Why does GOP have an image as party of white males?
Maybe this could help explain it.
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, here’s what Georgia looks like, broken down demographically:
Male, 48.9 percent
Female, 51.1 percent
White non-Hispanic, 55.5 percent
Black, 31 percent
Hispanic or Latino, 9.1 percent
Asian, 3.4 percent
Under age 40: 56.7 percent
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Here is what the Georgia Senate’s Republican majority caucus looks like:
This post began a few weeks ago, when I noticed that the Senate had named only one woman, Renee Unterman, as a committee chair in 2013. I immediately realized why that might be: Unterman is the sole Republican woman in the 56-seat chamber.
The gender numbers are a little better in the Georgia House, where 17 of 117 Republicans are women. But if that’s your bragging point …
– Jay Bookman
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josef
January 28th, 2013
5:46 pm
FRED
Got it….
barking frog
January 28th, 2013
5:46 pm
Paul
I started to go down that road with Towncrier but decided against due to
it being unlikely to accomplish much, but i’m glad you tried. Allowing the
desire to control someone else to guide you to a political party is not
likely to be easily overcome.
Oppressed Suth'ner
January 28th, 2013
5:46 pm
What’s my zip code? You have permission to share it.
Fred ™
January 28th, 2013
5:47 pm
Hey Thomas, don’t think I’ve seen you since the election………
clem
January 28th, 2013
5:47 pm
well the stupid party extends to females too…take marsha blackburn, please.
josef
January 28th, 2013
5:48 pm
Oppressed
30342?
UGA ECONOMICS MAJOR
January 28th, 2013
5:48 pm
GEORGIA…ALABAMA AND,MISSISSIPP,S NEW SISTER
The other half of your brain.
January 28th, 2013
5:48 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
January 28th, 2013
5:14 pm
T. O. Half — “Then they should join the party and change it.”
Why? Why do they owe the GOP that service?
I hate Olive Garden. By your logic, I should obtain a job there and move up through the corporate ranks so that I can eventually succeed to a position where I can make sweeping changes to the menu.
If your product isn’t drawing customers, then either fix your product yourself or go out of business. It’s really quite simple.
Joe, I agree, I just don’t understand why all the liberals are upset. If your happy with your party fine, why bash the other guy?
I realize that Jay is a left wingnut, but to continually harp on the right is a little lame. If Jay wants to change the party then he should join them, throwing rocks won’t win anything, it may make him feel big about himself but he seems small to me.
Oppressed Suth'ner
January 28th, 2013
5:48 pm
“Everyone probably has to excuse me, I just got out of that foxhole with Hillary!!”
Ewwwww.
Fred ™
January 28th, 2013
5:49 pm
Oppressed Suth’ner
January 28th, 2013
5:46 pm
What’s my zip code? You have permission to share it.
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If you aren’t doomy then I don’t know. I’m not running that program right now.
Oppressed Suth'ner
January 28th, 2013
5:49 pm
josef – close but no cigar. Same state though.
Skip
January 28th, 2013
5:49 pm
Jay photoshopped the picture, the party of Real America is at least half black.
Aquagirl
January 28th, 2013
5:50 pm
I think they are rightly called dogs. And I am all for making them partly responsible for causing pregnancies, however it might be done.
Uh-huh. And it’s not your fault you haven’t figured that out yet, or even addressed the issue, because those slutty hoors of Babylon haven’t been corralled yet. First things first!
This is like all those “pro-marriage” folk who deplore divorce, but are never quite arsed enough to do anything about it. Bashing teh gayz is such hard work, after all, there’s no time left for the heterosexuals thumbing their nose at Jesus.
Grob Hahn
January 28th, 2013
5:50 pm
So far all of the non-white republicans we have seen in recent years have been subjected to all kinds of purely racist reactions from fellow non-whites. They are called traitors, Toms, House N*****s and slaves. Their lives and the lives of their families are threatened. Are we supposed to think this is reasonable behavior? At this rate we’ll have congressional duels again.
Grobbbbbbbb
josef
January 28th, 2013
5:51 pm
UGA ECONOMICS MAJOR
Oh, please,,,can’t you do better than that?
OPPRESSED
Is it 303— ?
F. Sinkwich
January 28th, 2013
5:53 pm
I am so ashamed of being a white guy now…
I’m no longer an American who counts for anything.
*sob*
*blubber*
Oppressed Suth'ner
January 28th, 2013
5:53 pm
Josef – no. I haint no Atlantern.
Paul
January 28th, 2013
5:53 pm
Towncrier
Nothing personal in all that, although I do know I tend to get a bit snarky at times. I do tend to engage bloggers who make statements as you do because I’m really interested in distilling what their real (not sound bite) views are and what they want to do with them. It’s usually an extremely difficult proposition to get them to clearly state what they think and why. Getting clarification is doubly difficult.
So far it seems a few just don’t like abortion but are willing to live with the law, some seem to want to make it more and more difficult for women, many proposals want to make it more difficult because the woman’s reasons are objectionable (but the bloggers don’t have any ideas how to legislate that), some take the ‘it’s life at conception’ basis and think their personal or religious views ought to be a good enough reason to legislate what women can do; many will allow for exceptions but won’t recognize how those fit into current law timelines, and finally, I’ve not found one who takes a consistent position based on the sanctity of life. Not…. one……
But I’ll keep looking and asking. I think it could be an interesting discussion.
Brosephus™
January 28th, 2013
5:54 pm
Paul
The trip was cool, and I’m back at 100%. I’ll pop in from time to time, but I can’t deal with the ignorance here too much.
Oppressed Suth'ner
January 28th, 2013
5:54 pm
Josef – you a 303-er?
Joe Hussein Mama
January 28th, 2013
5:54 pm
T. O. Half — “Joe, I agree, I just don’t understand why all the liberals are upset. If your happy with your party fine, why bash the other guy?”
It’s a fair question, but why are you asking it of only one side?
“I realize that Jay is a left wingnut, but to continually harp on the right is a little lame. If Jay wants to change the party then he should join them, throwing rocks won’t win anything, it may make him feel big about himself but he seems small to me.”
So when your favorite team’s having a good year, you never slag on the small fry? Really?
josef
January 28th, 2013
5:56 pm
Oppressed
Yep.
The other half of your brain.
January 28th, 2013
5:57 pm
I wonder why Jay didn’t show any pictures of who runs the N.A.A.C.P.? or the Black Panthers or any of the other dozens of organizations that are owned or run by Blacks.
Jay the MasterBaiter, thanks Stands.
Oppressed Suth'ner
January 28th, 2013
5:57 pm
Josef – too many peeps, too much traffic.
Krystal'sBalls
January 28th, 2013
5:58 pm
I know @Class of 98
It’s pretty damn tough to be proud of LOL.
You are doing a great job trying to even convince yourself and rationalize in your own mind that an entire people actually WANTED to be nuked in order to try to find pride in THAT invention of the White man. Next you’ll try to convince us what a great time the Jews were having in the concentration camps -ALSO an ” invention” of the “White man”. Rebuttal?
Paul
January 28th, 2013
5:58 pm
barking frog
Yeah, I think there’s more of an smidgen of a desire to exert control in that regards…
Brosephus
I’ve been thinking about that. There’s something about a blog environment that engenders a snarky attitude rather than a discussion attitude. Maybe it’s because so many who get asked or challenged on a view or position go ballistically personal when they can’t come up with a rational reply and then it all goes downhill from there.
Let’s look at it as a challenge to refine patience, okay?
Thomas
January 28th, 2013
5:59 pm
ohh- what a motley crew- haven’t seen so much white since the cover of the 1983 Mormon Tabernacle Choir album.
Towncrier
January 28th, 2013
5:59 pm
“So if I take the time to find previous posts where that was my stated position (once directly in response to a question from YOU), will you publicly admit you are NOW behaving stupidly? Say yes and I will locate the post.”
Why don’t you stop deflecting and answer the question posed to you here? Who do you think you are fooling, anyway?
“So my take away from all this is, you’re not in favor of abortion. Except when you think it’s okay. But even then, you still don’t like it. Because it’s not about the sanctity of life (else you’d have made a completely different argument) but about the reasons how the woman got pregnant.Or if she got ill. But you don’t like it that women can decide on their own. Because their reasons for ending the pregnancy might not be good ones. Yeah, I think I understand it.”
You evidently do not. I am not in favor of people suffering consequences for actions or circumstances they did not choose. That is just common sense (a rare commodity for a liberal, I know). You, on the other hand (your professions of faith to the contrary), seem to think it is alright in the sight of God to 1) first CHOOSE to have intercourse with someone of the opposite sex outside of marriage and 2) to compound the sin by terminating the life of the resultant child via an abortion. Furthermore, you fail to grasp the clear Biblical fact that the taking of life is not always a sin, but that it may be justified in some circumstances.
I personally know a woman who was estranged from her husband after two years of marriage for his repeated infidelity, but pregnant with his second child. Overwhelmed at the prospect of being single with a second child she could not see how she could support, she went into a church and prayed in anguish to God. She had a miscarriage the very next day.
Gail
January 28th, 2013
6:00 pm
My guess is that they reflect the demographics of their districts. You shouldn’t compare the makeup of a whole state with the makeup of the representatives of one party. Also, how many women have run but not gotten elected in the State Republican party? I don’t l know the answer but if they don’t run you can’t elect them. Maybe women are just smarter than men, and don’t want any part of all the craziness that goes on in the state and federal governments. I know I don’t. Honestly, I just sit here and think “what idiots!”
Dharma Bum
January 28th, 2013
6:00 pm
Reducing people to skin color… how thought-provoking!
Fred ™
January 28th, 2013
6:00 pm
The other half of your brain.
January 28th, 2013
5:57 pm
I wonder why Jay didn’t show any pictures of who runs the N.A.A.C.P.? or the Black Panthers or any of the other dozens of organizations that are owned or run by Blacks.
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And this guy thinks he just said something intelligent and pertinent to the subject at hand. See what a steady diet of FOX and talk radio does to you?
Dude, learn some logic. Here:
https://www.coursera.org/course/intrologic
The other half of your brain.
January 28th, 2013
6:01 pm
So when your favorite team’s having a good year, you never slag on the small fry? Really?
Nope! I’m happy that they were on top, I don’t need to belittle them. You will not find any posts of me slamming Obama, I have voted for as many Dems as I have repubs. I honestly try to be an independent, that probably comes from all the years that I was in the unions.
Oppressed Suth'ner
January 28th, 2013
6:01 pm
Paul – I’ll agree with your remark on patience. I think sometimes people get angry really quickly, and then they can’t really think of all those wonderful points they had in their heads. Then it goes down hill from there.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 28th, 2013
6:02 pm
T. O. Half — “I wonder why Jay didn’t show any pictures of who runs the N.A.A.C.P.? or the Black Panthers or any of the other dozens of organizations that are owned or run by Blacks.”
Surely you’re not suggesting that the GOP is owned and run by whites, are you?
The other half of your brain.
January 28th, 2013
6:03 pm
Fred, I only listen to music on Radio and rarely listen to any news as it’s mostly all crap, DUDE!
You must be young to use that phrase as much as you do, DUDE!
That Black Guy
January 28th, 2013
6:03 pm
Because when a black conservative shows up, the liberal media quickly labels him/her a GOP token? If the dems can’t own ‘em, they don’t want ‘em.
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Little bit of truth right there.
You should hear the names I was called when I used to self identify as a conservative or Republican
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
January 28th, 2013
6:04 pm
AJC: 2 men arrested for stealing chicken wings worth $60K
Now they were planning a helluva Super Bowl party.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 28th, 2013
6:04 pm
The other half of your brain. “I wonder why Jay didn’t show any pictures of who runs the N.A.A.C.P.? or the Black Panthers or any of the other dozens of organizations that are owned or run by Blacks.”
The two organizations don’t operate in some idealized space where the same rules apply to both. One is a direct arm of power in one of the nation’s largest states and the other is a social justice – civil rights organization that speaks for a specific group.
No comparison. So your objection – falls.
The other half of your brain.
January 28th, 2013
6:04 pm
Surely you’re not suggesting that the GOP is owned and run by whites, are you? :
Last time I checked it was open to anyone, even you.
Fred ™
January 28th, 2013
6:05 pm
The other half of your brain.
January 28th, 2013
6:03 pm
Fred, I only listen to music on Radio and rarely listen to any news as it’s mostly all crap, DUDE!
You must be young to use that phrase as much as you do, DUDE!
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Yup. 49 dude.
Jay
January 28th, 2013
6:05 pm
“I wonder why Jay didn’t show any pictures of who runs the N.A.A.C.P.? or the Black Panthers or any of the other dozens of organizations that are owned or run by Blacks.”
Interesting. Apparently, “other half” thinks of the Georgia Legislature as the counterpart of the NAACP or Black Panthers, in other words as an organization “owned or run by whites.”
i also find it telling that people got so defensive about race, when personally, I was most struck by the gender inequality reflected in the picture above.
Plain Truth
January 28th, 2013
6:05 pm
The best qualified people are elected regardless of race! Republicans are elected for their political views and nothing other than that. Liberals try to make everthing about race and seperations!
Oppressed Suth'ner
January 28th, 2013
6:05 pm
They musta been mighty hungry. Bellies would definitely be achin’ after that feast.
Aquagirl
January 28th, 2013
6:06 pm
she went into a church and prayed in anguish to God. She had a miscarriage the very next day.
If god finds it more sensible to terminate a pregnancy than to try and hold the sperm donor responsible, maybe you shouldn’t be so judgmental of women who do the same.
Paul
January 28th, 2013
6:07 pm
Towncrier
“Why don’t you stop deflecting and answer the question posed to you here? Who do you think you are fooling, anyway?”
Sigh…. I did, and I reposted it for you. Quoted your life of the mother exception, as a matter of fact…..
” You, on the other hand (your professions of faith to the contrary), seem to think it is alright in the sight of God”
I try not to put myself in the position of invoking what God thinks on modern social or political issues… You and I obviously have differing ideas of “God” or who speaks for Him…..
Rest of that paragraph, you seem to be using your interpretation of the Bible as a basis for legislation? Or are you not proposing any legislation or change to current law? Just stating what you don’t like? That’s a pretty critical distinction.
“Overwhelmed at the prospect of being single with a second child she could not see how she could support, she went into a church and prayed in anguish to God. She had a miscarriage the very next day.”
What’s the message there? That stress causes abortions? Or God killed a life to spare a woman a difficult circumstance? I’m not seeing the implied message.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 28th, 2013
6:07 pm
T. O. Half — “Nope! I’m happy that they were on top, I don’t need to belittle them. You will not find any posts of me slamming Obama, I have voted for as many Dems as I have repubs. I honestly try to be an independent, that probably comes from all the years that I was in the unions.”
Then perhaps you should encourage others to follow your example, rather than berating them for not doing so. More flies with honey than with vinegar and all that, you know.
That Black Guy
January 28th, 2013
6:08 pm
Jay
January 28th, 2013
3:53 pm
Seriously, people. An attitude of “That picture is an embarrassment and as Republicans, we have to do everything in our power to change it or we’ll be in deep political trouble” would be far more productive than the denials and excuse-making we’re seeing.
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Jay, if you get a minute, check out some of the links I posted yesterday, from repubs, that said just that.
Soothsayer
January 28th, 2013
6:09 pm
Jay, I think your post this morning was great! Just had a chance to read it because I’m getting a late start today. Again, great post!
josef
January 28th, 2013
6:09 pm
OPRESSED
There is that, but since I’m walking distance to work, shopping, etc. and it’s a calm, quiet neighborhood with an old neighborhood feeling, it’s no so much a problem for us…
TBS
January 28th, 2013
6:10 pm
TBG
Thanks for posting the link from the guy in LA. Good read.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
January 28th, 2013
6:10 pm
Off topic, but I gotta ask…What? They sent the Ayatollah?
http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20130128/ML.Iran.Space.Monkey/
Fred ™
January 28th, 2013
6:11 pm
TBG: Still waiting on SOMEONE (TBS hint hint) to send me your contact info.
Heathen: I saw that yesterday and for the life of me can’t figure out what in the HELL those guys were going to do with 10 PALLETS of chicken wings…………
Oppressed Suth'ner
January 28th, 2013
6:12 pm
Josef – that’s good. If you are situated in a convenient location to the things that are important to you, that can make a major difference in today’s world.
josef
January 28th, 2013
6:12 pm
IMAM
@ 6:05
So, you put more attention on plumbing than melanin content? That may be a good thing…but, then, you are an old, white man…
Welcome to the Occupation
January 28th, 2013
6:13 pm
To whichever einstein it was who said this: “That Black Guy: Because when a black conservative shows up, the liberal media quickly labels him/her a GOP token? ”
Uh, no, observers don’t call him a GOP token, but a token for the corporatist and 1% elite, except insofar as the former is merely a mouthpiece for the latter (which it is of course).
Having somebody with Herman Cain’s skin color and his story stand up and say “If you’re not rich, blame yourself” is useful to the 1% interests. No more, no less. It’s not that complicated dude.
Paul
January 28th, 2013
6:13 pm
Towncrier
Okay, I just gotta ask this. You wrote: “You, on the other hand (your professions of faith to the contrary), seem to think it is alright in the sight of God to 1) first CHOOSE to have intercourse with someone of the opposite sex outside of marriage and 2) to compound the sin by terminating the life of the resultant child via an abortion.”
So the reason God says no sex outside of marriage is because the woman might get pregnant? Is that it?
What if the woman’s, say, 65 or 70 and single? Is it still not a good thing? If so, why?
(now, I know you’ll assume by asking for clarification you assume I take a contrary view (you’ve already made that clear) but just try to stick to the question, okay? It’s one I’ve been wondering about for a while)
Jay
January 28th, 2013
6:13 pm
TBG, I know for a fact that a lot of Republicans react the way I described. They just don’t seem to be among those posting here, for the most part. In fact, the attitudes reflected here illustrate why change is going to be so hard for the GOP.
I also can’t resist commenting on those who have accused me of “self-hatred,” which I guess is a nicer way of saying “traitor to my race and gender.”
Wilbur
January 28th, 2013
6:15 pm
One reason they have an image as white males is that “journalists” like you, Jay, work so hard to keep it that way. Every woman or minority republican is attacked by mad dogs like you for being a traitor. It’s the democrats who don’t exist without race based voting and gender preference. But hey…you can’t see past your talking points anyway.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 28th, 2013
6:15 pm
Plain Truth: “The best qualified people are elected regardless of race! Republicans are elected for their political views and nothing other than that. Liberals try to make everthing about race and seperations!”
A statement of ground-rumbling stupidity for someone going under the moniker “Plain Truth”.
Wise up, bub.
Fred ™
January 28th, 2013
6:15 pm
Damn. Now I want chicken wings. I wonder if Kroger’s has any on sale this week for the game. They are AWESOME on the Green Egg.
Later peeps.
TBS
January 28th, 2013
6:16 pm
Fred
Give me a few minutes. Didn’t know I had an assignment. Guess I missed another one.
Brosephus™
January 28th, 2013
6:16 pm
I wonder why Jay didn’t show any pictures of who runs the N.A.A.C.P.? or the Black Panthers or any of the other dozens of organizations that are owned or run by Blacks.
What does the Georgia government have to do with any of the organizations owned or run by Blacks? If you want to be technical, the NAACP was actually founded by White people, not Blacks.
Oppressed Suth'ner
January 28th, 2013
6:18 pm
Nighty nite folks.
josef
January 28th, 2013
6:18 pm
OPPRESSED
Believe me…it does. Of course, when I retire, it’s back to the small town life…I’m still a country boy at heart…
bman.
January 28th, 2013
6:19 pm
” which I guess is a nicer way of saying “traitor to my race and gender.”
Were you not a white male, would you be where you are today? I think that’s a fair question. By the way, before you yell at me, you’re my favorite!
Towncrier
January 28th, 2013
6:19 pm
“Nothing personal in all that, although I do know I tend to get a bit snarky at times. I do tend to engage bloggers who make statements as you do because I’m really interested in distilling what their real (not sound bite) views are and what they want to do with them. It’s usually an extremely difficult proposition to get them to clearly state what they think and why. Getting clarification is doubly difficult.”
Fair enough. Please forgive my snarkiness as well. To me, logically and in the absence of absolute positions (any and all abortions or none at all), it all boils down to line drawing. While, if I were a woman, I might in faith believe that God does indeed work all things to the good for those that believe (as in Romans 8:28), I cannot expect others to have that same faith. So, where women have had no real choice in a causing their pregnancy or the dangerous medical complications that arise from one, I don’t think they can be compelled to continue with it. And I don’t suspect God holds them accountable for such a decision when they make it. The first child King David and Bathsheba had between them (the offspring of an adulterous affair) died. God said it would and it did. Was the child at fault? Of course not. Was it dying a cruel outcome? No. David himself says after it died, that he would “go to him” one day (presumably in heaven). It’s not that the death a of unborn child infant is necessarily wrong or evil – it depends upon the circumstances and the reasons for it. Aborting a child for no other reason than as a form of birth control is, I would argue, a great evil.
BTW, here is something for you to chew on, and something I had never before considered:
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/01/23/salon-yeah-abortion-takes-a-life-so-what/
And that is women vacillating between two logically contradictory positions on abortion or the definition of life or status of a fetus depending upon the pregnancy or how otherwise they felt at various times in their life:
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/01/23/salon-yeah-abortion-takes-a-life-so-what/
I think we can agree that how a woman “feels” is NO grounds for a logical position on this issue.
Oppressed Suth'ner
January 28th, 2013
6:19 pm
Fred, I bet there aint no wings left. Somebody stole ‘em all.
Krystal'sBalls
January 28th, 2013
6:19 pm
Hell..impresss ME and show me what the P.L.O. looks like..or GLAAD..or the Jewish League. How about LaRaza? I wonder who the hell they consist of? Wow..just WOW!Georgia Congressional delegation = Black Panthers.
Funny how they didn’t offer up KKK..
Brosephus™
January 28th, 2013
6:19 pm
Paul: Let’s look at it as a challenge to refine patience, okay?
I’d much rather look at it for what it truly is, a bunch of people putting their ignorance on full display under the guise of supposed anonymity.
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TBG
Forgot to tell you thanks for that Soul Train link. That one went to my fav’s list.
Dharma Bum
January 28th, 2013
6:20 pm
That’s the way Bookman! Reduce everyone to the color of their skin!
Jay
January 28th, 2013
6:21 pm
” Every woman or minority republican is attacked by mad dogs like you for being a traitor. It’s the democrats who don’t exist without race based voting and gender preference.
Wilbur, take another look at that photo, and tell me again who is defined by race-based voting and gender preference.
You’ve got one party that is a mixture of people of various races, with a strong if not equal gender mix, open to gay and straight, and another party that is pretty much homogenous. Yet it is the mixed party that is accused of “race based voting and gender preference”?
It makes no sense whatsoever.
That Black Guy
January 28th, 2013
6:21 pm
Granny Godzilla
January 28th, 2013
4:25 pm
btull27
January 28th, 2013
4:18 pm
Herman Cain 1st black president?
Right after Rand Paul, first aqua buddha president..
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Uncle Tom? Actually I don’t remember seeing that in any post BUT a conservative post.
Seriously. Y’all trot that ugly crap out and it came from the back of your own little minds.
Why is “Uncle Tom” the go to for conservatives? It’s like that man dog marriage thing I guess.
Or the Messiah garbage….
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I do. I also remember me, josef and some others calling the posters out on it.
I has happened here…
Thomas
January 28th, 2013
6:21 pm
” In fact, the attitudes reflected here illustrate why change is going to be so hard for the GOP.”
Folks/institutions don’t tend to change until they find their bottom. The Repubs are still in denial blaming the voters (kind of stupid) and secondly their bottoms may be a little nastier than others.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 28th, 2013
6:22 pm
Dharma Bum : “That’s the way Bookman! Reduce everyone to the color of their skin!”
Are you capable of even the slightest glimmer of something resembling a thought?
Thomas Heyward Jr
January 28th, 2013
6:23 pm
Those old heads are mostly old residual democrats.
Once those guys pass…..the republican party will probably get better and more reflective of Georgia’s demographics.
(georgia democrat lawyer/legislators are a vile bunch that takes years to flush out).
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In the interim………..there’s always the Libertarian party .
They judge NOT upon gender or race.
LJ
January 28th, 2013
6:23 pm
More Red vs Blue BS.
This is the kind of garbage that perpetuates the biggest issues with this nation.
If you see a real problem call it out, Jay. Call it out on both sides of the aisle. Rise above the fray and hold everyone accountable.
Show some real dignity and real conviction for something other than “my team is better than yours!”
Dharma Bum
January 28th, 2013
6:24 pm
Occupation… implying that different races are incapable of representing one another’s interests is completely facile and narrow-minded… enough for you?
Skip
January 28th, 2013
6:24 pm
Fred, $2.99 a pound. Cheaper to buy boneless/skinless and go all faux.
josef
January 28th, 2013
6:26 pm
KRYSTAL
What’s the Jewish League?
Dharma Bum
January 28th, 2013
6:26 pm
A black person, an asian person, a woman, etc. are just as capable of representing me as a white person… positions, not skin color, are of primary importance.
indigo
January 28th, 2013
6:27 pm
Towncrier – 5:59
I took great heart on seeing your post mention God.
Please furnish the testable proof you have that your God actually exists so I may, like you, be a true believer.
F. Sinkwich
January 28th, 2013
6:27 pm
Conservatism transcends race and gender. Always has and always will.
Are you lib ilks suggesting that only mature white males are interested in liberty, equality, prosperity, limited government, and the pursuit of happiness for all?
Towncrier
January 28th, 2013
6:28 pm
“So the reason God says no sex outside of marriage is because the woman might get pregnant? Is that it?”
I will be happy to answer this and any similar questions you might have, Paul, if you answer but one of mine first: do you profess to be a Christian and just what is your faith exactly? I mean, you honestly puzzle me. Your seeming ignorance of or disregard for the Bible stands, from my perspective, in stark contrast to the passion with which you argue someone like Paul had “sexual hangups”. To be honest, if I had the kind of loose thinking with respect to the Bible you seem to have, I would just toss it in the garbage. I mean, if it’s only partly true and it’s hard to know exactly where it is so, why should anyone read it (since it claims to be true)?
Welcome to the Occupation
January 28th, 2013
6:29 pm
Dharma Bum: “Occupation… implying that different races are incapable of representing one another’s interests is completely facile and narrow-minded”
Who ever claimed such a thing?
Paul
January 28th, 2013
6:29 pm
Towncrier 6:19
“Fair enough. Please forgive my snarkiness as well.”
Done.
That Salon piece – my personal, limited experience has been women who’ve had abortions do not treat it casually as many anti-abortionists claim. I’ve also found women who’ve had abortions who, when trying to get pregnant or having had a baby, have tempered their views.
As far as the ‘how a woman feels part” – not sure I understand the full ramifications of that. Which is pretty much why I’ve said I’m okay with current law -okay, as of a few years ago until states like mine began legislating for religious reasons – that sets guidelines by number of weeks and exceptions for later weeks and leaves it up to the woman without having her justify anything to anyone. I’ve even posted I can see updating Roe v Wade timelines based upon advances in medical technology over the last 40 years. I’ve also said it’s as much about attitude as anything, but it’s not my place to impose my attitude on anyone else.
Brosephus
Yeah, well, there is that….
And I’m going to have to punch out in a few to watch a granddaughter’s volleyball team smoke the other team, then it’s back to work.
josef
January 28th, 2013
6:31 pm
TBG
Well, you know me and you are Uncle Tom and Aunt Jemima!
TBS
January 28th, 2013
6:33 pm
“What’s the Jewish League?”
If not mistaken, they were Tel Aviv’s answer to the “Human League”………
They scored a minor hit, “I’m only Jewish”, in Israel back in the late 80s.
josef
January 28th, 2013
6:34 pm
TBS
That’s just TOOO funny!
Towncrier
January 28th, 2013
6:34 pm
“Please furnish the testable proof you have that your God actually exists so I may, like you, be a true believer.”
I refer you to Psalm 19 and Romans 1. Everyday you have life and encounter a universe that is both unbelievably complex and ordered, you are bring provided with concrete evidence of a creative intelligence. If you are fine with supposing that all of what we see is only the result of a great number of highly improbable happy accidents, then let me sell you a book on how to win the lottery every day of your life. Cash only, please.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
January 28th, 2013
6:37 pm
Well, would you look at that! Talk about discrimanation! Every one of the men in that picture seems to be wearing a tie or a suit coat. There ain’t a Redneck in the bunch! That dog won’t hunt. I don’t know about you but I demand they appoint 40% or so Rednecks to reflect the population in the state. And the ones smiling seem to have all their teeth to boot.
What else was Bookman griping about? Anyway, he can be sure I noticed this lack of Diversity.
Have a good night everybody.
Paul
January 28th, 2013
6:38 pm
Towncrier
“I will be happy to answer this and any similar questions you might have, Paul, if you answer but one of mine first: do you profess to be a Christian and just what is your faith exactly?”
I’d just as soon keep it on a topic level and fully understand you citing your interpretation of Christian thought, as that’s what my question was. I’ve said I’ve thought about it for a while, but I do have a view that makes intellectual sense to me (and I’ve read many who give their interpretation of a Biblically-based view, some of which I think is supported and some of which I think leaves the trunk and goes way out on the end branches) but I’m just looking for ideas I may not have encountered before.
But as I said, I’m going to have to leave in a bit but I will look up whatever gets posted.
As far as my view of the Bible, that’s a topic for another day. History, allegory, symbolic, metaphysical, contemporary practices couched in or validated as God’s commands… the whole way overall Christian dogma was set by essentially a majority vote at a conference that had heavy political overtones… why some views were accepted and some weren’t (Jesus as divine or Jesus as man became divine)… then the resultant interpretations that developed between East and West… then along comes the western Reformation.. and in the last couple hundred years along come American Protestants with some remarkable spins on things that are portrayed as truth that’s always been…. I’m just interested in it and understanding why some believe as they do.
TBS
January 28th, 2013
6:39 pm
josef
They have since migrated to the states. For the right price (couple bottles of cheap wine and a good burger) they still play at small clubs, birthday parties and Bar Mitzvahs.
Paul
January 28th, 2013
6:41 pm
indigo
“Please furnish the testable proof you have that your God actually exists so I may, like you, be a true believer.”
Stop being such a provocateur. You know full well no main religion teaches anything like ‘logically proven.’ In fact, many teach if that’s what you want you won’t find it. Ask the Dalai Lama.
Jay
January 28th, 2013
6:41 pm
“Are you lib ilks suggesting that only mature white males are interested in liberty, equality, prosperity, limited government, and the pursuit of happiness for all?”
Certainly not.
But the photos suggest that your particular version of those values might need a little tweaking. A lot of people apparently think that your vision on such matters is a little “narrow,” shall we say?
And if you want to claim that it’s all THEIR fault for thinking that way, well, so be it.
josef
January 28th, 2013
6:42 pm
TBS
Did you ever watch Rumpole of the Bailey? He was defending one of the Timsons, a clan of criminals, but good people with positive social values…his client was this time one of the younger ones making his first appearance in court or as Rumpole put it, his BAR mitzvah!
Bob
January 28th, 2013
6:43 pm
Why is it that whenever you talk about a group of people that are all white, it is automatically assumed that it is somehow bad? We’re constantly being told to be color blind but in order to be color blind there has to be the right percentage of cerain colors in the group? I guess to be totally colorblind the caucus should be White non-Hispanic, 55.5 percent, Black, 31 percent, Hispanic or Latino, 9.1 percent and Asian, 3.4 percent.
josef
January 28th, 2013
6:44 pm
PAUL
It’s Monday. Are we not Mormons, but Tibetan Buddhists today?
Joe Hussein Mama
January 28th, 2013
6:44 pm
Towncrier — “If you are fine with supposing that all of what we see is only the result of a great number of highly improbable happy accidents, then let me sell you a book on how to win the lottery every day of your life. Cash only, please.”
No need; your metaphysical persuasion has the bookselling business well wrapped up already.
TBS
January 28th, 2013
6:46 pm
josef
I have seen several episodes of that series. Good stuff.
Paul
January 28th, 2013
6:47 pm
Towncrier
One last point – my nervy statements on Paul’s sexual hangups are… well…. I think he had a few. Then the question is, is everything he wrote revelation from God or maybe his advice to certain groups or what? Or did he say “I know what I teach, I know the teachings I’ve embraced (no New Testament then) say marriage is preferred but it ain’t for me and I don’t want to go into it….” and we combine the two as being equal? Did culture influence his writing? Do we even interpret what he wrote in the way he meant it or do we think our English version captures the original intent? Or do we get hung up on English literalism and miss the entire, overarching points?
Anyhow, game’s gonna start
Pleasant evening, all -