As I said, you take any topic and use it to post about just one or two subjects…….

the cat

The same thing he always talks about.

Hey, did you ever see Big Bang Theory when some unknowing person hears Sheldon say something that appears off the wall so he asks “what?” and the rest of the group yells “NO” followed by ‘too late….”?

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DIVIDED GOVT WORKS

not saying it will for the nezt 4 years………… but in the end it usually works when bothsides hit the reality they cannot get their way entirely

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Paul
January 29th, 2013
11:24 am

So anytime legislation is passed that gains votes for one and loses it for the other only one side is doing it for the good of the country?

Could any, not all but any, of those who did not support Bush’s amnesty plan have been doing so because of concerns remaining from how the ‘86 amnesty thing went?

Seems that both sides compromised on this proposal, with dems getting a realistic path to citizenship( which is a pet of theirs and is an issue our country needs to deal with and will benefit the nation in the long term) and repubs getting what they want a securing of the border (which is a pet of theirs and is an issue our country needs to deal with and will benefit the nation in the long term)

Now it could be argued both sides were wanting what they wanted to garner votes from their base or supporters. But it could also be seen as a compromise for the better of our country.

I suppose it depends upon ones level of partisanship and/or dislike of the “other” side as to how one views it though.

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Conservative logic isn’t like regular logic…but, td thinks he’s somehow stopped all illegal immigration from the north. Congratulations, dude!

He also apparently thinks nobody came from the South on a visa. They’re all barefoot Rio Grande swimmers.

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joe — “What part of ” ILLEGAL ‘ don’t any of you morons understand.”

“.. here is the definition of what it means to do something ILLEGAL!
” Contrary to or forbidden by law ”

Sigh. It seems we have to bring this back up every time the immigration issue is discussed.

Contrary to what many think, it is not a crime to be in this country without proper documentation. It is not a felony and it is not a misdemeanor. It is a “document offense,” about on the same level as driving without a driver’s license or proof of insurance.

If you’re caught without proper documentation, you’re not automatically going to be jailed and deported, at least not in most cases. Generally, what happens (at least in the case of expired visas or residency permits) is that the offender’s status is regularized as quickly as possible (e.g. visa or residency extension), but if that’s not possible, they’re given a short period to wrap up their affairs here in the US and then leave.

Undocumented persons who commit *actual* misdemeanors or felonies are treated differently, but as a general rule, just being here without proper documentation is *not* a “crime.”

Wish Brocephus was here; he’d be able to give us a more comprehensive rundown on it all.

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no morals,

Wealth envy ?

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Look

I didn’t say Mexicans and it doesn’t matter. Business keep hiring, there will be illegals. Doesn’t have to be just Mexicans.

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The conservatives’ “mansions in four states” claims is almost correct! LOL

The Hawaii mansion is confirmed by the World Weekly—how can you not trust bat boy?

http://weeklyworldnews.com/politics/51125/obama-buys-40-million-estate-in-hawaii/

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Sigh. It seems we have to bring this back up every time the immigration issue is discussed.

Hence my bat-signal, downstairs.

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“The Hawaii mansion is confirmed by the World Weekly—how can you not trust bat boy?”

At lease their counting Hawaii as a state!

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Wish Brocephus was here

Doubt the feeling is mutual. I suspect he, like Paul Krugman, is tired of trying to reason with us people, on this topic.

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will be a moot point in the next 25 years…………. Mexico is about to undergo a huge change in its economy………… the 10 families that own the wealth and business in Mexico are being pushed to the side and a wave of new business will come to the forefront………………. an example is telecommunication…………….. TelMex had a virtual monopoly but is seeing its market share slide as competitiors are given access to the market………. Mexico’s growth is far surpassing the US right now……………. soon it will become more attractive to work in Mexico ………… they do now and will experience their own immigration problem as workers from Central and South America are trying to get in if they can’t get into Brazil.

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Paul

January 29th, 2013
11:40 am

Thomas H jr

As I said, you take any topic and use it to post about just one or two subjects…….
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You can ignore reality.
You will not ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.
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See drone warfare.

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mmm…”When people do things the right way, they tend to resent people who do it illegally and get rewarded for it.”
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Freire on this about the “once oppressed ”
” The very structure of their thought has been conditioned by the contradictionof the concrete, existential situation by which they were shaped . Theirideal is to be men;but for them to be men is to be oppressors”!!!!!!!!!!!!
Figure it ???

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Kcin – Why wouldn’t we count Hawaii as a state? What I want from you on the left is to explain to me where Nanny Pelosi’s 52 states are? Looks like Mexico may soon be one? And of course Hollyweird North aka D.C.

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SfD — “Doubt the feeling is mutual”

FWIW, he usually recites current law and procedure, and then lets the conserva-shrieking proceed.

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FWIW, he usually recites current law and procedure

True, but then he has to use every ounce of self-discipline not to go overboard when he politely informs people that they, too, can work on the border and risk their lives for marginally middle-class wages, if they really feel THAT strongly about the subject.

Put it this way–I don’t think his disgust over our collective ignorance is an act.

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rb – When they find section 8 housing, food stamps, and the rest of the “programs” more lucrative than working

Those programs have been around long before obama…

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Like all pieces of Obama legislation, the President will ignore any recomendations from bipartisan committees. He needs immigration reform to feed the never ending election spin machine. Therefore, as usual, we will get sermons from the bully pulpit demonizing the GOP in order to give clueless democratic candidates something to criticize GOP opponents about in 2014. Obama’s priority is taking control of the House, not immigration reform. Thus, nothing is going to happen except outfield chatter- until 2014.

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We are being invaded by increasing numbers of those who are seeking only money and benefits and will not assimilate…..and they have supporters…… expecting assimilation is being portrayed as racist…..Our country is being changed…..Will these added “taxpayers” satisfy our debt or add to it? and do they realize government doesn’t provide anyone’s freedom…..we have enough here already that have forgot, have redefined it, or just don’t care anymore…..

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Man, 69, accused of killing man who went to wrong house (AJC)

Diaz, 22, was shot in the head Saturday night as he tried to drive away from Sailors’ home on Hillcrest Road in Lilburn, the warrant states.

Now see, in this rootin’-tootin’ gun-crazy world we live in, if somebody you don’t know pulls into your driveway after dark, you just blast ‘em! And ask questions later. Heck, it don’t matter none if they’re trying to pull away. Blast ‘em!

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“Obama’s priority is taking control of the House, not immigration reform.”

Interesting opinion. But maybe he needn’t bother, since the TGOP seem intent on giving it away.

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“Morality” — “Obama could care less about little things like illegal/legal – to him that is just a matter of opinion if he does not agree with the law and it is to be IGNORED.”

Well, that’s just your opinion. And it’s wrong.

All Obama did in that respect was *formalize* a policy that ICE and DHS had been operating under for more than a year. Besides, it’s called “prosecutorial judgment” and it happens every day when a DA declines to prosecute a case or accepts a plea deal.

This link will lead you to the “Morton Memo,” which lays out how DHS was prioritizing its resources in this regard a year before the President made it official.

http://www.ice.gov/doclib/secure-communities/pdf/prosecutorial-discretion-memo.pdf

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bookman parrot

that sounds great except the hispanic community is by and large more conservative than liberal………. there is more upside potential for the republicans than democrats

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U. Sam – a cogent and comprehensive analysis…I agree.

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Paul: my money’s on Fish Sandwich.

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getalife
Basically, the party of stupid will pass immigration to try to save their stupid party.
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another example of our President being a tricky man…..

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Mama – you should refrain from addressing JERKS….. especially one’s that dare disagree with you and Obama. Thought Police consider those that disagree with the LEFT to be HATERS – which is the “redefinition” of HATERS aka those that dare disagree with the SOCIALIST left.

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indigo — “If you are caught without proper documentation in Canada, England, Ireland, France, Germany, Spain, Portugal or Italy, is it considered just a document offense?”

Don’t know. Why don’t you go investigate for us?

In any event, what other countries do is irrelevant to the point of what *we* are doing *right now.*

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“Sooth

Now the challenge will be to find the blogger who doesn’t show up for a while –”

Funny I had the same thought. My first two guesses were proven wrong pretty quickly this morning.

“Hmmmm…. wonder of Mr. Sailors would’ve shot if the guy had been driving a Beemer and had on a dress shirt and tie?”

Obviously Mr Sailors had subscribed to the idea that the brown people are coming to take your stuff.

I support the idea that Sailors has a right to come onto his stoop with a weapon to demonstrate his ability and resolve to protect his family and home.

But to fire into a retreating vehicle takes him to the level of gun-happy whack job.

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“Morality” — “Mama – you should refrain . . .”

http://www.ice.gov/doclib/secure-communities/pdf/prosecutorial-discretion-memo.pdf

Your bleating about the President ignoring immigration laws because he doesn’t like them has now been disproven. You may now take a seat and pipe down.

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Rubio will be on Rush at 1pm today. You progressives make sure you tune in so that you will not have to hear the media matters political spin. BTW: Rush is now on WSB radio in the Atlanta market.

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[...] path to legal immigration, in one chartWashington Post (blog)CBS News -Voice of America -Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog)all 1,320 news [...]

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Indigo – the P.C. have determined that illegal aliens are not illegal if they are illegal aliens in the USA. In Mexico, Russia, China, Canada, France, Great Britain, India, Somalia, Venezuela and Cuba (and every where else – pretty much) they are illegal and will most likely be imprisoned or at the very least be thrown out. Got it?

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“But to fire into a retreating vehicle takes him to the level of gun-happy whack job.”

Further evidence why the gun lobby is opposed to mental health screening for gun owners.

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I recall the penalty for illegally being in Mexico is quite severe indeed.

I say amnesty followed by enforcing border control. After that, actually enforce our immigration laws. Anyone coming is illegally gets deported. I also think we take a successful strategy from Fidel, Deport all currently incarcerated drug and related criminals from our prisons. That saves about 50K per year..of course the private corrections industry and municipalities with debt outstanding to support business would have a hissy..

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td — “Rubio will be on Rush at 1pm today. You progressives make sure you tune in”

Sorry, I can’t do that any more.

It used to be a point of pride with Rush that he never had guests on his show. He used to *brag* about not needing them. Then he started having them on shortly after the war in Iraq started up.

Sorry, but Rush Limbaugh is kinda like the Who and the Rolling Stones. Early stuff great, kinda gone downhill in recent years, now all sucky and worthless, just going through the motions to cash in.

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It appears cons like td would slobber all over the gop if the gop went lib like on immigration.

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What a pathetic waste of taxpayer money

Ok, I looked it up:

“Mr. Bush has made 77 visits to his ranch in Crawford during his presidency, and spent all or part of 490 days there.”

Just in case anyone else was wondering.

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Paul

January 29th, 2013
12:28 pm

No bail for that zealot who clearly was itching for an opportunity to kill a human. If a clever attorney lets him go free, he will have another trophy to hang on the wall next to his racoon, possum, doe, eagle and the likes..

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Paul – Who is going to do the “mental screening” for gun buyers? I mean are the INSANE politicians in D.C. qualified to decide who is SANE? I do agree with back ground checks for those buying a gun BUT, BUT, BUT that should be done on a state level where we have some in SANITY in gub’ment. My concern is that the Dem led Fed gub’ment will DECIDE who has a right to buy a gun based on their political views. We need to keep politics out of gun ownership.

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Who’s Rush Limbaugh?

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Since when does gps direct you into a driveway ?

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“Just trying to point out how gun crazed our society has become.”

As if the earnest and serious suggestion that we arm all the teachers with guns were not evidence of that already.

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This is funny no matter what your position on group sex may be:

http://blogs.ajc.com/news-to-me/2012/08/23/florida-orgy-ends-in-violence-arrests/

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as far as I know, the USA is the only nation where illegal aliens can have children and their children born to illegal aliens are legal

Please erase that Glen Beck tidbit from your brain. Both Mexico and Canada have the same basic policy.

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Paul
January 29th, 2013
11:56 am

2 of the 4 republicans on the committee of 8 were not even senators when the dream act in 07 came about.

The other two opposed it with reservations about a lack of border security as it was not guaranteed in that proposal which would have allowed for the problem to continue of undocumented people.

This proposal does have an element of finding ways to drastically slow the unlawful immigration into our country.

There are a lot of republicans and democrats who were there in ‘07 are now no longer casting votes on the issues.

We should applaud them for their efforts so far and hope a spirit of bipartisan effort can continue. But as we know their efforts will be fought from both sides all too willing to ask why instead of why not.

As for your representative, as I am not inclined to agree with him as this appears to apply more to those already here and to slow the importation of more without documentation.

Thus those here already have those jobs he speaks of. This bill would reduce the risk of future competition willing to do the job at a lower wage or unwilling but far more likely to be subject of abuses in the workplace. Both monetary and otherwise.

However if it is a concern he has it should be one that is listened to and debated.

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Stevie Ray

So that’s why you are walking around with a black eye…….

j/k

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lil stevie is back to the ole reliable con outrage of the teleprompter.

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WSB radio is now the laughingstock of Atlanta with Cain, Hannity, Rush on there now.

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Apple Maps is truly a KILLER app?

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td
January 29th, 2013
10:31 am

Marco Rubio will be on the Rush show this afternoon trying to sell this proposal to Rush and his 30 million listeners. If he can pull this off and stand to the principles he sets out then he has a great chance of becoming the next President.
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To much of a mommy’s boy

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indigo — “But..but..but…but..but we are supposed to be the “leader of the free world” and set shining examples for others. Shouldn’t their immigration laws be like ours?”

Isn’t it a conservative shibboleth that we don’t *care* ‘how they do things overseas?’

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td

January 29th, 2013
12:30 pm

It appears that not even the LMS believes Obama is shooting skeet at Camp David. I think he has just been busted in a lie.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/28/dubious-congresswoman-challenges-obama-to-skeet-shooting-match/
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Nonsense…
the article is about Ms Blackburns challenge.

the President could agree to the match and concede her superior markmanship,

then see if she can hit the 3 pointer.

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Stevie Ray

‘The other three sexual participants got out of Dodge before police arrived.”

I liked that line -

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There is a talking gps app on the iphone for free.

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You don’t think the President flying all the way across the country to deliver a 1/2 hour speech is wasteful?

It’s gonna keep me up nights, I’m sure. Oh the humanity and all of the passengers.

(I’m assuming that Scout’s reporting is accurate, by the way, which is never a very smart thing to do, but to look it up would be to unduly dignify this bit dog-whistling about the way that uppity half-Negro President’s livin’ it up.)

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Conservatives do not oppose immigration. They oppose Illegal immigration. Either we are a nations of laws or we are a lawless nation.

You oppose anything that is not you, which is your weakness. That is the reason you can’t compromise, you think you are the chosen people and the rest of us are your lap dogs. Then when you realize you have insulted about 60% of America with your ignorance you want to be misunderstood.

As for a country of laws, you sponsor about every law you can to put someone in jail that is getting in your way, the prisons are over crowded with your movements. You use the law for your own bidding. No Wall Street guy goes to jail yet they totally nuked this country’s economic system, left millions homeless and made billions doing it, but you take one little man crossing the desert at risk of his life mostly for your entertainment and sorry taste for cruelty and you declare war. You are very strange people who love cruelty, are very selfish, mean as snakes and now think there is no judgment day for you actions. Good luck with that old friend, you keep this stupidity up and you will be the one outside looking in.

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godless heathen – owner of many things he does not need

January 29th, 2013
12:47 pm

As logic would have it, the idea of justifying anything president trillions does with the preceding dope suggests the LIBS want to keep the bar exceptionally low. As mentioned, after this second term, Obama’s legacy will contain a Bush comparison for everything he did…

Perhaps if the standard of comparison was Bill Clinton……naw, that may make BO’s Nobel look even more undeserved…

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getalife
There is a talking gps app on the iphone for free
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metro pcs has it but you only get it in premium service…

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The other half of your brain.
January 29th, 2013
11:01 am
Reggie, I didn’t make anything up, the man was a drug dealer, I guess you libs love them and want to help them out. That’s your choice.

I guess you good God-fearing GOP Christians skipped the Mary Magdalene portion of the bible.

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“You don’t think the President flying all the way across the country to deliver a 1/2 hour speech is wasteful?”
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Will it be effective? Will we get immigration reform? Will it extend to same sex couples?

If the job gets done, then no I don’t consider it a waste.

CDB

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GOPers love cheap labor.

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Dumb policy in my opinion

Are you calling Canadians dumb? You better take that back before they invade.

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getalife
Metro pcs is for metrosexuals.
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metrosexuals do it for less money….

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Whats next GOP for planned parenthood?

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Republicans can do nothing, and leave everything the way it has been for the past 27 years, do a little something to try and fool the Latino population or actually fix the problem. I predict they will do nothing.

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Paul – INSANITY does not have a party…. just going by the old definition that says doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting different results is INSANITY. For decades Congress has been growing the Fed gub’ment and their SOCIALIST social programs with out funding them and thus growing the Fed debt. Like his predecessor, Obama continues the tradition. CONGRESS appears to be hooked on spending beyond our means – they can’t stop or even slow down. They are INSANE.

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Stevie Ray

“I out ran them all….”

Consequences of not sharing?

Freeloader….

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I predict it will pass to try to get some Latino votes in the next election.

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“I’m sure you were all over him for that one, right?”

Just like you are all over Obama for this one !

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Will it be effective? Will we get immigration reform? Will it extend to same sex couples?

If the job gets done, then no I don’t consider it a waste.

Is it just me, or would we be hearing a peep out of the usual suspects if this were a speech being delivered in, say, Louisville or Lubbock? Probably not.

But “Las Vegas” sounds all junket-ish, I guess, so they’ll run that one up the ol’ flagpole and see if anyone’s dumb enough to salute.

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WASTEFUL SPENDING – what th’ is wasteful spending? It’s in the EYE of whatever PARTY is in office. We have about $16,000,000,000,000 + of wasteful spending on the books now. What’s a few more billion!

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“Laurel”, Maryland would have saved a lot of money …………. millions !

There are some illegals there too !

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Joe Hussein Mama – 12:47

Things conservative politicians care about:

1. getting elected

2. getting re-elected

3. using the office to enrich their personal estates

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Granny Godzilla
January 29th, 2013
12:54 pm

There are democrat members of the Hispanic caucus urging him not to deliver his plan today at the speech for fear it would HARM the chances of the bipartisan effort on the delicate issue.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/28/sources-congressional-hispanic-caucus-members-urged-obama-not-to-unveil-immigration-bill/comment-page-1/

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Stevie

That metric could be pretty thin as you say, after all it was Bush. But isn’t hypocritical for you or whomever to not have complained then but whine about Obama now?

You may not have voted for Bush, but for those who did and didn’t say anything, but now feign outrage is amusing.

Sort of like you complaining about Obama and his teleprompeter. Reagan used one, Bush (I know it pisses you off to being up Bush so I will) used large queue cards.

You and others do go after Obama for legitimate issues, but teleprompters and where he is making a speech? I can only hope you stretched before making that reach.

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” given the 699 teleprompted speeches he has given….”

There you go again.

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Perhaps you cons should work on stop being “stupid” like rove said.

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Things politicians care about:

Fixed your typo, indigo. No thanks needed.

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“So you want to extend illegal immigration reform to “same sex” couples?”

Sure, why not?

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Morality @1:10

How dare you try to impose a “breathing” requirement! People are supposed to be able to marry what they WANT to marry!

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“Stevie Ray, the only thing idiotic is complaining because the president of the United States dares to get outside the Beltway and actually talk to the people whom he was elected to lead.”

Gee, Jay, do you get a tingling feeling up your leg when you write that crap? Might be a good idea for you to occasionally pull your head out and check the view.

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Stevie Ray

January 29th, 2013
1:06 pm

Granny Godzilla

January 29th, 2013
12:54 pm

If the job got done anytime your hero spoke, he would have accomplished more material things than any of his predecessors. given the 699 teleprompted speeches he has given….
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My hero in John XXIII FYI.

That said…really teleprompter? That’s all you have left in your quiver?

tee hee hee

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Flights on Air Force 1 are insanely wasteful

Flying one person on a 747 is practically and environmentally insane

Even assuming that that person is the prez

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Chefs marry flavors without regard and the concoctions are
accepted, why the problems with people ?

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Stevie Ray, the only thing idiotic is complaining because the president of the United States dares to get outside the Beltway and actually talk to the people whom he was elected to lead.”

I lol’d

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Tell Obama to drive a volt to Vegas

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What are you liberals going to do when the illegals no longer have to work under the radar and start taking all the jobs the “less fortunate” are willing to do because the work is easier? Are you finally going to tell them to shut up and do the only work their education and work ethic qualify them to do or are you going to come back begging for more welfare cookies to support them too?

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Stevie

Don’t play word smith and twist my words. If things as taking trips for political purposes was not worth mentioning when Bush was in office, why cry now? That was my point and it is hypocritical. Any vote for Bush in itself was not hypocritical (not did I say that), but some of the very things his voters were silent on, but now feign outrage is indeed hypocritical.

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Flying one person on a 747 is practically and environmentally insane

Al Gore is fat.

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Due to the lack of leaders to take the daily abuse, I think there should be more perks for the office of President.

We have a leader shortage in this country after Obama and Clinton are gone.

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At minimum

Modify a G6 and fly him on that

If it works for corporate titans it should be good enough for Obama

Dell buying a Dreamliner doesn’t count

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G. Heathen — “So with the caveat that Scout’s report is accurate, most of you Obamanauts are on record that flying 2 747s across the country to deliver a speech is ok with you, because Bush did it too.”

Actually, I think we’re on record that ‘if Bush did it and y’all didn’t find fault with it *then,* then y’all should keep your seats and hold your tongues when Obama does it *now.*”

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Mick, “If anyone needed a teleprompter none more than the previous president who could barely string together two coherent sentences…”

I ah don’t ah suppose ah you’ve ah listened ah to ah Obama ah when ah he’s ah not ah reading ah off ah the ah teleprompter ah, have ah you?

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Sfd

Yes he is

He should go vegan and buy a treadmill

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Stevie

And don’t get me wrong in terms of hypocrisy. It flows like a river from both sides. Many on the left were up in arms regarding the “Patriot Act”, yet when Obama “re upd”, most were silent.

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“If it works for corporate titans it should be good enough for Obama”

I don’t know of any corporate titans who have nuclear command and control. Do you?
And just as an aside, the roomy, tweaked out jets currently used to transport the President were ordered by St. Ronnie.

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It is great for our President to leave the bubble and mingle with Americans.

He likes to do this so let him.

You will always have the ole reliable teleprompter stevie.

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“Rush just endorsed the vision Rubio has for immigration reform.”

Oh my God!!! Hooray! Rush is on board!! Rush is on board!

Republicans now have permission to proceed!!!

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getalife
January 29th, 2013
1:24 pm

Clinton I can see.
Gave on things and compromised without vilifying his opposition.

He compromised with idiots at times because he knew action needed to be taken not political points scored.

He appeared to be slightly more concerned with getting things done than getting credit more than Obama.
Maybe he was smart enough to know he would get the credit for it in the end.

President is like QB gets all credit and blame in the end.

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Rubio is an anchor baby, he should know the ropes.

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This is just more hypocritical BS, like that Faux News controversy about Obama allegedly spending a zillion dollars a day to travel to India.

Jay, you exaggerate. Conservatives claimed it was a mere $2 billion.

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Obama is flying on a Chinese credit card

They should ground him

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Oh my God!!! Hooray! Rush is on board!! Rush is on board!

Following Sean Hannity’s lead? that’s gotta hurt.

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X 1:14 – “Extend illegal immigration to same sex too” “Why Not – sure” . Well I thought that illegal immigration was ALREADY extended to anyone willing to cross the border and I didn’t realize that SEX had anything to do with it. That’s all.

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My suggestion is we just have Obama get a flight suit and fly a fighter jet around landing on aircraft carriers. I am sure that stunt didn’t cost anything. It’s not like they could have put that banner up in the White House briefing room. It would have clashed with the décor.

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“He should go vegan and buy a treadmill”

Why are conservatives obsessed with controlling our bodies?

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Jay

January 29th, 2013
1:26 pm

The Schiavo deal was a true example of idiocy that abounds when a few votes are at stake. The was one of the most embarrassing events of any presidents career.

It seems to me that the grandstanding and continued campaigning by BO is, like Bush’s catering to christian nuts, simply a self serving expense. Why couldn’t BO simply make his every other day speech from Washington? Perhaps learning from mistakes of presidents past?

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“The back seat driving on Obama’s flying is as legitimate as the maze of nanny state rules the government loves”

Huh? Try again, in English this time…

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“It seems to me that the grandstanding and continued campaigning by BO is, like Bush’s catering to christian nuts, simply a self serving expense.”

Ouch, td, rb, and morality, that ought to hurt!

Stevie, what exactly is Obama campaigning for?

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“The longer this problem remains unresolved, leaving some 10 to 12 million illegal immigrants in legal limbo, the more difficult it becomes for the GOP.”

prin·ci·ple /ˈprinsəpəl/ Noun

1) A fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior or for a chain of reasoning.

2) A rule or belief governing one’s personal behavior.

Liberals are apparently an unprincipled lot. There are very clear reasons why we have immigration laws at this point. But to liberals, coming into our country illegally is akin to spitting on the sidewalk (or maybe committing adultery) – NO BIG DEAL. Instead of saying things like Canada and Mexico represent two of our closest friends and allies and giving residents of those countries preferred immigration status above all other people of the world and allowing them to obtain special 2 or 3 year renewable work visas, they would rather just dismiss the law and call criminals non-criminals. And I would bet that not a single liberal would NOT call police if, after coming back from a family vacation, they discovered migrants were illegally residing in their home. Yet they expect the rest of us to do just that.

And THAT is why I detest what liberalism has become these days – it is no longer fighting to right obvious wrongs (like treating people badly for things they cannot help – like their age, gender and the color of their skin). Instead, it is fighting to defend obvious wrongs (perpetrated by people CHOOSING to commit them). That is not liberalism; it is corruption.

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BTW, Rush never ask Rubio why he thinks he’s qualified to be president….. state legislature…. two years as a senator…. gimme a break….

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Like Jay says if the Prez wastes money it is not wasted. Beisides he needs to get down amongst the common people every now and the – mix and mingle . so he will see how the “commom” people live.

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I wonder what an AF1 ticket costs

Booked through US Air?

New revenue opportunity for US

Empty AF1 seats!

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Whoever commented earlier that Mexicans work hard and don’t steal hasn’t ever worked with them personally. I have for the past 30 years since all the idiots in Washington quit enforcing immigration laws. When you take a lunch break you had better take your tools with you – I’ve caught them stealing from me and others many times. They laugh and think it is funny just like they laugh at all our laws. They don’t want to share – they want to take over all our jobs for their fellow Mexicans. They think whites and blacks are weak and stupid. You are blind and ignorant if you don’t realize this my fellow libs.

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Paul: So…. how many self-identified conservatives on this blog are okay with a pathway to citizenship?

Unless they are republicans and/or dead vampire bloodsuckers, (but i repeat myself), then my answer is not just no but HE!! NO. Their pathway stops at the end of the borders! They want a path? Well, then they can march their azzes right up to Canada! The canadians need more tacos anyway!

Paul: I’m guessing you’re not, and if you are, you aren’t too sure how to do it.

The only illegals I want to see are the ones that wash my cars and mow my lawns THEN when they’re done, I can pretend I don’t know them and I had no idea that they were illegal in the first place.

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“Stevie, what exactly is Obama campaigning for?”

A legacy.

And it’s going to work out just as well as Jimmy Carter’s has.

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Getalife

Seriously?

To each their own man

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Mick – If, and I say IF, you knew your history you would know why Cubans are allowed to stay on our soil. Cubans aren’t hated by Latinos…… dumb, dumb, dumb statement. Maybe there is a little envy there by some but not hate. Cubans are a very small part of our population so don’t hate.

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Paul

January 29th, 2013
1:33 pm
So…. how many self-identified conservatives on this blog are okay with a pathway to citizenship?

What should it look like?

I’m guessing you’re not, and if you are, you aren’t too sure how to do it.

But you’ll hate anything Pres Obama says in his speech

I like the bill presented before Congress. The problem that I see is the pressure that will undoubtedly be applied by constituents like in 2007. A pathway to citizenship is needed to people living here. There are many undocumented immigrants who work hard and pay taxes. I would like to see them be able accounted for. But, I see a similar result from 2007. The minority party in Washington hits paydirt during midterm elections by simply obstructing any success from the majority party; in 2006 and 2010, both parties benefited from simply saying no. Even if this bill survives a filibuster, it will not survive the house.

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They don’t want to share – they want to take over all our jobs for their fellow Mexicans. They think whites and blacks are weak and stupid. You are blind and ignorant if you don’t realize this my fellow libs.

Brilliant!! Another true believer spouting nonsense on the blog!

You do the republican party proud! You’re comment was textbook!

When you can’t find anything intelligent to say, or even RELEVANT, then you spout a bunch of bullcrap, make up even more bullcrap, and then say”My fellow libs”; as if you’re a “lib” and not a programmed Republican!!

Stay blind my friend, Stay blind. You’re doing Brilliantly!!!

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“To each their own man”

I was going to ask him what he is doing up there.

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Walmart is a small business?

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“And it’s going to work out just as well as Jimmy Carter’s has.”

Jimmy Carter – the only president in my lifetime who NEVER looked me in the eye, and lied.

He has MY respect. That might not be as important to you, though.

(Obama hasn’t done it yet, but he’s not done, yet, either.)

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Then you bring in adultery to the conversation

The evil forms of sexification are never far from TC’s mind.

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From talking to Mexicans that have come to this country I would say that most of them are Christians and disagree with much Obama’s immoral social agenda. They also do not want SOCIALISM and are willing to work for a living. They voted Dem for one reason only – there is no real future for them in Mexico with it’s corrupt politicians and drug lords. They want to stay here and bring their family members here. If the corrupt gub’ment and the drug lords were gone and they could get a decent job in Mexico many would gladly return as they are loyal and proud Mexicans. They agree with most of what Obama stands for but they do want to be legal in this country.

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Student loan delinquency under Obama reaches all time high of 15%

Obama is an idiot

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He has MY respect. That might not be as important to you, though.

I was going to say–it’s absolutely weird how some online conservatives seem to think most Americans regard Jimmy Carter with anything but fondness. Yes, there are some whiners who have tried to make him out to be some kind of anti-Semitic monster because he thinks Palestinians are human beings, but I’d wager most Americans think of him as an honest, devout, hard-working man who builds houses for poor people and tries to keep warring factions from killing one another.

Anyway, Obama won the second term, so the RBs of this world can put away those stupid “Welcome Back” t-shirts.

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“Student loan delinquency under Obama reaches all time high of 15%”

What he HEK=CK is he doing? He should be out there knocking on every student’s door and MAKING SURE they pay their debt. What the heck, he’s got nothing better to do anyway.

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From talking to Mexicans that have come to this country

It’s amazing how many white men are surrounded by women/Mexicans/gays/blacks/Inuits who so TOTALLY agree with their point of view.

Astounding, really.

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This new scheme is lipstick on the same ole pig…still amnesty.

The simple, irrefutable fact is that you’re giving a pass to lawbreakers. And since precedents matter where do you draw the line? Illegal aliens today, maybe drug traffickers and sex offenders tomorrow.

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“Only jm could be so far out as to blame obama for student loan defaults!”

and it’s a pretty safe bet he can’t tell you what the rate was under ANY other Presdent…without looking it up.

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i think the funniest thing is they can’t take a crap without issuing
the Frank Luntz talky points on it, so they’ll know what to say.
…and wait til 3pm for their AM-radio-Goebbels to put sprinkles on it.
Beyond sad really.

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Why has Obama NEVER had his wife with him we goes to Muslim countries?

http://www.examiner.com/article/michelle-obama-s-indonesian-state-dinner-dress

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Do you ever wonder why Mexican’s lean democratic when we are told they value hard work and family?
Really doesn’t add up

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Towncrier — “But to liberals, coming into our country illegally is akin to spitting on the sidewalk (or maybe committing adultery) – NO BIG DEAL.”

To our government as well, for about the last 50+ years. It’s not the crime (insert emphasis of your choice here) some conservatives seem to want to paint it as. It is a problem, but in a great many cases, our government doesn’t even classify it as a crime.

FWIW, several of us on the left have an ongoing discussion here regarding how a system could be implemented that provided these things:

1) a secure national identity document, high-tech and nigh-impossible to forge

2) a database tied to that document, enabling employers to quickly and easily check the status of prospective employees

3) a secure voting system that could even facilitate secure remote voting and would prevent non-citizens from voting

Far from it being “NO BIG DEAL,” as you say, we have a few concrete ideas on the matter. Not all of us agree, but we have, IMO, a nugget of a good idea. And often, when the topic comes up, we ask one or more conservative posters to join us in our discussion, but almost invariably, at least one conservative objects on grounds of cost. Well, how much is it worth to us as a nation to have secure borders and unforgeable document cards (e.g. for SS and Medicare benefits)? How much is it worth to us as a nation to ensure that voter fraud isn’t taking place? Do we want to do it right, or do we want a half-azzed solution that will see us having this same argument 30 years from now?

The fact of the matter isn’t that we consider such things, as you say, “NO BIG DEAL,” it’s just that we’re not losing our collective mind about it. We *see* the problem. We *agree* that there’s a problem. But we *differ* on what to do about it and how to get there; it’s as simple as that.

Further, about two weeks ago, you berated Jay for what you called mocking and belittling comments about pro-gun individuals, yet here you are, doing the exact same thing yourself — last night about atheists in general and today about liberals in particular. So heal thyself, physician. If it hacks you off so much to see others do it, cool your freakin’ jets and stop doing it yourself.

You do both your ideological side and mine a distinct disservice when you blithely make assertions about what other groups — to which you don’t even belong — think and believe.

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“W will be the last Republican president in our life time. His party will disappear with the Wigs and sundry other nonfunctional parties. We live in progressive times and witchcraft as a religion or a political party is no longer a ticket to being elected.”

That is great news for our country.

Our President is about to speak on this issue.

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Lol Stands. Indonesia! The most populated Muslim country in the world.

Drudge check on the 2:01…Can we get a Drudge check on the 2:01

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No decibel……a camel jockey Muslim country. Not a watered down half civil country. The cut your hand off type country

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Do you ever wonder why Mexican’s lean democratic

No.

I do wonder why some people can’t seem to pluralize without misusing the apostrophe, even though, presumably, they must have graduated second grade at some point in their lives.

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Getalife. Nice moniker. With that thinking, you need to. We need and want TWO parties. Both sides do.

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Frog @1:19

At the risk of sounding harsh (hopefully not)–

A chef’s concoction rarely exists two hours after the concocting/marrying is done. Trying to do the same with people won’t work so well.

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Student loan defaults? How long did you have to pick in the garbage for that one. If the gun lobby keeps up their version of America, we won’t have any students to make loans to, but why worry about that when kids are getting away with a free higher education. True once educated they tend to vote Democrat, but your loose gun laws will solve that for you, not to worry.

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morality

Interest rates at an all time LOW, stock market poised to go over 14k, exagerate much???

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“I think we could look at it and find many solutions to greatly reduce its occurrence along with many other means by which we obtain undocumented citizens”

We can spend a LOT of money trying, but we still can’t do. Build a fence, someone will make a longer ladder. Or they’ll dig under it (they already do that). How would you suggest we secure our water borders? Or secure the air over ANY of our borders? Determined people can fly in, boat in, dig in, be brought in hidden in vehicles. There’s no way we can possibly secure our borders, period. The best we can ever do is make it harder where, currently, it’s too easy and too cheap.

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“No decibel……a camel jockey Muslim country. Not a watered down half civil country. The cut your hand off type country”

Whoo…I don’t know what to say…

I’ll just remark about the “moving goal posts.” I bet they keep moving until he gets the response he wants, or (hopefully) just slinks away…

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GT………… where do criminals turn their guns in . Is there a Web site?

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Living – 2:17

Do you think only conservatives share your beliefs?

If so, you’re wrong.

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” WE are wasting our time fighting wars for other countries overseas when we really need to be fighting to secure AMERICA’S borders.”

I totally agree that we are wasting time (and lives) fighting overseas. However, the number of deportations has increased dramatically under Obama. The cons talk about building walls, moats, and electric fences. The’re willing to spend billions of dollars to do this and yet want to starve children and grandma. We’ll end up like China (the Great Wall).

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Well McCain did make a slight concession:

“We have to work with the governors and the organizations and citizens on the border states that are the major victims of the broken borders,” Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) added. He also admitted that “There is no question, there has been a significant reduction in illegal crossings over the past five years.” Indeed, the United States spent $18 billion on immigration enforcement in the 2012 fiscal year, which is more than every other federal law enforcement agency combined.

Also:

Border crossings are at 40-year low: At the same time, illegal border crossings have dropped to their lowest level since the Nixon administration, and net undocumented migration is at or below zero. Meanwhile, annual deportations at a historic high.

– Most parts of the border are already secure: Even with fewer people apprehended at the border, border agents now patrol every single mile of the border every day. The vast majority of the border already meets one of Homeland Security’s highest standards of security, and there are 21,370 agents, along with six unmanned aircraft systems.

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Doggone/GA
January 29th, 2013
2:19 pm

Again I don’t think we can stop it!

We can reduce it greatly.

We may disagree about the level but you even agree not enough is being done….
“The best we can ever do is make it harder where, currently, it’s too easy and too cheap.”

Nah I see its still easier to claim someone is crying because…. Ghast they disagree with you about an amount of how much should be done.

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there’s two sides to a fence/wall.

What is sold to the rubes as a way to keep people out
could at some point be used to keep people in.
no fences, mon

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Joe Hussein Mama
January 29th, 2013
2:26 pm

I would like to clear something up.

Apparently I gave the impression I think or want the boarders completely secured and it closed.
Well I don’t. I do think much much more could be done and not all on just boarders. I think we should keep better track of who is here and when they leave and on what type of visa or work permit travel or whatever to ensure we cut back on the amount to simply overstay their documented time frame.

Lastly I do not believe in your proposition of what conservatives

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Keep @ 2:24

Where do you think that Wisconsin wedding drone came from. Homeland Security babee!!!!!

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Has anybody yet said they’re willing to give up their personal freedoms, pay more for goods and services, and pay more in taxes to accomplish that yet?

Is a bear Catholic?

headin’ upstairs…

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A total lie:

Morality?

January 29th, 2013
2:24 pm
Decibels —”Jammy Codder built houses for poor people”. Problem is you only know of the revised history edition of Jammy Codder. He tore down a lot more houses poor people were living in and NEVER built a house for a poor person. Your version is an ole Wives Tale. I was going to college in Americus (near Plains) when Jammy Codder was running for Prez. He had poor people living in shacks without plumbing on his farm land working for him. When the Dems decided to run Jammy as the next Abe Lincoln that image would not do. So the shacks and workers had to go…. quietly in the night everything was torn down and they were moved OUT. Habitat for Humanity was long in existence before Jammy decided, for political reasons, to claim it. He was quick to call the press and hold the hammer for his photo ops but that was as far as his building houses ever went. Jammy Codder is a MYTH – I knew the real Jammy Codder and he is NO Abraham Lincoln.

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Is a bear Catholic?

Ha!

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Brosephus™
January 29th, 2013
2:31 pm

Yes on everything except personal freedoms.

Don’t necessarily see how those have to be violated to greatly reduce the number of undocumented citizens?

Or we could grant any amnesty program or platform you choose and we will be having the exact same conversation again in 15-20 years about what to do with the latest group of undocumented residents.

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M. Huggins — “Apparently I gave the impression I think or want the boarders completely secured and it closed. Well I don’t. I do think much much more could be done and not all on just boarders. I think we should keep better track of who is here and when they leave and on what type of visa or work permit travel or whatever to ensure we cut back on the amount to simply overstay their documented time frame.”

Fair enough. Much of the plan that we sometimes discuss is predicated on securing our labor markets and the privileges that we extend to citizens by means of some sort of national identity document (e.g. a high-tech national ID card). I suggested at one time that resident aliens could be given similar cards, but that theirs wouldn’t entitle them to vote or to receive public assistance. The cards could also serve as work-authorization documents, for those aliens who have formal authorization.

Something like this would take years to implement, though. and it wouldn’t be cheap to do.

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Don’t necessarily see how those have to be violated to greatly reduce the number of undocumented citizens?

The way the border is set up, we make it as easy as possible for goods and people to cross with as little delay as possible. This helps our “just in time” business model since most major companies have gone away from warehousing goods. You also have major companies that will send a worker here for 2 days for meetings and such.

If we tighten down the border to the point where it’s “secure”, you’re going to see America look like the old East Germany where you’re likely to be stopped and have your “papers” checked every 30 steps. Instead of being able to land on a plane and leave the airport within 10-20 minutes of arrival, you’re likely going to be in the airport for hours to clear immigration and customs. Upon completing a cruise, you won’t be able to just walk off the ship as you’ll have to clear a tighter immigration policy.

That’s what I meant by giving up personal freedoms. This I know first hand as I do this stuff for a living.

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Cat – Knew I would hurt some feelings on the Jammy Codder MYTH but I am telling the TRUTH. His son married my sister’s best friend (now divorced). Chip was in class with me temporarily at Georgia Southwestern in Americus but he wasn’t there for long – got caught selling illegal “stay awake” pills called “white crosses” to students so they could stay awake to study for finals. I heard the the TRUE history of Jammy Codder from the CAT’s mouth……. yes, his own family and upon hearing this I went to witness the tearing down of the shacks whose residents had vanished in to the night. Jammy Codder is a MYTH.

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Historic speech.

“Most of us used to be them”

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“Obama hasn’t done it yet, but he’s not done, yet, either”

YouTube video.

Next…

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Paul

January 29th, 2013
2:49 pm

Paul, I think a main problem on here is the ad hominem attacks. When I addressed Jay about him leaving out that 15 members of the majority party broke rank and joined the minority he immediatly accused me of one being a member of the GOP;which I did not state, but I am. It was backlash from conservative outlets and calls to congress that caused the bill to fail.

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Mick – I do know and have studied the Social Security system. You are correct to say that Social Security is paid in to by the beneficiaries – it is not a hand out from the gub’ment……. there are some exceptions to this that I won’t get in to here because some checks received (millions of dollars) were never paid in by the recipients. By PONZI scheme I mean that there will soon be more dollars going out than coming in. The population will be “top heavy” with more receiving dollars than paying in due to the aging population. And another little situation I must mention – the Congress has raided the S.S. to pay for other social programs. There is no great fund of money being saved up for later payments. What comes in goes out. Do you understand what I am saying? There is no nest egg built up and stored in the bank to pay out. It has been illegally spent on wasteful gub’ment. We have been robbed! With a PONZI scheme enough money has to b collected to pay out orit will collapse. Thus S.S. is a great PONZI scheme ’cause the Congress raided the funds.

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Towncrier — “From what all I read, listening to many liberals, I think that they really make little of the fact that millions of people have illegally and immorally entered our country ahead of those trying to do it the proper way. It really bothers me. Principles really matter.”

I recognize that, and I (and most liberals I know) don’t reject that notion. The prevailing complaint I hear most often from liberal quarters is that conservatives make the illegosos into the bad guys while not pressing harder to make those who *employ* them pay a serious price. A common analogy I hear is that an illegoso is like a drug user, while an employer who looks the other way when an illegoso asks for a job is like the drug *pusher.* In the grand scheme of things, who’s more dangerous? The guy with an ounce of weed or the guy selling weed, special K, oxycontin, meth, heroin and X on your streetcorner? From where I’m standing, liberals want the solution to start at the *other* end of the chain; e.g. jail some employers and watch other employers start to straighten up.

“On the other hand, I know there are a LOT of conservative politician and talking heads that place undue emphasis upon “securing the borders” and not nearly enough emphasis upon taking away the incentive for people to come here (in agreement with your point). They are advocating untenable solutions to problems that have not proven to be cost effective. That bothers me as well (and probably is the BIGGEST reason the GOP is in such trouble).”

Agreed.

“And, were I to be an atheist, I would fall into the latter camp – like Dostoevsky apparently would have. To me, that is simply a better logical expression of atheism. I would see no compelling reason to be moral – only to act moral when needed as a form of self preservation (until such time I no longer desired to live and then would end it all).”

We need to have an extended discussion on the utility of morality in the lives of atheists, you and I. I sincerely think you would find it eye-opening.

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Fine….but we the people will demand to be first in line to be paid, all other creditors get in line…still it won’t have to come to that with a few simple fixes – raising the cap for starters. Then, after the baby boomers are extinct, things will level out for future recipients, so…the next 30 years or so just need to be bridged…

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Mick – I wish you were right but the Baby Boomers will be followed by a still larger group of elderly. All this health care is making people live longer – not have a better QUALITY of life – just live longer. Did you know that 80% of all health care costs come in the last SIX MONTHS of life. Death is a big money racket. Keeping people alive a few more months costs a fortune.

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“smarter enforcement, a pathway to earn citizenship, improvements in the legal immigration system so that we continue to be a magnet for the best and the brightest all around the world.” –President Obama

Yea, cause we don’t already have a pathway to citizenship and the “best and the brightest” from Mexico are pouring across our border eager as hell to mow our lawns, paint our homes, and pick our crops. That’s what all the world’s “best” and “brightest” do, right libs?!!!

What a joke. It’s about getting votes and nothing more. PERIOD.

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Checking in after the dictator gets another 4 years, what is the difference between a criminal and a tea party member, extortion is a crime last I looked and guns go well with this plot. I am waiting any day for a South Carolina congressman to whip out his gun and shoot a hole in the ceiling of the capital while yelling liar at the top of his lungs. You think that guy was drunk? Only explanation for being that out of control yet he can carry a gun probably had one on him at the time.

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I can see the story line now if these conservatives get their way:

The President was two days late for the ceremony. He explained that he had been put on a “milk run” Greyhound bus as an economy measure.

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