Barack Obama is not the source of GOP’s problems

The GOP is its own problem. Obama did not force them to become extremist crazies.

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Another excellent article Jay!! The Repubs have a hole so deep, it will take years for them to climb out!!

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“The truth is that most of the party’s problems are of its own making.

If Obama is trying to marginalize you as extremist, stop proving him right. If minority voters and female voters look at you with suspicion, stop giving them confirmation of their fears. If young people perceive you as being as out of date as a rotary-dial phone, stop trying to re-create the 1950s.”

EXACTLY!!

It’s time for Republicans to look at minorities as CONSTITUENTS rather than adversaries; it’s time for Republicans to look at reality and develop a cogent and ATTRACTIVE message; it’s time for the Tea Party to go into oblivion!

“In fact, their dismay is almost poignant, coming after years of scorched-earth politics from Republicans who were determined to make Obama’s destruction their No. 1 goal.”

Karma’s a b!tch…………….

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“There’s an odd tone of aggrievement in Boehner’s words, as if he can’t quite believe that Obama would actually dare to take advantage of Republican weakness, as if doing so were somehow unfair and unseemly.”

victimhood … the new GOP mantra

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Reasonable people can come to reasonable conclusions under reasonable conditions, unless you are a republican.

Spread the word.

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” All he needs to do is give them the opportunity to take another step in that direction and then sit back and watch them do it.”

exactly – when your opponent is self-immolating, the best course of action is to step back and let him.

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Yet another Liberal telling Republicans what they need to do.

Just be more like us and everything will be rosy. Right.

Obama won with just over 51% and only the second to do so. So what. Your and his policies are not the majority of Americans. You will see that with the gun vote.

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Republicans like to play the victim card.

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There certainly is an odd tone of aggrievement in Boehner’s tone. Like so many other Republicans, he was certain the country would come to it’s senses and get back to normal by putting a white man back into the White House. When this did not happen, shock and awe set in and he’s still suffering from post traumatic stress syndrome.

It’s almost sad to see so many Republicans suffering such devastating effects because of believing too much of their own propaganda.

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JohnnyReb

January 24th, 2013
9:05 am

Yet another Liberal telling Republicans what they need to do.
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I’d think they’d be grateful for the help…cause they haven’t been doing a bang up job on their own.

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Americans are having a national gun vote? Or is someone just shooting their mouth off?

Instead of truly working to see how they can attract more voters, the GOP is implementing every plan they can to suppress votes, to deny majority voters their rights and to steal elections. Basically, they seek to have taxation without representation. SO much for those founding father ideals they trot out.

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“Yet another Liberal telling Republicans what they need to do. Just be more like us and everything will be rosy. Right.”

thank you for so aptly demonstrating Jay’s point.

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well, they can always hope that women, young people and minorities don’t vote … there IS that …

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Adapt, yes adapt. Adapt to the fact we have a severe debt crises that represents the greatest danger to our Republic and to our children’s future. Rather than address this danger through leadership Obama and the left are trying their best to dumb down America by pushing a domestic social agenda as the most important priority.

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“…deny majority voters their rights and to steal elections.”

Good Fight – I’m sure you meant minority, but regardless its more BS from the Left.
If a person can produce an ID to cash that government check they can do so to vote. If there was large scale denial at the booth it would be 24/7/365 on all the legacy media. This BS is just more to keep the base involved.

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Scout – yep – because we can’t do two things at the same time … debt and addressing social injustice.

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you’re right. Obama’s not their problem. Hate is their problem.
and in an ironic twist, Hate is also the only glue holding them together.

dinosaur – chixulub – meteor – boom – gone

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Only a dummy would aggressively expand the government while we run trillion dollar annual deficits, but that’s who a majority of the country elected. Why would we entrust someone with such power when they really, really don’t know what they are doing? Sad and scary

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“It’s as if the universe has gone badly out of whack, and they can’t quite wrap their heads around it.”
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When I check-in with Fox News, I feel like I am watching something from another universe. Also, I thought the GOP was big on personal responsibility?

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As per the youth and any other intelligent Americans………the GOP isn’t the only party of crooks being relegated to the sewage.
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The DNC isn’t growing in leaps and bounds either.(only roughly 1/5 of americans voted for what oozed out of Chicago).
Decent peaceful people simply want decent peaceful politicians.

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And that’s a good thing.
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Long Live Lupe Fiasco!

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Looks like the party of “personal responsibility” isn’t really

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No wonder Boehner and a segment of this blog think the problem is Obama.

Deflection. They’ve adapted so much it’s now a part of them.

Ummmm….. aren’t these the same bloggers who assailed SecState Clinton for not taking responsibility?

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Tbone You can’t convince the obama cult members that everyone does not support their party or their president. You are right but the liberal press won’t let it happen.

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“only roughly 1/5 of americans voted ”

Heyward thinks kids in grade school and people who stay home on election day elect presidents, not eligible voters who bother to vote.

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Paul, very good our country is on its way to falling off the fiscal mountain and you seem to think our biggest problem is Christians who reject evolution.

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I posted this chart late last night and I think most people had gone to bed. Here is the real problem facing the United States. This is not a Republican nor Democrat issue. But, if we continue on this path, we are facing a total collapse of our economy. By the way, the part on the far right (the red and blue lines) are what’s know as a parabola (or parabolic).

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“…we’re expecting over the next 22 months to be the focus of this
administration as they attempt to annihilate the Republican Party.”

good. yes. absolutely. Now that we understand each other,

and since you’ve tried tried to annihilate the American middle class
for the last 30 years, you should be fully aware of the whoopin
that’s coming.

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“Paul, very good our country is on its way to falling off the fiscal mountain and you seem to think our biggest problem is Christians who reject evolution.”

Well then surely Republicans have a plan to fix things. Tell us all about this mysterious plan.

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They are doing it to themselves, after collecting billions they can’t read the pulse of the American public any better than they do. I truly wonder what they do with all that money they spend. It is like a baseball team busting the budget buying players and finishing last.

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Click on the picture of the poem to read it.

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“extremist”-had to use it, can’t help yourself , Jay it’s what you do -hysterical descriptions, laughable…However, no doubt for any organization, evolve or cease to exist: social darwinism..plain and simple dfor the EXTREME repubs, sheesh, you crack me up….slow day for the opinion column, what about Hillary?

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Doggone/GA

I’m hoping Boehner and company get their act together, marginalize Republican extremists and let them form a third party.

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How can the GOP become relevant in politics again? In case you have not noticed the American People have spoken loud and clear and rejected the GOP platform by electing President Obama again in 2012.

The GOP needs a complete “makeover”. No longer can the GOP rely on their old model of carrying all the Southern States and rally the rebels (old White Guys) in a few Northern States. This model is broken beyond repair.

The GOP needs to recruit “moderate” candidates and create a strategy that includes all the American People (elderly, women, minorities, gays & lesbians, Christians, Muslims & Jews, etc.) with the goal of retaining as many seats as possible in the House and Senate for the 2014 midterm elections as well as re-capturing the White House in 2016.

The latest Polls suggest that the next President of the USA in 2016 will most likely be a Woman or a Hispanic candidate. Our children and grand children will grow-up in a America that looks and acts just like they do. Thank you God.

The American People…

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Your math is off. If the GOP goes to the dustbin and another party forms, we’ll still only have 2 parties. And those parties will still be composed of the same people.

I have thought about the math part Doggone.What I would like to see is the centrists of both parties to form a third party.

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alex

“extremist”-had to use it, can’t help yourself , Jay it’s what you do

From one of Texas’s largest newspapers:

“Ted Cruz is too extreme to ignore”

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/01/23/4570061/ted-cruz-is-too-extreme-to-ignore.html#storylink=cpy

“In the glow of Monday’s stirring inauguration, it’s a good idea to focus again on those Texans who can’t understand how the world has passed them by, how governing by fear and cowardice will only speed their party’s dissolution…

“No, what we are living in now is an era of pragmatism and data….

“Unless you’re Ted Cruz. As The New York Times noted in a Sunday editorial, Cruz “embodies the rigidity the public grew to loathe in Congress’s last term.”

The editorial explains: “Unlike 85 percent of the Republicans in the Senate, he would have voted against the fiscal cliff deal. He says gun control is unconstitutional. Breaking even with conservative business leaders, he would have no qualms about using the debt ceiling as a hostage because he believes (falsely) that it would produce only a partial government shutdown and not default.”

“This is standard operating procedure in Texas. Our rural-fed stubborn cow of a Legislature won’t even let its residents vote on money-raising bills that they favor. But nationally, it’s an embarrassment…

Ted Cruz isn’t the only one in the House or Senate who fits that description. These are the ones Boehner needs to marginalize in the House. In the Senate they’re not as big a problem.

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Robert

January 24th, 2013
9:41 am
How can the GOP become relevant in politics again? In case you have not noticed the American People have spoken loud and clear and rejected the GOP platform by electing President Obama again in 2012.

The GOP needs a complete “makeover”. No longer can the GOP rely on their old model of carrying all the Southern States and rally the rebels (old White Guys) in a few Northern States. This model is broken beyond repair.

The GOP needs to recruit “moderate” candidates and create a strategy that includes all the American People (elderly, women, minorities, gays & lesbians, Christians, Muslims & Jews, etc.) with the goal of retaining as many seats as possible in the House and Senate for the 2014 midterm elections as well as re-capturing the White House in 2016.

Part of the problem with that strategy is what I call the “uncle tom” syndrome the left wing media and the dimlibs use against minorities, esp African Americans, who espouse any beliefs in opposition to them.

See Clarence Thomas, Herman Cain, etc.

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Google fastest growing political party in America and you will get millions of results.
And the Demos or Repugs won’t be in them.
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From the typical Prog Newspaper LA Times————
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“Here’s a startling new political reality in California: Both the Democratic and Republican parties are losing market share.

The Times’ inveterate digger Dan Morain has been exploring the state’s political party registration figures and has found that the two main parties — the Republicans and Democrats — are steadily dwindling as shares of the broader electorate. The fastest-growing share of state voters is actually: Decline to State.”
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For decency’s sake…………it’s a good trend.
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FORWARD Lupe Fisco!

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Interesting read on “of all places” the home page of MSN, how by 2025 Entitlements, SS, ObamaCare will account for all of our tax revenue. Obama is the biggest liar(vodoo magic)politician ever. SMoke and mirrors. Got the sheeple to look one way( the rich should pay more) while the debt grows ever deeper(Entitlements have to be cut). But hey, as long as the rich pay more in taxes everything will be OK right? Absolutely amazing how people fall for that. A country so ignorant doesn’t deserve to prosper. Lead on O’ Messiah. Hook through the nose and all.

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Correct. Obama is the source of AMERICA’s problems. Record deficits, record unemployment, record numbers on foodstamps and welfare.. Just more of the same, courtesy of the bed-wetting liberal democrat party.

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rightwingextreme

January 24th, 2013
9:37 am

I think, as a nation, we have to decide on some big ticket items:

Correct

1) Do we want more federal spending on the so-called entitlements? A better way to put this is to ask why should you have to pay for anything I have? If we do, we’re ALL going to have to pay a lot more in taxes.

entitlements or paid for earned benefits, you best be more specific

2) Can we have a society where almost half do not pay any taxes at the federal level based on the 1040 tax return? Is that really fair to the 52% who are paying taxes based on the 1040?

Yes , but it’s sad that so many make so little. Addressing income inequality is very critical

3) Do we want to have a different immigration policy than what we’ve historically had? By that, I mean do we wave a magic wand and tell anybody who wants to “come on over, if you stay here long enough we’ll make you a citizen.”

Nope

4) Are we going to create a tax/regulatory climate in this country that is favorable to business? Look at California where companies and people are leaving due to the taxes in that state.

based on the market we already have such a climate

5) Are we going to have a government that adheres to the Constitution? And yes, this would include discussions on the Second Amendment.

already got one

6) Can we sustain the level of spending at the federal level? Do we raise taxes? Do we cut spending?

Federal spending is at lowest level since Ike, but yes we need to close tax loopholes and cut defense spending

7) Can we have a media that is non-biased? That includes both conservative and liberal. I just want to hear the facts of a story. I’ll make up my own mind.

nope, not while the media is the hands of 5 or 6 mega corporations

Whichever party can answer these questions will be a leg up on the other.

How we answer these will determine our future as a country.

BINGO

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And the GOP can only blame Rove, Limbaugh and Norquist for these troubles.
Move the center = lose control.

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Jay has this nailed down pretty solid.

Republicans have lost the popular vote for president in 5 of the last 6 elections. Going into the 1992 election the Democrats had lost the popular vote in 5 of 6 elections. The Democrats moved to the right. It will be necessary for the Republicans to move to the left.

And the move to the left need not be a large move as the Democrats have moved to the left again.
But of major importance, Republicans need to cancel the perception among women, particularly single women, that Republicans are conducting a war against them. As we know, most of the time perception is more important than facts. And that means getting control of Republicans in the state legislatures and governors offices. And that is a tall order.

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alot of truth in this story. the people really do embrace alot of conservative ideas. The problem is that the old ways and thoughts are being rejected by the younger voters as well as the minorities.
republicans have to adapt and change if they want to survive. their base is shrinking and they have managed to push moderates just left of center. taking a stand on issues that divide are killing them…
they need to embrace the gays, let go of this make believe morale high ground. Stop trampling on peoples personal choices and ideas. we really need government to get back to the job they are elected to do. stop infringing on our liberties and selling our country out…

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What I appreciate about columns like this is that the party faithful on the far right are SO wrapped up in anti-anything-from-the-left-of-them, that if they even bother to read this, will take it as a sign they should do the exact opposite of what is suggested.

Thus synergizing their own demise.

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“Its called the “Jethro Bodine, Double Naught Spy, Trickle Down Dumbed Down, Damned If We Know What The Heck to Do Theory””

Thank you very much, Debbie. I’ve asked that question about 100 times the past week and finally got an answer.

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I love it! Thanks for saying what so many of us want to hear.

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[...] Posted by: Rick on January 24th, 2013 A very well-stated article…http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/01/24/barack-obama-is-not-the-source-of-gops-problems/?cx… Barack Obama is not the source of GOP’s problems | Jay Bookman House Speaker John Boehner is [...]

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Tucker Carlson. Haha.

Just kidding.

No, seriously, Chris Christie is from the North. Paul Ryan and Scott Walker are too.

So where’s the evidence the GOP is just a dying Southern party?

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The GOP sealed their fate when they embraced the Tea Party in hopes of gaining ground in the 2010 election. Short term it was a successful strategy, long term, it appears to have doomed them. When a Statesman like Lugar is defeated by the mouth-foamers, its no wonder the GOP keeps losing elections that should have been walk-overs.

The crazies of the Tea Party is poison to the country and the GOP. Both have been damaged by the TPers, but the GOP damage may be debilitating for a generation. Staking out ground for defending milionaires and billionaires and negotiating by threatening to pull the whole country over an economic cliff….who knew that wouldn’t be a winning strategy? LOL

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And we can look at the management of this country the last 4 years a say ” job well Done”? Geez….
1. George Bush’s fault
2. Worse than we thought.
3. Can’t get anything done with this House blocking everything ( 2 years in total control don’t forget)
4. I working night and day to put Americans back to work. Said it 534 times first term. A real crowd favorite
5.6 trillion and counting.
6. only the EBT card manufacturer is hiring…… And gun and ammo makers.

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bookman parrot: when did fiscal responsibility become crazy and extremism???

TRUE ANSWER: When “fiscal responsibility” became a phrase with no action from the right to back it up, and the left proceeded to be more fiscally responsible than the right.

I know, I know. You will laugh and act as though it’s not true. But how do you explain even the HERITAGE FOUNDATION putting up a graph showing the spending becoming basically a flat line for each year Obama has been in office?

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DannyX Cons may not have a plan to fix this country’s problems but crats are in charge and it’s only getting worse. I blame both for not wanting to cut spending. I don’t understand why no one will make the tough choices to try and right the ship. Us going back and forth really changes a lot also. Have a great day!

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I’ve supported the GOP for the last 30 years but the current direction & strategy of the party has left me behind. While I abhor Czar Obama’s left wing policies of take it from me & give it to someone else & could never support it, I’m rethinking what I will support in the future. Maybe it’s time for a more moderate party that will get us back to center.

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bookman parrot

January 24th, 2013
10:02 am

to Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 24th, 2013
8:53 am
when did fiscal responsibility become crazy and extremism???
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when it is enacted using failed supply side economics.

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Fred

Don’t call someone a liar and not at least give where exactly you think the lie is. In the MSN article that I referred to? Or that OBama ran a campign that diverted attention away from the real problems at hand? He even stated in his inaug speech “Can’t touch entitlements”. Everyone knows you can’t fix the economy if you don’t . MAybe that’s a lie too? Perhaps you wouldn’t recognize a lie if it hit you in the face.

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“What I would like to see is the centrists of both parties to form a third party.”

Not gonna happen. And you’re still missing the point. If the GOP is GONE, then a “3rd party” will still be the SECOND party.

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As some who post on here blame Obama for all the ills.The organizer proves he is far more capable than his predecessor.Not being born with the silver spoon he knows how to improvise,improve,and maneuver.We need an amendment so he can run 3rd.term.

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Checking in after the dictator gets another 4 years

Right, because a dictator would have let you continue to talk bad about him and would have put up a 50.4% popular vote victory instead of, oh say 90%?

Idiot….

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Teo got caught up with a catfish. Its been happening for the past few years, people going online and pretending to be someone else.

A few years back, if you remember, there was this middle aged housewife who went online and pretended to be a teen boy so that she could harass her daughter’s foe. The little girl ended up killing herself over it.

These things happen — I’m just sad that Teo got caught up in the middle of it.

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joe entitlement is a rural politician who has no real constituency representing himself on a public stage, as a representative of a fandom population when he is really speaking for himself, berating leaders who have the national support. This politician is totally living off entitlement since he represents no one, gets paid for representing someone that doesn’t exist and takes cheap shots at people the country as a whole support. Not a bad benefit package if you can get it.

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Can’t say I’m exactly happy with the Democrats OR our President, but they and he are head and shoulders above the current alternative offered by the damn Republican hard heads.

THIS

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“Barack Obama is not the source of GOP’s problems”

That may be true ………. he’s only a symptom.

Liberalism, like a slow moving cancer, is the source of our nation’s problems.

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Everyone knows you can’t fix the economy if you don’t . MAybe that’s a lie too?

You got it. It’s a lie. The economy has nothing to do with reducing payments for Medicare or “reforming” it the way the right wants to. On the other hand, if you put rhetoric into action by closing loopholes and introducing price negotiation, you might have an actual effect on the health care market, which will increase the economic wellness of the majority of Americans.

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“The California style politics of the left will wreck America just like it that state!”

Yep, California style politics- Republican Hollywood actors, Ronnie and Arnie.

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Eary in the morning and Fred’s head is already about to explode!

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Granny Godzilla

January 24th, 2013
9:55 am
rightwingextreme

January 24th, 2013
9:37 am

I think, as a nation, we have to decide on some big ticket items:

Correct

1) Do we want more federal spending on the so-called entitlements? A better way to put this is to ask why should you have to pay for anything I have? If we do, we’re ALL going to have to pay a lot more in taxes.

entitlements or paid for earned benefits, you best be more specific

Let’s take SS and Medicare off the table for now. You’re right, those are “paid for” even though they’re bleeding money left and right.

I’m talking about the redistribution of wealth we have through our tax/social policies. If you’re not paying anything on your 1040, then you shouldn’t be receiving a payment from the taxpayer for things like the EITC.

You should not be able to use an EBT card for anything other than basic food purchases and only at a grocery store….not a quickie store or fast food. I was at an autozone the other day and a sign on the door said “WE ACCEPT EBT CARDS”.

I think we really need to re-evaluate those receiving disability. Once you get it, we don’t re-evaluate your need. If you legitimally need it, ok….but we’ve had a lot of folks becomming disabled lately as unemployment runs out.

And those are just the tip of the iceberg.

4) Are we going to create a tax/regulatory climate in this country that is favorable to business? Look at California where companies and people are leaving due to the taxes in that state.

based on the market we already have such a climate

Respectfully disagree. There are lots of business leaders who said they don’t know what Washington is going to do so they are afraid of hiring, expanding production. etc.

5) Are we going to have a government that adheres to the Constitution? And yes, this would include discussions on the Second Amendment.

already got one

Respectfully disagree. Sen Diane Feinstien is going to introduce legislation to ban/limit/register pretty much anything with a clip/magazine of more than 10. that’s an infringement.

7) Can we have a media that is non-biased? That includes both conservative and liberal. I just want to hear the facts of a story. I’ll make up my own mind.

nope, not while the media is the hands of 5 or 6 mega corporations

AGREE!

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This weak support of the Republican Party and their posturing of no compromise when they are now at the mercy of the Democrats is like watching bank robbers trying to shoot it out with the cops who have them surrounded. It is only a matter of time before they are dead unless they lay down their guns, pun meant, and surrender.

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Great article

The President is NOT the cause of their problems… they need to take a look in the mirror to see the real problem.

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Adam:

We have the right to “self-destruct” and we are doing just that.

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Vinny – 9:54 –

U.S. stocks rose, briefly sending the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index above 1,500 for the first time since 2007, as an unexpected drop in jobless claims and better- than-forecast earnings offset a slump in Apple Inc. (AAPL)

heh.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-23/u-s-equity-futures-drop-as-apple-posts-slowest-sales-since-09.html

oh, and leading economic indicators are up, too.

suck it.

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don’t this sound a lot like the libs sounded in early 2009 ?

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from the same article

A report today showed claims for jobless benefits in the U.S. unexpectedly dropped last week. Applications for unemployment insurance payments decreased by 5,000 to 330,000 in the week ended Jan. 19, the fewest since the same week in 2008, the Labor Department reported in Washington. Economists forecast 355,000 claims, according to the median estimate in a Bloomberg survey.

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@Fred

Regarding my post, please point out the insanity (fallacy) of my statement.

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Democracy: “the tyranny of the majority” deal with it – or leave.

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The GOP controls the House of Reps and will continue to do so until 2020.
The GOP currently holds 30 governorships
The GOP is in total control of 24 state legislatures
The GOP is in control of at least on chamber in 6 state legislatures.
The GOP is 4 seats short of control of the Senate.

It appears to me that this is a totally bogus argument about the demise of the GOP.

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The problem is the media……lots of things go UN or under reported…..

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Jackie

January 24th, 2013
10:31 am

@Fred

Regarding my post, please point out the insanity (fallacy) of my statement.
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All off it. You need a tinfoil hat.

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right wing extreme

I’m talking about the redistribution of wealth we have through our tax/social policies. If you’re not paying anything on your 1040, then you shouldn’t be receiving a payment from the taxpayer for things like the EITC.

respectfully disagree, if you don’t make enough money to hit the threshold above which you are not required to pay income taxes….you deserve a break

You should not be able to use an EBT card for anything other than basic food purchases and only at a grocery store….not a quickie store or fast food. I was at an autozone the other day and a sign on the door said “WE ACCEPT EBT CARDS”.

It would be nice if there was an IGA or Kroger on every street corner, but a convenience store within walking distance allows those with out wheels to walk and get bread and milk

Respectfully disagree. There are lots of business leaders who said they don’t know what Washington is going to do so they are afraid of hiring, expanding production.

respectfully disagree right back at ya’. yea, some business leader are “ascared” but again….the market shows reality

Are we going to have a government that adheres to the Constitution? And yes, this would include discussions on the Second Amendment.

already got one

Respectfully disagree. Sen Diane Feinstien is going to introduce legislation to ban/limit/register pretty much anything with a clip/magazine of more than 10. that’s an infringement.

respectfully disagree back at ya’ again. its called being “well regulated”

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And in many states run by republicans…..they are getting it right! I will say…not GA. Our republicans are just like the decorates before them….

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We have the right to “self-destruct” and we are doing just that

Oh I agree. The party with the birthers, hookers, and other extremists have the right to destroy their party if the sane portions of their party will not stand up to them. They don’t have the right to force the country to go along with them.

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“It appears to me that this is a totally bogus argument about the demise of the GOP.”

This coming from the person that posted about 1000 comments claiming Democrats were in for a November butt kicking.

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I am confused why any of you are so in love with Barack Obama and his/the Democratic policies. What in anything that he and the Democratic party really makes you feel confident that things will turn around (economically).

In what other historic example has Socialism worked and what makes anyone think that running on “fair share” platform is going to improve things.

I have no political preference and am not affiliated with any party, but I just don’t see this as being a solution. I gladly accept anyone’s point of view from this stand point and convince me that we are headed in the right direction.

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I am most definitely a RINO, because we true conservatives understand the meaning of the Constitution.

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“We have the right to “self-destruct” and we are doing just that

Oh I agree. The party with the birthers, hookers, and other extremists have the right to destroy their party if the sane portions of their party will not stand up to them. They don’t have the right to force the country to go along with them.”

exactly.

we’ve just popped the popcorn and are enjoying the show.

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Fred ™
Sarcasm is the lowest form of humor
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thus it has the widest audience…..

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The GOP is dead wrong about any goals to annihilate the GOP, but most DEM most certainly do support the annihilation of extreme GOP which controls the party, so that moderate “sane” politicians can again govern the GOP. Our best years were when we had a balance of power in congress, and each party had to compromise in the middle to get things done. This all or nothing of the extreme GOP has done nothing but create uncertainty in the markets for many years now, and more recently done nothing but harm every American’s financial standing.

We need a government that regulates where it is truly truly needed, and steps out of the way where regulation is not truly needed and restrains commerce. We need a government that helps those in need when they truly need it, but does not restrain the success of those who make good use of such help. We need a government that does not waste resources and tax money but instead spends every tax dollar wisely and with accountability and measured outcomes.

The GOP brought this on themselves, so I am comfortable with the GOP loosing standing in congress, as with that comes more the emergence of moderate republicans, and a returned to a congress that works together. The GOP will never be eliminated, its not possible, in every society there are a spectrum of politics, spanning from conservative to liberal. So eliminating the GOP as the speaker put it, is not possible, what is possible is eliminating the GOP as it is currently constituted and returning it a more sane, moderate conservative party that is truly interested in serving the taxpayers who elected them that they are serving the party line.

I am against a congress that refused to work together, and takes extremist, all or nothing views, and from day one announces that they want our government to fail as it was elected. That’s the current GOP.

I am all for a congress that has two parties, that work together to serve the interests of the American people.

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Truth is, in this day of in the can media and billion dollar campaigns… Obama does have the leverage to shove the Republican Party into the dustbin of history…. and if you think the two party system is bad, wait until you have one super party to contend with. You think you’ll just be able to stand up then and say, wait, wait enough listen to me, I voted for you back then. Read what it’s like in those countries without any credible opposition. You really think we’re too special because of our constitution to avoid that ? How’s the fundamental Bill of Rights doing these days ? 1st Amendment – there are things we say that now can be called criminal. 2nd Amendment – no question under attack. 4th Amendment – Think TSA. 6th and 7th Amendment – We now have the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) allowing the government to target citizens and keep due process from them. 8th Amendment – Again NDAA. 10th Amendment – Ever expanding Federal Government taking power from the states and the people.

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Something both cons and liberals need to get into their thick heads:

Barack Obama is a right-wing figure. Period.

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“Center-right” “leaders” do not move government’s share of GDP from 18% to 23% in a few short years.

Nor do they take ownership positions of substantial size in automobile companies (while subordinating bond holders so as to empower unions) and financial institutions while accelerating their control of home mortgages and student loans while denying energy producers market entry.

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Jackie

January 24th, 2013
10:38 am

@Fred

It appears my “insanity” has struck a nerve in that you fail to understand and/or understand historical facts.
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Please provide even ONE “fact” to back up your whacked out conspiracy theories. Bush beat Gore in Florida. It was proven in every fake recount the Democrats could come up with. You lying about it doesn’t change the facts. The Supreme Court didn’t hand anything to anyone.

please provide some facts to back up your irrational rantings. I’ll wait. You don’t mind if I don’t hold my breath do you?

You sound as nutty as the Republican idiots with their irrational hatred of Obama. You knwo that don’t you?

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The “johnnyrebs” of the world will keep them in the hole they’ve dug for themselves. They’ll get no sympathy from me.

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Yea’ thats what we need Jay, two political party’s with exactly the same platforms and policy’s. Then why have two party’s? Be like all the other dictator countries. Have one GREAT LEADER like N. Korea, China, Cuba, and many others. That type government is so succesful. I’m sure all you Obama, followers would love that. Chris Matthews, Rachal Mad-cow, and all the MSNBC media. could have an hour a day to go worship a stature of the “GRAET ONE”.Mathews could get his “tingles” up his leg every day.

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@Fred – Where do folks come up with this stuff from?

Ok, Fred, tell us what has hussein obama done in four years? Raise the national debt? You disagree? Raise spending? You disagree? More people on welfare? You disagree?

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monty

January 24th, 2013
10:36 am

The idea that you can spend your way out of debt is alive and well, I see. As long as we have the credit card and keep upping the limit, we’re good! Wink, wink! Sorry, kids, and grand kids. We couldn’t do the right thing! We’re like drunken sailors at a strip club with our monthly pay in hand.We don’t want anyone telling us to leave the club and stop the partying. Hard to feel sorry for the guy the next morning when he’s hung over and broke. Hello Greece!
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And the lies and ignorant talk radio/FOXBOT rhetoric just keep coming. Old, used up lies that lost you the last election………..

Greece? Really? You DO mean the same Greece that has had a 3rd world economy for the last 2500 years or so right? I mean THAT is the one the talk radio and fox idiots keep using to convince the brain dead morons that listen to them that the US economy is equivalent too…….. the Country that was a “World Leader” about a thousand years before Jesus was invented? THAT Greece? he one who’s major income for 2500 years has been from Ox dung and olive oil? THAT Greece?

Lust damn. Well I’ll give you one thing, as much BS as you produce we may well be on track to having BS a major cash crop…………..

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“Let’s actually take a look at the election actually showed us.”

let’s.

who voted for Republicans?

old white guys. NOT a growing population.

women, youth, and minorities all went Dem. And they’re the growing populations.

And what came out just yesterday? that a majority of Americans want to keep abortion Legal and support the RvW decision. What’s in the GOP platform? not that.

so, yeah. keep doing what you’re doing, GOP …

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Today, ya’ll are in the mood to write the pubs obituary. We’ll see how things go after Feinstein, et al, get finished ramming through gun control and after reality sets in regarding the ACA. How did things work out for Carter and his control initiatives? Will we see history repeat itself?

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Boehner’s comments are particularly ironic when you remember that it is the REPUBLICANs that have openly and persistently stated that their goal is to create a permanent REPUBLICAN majority. Too funny.

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@ JohnnyReb

51% is a majority, and much more of one than the GOPs mandate that they still seem to be claiming.

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Since the libs are the only ones with brains, I’ll sit back and watch as they fix the coming economic collapse. On second thought, I don’t have that much time to waste. Have fun kicking Repubs, while it last. Like a madman stomping out the bag of manure (on fire) on his front porch while thieves break down his back door and rob him blind. Oh, and that’s simply an anaolgy Fred~~

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Boehner’s remarks reminds me of that story of the man that looked in the mirror and saw a dirty face and picked up a wash cloth and started scrubbing the mirror.

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Rotary dial phone.A good compairson.Give them the finger,point the direction,listen to the spin,as they join the days of antiquity.

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Wait a minute. Catholic Hospital claims that fetuses are not people. Hmmmm. But the Catholic church and the US Conf of Catholic Bishops say “the church’s defense of life encompasses the unborn.” http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/catholic-hospital-argues-fetuses-aren

The problem of absolutism is that absolutes require you to be absolute even if you don’t like one of the outcomes. That is part of the root problem for the GOP.

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@Fred

Here is one interpretation of the Supreme Court ruling on the Florida election.
In your infinite legal wisdom, you may be able discern why the election was decided on one vote of a Supreme Court justice that stopped the Florida election recount.

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/supreme-court-case-study-bush-v-gore.html

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We know Jay! Obama doesn’t cause problems, he solves them. Excuse me…I think I just threw up!

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Voter

January 24th, 2013
10:52 am

@Fred – Greece? Really? You DO mean the same Greece that has had a 3rd world economy for the last 2500 years or so right?

Fred, you need help. We’re talking about the last 4 years. Please defend the numbers. 16+ trillion in debt, up 6 trillion in 4 years. Welfare is up, jobs are less, taxes are up. Please more defending.
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So what does that have anything to do with Greece you silly little person?

Oh and please provide REAL numbers, not your FOXBOT cooked books ones. i want the number that do NOT include the two wars that Bush started and put on the credit card. I don’t want the numbers that include his little drug give away that he put on the Credit card. I DON’T want the numbers that include all the money he gave to the banks, insurance companies and Wall Street.

I want the job figures that DON’T include the total meltdown of the job market Bush caused NOR any numbers that include the last Congress of NO who’s failed goal was to make Obama a one term President while dragging our Country down to do so.

Get some real numbers there pal.

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@Fred – Still waiting.

What has President Barack Obama done other than raise taxes, raise spending and the national debt? (Happy now?) Please tell us your numbers since you don’t believe anybody else’s.

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@Fred – Still waiting Fred.

Spending is UP, national Debt is UP, welfare is UP, Jobs are DOWN.

Waiting.

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Politics are always strange.

Funny things happen and the tides seem to shift without cause regularity or predictability.

Jay,

Didn’t you write a very similar article after the ‘08 elections, proclaiming the demise of the GOP only to have them post big wins less than 2 years later?

Nostradamus?

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dummies.com?

I’d go there for information.

Saw where the Pentagon is recognizing that women are involved in combat roles, fine with me.

PMSing with an M-5. Suweet.

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@Fred – Come on Fred. You disagree with the FACTS? Show us your spending and debt numbers. How about the jobs and welfare numbers? All of the numbers posted are from the U.S. Government data bases. Show us the ones you look at?

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There has been a steady decline in labor workforce participation since Obama’s been in office. Through 012 the participation has averaged below 64%.

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

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Voter

January 24th, 2013
11:03 am

@Fred – Still waiting.

What has President Barack Obama done other than raise taxes, raise spending and the national debt? (Happy now?) Please tell us your numbers since you don’t believe anybody else’s.
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What did President Bush do other than raise taxes, raise spending and the national debt? (Herbert)

What did President Bush do other than cut taxes, spend our surplus, start 2 wars, raise spending, tank the economy, and raise the national debt?

Still waiting………

See I can play stupid little “Are you still beating your wife” games too. My aren’t you clever.

Please name the LAST President who did not raise the debt ceiling, causing us more debt, and raise spending.

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Barack Obama…..Please Jay…..President Obama…..show the proper respect.

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Fred ™

January 24th, 2013
11:04 am

Fred,are there any sites that are not left or right wing wacko sites? (serious question)

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@Fred – Are you working? Get a paycheck? Tell me, did your net pay increase or decrease so far this year? Just curious. Seriously.

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Barack Obama is not the GOPs problem. More like he’s the nation’s problem.

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@Thulsa Doom – Well said.

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Real Scootter

January 24th, 2013
11:11 am

Fred ™

January 24th, 2013
11:04 am

Fred,are there any sites that are not left or right wing wacko sites? (serious question)
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Sure. But ANY site that is a birther site or one that says that Bush “stole” the election wouldn’t be among them.

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Hey Fred, did you hear 300,000+ people showed up for the Inaugural Celebration in D.C.? Only 12 missed work!

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Hey Fred, I suppose Hillary Clinton is up front and truthful and takes responsibility also? Just like her husband did.

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Many, Many things come to mind with the downfall of thr republican party. First, George Bush Jr a.k.a Baby Bush how we as a country allowed such an illiterate ass run thisnation for 8 yrs is beyond me. After being in a surplus thanks to Clinton he manages to squander that. Not to mention his response to 9/11 and Huricane Katrina. So yhe throws us into over a decade long war that we have way more casualties than the terrorist do. So we finally are done with him and you expect the next man to be able to clean up 8 yrs of foolishness in 4 yrs. I think not!!! The republcans always back the wrong man. They baced the Tea party a bunch of extremist who wouldn’t know social equality if it slapped them in the face. Duh!!! Then Backing Robney… lol Romney who thinks our veterans, eldery, disabled and low income families don’t count . Since when is it American to be classist against our veterans who fight for our freedom, or elderly who built this country or disabled who can’t fend for themselves and even the single mother who may be divorced or whatever. Do her children not deserve food clothes and to live to be happy and comfortable…. shame on all of them for saying such… everyone has the right to basic comforts are we wild animals who live as such or living breathing caring loving people…. it is a sad day when people care more for their pets comforts more than their fellow man…also the republicans think rape is set in categories Forcible rape…. and what…. rape is rape no middle lines if it where their family they would be more sensitive to our REGULAR PEOPLE PROBLEMS but yet I digress

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Fred ™

January 24th, 2013
11:09 am

Obama promised to cut the deficit in half and fundamentally change DC. Is that the pubs fault too?

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Thulsa-shot any kids today?

Wow, I always miss the good stuff when I take a vacation from this blog.

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Voter: “The so called “fiscal cliff” was actually to stop the tax cuts he brought about”

Obama actually permanently enshrined the vast majority of the so-called “Bush” tax cuts into law. They’re Obama’s tax cuts now.

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Real Scootter

January 24th, 2013
11:11 am

Fred ™

January 24th, 2013
11:04 am

Fred,are there any sites that are not left or right wing wacko sites? (serious question)

Excellent point. I have Fox News, CNN, HLN and MSNBC on my xm radio…channels 114-117, I believe. They are all, at times, stark raving lunatics. Pick your poison!

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@Fred – Hey here’s one Fred, let’s just take Hillary’s response to heart.

What difference, at this point, does it make?

What a leader. I suppose you will vote for her in 2016, right?

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Barry H. might accomplish a little something in his eight year rein. In the mean time invest in bicycles, noodles & bologna!

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Since Obama took office almost every single economic indicator is up

13 straight quarters of economic growth.
Consumer spending way up.
27 straight months of net job gains.
Foreclosures are way down.
Home prices up, from average of $175,000 to $189,000
Inflation is stable.
Stocks have almost doubled.
Industrial product up.

The economic disaster Bush left is no where in sight. The hysterical right has nothing.

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the cat

January 24th, 2013
11:26 am
Thulsa-shot any kids today?

the cat,

Stay classy.

Aquagirl,

If you consider the cat’s comment to be “good stuff” then that speaks volumes about you.

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DownInAlbany

January 24th, 2013
11:29 am

Fred ™

January 24th, 2013
11:09 am

Obama promised to cut the deficit in half and fundamentally change DC. Is that the pubs fault too?
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No down in Albany, by voting no on every proposal he has offered the Republicans aren’t at fault for anything. We all know from the idiotic posts here that the Republicans Congress is meaningless since Obama is the “ruler” and can just eliminate anything he wants to by King’s decree……….

Just damn. The so called “arguments’ are getting dumberer and dumberer………

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Thulsa-you are the classless one as evidenced by your posts. My conscious is clear, is yours?

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“What a leader. I suppose you will vote for her in 2016, right?”

Hillary will win in a landslide if she runs in 2016.

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Jay: “That’s where the Grand Old Party stands today. Obama may serve as a convenient villain, but if Republicans focus on him as the cause of their woes, they focus on the wrong thing. ”

Too often overlooked though is the fact that one of the main reasons that Obama is such a pesky obstacle to the GOP is that he agrees with them too much. They would be far more effective in some ways if they were truly dealing with a bold and powerful figure acting in the interests of the left, such as Roosevelt, even if they were less effective in concrete political terms.

What’s really killing them — and in this respect there is ironically an element of truth in Boehner’s statement — is that Obama essentially agrees with them 75% on economic policy issues, and on more besides, but is merely using them as a cover to let much of that agenda be pushed through, presumably over his protests, though it’s what he would want anyway.

There is no greater boon to Obama politically speaking than the fact that he is able to push through his reactionary neoliberal agenda without having to ultimately pay the political price for it. All he has to do is warm on a couple of pet liberal issues towards the end of his first term — immigration and gay issues — and then start his second one with some nicely progressive-sounding words, and his liberal base is falling over itself to praise him. It’s really quite a win-win situation for him.

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We shall see in the next 6 months or so if the Republican party will be on a decline or rise based on the public’s reaction to the radical left Obama agenda.

Will the American people accept the Feinstrein gun control package she is putting
together?
Will the American voter accept the amnesty bill that will be rolled out without strict penalties and closing the boarders?
Will the American voter accept cap and trade?
Will the American voter accept national gay marriage rights?

The answer to those questions will be very telling to the fate of the Republican party.

If I was advising the Republican party and speaker Boehner I would tell the President that we will be more then happy to look at any legislation that you can get passed by the Senate. In the meantime, we will be working on our priority of getting a budget out and appropriation bills out under regular order. I would advise the Senate Republicans to not filibuster any of the Obama agenda and get the Senate Dems on the record as to what they actually support.

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the cat

January 24th, 2013
11:26 am

Thulsa-shot any kids today?

Fred-you need to go back to bed, you are out of control and lashing out at everyone today.
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“Lashing out?” LOL If you call educating the idiots ‘lashing out” then I guess………..

Wait, don’t tell me, you are either a birther or the Leftist equivalent one of those ‘George Bush stole the election” lunatics too?

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Lifted from “Patton”, a reminder.
For over a thousand years, Roman conquerors returning from the wars enjoyed the honor of a triumph – a tumultuous parade. In the procession came trumpeters and musicians and strange animals from the conquered territories, together with carts laden with treasure and captured armaments. The conqueror rode in a triumphal chariot, the dazed prisoners walking in chains before him. Sometimes his children, robed in white, stood with him in the chariot, or rode the trace horses. A slave stood behind the conqueror, holding a golden crown, and whispering in his ear a warning: that all glory is fleeting.

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@Debbie do Right – It’s spelled lose not loose. We lose a election or we have a loose shoe lace.

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No matter what you tell your Stepford Wives, when they’re alone in that voting booth, they WILL vote for her; and the Conned WILL loose. Again.

Is that why Obama smoked her on 2008? Hillary has a lot of baggage ( a whole set of Samsonite in addition to Bill). She’s going to have to beat Clueless Joe, first.

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Voter

January 24th, 2013
11:40 am

@Fred – Time for your meds. You’re going off the deep end.
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SO now you have to resort to little taunts because your Foxbot lies have been blown all to hell.

I understand. It’s usual for your type to flee when faced with actual facts and stuff…………

THIS is why the Republican party has become meaningless. The ceded control to talk radio and FOX. Hate, anger, and fear, aren’t enough to win against an educated population. Especially when the dummies start believing their own lies…………..

Don’t shoot anyone today please.

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Mr. Bookman, the more you demonize the right, the more apparent it becomes that the left is just as culpable and ridiculous. Do you honestly think the Democrats are viewed any better than Republicans now? BOTH sides repeatedly demonstrate that they are completely inept in regards to leadership and compromise.

It’s like we have two plates of crap:

1) Republicans are just sitting there in the sun for days on end and stinking to high heaven
2) Democrats are the same pile of crap… but they have plastic wrap covering themselves to at least mask the smell

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Glad to see the Hildabeast eaten alive yesterday. Squirm, squirm, lie & then cry! Conservatives 1 Liberals 0

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Lynnie Gal

January 24th, 2013
11:36 am

We need to kick the GOP out of our state this next election. If Obama got 46.3 percent of the vote this last election, it’s not that far fetched. Just look what they’ve done in the last two years–1) passed draconian immigration laws which ran Hispanics out of GA so that our fruit and vegetables rotted on the vine and in fields, devastating farmers in South GA.(They couldn’t even get prisoners to pick fruit in the hot GA sun.) I guess illegals should just be able to come and go as they please? Not paying taxes, over running our emergency rooms, collecting welfare from a system they didn’t pay into?

2) defunded education and re-crowded classes in our public schools and reduced HOPE so that only elite students can qualify A 3.0 GPA is “elite.?”

3) turned down $33 Billion from the Federal government to cover the working poor/lower middle class on Medicaid, thus forcing millions in GA to go uninsured while other states will accept coverage for their people Where was the money to fund this boondoggle going to come from after the first couple of years? Uninsured does not equal no healthcare.

4) fought ethics reform tooth and nail to keep corporate cash flowing into their pockets…and the list grows and grows. This one I agree with.Let’s clean house in 2014!

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One of the many huge problems for the flailing neocons is that they are not really FOR anything.

The most fanatical of them are merely AGAINST pretty much everything and everyone.

That list includes liberals, progressives, green, moderates, their ultimate enemy Uncle Sam/the American gubment, Negroes (magic or otherwise), homosexuals, the poor and infirm, women’s rights, foreigners, the scientific community, the environment, all beliefs and religions save Christianity, the English language and on and on and on.

These are NOT the characteristics of American conservatism and these pro-invasion, pro-occupation, corporate slaves/neocons are NOT conservatives. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

Conservatives would have fought to retain we the people’s sovereignty, not just sell it off to the highest Wall Street bidder.

These imploding Republicans are hard core reactionaries. (Opposed to all change and progress and a desire to go back to the previous state or status quo ante.)

To hell with them.

Their beating will continue until their morale improves…

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voter

Try this on for size-

The Deficit Has Grown Mostly Because Of The Recession, The deficit has ballooned not because of specific spending measures, but because of the recession. The deficit more than doubled between 2008 and 2009, as the economy was in free fall, since laid-off workers paid less in taxes and needed more benefits. The deficit then shrank in 2010 and 2011.LikeDislike3310 Points

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IT’S HERE! IT’S HERE…..SEN DIANE FRANKENSTIEN’S LONG AWAITED ATTEMPT AT GUN GRABBING IS FINALLY HERE.

Now, once we pass this law there won’t be anymore killings or shootings going on….cause all the bad guys gone turn in they guns! Just like Jay and all you dimlibs want!

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Pssst-It’s you!
Thulsa Doom

January 24th, 2013
11:48 am
Fred and I don’t agree on much. About the only thing we probably do agree on is that one poster in particular is quite the lunatic.

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That last cycle buried the gop.

Facts don’t matter and cons living in a make believe world was hilarious.

You don’t come back from that insanity for years.

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Fred ™

January 24th, 2013
11:37 am
Voter

January 24th, 2013
11:19 am

@Fred – “What did President Bush do other than cut taxes, spend our surplus, start 2 wars, raise spending, tank the economy, and raise the national debt?”

So blind, he started the war to find usama bin laden, you know the one who did the 9/11 terrorist hit? I believe Congress agreed also. He actually cut taxes. You have kids? Child Tax Credit? Ring a bell? The so called “fiscal cliff” was actually to stop the tax cuts he brought about. Get real Fred and get some real arguments here.
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He failed. He let Osama Bin Laden escape from Bora Bora.

By that definition so did Clinton….The Sudan was ready to offer him up to Clinton but he said he couldn’t find a “legal” reason to accept their offer.

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Fred: Bashing / blaming Bush makes you a “patriot” but, bashing / blaming Obama makes us “unpatriotic.” Oh, I see how that works. Thought you libs were the party of inclusion? Only if the theologies match up, huh?

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Ronald Reagan

January 24th, 2013
11:49 am

Glad to see the Hildabeast eaten alive yesterday. Squirm, squirm, lie & then cry! Conservatives 1 Liberals 0
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This guy was giving Rove the polls on election night that showed Romney “winning.”

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A few other points about neocons – almost to a man, they cheered on the botched Bush invasions and occupations. Though virtually none of them served this country. Worse they shamelessly denigrate numerous highly decorated combat veterans and slobber all over that barely honorable Hero of the Texas ANG of theirs.

The most irrational of them also have a penchant for excusing completely the devastating role of the white collar criminal element in this country. Just ask 98 who is not in any way whatsoever responsible for the greatest American economic meltdown in nearly a hundred years.

(Hint, they hide behind that giant American flag at 10 Wall Street.)

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Fred: But unlike you I AM a patriotic American. I KNOW we have to raise taxes and cut spending to get us out of the mess that we are in. I’m willing to sacrifice some as well.

That ^^ is the kicker.

When you think about all the sacrifices people made for our country during WWII; and how they went without for the greater good of ALL of America the Conned should feel ASHAMED of the way they’re mewling and crying like babies deprived of their mother’s teat.

A lot of the conned here love to put down the “brown” folks, but when some of those rich “brown folks” like Will Smith, Eva Longoria, Kerry Washington, Sean Combs, et al. say, “Hey, if it helps America and every American in hard times out, I don’t MIND PAYING MORE TAXES” — compared to that whining, bloated golfer who can’t stand the thought of paying for the military to EAT as well as fight………….then you come to see who are the “real patriots” and who are only as patriotic as Benedict Arnold.

Fair weathered friends never want to hang around when it’s storming outside.

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We all know from the idiotic posts here that the Republicans Congress is meaningless

So, why waste your breath? Why so distracted by the meaningless pubs?

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DownInAlbany

January 24th, 2013
11:57 am

Fred: Bashing / blaming Bush makes you a “patriot” but, bashing / blaming Obama makes us “unpatriotic.” Oh, I see how that works. Thought you libs were the party of inclusion? Only if the theologies match up, huh?
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That was particularly stupid. Also, just because someone doesn’t drink the Rush Koolaide and walk lock step with FOX doesn’t make them a ‘libs”. I’m an independent and as such HAVE no “party” much less a party of inclusion. I certainly am not a party of inclusion as I can’t stand dumbasses and don’t want to include them in ANYTHING. Hell I wish they would all self deport.

Have you anything else stupid to add before I go have lunch and then go fix a washer and dryer? I’d hate to leave you in a state of anticipation…….

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Sorry, man, I can’t type today

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Fred, take your meds before attempting any repairs.

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Voter

January 24th, 2013
11:58 am

Hey DannyX, I think Fred has some extra pills for you also.
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As you can see we exhausted the limited ability “Voter” has for debate and conversation about 5 miles back……… now all he can do it repeat silly, juvenile taunts and stupid old jokes (french rifle).

That didn’t take much…………

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they only take polls in the inner-city areas where the welfare recipients are.

Are you the unskewed polls guy?

heh heh heh.

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Fred ™

January 24th, 2013
11:48 am

Voter

January 24th, 2013
11:40 am

@Fred – Time for your meds. You’re going off the deep end.
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SO now you have to resort to little taunts because your Foxbot lies have been blown all to hell.

Ironic coming from the king of taunts…

(foxbots, birthers, lunatics, dumber and, dumber)

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Stevie Ray: “interesting that the second term of the last 2 presidents was the downfall…will the trend continue?) ”

Yes, my money’s on Yes, it will.

Clinton’s much ballyhooed surplus was complete overrated. Built on sand.

Robert Rubin-/Wall St.-driven neoliberal ideology at its early peak.

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Fred-you aren’t helping your cause any, whatever your cause may be as it changes from day to day…….

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The problem is the Republicans are trying to continue to be Politicians instead of Representatives of their constituents! The whole problem with Washington is they are all Politicians, say you want to hear and do what they want to do and we keep re-electing the idiots, both dems and reps! I think we should systemetically vote every last one of them out and put term limits and eliminate free trips and gifts and see what we get!!

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I’ll take you 12:05 to mean you have nothing else to add DIA. I thought not.

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@DannyX – Hey Danny, National Debt is at 16+ trillion. Spending is UP 6+ trillion in 4 years. Welfare is up, 47% now on welfare, Jobs are down. You know that liitle known bill passed by Pres. Obama? Called the “Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation Act of 2012″? It eliminated those on unemployment. Explain please, we would like to listen.

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Of course the numbers are up, they only take polls in the inner-city areas where the welfare recipients are.

You misunderstand. When they put those polls together they use REAL math. Not REPUBLICAN math.

Real math uses real numbers and equations.

Republican math uses magic.

Real math gives rational analysis of things/events so that adults and/or intelligent people can reasonably foretell what is going to happen, within 10% of error.

Republican math gives people pleasure. I Like to call it matherbation. It doesn’t do anything, it’s not realistic, but it does make republicans FEEL better.

So I understand your confusion — you can choose REAL math and come up with the truth, OR you can choose REPUBLICAN math and come up with pleasure.

Keep matherbating my friend. If it makes you feel better, just keep on matherbating.

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the cat

January 24th, 2013
12:06 pm

Fred-you aren’t helping your cause any, whatever your cause may be as it changes from day to day…….
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Truth. And it remains constant despite what you claim.

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@Fred – Go fix your machines.

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“Drama Bum.”

Lets stop the drama cons and get back to facts do matter.

Deal?

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I don’t have a problem with what you are saying getalife… everyone has a right to express their opinion… But I think it might be good for you to realize that to some of the more reasonable disposition/mindset, you come across as being just as crazy as the “cons.”

Dems and Reps are both sitting in glass houses right now… should either side really be throwing rocks?

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Fred ™

January 24th, 2013
12:07 pm

I’ll take you 12:05 to mean you have nothing else to add DIA. I thought not

You don’t listen to reason anyway. And, just so you know, after recent personal experience with appliance repairmen, I hold them with extreme disdain!

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HDB, nice linkee…

Let’s start with African-Americans. Republicans, whatever they might say publicly, won’t actually try to win more black votes. Why? Because the positions the party would have to embrace to win black votes are abhorrent to the GOP base. Which, you may have noticed, is kind of racist. Now, people like me—pundits of the respectable class—aren’t supposed to talk that way. We’re supposed to cooperate in the fiction that the Republican Party is the party of Lincoln and underneath it all yearns to reawaken the great Jack Kemp tradition.

All that is a bunch of rot, I’m afraid, and the rank and file’s racism is just a plain fact. Ever read some of those Fox News website comment threads on race stories, like this rather fascinating thread when Whitney Houston died, or certain Obama articles? It’s like reading Bull Connor’s diary. No, this doesn’t mean every conservative is a racist. But it does mean that if you find yourself at a table with five conservatives and try to break the ice with a watermelon joke, you’re very likely to get somewhere between two and three laughs.

Pretty much nailed it.

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You misunderstand. When they put those polls together they use REAL math. Not REPUBLICAN math.

Until the election night of 2012, I thought Megyn Kelly had no purpose on this earth. How wrong I was.

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rightwingextreme

“Now, once we pass this law there won’t be anymore killings or shootings going on….cause all the bad guys gone turn in they guns! ”

Do you ever read or watch news or do you just write whatever pops into your head?

Or given your moniker, maybe it’s just that Jay’s thread has caused a reality crisis.

Just tryin’ to help you out -

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getalife, you consistently make use of ad hominem attacks and name-calling.

It is all intended to provoke and does nothing to actually facilitate the compromise this country desperately needs.

I’m headed to lunch–later!

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@ Debbie, back to good old standby:RACE, you can do better, I’ve seen it…..

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Headline: “Which combat jobs for women?”

“The Defense Dept. must now decide whether to admit women to units such as Navy SEALs or Delta Force.”

Admit ? Admit ?

How about we “admit” women into the NFL ??

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@DownInAlbany – “Kind of like the magic you libs use to come up with the imaginary “surplus” under Clinton? You last name is not Te’o by any chance is it?”

Now that’s funny!

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DannyX

January 24th, 2013
11:49 am

There is nothing noteworthy about these poll results. If you go back to prior presidents polls at beginning of second term, you will find similar numbers…common sense wouldn’t you agree?

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@WAW – Not to worry, Hillary handed it to them yesterday

You’re actually proud of what Hillary did yesterday? Wow, you have really hit bottom. The 4 men who died, asking for help, deserve better.

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“The truth is that most of the party’s problems are of its own making.”

True that. When they crawled into bed with the evangelicals and the tea party wackos they painted themselves into a corner. That, plus the lingering memories of the toxic George W. Bush administration and his toxic Rubberstamp Congress…they’re doomed to years of irrelevance.

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“Dispense with the lying please.”

Do facts matter now doomy?

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Voter – 11:55

Obama has had to pay huge amounts of interest to cover Bush’s two credit card wars and generous tax breaks to the rich.

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12:02 cult of personality alert. Libs do love they cult of personality they do.

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WELCOME

Ever thought of changing your moniker to Welcome to the Jungle?

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“There is nothing noteworthy about these poll results. If you go back to prior presidents polls at beginning of second term, you will find similar numbers…common sense wouldn’t you agree?”

Stevie, in this case I would disagree. Hillary Clinton is by far the most popular politician in the country right now, she appeals to a lot of different people. I think she has a clear advantage and will win, easily, if she runs.

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rightwingextreme

Much thanks for the clarification!

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“Admit ? Admit ?

How about we “admit” women i”

Services (primarily Army and Marines) stalled reforming the process for senior field grade and general officer promotions so it was not dependent on fields were prohibited from serving in. They didn’t. So SecDef Panetta took care of it.

Plus, the service chiefs couldn’t answer ‘where’s the front line” that you want to exclude women from?

Perhaps you can answer that question, ’cause the 4-stars couldn’t.

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@Goldie – “Every day I thank God we have President Obama in the White House today!”

I got news for you, having President Obama in the White House is NOT a blessing.

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Lunch time. Later

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make that

“and general officer promotions so it was not dependent on fields WOMEN were prohibited from serving in.

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Its’ up to BO and his cronies during this second term whether any DEM gets to throne. As mentioned BO’s arrogance may be his achilles heel…

Please, pray tell, how is “BO” “arrogant”? What has he done to have earned that moniker? Breathe?
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Godless: Is that why Obama smoked her on 2008? Hillary has a lot of baggage ( a whole set of Samsonite in addition to Bill). She’s going to have to beat Clueless Joe, first.

He “smoked” her as you put it, because Hillary SUPPORTED the war in Iraq, Obama didn’t. Her support cost her the nomination.
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Voter: She is a liar and the worse leader I’ve ever seen. She let those who work for her die, while covering her butt by saying we didn’t have the budget, or oh yeah, I love this one, ” I never saw those cables requesting more security” What a dope.

Uh huh. Keep whistling past the graveyard; but whatever you do, don’t look behind you. There’s something coming, it’s called PAY BACK. Sorry.
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Fred: I think I found out where our old friend and regular poster, USMC went:

Fred, you are soooo bad!!! But I like that about you!
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It’s a man thing, meaning, in my book, we protect the women.

You’re ignorant of how the military works these days. Women go out on patrol. Women protect men all the time. Women needed this policy to change in order to have an equal shot of advancing through the ranks.

Hardly surprising you’d be opposed to that.

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“Another State’s GOP Pushing Welfare Drug Testing”

Pee in a cup and call it freedom.

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The gop are trying to cheat by changing the electoral college.

It is all they have left.

Cheating and lying so they should disband.

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voter

You’ve been eating what you’ve been shoveling yourself…this blame all the debt on obama is for the ignorant – welcome to your party!!!

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“And for the record, I don’t think you shot anyone let alone a kid but it sounds like I missed quite a dustup here. I have no idea if you’re the “bad guy” or not, or if there was an identifiable bad guy in the ruckus.”

Aquagirl,

Just to bring you up to speed the cat just made up some completely BS statement and wrote that I had “applauded” the Newtown massacre which is in and of itself is just plain crazy. I asked him to back up his completely BS assertion and to date he can’t- reason being its complete and total BS of course.

“It’s the same as MMA, I don’t want to watch a 5 round decision with the usual feints and lockups. I wanna see those superman punches and spinning backfist knockouts.”

Ha! Another MMA fan. I was real busy for a couple weeks and could only show up briefly on the night shift. And on one a them night shifts Sooth suggested that we put together a cage fight with me and TC against keep and kam.I told Sooth I don’t need no stinking partner or headgear and that keep and kam could wear headgear. Now being a liberal I know you like a good fight and all but if this fantasy cage match ever came to fruition your tag team of k and k would take a big L. But at least you would get to see that devastating knockout that MMA fans crave. Matter of fact you would see it twice. And how would it end? Quickly.

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DannyX

January 24th, 2013
12:29 pm

Agreed on Hillary but the levels enjoyed by BO/Biden are consistent at this point and can only go down at those before them as the high pro re-election glow fades….as mentioned, if he ignores the economy and our P&L/balance sheet in favor of guns, gays, climate whatever…his problems will snowball as often is the case when outflows materially exceed inflows. I’d like to see him offer amnesty under controlled circumstances and empty any illegals from our prisons and dump them back where they came from…doubtful that will happen.

Guns leglislation, has been needed but will not result in any meaningful decrease in gun violence…certainly at unprotected gathering areas and definitely not schools. I think before any action is taken on climate change or whatever it is called, we should throw an equivalent amount of cash at those skeptics and let them scientifically challenge those who say the right things and get all the grants..

I worry his focus on these areas offers no real solutions….simply political theatre devoured by a less than informed general electorate.

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@Paul – I was just saying past, present or future, I personally don’t want women in combat. Like I said, not because they can’t, I just want them like they are, sweet, innocent, mothers, workers, teachers, etc. I love them and want to protect them.

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Women in combat, gay marriage, hell we have a twice elected african american in the WH. My how times they do change. Remember, “Hope and CHANGE”?

Why not go to the popular vote for Prez elections? It would have swung things the other way a couple of times…to the dems and pubs.

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“Pee in a cup and call it freedom.”

I gotta pee in a cup for my job. What’s the difference?

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Fred – I think some of the logic you are capable of has been pushed aside by your emotions toward all things Bush. Early on Bush was asked about the surplus disappearing and he said, ‘we had a recesson, we were attacked and we’re at war’. In hindsight invading Iraq looks like a pretty horrendous decision. However, you completely misstate the mission. The mission in the ME wasn’t to hunt down and kill bin Laden, Oh overtly they were hunting bin Laden and AQ and other terrorists. but the primary US pobjective in the ME is always to keep the oil flowing through the Straits of Hormuz. Iraq has lots of oil, Afghanistan does not. And whether or not that appeals to your ethics, the 2007 recession pales compared to what will happen if the oil stops flowing. Look for significant US involvement in Iran in the near future even with BO as the CinC,. for the same reason.
Bush failed to mention that in the face of all that he pushed for the largest tax decrease in history, mostly for the rich, and that he pushed through the mostly unnecessary Medicare (D), needing to buy a few votes after the narrow 2000 election win. I think those were his biggest sins.
I don’t think he singlehandedly destroyed the economy either. The housing bubble burst on his watch, and Dems and Reps contributed to the creaton of that bubble.
Lastly, when President Obama and the Democratic congress of 2009-2010 failed to pull out the troops and in fact surged 50,000 more into Afghanistan, it became his war. When they failed to reverse the Bush tax cuts and wouldn’t even let them expire automnatically, and instead bought votes with an additional 2% SS reduction in a system that was already heading toward insolvency, they become his tax cuts.

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I think someone has gotten just about the last bit of mileage from the FOXBOT cliche’. Let’s give it a rest already. Thanks

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“David Brooks is “conservative” only by contrast to the rest of their staff. ”

Who knew Russ Douthat was a lib? Learn something new every day on this blog

“Ross Gregory Douthat (pronounced /ˈdaʊθət/; born November 28, 1979) is a conservative American author, blogger[1] and New York Times columnist. ”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Douthat

If most on here knew a tenth about the NY Times that they claim to know, they might be able to locate the crossword puzzle,

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Buffoonish Post Alert. Scummy is going to beat up the blog again being the Master of Stupidity and all. The subtlety, the brilliance…. I swoon. Kamscorn’s 1 fan club president. Summy can’t get us out of his head, even when we’re gone he dreams about us.

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Is not women in combat, truly, a return to Leave It to Beaver.

you’re sooo lucky that there really is no Hell.

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Voter
January 24th, 2013
12:28 pm

@indigo – “Obama has had to pay huge amounts of interest to cover Bush’s two credit card wars and generous tax breaks to the rich.”

He has paid nothing. he could’ve stopped both wars and brought them home any time he wanted. He could’ve passed legislation or another executive order any time any wanted to stop the tax breaks.”

Lest you forget: ALL appropriations start in the HOUSE!! Note how the President wanted to close ‘Gitmo…but the HOUSE kept the appropriations! You decry Obama for Benghazi…but how about Congress’ CUTTING the appropriations for State Department SECURITY??

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Class of 98

Is William Kristol also a liberal? He writes at the times.

How about Krauhammer in the AJC?

And Kyle next door?

(see AJC liberal rag meme)

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I personally don’t want women in combat. Like I said, not because they can’t, I just want them like they are, sweet, innocent, mothers, workers, teachers, etc.

You really need to get out of the house more, we’re not all sweet and innocent. Actually you don’t need to leave the house, several women have kicked your butt right here.

And women are not here to be whatever you want them to be. We’re not your cattle or mommies. Grow up, junior.

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Pea,

I don’t think peeing in a cup and give it to government is freedom.

Got it?

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Voter

That’s fine – thanks for the clarification. But it is a profession many choose. I think they’re still avoiding the issue of promoting women to the top spots but this is a way to knock out a justification some services use to shut out women from senior ranks.

“You have to have served in the combat arms to make this rank” is still used as justification.

Funny how the services will make it a requirement to have served in a combat unit to be able to command that unit, but they can take a guy with absolutely no background in a support area and as long as he’s had the requisite combat arms tours or has wings, well, hey, he has good people on staff so he doesn’t need to understand all that technical stuff!

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Bless your heart, Getalife.

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Lest you forget: ALL appropriations start in the HOUSE!! Note how the President wanted to close ‘Gitmo…but the HOUSE kept the appropriations! You decry Obama for Benghazi…but how about Congress’ CUTTING the appropriations for State Department SECURITY??

Libs still blaming others! After the Libs own it!

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“Funny how the services will make it a requirement to have served in a combat unit to be able to command that unit, but they can take a guy with absolutely no background in a support area and as long as he’s had the requisite combat arms tours or has wings, well, hey, he has good people on staff so he doesn’t need to understand all that technical stuff!”

OMG, I agree with Paul.

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Yes there are racist in the repub party just as Indigo and debbie-whatever she is today, in the dem party..fact of life, it’s everywhere, I’m not proud of it and I don’t like it , but I do not obsess about it…we’ll work on it as we acess all the problems in this country and not fall back on it’s existence as the all -revealing aspect of any one party…

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Aquagirl

“You really need to get out of the house more, we’re not all sweet and innocent”

Are you my ex-wife?

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If most on here knew a tenth about the NY Times that they claim to know, they might be able to locate the crossword puzzle,

They still wouldn’t be able to solve it. (Well, maybe Monday’s…)

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stands for decibels

January 24th, 2013
12:53 pm

You would have a very difficult time proving the former and my issue resides with the editorial board and opinion columnists. They do a great job covering the news..check out the Washington Post…you may dig it.

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Holtz lost a little credibility when he (just because he coached there) had the nerve to say Notre Dame could beat ‘Bama. I am a UGA fan, but if that was his assessment he has a screw loose. It was an insult to the sporting nation for them to EVER be ranked #1, as they were not a top five SEC team. It was not the distractions, etc. that cost them…..they just did not beling on the field. It was not a fluke…’Bama would beat them 100 out of 100 games.
Here is my point, finally. Wannabe’s wanted Notre Dame back to glory. Yeah, they improved but are not close to what they once were. Holtz bought into it and looked like a nut. Therefore, his thought process is now proven to be a little “off”. Good man, but the game is past him now. His commentary should not affect too many peoples political view one way or the other. Too a large degree, us independents see that with some of the political parties today. Either the process has moved past them, or they are blinded by past glory. Come ‘on folks…there are solutions out there. You do NOT have to be a Tea-Party Republican or a Robin Hood liberal to find them. You just have to be able to compromise, use common sense, and “don’t let the game get past you.”

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“this doesn’t mean every conservative is a racist. But it does mean that if you find yourself at a table with five conservatives and try to break the ice with a watermelon joke, you’re very likely to get somewhere between two and three laughs.”

I once heard that certain political parties, with rather limited membership, are like watermelons–green outside and red inside. I’m conservative, and I laughed. Disclaimer: I have no idea what the demographics of these parties are. HDB and/or dB, will you kindly tell me WHAT in blazes the watermelon joke has to do with racism???

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Afternoon, Doggone/GA

Relax. Plain Truth doesn’t even know what a baby is.

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Much to Jay’s discomfort, the GOP is doing fine here in Georgia. Maybe he is yearning for the days of Gov. Talmadge or perhaps the 130+ years of democratic control in this state. How about Roy Barnes so that he can steal more money from the GA 400 toll & give us the northern arc?

Maybe you libs can use the national elections to lift up the state democratic paryt from life support:

http://georgiaunfiltered.blogspot.com/2012/03/democrats-go-broke-while-party.html

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I did not realize there was a discussion going on about the NYT. The last public editor, Arthur Salisbury, asserted the the the paper’s liberal bias bleeds even into the news reports on the front page. Dan Okrent, the best PE the Times employed, was harsh in his criticism and even made Krugman retract lies in three of his columns during Okrent’s tenure. Kristol writes for the Weekly Standard. The conservatives whose columns appear here (with the exception of Kyle) are all in syndication and are given a bit of space to justify the AJC’s claim that the paper is *balanced.*

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voter

“The Stimulus Cost Much Less Than Bush’s Wars, Tax CutsRepublicans frequently have blamed the $787 billion stimulus for the national debt, but, when all government spending is taken into account, the stimulus frankly wasn’t that big. In contrast, the U.S. will have spent nearly $4 trillion on wars in the Middle East by the time those conflicts end, according to a recent report by Brown University. The Bush tax cuts have cost nearly $1.3 trillion over 10 years.”

“The Deficit Grew Under George W. BushWhen George W. Bush took office, the federal government was running a surplus of $86 billion. When he left, that had turned into a $642 billion deficit”

“The Deficit Is ShrinkingLast year’s federal budget deficit was 12 percent lower than in 2009, according to the Office of Management and Budget.The deficit is projected to shrink even more over the next several years”

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Plain Truth

January 24th, 2013
12:51 pm

Why is those abortions (there are about 2-3 million a year) any of your business?

If this is a christian thing, I would suggest to you that the whole “Christian” based country we reside mirror the tenets of the church itself. For example, we as a country believe in the phrase, on a global basis: “live and let live..like us”. Otherwise we will bring hellfire and damnation (after the pamphet drops) upon you until we can leave the country will corrupt elections just like us…

If that is indeed your angle, I have a suggestion for you. I recommend that all those of faith who are against womans choice step up 3 million times a year and provide a loving family environment…put your money where your faith is..

Of course if your thoughts are not faith based, please disregard everything i’ve said excepting leading question..

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Mr Right, the FOXBOT,not the JAYBUTT
January 24th, 2013
12:53 pm

Excuse me, but doesn’t the GOP control the HOUSE…therefore appropriations?? Where else should the blame lie??

southpaw
January 24th, 2013
12:59 pm

In many cases, watermelon jokes are used as pejoratives against black people….and the preponderance of those types of jokes are made to inject negative stereotypes about minorities…and a lot of times, this is found to be done in conservative circles……….

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“Lest you forget: ALL appropriations start in the HOUSE!! Note how the President wanted to close ‘Gitmo…but the HOUSE kept the appropriations”

Just ignore the fact that dems controlled the house, senate & executive branch the first two years of Obama’s 1st term.

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Did Aquagirl take everything you own again?

That happens a lot, lol.

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The truth hurts doen’t Doggone..it’s a fact pantywaist!!

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“I personally don’t want women in combat.”

I dunno. A woman in a bikini wielding an AK-47 looks pretty hot to me.

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rightwingextreme

January 24th, 2013
1:09 pm

Why is it any of your concern? You don’t have to have an abortion if you don’t want to.

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“News flash! It’s basically the same bunch, dude!

The right wing Georgia Republican party of today is basically the same as the right wing Democratic party of yesterday. Get it!!!!???

Jeez. Thick skulls around here.”

Dr. Tom Price is a liberal of yesteryear???
Same for Dr. Gingrey????
Same for Westmoreland???
Same for Rep. Graves????
Same for Broun???

Admit it clown, you guys are stuck with imbeciles like Hank Johnson.

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I am angry with both parties! I think Hillery one yesterday but she scares me! We should stay home & mind are own business! I’m one of those old white guys.

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Doggone/GA

January 24th, 2013
12:53 pm
Now why would you scream out a denial about the reality of Roe vs Wade!

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“I personally don’t want women in combat.”

I dunno. A woman in a bikini wielding an AK-47 looks pretty hot to me.”

LOL, I do like the way you think….

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Same old argument. Blame Bush, blame Bush.

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Jay, someday I hope to shake your hand and tell you in person how much your intelligence and truth saying has meant to me over the years. You are as much a natural resource of this state as Brasstown Bald or Cumberland Island.

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voter

Sorry the truth hurts so much, deal with it instead of hiding behind fictional myths…

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“Pejorative is the word that comes to mind. When you wake up and have that favorite morning beverage you will not remember what a dumba&& statement you blasted across the web.”

When the GOP stops nominating big-government progressives like McCain and Romney, and starts nominating true fiscal conservatives like Ron Paul and/or Gary Johnson, then they’ll win another election. Until then, they’re just Democrats with a more socially intrusive agenda.

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shrinking population of old angry racist bigoted homophobic paranoid white dudes is the demise of the gop, they appeal to no one else

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@nathan’s political arsonist

“shrinking population of old angry racist bigoted homophobic paranoid white dudes is the demise of the gop, they appeal to no one else”

Which is why most people under 35 identify as libertarian–the only political philosophy which is all-inclusive, regardless of race, gender, religion, or sexual orientation. People should be able to live their lives any way they see fit, just as long as they don’t intrude on the liberties of anyone else.

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drew, i agree totally. just not many under 35 libertarians in the current current congress or state legislature

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gaining ground though, and entertaining to watch the death rattles of the gop

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@nathan’s political arsonist – “voter, here’s some info for your little mind. abortion is legal”and @Dekalb Comments – “The problem with your statement is most Americans support the right of a woman to control her reproductive health”

That does NOT make it right. Sin is sin, the people of Sodom and Gomorrah had the majority, had the legal right, probably, but we see what happened to them. Murder is murder whether legal or not.

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