GOP battle plan: If you can’t compete, cheat

Republicans are for taxation without representation.

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And is anyone in the least bit surprised?

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I personally cannot determine how low to put the bar for these Republicans.

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Wow. And AJC wonders why they continue to lose subscribers with articles like this that only add the one side “liberal” instead of listing all the facts from both sides.

Nebraska and Maine ALREADY have a similar system in place to split the electoral votes.
“Once upon a time, such a scheme would have been unthinkable. Once upon a time, no major political party would have dared to be associated with it, because the bald-faced thievery is too obvious. Even Nixon would be appalled at the shamelessness of it all.”
Already being done. Yet you try to paint the picture of this happening the first time to cause confusion to enrage your readers against the GOP.

The government is broken. The rebublicans AND the democrats must take responsibility. Articles like this that polarize readers with partial facts just to prove a point only make matters worse.
If you consider yourself an honest man, you should truly be ashamed.

Should you wonder why many people feel the media is on the left and why less and less people believe what they read anymore??

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Desperation is ugly…

If anything, this will provide a short term ‘fix.’

It will only delay the reality that the GOP has a policy problem. Their policies have proven to be failures.

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All liberals like to assassinate character, demonize political opponents to cover up four years of decline and four more to come! Enjoy your for more years of Obama and stop worrying about Republicans! The Party is no more racist than you TaxPayer! Enjoy paying MORE taxes!

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Someone going to explain opinion to Jeff?

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As I’ve posted before, while not surprising (to me) in the least, what this really does is force rational people to waste time and resources taking extraordinary measures to fight this. The only way to fight it head on is through recall and referenda; otherwise, you have to wait it out and who knows how effed up and BS this Republic could turn out if we do that.

I’d like to think, for example, that the Democrats can field a Presidential candidate who can amass such an overwhelming majority of voters that the disenfranchisement efforts in OH/MI/VA/WI/PA will be for naught. I mean, if the Dems take TX, it’s game over, right? But what about 2020?

The only true workaround will be to somehow manage a Constitutional amendment to finally have a nationwide popular vote, something we should’ve done at least 150 years ago. And that’d be the mother of all battles, but it’s one we’ll have some day, anyway.

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Jeff T, 8:33,

More of Bookman’s telling only half of any story and omitting the part that makes liberals look bad. What more could you expect from a liberal “opinion maker”. Bookman represents nearly all of the biased media who thinks that intelligent people swallow this nonsense.

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indigo @8:34
A court challenge would be doubtful. At least 2 other states (Maine and Nebraska, I think) do the same thing.

Jay, do you suppose those other states should change back to the winner-take-all system you suggest for Virginia?

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The moral of the story in the Virginia Legislature is to never turn your back on a con. The cons there prefer a bowie knife in your back to a frontal assault with a rifle where you can at least see them coming. Virginia’s Republicans are truly cowards. How many more will follow in their footsteps.

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Sorry Jay, but each state gets to choose it’s own methods for electoral votes. It is not cheating any more than ANY redistricting is cheating by the party in power, and Democrats exclusively held that power in Georgia for nearly a hundred years without so much as a peep from Jay Bookman.

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Anybody who saw the gerrymandered district that first put Cybthia McKinney in office the first time (way back) knows that gerrymandering is not limited to one party. It was a long snake-like district that linked folks in parts of this place and parts of that that made no sense.
Independents………common sense! Both parties……..too extreme!

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Just add this to the “if you can’t win impeach the guy” move.

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I know it’s not going to happen but the BEST thing would be to do away with the electoral college all together and just go by the popular vote.

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Imagine if you will…for just a moment.

Imagine if Debbie Shultz (sp?), after losing a number of elections, decided the Dem states needed to change the laws to give Dems better chances to be elected…

Wingnuts would be apocalyptic…

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“angry, old, misogynist white racists”?……. Certainly, you can come up with something more descriptive than that.

Actually I did, kayaker: “…lying, thieving, angry old misogynist white racists…”

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Whatever makes Bookman angry is a good thing.

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The problem is the national focus on the Presidency as ‘the government’
when he can only carry out the law created by Congress with some influence
on initiating some laws. With both parties doing ‘whatever it takes’ to win
the White House, the good of the country has been cast aside. The recent
elections where the Presidential candidates concentrate only on winning a
few states with many electoral votes is not a good thing. Gerrymandering is
not new and is practiced by both parties. Awarding electoral votes by
Congressional Districts could easily backfire for Republicans and benefit
Democrats in future elections. As long as the law is followed the law can be
changed. If illegal, prosecution should be commenced.

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kayaker71–”….who don’t make excuses for their failures”? Right.

Here are some of the excuses republicans/tpartiers used when they lost the presidential election:

–it was those takers

–it was the 47%

–it was the “urban” voters

–it was Hurricane Sandy

–it was the Black Panthers

And, I am so tired of people like you with your sanctimonious attitude that republicans/tpartiers are the only ones in this country who work or take personal responsibility. Do some research, for heaven’s sake. If you look at the 47% figure, you would find that:

* 28.3% are working and have payroll taxes deducted from their pay checks,

* 10.3% pay no taxes because they are retired and living on social security benefits they paid for throughout their working lives,

*6.9% earn less than $20,000 annually, and

*thousands of soldiers in combat zones are exempt from income taxes.

The 47% figure is meant to deceive American voters that 47% of people are on welfare, which is NOT true. About 2% of people are on welfare; the rest of the 47% is explained above.

And…yes, I am part of that 47%. I am retired after working and paying taxes all of my adult life (actually since I was 15 years old). Plus, I will pay taxes this year on my income because I have taken some money out of my retirement account to buy a house.

So get over yourself and quit making excuses and repeating lies for the republicans/tpartiers.

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The tactic is new, but the intent is typical. As long as republicans can hang on to power in the states through gerrymandering, I doubt there is anything that might stop their antics. On the federal level we have a majority leader in the Senate who has zero back bone. Between republicans with no morals and democrats with no back bone the rest of us are left to twist in the wind. My optimism is beginning to wane.

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F. Sinkwich

January 25th, 2013
8:41 am

Is anything here against the law?

Or does this action just hurt the lib ilk feelings?
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I submit example 1 of my characterization of Republicans in my 8:52 post………….

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This sounds “exactly” what the Democratic Governor in Maryland did to the areas of Maryland that DID NOT support him in his last election. The Democrat O’Malley (D-MD) also admitted bribing the Unions for their support and paying back the Unions by FORCING STATE EMPLOYEES to pay Union FeesHe diluted the Republican vote by “redistricting”. He took “heavily Populated Democratic Counties and put them with “sparsely populated” Republican Counties hundreds of miles apart to dilute the Republican vote. O’Bama did the same thing with his “get Out the Vote Groups” like ACORN who actually registered non-existent voters as Democrats and then actually voted using their names. O’Bama also gave them Federal Tax dollars to try and finance the ACORD Organization and their groups.

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Is it true that Nebraska and Maine each have a nonpartisan committee equally divided between Republican and Democrat members to draw up the congressional districts? It is not perfect but does prevent the blatant gerrymandering that we see in Virginia, Georgia and under states. Until Virginia and these other Republican-controlled states adopt a similar nonpartisan system, using Nebraska and Maine to justify these “new” changes is a dishonest, red-herring.

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Imagine if Debbie Shultz (sp?), after losing a number of elections, decided the Dem states needed to change the laws

but that’s not really the analogy.

What you’d have to imagine is what actually happened, only it was a situation when a census-year mid-term gave *Democrats* a chance to grab state legislative majorities in very narrowly-held *Republican*-leaning states, and they decided to rig the EC thus.

And of course GOPers would be apoplectic, and they’d be justified in being so.

Thankfully the next census will be during a general election, with presumably major-league turnout, but that is a mighty long time to get this crap sorted out absent extraordinary methods.

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All this while screaming what a tyrant President Obama is. Actually, as has been reported, gerrymandering has already thrown the House to the minority republicans. This is just the natural progression. This must be stopped. If rolls were reversed no doubt “second ammendment” solutions would be forthcoming.

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Awarding electoral votes by congressional district is not new, Nebraska has done this for years. No one cried when President Obama carried the district including Omaha in 2008 and was awarded one electoral vote. So Mitt Romney won 7 of the 11 congressional districts in Virginia.(I assume he is then awarded the two electoral votes for the Senate seats based on winning a majority of the congressional districts) and gets 9. Not exactly groundbreaking, perhaps a bit clever.
Funny, people have railed on the electoral college for years about how their individual vote doesn’t count, hate the distortion of the winner take all system, etc. Someone tries to do things a bit more proportionally and someone doesn’t like that either (because now President Obama would lose electoral votes in this instance rather than gain in 2008). Flip the parties around in VA and you wouldn’t even consider this newsworthy.

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Under a bill passed out of a state Senate subcommittee this week, Virginia would no longer award its electoral votes to the candidate who won the most votes. Instead, the state’s electoral votes would be allocated by congressional district, which are heavily gerrymandered to favor the GOP.*

So.

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Maine and Nebraska also have at large electoral votes that go to the winner of the popular vote, the Virginia plan doesn’t.

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“Since Maine and Nebraska already have that system in place, and no legal action has said that its unconstitutional, how is it cheating again?”

Because its different. It just is say the Dims.

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Neocon desperation. I love it. These are indeed terrible times for the Potted Plant Party.

Sure, they will try their shenanigans to keep from getting crushed every fourth November, but they have a MUCH bigger problem than congressional districts.

Their racist, fascist ideology of yesteryear is a complete loser and their representatives and base bereft of moral courage

THAT is why they will continue to get humiliated like they did this past November 6th.

Just ask Alan West, Joe Walsh, Todd Aiken, Richard Mourdoch and George “Macaca” Allen…

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Two “mikey does it tooooo” posts, and a random off topic gun nut post.
They’re not even trying any more.

man, I admire you, but there you go again (I know, I do it too)
trying to shame them into some sort of civilized behavior.

but as mrsstsimons finally learned about 5 yrs into her career –
you can’t shame sociopaths into acting right. They don’t have that chip.
They just don’t have it.

The only good news about this is They will be gone before 2020.
…that and Parker’s General Store on de island started carrying
Mayfield milk (yum), and we have a gallon in our fridge,

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Was it “cheating” when Massachusetts used the congressional district method in the elections of 1804-1820 and then as Maine seceded to form its own state and continue the practice for another 8 years?

Was it also cheating as Maine once again returned to the congressional district method in response to the Nixon-Humphrey-Wallace race by enacting very similar measures in a law passed in ‘69 but not used until ‘72?

Possibly Jay as you recommend republicans do…..” But rather than work harder to win back the state, or adopt policies more relevant to the needs of its voters”

Democrats could work harder to win those votes in said congressional districts or adopt policies more relevant to the voters in those districts?

We are not nor have we ever been a popular vote democracy. We use electoral college, it is what it is and it is for the states to decide what system the use to cast those votes.

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“Poor Jay. Calling this cheating while completely ignoring the rampant voter fraud going on in heavily dem districts.”

When all else fails dazzle them with Republican crazy.

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Thulsa, you disappoint me.

Well, he’s always disappointed me, but glad to see Bookman’s coming around.

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Conservative Christian

January 25th, 2013
9:01 am

Poor Jay. Calling this cheating while completely ignoring the rampant voter fraud going on in heavily dem districts.
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Could you provide proof please.

Oh and Jay? Have you seen a post from your Republican friends here yet that even BEGINS to refute (even by example) that I was wrong?

Nope.

Did you just watch Pollyanna?

http://www.youtube.com/movie?v=Pn5rShDpL6o&feature=mv_sr

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You of low intellect – there will be no change in the 2nd amendment. 1st of all 2/3rds of the HOUSE and SENATE would have to vote for a change – no chance. That would be an INSTANT death sentence for their beloved political future. 2nd of all 3/4th, yes 3/4th of the states would have to agree with any changes and that won’t happen. So dream on in your dreary little world but changing the Constitution or making an amendment to it won’t happen – as it should be. Instead Obama will unconstitutionally and illegally try to do it by executive order – an impeachable offense except that he and his mafia cult are in charge. democrats INVENTED gerrymandering and KING ROY BARNES was famous for it. Quit whining about the Repubs doing the same ’cause the Dems were good at it 1st. Dems have done plenty of cheating themselves… politicians are liars – they cheat for a living and people like you keep them in office. TERM LIMITS for Congress.

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Doesn’t this conflict with Republican ideology? The winner has to give his earnings to the loser? The loser expects the winners to carry him and make it all better? Encourages a climate of dependency? Encourages life-long ‘looserness’?

Man, what an admission… “I can’t make it in life, I can’t compete in a free-market system, so I want the rules changed so even if I come in second or third or fourth in each decathlon event I’ll still get the crown at the end.’

And cons complain about giving awards for participating. Sheesh…..

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This is what Karl Rove meant by a ‘permanent majority’ but instead it is a permanent minority over the majority. Isn’t this how a lot of the Arab countries from the Arab Spring were run? Figures that the Repubs would want to go this route since they found a good role model in middle eastern dictators.

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Gerrymandering? Take a look at how CD2 is constantly arranged to keep Sanford Bishop (D) in office…by, GASP!, the pubs!

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The GOP track record is horrible, why does anyone thing they have changed?

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“Thulsa, you disappoint me.”

States rights Jay. As for your point about gerrymandering come on now. Both parties have been doing gerrymandering for a long time. You ought to know better than that.

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“Yes, there is. There are few if any states that voted for Romney but have legislatures controlled by Democrats, which is what this scheme requires.”

So if the Democrats are so dominant as you keep trying to tell us, then why is this? And why are 30 Governorships held by Republicans? Maybe the Republican party isn’t quite as dead as you want us to think?

I guess if the Democrats weren’t so out of touch with the population, they could compete at the state levels as well as the national level huh?

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I wonder why this method was instituted ? Is it a ‘poison pill’ to allow the
country to self destruct? I think not.

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As for the Cornhusker state, it has a unicameral. Among the fifty states, it is unique.

Those racist Republican pigs in Macacaland (Virginia) are not in any way on par with Nebraskans. Republicans, Democrats or whatever.

Slavery-free Nebraska men helped killed those Virginia traitors a hundred and fifty years ago. And we were damn good at it. By the end of the Civil War, more than a third (3,157) of the men of military age in the Nebraska Territory had served in the Union army.

Like I said, it really doesn’t matter much.

Like rubella, the neocon disease is in grave danger of being eradicated in this country…

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“I’m not advocating what is going on in VA, but, wouldn’t this approach benefit the dems sometimes, the pubs others? Both sides have railed against the electoral college from time to time, according to how it would benefit them at the time. This is considered “news” only becaus the dirty rotten pubs are attempting it. Why just go to the popular vote? Then we might see attention paid to the rest of us, not just the swing states.”

I’m in the unusual position of agreeing with you except for the part about the popular vote. It’s great in theory, but what happens if we need a recount? The whole nation would have to recount. I don’t think we can handle that many hanging chads.

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Jay, who urinated in your cheerios this morning? My “defense” of this is twofold: First, Dims cheat by wanting open borders to allow undocumented democrats, uh, I mean illegal aliens, to flood into the country, have babies, get on government dole, and vote blue.

Second, weren’t you pinkos whining up a storm when Gore won the popular vote? Now you’re HUGE electoral college fans, huh?

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I thought gerrymandering was illegal. This article seems to say so

http://www.propublica.org/article/is-partisan-gerrymandering-unconstitutional

So why hasn’t anyone sued the offending States and taken it to court?

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98:”Second, weren’t you pinkos whining up a storm when Gore won the popular vote? Now you’re HUGE electoral college fans, huh?”

The stupid it hurts.

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to be honest Jay–why not disclose the other states who allocate their electorial votes in the same way. Nothing new here. States have their rights. They are constitutionally guaranteed. Every state could adopt the same measure. All this conservative bashing and finger pointing is going to come back to haunt the left in the next mid term election who are always 100% correct and demonizing the other side for their opposition. Its part of politics, thank god or we would be a totalitarian system.

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“I honestly thought that few conservatives on this blog would try to defend this.”

Actually I don’t really care that much. Like Albany said, it would probably help one party one year, and the other another year. Sorry, I’m pretty unconcerned about it no matter which party benefits. Go out and win those state legislatures, then you can do it your way.

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Corbin Sharpe

“So why hasn’t anyone sued the offending States and taken it to court?”

Happened right here in Texas before the last election. Republicans were in fits, thinking we could go into an election where areas that had traditionally voted for a Democratic representative might actually do so again.

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The KING of gerrymandering was the Dem party and KING ROY and I never heard a complaint from Jay about Roy’s tactics? I am opposed to ALL gerrymandering which was INVENTED by the Dems and perfected by the Repubs. Just goes to show that being immoral can come back to haunt you. NOW that this is happening to the DEMS instead of them doing it to the Repubs it’s all of a sudden wrong? There’s is more than enough cheating going on in D.C. on a daily basis to offset anything the Repubs do. Politicians aren’t heroes – they will cheat, lie, steal or do anything else necessary to stay in office and stay in power.
TERM LIMITS for Congress.

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“I know it’s not going to happen but the BEST thing would be to do away with the electoral college all together and just go by the popular vote.”

I don’t agree, but apart from that it’s also the hardest and longest process. The EASIEST thing to do is similar to what Jay is complaining about…except all that needs to be done is to allocate the EC votes on a percentage basis comparable to the popular vote, with the winner taking any fractions of a vote left. So if the winner gets 51% of the vote, he gets 51% of the EC votes plus any leftover fractions from that division. That change would not require a Constitutional amendment.

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”Second, weren’t you pinkos whining up a storm when Gore won the popular vote? Now you’re HUGE electoral college fans, huh?”

Wow! Just wow. Republican crazy is really on display today! Or is it unskewed Republican intelligence?

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Just another example of the Constitution allowing choice and creating
dissention.

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It is one thing to talk of gerry mandering at the state level for state elections. All sides have done at some point but it is a totally different issue when the party in power at the state level changes the rules for Presidential elections via those same gerry mandered districts.

This is something we expect to see in a 3rd world country or banana republic but not here in the U.S. Those Republican legislators who vote for this should be tried for treason and if a Democratic legislator did the same then they too should be tried for treason.

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With travesties like this, I hope our side will somehow finally realize
that there is no working with these people.

the only thing keeping Them from the dustbin of history
is that realization & our side’s lack of a killer instinct.

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More unskewed Republican intelligence! Gullible Joe @ 9:28 posting a bogus chain email.

http://factcheck.org/2013/01/voting-conspiracies/

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“Second, weren’t you pinkos whining up a storm when Gore won the popular vote? Now you’re HUGE electoral college fans, huh?”

It depends. They have variable standards you see. When it suits them to whine about winning the popular vote and losing the election they variate to the idea that that’s just plain wrong. Then when the electoral vote is more important to them they variate their idea of fairness to the idea that electoral votes are what’s important. Its also called Democrat fairness flexibility.

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Jay
January 25th, 2013
9:16 am

Not a pleasant lesson to be taught otherwise.

Not to call you a dumbass, naive, or anything else, but did you honestly expect conservative posters here to agree with YOU on anything? If so, I have some beachfront property in Colorado that you would love to invest in.

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Go Virginia!

Give Jay and the Crybabies something to moan about. Love it!

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I, personally, think we should allow the Presidential election to be
held in Florida only.

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Constitution? Constitution? Since when has Obama ever concerned himself with the Constitution? If anything he has great disdain for our constitution and ignores it on a daily basis up there in Hollyweird North aka D.C. JAY when are you going to point out the cheating going on in the Dem Party? When are you going to comment on the fact that the Dems ignore the constitution when they don’t agree with it? Obama puts his hand on the Bible and swears under oath to defend and uphold the Fed laws on the books – if his lips are moving he’s untruthing.

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Relax you dim-witted libs. The NC state Supreme Court will shot this down – just like the GA state supreme court shot down none other than your chosen retread Roy Barnes when he stuffed 5k more cons in each northern GA ditrict vs. lib districts.

Jay, I don’t recall you having an opinion piece on the shenanigans of Barnes & Baker that ended up costing the state $2 million & in the end Barnes & Barker’s garbage was thrown to the curb as unconstitutional.

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Even the GOP governor of Virginia has to know hat this action by the legislature is outrageous and will kill the very idea of fair elections. Call Gov McDonnell (804-786-2011) and tell him to veto HB259.

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joe, I would ask you to please provide the link the website you got that “info” from, but I don’t need you.

The list of sites is like a who’s who of lunatic fringe op-ed and blogging sites. NOT ONE reputable news source listed Not Reuters or BBC or CNN or even Fox News. Kind of strange, doncha think?

The joke is on you willfully gullible, research challenged neocons.

http://tinyurl.com/bxuuyr8

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This is what happens with so called “non partisan” committees to draw Congressional districts:

“How Democrats Fooled California’s Redistricting Commission”

http://www.propublica.org/article/how-democrats-fooled-californias-redistricting-commission

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“I’m not saying I’m in favor of this btw.”

The good ol’ Republican butt defense, “but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but…”

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so what..

I will say that those hard-core partisans on the right who defend this scheme aren’t looking at it through the eyes of a moderate or independent, who are likely to see it for what it is and turn against those proposing it.

says the hardcore partisan on the left

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Should rural folks pay taxes that only benefit wasteful big city folks?

Should big city folks pay taxes that only benefit wasteful rural folks? As I seem to recall, in Georgia, the Atlanta metro area sends out more in taxes than it gets back.

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The lack of personal morals by the republicans posting here is astounding. I would not do business with any of you. You can’t be trusted.

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Redcoat
January 25th, 2013
9:40 am

“Should rural folks pay taxes that only benefit wasteful big city folks?”

Do not big city folk already pay taxes that benefit rural folk?? Works both ways, you know…………

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Wow, independent or not, lets keep moronic Al Gore out of this. I totally understand arguments, and I am not an extremest. That being said, we can cuss Bush, Clinton, whoever and I am still convinced we would have been better off with Al Bundy as prez than Al Gore. (Cheatin’, gerrymandering, or anything else to keep his a$$ out would have made me compromise some principles……..) lol

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After the third beatdown in four elections, the neocons are in major damage control mode But alas repainting the GOP submarine’s screen doors is only going to get them so far.

Stay losers, my friends…

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Most important of all, this can only be a short-term fix for the GOP that allows them to ignore their long-term problems for just a little while longer

And may drive the Republican demise even faster.

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Hey Jay isn’t what the Republicans are trying to do here considered redistributing the wealth?

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Brosephus……”Should big city folks pay taxes that only benefit wasteful rural folks? As I seem to recall, in Georgia, the Atlanta metro area sends out more in taxes than it gets back.”

And things are really going well for both……right?

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The losing party–the GOP–is simply determined to show everyone that there are nor will there ever be any bigger losers than themselves. Well done, cons. You’re Number One!

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“The lack of personal morals by the republicans posting here is astounding. I would not do business with any of you. You can’t be trusted.”

Yes, I would also prefer to do business with the “moral high ground” dems that are running the APS, DeKalb County, Clayton County, Ray Nagin, Jon Corzine. Bishop Long, Creflo Dollar, etc., etc.

Funny to see libs claiming moral superiority.

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This illustration of how far Republicans will go to subvert the will of the American people when they are opposed is precisely why we need federalization of elections. We also need to examine paper trails for voting machines in all states since it it not beneath Republicans to rig elections by rigging voting machines. We see how far they will go to seize power, so that is not a ludicrous idea.

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indigo

“Democrats control at least 17 state legislatures.

Why could they not do what Virginia is doing?”

Because they’re not desperate and in need of a big-time makeover?

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“Funny to see libs claiming moral superiority.”

Miltonman,

They base their moral superiority on their support for partial birth abortion.

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9:50 – hasenpfeffer alert…

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Morality

Please furnish some examples of how “Dems ignore the constitution when they don’t agree with it”.

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Next we will have Hannity telling us what great Americans they are.

“We have met the enemy and he is us”

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Jay……..So who’s getting the other 53%?……..I’m sure as the limits of any big city expands those people swallowed up are so thankful!…….

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scout tries to peck out a pot hole in vain.

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Saxby Chambliss going?

Georgia politics is gonna’ get really interesting.

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This idea that dead people voted or more people than were registered in some place voted has been debunked so many times I can’t believe people are still throwing it out there. The “dead” people usually turn out to be people with the same names and the “more votes than registered voters” turns out to be that some locations had multiple ballots for multiple issues and the cons counted ballots and lied that they were voters. Give it a rest. Obama won the EC and the popular vote. The GOP might as well go back and demand that votes from blacks count as 3/5 of a vote. They’ve gone that crazy.

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you epitomize sleaze! it is amazing how, we all knew it was coming, are nothing more than an obama lemming….

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Jay — “Saxby Chambliss not running for re-election.”

GOOD

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Jamvet,
I was strictly talking about Gore, and no amount of your partisan rants will convince me that his idiotic a$$ would have been a good prez…………….
As an independent, I am not loyal to any extreme philosophy. Repubs (some who would die if they had to publically admit it) did well economically under Clinton. I choose the man, not the “plan”. I would have written in tha late Pat Paulson before I would have voted for Gore. It is not a liberal or conservative thing. The man is a self-serving jackass (Gore.)

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Mick, Jay: ” The republican brand is about to become a toxic waste if they pursue this!!!”

Why are you so sure. All you’re doing is HOPING there will be a backlash. But there is no guarantee that there will be any backlash because the cynicism of the population has grown tremendously, fueled by a morally and intellectually corrupted media that ultimately has lost sight of its moral role as acting as a true watchdog and instead insists on treating the increasingly brazen escalation of political tactics by a radical faction as an acceptable form of political gamesmanship. The debt ceiling extortion is the classical example. Before the latest GOP change of strategy, the press had already predictably dropped its tone of amazement at the brazenness of these nihilistic tactics and had already integrated it into its narrative frame of just one more step in a harmless, normal evolution of political horse-racing..

So the political press is partly to blame here, too, in the fact that the attempt is being made. Remember that it wouldn’t be happening if they didn’t think that ultimately it will work, will be able to fly under the political radar for the majority of the stressed and distracted citizens.

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Unable to defend their stupidity on a rational basis, the conned here have gone to pure deflection. While they may represent the extreme base, they do not represent the entire GOP party.

A very good analysis: http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/civil-liberties/report/2013/01/24/50459/grand-theft-election

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One of the reasons why the Electoral College has remained in effect for all of these years is because it is assumed that all of the swing states benefit so greatly from the attention and advertising dollars, that no politician from these states would advocate eliminating it. However, if the state republicans are willing to sacrifice the attention and money that comes from these contests, then they can not logically oppose shifting to a popular vote, at least not on those grounds. This could be a unique opportunity to push for the elimination of the Electoral College. Sign the petition at:

http://wh.gov/yd76

Spread the word. Let’s make this the first petition to hit the new threshold of 100k signatures. Thank You.

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I’m actually ok with this. I just hope that this puts another nail in coffin of gerrymandering.
If gerrymandering was outlawed, this is the way it should be.

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Losing the popular vote 5 of the last 6 elections is hitting home more than many on the right will admit, especially those at the RNC. RNC and certain states must not foresee any changes in those trends

Desperate times, call for desperate measures.

Many on this blog will basically tell you that Obama barely won, yet are all in for this Hail Mary of an attempt to stay relevant on the Presidential level.

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Sounds unconstitutional … if a state’s electoral college reflects a state’s cohort in the House of Representatives, it is tantamount to pushing the election into the House of Representatives… which the Constitution only allows in case of specific exceptions

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Could this article be more biased!!! Also, the comments… Give me a break people. If you take out the cities the election would have been completely different and that is because of the demographics of cities. You can’t tell me that city life depicts that of the rest of the state and how that state is truly represented. I say well done Virgina and hope that the rest of the states do the same. We need change, but it is not the change that this biased article is wanting or that the standard city people are wanting.

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If gerrymandering was outlawed, this is the way it should be.

then only outlaws would be gerrymandering

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This is the exact way election should be decided. Should all of Pennsylvania be marginalized in Presidential elections because of Philadelphia? The rest of VA because of the government workers commuting into Washington DC? Or WI, MI, MN & Illinois especially, be hostage to urban areas? Most of the map is RED. They should also split up CA & TX, where rural voters are marginalized.

There is nothing about cheating in this scheme. It is perfectly legal. I as a PA resident, am tired of seeing our whole map RED with a blot of blue in Philadelphia. That is ridiculous!

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“This idea that dead people voted or more people than were registered in some place voted has been debunked so many times I can’t believe people are still throwing it out there”

It’s a normal pattern for some. Read a lead, get stumped, realize it contradicts their cherished beliefs, get frustrated, still can’t face having to modify their views and admit they’ve been getting played by rich guys on talk shows and… dead people voting gets posted.

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States ARE within their RIGHTS to do this but you call it cheating…..hmmm. LOL all you ignorants are funny. Lets see Obama had EVERYTHING going for him the last 2 elections and i mean EVERYTHING, I caould compile a list a MILE long starting with 400,000 UNION workers campaigning for him in the 4 key battleground states, and he still BARELY won the election and you are all saying the GOP is dead? ROFL….let me tell you ignorants something…you know who wins the elections since the time of most people having TV? The person with the most charisma, personality, is most likeable. The one you like after seeing both candidates after the first few minutes. You see its not you and I that decide the election, tis the people who dont give a crap enough to pay close attention to all the political BS. They dont care or dont have time and they see the candidates and they decide which one they like best by how they look, talk, personality, charisma and overall just you they trust and LIKE. Its not this deep. You dont get it. So keep talking all your smack but Obama ran against who? John McCain? Wow hes mr personality isnt he? He ran against Romney? Another one with charisma and the gift of gab huh? ROFL….you guys are full of it and dont even know it! You dont get the big picture because you are too close…..ROFL

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God I hope they dont get this done. Next thing you know I will have to get a JOB. We would loose all of the free programs and handouts my family will starve will I do.

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THERE IS NOTHING DECENT ABOUT AL GORE. PLEASE DON’T PEE ON OTHER PEOPLE’S LEGS AND TELL THEM IT’S RAINING. EVEN CONS ARE NOT THAT STUPID. COME ON NOW !

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So the news of the Saxby Chambliss retirement hits right now, guess we’ll be moving on to that pretty soon.

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And you wonder why we have a cheating society?

It trickled down .

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I don’t defend this kind of crap. It’s likely to just come back and bite the Va. Repubs somewhere down the road. Just like the fine art of gerryMEANDERing was perfected by the Dems in GA but now used by Repubs to their advantage.

That district mentioned on page 1 went from Atlanta to Savannah, if I remember correctly and looked like it went out of its way to pick up individual houses on the way.

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Good article valid points. I live in Illinois and gerrymandering happens to favor the democrats but stiil wrong.

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It is long past time that the electoral college be eliminated and the national election determined by popular vote. A positive side-effect would be the necessity of presidential candidates campaigning in all the states instead of a few.

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“It seems to me this is not constitutional”

A liberal concerned about the Constitution. You heard it here 1st. Now what about the 2nd Amendmant and stealing folk’s guns away? HUM! That sorta doesn’t seem um “Constitutional” either now does it? You guys are priceless.

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Sweep asid briskly the silly, childish sterotypes that have been successfully indoctrinated into the public about conservatives (like Class Warfare itself, which slanders achievers in society and demonizes them). The fact is, the GOP is on life support because they’ve tried to court a media that is wired into hostility towards conservative values and common sense. For example, Obama—the President who’s added more debt than any other executive—gets away with claiming he’s reduced the debt; a blatantly obvious absurdity….while the press trashed Romney as a “liar” because he pointed out that Chrysler’s Fiat division was going to manufacture Jeeps in China (Obama’s campaign even ran ads calling Romney a liar on that topic)…and it turns out that Romney was correct….yet no media coverage or apology. Journalists decide what the majority foolishly believes. Thusly, the GOP is doomed because a deep partisan and unethical press corps fabricates false images and impressions. The “enemy” of Liberty, and the GOP….are journalists. And that’s what’s going to kill the American experiment.

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@Common.. Jay has increasingly gotten more biased and belligerent in the short time I’ve read this column, I sense a real boredom and insecurity and thus a need to say and think only those things that support a far left wing ideology, his readership, delighted with the last election are , ingeneral more ardent, emboldened. There is less and less discussion, mainly name calling, racism and an overall negative outlook on all things not far left. This is classic , really any far wing outlet does similar things and with the polarization of the public and idealogues such as Rush and Jay- there is less and less middle ground and room for intelligent discussion,well that’s the way I see it …see “the cat”…..”have you shot any kids today?”..how utterly ridiculous and disappointing that one has to consider such confrontational ideas….

Any party that uses sleezy techniques to get votes will eventually loose out in the general election, see chicago Dems in 1960 as a prime example…

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Maine and Nebraska have had similar rules for allocating electoral votes for some time now. I prefer the system advocated by Lani Guinere, best friend of the Clinton’s until they threw her under one of those ubiquitous buses. Although my political leanings are quite different from hers, her proposals make a good deal of sense. I still believe the literacy test is the way to go. All of those efforts to assure educational equality these past 50 years or so should have given everyone who cares to vote the ability to pass such a test. Please give readers a warning when you intend to mention Alan. Now I can’t get rid of the nightmare vision of him in those tiny tighty running shorts.

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Monty, how many guns have you had stolen?

(And no, I don’t mean that bully kid down the street who got your super soaker.)

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Jay

January 25th, 2013
8:45 am

Skipper, that’s absolutely true. Those Dem-drawn maps were ridiculous. I’ll give Georgia Republicans credit for not repeating that mistake.

Wow, I was taken aback by this statement from Jay! I don’t really recall him ever giving them credit for anything! It’s alway a continual drip,drip,drip of negativaty about the GOP, you would think the Dems are saints!

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So why isn’t Georgia pursuing this? That answer is where the true motive becomes evident. If it is a good Republican idea to have electoral votes divided by district, why are they not pursuing the idea in all Republican controlled states? Could it be because it would give Democrats electoral votes in the urban districts of “solid red” states?

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I still believe the literacy test is the way to go.

Wow.

Jim Crow lives.

Incredible…

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Dan — “This is the exact way election should be decided. Should all of Pennsylvania be marginalized in Presidential elections because of Philadelphia?”

If there are move voters in Philly than in the rest of the state, then yes.

“The rest of VA because of the government workers commuting into Washington DC?”

You ever spent much time in Northern VA? I have, and the traffic there is as bad, if not worse, than it is here in ATL. If the voters in NOVA outnumber the voters in rural VA, then yes.

“Or WI, MI, MN & Illinois especially, be hostage to urban areas? Most of the map is RED.”

So you’re in favor of the Rush Limbaugh system, where whoever accrues more *acreage* in the election is the winner? Is that what you’re saying?

“They should also split up CA & TX, where rural voters are marginalized.”

Uh huh.

“There is nothing about cheating in this scheme. It is perfectly legal. I as a PA resident, am tired of seeing our whole map RED with a blot of blue in Philadelphia. That is ridiculous!”

What’s ridiculous is that you apparently want one rural voter to count more than one urban voter does.

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http://www.advisorone.com/2013/01/24/secs-16-biggest-penalties-since-financial-crisis?utm_source=compliance12513&utm_medium=enewsletter&utm_campaign=compliance&t=the-client&page=2

Speaking of if you can’t compete, cheat. Or in this case the punishment is not commensurate with the reaping

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…It’s something that could only be accomplished through an amendment to the Constitution…

So legal and constitutional action by the VA legislature is “cheating” but amending the U.S. Const. is not?

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Good point Midtownguy. It works both ways. But “winner take all” is not right either. As someone said earlier, the current system allows politicians to focus their attention on 5 or 6 states instead of fighting for every electoral vote in everey state.

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Mike
” If a state has 16 electoral votes, and the dems get 50% of the vote and the repubs get 50%, they should split the electoral votes 8 to 8. What is not fair about that? Heck, that seems like the only fair way to do this.”

Mike’s right.

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another voice
January 25th, 2013
10:22 am
It is long past time that the electoral college be eliminated and the national election determined by popular vote. A positive side-effect would be the necessity of presidential candidates campaigning in all the states instead of a few.

You might change your mind when Georgia starts to get inundated with commercials the way states like Ohio and Florida were last election

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For a group that claims to be the brightest, the defenders of democracy, the protectors of American liberty and all that other lip service, the GOP is nothing but an angry mob using their Klan like tactics to take what they couldn’t get by a strong appeal.

These clowns and their defenders just don’t get it. You’re doing yourself a disservice by not putting together a winning platform. Go back to the drawing board and develop a new game plan that will sway people to your side.

I guess this is what the GOP means when they say people need to work hard and determine their own destiny.

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Republicans are low life scum, have always been low life scum, and will always be low life scum.

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Monty

“A liberal concerned about the Constitution”

Considering conservatives supported the British monarchy and free-thinking, break with the past, progressive liberals wrote it, well, yeah -

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Jay, I know you have to write about something, but the people of Virginia elect their government and then that government decides to change the rules. That’s not cheating – that’s the consequences of elections. Kind of like Obama care and a weakened national defense is the consequence of reelecting Obama.

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The gop should disband after the majority grows in 14.

They are worthless to the majority of the American people.

Like jindal said,

The party of stupid.

Kooks.

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and Monty, who’s saying peoples’ guns are going to get stolen? Besides the NRA, gun lobby and talk radio guys, that is? ’cause it isn’t anywhere in the legislative proposals or executive orders, is it?

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The party of stupid (pos) are trying to fix the pos.

Can’t wait too see what changes they make because cons hate change.

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Can’t wait to jack the guns from the law abiders so it will truly be MOB RULE, baby?

Does anybody here remember what people were saying in 1938 when the supreme court said it was alright for the federal government to ban the sale of machine guns and sawed off shot guns?

I really would like to know , no joke. And the vote by the way was 8 to 0.

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Oh, shush you all. Yes, it’s despicable what they’re trying to do, but come on – rezoning voter districts in counties and states to favor one party over another is what politicians do. Tipping the scales in their favor is what politicians do. Dems, Reps, the entire sodden bunch. Skewing facts, statistics, lying, cheating, it’s the norm.
Want to stop it? Then toss it all out, and count individual votes. Good luck finding support for it.

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Now we are going to add political corruption to our list of characteristics that is making us a third world country.

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Oh brother, and now it is Dunce Redux, since he was just re-elected as RNC Chair, only had a Libertarian challenger and after Rand Paul’s charade on Wednesday, all hands on deck cause DWS is not gonna let these fools get the better of any option, especially the Democrats.

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In a light hearted way we could say the GOP has finally embraced redistribution, in the EC vote, in an effort to even the score. I guess turnabout is fair play!

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For a group that claims to be the brightest, the defenders of democracy

huh? the GOP has been specifically ANTI-democracy at home. Have been for many years. They stake positions on issues that virtually always are at odds with what majorities of Americans want.

That’s why you get the usual morons crying “we’renotademocracywe’rearepublisothere!” at fairly short intervals.

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I gotta go. I’m trying to be the winning bidder on a Taylormade rocketballz 3 wood on e-bay and time is winding down. Winning this club is way mo impotent than this stuff heah.
I knew y’all would understand. see ya later. Be nice!!! Especially you, Indigo. You tend to get a little nasty at times.

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Sounds like more of the voter id trickery. They dont need to cheat to win, it just undermines them as a party.

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rocketballz wood?

Where did Mike say he was going. Pink Pony?

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I’ve always considered republicans to be truly evil. This only validates my opinion.

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gerrymandering based on past voting patterns to favor one party or group should be against the law. and congress has the power under the constitution to make it against the law.

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VIVIAN HUNT

January 25th, 2013
10:58 am

What is seen as “cheating” in our two party system is all about timing. If the DEMS were reeling, you can’t convince me that all the liberals would not be actively pursuing similar strategies.

The pros and cons of electoral system as is can equally suit whichever party has an immediate opportunity to improve its political positioning.

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godless

What is the Pink Pony?

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Democrats love to tell Americans how the Democrat Party has always been on the side of black-Americans and other minorities. But that’a the big lie! It was something that Democrats learned to do early on. It has been the Democrat Party method of operating for years. It is their political philosophy. To get votes, or money, or favors, make promises with no intention of fullfilling them. Then reneg on those promises with lame excuses. It’s the way they have operated for well over a 100 years – with no change in sight. The Republican Party oversaw the saving of the union, the end of slavery, and enabled the provision of equal rights to all men.

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Republicans are insane in the membrane. To think like them must be a genetic defect….

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/24/new-mexico-abortion-bill_n_2541894.html

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the scous could rule that gerrymandering violates equal representation. not sure they would want to take it up, but believe theyhave the power to

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“Democrats love to tell Americans how the Democrat Party has always been on the side of black-Americans and other minorities”

When you have to lie to make your point, you have no point

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The Republican party is in its Death throws.

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Why are the Repubs in charge in Georgia? Because the voters got tired of KING Roy’s CHEATING.

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Well, this subject has about run it’s course, which as usual, didn’t take but about 15 minutes….so at the risk of hijacking the blog…
Court: Obama appointments are unconstitutional

Published January 25, 2013

Associated Press

WASHINGTON – A federal appeals court has ruled that President Obama violated the Constitution when he bypassed the Senate to fill vacancies on a labor relations panel.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit says Obama did not have the power to make recess appointments earlier this year to the National Labor Relations Board.

Obama claims he acted properly because the Senate was away for the holidays. But the court says the Senate technically stayed in session when lawmakers gaveled in and out every few days for so-called “pro forma” sessions.

GOP lawmakers used the tactic specifically to prevent Obama from using his recess power to fill vacancies in an agency they claimed was too pro-union.

The Obama administration is expected to appeal the decision to the Supreme Court.

No freakin’ way. Obama doing something unconstitutional? Well, I don’t believe it!

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I do recall many here in GA on this blog many a lib complaining that their vote didn’t count and the EC should be abolished or distributed by popular vote…but if the R’s takes action to the same end…its “cheating”

I agree just go to popular vote.

The country is center left and moving to the left anyways.

Democrats have won popular vote 5 of the last 6 ( Gore got two million more votes than W )

If we would have had it that way in 2000 the country would have been spared the disaster that was W’s presidency.

The Republicans cannot and probably will never again win a national election.

So give them what they want. Just go to popular vote.

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stevie – maybe everyone should take off the blinders and think about the good of the country. that kind of thinking helpds us in the long run.

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I disagree with Jay’s opinion re Nixon. I think he would give that little sneaky smile of admiration. You have to remember that his top aids were schooled on dirty tricks they learned stealing college student govt. elections. It was all just a kind of funny big game to them which they carried to the national scene. That amoral ethos still has a backing in part of the GOP, which is why many folks doubt their sincere commitment to democracy.

Now, as to their latest scheme, their motive is transparent. Power by any means. I will concede however that the electoral college is archaic and has led us at times to undemocratic results. One man one vote remains the best solution. But a Congressional District based system could be an improvement if: 1) Districts were not gerrymandered, and, 2) all states had to abide by the same rules. But that is not what Reince (what sort of tattletale name is that?) is pushing.

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Nothing new under the sun. The Dems are arrogant and self sure that the Repub party is dead. Same death sentence was pronounced on the Dem party when Jammy Codder was crushed in a landslide. These politicians are like roaches under the door – you can call the Orkin man but they will be BACK!

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Oscar

January 25th, 2013
11:11 am

Yeah, thats my basic philosophy re politics. Since our interests are subordinated to re-election cash and private money, it won’t happen in our lifetimes. Remove the private cash..now that would be worth Constitutional amendment…

Our government is failing us more and more each year. Dysfunction only results in dysfunctional outcomes. Just look at the utterly ineffective political hand jive re gun control…won’t make a single person, certainly not kids in school safer. Look at the debt situation….on the surface, sometimes things are exactly what they appear..they do nothing well except polarize folks..

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“If we would have had it that way in 2000 the country would have been spared the disaster that was W’s presidency”

Yes, Gore would have been such a better president. All of us would be out hugging trees & adopting polar bears. Heck if Owl Gore would have won his home state of Tennessee – the popular vs. electoral vote would have never even been an issue.

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Awesome move.

GOP wants to put a shotgun to their face and pull the trigger, I fully support the move. Good riddance.

Will be a grand time to sit back and watch them shred each other to bits in true white american privileged wealthy christian charity when “the people” decide they don’t want to be screwed out of their vote.

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I have to disagree on the cheating label. using the laws to you benefit is not cheating. laws should be changed if people think they bring unjust results. bad laws should be changed.

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Yes, Gore would have been such a better president.

Indeed. If nothing else, there never would have been an Excellent Iraq adventure and scores of thousands of maimed Americans, and trillions of dollars of treasure pissed away in the sand, as a result.

To say nothing of the likelihood that our citizens would be stronger, healthier and wealthier than they are today.

can’t have that. We can’t have nice things.

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Jay

January 25th, 2013
9:12 am

Fred, I am forced to agree.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I derive no pleasure in your agreement. I wish it were otherwise but unfortunately have been slapped in the face so many times by the blatant hypocrisy and lies that I have become very cynical and disillusioned.

I prefer your hopefulness to my cynicism.

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Two states already do this, others have talked about it. And after every election the Dems lose, some of them talk about doing this or getting rid of the electoral college altogether.

Considering how often I hear from lefties about the importance of making sure everyone can vote, even people who have smartphones and big screen TVs but can’t seem to afford the fee for a driver’s license, you would think they would be ok with more proportional representation.

But it turns out they are just as cynical and hypocritical as they accuse the GOP of being.

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if the popular vote rule had been in effect, gore would have won and we would not have had the two wars aand the debt problem we have now. I’d say we would be in much better shape all around.

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DownInAlbany

January 25th, 2013
11:09 am

Now we are making progress. Perhaps we can also get rid of the no account Czars of whatever…

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There’s something fundametally wrong about the party that stole the 1960 presidential election with organized crime connections preaching morality. There’s something wrong abut the party of Bill (I didn’t have sex with that woman) Clinton preaching morality. There’s something wrong about the party of the Daley Chicago machine from whose political loins Obama sprung preaching morality.
When everyone from Jay to Jamvet, who live in a Republican dominated state in a country where the majority of the elected federal government in Washington are Republicans keep talkiong utter nonsense about the demise and impending extinction of the Repuiblican party, the delusions, wshful thinking, and yes stupidity of the liberals becomes apparent. Now just go shopping with your SNAP cards nd let the adults run the country.

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taxby SHEETZ

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Cheesy – who made you an expert on politics? Jammy Codder KILLED the Dem Party – the last rights were given for for them after Ronald Reagan crushed Codder in a landslide. Mortgage interest rates were 20% + and unemployment and inflation were through the roof. the Dem Party had an approval rating some where below Pervert Sandusky. they were DEAD……. no heart to beat. That was the prognosis by every EXPERT. It took the Dems years to recover -the Repubs will recover in due time. Meanwhile this is an excellent time for a 3rd Party of FISCAL conservatism to enter. After you go over the FISCAL CLIFF Obama and the Dems will be hated and vilified and will be the scapegoat ’cause the buck stops with Obama.

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even saxby is quitting the repub party

No i doubt that, he’s just retiring ,not quitting the party.

Now , the Republican primary , as i see it will be Paul Broun vs. Tom Price.

I see maybe Jason Carter being one of the Democrats running for the Senate seat, it will be interesting.

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Oscar

January 25th, 2013
11:25 am

I’m not sure about that. IMO, our over-reaction to 911 would not have changed regardless of who was in office. We did what any christian based government would do, we rain hellfire and destruction on a blind scale to try to make others accept our way of life.

Many high ranking DEMs, including I recall Clinton, favored both at the time. All presidents may say one thing about “defense” capabilities, but the egos always end up wanting to flex…we are seeing the vacuums left in most of those countries are filling with the same ususual suspects…100,000’s dead, trillions wasted.

What if’s are easy when they favor your side.

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I recall conservatives hating the electoral college just a few months back when they lost. Now that the system is actively being changed to favor them, regardless of and in particularly in spite of the popular vote, they’re suddenly OK with the EC. Hypocrite much?

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AmericaShrugged

January 25th, 2013
11:28 am

Yup. As much as things change, the more they remain the same. It’s the norm for the biggest splash to come from the shallowest of ponds.

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You mean just like the lib running the country? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/25/obama-labor-board_n_2550788.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

I guess you missed that one, Jay, you know, cause you’re all busy and stuff. Not because you are one-sided political hack or anything.

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oh, and thanks for that fine bit of “Al Gore is fat” rhetoric, Ben.

/headin’ upstairs

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stands for decibels

January 25th, 2013
11:21 am

Its wasted breath to suggest you know what would be better or worse if Bush didn’t win. You have no idea what Gores reaction would be to 911 and neither does he.

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A. Shrugged — “a country where the majority of the elected federal government in Washington are Republicans ”

me — “a country where the majority of the votes for federal government in Washington went significantly to Democrats ”

oh snap, I don’t think that awesome AM radio talky point turned out
the way you thought it would.

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wow

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Must take exception to someone’s previous opinion. You may not like him but Creflo Dollar is definitely not a liberal.

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Joe Hussein Mama

January 25th, 2013
11:42 am

It appears the GOP is doing just that. It’s a fine line. I’m concerned that BO’s sheer arrogance will be his downfall in second term. If he leaves office with the deficit as is and the debt at 20 trillion with no evidence of pressing for spending discipline..the GOP will likely flourish..

Funny how it’s generally not what is promised by one party or another, the victor seems to win due the ineptitude of the challenger. Or at least the one who professionally creates the larger amount of unfounded hysteria.

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Tom B

January 25th, 2013
11:37 am

You mean just like the lib running the country?
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I’m sure that somehow, in your tiny little mind that made sense and you ’scored a point.”

To the rest of us it was just more FOXBOT induced insanity that has nothing to do with the subject being discussed.

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@Cheezy Grits: see above, the dems have supporters that use terms such as “insane in the membrane”, Stalinists”‘”party of hookers’—-with supporters like this ,I’d say we need 2 NEW parties….

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“…and trillions of dollars of treasure pissed away in the sand, as a result.”

oh yes, that “evil Bush running up trillions in debt while our man has kept his promise about reducing the deficit by half.”

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<i.Ooooooooooooo Contrare mon ami! We know that Jumpin’ Joe Biden is the Vice Prez of the current administration – we just think he would be better suited on “Saturday Night Live”.

Why do you hate Saturday Night Live so much lol?

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alex – one new party of USA first and PARTY 2nd should do. That’s why I voted Perot but unfortunately he was telling us the TRUTH about our runaway spending but the voters couldn’t handle the truth.

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The neo-cons do it because their version of the Bible tells them to do so

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Let them pass these undemocratic laws. The white race is dying out so it makes no difference in the long run. The GOP must change, or become a permanent minority party or simply fade away.

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curious

January 25th, 2013
11:50 am

Anybody object to the popular vote solution?

Eliminate the EC and let everyone’s vote have equal weight.
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No everyone’s vote wouldn’t have equal weight. The only folks that would count would be those in California, Texas, New York, and Florida.

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The old adage “never put all your crabs in one bucket”If so some pharisee will come along and steal crabs and bucket.

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Bookman is a consistent worm. What did you expect?

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Fred (TM applied for)

Freaking hilarious. I love it. Good job.

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krimsonpage – the “white” race is dieing out. All races are dieing out. That’s why there are more people on the face of the earth today than there were yesterday, last week, last month, last year, last decade, last century and so forth. True evidence we are dieing out! My GAWD – tomorrow we may be all extinct!

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Jay, 50% of the population lives in 10 States. Give the federal money to those 10 States and viola, instant election.

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Popular vote’s would all count the same true – but – but – but the larger states would have a dominant influence as they also do now with the electoral college so I just suggest cutting up the larger states in to smaller states to make it more “equal”. How about North California and South California? How about North New York and South New York? Then you would have Nanny Pelosi’s 52 states!

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I guess Morality, Jay and……. I forget who I responded to before, my objection is that it completely negates any importance of states with smaller populations. But as you point out Morality, that happens now with the EC.

I dunno, I guess I need to ponder upon it some more.

(Just 90 more minutes until DP weekend strarts for COD Black Ops II starts.)

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Wow! Liberals push for popular vote or rules like Nebraska and Maine, but when Republicans do something like that that might hurt Democrats, its cheating. Look at where voter fraud happens. Its all Democrats. And look at what Democrats keep doing in Florida. Al Gore tried to change the rules after the fact in Florida to change the results in 2000, wanting to recount in heavily Democratic counties. Hillary tried to change the rules after the fact in Florida to change the results in 2008 primaries vs. Obama.

We all should have rules like Nebraska and Maine so that the election isn’t just about a dozen states. A popular vote would also mean a dozen states get all the attention, just different states.

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FRED (TM) – I did make another suggestion to remedy the over powering influence of the larger states. Make them smaller in land mass by cutting them in half – South California and North California and North New York and South New York. And you thought I was joking – NO – I am serious. This is the only solution that will work. After all, Southern California and Northern California are far different in political philosophy and I could say the same for New York. This will work.

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krimsonpage – those in the CULT need help – I am neither a member of the Dem CULT or the
Repub CULT. Do you need to be excised?

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If the Fed debt is ONE CENT less when Obama leaves office than when it was when he started his 2nd term I will bow down to the chosen one and join CULT OBAMA! As Jay said that is a fool’s bet. So I feel confident that I shall remain clean and pure and not a PARTY LOYALIST.

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Personally I do not have any illegal aliens tending my 4 mansions in four different states like the King of D.C. does but I may have inadvertently hired one to cut my grass (I cut it myself most of the time). Heh – I can’t help who the D.C.’ers let in to this country unchecked. That’s their job – not mine.

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If it’s legal is it cheating? I mean it can be legal yet immoral like the current abortion law. So again I ask is it cheating if it’s legal Jay? Gub’ment obviously doesn’t concern itself with immoral or every politician in D.C. would be out of a job.

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Can we say ALEC. The boys on the Right will stop at NOTHING to hold on to what little power they have and attempts to regain the White House. They probably just coming out of the induced coma brought on by the November presidential election results. A bunch of petty sore losers. They want to present themselves as morally upright while doing every underhanded thing possible to regain power.

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Morality, get some intellectual morality. No one said that the economy is humming along. Manufacturing hiring is at a level that we haven’t seen in years. Fortunately no political party can take credit for that. Wages in Asia are going up, wages in the US are stagnant, and transportation costs are increasing. It’s becoming more attractive to US manufacturers to produce in the US. It will take years to undo the damage that the bubble blowing Alan Greenspan and the Bush presidency did to the US, but we will recover.

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Why not go with straight national popular vote. That’s the only fairest way. Not only does Obama still win by over 5 million votes in 2012, but Al Gore would have won in 2000 over Bush.

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“Eliminate the EC and let everyone’s vote have equal weight.”

Yeah our forefathers were idiots. They did not want those in the frontiers to have a say so in the government but simply let the masses on the eastern seaboard dictate who would become president. What fools they were after all the heavy populated areas knew what was best for the entire country like NYC and San Fran.

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“Why not let the states scrap direct voting altogether and let the legislatures select a board of electors.”

That pesky little constitution just keeps getting in the way of you progressive liberals. How do you stand it?

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WilliebKind, I am not a liberal and you have no right to vote for the president. The states through their local constitutions give you that right. I would love to see some states take that popular vote away and appoint a slate of electors. It may make more people take interest in who they are voting for on the local level, and yes there is precedence for this.

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John

January 25th, 2013
12:49 pm

Cheat? Bookman, have you lost your mind? Must I remind you there are other states who do the exact same thing? You really are a petty and ignorant person.
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He’s neither but you certainly are clueless and a bit dull…….

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If successfull, this could call into question the legitimacy of the federal government … and the executive branch in particular. If a candiate clearly has the popular support of the people ( the election is not close), but still loses due to this scheme, then it calls into question if the government actually represents the will of the people or is a puppet of on party.

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then it calls into question if the government actually represents the will of the people or is a puppet of on party

While Jay frequently posts that we are a Democracy, sadly we are not, but will admit we are alot closer after adoption of the 17th amendment. The founding fathers warned about democracy and intentionally adopted a republican form of government. I know people will quote every living President for the last 30 years including Reagan, but they were wrong.

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Conservative Christian

January 25th, 2013
2:05 pm

Fred ™:

Google is your friend….
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I don’t need google. I’m not the one who made the stupid assed claim. I can’t prove a lie but you Republicans sure like to act like you can. So prove the lie……….

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Gop cheats in Va = Obama cheats on recess appointments…..?

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The Dem’s Plan…LIE….REWRITE HISTORY…LIE SOME MORE

It seems that Democrats today, liberal whites and blacks, forget or refuse to hear who voted for and who was in reality against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Those who signed the Democrat Southern manifesto were against the Civil Rights Act of 1964, in fact they filibustered in an attempt to stop blacks from having equal rights. It is a fact that Democrats have traditionally fought against Civil Rights Act for black Americans starting way back in the 1860s. Fact is that if it weren’t for Republicans,the Civil Rights Acts would not have been passed. Democrats fail to mention that incredibly huge numbers of Democrats fought tooth and nail against Civil Rights Bills – all to keep segregation in place. And yes, even so far as to swear an oath to fight it.

It is interesting that Black-Americans have so little information when it comes to what political party has really fought for their best interest and the role of Republicans in Black-American Civil Rights. It seems that the majority of blacks in America today have no knowledge of what occurred, our history, in pre and post Civil War America.

Many Americans today refuse to acknowledge that it has been Republicans who have tried to make blacks less dependant on the Federal Government. It has been the Republican Party who in reality has tried to make them equal, independent, and economically successful. And who were these Republicans? You know, those who the New Black Panther Party calls “bootlicking Uncle Toms”? Why are such black men as Clarence Thomas and Herman Cain, who will not pledge loyalty to the Democrat Party, attacked in the liberal media today? It is because the Democrats have traditionally been a racist party that is overtly contemptuous and hostile to poor and working people.” Who belonged to the Republican Party, the political party that originated as an Anti-Slavery Party? Well, it is a fact that besides Black-Americans like Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas and successful businessman Herman Caine, there has other prominent names of black Americans which have been, or still are Republicans. Are all of these Black-American Republican men and women, “Bootlicking Uncle Toms” and “Aunt Jemimas”? Frederick Douglass, abolitionist, editor, orator, author, Republican statesman was not. How about Booker T. Washington, civil rights activist, educator, author, Republican, advisor to Republican presidents? Was he what Democrats would call an “UNcle Tom”?

Educating racists like the New Black Panther Party Chairman Malik Zulu Shabazz, Whoopi Goldberg, John Lewis and their ILK is futile. I would like to also inform the militant jerk weed that in fact none in the above list, none in office today, and none of the many Black-American Republicans and Conservatives in America are “Bootlicking Uncle Toms” – or “Aunt Jamimas”! It as just offensive, or even more so, than if they were called you know what! And certainly, Condoleezza Rice is not some “Aunt Jamima” – though Democrats have tried to paint her as some sort of traitor to her race.

Dem’s always fail to mention the Republican role in the passage of the Civil Rights Bills over the years. They could be honest and said how hard Republicans worked for Civil Rights. I guess they must have forgotten who fought to free Blacks in the history of America. The first Voting Rights and Anti-Segregation acts for black-Americans were in fact passed by Republicans in the 1870s – almost 100 years before the famous 1964 Civil Right Act . Yes, it was a hundred years ahead of its time! It was the Republicans, under the leadership of Senate Republican Leader Everett Dirksen who drafted a very extensive Civil Rights Bill which became the Civil Rights Actl of 1964. It is so easy to forget that not only were there Southern Democrats back then who opposed the kind of legislation, but they also had Northern Democrats who did not want to stop segregation. As for legislative segregation, it is dead in America. But racism is not, and I’m sorry to say that racism has more than just a black thing. Today, blacks like Whoopi Goldberg, John Lewis and Malik Zulu Shabazz are the face of black racism.

When Rep. John Lewis used his convention speech to argue that a Republican victory in November will send African-Americans back to when he and other Africans-Americans were forcibly denied access to restaurants, public transportation, restrooms, and the ballot box. He tried to set race against race for political gain, and that is a form of racism. When he went on and on describing his activism in the Southern states in the 1950 and 1960s, Lewis claimed, “I’ve seen this before, I lived this before!” – he was in fact trying to divide America with lies that he knows damn well are lies. The Democrat delegates went crazy, and then Lewis said, “We were met by an angry mob that beat us and left us lying in a pool of blood. Brothers and sisters, do you want to go back?” He openly lied to the people that night. If he didn’t lie, than he is ignorant of history that he had supposedly lived. It’s a shame that today’s Democrats like Rep John Lewis feels they have to lie to cover-up the truth of what their OWN political party has done. It is a shame really that lies are what they now resort to. John Lewis should apologize for saying that “segregation would return under Mitt Romney” – it was as shameless a statement as could have possibly been made by anyone there. Republicans have worked too hard fighting Democrats to end segregation. Lewis and others want to spread the lie that it has been the other way around when in fact it hasn’t been. And by the way Democrat Rep. John Lewis … who said he was “met by an angry mob that beat us and left us lying in a pool of blood.” I’m sorry to have to inform you that you were beaten up by Democrats.

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The democrats have already tried this stuff in various states; unlikely to work (I think it was the Eminent Algore, among other democrats, that wanted to do away with the Electoral College entirely). Perhaps the Republicans are just trying to govern like the imperial viceroy – seems to work for him.

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