With Hillary testifying, GOP gets its Benghazi moment
According to U.S. Sen. John McCain, the Obama administration has conducted a coverup of “massive proportions” regarding the assassination of Ambassador Christopher Stevens in Benghazi last year. Other Republicans have implied that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was so terrified of having to testify before Congress that she faked a major illness (”Benghazi fever”) to avoid the appearance.
Well, today will be the day to put up or shut up. Clinton will testify, alone, before committees in both the House and Senate. If McCain has evidence for his claims, let’s see it. If there’s something so earth-shaking about the Benghazi tragedy that Clinton was quaking in her boots at the prospect of being asked about it, this would be the time to bring that information forward.
GOP presidential hopefuls Rand Paul and Marco Rubio also sit on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, giving them the opportunity to do battle with a potential opponent in 2016, should they choose to do so. Clinton enters the hearing with 65 percent of America viewing her favorably, and only 29 percent unfavorably. After all the braying on the right about Benghazi, this is their chance to make the charges stick, in public.
Again, should they try to do so.
An investigatory blue-ribbon board appointed by the State Department has already outlined operational failures and deficiencies that contributed to the deaths of Stevens and three brave members of his team. It also calmly and factually repudiated fanciful claims by the conservative media that the Obama administration could have intervened militarily but chose not to do so.
That report implicated Congress as well, noting that “the solution requires a more serious and sustained commitment from Congress to support State Department needs, which, in total, constitute a small percentage both of the full national budget and that spent for national security.” The metric often bandied about in Washington is that the Pentagon has more authorized personnel in military bands than the State Department has professional diplomats.
Again, there is no question that the Benghazi tragedy revealed important lapses of judgment among State Department personnel, including Stevens himself, as well as institutional problems within the department. Clinton, who will soon be leaving office, has acknowledged those problems and pledged to correct them, a task that her probable successor, John Kerry, will have to continue. As part of its oversight function, Congress has every right to press Clinton on the progress she has made.
But since news of the Benghazi attack first broke, Republicans in Congress and the conservative media, led by Fox News, have tried to portray it as something much more sinister. McCain, for example, suggested that Benghazi was worse than Watergate, the scandal that ended Richard Nixon’s presidency. Such claims have always seemed grossly exaggerated based on the available facts, but again, if he and others have the evidence to back such hyperbole, this is their chance to present it to the American people.
I’m betting they don’t.
– Jay Bookman
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Scooter
January 23rd, 2013
11:59 am
Getalife,
W predicted O.I.F. would clear the way for other citizens in the region to demand more representative government and that is exactly what is happening. What those representative governments look like is the lingering question, and the opportunity.
“Nobody listened to w but you cons.”
I know… and it showed.
DownInAlbany
January 23rd, 2013
11:59 am
Joe Hussein Mama
January 23rd, 2013
11:55 am
Can you perhaps establish that money was being wasted by the State Department and the Diplomatic Service?
It’s the federal government, isn’t it?
Paul
January 23rd, 2013
12:00 pm
DownInAlbany
I do not know. I do seem to remember hearing much of that $300 and some million not funded was for Tripoli, not Benghazi, but I never verified it. I do remember the State Dept’s regional security officer telling Cong Issa that no level of security contemplated would have prevented/repulsed the attack. Issa pretty much blew by that.
alex
January 23rd, 2013
12:00 pm
Uh huh, take a breather look up the Forrester fire, watch the video,think about what Mcain went through in the “Hanoi Hilton” and get back to us……I, personally think Mcain would be best to retire, but I’ve met the man, read the books, watched the videos and quite frankly,what he went thru was quite extrodinary….
Towncrier
January 23rd, 2013
12:01 pm
“I’d have thought that as a military guy you’d be real familiar with what ‘decimated’ means – it’s origins and all.”
Non sequitur. Last I knew, they don’t teach either Latin, etymology or Roman history in the military (unless perhaps you are at West Point or some such academy). But, otherwise, a nice (false) premise to build upon to a reasonable point.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
January 23rd, 2013
12:01 pm
Recon 0311 2533
January 23rd, 2013
11:53 am
I guess we will have to disagree. The Republicans did nothing in the way of proof of what they were implying. All in all, they looked like gelded roosters strutting to me…all dance and no action.
getalife
January 23rd, 2013
12:02 pm
Scooter,
w made Iran strong by occupying Iraq so the consensus is it was a disaster.
Just the truth man.
Uprising’s in the ME done by their people is the way to go Scotter.
Not us.
Recon 0311 2533
January 23rd, 2013
12:03 pm
Paul,
We could argue semantics but that would avoid what’s been occurring in the Middle East, North Africa, Central Asia and South East Asia. If you’ve been paying attention I think you’re well aware that the radical Islamic Jihadist movement is far from being decimated, destroyed, significantly reduced or no longer an effective fighting force. You can take your pick.
pete
January 23rd, 2013
12:03 pm
Come on, move along…nothing to see here. 4 dead Americans…no big deal. Now, if a Republican were in office, than Jay and his ilk would be screaming the EXACT SAME THING.
Get off your high horse Jay.
Adam
January 23rd, 2013
12:04 pm
Oh, is everyone enjoying how Hillary was totally TROUNCED by Republicans today?
Good, because I am here to remind you that Obama won and has four more years, and that the House Republicans caved on raising taxes and they suspended the debt ceiling.
You can have your Benghazi cake, but you can’t eat it too.
captguitarman
January 23rd, 2013
12:05 pm
Well, that’s one version, I suppose. I don’t know if it was worse than Watergate – no one died because of the Watergate scandal – but that is irrelevent. The travesty with Benghazi was that it was a foreign policy screw up of enormous consequence based upon the administration’s misguided policy that if you treat cobras and rattlesnakes and water moccasins “nice” they will be nice back to you. A fundamental misunderstanding of the Islamasist / terrorist mind set. The highly inconvenient “timing” of the incident one month before the presidential election was a critical part of the all hands on deck to obfuscate, dissemble, “investigate” and shut this thing down until after November 6.
Even more disquieting, it was just one more reminder that journalism in the lamestream media is dead. The lamestream rallied around Obama and helped to keep the lid on with barely any coverage. Yes, Fox covered it with an investigative and critical eye, the only major news outlet that did, and it wondered again and again how the administration could go for so long without telling the American people what really happened. If not for the hated Fox News, there would be no critical and skeptical and investigative journalism at all related to the Obama administration. Never before in our history has the national/press/news/media been so far into the tank to help a President implement his policies with as little criticism as possible. And yes, the did level one major criticism when this happened, which made them look silly and showed how wrong they were – about Romney, of course – “he spoke out too soon.” But based on the way this has gone, not soon enough. And now, over 4 months after this happened, the person who was in charge finally deigns the Congress with her presence to answer some hard questions.
Doggone/GA
January 23rd, 2013
12:05 pm
“Now, if a Republican were in office, than Jay and his ilk would be screaming the EXACT SAME THING”
And we did..except we screamed about 4500 American DEAD
getalife
January 23rd, 2013
12:05 pm
Hillary owned the gop and embarrassed them.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 23rd, 2013
12:06 pm
DIA — “It’s the federal government, isn’t it?”
Come on, sir, I’m trying to meet you halfway here.
Can you definitively establish that they’re wasting money? I’m not saying that they *aren’t* — rather, I would like you to show me that they *are,* and perhaps *where* it’s being wasted. You know, what’s it being wasted on?
what a country
January 23rd, 2013
12:06 pm
sure would like to know what insurance company covers prexisting cinditions
Paul
January 23rd, 2013
12:07 pm
getalife
“I did not see one Senator that compete with the intellect of Hillary Clinton.
I think after serving in State, it made her a better President if she does not retire.”
I can’t think of any Republican who’d walk into a debate with her feeling confident.
Joe Hussein Mama
DownInAlbany alluded to a good point. These agencies use huge sums for various things, some of which appear to be… excessive. From DoD pending a quarter mill (is that the right amount?) for a float in a parade to an agency refurbishing executive bathrooms for a gazillion dollars. It’s the nature of large organizations.
Which is why it drives me nuts to hear cons say ‘any cut to the Defense budget weakens our security!”
We’ve got to get off this idea that $ spent = security.
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 23rd, 2013
12:08 pm
JHM
Can you definitively establish that they’re wasting money?
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Sure McConnell’s insurance and retirement
The other half of your brain.
January 23rd, 2013
12:09 pm
Granny Godzilla
January 23rd, 2013
9:49 am
Fred
WHen you are well and truly done wiping the floor with “The other half of your brain.”,
don’t forget to wring and rinse and hang out to dry.
Very well done.
Granny, And I’ll let you wipe my ASS also.
getalife
January 23rd, 2013
12:09 pm
Again, why did the intell fail in Benghazzi and Algeria.
Did w’s intel reform fail?
Obviously it did so what are they doing to fix it ?
Where are the hearings?
Paul
January 23rd, 2013
12:11 pm
Towncrier
“Last I knew, they don’t teach either Latin, etymology or Roman history in the military”
You’re obviously not familiar with the campaign/history battles, results and influence on development of tactics and strategy covered in ROTC, the NCO academies, company grade professional military schools, or the field-grade pme schools.
But now you are!
The other half of your brain.
January 23rd, 2013
12:11 pm
Hillary, Threw Suzzy Rice under the bus, than cried. What a put on, nothing can make her cry, not even Monica.
DannyX
January 23rd, 2013
12:11 pm
Looks like Hillary turned the Republicans political gold into a lump of coal!
Looks like Hillary will increase her favorabilty rating, look for Republicans to sink even lower.
How low can it get for the Republicans? They have already sunk below the Bush-Mendoza line. That’s horrible.
DownInAlbany
January 23rd, 2013
12:12 pm
With Hillary testifying, GOP gets its Benghazi moment
How about this as a headline? With Hillary testifying, the families of 4 dead Americans get their Benghazi moment
It’s all a matter of perspective, I suppose. I haven’t seen one single comment from this one…
Paul
January 23rd, 2013
12:15 pm
Recon
Why are responses “We could argue semantics” when the main point (avoided in the answer) is whether or not AQ is in worse shape now than when Obama took office?
You are aware that those areas you cite are often independent from the mideast? Or their control? And I do hope you’re not advocating we have a military presence in all those areas just because we or they call themselves AQ.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 23rd, 2013
12:15 pm
Paul — “We’ve got to get off this idea that $ spent = security.”
FWIW, that’s what I was driving at, but in a different way than you were.
Towncrier
January 23rd, 2013
12:15 pm
“The manner in which the opposition party in America has flipped and flopped and tried to make something out of nothing–the “nothing” being imagined chicanery and conspiracy to advance a phony explanation for the violence–is nothing short of baffling.”
And the rush to paint the attack as something it was not by the WH and SD (you know, instead of just saying – like we are investing the situation and are not able to conclusively say at this time..blah blah blah) and those who smooth over this (at best an) ill-advised approach are nothing short of baffling. I mean, what homicide detective (without knowing all of the facts) says in his first press conference that the serial killing in his city is due to a negative response to a movie about Aileen Wuornos (because one of the cops on the scene floated that hypothesis)? WHY would anyone do that – not to mention the “leader of the free world”?
Mick
January 23rd, 2013
12:16 pm
Marco rubio just validated the concern that he is not ready for prime time, now or ever…
DannyX
January 23rd, 2013
12:17 pm
A Republican Senator had a bad reaction to the Clinton testimony saying, “Wow, we now wish she was still too sick to testify, this really backfired on us.”
DownInAlbany
January 23rd, 2013
12:17 pm
Joe, gotta go to lunch with the boss…we’ll reingage later…
Dang!
January 23rd, 2013
12:18 pm
What we know:
Four people killed on U.S. territory.
Our government knew in the first day that it was a terror attack.
Two weeks later an administration spokesperson blamed the attack on protesters.
A week after that, Obama implied to the U.N. that protesters were partially to blame.
If this does not raise questions for some of you then so be it. For me it raises questions.
indigo
January 23rd, 2013
12:18 pm
Williebkind – 11:11
I am able to think for myself.
Someday, when you have finished high school and hopefully some college, maybe you will be able to do the same.
guy
January 23rd, 2013
12:20 pm
We wouldn’t even have a discussion on this if we would keep out of that part of the world to begin with.
Oscar
January 23rd, 2013
12:21 pm
The gop senators really showed their bias and lack of integrity. scrtch those on he committee for consideration forr presient in the future. clearly they are not qualified. They don’t have ggod judgment and are not reasonable men.
Robert Lee - Cogito ergo zoom
January 23rd, 2013
12:22 pm
Down in Albany – Maybe I’m confused on this but when someone signs up to be an mecenary, they kind of expect to be in harm’s way. Ambassador Stevens was told not to go to the unprotected areas and he chose to do so anyway.
Tell me, did the families of all the Marines who died in Beruit get their moment?
Towncrier
January 23rd, 2013
12:25 pm
“You’re obviously not familiar with the campaign/history battles, results and influence on development of tactics and strategy covered in ROTC, the NCO academies, company grade professional military schools, or the field-grade pme schools.”
I am a veteran and I am telling YOU most “military” people are not (or were not) taught the meaning of the term “decimate”. I allowed for the fact that SOME people may be taught what it means, but you used the unqualified phrase “as a military guy…”. As I said, it was a non sequitur.
indigo
January 23rd, 2013
12:25 pm
Dang!
What we really DO know is that, in that part of the world, the difference between a terror attack and a prosters attack is minimal at best.
That it seems to be such a huge difference to those of your ilk shows both tool ignorance and deliberate Republican manipulation of said deluded.
stands for decibels
January 23rd, 2013
12:25 pm
I mean, what homicide detective (without knowing all of the facts) says in his first press conference that the serial killing in his city is due to a negative response to a movie about Aileen Wuornos (because one of the cops on the scene floated that hypothesis)?
Point taken, except that of course, this isn’t a local act of savagery, but one committed half a world away.
Oscar
January 23rd, 2013
12:26 pm
guy – have to agee. Should not be there at all. we can get our oil from north, central and south america. all that we need.
Oscar
January 23rd, 2013
12:28 pm
dang 12:11 takes a while to sort out the facts. and some info needs to be kept classified for secruity reasons
Joe Hussein Mama
January 23rd, 2013
12:28 pm
R. Lee — “Tell me, did the families of all the Marines who died in Beruit get their moment?”
FWIW, one of the Marines that died that day was a high school friend of mine. What sort of ‘moment’ are you referring to, please?
Get Real
January 23rd, 2013
12:31 pm
Jay…the title of your column should read that the country gets its Benghazi moment not just the GOP. Not everyone swallows the White House spin hook, line and sinker as you do…
Oscar
January 23rd, 2013
12:32 pm
stands – makes it even more importaant to be careful about what you say.
Paul
January 23rd, 2013
12:33 pm
Towncrier
“I am a veteran and I am telling YOU most “military” people are not (or were not) taught the meaning of the term “decimate”. I allowed for the fact that SOME people may be taught what it means, but you used the unqualified phrase “as a military guy…”. ”
Maybe you haven’t been around long enough, but both RECON and Scout (Scout moreso) have held themselves up as ‘I’m military, I know all about this stuff, I was in ‘Nam in foxholes so I’ll tell you the way it was and is and ever shall be.”
No need to think anything said to either of them applies to you in such cases.
Stevie Ray
January 23rd, 2013
12:33 pm
So each side is already claiming victory? Congratulations to all.
What little I did see was that Durbin made an ass of himself suggesting that bush had weapons of mass destruction pitch that turned our false…thus suggesting he is ok for the communication to be questionalbe or erroneous since Bush did it…of course on a larger and more murderous scale…
Another example of how desperately DEMS and BO want his legacy tied to BUSH..
stands for decibels
January 23rd, 2013
12:34 pm
Is the Benghazi moment more ack-rately called a “Benghazm?”
Paul
January 23rd, 2013
12:35 pm
“What we really DO know is that, in that part of the world, the difference between a terror attack and a prosters attack is minimal at best.
That it seems to be such a huge difference to those of your ilk shows both tool ignorance and deliberate Republican manipulation of said deluded.”
indigo, Scout left some time ago. Would you please repost it when he returns? I’d really like to see his reaction to being labeled ‘ilk.”
Thanks!
Joe Hussein Mama
January 23rd, 2013
12:36 pm
G. Real — “Jay…the title of your column should read that the country gets its Benghazi moment not just the GOP.”
I’d say the country got its Benghazi moment on Election Day and you’re just hacked off because you don’t think you got enough sprinkles and chocolate syrup on yours.
getalife
January 23rd, 2013
12:37 pm
I would call for a classified intel hearing on why intel missed providing any warnings for 7 dead Americans in Africa.
I would cut them some slack because it is an almost impossible job and very dangerous but would want to know if they learned from it and fixed it or the reform failed.
That being said, Hillary absolutely destroyed johnson so bad mccain had to try to help him.
That was the highlight of this hearing.
Stevie Ray
January 23rd, 2013
12:37 pm
Dang!
January 23rd, 2013
12:18 pm
Don’t forget the little diddy about it being the 4th quarter of a re-election fight…All we really need to know is that it was 911, we were in the mist of an election, and contradictory information went on for weeks…..
Any Libs here who would not ferociously attack if the GOP offered the same circumstances???
stands for decibels
January 23rd, 2013
12:37 pm
apropos of nothing, but the blogger Atrios recently reposted this
http://www.eschatonblog.com/2006/03/merkin-patriot-writes-letter.html
For those who, like me, continue to get some snarky enjoyment from the contributions by our own Redneck Convert, I thought you might appreciate another approach to such parody.
(the “MERKIN PATRIOT” character used to post frequently to Atrios’ blog.)
Robert Lee - Cogito ergo zoom
January 23rd, 2013
12:38 pm
JHM, I was responding to Down inAlbany when he asked if the families of the 4 Americans who died in BEnghazi had had their “moment”.
FWIW, I am good friends with a former Marine who was stationed in Beruit until he got tired of getting shot at by snipers when they could NOT return fire. After days of the same sniper trying to kill him in his M60 nest, he fired off a some rounds and got a dishonourable discharge for it. He was discharged 2 weeks before they barracks bombing.
Oscar
January 23rd, 2013
12:39 pm
MeCain loooked like his head was about to explode when Hillary was saying his judgement was clouded by his emotions and dismissing him as an old man wth issues.
Towncrier
January 23rd, 2013
12:43 pm
“Maybe you haven’t been around long enough, but both RECON and Scout (Scout moreso) have held themselves up as ‘I’m military, I know all about this stuff, I was in ‘Nam in foxholes so I’ll tell you the way it was and is and ever shall be.No need to think anything said to either of them applies to you in such cases.”
Fair enough, but “decimate” is a Latin term (I took Latin in college – along with a course in Etymology) and I would bet that neither Recon or Scout – despite their experience – would ever have been taught the etymological meaning of that word.
BTW, about half the words in the English language are Latinate. That gives us (as opposed to, say, the Chinese) a leg up in learning a so-called “romance” language like Spanish. I went to Mexico City when I was an undergraduate studying Latin and, though I could not speak Spanish, I found I was able to make sense of the Mexican newspapers.
Uh Huh....GOP grab a cigarette now that you have had your Benghazi "MOMENT"
January 23rd, 2013
12:44 pm
@td
January 23rd, 2013
11:53 am
Somebody is probably correct since a convicted murderer on death row is also “somebody”. A respected “somebody” I seriously doubt it.
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The rantings of the ignorant classes are the dangerous classes.
Cons are dangerous.
Erwin's cat
January 23rd, 2013
12:45 pm
indigo – Someday, when you have finished high school and hopefully some college, maybe you will be able to do the same.
this seems to be your go-to insult when being debated…interpreted by many as “I got nothin’”
getalife
January 23rd, 2013
12:46 pm
rand thinks the SoS job is to sit at the computer reading cables all day.
rand is ignorant of government but he is a rookie so there is a learning curve.
Hopefully, he took this lesson Hillary owned him on and will learn from it but doubt he will.
Granny Godzilla
January 23rd, 2013
12:46 pm
The other half of your brain.
January 23rd, 2013
12:09 pm
Granny Godzilla
January 23rd, 2013
9:49 am
Fred
WHen you are well and truly done wiping the floor with “The other half of your brain.”,
don’t forget to wring and rinse and hang out to dry.
Very well done.
Granny, And I’ll let you wipe my ASS also.
.
.
.
.
Well I’m quite sure it needs it.
A fire hose, some bleach and a good old fashioned scrub brush could do the trick.
oh and….a hazmat suit for sure.
cleanliness is next to godliness
ole’ stinky bottom!
Jack
January 23rd, 2013
12:47 pm
Hillary looked confident and took responsibility, Paul looked pathetic and McCain looked constipated.
Erwin's cat
January 23rd, 2013
12:49 pm
Is the Benghazi moment more ack-rately called a “Benghazm?
only if the moment lasts 30 secs or less
stands for decibels
January 23rd, 2013
12:49 pm
Delusional Randian SHEETZ.
Get Real
January 23rd, 2013
12:51 pm
Does not sound like anybody is objective on either side today regarding Clinton’s testimony; I look forward to hearing the multiple news cycle spins on it this evening. Should make for entertaining viewing..
indigo
January 23rd, 2013
12:52 pm
Erwin – 12:45
Those kind of posts suggest you desperately need to leave here and get back to your homeschooling work.
How do you ever expect to reach the 10th grade at this current pace of learning?
AmericaShrugged
January 23rd, 2013
12:52 pm
Whitewater, Vince Foster, and now Benghazi; clean as the driven snow those Clintons.
Grranny Godlesszilla
January 23rd, 2013
12:59 pm
She will lie just liike Bill!
Matti
January 23rd, 2013
12:59 pm
The He-Man-Woman-Haters Club of America has been trying to trash Hillary Clinton for decades, publicly assaulting her from every possible angle, from her looks, to her personal choices, marriage, clothes, abilities, ambitions, faith, from being too robotic to tearing up under pressure, well-thought statements, and inevitable misstatements of the perpetually sleep-deprived. How dare that woman go to law school? How dare the Governor’s wife work outside the mansion? How dare she have opinions? How dare she make MONEY in the commodities market? How dare she NOT leave her husband after what he did? Oh, who could blame her husband for what he did? That’s not a real marriage. Look at her thighs. What kind of woman wears pantsuits? Listen to her shrill voice. That’s not a real laugh. Who does she think she is, using her brains and experience and contacts to get THAT job? Surely she does not think working her tail off for OUR country, all over the world, non-stop, and being damned good at it, would get her a reprieve from the pettiness of the He-Man-Woman-Haters Club, does it? Just because our intelligence officers deemed the details of the Benghazi incident CLASSIFIED, and therefore not for the average private citizen’s consumption with his 600-calorie morning muffin, does not mean the HMWHC of America will pass up an opportunity to trash her publicly once again!
And again, as always, no matter what kind of mud they sling at her, or how many times they spit on her, she holds herself with dignity, grace, and composure, and rises above them. Yay, Hil! A shining example for daughters everywhere.
Towncrier
January 23rd, 2013
1:00 pm
:For those who, like me, continue to get some snarky enjoyment from the contributions by our own Redneck Convert, I thought you might appreciate another approach to such parody.”
It is not so much parody as satire (a parody targets a specific original work rather than a kind of person). RC’s “contributions” are better, in my opinion (I actually enjoy them much of the time, even as a conservative). The piece to which you linked is too overt and unsophisticated (like the excessive use of misspellings).
You want an example of brilliant satire? Look no further than at Gulliver’s Travels. Gulliver is the narrator of the story, but he himself is an idiot. In studying that work, I once made a discovery no one else had: the illustration of the Word Machine of Lagado does not match Gulliver’s description! So not only is the device itself ludicrous and a satirical emblem of the “learning” of Swift’s time, but the narrative literature of the time (travel journals and so on) was also being satirized by a narrator who fawns over an idiotic device he can’t even accurately depict! THAT is funny.
beam me up
January 23rd, 2013
1:00 pm
Anybody else remember what National Security Advisor Condoleeza Rice was doing two days before the September 11th attacks? She was doing the rounds on Sunday talk shows specifically to talk up Bush administration proposals to cut taxes for wealthy Americans. Later on, that administration would claim they were all worried that something was coming but they didn’t know what. If we weren’t calling for her head, I don’t really see why we would want Hillary’s. Oh wait, she’s going to be the next President of the United States if she wants the job.
Gale
January 23rd, 2013
1:02 pm
You tell it, Mattie!
Skip
January 23rd, 2013
1:04 pm
If your Benghazi lasts more than four hours see a doctor.
Stevie Ray
January 23rd, 2013
1:04 pm
Jack
January 23rd, 2013
12:47 pm
Are you suggesting that there are any winners or losers in this crap? The circumstances surrounding the post-handling of the attack are suspicious enough to warrant a hearing. What is a win for you? That BO and his crew are found to have acted above and beyond the typical call of duty?
This “oh Hillary is winning and it’s close to a knockout’ commentary is of no value. All of us should want to get to the bottom of this regardless which party denies or which party spikes the ball…
Regnad Kcin
January 23rd, 2013
1:06 pm
I am a veteran and I am telling YOU most “military” people are not (or were not) taught the meaning of the term “decimate”.
=============
I don’t remember where I picked it up – random reading I suppose. Didn’t know there were any other meanings than one-tenth.
BTW – I respectfully disagree that “half” of English can be trace dback to latin or rmance languages. There’s an awful lot of Germanic and Old English in the mix.
Gale
January 23rd, 2013
1:06 pm
They didn’t call for Condi’s head because she isn’t Clinton. Don’t you know the Clintons are evil incarnate? If Clinton decides to run, there is nothing new the Rs can come up with against her. We have heard it all. And now, she has a much higher credibility rating.
Scooter
January 23rd, 2013
1:08 pm
Getalife,
The uprisings in the M.E. WERE the predicted result of OIF, they ARE happening and Hillary DID say they present an opportunity <—— those are facts.
Plain Truth
January 23rd, 2013
1:11 pm
Nazi’s said that Jews were less than human as their enemies say the same thing today, American people said Blacks were less than human for centuries and now Democrats say that the unborn children that are unborn and aborted by murder( 50 Million) are less than human!!.
Towncrier
January 23rd, 2013
1:16 pm
“BTW – I respectfully disagree that “half” of English can be trace dback to latin or rmance languages. There’s an awful lot of Germanic and Old English in the mix.”
Not as much as you think. Investigate it and see. It all began really changing during the Renaissance. Compare Shakespeare’s language to that of Chaucer. The influx of Latinate words through French (once the “lingua franca” of the world) and academic and scientific coinages using Latin (and Greek) cognates are a big reason for the “non-Germanic” quality of our language. English is a mutt.
Gale
January 23rd, 2013
1:16 pm
Plain Truth, your analogy is not even close. Living talking adults are not comparable to foetuses.
GT
January 23rd, 2013
1:19 pm
The right stays confused in this thing. They put Stevens in the same frame as the 9/11 victims that were victims caught in a situation not at all their making. To say any of the over 3,000 knew they would die this way that day would not be true. Stevens is a soldier who signs up for duty absolutely knowing the temperature of his job. He, I would think, could see this in the cards somewhere before he signed up and definitely was not a draftee or soldier forced to stand his post.
As for communications, I remember the aggressive FOX Network on at least one occasion getting their story wrong (, actually two, the presidential election was a nuke for them too). That would be the Supreme Court decision on healthcare and they didn’t miss it by announcing what they hadn’t been hoping for but miss it by saying it had been turned down. Now this is in Washington under slightly better reporting conditions yet they missed it and missed it to the right. So Hilary missed it left from half way around the world, with third world communications and a fire storm in progress, and FOX comically wants her on the carpet. And if there is any quaking I can promise you it will be those right wing congressmen who only got elected because they were saboteurs not intellectuals that can match wits with Hilary.
Williebkind
January 23rd, 2013
1:24 pm
“DIA — “My point is, you can’t spend all of your money on filet mignon and lobster tails and then complain when you don’t have money to buy toilet paper.””
Use your left hand!
Granny Godzilla
January 23rd, 2013
1:26 pm
Grranny Godlesszilla
January 23rd, 2013
12:59 pm
She will lie just liike Bill!
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Some coward got his fee fees hurt, perhaps he should find the other half of his brain.
Wait….I bet it turns up when his old stinky bottom gets cleaned up!
Williebkind
January 23rd, 2013
1:37 pm
“Stevens is a soldier who signs up for duty absolutely knowing the temperature of his job.”
So that makes incompetence ok, you can die as long as it is Hillary’s incompetence or putting herself ahead of her countryman. You can only think of Fox which is good because everytime you mention it someone will tune in and get both sides of the story.
Adam
January 23rd, 2013
1:45 pm
I’ll say this once: Hillary is NOT getting the nomination for President in 2016.
GT
January 23rd, 2013
2:00 pm
Williebkind there is a good argument Bush’s incompetence caused 9/11 but we dumb middle of the road people couldn’t figure out that was a time to make political hay we thought it was all of us being attacked.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
January 23rd, 2013
2:13 pm
Paul @ 11:16
Marines fight out of “fighting holes” not foxholes. Foxes hide in holes.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
January 23rd, 2013
2:23 pm
Paul:
Geez ………. the CIA, the FBI, the President, his press secretary and even Hillary said it was a “terrorist” attack !
But not JAY or PAUL !!!
Just one example:
2012 Benghazi attack – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Benghazi_attack
“Carney said, “It is, I think, self-evident that what happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack. Our embassy was attacked violently, and the result was four deaths …”
Seriously Folks
January 23rd, 2013
3:07 pm
Oh goodness gracious there seems to be a lot of Cons on here today!!! And posting ALOT… but this is “blogporn” for them…Clinton AND Obama in the same article?? Holy CRAP!!! I can hear heads exploding all over Metro Atlanta!!!! lol