Would you want Hillary in your foxhole?

sink

You got a problem with hoboken???

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Somebody tell 13, the 1950s are over, OK?

Which is more incongruous? Hillary in a foxhole or the following?

Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, Rick Perry, Michelle Bachmann, Tim Pawlenty, Gary Johnson, Thaddeus McCotter, Mike Huckabee, Fred Thompson, Alan Keyes and Rudy Giuliani.

Given those choices, ‘d take Hillary and give you all of those others!

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Personally, I don’t understand the fawning over Hillary. There has been no progress in the middle east, which is not saying much except things are probably worse now between the Israel and the Palestinians. Things with Russia are definitely worse, where they have even shut down US adoptions. Iran is progressing with uranium enrichment, and North Korea is planning on conducting nuclear testing. There is nothing to be heard of “Six Party” talks. So exactly where has the State Department done anything of any consequence?

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Hadn’t seen this addressed yet so I’ll offer it. Was listening to the news and it turns out General Dempsey, Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, otherwise known as the President’s senior military advisor, said they’d been grappling with an terrible number of rapes and sexual harassment incidents. One of the things they’ve found is that they’d allowed to develop an attitude of ‘warrior’ (combat arms) vs ‘everybody else.,’ which was not only bad for unit cohesion, but combined with with the policy of excluding women from the combat professions, directly contributed to the culture that condoned harassment and rape. One reason for dropping the exclusions was to assist in putting an end to the criminal conduct.

Personally, I’ll give the opinion of the serving Chairman more weight than the opinions of people who served 40 years ago in a different world who seem to offer up the same old objections for nearly every proposed change that’s come along.

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Recon:

“She let 4 of her people get killed through negligence. In the military she’d be court marshaled.”

You’re a Marine, and you really said that? After what you know about the General Staff’s commands from WWI, WWII, especially MacArthur’s staff from Korea, from the idiots running Vietnam, and you said that? Look, I think she’s no better than any other lying politician, but you really said: “… In the military she’d be court marshaled.? REALLY????? I could stop here, but I gotta pile on with that remark and include: the idiots running the Iraq “war” sending out search squads in Hummers “trolling for IEDs” and increasing the numbers of causalities 100_fold???? REALLY????!!!

Man you’ve gone over to the dark side here

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I think we all can envision scenarios where hardships in a combat zone occur, and wonder whether women possess the physical skill to perform basic skills.

For example, a true story!

Jammie was cleaning the officer latrines just outside Saigon back in the late sixties, achieving this duty based on his competence scores. He tripped on his shovel, hit his head on the toilet seat, then passed out with his head under the sludge.

Prompt action was needed to save him from drowning. A brave young PFC, upon hearing a gurgling sound, rushed into action and was able pull Jammie’s face out of the muck, thereby saving him to clean latrines another day.

Would a women have the strength to accomplish such an heroic act?

I’m kinda thinking Jammie’s stench would have caused them to remember they were late for PT.

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Hell, Bill doesn’t even want her in his foxhole.

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Poor Andy Aesop I Report Sinkus.

He has been getting his juvenile ass kicked on AJC forums since the Luckovich days.

I mean an asskicking so hard he was banned from ML’s for five months! You have got to be one industrial strength dirtball to accomplish that feat!

So the old lonely fool has one modus operandi – bitterness and Jammie obsession.

Which is why I laugh at him most of the time…

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Obama’s 47% (4 more years of punish success, reward failure)

Now there’s a winning moniker!

For non-Republicans…

Excellent job, meat!

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“Why don’t you tell us all about your time in the military?”

I really don’t discuss myself on blogs.

But thanks for asking!

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No. She is not concerned with others nearly as much as she is herself, he career and playing the political game. That being said she would leave me to die and save herself. The deaths in Bengazi are on her head. NO WAY AROUND THAT I DO NOT CARE HOW YOU TRY TO SPIN IT. A FAILURE IN LEADERSHIP AND JOB RESPONSIBILITY AND WHEN SHE WAS ON THE HOT SEAT AND IT WAS SCORCHING…SHE RESULTED TO DRAMATICS AND EMOTIONAL BS TO EVADE. WE LEARNED MUCH OF NOTHING AND INSTEAD OF COMING OUT WITH INTEGRITY AND LOOKING LIKE A PATRIOT BY TELLING EVERYTHING WE THE PEOPLE DESRVED TO KNOW, WE DIDNT LEARN MUCH ABOUT THE TIMELINE AND WHO KNEW WHAT AND WHEN AND SCORES OF VITAL QUESTIONS. SHE PLAYED ACTRESS WELL AND WAS ELUDED AN D DODGED TELLING THE FACTS. WHY SHE WASNT ON THE TV SHOWS INSTEAD OF RICE, WHY SECURITY WAS CUT WHEN IT WAS ASKED TO BE INCREASED, WHY THE VIDEO BLAME CRAP. I HEAR THEIR MIGHT BE ARMS SALES TO TURKEY INVOLVED WITH LIBYA AND THEY DID ALL THEY COULD TO DIVERT ATTENTION FROM THAT AT ALL COSTS INCLUDING DUPING AND LIEING TO THE PEOPLE WHOTHEY SERVE…..HILLARYS TRUE COLORS CAME OUT YESTERDAY AND IN BENGAZI…SHES NOT A PATRIOT OR PUBLIC SERVANT. SHES ALL ABOUT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT COVERING HER BACKSIDE….HER FIRST IMPORTANT JOB AND SHE FAILED HORRIFICALLY. PEOPLE DIED BECAUSE OF HER LACK OF INTEREST OR TERRIBLE DECISION MAKING IN THE HOTTEST SPOT IN THE WORLD WHEN IT CAME TO DOING HER JOB! ON 9/11?!! SEVERAL ATTACKS BEFOREHAND? ALL OTHER EMBASSIES CLOSED EXCEPT OURS AND WE REDUCE SECURITY?!!!! IMMEDIATLEY BEFORE 9/11? WHATS BEHIND THAS? WE STILL DONT KNOW!

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Sinkwich

“I really don’t discuss myself on blogs.”

Are you the guy with his own business and over a hundred employees who makes more than anyone here? That guy who doesn’t discuss himself?

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no frigging way she is a failure as secretary of state she obviously is not a very goood wife because bill has get so much strange she had files in her office from law firm other than the fact she is the reason the ax dont tell in the military in bills 1st term so she back the gay community for not outing her

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Yes, sleeveless desert fatigues . For that gal that wants to bare arms while she bears arms.

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td

Only if you raise taxes enough to accommodate the expanded government bureaucracy.

headin’ out, pleasant evening, all -

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“Are you the guy with his own business and over a hundred employees who makes more than anyone here? That guy who doesn’t discuss himself?”

Uh, no.

You have described pretty much every lib ilk posting here who has a point to make about the economy since O’bozo’s coming.

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I think Obama is the Bomb!

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Paul,
When you talk about taking the word of people like Dempsey I have to assume you were not in the military. Anyone who makes a promotion beyond 2 star General is, by definition a politician. To reach the higher level of rank they have to have political sponsors and they function in a political atmosphere. They are so far removed from to front line troop and what he does its ridiculous. Also, any company level combat experience they have is in our time frame (VietNam).
Josef,
Read the stories of Soviet Female troops from the German side. They were routinely turned over to the SS and executed, or worse. What do you think al qaeda would do with female POWs.

For those of you who don’t think physical standards would be reduced because of females just look at what was done to basic training standards when women were allowed to serve and train in regular units. The day of “Boots on the ground” is not and never will be a thing of the past.

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And they did nothing Getalife absolutely nothing but watch them die!

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Hillary already has a guy in the foxhole with her. Some guy named Ben Ghazi I believe.

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Since they all want equality and “front-and-center- attention”, here’s an idea. If another war breaks out over there(everybody knows where “over there” is) let’s put all the females and gays on the front line. Kill two birds with one shot(pun intended).

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“Even Jay has had to kick his creepy ass all over this forum more than a few times.”

Me?

You are confused.

I guess bringing up that unfortunate incident from so long ago has caused some of your synapses to fire more slowly than usual, if that’s possible.

But hey, I’m no MD.

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This is all about “Equality on the Battlefield” vs. “Effectiveness on the Battlefield”.

As a result, soldiers will die who did not have to ………… but liberals really don’t care about that.

Can a woman shoot a rifle and be in the infantry? Sure! That’s not the point. The point is can she do it as well as a man and the answer is flat no. It’s a question of satisfactory vs. best.

For example ………. the NVA and V.C. were darn good fighters but they were no match for soldiers or Marines in hand to hand combat. In that kind of combat size does matter (just ask Notre Dame what they thought of Alabama).

A perfect example is sports …………. and you don’t see women in the NFL. Why not have equality?
Two women on each team at all times …………. the game would still be “equal” but not the same caliber of play.

Well, combat is more deadly than any sport and foolish people have decided we don’t want the best units that can be trained and put in the field.

Sad but true ……………….

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0311@ 7:43

Good points…the only place where women are equal in combat is the hollywood movie. However, in real life why is it really important that women need to be in combat? Whats next, will men be demanding to have babies???

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JHM,

can’t explain why Herridge’s version proved correct and the W.H. version proved wrong, either intentionally or unintentionally. I’ll choose the former either, but that’s the only part of my posts on this subject that’s speculative.

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Me, personally,

I don’t think Hill would make it to lunch time.

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@Recon

I agree with the fact that if they can not meet the physical requirements of the job they are seeking, they do not belong.

However, if all the current requirements are met by the women, there is no problem with putting them in a combat unit. I do not believe women have enough physical stamina to be members of special forces.

To add to that argument, women have been pilots for many years without the standards being lower for them to compete.

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On face value I’m not concerned with what Pantynetta and Dempsey Dumpsey did with women in combat. The fact is that 99.9% would not make it into the infantry or special operations as combatants anyway. Beyond that what I am concerned about is all of this social re-engineering, multiple combat tours with nothing to show for it after all these years of loss. All of this because of politics not unlike Vietnam that will seriously degrade our military at the worst of times. Few know of the tremendous rebuilding of our military post Vietnam and in every aspect that occurred during a time frame far more stable than what we face today. Fools in charge and those fools can potentially bring our country down.

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Sooth 7:35 -”This is simply the U.S./Israeli policy of eliminating any real opposition to Israeli policies.”

Yep, that’s all it is, nothing to do w/ Lockerbie, genocide, etc., etc., etc.!

“Gaddafi is yet another in the sequence of overthrows by our (and our extended) government of peaceful countries who were governed by non-secular governments and replaced with secular governments and chaos.”

Yep, that was a “peaceful” regime, if so peaceful, move there. ‘Cause this country is so dangerous.

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Dear ignorant, innocent, naive blog sheeple. Want to know what’s REALLY going on in Mali? Try reading this.

Dumbasses.

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@Orange

It is despicable that anyone has to fight a way, let alone be captured.
Having said all that, the commanders in the field do not want to loose any of their troops under any circumstances, regardless of gender.

So, if there is a mission to accomplish and this soldier is part of the unit charged with completing that mission, what choices are there?

If women have the physical qualifications to fill the position, let them participate. They know the risks!!

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That is why I think women in combat units should never be allowed.

That is what your right wing forebears said about them voting and holding positions of power in both the government and in the private sector.

But we rational, intelligent American progressives kind of rained on your little white men only parade though, didn’t we?

LOL.

And try as you might, the 1950s ain’t ever coming back.

So your beatings will continue…

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“What happened?”

The usual…………… NOTHING

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Faketriot and substantiate in the same sentence?!

That is funny.

When Rick Perry’s theory of we’re in an age of global cooling is substantiated.

(He is a Republican blogger and they do not do that. Ever.)

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“They want to do to Libya what they did to Iraq and what they are itching to do to Iran. They want to take back the oil, which was nationalized by these country’s revolutions. They want to re-establish military bases that were shut down by the revolutions and to install client regimes that will subordinate the country’s wealth and labor to imperialist corporate interests. All else is lies and deception.”

Many believe the NATO-led invasion of Libya was/is about oil and a vast wealth of other natural resources. Yet another critical element that few are aware of is the fact that Gaddafi had planned to introduce a single African currency made from gold. [Of this proposed African currency] Dr James Thring stated, “It’s one of these things that you have to plan almost in secret, because as soon as you say you’re going to change over from the dollar to something else, you’re going to be targeted … There were two conferences on this, in 1986 and 2000, organized by Gaddafi. … Most countries in Africa were keen.” This would have eradicated the US Dollar and Euro as trade currencies for Africa.

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Sooth – I believe that was 2 nights ago….oh, forget the facts, your typical MO. But since you’ve been in so much suspense, here ya go…..the prior administration started the Energy Policy Act 2005 – nope, no monies to Solyndra.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/nov/17/david-plouffe/solyndra-loan-george-w-bush-david-plouffe/

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Jackie,

Because combat brutality would reach a new level. Heck, it’s bad enough now. Why escalate it?

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USA Patriot: that was my contention to begin with. That the Solyndra project was started under George W. Bush. You, on the other hand, shifted the issue to one of funding.

When you think about it, $529 million (or whatever the F it was) is chump change compared to what our country spends on the military in 1 hour. Yet, the Fright-Wing fixates on this one issue.

And, the point is?

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Perhaps we can win more wars like Libya now.

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Little foolish men who couldn’t and didn’t contribute to building this great nation won’t ever be able to control it.

Recon, no need to put yourself down like that. Liberals and Progressives started this country, we’ll keep building it.

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…won’t ever be able to control it.

Maybe not, but wow!

You stuck in the past gang sure are on one helluva decades long losing streak, huh?

Liberalism in the United States is a broad political philosophy centered on the unalienable rights of the individual.

The origins of American liberalism lie in the political ideals of The Enlightenment. The Constitution of the United States of 1787 set up the first modern republic, with sovereignty in the people

LONG LIVE THE USA!

LONG LIVE OUR GOVERNMENT OF WE THE PEOPLE!

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jindal said you need to change everything about the gop.

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del,

You lost.

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Aquagirl, do NOT say Boo…. Recon is likely to start crying. You just ruin his blotivated self-image by pointing out the conclusion of his absurd claims.

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del is not taking the changes too well.

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Keep,

Are you honestly defending “Hanoi Aquagirl’s” lame comment?

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Keep up the poor fight, when it comes to a pathetic self- image all you need to do is look in the mirror.

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Well enough of slumming with the anti-American slime. Better things to do.

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jindal said you need to change everything about the gop.

And I suspect that will happen.

Around 2044 or so.

(Not that these guys are slow to learn from their mistakes or anything!)

Jindal: The GOP “might need to change just about everything”

Since the failed presidential election, the GOP has been grappling with identifying exactly what it is the party needs to work on most — diversity, social issues, and Latino outreach, or election mechanics and a flawed Romney candidacy/campaign? — or some combination thereof, and all of the issues are on the table for discussion at the Republican National Committee’s winter meeting in North Carolina. Keynote speaker and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, however, is going for a more overarching message in his address tonight: It’s time to “recalibrate the compass of conservatism,” stop focusing so much on Washington-centric politics, and start going for a message of inclusion and economic growth…

INCLUSION???

In the 90%+ white GOP?

ECONOMIC GROWTH???

These trickle downers?

Too funny.

Jindal is gonna have to pull a miraculous rabbit out of his hat. And he doesn’t have one…

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TaxPayer – LEADERS would do better in leadership roles in the military. The NATION NEEDS An intelligent LEADER as evidenced by the LIBERALS that frequent this blog. – Fixed it for ya!

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