Political realities drive push for immigration reform
“I believe we can get it done. I’ll see you at the bill signing.”
– President George W. Bush in 2007,
expressing confidence in passage of a
major immigration reform package
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Of course, the bill signing envisioned by President Bush never did take place. Opposition from within his own party quickly doomed the measure, and the relationship between Republicans and Hispanic Americans has been all downhill ever since.
In 2004, Bush attracted 44 percent of the Hispanic vote on his way to re-election. In 2008, after the demise of the immigration bill, John McCain pulled just 31 percent. Mitt Romney, whose solution to the problem was self-deportation, got 27 percent in 2012. An ever-declining percentage of a fast-growing demographic group is a long-term formula for failure, as McCain himself reminded his party Monday.
“If we continue to polarize the Latino/Hispanic vote,” the Arizona senator said on CNN, “the demographics indicate that our chances of being in the majority are minimal.”
So this week, McCain joined seven other U.S. senators — an equal mix of Republicans and Democrats — in announcing agreement on a broad, comprehensive immigration-reform package. Marco Rubio of Florida, a potential GOP presidential contender in 2016, was also among the group. And while that ought to be encouraging, the truth is that conservatives and liberals seem to have very different ideas about the details of the proposal, which at this point exists only as a vague description of principles.
The Hispanic Leadership Network, an offshoot of a major Republican SuperPAC, sent a memo to congressional Republicans this week, offering a series of friendly reminders about how to talk about immigration reform in public.
Such broad descriptive language can sidestep or paper over major policy differences, but those differences become glaringly apparent once you start putting it into legislative language of “shall” and “shall not”. In one indication of the work ahead, senators don’t expect to have an actual bill to introduce until the end of March, and even that schedule is probably optimistic.
McCain, Rubio and other prominent Republicans know that their party would be damaged permanently if it is seen to be blocking yet another effort at immigration reform. Yet a different bloc of Republicans, most of them in the House, remains committed to oppose anything that might offer amnesty or a path to citizenship for those who came here illegally.
President Obama’s strained relationship with House Republicans adds another layer of difficulty to the problem. The president is scheduled to announce his own immigration-reform package today in Nevada, which is also the home state of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. Not coincidentally, the growing Latino vote has been crucial in turning Nevada from a red state to a blue state in the last two presidential elections.
Obama has promised to make immigration reform a primary goal of his second term in office, and like Reid, he’s under pressure to produce. However, he also recognizes that the pressure on Republicans is even more intense. The longer this problem remains unresolved, leaving some 10 to 12 million illegal immigrants in legal limbo, the more difficult it becomes for the GOP.
In Georgia, for example, non-white Hispanics make up an estimated 9 percent of the population, but they comprised barely 1 percent of the turnout in the 2012 election. Regardless of what happens in Washington, that second number is going to rise and rise quickly in future election cycles, and if Republicans can’t at least be competitive for that vote, things get very difficult.
– Jay Bookman
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Jm
January 29th, 2013
1:24 pm
At minimum
Modify a G6 and fly him on that
If it works for corporate titans it should be good enough for Obama
Dell buying a Dreamliner doesn’t count
Granny Godzilla
January 29th, 2013
1:24 pm
DAmn – The blog god has every right to be giggling at me right now.
One more try…
Marty Huggins’
January 29th, 2013
1:08 pm
Granny Godzilla
January 29th, 2013
12:54 pm
There are democrat members of the Hispanic caucus urging him not to deliver his plan today at the speech for fear it would HARM the chances of the bipartisan effort on the delicate issue.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/28/sources-congressional-hispanic-caucus-members-urged-obama-not-to-unveil-immigration-bill/comment-page-1/
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As member of the GOP wail as well.
This will not be a cakewalk for either side.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 29th, 2013
1:25 pm
G. Heathen — “So with the caveat that Scout’s report is accurate, most of you Obamanauts are on record that flying 2 747s across the country to deliver a speech is ok with you, because Bush did it too.”
Actually, I think we’re on record that ‘if Bush did it and y’all didn’t find fault with it *then,* then y’all should keep your seats and hold your tongues when Obama does it *now.*”
Look before I leap...
January 29th, 2013
1:26 pm
” BO has odds in his favor to go down as worst fiscal president in history”
Last I checked, the President, with a few very narrow exceptions, has no spending authority in this country.
But if you want to play the Presidential blame game, in order for Obama to move to the head of the class in terms of being a bad fiscal leader, the stock market will have to shed 89% of its value in the next 3 years. Unemployment will need to rise to 25% and international trade will need to decline by half.
If Obama only seeks to take over the number 2 spot, international trade needs to sink by 33%, the stock market needs to shrink by 50% and unemployment only need climb to about 11%.
RB from Gwinnett
January 29th, 2013
1:26 pm
Mick, “If anyone needed a teleprompter none more than the previous president who could barely string together two coherent sentences…”
I ah don’t ah suppose ah you’ve ah listened ah to ah Obama ah when ah he’s ah not ah reading ah off ah the ah teleprompter ah, have ah you?
Paul
January 29th, 2013
1:26 pm
Just listened to the Rubio interview on Rush.
I’ll bet all the bloggers who decried the ‘lovefest’ and ‘mutual adoration society’ and ‘lack of tough questions’ when it came to the Pres and the SecState on 60 minutes will somehow think the Rush/Rubiofest was just wonderful!
Jay
January 29th, 2013
1:26 pm
“most of you Obamanauts are on record that flying 2 747s across the country to deliver a speech is ok with you, because Bush did it too.”
No, it’s OK, period, regardless of what Bush did. I thought Bush was showboating in the Schiavo case, but at the time it never occurred to me to complain about the cost. Such things are inherent in the modern presidency. This is just more hypocritical BS, like that Faux News controversy about Obama allegedly spending a zillion dollars a day to travel to India.
DannyX
January 29th, 2013
1:26 pm
“Whats next? Birth certificates, flag pins and fist bumps?”
Guess I should have added this,
“exhibit #1 Obama – came in to office wealthy but not a millionaire”
Keep them coming whiners!
Jm
January 29th, 2013
1:27 pm
Sfd
Yes he is
He should go vegan and buy a treadmill
td
January 29th, 2013
1:28 pm
Rush just endorsed the vision Rubio has for immigration reform. He got Rubio on the record stating that is enforcement measures are not in place first on border security and visa reform and validated by conservatives sources then he will pull out of the deal.
TBS
January 29th, 2013
1:28 pm
Stevie
And don’t get me wrong in terms of hypocrisy. It flows like a river from both sides. Many on the left were up in arms regarding the “Patriot Act”, yet when Obama “re upd”, most were silent.
Jm
January 29th, 2013
1:28 pm
The back seat driving on Obama’s flying is as legitimate as the maze of nanny state rules the government loves
Look before I leap...
January 29th, 2013
1:28 pm
“If it works for corporate titans it should be good enough for Obama”
I don’t know of any corporate titans who have nuclear command and control. Do you?
And just as an aside, the roomy, tweaked out jets currently used to transport the President were ordered by St. Ronnie.
Regnad Kcin
January 29th, 2013
1:29 pm
“Flying one person on a 747 is practically and environmentally insane”
There should AT LEAST be a co-pilot…
getalife
January 29th, 2013
1:29 pm
It is great for our President to leave the bubble and mingle with Americans.
He likes to do this so let him.
You will always have the ole reliable teleprompter stevie.
Mick
January 29th, 2013
1:30 pm
rb
Very silly stuff…your hate shines right thru it..we won’t get fooled again…
DannyX
January 29th, 2013
1:30 pm
“Rush just endorsed the vision Rubio has for immigration reform.”
Oh my God!!! Hooray! Rush is on board!! Rush is on board!
Republicans now have permission to proceed!!!
Stevie Ray
January 29th, 2013
1:30 pm
TBS
January 29th, 2013
1:24 pm
I think we agree…it’s amazing the amount of energy everyone spends pointing out hypocracy..we are all guilty of it…sometimes it’s evidence of coming to new, better educated conclusions..
My point is that just because Bush did something, it doesn’t mean that is the standard barometric measure of efficacy. It is absurd but IMO, it is the easiest and less thought out defense of, in this case, travel expense..
Did either of them have a travel budget?
Marty Huggins'
January 29th, 2013
1:30 pm
getalife
January 29th, 2013
1:24 pm
Clinton I can see.
Gave on things and compromised without vilifying his opposition.
He compromised with idiots at times because he knew action needed to be taken not political points scored.
He appeared to be slightly more concerned with getting things done than getting credit more than Obama.
Maybe he was smart enough to know he would get the credit for it in the end.
President is like QB gets all credit and blame in the end.
RB from Gwinnett
January 29th, 2013
1:31 pm
“like that Faux News”
Ah, yes, the liberal media starting to call those who dare to share an opposing opinion names.
And to think this pathetic excuse for a journalist still has the nerve to call himself one when he can’t even see integrity from so far out in left field… Unbelievable.
Jefferson
January 29th, 2013
1:31 pm
Rubio is an anchor baby, he should know the ropes.
indigo
January 29th, 2013
1:31 pm
Maybe we should do two things about the illegals.
1. Open our doors and let as many illegals come into our country as possible.
2. Once they are here, put as many as possible into our Military and let them fight the wars our Military-Industrial Complex so deeply crave.
It would be interesting to see how many illegals would want to come here under those conditions.
stands for decibels
January 29th, 2013
1:31 pm
This is just more hypocritical BS, like that Faux News controversy about Obama allegedly spending a zillion dollars a day to travel to India.
Jay, you exaggerate. Conservatives claimed it was a mere $2 billion.
TBS
January 29th, 2013
1:31 pm
“This is just more hypocritical BS, like that Faux News controversy about Obama allegedly spending a zillion dollars a day to travel to India.”
Well in the case of Bachman, you can not take personal responsibility for spreading the lie and say you were just passing along what you read in an Indian newspaper.
Jm
January 29th, 2013
1:31 pm
Obama is flying on a Chinese credit card
They should ground him
barking frog
January 29th, 2013
1:32 pm
Enter your comments here
stands for decibels
January 29th, 2013
1:32 pm
Oh my God!!! Hooray! Rush is on board!! Rush is on board!
Following Sean Hannity’s lead? that’s gotta hurt.
getalife
January 29th, 2013
1:32 pm
td,
The border is more secure than ever.
Deportations are up under President Obama.
These are the facts.
Morality?
January 29th, 2013
1:33 pm
X 1:14 – “Extend illegal immigration to same sex too” “Why Not – sure” . Well I thought that illegal immigration was ALREADY extended to anyone willing to cross the border and I didn’t realize that SEX had anything to do with it. That’s all.
Paul
January 29th, 2013
1:33 pm
So…. how many self-identified conservatives on this blog are okay with a pathway to citizenship?
What should it look like?
I’m guessing you’re not, and if you are, you aren’t too sure how to do it.
But you’ll hate anything Pres Obama says in his speech.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 29th, 2013
1:33 pm
My suggestion is we just have Obama get a flight suit and fly a fighter jet around landing on aircraft carriers. I am sure that stunt didn’t cost anything. It’s not like they could have put that banner up in the White House briefing room. It would have clashed with the décor.
Jay
January 29th, 2013
1:34 pm
BTW, the media pays its own way on such trips.
Regnad Kcin
January 29th, 2013
1:35 pm
“He should go vegan and buy a treadmill”
Why are conservatives obsessed with controlling our bodies?
Mick
January 29th, 2013
1:36 pm
Of all the hispanic politicians, marco rubio represents the wrong demographic; besides the all mighty cubans, what other immigrant group gets to stay in america legally if they just have to set foot on dry land??? They are despised amongst all the others…
Stevie Ray
January 29th, 2013
1:36 pm
Jay
January 29th, 2013
1:26 pm
The Schiavo deal was a true example of idiocy that abounds when a few votes are at stake. The was one of the most embarrassing events of any presidents career.
It seems to me that the grandstanding and continued campaigning by BO is, like Bush’s catering to christian nuts, simply a self serving expense. Why couldn’t BO simply make his every other day speech from Washington? Perhaps learning from mistakes of presidents past?
barking frog
January 29th, 2013
1:38 pm
Jay
BTW, the media pays its own way on such trips.
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Could the fare be upped to cover the total cost?
Regnad Kcin
January 29th, 2013
1:38 pm
“The back seat driving on Obama’s flying is as legitimate as the maze of nanny state rules the government loves”
Huh? Try again, in English this time…
getalife
January 29th, 2013
1:39 pm
Marty,
President Clinton worked with a different gop without a tea party.
Our President now will pass a health care and immigration bill.
He likes to make history.
DannyX
January 29th, 2013
1:39 pm
“It seems to me that the grandstanding and continued campaigning by BO is, like Bush’s catering to christian nuts, simply a self serving expense.”
Ouch, td, rb, and morality, that ought to hurt!
Stevie, what exactly is Obama campaigning for?
Stevie Ray
January 29th, 2013
1:39 pm
So I’m in NYC using a computer at Kinkos and the enormous guy next to me is assaulting his computer in Spanish and getting rather animated….it is a good time to ask him if he is here legally and if not, inform him of the fact that he has no right to abuse property?
It’s getting ugly..not unlike the orgy, I’m bailing…
Towncrier
January 29th, 2013
1:39 pm
“The longer this problem remains unresolved, leaving some 10 to 12 million illegal immigrants in legal limbo, the more difficult it becomes for the GOP.”
prin·ci·ple /ˈprinsəpəl/ Noun
1) A fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior or for a chain of reasoning.
2) A rule or belief governing one’s personal behavior.
Liberals are apparently an unprincipled lot. There are very clear reasons why we have immigration laws at this point. But to liberals, coming into our country illegally is akin to spitting on the sidewalk (or maybe committing adultery) – NO BIG DEAL. Instead of saying things like Canada and Mexico represent two of our closest friends and allies and giving residents of those countries preferred immigration status above all other people of the world and allowing them to obtain special 2 or 3 year renewable work visas, they would rather just dismiss the law and call criminals non-criminals. And I would bet that not a single liberal would NOT call police if, after coming back from a family vacation, they discovered migrants were illegally residing in their home. Yet they expect the rest of us to do just that.
And THAT is why I detest what liberalism has become these days – it is no longer fighting to right obvious wrongs (like treating people badly for things they cannot help – like their age, gender and the color of their skin). Instead, it is fighting to defend obvious wrongs (perpetrated by people CHOOSING to commit them). That is not liberalism; it is corruption.
That Black Guy
January 29th, 2013
1:40 pm
Look before I leap…
January 29th, 2013
10:25 am
The GOP has done such a good job of portraying hispanic (read Mexican) immigrants as lazy, tequila swigging, public assistance moochers over the last couple of decades. The GOP are now a victim of that PR campaign.
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With “decades” of examples, I’m sure you can readily link *several* speeches, ads, editorials from the *GOP* to support your claims, right.
But what I really think is you have shone the light on *YOUR* opinion of hispanics.
Paul
January 29th, 2013
1:40 pm
BTW, Rush never ask Rubio why he thinks he’s qualified to be president….. state legislature…. two years as a senator…. gimme a break….
RB from Gwinnett
January 29th, 2013
1:41 pm
Mick, “your hate shines right thru it..we won’t get fooled again…”
So, you’ve finally figured out we don’t like you and have no intentions of “coming together” with the people who are having the federal government steal from us for their benefit?
Good.
Morality?
January 29th, 2013
1:42 pm
Like Jay says if the Prez wastes money it is not wasted. Beisides he needs to get down amongst the common people every now and the – mix and mingle . so he will see how the “commom” people live.
Mick
January 29th, 2013
1:42 pm
**That is not liberalism; it is corruption**
Yes it is, so why blame the liberals???
Jm
January 29th, 2013
1:43 pm
I wonder what an AF1 ticket costs
Booked through US Air?
New revenue opportunity for US
Empty AF1 seats!
getalife
January 29th, 2013
1:43 pm
“So I’m in NYC using a computer at Kinkos”
Seriously?
Living With Open Eyes
January 29th, 2013
1:43 pm
Whoever commented earlier that Mexicans work hard and don’t steal hasn’t ever worked with them personally. I have for the past 30 years since all the idiots in Washington quit enforcing immigration laws. When you take a lunch break you had better take your tools with you – I’ve caught them stealing from me and others many times. They laugh and think it is funny just like they laugh at all our laws. They don’t want to share – they want to take over all our jobs for their fellow Mexicans. They think whites and blacks are weak and stupid. You are blind and ignorant if you don’t realize this my fellow libs.
getalife
January 29th, 2013
1:44 pm
After the billions they made in tv ads, they should pay their own way and not mooch.
Fiscally Conservative Vampire – who only wants to suck the life out of the unions and NOT the “earners”. Vote "R" For Vampire!
January 29th, 2013
1:45 pm
Paul: So…. how many self-identified conservatives on this blog are okay with a pathway to citizenship?
Unless they are republicans and/or dead vampire bloodsuckers, (but i repeat myself), then my answer is not just no but HE!! NO. Their pathway stops at the end of the borders! They want a path? Well, then they can march their azzes right up to Canada! The canadians need more tacos anyway!
Paul: I’m guessing you’re not, and if you are, you aren’t too sure how to do it.
The only illegals I want to see are the ones that wash my cars and mow my lawns THEN when they’re done, I can pretend I don’t know them and I had no idea that they were illegal in the first place.
indigo
January 29th, 2013
1:45 pm
Towncrier – 1:39 “they would rather just dismiss the law and call criminals non-criminals”
That is precisely what Business has persuaded Republican politicians to do, for many years now. Business wanted cheap labor and bribed their Republican politicians to look the other way as millions of illegals flooded our country.
RB from Gwinnett
January 29th, 2013
1:46 pm
“Stevie, what exactly is Obama campaigning for?”
A legacy.
And it’s going to work out just as well as Jimmy Carter’s has.
Towncrier
January 29th, 2013
1:46 pm
“Of all the hispanic politicians, marco rubio represents the wrong demographic; besides the all mighty cubans, what other immigrant group gets to stay in america legally if they just have to set foot on dry land??? They are despised amongst all the others…”
Well, apparently that is true of Mexicans as well (or have you forgotten the “reform” of 1987)? If it is wrong for Cubans (and I think it is), then why is it NOT wrong for Mexicans or whoever?
Jm
January 29th, 2013
1:46 pm
Getalife
Seriously?
To each their own man
Marty Huggins'
January 29th, 2013
1:47 pm
Paul
January 29th, 2013
1:33 pm
I’m on board with a path to citizenship and a conservative.
I like the idea of a process with levels for those already here and can prove their existence prior to.
In other words full blown citizenship should not be granted immediately. As there are no other immigrants without a process. Arriving first then proceeding should not be the preferred or easiest method.
I think a process would also help not eliminate but help reduce either political party from abusing the reform for votes immediately.
However something must be done to address the issue of more people coming into our country undocumented by securing all of our borders and the processes we use to identify who is here and when that are non citizens.
Without doing this it does not matter as we will be right here again in 15-20 years figuring out what to do with the next 11-15 million undocumented residents.
Don’t be so quick to answer for others
Morality?
January 29th, 2013
1:47 pm
Mick – If, and I say IF, you knew your history you would know why Cubans are allowed to stay on our soil. Cubans aren’t hated by Latinos…… dumb, dumb, dumb statement. Maybe there is a little envy there by some but not hate. Cubans are a very small part of our population so don’t hate.
Doggone/GA
January 29th, 2013
1:48 pm
“However something must be done to address the issue of more people coming into our country undocumented by securing all of our borders”
I have some bad news for you. No matter how much you cry about it, it CANNOT be done. Our borders are too big to secure every inch of everyone of them.
Lance from Carrollton
January 29th, 2013
1:49 pm
Paul
January 29th, 2013
1:33 pm
So…. how many self-identified conservatives on this blog are okay with a pathway to citizenship?
What should it look like?
I’m guessing you’re not, and if you are, you aren’t too sure how to do it.
But you’ll hate anything Pres Obama says in his speech
I like the bill presented before Congress. The problem that I see is the pressure that will undoubtedly be applied by constituents like in 2007. A pathway to citizenship is needed to people living here. There are many undocumented immigrants who work hard and pay taxes. I would like to see them be able accounted for. But, I see a similar result from 2007. The minority party in Washington hits paydirt during midterm elections by simply obstructing any success from the majority party; in 2006 and 2010, both parties benefited from simply saying no. Even if this bill survives a filibuster, it will not survive the house.
Mick
January 29th, 2013
1:50 pm
rb
Having the federal gov’t steal from you? What a friggin crybaby! I pay taxes, never collected from a gov’t program my entire life. Is their waste, fraud? Absolutely, that needs to be fixed. Still, I pay my taxes knowing that it is my civic duty to do so and I’m not so wound up about that I need to be moaning, groaning and blaming the liberals for it day in and day out when the fact of the matter is that this debt was run up by a republican house from 01-07, deal with that…
Fiscally Conservative Vampire – who only wants to suck the life out of the unions and NOT the “earners”. Vote "R" For Vampire!
January 29th, 2013
1:50 pm
They don’t want to share – they want to take over all our jobs for their fellow Mexicans. They think whites and blacks are weak and stupid. You are blind and ignorant if you don’t realize this my fellow libs.
Brilliant!! Another true believer spouting nonsense on the blog!
You do the republican party proud! You’re comment was textbook!
When you can’t find anything intelligent to say, or even RELEVANT, then you spout a bunch of bullcrap, make up even more bullcrap, and then say”My fellow libs”; as if you’re a “lib” and not a programmed Republican!!
Stay blind my friend, Stay blind. You’re doing Brilliantly!!!
Towncrier
January 29th, 2013
1:50 pm
“That is precisely what Business has persuaded Republican politicians to do, for many years now. Business wanted cheap labor and bribed their Republican politicians to look the other way as millions of illegals flooded our country.”
I agree that small businesses have been complicit in this mess, but you are going to have a very hard time proving to me (or anyone for that matter) that all such businesses are run by Republicans. It is an inane statement to make. In any case, two wrongs do not make a right.
getalife
January 29th, 2013
1:50 pm
“To each their own man”
I was going to ask him what he is doing up there.
DannyX
January 29th, 2013
1:51 pm
“Liberals are apparently an unprincipled lot. There are very clear reasons why we have immigration laws at this point. But to liberals, coming into our country illegally is akin to spitting on the sidewalk (or maybe committing adultery) – NO BIG DEAL.”
That is the biggest crock I’ve read from you in a long time TC. Was Reagan a part of the unprincipled lot when he signed the amnesty bill? How about George W Bush and his brother Jeb? Arnold Schwarzenegger? Marco Rubio? Saxby Chambliss? Fact is it’s businesses that make it possible for illegal aliens to live here not liberals. Its the holier than thou crowd in the suburbs that hire them to mow their lawns, take care of their kids, hire for day labor and eat the food they harvest, and visit the restaurants they work in.
Then you bring in adultery to the conversation as if it is just another liberal thing, ignoring the fact that the Baptist church is filled with members that have committed adultery. How else can you account for the outrageous divorce numbers that plague the Baptist church?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 29th, 2013
1:51 pm
Walmart is a small business?
Jm
January 29th, 2013
1:52 pm
http://clatl.com/freshloaf/archives/2013/01/25/midtown-to-add-new-bicycle-streetscape-projects
At least one decent thing happening in Atlanta
Regnad Kcin
January 29th, 2013
1:52 pm
“And it’s going to work out just as well as Jimmy Carter’s has.”
Jimmy Carter – the only president in my lifetime who NEVER looked me in the eye, and lied.
He has MY respect. That might not be as important to you, though.
(Obama hasn’t done it yet, but he’s not done, yet, either.)
getalife
January 29th, 2013
1:54 pm
President Carter’s legacy is after he left office but he was dead right about oil.
Aquagirl
January 29th, 2013
1:54 pm
Then you bring in adultery to the conversation
The evil forms of sexification are never far from TC’s mind.
DannyX
January 29th, 2013
1:56 pm
“The evil forms of sexification are never far from TC’s mind.”
I’m surprised he didn’t sneak abortion in too!
Morality?
January 29th, 2013
1:58 pm
From talking to Mexicans that have come to this country I would say that most of them are Christians and disagree with much Obama’s immoral social agenda. They also do not want SOCIALISM and are willing to work for a living. They voted Dem for one reason only – there is no real future for them in Mexico with it’s corrupt politicians and drug lords. They want to stay here and bring their family members here. If the corrupt gub’ment and the drug lords were gone and they could get a decent job in Mexico many would gladly return as they are loyal and proud Mexicans. They agree with most of what Obama stands for but they do want to be legal in this country.
GT
January 29th, 2013
1:59 pm
W will be the last Republican president in our life time. His party will disappear with the Wigs and sundry other nonfunctional parties. We live in progressive times and witchcraft as a religion or a political party is no longer a ticket to being elected. The modern access to real information and the idea that all men are equal are every bite if not more important than one amendment or loophole foundations that hold yesterday’s news and party together.
We live in a greater nation than our forefathers or at least as far back as the 19th century, because billions of dirty dollars can’t turn the tide of truth as was the custom for centuries. If you are good in America you will do well, but you have to be honest, the days of the right championing slavery, integration, pirates on Wall Street and any other immoral cause of the day while pretending to be the Christian Right is watching a sunset. Even Andy Stanley is seeing the writing on the wall. You can actually believe in God without your soul and body being owned by the KKK and NRA. Imagine…
Jm
January 29th, 2013
2:01 pm
Student loan delinquency under Obama reaches all time high of 15%
Obama is an idiot
Checking in after the dictator gets another 4 years
January 29th, 2013
2:01 pm
Why has Obama NEVER had his wife with him we goes to Muslim countries? I think we all know, just want to throw some feed to the fish.
stands for decibels
January 29th, 2013
2:02 pm
He has MY respect. That might not be as important to you, though.
I was going to say–it’s absolutely weird how some online conservatives seem to think most Americans regard Jimmy Carter with anything but fondness. Yes, there are some whiners who have tried to make him out to be some kind of anti-Semitic monster because he thinks Palestinians are human beings, but I’d wager most Americans think of him as an honest, devout, hard-working man who builds houses for poor people and tries to keep warring factions from killing one another.
Anyway, Obama won the second term, so the RBs of this world can put away those stupid “Welcome Back” t-shirts.
Checking in after the dictator gets another 4 years
January 29th, 2013
2:02 pm
s/b when he goes
Doggone/GA
January 29th, 2013
2:02 pm
“Student loan delinquency under Obama reaches all time high of 15%”
What he HEK=CK is he doing? He should be out there knocking on every student’s door and MAKING SURE they pay their debt. What the heck, he’s got nothing better to do anyway.
Regnad Kcin
January 29th, 2013
2:03 pm
“Student loan delinquency under Obama reaches all time high of 15%
Obama is an idiot”
This has been another edition of “conservative logic…”
*sigh*
Aquagirl
January 29th, 2013
2:03 pm
From talking to Mexicans that have come to this country
It’s amazing how many white men are surrounded by women/Mexicans/gays/blacks/Inuits who so TOTALLY agree with their point of view.
Astounding, really.
Mick
January 29th, 2013
2:04 pm
Only jm could be so far out as to blame obama for student loan defaults! Get a grip chicken little…
Nduka
January 29th, 2013
2:06 pm
This new scheme is lipstick on the same ole pig…still amnesty.
The simple, irrefutable fact is that you’re giving a pass to lawbreakers. And since precedents matter where do you draw the line? Illegal aliens today, maybe drug traffickers and sex offenders tomorrow.
Regnad Kcin
January 29th, 2013
2:06 pm
Jimmy Carter was, as far asI can tell, our only Christian president, based upon his life’s work (at least in my lifetime).
Doggone/GA
January 29th, 2013
2:07 pm
“Only jm could be so far out as to blame obama for student loan defaults!”
and it’s a pretty safe bet he can’t tell you what the rate was under ANY other Presdent…without looking it up.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 29th, 2013
2:07 pm
It’s amazing how many white men are surrounded by women/Mexicans/gays/blacks/Inuits who so TOTALLY agree with their point of view.
Well are you going to disagree when they are carrying?
St Simons - aboriginal
January 29th, 2013
2:07 pm
i think the funniest thing is they can’t take a crap without issuing
the Frank Luntz talky points on it, so they’ll know what to say.
…and wait til 3pm for their AM-radio-Goebbels to put sprinkles on it.
Beyond sad really.
DannyX
January 29th, 2013
2:08 pm
Obama is an idiot alert…Dow on 14,000 watch…now at 13,955…
BENGHAZI!!!
stands for decibels
January 29th, 2013
2:08 pm
Why has Obama NEVER had his wife with him we goes to Muslim countries?
http://www.examiner.com/article/michelle-obama-s-indonesian-state-dinner-dress
Doggone/GA
January 29th, 2013
2:08 pm
“This new scheme is lipstick on the same ole pig…still amnesty.”
Ok, how much are you willing to pay to track them down, round them up and deport them all? ALL 11 million, give or take, of them?
Checking in after the dictator gets another 4 years
January 29th, 2013
2:08 pm
Do you ever wonder why Mexican’s lean democratic when we are told they value hard work and family?
Really doesn’t add up
Doggone/GA
January 29th, 2013
2:10 pm
“Do you ever wonder why Mexican’s lean democratic”
nope
Joe Hussein Mama
January 29th, 2013
2:10 pm
Towncrier — “But to liberals, coming into our country illegally is akin to spitting on the sidewalk (or maybe committing adultery) – NO BIG DEAL.”
To our government as well, for about the last 50+ years. It’s not the crime (insert emphasis of your choice here) some conservatives seem to want to paint it as. It is a problem, but in a great many cases, our government doesn’t even classify it as a crime.
FWIW, several of us on the left have an ongoing discussion here regarding how a system could be implemented that provided these things:
1) a secure national identity document, high-tech and nigh-impossible to forge
2) a database tied to that document, enabling employers to quickly and easily check the status of prospective employees
3) a secure voting system that could even facilitate secure remote voting and would prevent non-citizens from voting
Far from it being “NO BIG DEAL,” as you say, we have a few concrete ideas on the matter. Not all of us agree, but we have, IMO, a nugget of a good idea. And often, when the topic comes up, we ask one or more conservative posters to join us in our discussion, but almost invariably, at least one conservative objects on grounds of cost. Well, how much is it worth to us as a nation to have secure borders and unforgeable document cards (e.g. for SS and Medicare benefits)? How much is it worth to us as a nation to ensure that voter fraud isn’t taking place? Do we want to do it right, or do we want a half-azzed solution that will see us having this same argument 30 years from now?
The fact of the matter isn’t that we consider such things, as you say, “NO BIG DEAL,” it’s just that we’re not losing our collective mind about it. We *see* the problem. We *agree* that there’s a problem. But we *differ* on what to do about it and how to get there; it’s as simple as that.
Further, about two weeks ago, you berated Jay for what you called mocking and belittling comments about pro-gun individuals, yet here you are, doing the exact same thing yourself — last night about atheists in general and today about liberals in particular. So heal thyself, physician. If it hacks you off so much to see others do it, cool your freakin’ jets and stop doing it yourself.
You do both your ideological side and mine a distinct disservice when you blithely make assertions about what other groups — to which you don’t even belong — think and believe.
stands for decibels
January 29th, 2013
2:10 pm
s/b when he goes
no, “checking in,” s/b “I was completely wrong about my assertion @ 2.01, and I am sorry for spreading lies. I will try to be more diligent in the future.”
Or, you can run off and pretend like this never happened.
getalife
January 29th, 2013
2:11 pm
“W will be the last Republican president in our life time. His party will disappear with the Wigs and sundry other nonfunctional parties. We live in progressive times and witchcraft as a religion or a political party is no longer a ticket to being elected.”
That is great news for our country.
Our President is about to speak on this issue.
Morality?
January 29th, 2013
2:11 pm
Jammy Codder -nooooooooooooooooooooo! “Jammy Codder was honest blah, blah blah and right about oil” I did here him say in 1970’something that we would run out of oil in FIVE years. No quite so right on that one. My greatest memory of him was hearing him drone on for two hours at my college graduation about his left wing socialist philosophy. What a bore? The biggest legacy Jammy Codder left was being the most unpopular Prez in history based on the lack of votes he got in the land slide beat down Ronald Reagan put on him. He created a disaster of an economy and the deepest (at that time) recession since the the Great “D”. Mortgage interest were 20% + and real estate was a disaster because no one could afford to buy a house – even if they found a job. Gold was selling at such a high price people were hocking their rings. Inflation was sky high. Right – Jammy Codder was a great Prez. Reminds me of the current times and what we have in office now.
DannyX
January 29th, 2013
2:11 pm
Lol Stands. Indonesia! The most populated Muslim country in the world.
Drudge check on the 2:01…Can we get a Drudge check on the 2:01
Lance from Carrollton
January 29th, 2013
2:11 pm
GT
January 29th, 2013
1:59 pm
There is an ebb and flow with politics in US History. Even though the Federalists and the Whigs folded, the Democrat party was split between Conservatives and Liberals. In 1974, the Republican party was dead in the water. Nixon left in disgrace, Agnew resigned in disgrace, and Ford was bound to lose in 1976. However, by 1980, Ronald Reagan won and even won control of the Senate. In 2004, there was talk of a permanent GOP majority in both Houses. The Republican and Democratic are the strongest parties in the United States. In fact, 30 Governorships are in Republican hands now.
Checking in after the dictator gets another 4 years
January 29th, 2013
2:11 pm
No decibel……a camel jockey Muslim country. Not a watered down half civil country. The cut your hand off type country
Aquagirl
January 29th, 2013
2:13 pm
Only jm could be so far out as to blame obama for student loan defaults!
Not true, we have a couple of other posters who seem as needy for the attention.
stands for decibels
January 29th, 2013
2:13 pm
Do you ever wonder why Mexican’s lean democratic
No.
I do wonder why some people can’t seem to pluralize without misusing the apostrophe, even though, presumably, they must have graduated second grade at some point in their lives.
DannyX
January 29th, 2013
2:14 pm
“No decibel……a camel jockey Muslim country. Not a watered down half civil country. The cut your hand off type country”
I see you are using yet another name!