Would you want Hillary in your foxhole?

Good one.

Women have been killed and injured in the last decade so it really is not a change.

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“Women have been killed and injured in the last decade so it really is not a change.”

It is though. It affects their chances for promoion and probably affects things like their getting combat pay.

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simple,

Where is your foxhole?

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She will stand by her man.

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Hell Yes!

We’d redecorate a bit….but hell yes.

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Actually, I think she’d be great with stars on her shoulders commanding anyone in a foxhole.

Scout and his fighting holes in 3…2…..1……

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Mick

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I don’t have a foxhole but it opens women up for a draft.

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14 comments and degeneration is complete!

We have a new record!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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“Would you want Hillary in your foxhole?”

Hell yeah! Any woman who can dodge a hail of bullets in Bosnia and emerge unscathed is badass.

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No way. She can’t cover my back with her mouth.

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Thulsa Doom

January 24th, 2013
1:16 pm

OK that is funny

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Let’s see what was her comment yestyerday? It wouldn’t really have mattered!! Someone is gonna die and she ain’t taking any responsibility for it. However, she might make a good shield.

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And TBone goes for the lie! When you have HDS and ODS at the same time, you should really see a doctor right away.

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huh…no
i did see excerpts from her testimony yesterday…I’d hardly claim a victory on either side
she came across as angry and a little bitter….certainly not diplomatic

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Would you want Hillary in your foxhole?
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Only if she could keep her irritating yap shut and only if she had some useful skill like cooking or sewing.

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No matter, all are slowy being replaced by the indiscrimate killer drones…damn that collateral damage, carry on..

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and only if she had some useful skill like cooking or sewing.

And thus we see how Heywood evaluates women. Taking us back to the 1850’s

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OT: The thread downstairs reminded me of an article I read a few days ago.

http://www.hiphoprepublican.com/soul-train-republicans/

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DIA, sure they are. And of course they’ll leave out the rest of the statement which clearly shows she is very concerned about the deaths (more so than the GOP buffoons questioning her) and you and many other conned will say that is what she meant when it is a lie. No wonder your party has so much trouble with reality.

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Better Hillary than Bill.

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Wall Street Journal: Women Shouldn’t Be In Combat Because Men Poop
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It is humiliating enough to relieve yourself in front of your male comrades; one can only imagine the humiliation of being forced to relieve yourself in front of the opposite sex.

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Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 24th, 2013
1:26 pm

I suppose YOU believe that she answered the questions yesterday? You believe she “won” I suppose?

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Better Hillary than Bill.

Or George.

He would just disappear for the last year of his assignment…

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Eww….ok…maybe just the tip.

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Thulsa

meekly? I’d bet not.

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Women shouldn’t be in forward combat roles for one reason and one reason only- physical limitations compared to men. But then its hard to talk common sense to libs when they get one a them notions of social engineering in mind.

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Hmmm. Rabbits and foxes don’t play well, but Secretary Clinton has shown some pretty solid stuff these last 4 years – the best being her willingness to take hits for others on Benghazi. Yeah, she’d have your back.

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Thulsa Doom

January 24th, 2013
1:32 pm

Women shouldn’t be in forward combat roles for one reason and one reason only- physical limitations compared to men. But then its hard to talk common sense to libs when they get one a them notions of social engineering in mind.
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ANd if they can meet or beat those limitations?

Your problem would be…..?

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Thulsa Doom

January 24th, 2013
1:28 pm
That Hillary stood by Bill in public is a given. She got many points from me for that. But how it was in private, makes me shudder for Bill. If she wants it, she will be the President of these United States come 2016. I hope she wants it. She would be….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DG-pNt5fus

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Sure, with comments like “What does it matter” I would want her 5ft 100lb self protecting me. Just like Obamacare now saying if the states reject the healthcare it will still cover legal immigrants but not poor Americans. Let’s pass it and then see what’s in it. Which of your brilliant dems said that? You dems blindly follow everything the left wants. Do you even have a brain to question anything? And the cute quips in 1,2,3

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Real women know the difference. Get over it.

http://www.mca-marines.org/gazette/article/get-over-it-we-are-not-all-created-equal

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CLINTON: With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans! Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night decided to go kill some Americans?! What difference at this point does it make?! It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again.

What part of the completion of that statement do liars not comprehend.

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Hillary yes but no to the TP women.

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Thulsa Doom

“Women shouldn’t be in forward combat roles for one reason and one reason only- physical limitations compared to men”

Really?

What, their thumbs aren’t strong enough to depress the talk button on the microphone on the ship’s PA system?

Or they don’t have the wrist strength to move the sticks on an F-16?

I had no idea they were so weak.

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Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 24th, 2013
1:23 pm

Not 1850…I’d say 1960.

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TBG @ 1.24, thanks, insightful stuff–if only his fellow GOPers would read and understand it…

& this gave me a chuckle:

There is no street cred given to Allen West. Nobody was feeling Michael Steele or Ken Blackwell. Herman Cain has been compared over and over again to Uncle Rucker from The Boondocks—which is not a good thing [...]

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“in my foxhole. . . if you know what I mean”

well, this blog sure went downhill fast. (not quoting anyone in particular here, just the gist)

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Paul

January 24th, 2013
1:39 pm

I think women who are career soldiers definitely should be in combat. The ones who survive training most likely outperform a surprising number of men in physicality and skills.

Something sexy about a woman who could kick my as 9 different ways at any time. Call me the Gimp.

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I will take Lyudmila Pavlichenko over Hillary anyday.

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Lt Dan, Bubba, and many others would have died a horrible death ifn they had to rely on a woman.
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I guess that would be a small price to pay for progressive smugness.

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Paul
January 24th, 2013
1:39 pm

Need more than a strong wrist to fly an f 16.
It’s more about g forces and for that physical condition does come into play.

If females can pass the requirements then there should be no issue with this.

However if the bar gets lowered simply because enough of the preferred result is not achieved then an argument is to be had.

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Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 24th, 2013
1:40 pm

So DIA, you are in agreement that Clinton did NOT say that she did not care about the 4 lives lost?
Please be clear.

Since you asked nicely

I honestly don’t know. Not being a smart aleck, I can’t judge what’s in a person’s heart. I thought her response was flippant (”…or just some people out for a walk one night and decided to kill a few Americans…” or something to that effect) and obviously angry. It certainly wasn’t a well thought out response. One that will be used against her in the future. I’d be real disappointed to know that she simply didn’t care.

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“An article in the Army Times July 29, 1996, states that some women do possess the physical attributes suitable to become combat soldiers.

Just ask the Israelis…”

or some French or Russians during WWII.

Or ask the German soldiers. Wait, you can’t…. French and Russian women killed them.

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If they can pass the physical requirements (so that they don’t become a liability to their fellow soldiers), and if they can take being raped by the enemy when captured on the front line… go for it.

I think few women will actually make it to the front lines carrying 100 lbs of gear on a 130 lb frame. If women can pass the physical tests, then they ought to be allowed. Its all about promotion, and I don’t think you can remove the possibility of promotion without giving them the opportunity to succeed.

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If a women can meet the physical requirements and wants to – why not. Up to her. Listening to this discussed on BBC right now and there was an interview with a Canadian combat vet and she was one forthright soldier. The doubters all sound like Phyllis Shafley.

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Women should do anything they can, just like men.

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And as far as Hillary in my fox hole… no way. Hillary has disdain for the military, and even her own coworkers. She is/was unfit as Secretary of State. And for the country, Hillary, it DOES make a difference whether it was a youtube video or a terrorist attack. You couldn’t see the difference when they begged you for more protection, you couldn’t see the difference at the time of the attack, you let your subordinates die, you failed.

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I do not see why not, of course you have to be real careful with that friendly-fire thing!

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too little time

January 24th, 2013
1:52 pm

Parrot right wing radio much?

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On second thought, if she became a POW, the other side would probably surrender!

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Well if Jay can’t be bothered to babysit this, neither am I.

See y’all later.

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“ANd if they can meet or beat those limitations?

Your problem would be…..?”

Granny Godzilla,

And if they could they would be the exception to the rule. And at that point its not efficient and its not worth it to change everything around to accomodate a handful of women who can keep up with the men.

The military’s purpose is solely to break things and win wars. Its not there for libs to test their neat little ideas of social experimentation.

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“And yet the facts do not prove either. But Recon is working with his emotions not the facts.”

I am working with the facts, while Keep works with his ideology.

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Sure, let women get on the front lines if they want. But as a man, I still do not want to birth no babies.

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That should have been “finding of fact”

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Recon freaked out over how Teh Gayz would cause a military collapse too, so never confuse crankiness with thoughtful insight.

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Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 24th, 2013
1:52 pm

Really evasive, DIA

You know, Fight, I actually typed at the end of my response: “I know I’ll be accused of dodging the question.” And deleted that part of the post. Well, I guess I am a prophet after all. I answered to the best of my ability, but, I’m sure that you’ll not extend the same courtesy and now answer my questions.

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Jay, I can’t believe you left this group unsupervised, who is going to monitor Time-Outs? Ok if you libs like the idea of women on the front lines, next will be gays, lesbians and illegal aliens (excuse me, I meant to say Undocumented Immigrants) should be next? This social experiment is the new USA!

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Thulsa

Oh?

Moses yes, Jesus no.

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Ok if you libs like the idea of women on the front lines, next will be gays, lesbians and illegal aliens

That are not already there?

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I am all for gays, lesbians and others who want to fight for the US to have their chance if that is their desire.

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My concern about women (and homosexuals) in combat roles, is that, you know, things happen. And kissy kissy relationships might lead to favoritism and poor judgement in the field.

The ladies can certainly push the buttons of modern warfare as well as the men and they deserve the credit for combat service.

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Tom( Viet Vet-USAF)

January 24th, 2013
2:16 pm

Jay, I can’t believe you left this group unsupervised, who is going to monitor Time-Outs? Ok if you libs like the idea of women on the front lines, next will be gays, lesbians and illegal aliens (excuse me, I meant to say Undocumented Immigrants) should be next? This social experiment is the new USA!

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Where have you been?

Gays and lesbians now serve openly…

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Keep, trolling around for posts that you challenge and then only claiming that you have facts supporting those challenges without offering anything up is true buffoonery. But keep on keeping on if it bolsters your self esteem.

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I wonder if Lucky Lindy will make it…

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Recon

“Nope Paul, it’s absolute fact. Willful misconduct or avoidance of duty leading to death or injury of subordinates is a serious offense in all branches of the military and particularly in the Marine Corps.”

Leave it to you to read the entire article, research corroborating articles, think it thru and form a conclusion.

All in nine minutes.

Ignorance truly is bliss.

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Granny and Keep – You are right, my badd!! You noticed I removed the word “Independent” from my title, you guys did not believe it anyway. My apologizes to the gays and lesbians already there, is the Undocumented next? Next should be Michael Moore and his Hollyweird buddies, or is that to big of a stretch?

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Nope Recon, you lose again. There were findings of fact. If you don’t know what they say, perhaps you need to return to Jay’s thread on the subject some time back or just read them again. You made the claim that she would have been courtmarshalled because of negligence and then said the standard was “willful misconduct or avoidance of duty…” none of which were in the findings of fact. You have failed in making your case but you are doing well at real buffoonery.

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“What do you think about women police officers and fire fighters?”

indigo,

I’ve never seen a female firefighter in my life. I’m sure they exist. I’ve just never seen one. Something about dragging a 150lb dummy(no, I’m not referring to any of the libs) a certain distance that keeps most of them from qualifying. I got a question for you also. Your house goes up in flames and you collapse from smoke inhalation before you can get out. You’re lying there on the floor and you see a fireman coming to grab you and carry you out. Do you want that fireman to be a 125 lb woman or a 200lb man trying to carry you out?

I’ve no problem with women being police officers either since most people automatically obey a cops orders whether its man or woman. But even then in a one on one confrontation with a felon who has nothing to lose its pretty obvious that before the situation escalates and she can reach for her gun that she is at a tremendous physical disadvantage. Do you deny this?

And do you remember a few years ago that felon down at the Atlanta courthouse who was left in a room with a female deputy who was armed? So what happened? He beat the hell out of her, took her gun, and then proceeded to go through the courthouse and shot several people. Remember that??? Is there any question at all that a burly male cop would have fared a far better chance than this petite grandmother?

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Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 24th, 2013
2:27 pm

DAI squirt, you did note that I used “someone” but you really are childish. Your initial post and the follow ups indicated you don’t disagree.

Again, for you and the others with the absurd lie, show where Clinton said she did not care about those killed.

See, there you go again…”…for you and the others with the absurd lie…”

You are the liar. I never said that or implied that.

You are the one that “keeps up the fight.” What has what “someone” said or didn’t say have to do with a sensible, intelligent conversation (that you referred to earlier this afternoon) got to do with me, for crying out loud? I told you earlier that I don’t know if she cares or not. If others want to believe she does not, more power to them. Hell, some folks don’t believe we landed on the moon. What does that have to do with anything?

I thought you were sincere in having an adult conversation. Boy, was I wrong! I’m finished with you. (que the “…typical con, can’t win the argument, so run and hide…” in 3, 2, 1)

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stands for decibels

January 24th, 2013
2:26 pm
What about the Negro problem? Would you let your sister marry one?

Stands for decibels,

Would you let your sister marry one of them “Asian insects” that you spoke of last month?

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This experiment would NEVER work at Kyle’s! WAY too many serially banished seniorile delinquents there like Andy Aesop Sinkwich, Dave Tibby and Lil Obamaphone.

Which is why he has to shut the joint down every night.

The legacy of the worst administration in modern American history?

The GOP USED to be considered the stronger of the two parties on foreign policy. Wow! those days are done, huh? The neocons messed up that advantage in no time flat.

And the slimy, unfit to lead Mitt made a Grade A jackass out of himself with his horrific amateurism regarding the entire Embassy murders affair.

Fortunately for him, he can still hide his zillions of dollars in the Caymans…

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DIA Sure you have implied that with your “I honestly don’t know. Not being a smart aleck, I can’t judge what’s in a person’s heart”

But the fact of the matter is, I, as many others, think she won that point and the day.

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Poor Scummy sure do want some attention.

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Paul,
After “absolute nonsense” I didn’t see any value in going any further reading your link.

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Thulsa Doom@2:31 – Excellent post, you hit the nail with the hammer on point. As a former APD guy, you are right but not politically or socially correct. We have to keep reminding ourselves of that. Next they will be wanting to change the Constitution and Bill of Rights to suit their agenda.

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One of 2 things is true and neither is good. Either she was too weak to put her foot down. Or she just decided to put up with it because her greed for power exceeded her embarrassment over his serial philandering.

Or….. Maybe she took her vows seriously enough to understand that she was with Bill to the end after she said “I do”. The part of the marriage vows that says, “from this day forward, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, until death do us part” doesn’t come with an asterisk or clause for any exceptions. Some people take their vows more seriously than others.

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Thulsa being his normal piggish self. You could learn a thing or three from Mrs. Clinton.

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AqGirl: I got Paul’s fighting hole in the divorce settlement.

You need Jesus. Or an exorcism!

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The con disease to bring down Obama/Uncle Sam at any and all costs has grown even worse in the past four years.

Look at Sinkwich and other Republicans here; they have written the USA off and sold her down the river already.

I guess they think that if screw this great republic up as much as they possibly can, they will get their way.

Brats never win…

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““Would you want Hillary in your foxhole?”

Hell, I would tell her to “move out and draw fire”.

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Bro @ 2:45

Exactly. Plus whose business is it really besides the Clinton family if they decided to stay together or get divorced?

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His nominees today shows a more aggressive President Obama.

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“I imagine most of you arm chair soldiers get winded rolling down the window at the fast food drive thru”

Do you know how heavy those windows are in my Chevy suburbon xl-v8, you know the one the tax payers bailed out.

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Well, heck no, I don’t want her in my foxhole. She’d kick my a$$ and throw me out of there and I’d wind up sleeping out in the open someplace. That woman is bada$$, I tell you. Did you see her staring down them senators yesterday? One look said “Worm!” and the other one said something you can’t print in a family paper.

We need to have a little mercy on the enemy. Don’t send Hillary into the fight.

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What do you think about women police officers and fire fighters?

I know a few female air marshals who could likely whip most anybody’s ass on this blog. Smaller size and stature could be an asset in a fight if you’re properly trained. Depending on what you know and what you know how to use and where, size doesn’t matter at all.

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Recon

“After “absolute nonsense” I didn’t see any value in going any further reading your link.”

Yeah, we’re familiar with how you react when you encounter a post that challenges one of your cherished assumptions.

Never knew it was that profound until you ignored examples of senior Army leadership command failures that got Americans killed and you couldn’t bear to hear they weren’t court-martialed. Yet you go on and on about Americans killed in Benghazi. I guess you’re partially consistent. You seem to buy in to a lot of Benghazi stuff that isn’t true, also.

Patterns, patterns everywhere.

Hey DDR!

“You need Jesus. Or an exorcism! ”

She got it all. Every… last… bit…

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TBS

Ain’t none of my business, and I’m not trying to make it my business either.

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Brosephus 2:52

Good story. Unfortunately, many of the opinions we see here were formed because guys wouldn’t look out of their 45-year old Vietnam foxholes.

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Thulsa Doom

January 24th, 2013
2:31 pm
There he goes again making too much sense.

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/23/man-who-shot-dogs-biting-boy-could-face-charges/
D.C. man who shot dogs biting boy could face charges

this is dimlib logic.

man uses gun to stop a pit bull from attacking a kid and he could be up on charges. what was he supposed to do….watch while the dog killed the kid.

or i guess as hillary would say….does it really matter??????

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Paul, I’ll stick with Jesus. You can have the exorcist or whatever voodoo sources that you may follow.

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Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 24th, 2013
1:38 pm
CLINTON: With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans! Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night decided to go kill some Americans?! What difference at this point does it make?! It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again.

What part of the completion of that statement do liars not comprehend.

maybe it was her job to have figured it out before it happened.

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Would you let your sister marry one of them “Asian insects” that you spoke of last month?

Honest to God, and I know you probably don’t believe me, but I haven’t a clue of what you’re talking about–no idea of the context, and can’t imagine why I would ever refer to “Asian insects.” So, if you could stop playing coy and provide me with this info (which I’ve politely asked for, before), that’d be a sign that you haven’t totally lost it.

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hilarity belongs in the FOX NEWS HOLE

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Gale

January 24th, 2013
2:59 pm

td. I would say parental custody is best handled on the merits of each case and a 50-50 relationship with both parents is not always in the best interest of the child.

How come the merits of 80% of the cases involves the woman getting custody? Equal rights would mandate that those numbers should be closer to 50/50. Something is wrong with the system.

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Doom — “You’re lying there on the floor and you see a fireman coming to grab you and carry you out. Do you want that fireman to be a 125 lb woman or a 200lb man trying to carry you out?”

This is my only issue with women in combat. I’m 6′5″, and in the Army I weighed between 200-220#. During my entire service in uniform, I only met *one* female soldier who I believe could have dragged my wounded carcass back the the battalion aid station, and she wasn’t interested in being infantry.

That said, I’ve got no issue with gender when it comes to combat arms. If there are female applicants who can meet the physical standards (without them having been lowered), then all I can say is ‘drive on.’

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Recon — “Only idiots are unaware that Catherine Herridge Bureau Chief Intelligence reporting at Fox News was the only reporter who accurately reported what occurred in Benghazi the day following the attack.”

Debunked here repeatedly. In fact, I think you said the same thing yesterday and got debunked by Jay.

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RWE, possession of an unregistered firearm is a crime. Can you comprehend that? the story you linked suggests that the entire case is under investigation.

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RWE: maybe it was her job to have figured it out before it happened.

You mean like Bush figured out 9/11?

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Paul, maybe you can tell me where you got your information refuting Catherine Herridge’s report. I’ll look forward to seeing it.

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Obviously the posters here who want Hillary in their foxhole are poor people who don’t own a high definition TV.

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“Debunked here repeatedly. In fact, I think you said the same thing yesterday and got debunked by Jay.”

Now there is a source I would rely on, Jay Bookman!

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How come the merits of 80% of the cases involves the woman getting custody?

You’re assuming men ask for primary custody 100% of the time. Your evidence for this?

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“Depending on what you know and what you know how to use and where, size doesn’t matter at all”

Or, in other words: it’s not the size of the dog in the fight, it’s the size of the fight in the dog

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Recon

How about the report discussed yesterday at the hearings? How about Jay’s earlier threads? My gosh, Recon, maybe you can provide substantiation for Herridge’s anonymous source? Haven’t enough people on this blog told you it’s been repeatedly debunked that maybe, just maybe, you’d think maybe you’re holding onto something false?

I’ll check when I return but I don’t think you’ve got any substantiation for source anonymous.

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In 76% of divorces, it is because the man who has some sweetie on the side. The man does not want full time custody, it would impair his partying. Duh.

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“Frankly, I think there’s a whole bunch of male soldiers who couldn’t have dragged you around, either!”

In todays military dragging a soldier out may have a different definition.

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Since progressives have made the statement loud and clear that women are equal in the most hostile environment in the world then why do we need a “violence against womens act” to give women special protection?

You can not say in one breath that women are equal to men on the battlefield and can protect themselves just as well as men on the battlefield and then say they need special set aside protection from men in the private lives. That is setting a double standard that is contrary to the concept of being equal.

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Looks like 67% of Americans agree with my assessment @ 1.01.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2013/01/23/National-Politics/Polling/release_196.xml

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92 killed at American embassies under Reagan.

33 killed at American embassies under Bush.

4 killed at American embassies under Obama.

This administration has been by far the most successful at keeping our people overseas safe.

All the while working with a smaller budget thanks to Republicans.

But in the delusional Republican mind this is a problem and Obama’s fault.

I dont remember any hearings for all the people that died overseas on W’s watch ?

Funny huh.

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td-are you planning on beating up the little woman? Don’t you have some campaigning to do for the tea party?

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Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 24th, 2013
3:22 pm

I’m having a deja vu moment.

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Joe mama,

Some good points of yours at 3:08. We do have our rare moments of agreement more often than I thought it seems. Makes for kinda boring exchanges between Doomy and JHM. Hee hee hee.

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Some people would not be happy with Hillary if she had been at the front of a platoon of Rangers in Benghazi to extract Stevens and saved the day. Nope. She did not put her foot down on Bill’s cheat’n ways. She’s no good as a woman. sheesh.

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td-are you planning on beating up the little woman?

That would mean less time on those Menz R Oppressed! websites, so he’s really torn. Poor fella.

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If you wanna die…..

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The best choice is 80% plus of the time custody goes to the mother in divorce cases and the father has absolutely no rights in out of wedlock births. This system can not be maintained if we now wants total equal rights.

Well, maybe the fathers need better legal representation in court or something. You just can’t say, “Hey, I’m a man” and expect to be father of the year. You’ve gotta show yourself to be parenting material. In the traditional family, the mother has always been the nurturer and the father was the bread winner. You can’t get mad at a system that’s too slow to adapt to changing society. Most people can’t adapt to how quickly roles and such are changing, so I wouldn’t expect the court system to be on the cutting edge.

Personally, I’ve known more than a few single fathers raising kids, so I don’t quite have the same outlook on this as you do. Most of what I’ve seen is that the custodial parent is usually the more nurturing of the two and the bread winner is there to support the family.

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Certainly. One look at Hillary, and the enemies turn into stone. Just have to make sure her fellow soldiers don’t look at her either and suffer the same fate.

This is when you know you’ve won the argument.

When they resort to this.

This is why we are winning.

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Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 24th, 2013
3:11 pm
RWE, possession of an unregistered firearm is a crime. Can you comprehend that? the story you linked suggests that the entire case is under investigation.

yes, i comprehend that. my point though is if the man had done nothing the kid would have died. instead of focusing on that issue the dimlibs are going after whether his gun was legal or not. as we’ve already seen with david gregory, maybe he just had it for demonstration purposes.

or as i see it….a gun (you know those evil things dimlibs hate) save the life of a kid. now if diane frankenstein had her way this guy wouldn’t have had a gun and the kid would have died or been seriously mauled.

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Hollywood casting couldn’t have come up with a more prototypical Republican senator if they had a national 12 city tour to find this anal pouched lipped, tight ass. Ron Johnson was like a child showing off in that no respect, tough guy in makeup and tights, who both sides found wanting in his questions and grand standing to the FOX Network shamelessly.

Clinton ate his lunch, was there before he came and will be there after he leaves. The real questions of what kind of cable communication was used or how did she learn about this action was never asked. Beating up Hillary wins points in the smaller and smaller circle of Republicans and Johnson wanted his. No other purpose, which is why this Congress is so bogged down in the first place. Too much showboating and not enough real work getting done.

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Don’t know about Hillary, I’m not sure she has the “head” for it; I’m sure Bill does, however.

Now seriously, I’ve been there (Nam 1968 607MP Company). At the time I was 6′5″ 235 Lbs. As a “grunt” i.e. first line solder one of the things that is paramount is confidence in your fellow solder. If you are wounded in combat he has to be able to assist you (and you him) in getting you out of harms way, including being able to carry/drag you to a place of aid. The physical training of basic training weeded out those who could not meet the test. Can a 5′4″ 110 lb woman do that? Not any that I know.

Number 2 – I worked my last 24 years for the USAF as a civilian Crew Commander and I can tell you that putting young men and women of teens to twenties in close combat situations with all the hormones involved made the job 10 times worst that when we had an all male combat arm.
Let me give you just one of the examples. We has a Female Capt.(married with children) in our unit who was having a torrid affair with one of our married Tech sergeants. Everyone knew of the affair, they even sent explicit love letters through official e-mail (really stupid!). The Sgt’s wife stormed into our Col.’s office one day threatening to call in the JA office if he didn’t make them stop. Talk about a bind, he had told both to knock off the affair or be court marshaled. That is the kind of thing that happens with a mixed force.
We also had a really cute little 5′ airman assigned to my crew. I mean drop dead gorgeous, and she knew it and played it, even in uniform. The guys in my unit were all tripping over their +++++ to get her to sleep with them rather that paying attention to their assigned jobs. I finally had to get the col to transfer her elsewhere to get my guys back thinking about doing their jobs!
Can women do most of the jobs in the modern military? yes.
Does a mixed force make doing the job (as a commander) harder? yes

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Given the use of technology which is trending upward fast, in our military, it seems this question of who gets to be in the line of fire won’t be important for long.

It wouldn’t be important at all if our overall foreign policy evolves around the worlds most ridiculously overreaching “defense” (seems like since WWII…it’s been “offense”) which underpins any comment we have to foreign countries.

Bring them all home..now. No immediate security threat to us, no need to lose MORE lifes whether gay, female, purple, green..

We should all be ashamed about our arrogance in leadership and in dealing with the rest of the world.

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Common sense would tell you that she has been a horrible SOS. The Middle East is more volatile. Leaders of Middle Eastern countries are more corrupt and America haters. She failed miserably for not doing her job reading the cables that told of possible violence that might occur.

To her credit though she traveled more than any SOS in history….

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Aquagirl

January 24th, 2013
3:26 pm

td-are you planning on beating up the little woman?

That would mean less time on those Menz R Oppressed! websites, so he’s really torn. Poor fella.

Just proof that you do not believe in true equality of the sexes.

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Brosephus™

January 24th, 2013
3:27 pm

Seems to me that whever the kids go, both parents need to remain heavily involved in parenting afterwards..unless mitigating circumstances are present.

Fatherless or motherless kids are at enormous risk of drugs, crime, and the like….to state the obvious of course.

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GT: Right, because who cares why four Americans died. That’s not important!

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Someone earlier said “Hillary stood by like a helpless child while Bill had affair, after affair, after affair”. Is that like the threesome thing you younger folks talk about sometimes? Lighten up folks, Hillary could be your grandmother or next President? Who knows? Bill back in White House, fun times return!

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Brosephus™

January 24th, 2013
3:30 pm

td

As to out of wedlock births, if the father wants rights, then he needs to put his name on the birth certificate. If he doesn’t claim his seed, he doesn’t deserve any rights at all.

If he is not married to the women then he does not have the right to put his name on the BC until he spends thousands of dollars to get into a court and have a judge rule that he is the father.

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If we are going to have equality between the sexes then it needs to be total equality and not one where one sex has to be given special protection over the other.

td is upset it isn’t open season on women any more. Gosh, you can’t even stalk a woman or rape your girlfriend nowadays without the government trampling your rights.

Won’t somebody think of teh poor menz?!?!?!

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Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 24th, 2013
3:27 pm
“Spoken like a true bigot Thulsa

Proceed.”

Is that all ya got? Try again boy.

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Doom: And by that you certainly weren’t referring to Bill Clinton were you?

No. Were you talking about Bill being weak and standing by Hillary in the post that I responded to?

As to fighting females, if one is versed in Aikido, they know how to use the bigger man’s weight, effort, and strength against him. There are women who practice jujitsu as well, and with the proper leverage on a lock or hold, no brute strength is going to help you. If one has an edged weapon and is well versed in fighting styles, you can use a person’s attacks against them and slice them to pieces. I can’t recall the name of the fighting style, but I’ve had a crash course in it, and my female sparring partner, who was well trained, would have sliced me up in seconds if we were really fighting.

I’m not going to claim that every female can do these things, but there are some females who have the mental and physical capacity to learn techniques that compliment their sizes and use them to their advantage.

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td good to hear you wouldn’t hit your wife, if she is like mine she would hit you back. Equality is about respect, so what you are saying if a Congressman from South Carolina can scream liar in a speech by the President of the United States why should the Senate not be allowed the same red neck manners in a s Senate hearing. Like I say I am glad you don’t hit your wife, a man needs one thing to hang his hat on that says he is a gentleman.

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oldguy
” At the time I was 6′5″ 235 Lbs.Can a 5′4″ 110 lb woman do that? Not any that I know.’

At the time, I was 5-10, 160 lbs and I’m not sure I could’ve done that.

That’s why in the 150 yard man carry, you partnered with someone of comparable size.

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“If he doesn’t claim his seed, he doesn’t deserve any rights at all.”

And probably not even then

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“The one real concern that I have about women in combat roles is that if they are captured, odds are pretty good that they will be sexually assaulted by their captors, and that is a terrible thing to have happen to them”

So is any other kind of torture. If ANYONE enters a combat group and isn’t prepared for what MIGHT happen to them if captured, they don’t belong there. Man OR Woman

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liberals are CHICKEN LITTLES
and have NO SHAME

Bjorn Lomborg: Climate-Change Misdirection
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323485704578258172660564886.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

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The independent panel said there were security shortfalls, Hilary acknowledged as much, accepted the responsibility, and began implementing the panel’s recommendations.

The Ambassador, being an experienced diplomat in that part of the world, should have known better than to put himself and staff in that position. Since he wasn’t normally in Benghazi, the planned attack and its attackers must have had advance notice.

That should be the focus.

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if women do not have special protections then men will beat them up and rape them.

I wasn’t aware you considered laws “special protection.” We’ve treated threats like “I’m gonna rob this bank” quite seriously. “I’m gonna kill you b!tch” hasn’t been treated the same.

If you have the attitude everyone–businesses, women, men, children, and house pets—should arm themselves and deal with situations personally, Somalia is ready when you are.

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Would you want Hillary in your foxhole?
Absolutely- she would scare the bejesus out of the living and the non living. The human and the inhumane.

I hear from my inside sources in the Beltway that based on Armstrong and Te’o public acknowledgement of guilt that water boarding is now out and Oprah and Couric are in charge of all interrogations including al qaeda.

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Apparently, it takes very little to impress some liberals.

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“Apparently, it takes very little to impress some liberals”

That’s ok, it’s a fair trade. It takes very little to con the cons

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straitroad — “Apparently, it takes very little to impress some liberals.”

Well, you’re certainly in luck, then!

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“they still have foxholes, it’s where the Marines shield themselves while they are fixing the bayonet to their rifles, but Obama wouldnt know that would he ?”

He probably watches them kill like he did with obl.

I would.

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Thomas: Republicans- war on women Democrats- war with women hmmm. hard to decide”

“I’m a lover, not a fighter” – makes it easy?

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Brocephus,

I will say one thing about fighting females and then I gotta run out to a couple of different appointments. I do wonder if they literally teach female air marshalls and other women to go straight for those balls. The reason is I have a 5 year old niece who literally has me in fear sometimes when I’m home. Reason being on more than one occasion she has jumped on me and accidentally driven a knee straight into the boys. I figure that if a 5 year old 40 lber or whatever she weighs can incapacitate a grown man for a minute or 2 then it would be easy to train a 100 lb female to drive those fists or knees straight into the boys. That’s the only way I can see a female consistently keeping the upper hand on a man for a full minute or several minutes. God knows if it works for a 5 year old it would work better for a grown woman than any judo or other mma type skills.

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Who in the heck is Ryan Teague Beckwith?

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I’d rather be in a hole with a fox with a hole. Wonder what Bookman did to merit a trip to the principal’s office?

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CHEESY

Don’t mess with no Gurkha…just sayin…

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A lot of talk about women captives being raped…but… Abu Gharib?

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Curious,
Yes, but on the battlefield you are not paired by size, you are assigned by squad. If you will check the qualification in basic training now has been “eased” so that women will not be rejected. The same thing holds true for the physical qualifications for firefighters. I’m sorry but it makes it more dangerous for everyone else, and, speaking from a Viet Nam experience, the one imperative of a combat solder is to come back alive.

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then it would be easy to train a 100 lb female to drive those fists or knees straight into the boys.

My goodness, we’re sending a bunch of vulnerable men out onto the battlefield. One nut$hot and they’re incapable of fighting. I propose we restrict combat arms to women who can kick men in the b@lls with 80% accuracy or above!

I know I’d sure love to see that in Afghanistan. Put the highlights on the news every evening and we might be there for the next hundred years.

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Doom

The ladies I know never went for the “boys” when we were training together. Some of the stuff they showed me left me awestruck. We taught them some of the techniques we use that could be adapted to their environment, and they taught us some things that we may be able to adapt. Let’s just say that I will never get the itch to act a fool on a flight, especially if I think any one of them is sitting inside that plane with me.

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Might want to double check that on Jessica Lynch.

I did. What I read said that her biographer pressured her into including the passages about being raped in her biography. I didn’t search everywhere, but I couldn’t find any instances of her saying that herself. I recall the reporter who was assaulted, but to her credit/discredit, she’s not a trained instrument of government “compliance”.

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Not to be crude but how would a woman handle her “cycle?”

They’ll be even tougher and more hair trigger? I imagine they could take an entire country by themselves. No kicking… Imagine an army of Lorena Bobbits!

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Fred is scared of the PMS battalions.

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Not to be crude but how would a woman handle her “cycle?”

Honestly, how old ARE you?

Well, she can handle it like EVERY OTHER WOMAN in the military and around the world…..by preparing for it.

PS: How do men handle their morning hardwood when they are in combat situations? Do they each “salute” each other and take care of their buddies? Just wondering…….

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Violent woman may be the new thing.

Huh? You don’t know MY wife………

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I do wonder as we see more and more woman going into combat if we will see more going to prison or showing up in school yards after they flipped their wigs. So far that hasn’t happen but who knows. Violent woman may be the new thing.

The best way to judge is to look at survivors from the wars/upheaval in Africa/S. America where they have child soldiers who are forced to kill their whole families in order to save themselves. Some turn into sociopaths, some don’t.

Another way to look at it is to look at the women from various wars who have been raped and brutalized by the “winning side” when they hit that woman’s town/village. Some women turned to drugs to dull the pain of the memory, and some turned their pain into action and are organizing to try to stop things like this.

I mean, let’s get real here — women in combat is NOT a new thing. In the history of the world nor in the history of the US. There have been lots of women, on the front lines, in various wars; they survived and lived to tell their stories.

I think some are just making MORE of this then they need to. IMO.

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DebbieDoRight – Minister Of Propaganda

January 24th, 2013
4:19 pm

I have no problem with equality in the military and women in combat positions but if we are striving for true equality then it must be equality across the board. In the court room in custody matters, in not affording one sex a special protected

Ummmm let’s just work on getting women equal pay for equal work first. Then we can move on to the next step!

Either you accept premise of true equality or you do not. Do you are do you not think that these special rights written for benefits should be done away with now since women are now considered equal in the most hostile environment in the world?

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Anybody who has any questions about women in front line combat need only read any of a number of accounts of the Soviet women soldiers in the Great Patriotic War or any of the Partisan movements…

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Hillary Clinton successfully faces down angry senators, prompting Leon Panetta to realize that women can be good in combat.

I have no problem with women in combat unless their single mothers. THAT’S a no-go for me.

From what I saw of Hillary’s protestation, it was nothing more than the typical female ploy. What man, when trying to solve a problem, hasn’t seen a woman come back with “I don’t wanna talk about it?” That’s essentially what Hillary did….avoid the unpleasantness of conflict….a cut and run, if you will.

She AND Bill disappoint. They’re coming off as lackeys.

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Make that “their” they’re.

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We didn’t have showers and baths and other things that I’m under the impression women need to be healthy as they bleed out. I asked legitimate questions and got the expected dumbass reply.

That “dumbass reply” is courtesy of a woman who spent plenty of time in the field. We didn’t have showers or baths either. Nobody died. Nobody got medevaced or sidelined or cried so their mascara ran and ruined the camouflage on their face.

Sounds like you have formed your impressions from Chickenhawks like Newt Gingrich rather than actual women in the military.

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NO

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Recon — “the fact is what Herridge reported turned out to be true.”

No, it hasn’t. Herridge needs to trot out her “unimpeachable source.” Lacking that, she’s a full of it as you seem to think Jay is.

Just to clarify, what I just said to you is colloquially known on the web as “Pics or GTFO.”

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DDR: Even though I grew up with sisters, and have been married for 20 years there are STILL some things I never delved too deeply in lol. I understand in a normal role there would be no problems, nor in anything like a woman combat pilot (I THINK there are studies that show women have faster reflexes and can handle higher G’s and make better combat pilots but I’m not sure). I also know women, like men are very athletic or not according to the person and don’t have any doubt’s about them being able to perform the physical or emotional aspect of combat any better or worse than an equal random sample of men.

I just wonder about extreme harsh conditions that special ops unit’s undergo. I don’t want to be graphic, but don’t you have to change them things occasionally? Sometimes we went days without a break or an opportunity to do something like that. Or is it not such a big health issue as I was lead to believe? THAT would be my only concern. In 99% or military jobs, even combat arms, that wouldn’t be an issue. But in Spec ops? I think it might be.

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D. DoRight — “If she’s dropped off in the bush, she should be prepared — she should expect her “friend” to come a-calling and bring the necessary supplies.”

I heard one of the drill sergeants in boot camp say that they pushed female trainees to drink lots of water in order to stave off UTIs. Does that agree with your experience?

“And if she’s a woman who doesn’t have a “regular cycle” or if she doesn’t want a period for months at a time, there are shots and/or pills to combat that. no pun intended.”

Ayup. I recall hearing that the implant-style BC device that came out in the 90s was the first such method recommended for women in uniform. I think it backed periods off to once every 90 days or some such.

I can see the utility of that if you’re a female soldier or Marine.

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Aquagirl

January 24th, 2013
4:39 pm

We didn’t have showers and baths and other things that I’m under the impression women need to be healthy as they bleed out. I asked legitimate questions and got the expected dumbass reply.

That “dumbass reply” is courtesy of a woman who spent plenty of time in the field. We didn’t have showers or baths either. Nobody died. Nobody got medevaced or sidelined or cried so their mascara ran and ruined the camouflage on their face.

Sounds like you have formed your impressions from Chickenhawks like Newt Gingrich rather than actual women in the military.
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I saw the “harsh” conditions you REMF ass women had in Desert Storm. Wah Wah. Don’t tell ME about the military missy especially not combat arms. I never went back to the rear where you REMF’s were and there wasn’t hot cooked meals and shower points, so don’t try to sound like you are John Wayne, because you weren’t. Maybe in your MIND you were, but you weren’t. Hell, Women weren’t even allowed to pull guard duty at Jump School………….. or in the rear.

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Thomas — “They can but men have the ability to mentally control the rape so that it is not a true rape experience according to a study done by Todd Akin.”

Since it’s not a “legitimate rape,” the male body has ways of shutting that whole thing down.

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Well now I understand why Ned Beatty never “really objected” in Deliverance.

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JHM- exactly- I actually overcame cancer following the Todd Akin “seven ways to shut down those nasty cancer cells program” He is one amazing dude.

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Joe: I heard one of the drill sergeants in boot camp say that they pushed female trainees to drink lots of water in order to stave off UTIs. Does that agree with your experience?

Could be true — I’ve never heard of it though. I’ll have to ask some friends about that one.
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Fred: but don’t you have to change them things occasionally?

OMG Fred!! You are such a breath of fresh air!!

Sometimes we went days without a break or an opportunity to do something like that. Or is it not such a big health issue as I was lead to believe? THAT would be my only concern.

Fred, FYI when they go to the “bushes” to use the bathroom, they can change those suckers then. AND they can warm some water in the Kevlar helmets and give themselves a “field bath” if needed.

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I’m gonna make Hillary an honorary native.
She walked out of that room with a few scalps in her hand.

And I’d whole lot rather have her in the foxhole than
any chickenhawk neo-con.

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Just back from a commune meeting.

How’s the smart bunch doing today?

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“…I understand why Ned Beatty never “really objected” in Deliverance”

hey, I saw that documentary on Georgia Public Broadcasting

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They can but men have the ability to mentally control the rape so that it is not a true rape experience according to a study done by Todd Akin.

Too funny!

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Women with PMS make good desert fighters. They are mean as hell, and they retain water.

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Also of note — women pirates. Back in the day there were quite a few women pirates who masqueraded as men. they fought and died alongside their crew and most of the men didn’t even know that they were women.

most famous woman pirates were:

Anne Bonny (1719-1720) Female Pirate of the Caribbean

Mary Read – Famous English Female Pirate of the Caribbean

Lady Killigrew (1530-1570)

Jacquotte Delahaye – Female Pirate of the Caribbean

Anne Dieu-le-veut – Female Pirate of the Caribbean

Charlotte de Berry – Woman pirate

http://www.elizabethan-era.org.uk/famous-women-pirates.htm

Grace O’Malley – Famous Irish woman pirate who commanded three galleys and 200 men

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I don’t know what this Kathy Red Herring alledged, but if it was reported solely by Faux News, you gotta figure it is nothing more than made up BS for the America haters…

KUDOS TO MIKE LUCOVICH!

My new name for the Georgia GOP – the Potted Plant Party!

http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/2013/01/23/0124-luckovich-cartoon-chips-new-job/?cxntfid=blogs_mike_luckovich

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Women in combat?

Sure as long as it’s my ex-wife

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C. Sense — “Sure as long as it’s my ex-wife”

HOOAH

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Aquagirl: You are an idiot sometimes. A COT? Heaven. I was Spec ops. We did things you can’t even imagine so like I said, don’t try to tell me about your harrowing military service. Sometimes you can be a jackass. This is one of these times. You have put words in my mouth and attributed thoughts and Ideas to me that are false. Try reading the black stuff on the posts I made. THOSE are my words. read them all before jumping off half assed with ignorant assumptions.

Thank you, have a nice day. Your input on this subject to me is not needed. You added nothing useful anyways.

Buh Bye.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFvU3T7eruA

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A totally stupid argument to have about women in combat, their hormones , cycles and all that nonsense. As one who has trained women in a bootcamp setting, they are well capable. What’s so difficult about having sanitary products in their gear should they need it just like ammo or water? It’s no more inconvenient than having to take a dump. You DO have to wipe your ass right? If you don’t because the scene is hot then so be it. Who cares? I can tell you first hand that when the situation dictates military women work just as hard physically and give less of a damn about the hygiene stuff as the men do.

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As long as she can help me dig the d@mn thing! And I’m not turning my head when she takes a who res bath out of her steel pot.

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The Republicans are just highly p*ssed off that Osama Bin Laden is at the bottom of the Indian Ocean.

it would be MUCH better for them if he was still alive.

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Hot water? Hell to the naw. Wet wipes, AKA ‘hoar bath.’

Hmmm you Fred, Jam and Jackie are supplying me with a lot of “real world” information. I’m trying to write a short story.

Its gonna be about a futuristic kill-bot female who was born and bred as an Army assassin. I figure I can get a few lines down and then get my friend who’s an amateur cartoonist to draw it for me.

You guys have given me LOTS of background for the plot! Thanks!

DISCLAIMER: You will however, not receive a dime. Sorry.

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“Now that one takes the cake…”

Some will surely want cake or some other munchies after the “puff puff pass”

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It was just last year that Rick Santorum said, “I do have concerns about women in front line combat… people naturally may do things that may not be in the interests of the mission because of other types of emotions that are involved.”

I think Fred is a good demonstration why men shouldn’t be in combat…they’re too emotional. Maybe it’s their hormone cycles or something.

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Ask them about the topic and see exactly what they have to say about it, Voter.

If not so pathetic and ODS demented their replies would be a real stitch.

DDR, good luck! I love Fembots. (But only in a platonic kind of way, in case those jugs go off by mistake during arousal!)

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Keep, LOL! Hate the game, not the players.

You Yankee haters are all alike, my brother!

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“While we’re at it, women should play in the NFL, NBA and MLB.”

Why not, if they’ve got what it takes…

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I would like to be in a hot tub with Bill and Hillary!

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I would like to be in a hot tub with Bill and Hillary!

DG why? Why? WHY? The freaking visual DG the freaking VISUAL of those words have made me loose my desire to eat.

You could’ve waited DG — you could’ve waited until I had totally signed off before you posted that. Now, thanks to you, I will be having nightmares for the rest of the week.

Bill AND Hillary in a damn hot tub?!?!

God will get you for that one DG — God will get you for that……….

(shiver)

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DOGGONE

Eeeeewwww…just eeewwww…

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Does this mean women will have to register with the selective service like men? (age 18).

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Recon — “JHM, Has all the answers like the Benghazi attack was not a well coordinated terrorist attack it just somehow got out of control while the peaceful libyan muslims were demonstrating against an anti-muslim video.”

It’s a shame when an American military veteran like Recon has to stoop to lying, but there it is. Recon knows I’ve said no such thing.

“He knows this to be true because Jay said it was true soon after this incident occurred.”

Once again, it’s a shame when an American military veteran like Recon has to stoop to lying, but there it is. Recon knows I’ve said no such thing.

“JHM hasn’t heard that even Hilliary Clinton admits that the original story was incorrect and it was indeed a well planned and executed military style attack.”

What do you think you know about what I’ve heard, Champ? You got you mindreading software up and running? (laughing)

“Catherine Herridge of Fox News reported same the day following the attack”

Which doesn’t make her reportage any more accurate. Anyone can *guess.* Once again, who’s her “unimpeachable source?” Or do you just automatically believe whatever she says because she’s on FNC?

“Why do I need to provide you sources when the facts show her reporting was correct.”

Because even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

“Geez I’d give you guys an A for persistence but it would be over ridden by an F for ignorance.”

That’s okay. I’m going to give you an A in Dishonesty, an A in Swallowing Propaganda and an A in Useful Tool-ism. Won’t your family be proud of you?

You know, Recon, that source of hers just might make us shut up. Then again, he might be as unreliable as “Curveball” was for the Bush Administration. You sure you want to buy what a mystery man says?

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Women in combat?

That’s a tough one. I’d like to hear the opinion of combat veteran officers about that, not social engineers. But they would have be retired since O’bozo would have them in charge of the PX in Hoboken if they dared refute The One.

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Sure, they use bayonets….right after they dismount from their horses.

Keep…. Please don’t use speedo and butt in the same sentence. Now I have an image in my head that will keep me up all night and not in a good way!

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sink

You got a problem with hoboken???

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Somebody tell 13, the 1950s are over, OK?

Which is more incongruous? Hillary in a foxhole or the following?

Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, Rick Perry, Michelle Bachmann, Tim Pawlenty, Gary Johnson, Thaddeus McCotter, Mike Huckabee, Fred Thompson, Alan Keyes and Rudy Giuliani.

Given those choices, ‘d take Hillary and give you all of those others!

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Personally, I don’t understand the fawning over Hillary. There has been no progress in the middle east, which is not saying much except things are probably worse now between the Israel and the Palestinians. Things with Russia are definitely worse, where they have even shut down US adoptions. Iran is progressing with uranium enrichment, and North Korea is planning on conducting nuclear testing. There is nothing to be heard of “Six Party” talks. So exactly where has the State Department done anything of any consequence?

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Hadn’t seen this addressed yet so I’ll offer it. Was listening to the news and it turns out General Dempsey, Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, otherwise known as the President’s senior military advisor, said they’d been grappling with an terrible number of rapes and sexual harassment incidents. One of the things they’ve found is that they’d allowed to develop an attitude of ‘warrior’ (combat arms) vs ‘everybody else.,’ which was not only bad for unit cohesion, but combined with with the policy of excluding women from the combat professions, directly contributed to the culture that condoned harassment and rape. One reason for dropping the exclusions was to assist in putting an end to the criminal conduct.

Personally, I’ll give the opinion of the serving Chairman more weight than the opinions of people who served 40 years ago in a different world who seem to offer up the same old objections for nearly every proposed change that’s come along.

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Recon:

“She let 4 of her people get killed through negligence. In the military she’d be court marshaled.”

You’re a Marine, and you really said that? After what you know about the General Staff’s commands from WWI, WWII, especially MacArthur’s staff from Korea, from the idiots running Vietnam, and you said that? Look, I think she’s no better than any other lying politician, but you really said: “… In the military she’d be court marshaled.? REALLY????? I could stop here, but I gotta pile on with that remark and include: the idiots running the Iraq “war” sending out search squads in Hummers “trolling for IEDs” and increasing the numbers of causalities 100_fold???? REALLY????!!!

Man you’ve gone over to the dark side here

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I think we all can envision scenarios where hardships in a combat zone occur, and wonder whether women possess the physical skill to perform basic skills.

For example, a true story!

Jammie was cleaning the officer latrines just outside Saigon back in the late sixties, achieving this duty based on his competence scores. He tripped on his shovel, hit his head on the toilet seat, then passed out with his head under the sludge.

Prompt action was needed to save him from drowning. A brave young PFC, upon hearing a gurgling sound, rushed into action and was able pull Jammie’s face out of the muck, thereby saving him to clean latrines another day.

Would a women have the strength to accomplish such an heroic act?

I’m kinda thinking Jammie’s stench would have caused them to remember they were late for PT.

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Hell, Bill doesn’t even want her in his foxhole.

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Poor Andy Aesop I Report Sinkus.

He has been getting his juvenile ass kicked on AJC forums since the Luckovich days.

I mean an asskicking so hard he was banned from ML’s for five months! You have got to be one industrial strength dirtball to accomplish that feat!

So the old lonely fool has one modus operandi – bitterness and Jammie obsession.

Which is why I laugh at him most of the time…

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Obama’s 47% (4 more years of punish success, reward failure)

Now there’s a winning moniker!

For non-Republicans…

Excellent job, meat!

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“Why don’t you tell us all about your time in the military?”

I really don’t discuss myself on blogs.

But thanks for asking!

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No. She is not concerned with others nearly as much as she is herself, he career and playing the political game. That being said she would leave me to die and save herself. The deaths in Bengazi are on her head. NO WAY AROUND THAT I DO NOT CARE HOW YOU TRY TO SPIN IT. A FAILURE IN LEADERSHIP AND JOB RESPONSIBILITY AND WHEN SHE WAS ON THE HOT SEAT AND IT WAS SCORCHING…SHE RESULTED TO DRAMATICS AND EMOTIONAL BS TO EVADE. WE LEARNED MUCH OF NOTHING AND INSTEAD OF COMING OUT WITH INTEGRITY AND LOOKING LIKE A PATRIOT BY TELLING EVERYTHING WE THE PEOPLE DESRVED TO KNOW, WE DIDNT LEARN MUCH ABOUT THE TIMELINE AND WHO KNEW WHAT AND WHEN AND SCORES OF VITAL QUESTIONS. SHE PLAYED ACTRESS WELL AND WAS ELUDED AN D DODGED TELLING THE FACTS. WHY SHE WASNT ON THE TV SHOWS INSTEAD OF RICE, WHY SECURITY WAS CUT WHEN IT WAS ASKED TO BE INCREASED, WHY THE VIDEO BLAME CRAP. I HEAR THEIR MIGHT BE ARMS SALES TO TURKEY INVOLVED WITH LIBYA AND THEY DID ALL THEY COULD TO DIVERT ATTENTION FROM THAT AT ALL COSTS INCLUDING DUPING AND LIEING TO THE PEOPLE WHOTHEY SERVE…..HILLARYS TRUE COLORS CAME OUT YESTERDAY AND IN BENGAZI…SHES NOT A PATRIOT OR PUBLIC SERVANT. SHES ALL ABOUT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT COVERING HER BACKSIDE….HER FIRST IMPORTANT JOB AND SHE FAILED HORRIFICALLY. PEOPLE DIED BECAUSE OF HER LACK OF INTEREST OR TERRIBLE DECISION MAKING IN THE HOTTEST SPOT IN THE WORLD WHEN IT CAME TO DOING HER JOB! ON 9/11?!! SEVERAL ATTACKS BEFOREHAND? ALL OTHER EMBASSIES CLOSED EXCEPT OURS AND WE REDUCE SECURITY?!!!! IMMEDIATLEY BEFORE 9/11? WHATS BEHIND THAS? WE STILL DONT KNOW!

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Sinkwich

“I really don’t discuss myself on blogs.”

Are you the guy with his own business and over a hundred employees who makes more than anyone here? That guy who doesn’t discuss himself?

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no frigging way she is a failure as secretary of state she obviously is not a very goood wife because bill has get so much strange she had files in her office from law firm other than the fact she is the reason the ax dont tell in the military in bills 1st term so she back the gay community for not outing her

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Yes, sleeveless desert fatigues . For that gal that wants to bare arms while she bears arms.

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td

Only if you raise taxes enough to accommodate the expanded government bureaucracy.

headin’ out, pleasant evening, all -

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“Are you the guy with his own business and over a hundred employees who makes more than anyone here? That guy who doesn’t discuss himself?”

Uh, no.

You have described pretty much every lib ilk posting here who has a point to make about the economy since O’bozo’s coming.

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I think Obama is the Bomb!

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Paul,
When you talk about taking the word of people like Dempsey I have to assume you were not in the military. Anyone who makes a promotion beyond 2 star General is, by definition a politician. To reach the higher level of rank they have to have political sponsors and they function in a political atmosphere. They are so far removed from to front line troop and what he does its ridiculous. Also, any company level combat experience they have is in our time frame (VietNam).
Josef,
Read the stories of Soviet Female troops from the German side. They were routinely turned over to the SS and executed, or worse. What do you think al qaeda would do with female POWs.

For those of you who don’t think physical standards would be reduced because of females just look at what was done to basic training standards when women were allowed to serve and train in regular units. The day of “Boots on the ground” is not and never will be a thing of the past.

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And they did nothing Getalife absolutely nothing but watch them die!

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Hillary already has a guy in the foxhole with her. Some guy named Ben Ghazi I believe.

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Since they all want equality and “front-and-center- attention”, here’s an idea. If another war breaks out over there(everybody knows where “over there” is) let’s put all the females and gays on the front line. Kill two birds with one shot(pun intended).

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“Even Jay has had to kick his creepy ass all over this forum more than a few times.”

Me?

You are confused.

I guess bringing up that unfortunate incident from so long ago has caused some of your synapses to fire more slowly than usual, if that’s possible.

But hey, I’m no MD.

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This is all about “Equality on the Battlefield” vs. “Effectiveness on the Battlefield”.

As a result, soldiers will die who did not have to ………… but liberals really don’t care about that.

Can a woman shoot a rifle and be in the infantry? Sure! That’s not the point. The point is can she do it as well as a man and the answer is flat no. It’s a question of satisfactory vs. best.

For example ………. the NVA and V.C. were darn good fighters but they were no match for soldiers or Marines in hand to hand combat. In that kind of combat size does matter (just ask Notre Dame what they thought of Alabama).

A perfect example is sports …………. and you don’t see women in the NFL. Why not have equality?
Two women on each team at all times …………. the game would still be “equal” but not the same caliber of play.

Well, combat is more deadly than any sport and foolish people have decided we don’t want the best units that can be trained and put in the field.

Sad but true ……………….

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0311@ 7:43

Good points…the only place where women are equal in combat is the hollywood movie. However, in real life why is it really important that women need to be in combat? Whats next, will men be demanding to have babies???

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JHM,

can’t explain why Herridge’s version proved correct and the W.H. version proved wrong, either intentionally or unintentionally. I’ll choose the former either, but that’s the only part of my posts on this subject that’s speculative.

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Me, personally,

I don’t think Hill would make it to lunch time.

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@Recon

I agree with the fact that if they can not meet the physical requirements of the job they are seeking, they do not belong.

However, if all the current requirements are met by the women, there is no problem with putting them in a combat unit. I do not believe women have enough physical stamina to be members of special forces.

To add to that argument, women have been pilots for many years without the standards being lower for them to compete.

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On face value I’m not concerned with what Pantynetta and Dempsey Dumpsey did with women in combat. The fact is that 99.9% would not make it into the infantry or special operations as combatants anyway. Beyond that what I am concerned about is all of this social re-engineering, multiple combat tours with nothing to show for it after all these years of loss. All of this because of politics not unlike Vietnam that will seriously degrade our military at the worst of times. Few know of the tremendous rebuilding of our military post Vietnam and in every aspect that occurred during a time frame far more stable than what we face today. Fools in charge and those fools can potentially bring our country down.

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Sooth 7:35 -”This is simply the U.S./Israeli policy of eliminating any real opposition to Israeli policies.”

Yep, that’s all it is, nothing to do w/ Lockerbie, genocide, etc., etc., etc.!

“Gaddafi is yet another in the sequence of overthrows by our (and our extended) government of peaceful countries who were governed by non-secular governments and replaced with secular governments and chaos.”

Yep, that was a “peaceful” regime, if so peaceful, move there. ‘Cause this country is so dangerous.

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Dear ignorant, innocent, naive blog sheeple. Want to know what’s REALLY going on in Mali? Try reading this.

Dumbasses.

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@Orange

It is despicable that anyone has to fight a way, let alone be captured.
Having said all that, the commanders in the field do not want to loose any of their troops under any circumstances, regardless of gender.

So, if there is a mission to accomplish and this soldier is part of the unit charged with completing that mission, what choices are there?

If women have the physical qualifications to fill the position, let them participate. They know the risks!!

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That is why I think women in combat units should never be allowed.

That is what your right wing forebears said about them voting and holding positions of power in both the government and in the private sector.

But we rational, intelligent American progressives kind of rained on your little white men only parade though, didn’t we?

LOL.

And try as you might, the 1950s ain’t ever coming back.

So your beatings will continue…

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“What happened?”

The usual…………… NOTHING

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Faketriot and substantiate in the same sentence?!

That is funny.

When Rick Perry’s theory of we’re in an age of global cooling is substantiated.

(He is a Republican blogger and they do not do that. Ever.)

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“They want to do to Libya what they did to Iraq and what they are itching to do to Iran. They want to take back the oil, which was nationalized by these country’s revolutions. They want to re-establish military bases that were shut down by the revolutions and to install client regimes that will subordinate the country’s wealth and labor to imperialist corporate interests. All else is lies and deception.”

Many believe the NATO-led invasion of Libya was/is about oil and a vast wealth of other natural resources. Yet another critical element that few are aware of is the fact that Gaddafi had planned to introduce a single African currency made from gold. [Of this proposed African currency] Dr James Thring stated, “It’s one of these things that you have to plan almost in secret, because as soon as you say you’re going to change over from the dollar to something else, you’re going to be targeted … There were two conferences on this, in 1986 and 2000, organized by Gaddafi. … Most countries in Africa were keen.” This would have eradicated the US Dollar and Euro as trade currencies for Africa.

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Sooth – I believe that was 2 nights ago….oh, forget the facts, your typical MO. But since you’ve been in so much suspense, here ya go…..the prior administration started the Energy Policy Act 2005 – nope, no monies to Solyndra.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/nov/17/david-plouffe/solyndra-loan-george-w-bush-david-plouffe/

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Jackie,

Because combat brutality would reach a new level. Heck, it’s bad enough now. Why escalate it?

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USA Patriot: that was my contention to begin with. That the Solyndra project was started under George W. Bush. You, on the other hand, shifted the issue to one of funding.

When you think about it, $529 million (or whatever the F it was) is chump change compared to what our country spends on the military in 1 hour. Yet, the Fright-Wing fixates on this one issue.

And, the point is?

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Perhaps we can win more wars like Libya now.

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Little foolish men who couldn’t and didn’t contribute to building this great nation won’t ever be able to control it.

Recon, no need to put yourself down like that. Liberals and Progressives started this country, we’ll keep building it.

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…won’t ever be able to control it.

Maybe not, but wow!

You stuck in the past gang sure are on one helluva decades long losing streak, huh?

Liberalism in the United States is a broad political philosophy centered on the unalienable rights of the individual.

The origins of American liberalism lie in the political ideals of The Enlightenment. The Constitution of the United States of 1787 set up the first modern republic, with sovereignty in the people

LONG LIVE THE USA!

LONG LIVE OUR GOVERNMENT OF WE THE PEOPLE!

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jindal said you need to change everything about the gop.

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del,

You lost.

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Aquagirl, do NOT say Boo…. Recon is likely to start crying. You just ruin his blotivated self-image by pointing out the conclusion of his absurd claims.

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del is not taking the changes too well.

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Keep,

Are you honestly defending “Hanoi Aquagirl’s” lame comment?

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Keep up the poor fight, when it comes to a pathetic self- image all you need to do is look in the mirror.

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Well enough of slumming with the anti-American slime. Better things to do.

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jindal said you need to change everything about the gop.

And I suspect that will happen.

Around 2044 or so.

(Not that these guys are slow to learn from their mistakes or anything!)

Jindal: The GOP “might need to change just about everything”

Since the failed presidential election, the GOP has been grappling with identifying exactly what it is the party needs to work on most — diversity, social issues, and Latino outreach, or election mechanics and a flawed Romney candidacy/campaign? — or some combination thereof, and all of the issues are on the table for discussion at the Republican National Committee’s winter meeting in North Carolina. Keynote speaker and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, however, is going for a more overarching message in his address tonight: It’s time to “recalibrate the compass of conservatism,” stop focusing so much on Washington-centric politics, and start going for a message of inclusion and economic growth…

INCLUSION???

In the 90%+ white GOP?

ECONOMIC GROWTH???

These trickle downers?

Too funny.

Jindal is gonna have to pull a miraculous rabbit out of his hat. And he doesn’t have one…

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TaxPayer – LEADERS would do better in leadership roles in the military. The NATION NEEDS An intelligent LEADER as evidenced by the LIBERALS that frequent this blog. – Fixed it for ya!

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Jam,

I can’t wait to see what “change” they come up with.

cons hate change.

Should be fun.

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I would rather have Kate Upton stuck with me in my Foxhole. And hope its a very small,cramped Foxhole too.

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And hope its a very small,cramped Foxhole too.

You left out the steamy, wet, dampness of the jungle heat. And the Barry White soundtrack.

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…cons hate change.

Which is just friggin’ nuts.

Since change is the natural order of things.

(But only if you believe that quack Darwin!)

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