Political realities drive push for immigration reform
“I believe we can get it done. I’ll see you at the bill signing.”
– President George W. Bush in 2007,
expressing confidence in passage of a
major immigration reform package
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Of course, the bill signing envisioned by President Bush never did take place. Opposition from within his own party quickly doomed the measure, and the relationship between Republicans and Hispanic Americans has been all downhill ever since.
In 2004, Bush attracted 44 percent of the Hispanic vote on his way to re-election. In 2008, after the demise of the immigration bill, John McCain pulled just 31 percent. Mitt Romney, whose solution to the problem was self-deportation, got 27 percent in 2012. An ever-declining percentage of a fast-growing demographic group is a long-term formula for failure, as McCain himself reminded his party Monday.
“If we continue to polarize the Latino/Hispanic vote,” the Arizona senator said on CNN, “the demographics indicate that our chances of being in the majority are minimal.”
So this week, McCain joined seven other U.S. senators — an equal mix of Republicans and Democrats — in announcing agreement on a broad, comprehensive immigration-reform package. Marco Rubio of Florida, a potential GOP presidential contender in 2016, was also among the group. And while that ought to be encouraging, the truth is that conservatives and liberals seem to have very different ideas about the details of the proposal, which at this point exists only as a vague description of principles.
The Hispanic Leadership Network, an offshoot of a major Republican SuperPAC, sent a memo to congressional Republicans this week, offering a series of friendly reminders about how to talk about immigration reform in public.
Such broad descriptive language can sidestep or paper over major policy differences, but those differences become glaringly apparent once you start putting it into legislative language of “shall” and “shall not”. In one indication of the work ahead, senators don’t expect to have an actual bill to introduce until the end of March, and even that schedule is probably optimistic.
McCain, Rubio and other prominent Republicans know that their party would be damaged permanently if it is seen to be blocking yet another effort at immigration reform. Yet a different bloc of Republicans, most of them in the House, remains committed to oppose anything that might offer amnesty or a path to citizenship for those who came here illegally.
President Obama’s strained relationship with House Republicans adds another layer of difficulty to the problem. The president is scheduled to announce his own immigration-reform package today in Nevada, which is also the home state of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. Not coincidentally, the growing Latino vote has been crucial in turning Nevada from a red state to a blue state in the last two presidential elections.
Obama has promised to make immigration reform a primary goal of his second term in office, and like Reid, he’s under pressure to produce. However, he also recognizes that the pressure on Republicans is even more intense. The longer this problem remains unresolved, leaving some 10 to 12 million illegal immigrants in legal limbo, the more difficult it becomes for the GOP.
In Georgia, for example, non-white Hispanics make up an estimated 9 percent of the population, but they comprised barely 1 percent of the turnout in the 2012 election. Regardless of what happens in Washington, that second number is going to rise and rise quickly in future election cycles, and if Republicans can’t at least be competitive for that vote, things get very difficult.
– Jay Bookman
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462 comments Add your comment
barking frog
January 29th, 2013
12:38 pm
Since when does gps direct you into a driveway ?
Stevie Ray
January 29th, 2013
12:39 pm
stands for decibels
January 29th, 2013
12:35 pm
What’s Bush got to do with this? I guess if that is the standard by which BO is compared, it suggests either a low bar and/or validation to spend at will…
I did note the other day that in the past 4 years, BO has made 699 teleprompted speeches..
Look before I leap...
January 29th, 2013
12:41 pm
“Just trying to point out how gun crazed our society has become.”
As if the earnest and serious suggestion that we arm all the teachers with guns were not evidence of that already.
getalife
January 29th, 2013
12:42 pm
rush would be a lib for millions.
Anyhoo, things are going extremely well for the start of our President’s second term.
He should stay away from Bloomberg and checking out nice assets.
Stevie Ray
January 29th, 2013
12:42 pm
This is funny no matter what your position on group sex may be:
http://blogs.ajc.com/news-to-me/2012/08/23/florida-orgy-ends-in-violence-arrests/
Doggone/GA
January 29th, 2013
12:42 pm
“Since when does gps direct you into a driveway ?”
GPS will direct you to a street address, but it’s not infallible
Aquagirl
January 29th, 2013
12:42 pm
as far as I know, the USA is the only nation where illegal aliens can have children and their children born to illegal aliens are legal
Please erase that Glen Beck tidbit from your brain. Both Mexico and Canada have the same basic policy.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 29th, 2013
12:43 pm
td — “I think he has just been busted in a lie.”
So Congresswoman Marsha Blackburn doubts that the President shoots skeet?
Shrug. I doubt that Congresswoman Marsha Blackburn’s a woman. After all, we’ve seen no evidence, so how can we be sure?
Marty Huggins'
January 29th, 2013
12:43 pm
Paul
January 29th, 2013
11:56 am
2 of the 4 republicans on the committee of 8 were not even senators when the dream act in 07 came about.
The other two opposed it with reservations about a lack of border security as it was not guaranteed in that proposal which would have allowed for the problem to continue of undocumented people.
This proposal does have an element of finding ways to drastically slow the unlawful immigration into our country.
There are a lot of republicans and democrats who were there in ‘07 are now no longer casting votes on the issues.
We should applaud them for their efforts so far and hope a spirit of bipartisan effort can continue. But as we know their efforts will be fought from both sides all too willing to ask why instead of why not.
As for your representative, as I am not inclined to agree with him as this appears to apply more to those already here and to slow the importation of more without documentation.
Thus those here already have those jobs he speaks of. This bill would reduce the risk of future competition willing to do the job at a lower wage or unwilling but far more likely to be subject of abuses in the workplace. Both monetary and otherwise.
However if it is a concern he has it should be one that is listened to and debated.
Morality?
January 29th, 2013
12:43 pm
At Bush stayed at his own place and e didn’t have to foot the bill for rent……. Clinton took over 100 of his best friends with him when he went to China for a month and you got to pay for it.
TBS
January 29th, 2013
12:43 pm
Stevie Ray
So that’s why you are walking around with a black eye…….
j/k
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 29th, 2013
12:43 pm
We need to keep politics out of gun ownership.
Agreed and the NRA ( which are just lobbyist for the Gun Industry ) should keep out of it.
getalife
January 29th, 2013
12:44 pm
lil stevie is back to the ole reliable con outrage of the teleprompter.
indigo
January 29th, 2013
12:44 pm
Joe Husseim Mama – 12:22
But..but..but…but..but we are supposed to be the “leader of the free world” and set shining examples for others.
Shouldn’t their immigration laws be like ours?
the cat
January 29th, 2013
12:44 pm
WSB radio is now the laughingstock of Atlanta with Cain, Hannity, Rush on there now.
Paul
January 29th, 2013
12:45 pm
Morality?
” My concern is that the Dem led Fed gub’ment will DECIDE who has a right to buy a gun based on their political views. We need to keep politics out of gun ownership.”
You saying extreme conservative Republicans can be viewed as mentally ill?
getalife’s already answered that one.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 29th, 2013
12:45 pm
Apple Maps is truly a KILLER app?
the cat
January 29th, 2013
12:46 pm
Morality-remind me, did Bush fly his own plane every time he went to Texas for a drink fest?
TiredOfIt
January 29th, 2013
12:47 pm
td
January 29th, 2013
10:31 am
Marco Rubio will be on the Rush show this afternoon trying to sell this proposal to Rush and his 30 million listeners. If he can pull this off and stand to the principles he sets out then he has a great chance of becoming the next President.
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To much of a mommy’s boy
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
January 29th, 2013
12:47 pm
stands: “Mr. Bush has made 77 visits to his ranch in Crawford during his presidency, and spent all or part of 490 days there.”
Just in case anyone else was wondering.
What does that have to do with anything? You don’t think the President flying all the way across the country to deliver a 1/2 hour speech is wasteful? And if you are not concerned about the taxpayers’ dime, just think of the carbon emissions from flying the Prez and all his stuff across the country. I wonder how many Volts we have to buy to balance it out.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 29th, 2013
12:47 pm
indigo — “But..but..but…but..but we are supposed to be the “leader of the free world” and set shining examples for others. Shouldn’t their immigration laws be like ours?”
Isn’t it a conservative shibboleth that we don’t *care* ‘how they do things overseas?’
Stevie Ray
January 29th, 2013
12:48 pm
TBS
January 29th, 2013
12:43 pm
It ain’t easy being me….glad it was a first in-first out event. I got out before things went nuts..
Granny Godzilla
January 29th, 2013
12:48 pm
td
January 29th, 2013
12:30 pm
It appears that not even the LMS believes Obama is shooting skeet at Camp David. I think he has just been busted in a lie.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/28/dubious-congresswoman-challenges-obama-to-skeet-shooting-match/
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Nonsense…
the article is about Ms Blackburns challenge.
the President could agree to the match and concede her superior markmanship,
then see if she can hit the 3 pointer.
stands for decibels
January 29th, 2013
12:49 pm
What’s Bush got to do with this?
Oh, nothing much. Aside from providing an example of how the last Administration rolled. And, that picture on Jay’s post. And, my recollections of Scout never saying “boo” about such things during the last Administration (yes, I’ve been around here that long, God help me.)
BO has made 699 teleprompted speeches..
I bet many of those speeches were written on a computer.
Paul
January 29th, 2013
12:50 pm
Stevie Ray
‘The other three sexual participants got out of Dodge before police arrived.”
I liked that line -
Morality?
January 29th, 2013
12:50 pm
Aqua – I thought that Canada had that policy but wasn’t sure – as for Mexico – I don’t think they get many crossing in to Mexico to have babies any way. Dumb policy in my opinion.
getalife
January 29th, 2013
12:50 pm
There is a talking gps app on the iphone for free.
Jay
January 29th, 2013
12:51 pm
That’s quite a post, Lance. “Only” 38 Republicans supported the bill-killing filibuster, and they were joined by 15 Democrats, which of course means it was the Democrats’ fault?
Do I have that logic right?
Likewise, the fact that 34 Democrats voted to end the filibuster, joined by “only” 11 Republicans, no doubt further cements your argument that the Democrats are to blame, correct?
This GOP math is amazing.
stands for decibels
January 29th, 2013
12:51 pm
You don’t think the President flying all the way across the country to deliver a 1/2 hour speech is wasteful?
It’s gonna keep me up nights, I’m sure. Oh the humanity and all of the passengers.
(I’m assuming that Scout’s reporting is accurate, by the way, which is never a very smart thing to do, but to look it up would be to unduly dignify this bit dog-whistling about the way that uppity half-Negro President’s livin’ it up.)
ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT
January 29th, 2013
12:52 pm
Amnesty! we dont want no stinkin amnesty….LOL
GT
January 29th, 2013
12:52 pm
Conservatives do not oppose immigration. They oppose Illegal immigration. Either we are a nations of laws or we are a lawless nation.
You oppose anything that is not you, which is your weakness. That is the reason you can’t compromise, you think you are the chosen people and the rest of us are your lap dogs. Then when you realize you have insulted about 60% of America with your ignorance you want to be misunderstood.
As for a country of laws, you sponsor about every law you can to put someone in jail that is getting in your way, the prisons are over crowded with your movements. You use the law for your own bidding. No Wall Street guy goes to jail yet they totally nuked this country’s economic system, left millions homeless and made billions doing it, but you take one little man crossing the desert at risk of his life mostly for your entertainment and sorry taste for cruelty and you declare war. You are very strange people who love cruelty, are very selfish, mean as snakes and now think there is no judgment day for you actions. Good luck with that old friend, you keep this stupidity up and you will be the one outside looking in.
stands for decibels
January 29th, 2013
12:52 pm
Apple Maps is truly a KILLER app?
Ok, I’ll admit, TMML.
Stevie Ray
January 29th, 2013
12:52 pm
godless heathen – owner of many things he does not need
January 29th, 2013
12:47 pm
As logic would have it, the idea of justifying anything president trillions does with the preceding dope suggests the LIBS want to keep the bar exceptionally low. As mentioned, after this second term, Obama’s legacy will contain a Bush comparison for everything he did…
Perhaps if the standard of comparison was Bill Clinton……naw, that may make BO’s Nobel look even more undeserved…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
January 29th, 2013
12:52 pm
Jay:
Why didn’t the president take MARTA to Las Vegas ?
barking frog
January 29th, 2013
12:52 pm
getalife
There is a talking gps app on the iphone for free
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metro pcs has it but you only get it in premium service…
ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT
January 29th, 2013
12:53 pm
GOP the AMIGO party….
Tealiban Party
January 29th, 2013
12:53 pm
The other half of your brain.
January 29th, 2013
11:01 am
Reggie, I didn’t make anything up, the man was a drug dealer, I guess you libs love them and want to help them out. That’s your choice.
I guess you good God-fearing GOP Christians skipped the Mary Magdalene portion of the bible.
Stevie Ray
January 29th, 2013
12:53 pm
Paul
January 29th, 2013
12:50 pm
I out ran them all….
Granny Godzilla
January 29th, 2013
12:54 pm
“You don’t think the President flying all the way across the country to deliver a 1/2 hour speech is wasteful?”
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Will it be effective? Will we get immigration reform? Will it extend to same sex couples?
If the job gets done, then no I don’t consider it a waste.
CDB
getalife
January 29th, 2013
12:54 pm
scout,
Tacist.
frog,
Metro pcs is for metrosexuals.
ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT
January 29th, 2013
12:55 pm
GOPers love cheap labor.
getalife
January 29th, 2013
12:55 pm
Opps Racist.
Aquagirl
January 29th, 2013
12:55 pm
Dumb policy in my opinion
Are you calling Canadians dumb? You better take that back before they invade.
Vet
January 29th, 2013
12:57 pm
Illegals have more rights than unborn children !
barking frog
January 29th, 2013
12:57 pm
getalife
Metro pcs is for metrosexuals.
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metrosexuals do it for less money….
Lance from Carrollton
January 29th, 2013
12:57 pm
Democrats had the advantaqge in the Senate and the House at the time. The bill was not heavily supported by Republicans. Even with that being the case the bill would have made it out of the Senate without Democrats dying for Bush to fail. My math was dead on; my point is that the Democrats at that time were using the same tactics that you now bemoan the Republicans use. The bill was a way of reaching across the aisle, something that Bush rarely did and got credit for when he did it.
ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT
January 29th, 2013
12:57 pm
Whats next GOP for planned parenthood?
Jay
January 29th, 2013
12:58 pm
“What does that have to do with anything? You don’t think the President flying all the way across the country to deliver a 1/2 hour speech is wasteful?”
I’m sure you made the same argument when GW Bush flew back to Washington from Crawford to sign the shameful Terri Schiavo bill, then turned around and flew back to Crawford. He could have stayed in Crawford and signed it there, but no, he wanted a starring role in that absurd morality play.
I’m sure you were all over him for that one, right?
jconservative
January 29th, 2013
12:58 pm
Republicans can do nothing, and leave everything the way it has been for the past 27 years, do a little something to try and fool the Latino population or actually fix the problem. I predict they will do nothing.
Stevie Ray
January 29th, 2013
12:58 pm
Given all the politics driven by who will spend the most of our cash for more vote…any outcome will likely be as successful as that hideous gun control posture of BO’s. Politically, they were quick to make the kids on stage yet nothing in the bill will actually protect the kids from bad guys getting in their schools.
The question is who is going to get screwed this time around..
Morality?
January 29th, 2013
12:58 pm
Paul – INSANITY does not have a party…. just going by the old definition that says doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting different results is INSANITY. For decades Congress has been growing the Fed gub’ment and their SOCIALIST social programs with out funding them and thus growing the Fed debt. Like his predecessor, Obama continues the tradition. CONGRESS appears to be hooked on spending beyond our means – they can’t stop or even slow down. They are INSANE.
ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT
January 29th, 2013
1:00 pm
TEA Party for affirmative action? Holy Jalapeno Batman..
Paul
January 29th, 2013
1:02 pm
Stevie Ray
“I out ran them all….”
Consequences of not sharing?
Freeloader….
Stevie Ray
January 29th, 2013
1:02 pm
Jay
January 29th, 2013
12:58 pm
You realize every time you justify idiotic acts of our president or his posse, it is like justifying your errors with those of a columnist for Mad magazine..
Do those idiotic comparisons make you feel better about waste? I guess it is important for you to have Bush to blame for whatever shortcomings your hero may encounter. Great metric for you I guess. Pretty thin IMO.
getalife
January 29th, 2013
1:03 pm
I predict it will pass to try to get some Latino votes in the next election.
Stevie Ray
January 29th, 2013
1:04 pm
Paul
January 29th, 2013
1:02 pm
Damn right…they didn’t know til I departed that I came solo.
I didn’t even stay long enough to get sunburned like the dude in the picture.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
January 29th, 2013
1:04 pm
“I’m sure you were all over him for that one, right?”
Just like you are all over Obama for this one !
Paul
January 29th, 2013
1:05 pm
Vet
And illegals have more rights than nonconceived children, too!!!
stands for decibels
January 29th, 2013
1:05 pm
Will it be effective? Will we get immigration reform? Will it extend to same sex couples?
If the job gets done, then no I don’t consider it a waste.
Is it just me, or would we be hearing a peep out of the usual suspects if this were a speech being delivered in, say, Louisville or Lubbock? Probably not.
But “Las Vegas” sounds all junket-ish, I guess, so they’ll run that one up the ol’ flagpole and see if anyone’s dumb enough to salute.
getalife
January 29th, 2013
1:06 pm
The best way to ruin a orgy is to break out a camera.
Morality?
January 29th, 2013
1:06 pm
WASTEFUL SPENDING – what th’ is wasteful spending? It’s in the EYE of whatever PARTY is in office. We have about $16,000,000,000,000 + of wasteful spending on the books now. What’s a few more billion!
Stevie Ray
January 29th, 2013
1:06 pm
Granny Godzilla
January 29th, 2013
12:54 pm
If the job got done anytime your hero spoke, he would have accomplished more material things than any of his predecessors. given the 699 teleprompted speeches he has given….
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
January 29th, 2013
1:07 pm
“Laurel”, Maryland would have saved a lot of money …………. millions !
There are some illegals there too !
Regnad Kcin
January 29th, 2013
1:07 pm
” My concern is that the Dem led Fed gub’ment will DECIDE who has a right to buy a gun based on their political views.”
That statement tells us more about YOU than about anything happening in REALITY.
indigo
January 29th, 2013
1:08 pm
Joe Hussein Mama – 12:47
Things conservative politicians care about:
1. getting elected
2. getting re-elected
3. using the office to enrich their personal estates
Jay
January 29th, 2013
1:08 pm
Stevie Ray, the only thing idiotic is complaining because the president of the United States dares to get outside the Beltway and actually talk to the people whom he was elected to lead.
THAT is idiotic. Spare me your tedious condescension.
Marty Huggins'
January 29th, 2013
1:08 pm
Granny Godzilla
January 29th, 2013
12:54 pm
There are democrat members of the Hispanic caucus urging him not to deliver his plan today at the speech for fear it would HARM the chances of the bipartisan effort on the delicate issue.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/28/sources-congressional-hispanic-caucus-members-urged-obama-not-to-unveil-immigration-bill/comment-page-1/
Jack ®
January 29th, 2013
1:08 pm
Legalize the illegals. We can always figure out a way to put them on welfare later. All those in favor of more welfare can easily have an amount deducted from their paychecks to go directly to the fund: that’s the only way to be fair, according to Obama.
TBS
January 29th, 2013
1:09 pm
Stevie
That metric could be pretty thin as you say, after all it was Bush. But isn’t hypocritical for you or whomever to not have complained then but whine about Obama now?
You may not have voted for Bush, but for those who did and didn’t say anything, but now feign outrage is amusing.
Sort of like you complaining about Obama and his teleprompeter. Reagan used one, Bush (I know it pisses you off to being up Bush so I will) used large queue cards.
You and others do go after Obama for legitimate issues, but teleprompters and where he is making a speech? I can only hope you stretched before making that reach.
Morality?
January 29th, 2013
1:09 pm
So you want to extend illegal immigration reform to “same sex” couples? UHhhhhhhh – where did that come from?
getalife
January 29th, 2013
1:10 pm
” given the 699 teleprompted speeches he has given….”
There you go again.
Morality?
January 29th, 2013
1:10 pm
Why don’t we just make it legal to marry anything breathing and get it over with so we can deal with the Fed debt and the FISCAL CLIFF? I can see it now = survival rights for FLUFFY.
getalife
January 29th, 2013
1:11 pm
Perhaps you cons should work on stop being “stupid” like rove said.
Stevie Ray
January 29th, 2013
1:12 pm
Morality?
January 29th, 2013
1:06 pm
Amen brother! Good news is that the governing party has convinced themselves that no amount of borrowing or spending is a problem…it is all good!
Both parties of course guilty but BO has odds in his favor to go down as worst fiscal president in history…everyone knows that no amount of debt is too much…we have much more important things to deal with like the dangers of football, post office re-naming, and which country we will bring hellfire and damnation from above so they give in to our brand of screwing things up next..
I do support BO’s position regarding staying out of further crap in the ME in terms of our troops…kudos where kudos are due.
I still don’t understand exactly what our “interests” are over there to warrant a single US life..
Peadawg
January 29th, 2013
1:13 pm
Things politicians care about:
Fixed your typo, indigo. No thanks needed.
Morality?
January 29th, 2013
1:13 pm
Now – that you have played the SAME SEX card can we now get to the subject at hand – ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION…….. Fluffy my sweet – come here!
DannyX
January 29th, 2013
1:14 pm
“So you want to extend illegal immigration reform to “same sex” couples?”
Sure, why not?
Look before I leap...
January 29th, 2013
1:14 pm
“Why don’t we just make it legal to marry anything breathing…”
And some folks wonder why it gets harder and harder to take the conservative viewpoint seriously.
southpaw
January 29th, 2013
1:16 pm
Morality @1:10
How dare you try to impose a “breathing” requirement! People are supposed to be able to marry what they WANT to marry!
getalife
January 29th, 2013
1:17 pm
“And some folks wonder why it gets harder and harder to take the conservative viewpoint seriously.”
That ship sailed a long time ago with the birthers.
RB from Gwinnett
January 29th, 2013
1:17 pm
“Stevie Ray, the only thing idiotic is complaining because the president of the United States dares to get outside the Beltway and actually talk to the people whom he was elected to lead.”
Gee, Jay, do you get a tingling feeling up your leg when you write that crap? Might be a good idea for you to occasionally pull your head out and check the view.
Mick
January 29th, 2013
1:17 pm
If anyone needed a teleprompter none more than the previous president who could barely string together two coherent sentences…
Granny Godzilla
January 29th, 2013
1:18 pm
Stevie Ray
January 29th, 2013
1:06 pm
Granny Godzilla
January 29th, 2013
12:54 pm
If the job got done anytime your hero spoke, he would have accomplished more material things than any of his predecessors. given the 699 teleprompted speeches he has given….
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My hero in John XXIII FYI.
That said…really teleprompter? That’s all you have left in your quiver?
tee hee hee
Stevie Ray
January 29th, 2013
1:18 pm
TBS
January 29th, 2013
1:09 pm
I agree with second thought you submitted…I do have fun with the tele-prompter and the sheer number of times he speaks in public without saying much.
I don’t think anyone who voted for Bush prior election is de facto hypocritical if they voted for Bush. Just because Bush did stupid things, doesn’t mean it is like existing case law or something. People who voted for BO, I hope, were expecting a higher standard of performance.
Jm
January 29th, 2013
1:19 pm
Flights on Air Force 1 are insanely wasteful
Flying one person on a 747 is practically and environmentally insane
Even assuming that that person is the prez
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
January 29th, 2013
1:19 pm
Will it be effective? Will we get immigration reform? Will it extend to same sex couples?
If the job gets done, then no I don’t consider it a waste.
99.9999% of the people that hear what the President has to say will do so on the TV. What diff does it make where he is standing when he makes the speech.
I’m sure you made the same argument when GW Bush flew back to Washington from Crawford to sign the shameful Terri Schiavo bill, then turned around and flew back to Crawford. He could have stayed in Crawford and signed it there, but no, he wanted a starring role in that absurd morality play.
I’m sure you were all over him for that one, right?
I don’t think we were blogging in those days, but I didn’t think that any pols had any business meddling in that case. And as pointed out above, you guys sure set a low standard for the President by always holding him up to the standards of GW Bush, who you despise.
So with the caveat that Scout’s report is accurate, most of you Obamanauts are on record that flying 2 747s across the country to deliver a speech is ok with you, because Bush did it too.
barking frog
January 29th, 2013
1:19 pm
Chefs marry flavors without regard and the concoctions are
accepted, why the problems with people ?
Jm
January 29th, 2013
1:20 pm
I wonder if they bill the press corps for their seats
I hope so
Erwin's cat
January 29th, 2013
1:20 pm
Stevie Ray, the only thing idiotic is complaining because the president of the United States dares to get outside the Beltway and actually talk to the people whom he was elected to lead.”
I lol’d
getalife
January 29th, 2013
1:21 pm
Actually, w tried to pay back the Latinos for their votes like our President is trying to do.
Even w was smart enough to know he would lose without them.
cons have not grabbed that reality yet.
Jm
January 29th, 2013
1:21 pm
Tell Obama to drive a volt to Vegas
Not Blind
January 29th, 2013
1:22 pm
Chew on these ‘political realities’..
http://www.vdare.com/articles/birthright-citizenship-aka-jus-soli-and-the-cheating-of-america
RB from Gwinnett
January 29th, 2013
1:22 pm
What are you liberals going to do when the illegals no longer have to work under the radar and start taking all the jobs the “less fortunate” are willing to do because the work is easier? Are you finally going to tell them to shut up and do the only work their education and work ethic qualify them to do or are you going to come back begging for more welfare cookies to support them too?
DannyX
January 29th, 2013
1:24 pm
747’s, teleprompters…
Whats next? Birth certificates, flag pins and fist bumps?
TBS
January 29th, 2013
1:24 pm
Stevie
Don’t play word smith and twist my words. If things as taking trips for political purposes was not worth mentioning when Bush was in office, why cry now? That was my point and it is hypocritical. Any vote for Bush in itself was not hypocritical (not did I say that), but some of the very things his voters were silent on, but now feign outrage is indeed hypocritical.
Morality?
January 29th, 2013
1:24 pm
Indigo 1:08 – And you can’t honestly say that those on the left ALSO aren’t interested in getting elected, staying elected and enriching themselves. For example – exhibit #1 Obama – came in to office wealthy but not a millionaire – since arriving in D.C. he has now enriched himself enough to be in the dreaded 1%. That is why I call BOTH sides PARTY LOYALISTS. That means PARTY 1st and the FISCAL future of the USA be damned. I advocate a 3rd PARTY that will be PARTY for the FISCAL future of the USA FIRST and always. TERM LIMITS for Congress to rid us of these inbred PARTY LOYALISTS.
stands for decibels
January 29th, 2013
1:24 pm
Flying one person on a 747 is practically and environmentally insane
Al Gore is fat.
td
January 29th, 2013
1:24 pm
Jay
January 29th, 2013
12:58 pm
“What does that have to do with anything? You don’t think the President flying all the way across the country to deliver a 1/2 hour speech is wasteful?”
I’m sure you made the same argument when GW Bush flew back to Washington from Crawford to sign the shameful Terri Schiavo bill, then turned around and flew back to Crawford. He could have stayed in Crawford and signed it there, but no, he wanted a starring role in that absurd morality play.
I’m sure you were all over him for that one, right?
I will say right now that it was wrong for GWB to do this. Now will you say that it is wrong for Obama to fly to LV to make a 30 minute speech? I am betting not.
getalife
January 29th, 2013
1:24 pm
Due to the lack of leaders to take the daily abuse, I think there should be more perks for the office of President.
We have a leader shortage in this country after Obama and Clinton are gone.
Stevie Ray
January 29th, 2013
1:24 pm
Jay
January 29th, 2013
1:08 pm
Seriously Jay, nice attempt to move the posts. How you got from the Bush Barometer and the logic idoiocy of same to me suggesting it is not good for the pres to get out amongst the voters is more than simply disingenuous.
You know my point and decided to avoid it totally. So you concede the point about the idiotic logic of such a low bar BUSH for you to lean on when logical arguments elude you?
One of your worst come backs ever….where did i ever say it is wrong for a president to get out amongst the masses?