The GOP’s unconvincing embrace of ‘compromise’

Doggone/GA

January 22nd, 2013
8:44 am

“It’s nice to see that they can now utter the word “compromise” in public without melting down like the Wicked Witch of the West.

That’s progress, of a sort.”

Not if they are still defining “compromise” as “my way, or the highway”

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

January 22nd, 2013
8:46 am

What does Grover say?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 22nd, 2013
8:47 am

Well technically she was dissolving. Melting requires heat. Dissolving water.

Simple Truths

January 22nd, 2013
8:47 am

It was good to read that Jay had one day of positive posts celebrating the life and teachings of MLK. Alas, he is back to his attack on the GOP.

Fly-On-The-Wall

January 22nd, 2013
8:48 am

Doggone – I agree. The Republicans still seem to utter that word with distain.

Doggone/GA

January 22nd, 2013
8:48 am

“Alas, he is back to his attack on the GOP.”

but they make it so EASY! I’m sure it’s hard to resist

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
8:49 am

Even if all Obama accomplished was putting the entire far right on the defensive, it is a good day.

Now they have to DEFEND themselves, instead of fighting straw men and being on offense all the time.

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
8:50 am

Personally, I don’t believe that anything Obama might have said yesterday, short of “I resign,” could alter the suspicious atmosphere in Washington.

True that

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
8:50 am

Alas, he is back to his attack on the GOP

“WHIIIINNNNE! Stop attacking me for my beliefs!”

WIMPS!

Fly-On-The-Wall

January 22nd, 2013
8:50 am

Simple – as Jay should because the Republicans made the recovery slower and much worse for many people just so they could push an ideological agenda that helped no one.

Steve-USA (I don't have all the answer's, I don't even know all the questions)

January 22nd, 2013
8:51 am

I didn’t vote for Obama but I never remember an Inauguration day filled with so many petty complaints. President Obama won the election fair and square and this is usually considered a day of celebration for the country.

All the criticism seemed classless and not very gracious by the losing side. At least wait one day before you start the verbal assaults.

JMHO

Doggone/GA

January 22nd, 2013
8:52 am

“All the criticism seemed classless”

not “seemed”…WAS

stands for decibels

January 22nd, 2013
8:54 am

their latest rhetoric suggests that maybe, just maybe, they may be coming to understand the political damage they have inflicted on themselves by such behavior.

I’m willing to hope that’s true.

Anyway, all eyes should be on Harry Reid today–I know blogspot is ready when I am, but I hope Jay goes there, later.

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
8:55 am

And yes, I am saying we can keep blaming Bush for that. It’s the same as blaming rats for the Black Plague. Just because you’re sick of hearing historians say it, doesn’t mean it stopped being true.

Mick

January 22nd, 2013
8:55 am

Let the games begin, meet the new congress same as the old congress. Will harry reid have the cajones to modify the filibuster? Will republicans obstruct, then attempt to blame obama for it? Has the radical kenyan marxist transformed the united states into another euro satellite? Stay tuned…

godless heathen

January 22nd, 2013
8:56 am

The way I read the above graph the score is 52 to 38. The diff being 14%. Only 7% will have to change their opinion to make it 50/50. My prediction is that there will be a shift of at least that much when immigration and gun control are debated this year – but that’s just a guess.

indigo

January 22nd, 2013
8:56 am

I believe the Republicans were utterly convinced Romney would win.

His loss is something they still haven’t gotten over.

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
8:58 am

In other news, Republicans (the kind *I* like, HI FRED and TBG!) once knew that tax cuts had a cost and increased the deficit:

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/22/when-tax-cuts-were-a-tough-sell/

DannyX

January 22nd, 2013
8:58 am

Republicans have moved on.

Republicans have gone from trying their hardest to make sure Obama is a one term President to inventing ways to impeach him.

Progress.

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
8:59 am

Mick: Has the radical kenyan marxist transformed the united states into another euro satellite?

“Could John Boehner’s DOOMSDAY machine be stopped in time? Who fathered Nancy Pelosi’s love child?”

Granny Godzilla

January 22nd, 2013
9:01 am

What a bunch of maroons!

It was not CODE for a liberal progressive agenda.

It WAS a plain understandable American English liberal progressive agenda.

Elections have consequences.

It’s wonderful.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 22nd, 2013
9:02 am

All of this could have been avoided if Obama had just invited Oirly Taitz to be on stage with him.

thuggishNews

January 22nd, 2013
9:03 am

republicons and compromise don’t belong in the same statement. to them the word means i promise to come. that’s it.

Union

January 22nd, 2013
9:04 am

http://youtu.be/oGcbXiuCM0o

classy.. lol

Brad Steel

January 22nd, 2013
9:05 am

….but they (Republicans) have been extremely successful in setting the tone that they now condemn.

Indeed, the Republicans have been far more skilled and strategic at setting the political gone. Unfortunately, the tone has been antagonistic, obstructionist and toxic to running the country.

That is why Republicans keep losing elections. Good luck with that.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

January 22nd, 2013
9:05 am

Not sure this particular crew is ready for any counter discussions about the talking points from inaugural speech but here is a good alternative view:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/michael-gerson-obama-shoves-idealism-into-its-grave/2013/01/21/3c8847bc-6412-11e2-85f5-a8a9228e55e7_story.html

Joe Hussein Mama

January 22nd, 2013
9:08 am

This is a great century for Americans. Not only do we have our first African-American President, we also have our first Orange-American Speaker of the House.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

January 22nd, 2013
9:09 am

Jay

January 22nd, 2013
9:04 am

Calling you out as master of the obvious today.

Do you have any similar poll results for the beginning of Bush’s second term? Not sure what it would say but it seems that the most recent polls in terms of timing are the norm as opposed the the exception…

I may be wrong but just my opinion. Logic would suggest that any elected official who recently won popular vote generally would have most of the populace more confident in the winners politics..

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

January 22nd, 2013
9:09 am

Union,
Your mother raised you well…

barking frog

January 22nd, 2013
9:10 am

Every day the Republicans will have to eat the crow that they cooked themselves.
It might taste better with a good chianti…….

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

January 22nd, 2013
9:10 am

Joe Hussein Mama

January 22nd, 2013
9:08 am

Couldn’t agree more. However, I submit to you that Obama is more beige than black..ergo, he is the first beige president wouldn’t you agree?

Granny Godzilla

January 22nd, 2013
9:10 am

Michael Gerson and the new “compromising” GOP….

You snooze, you lose.

Day late and a dollar short.

Move your meat, lose your seat.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 22nd, 2013
9:12 am

S. Ray — “Couldn’t agree more. However, I submit to you that Obama is more beige than black..ergo, he is the first beige president wouldn’t you agree?”

I was kinda waiting for our first Hispanic-American or Italian-American President before using the “B” word.

Dharma Bum

January 22nd, 2013
9:12 am

Expect more of the same…

Name-calling
Blaming
Snide remarks
Demonization
Denigration
5-second soundbites

…and not a single bit of leadership from either side

independent thinker

January 22nd, 2013
9:12 am

How dare Obama define the words in the Declaration of Independence granting the right of the pursuit of happiness to mean a right to medical care along with the admonition that the 47% the GOP despises are not takers! The nerve of that Kenyan Marxist and then to mention in the same speech personal responsibility-what kind of nonsense is that? And to state that the rich are getting richer while the middle class is getting poorer-what the heck does that have to do with the pursuit of happiness????. We have a god given right to be vulture capitalists shipping jobs overseas for profit with minimal taxation and to be gun traffickers for profit- Isn’t that the meaning of the pursuit of happiness? Isn’t that what the American Revolution was for?

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

January 22nd, 2013
9:13 am

JAY

My bad as your column suggests “extreme” views as opposed to which is more popular. Same question applies, are any similar polls available for prior presidents? Of could this simply be a partisan poll where the answer was known well before the polling?

Regardless, you posit today is rather thin compared to the norm you have established…IMO

godless heathen

January 22nd, 2013
9:13 am

The trend is very much in the wrong direction.

Did you see the Falcon’s game Sunday?

joe

January 22nd, 2013
9:13 am

Yea, that’s the ticket…compromise. Something the BHO and the rest of his cronies know nothing about. When is the last time they put forth anything that shows any spending cuts…at all? How about chopping off 15% across the board…no haggling, no nothing.

If you Dems don’t wise up and start electing candidates who actually have the stones to cut, you won’t have a government that can actually pay out any entitlements. They don’t have a blank check to keep writing out to you. It’s not a never ending supply. There is an end. Do you want to be living here with that end comes?

This is a fixable problem, but not if you moochers and leaches keep lining up and signing up for monthly checks from the gobernment. Country first ya’ll.

ATL Tiger

January 22nd, 2013
9:14 am

The next 4 years will look much like the last 2

RB from Gwinnett

January 22nd, 2013
9:14 am

Ah, yes, another Bookman blog about how the R’s need to give the D’s whatever socialist crap they’re asking for this week. Hey, I’ll take all of your posession, libs, what are you willing to compromise?

Just toss the fat kids another cookie and they’ll shut up for a day.

And then they’ll start whining about something else they want thats “just so unfair…” Like a bunch of friggin’ children.

jconservative

January 22nd, 2013
9:15 am

Members of Congress are the last ones who need to complain about the deficit. The last two years the 112th Congress gave us two straight trillion dollar deficits.

We await the wisdom of the 113th Congress.

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
9:15 am

Stevie Ray: Not sure this particular crew is ready for any counter discussions about the talking points from inaugural speech but here is a good alternative view:

That article misses a key point: The Elected Republicans (Hi Fred and TBG!) were the actual problem here, focusing on NO rather than on an alternative policy agenda, and with absolutely zero effort to reach across the aisle, laying all of the responsibility for reaching to be done by Democrats. Which they did. Over and over again. As the Elected Republicans and strategists had planned. They had hoped all of their saying no to everything (even if it’s their own idea) would go unnoticed and that their rhetoric about how Obama promised bipartisanship was all Obama’s fault, when they were the ones creating the real divide.

Let's see...

January 22nd, 2013
9:15 am

…how much compromise is there in the statement by Obuma that “taxes on the wealthy must be increased before we talk about spending cuts”; or, “taxes on the wealthy must be increased and I will NOT consider spending cuts”. Finally, BEFORE the election Obuma said that he would entertain both taxes AND spending cuts; after the election he said he would only consider tax increases as a way to “attempt” to balance the budget

Seems like this issue cuts both ways…and, as usual, Jay is only presenting one side…

the cat

January 22nd, 2013
9:16 am

It was very telling that Boner wanted to be anywhere but at the inaguration yesterday. The look on the speaker’s face was reprehensible.

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
9:16 am

…and not a single bit of leadership from either side

Sorry, but Obama has showed leadership time and again. Boehner’s attempts have mostly failed. It’s the rabble rousers who are the problem.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 22nd, 2013
9:17 am

I. Thinker — “How dare Obama define the words in the Declaration of Independence granting the right of the pursuit of happiness”

No rights are granted via the Declaration of Independence; it is not a legal document and has no force of law.

The Constitution makes it quite clear that individual rights are *asserted* by the people, and that we *permit* the Federal and State governments to use the powers delegated to them in our name.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

January 22nd, 2013
9:18 am

independent thinker

January 22nd, 2013
9:12 am

This whole “vulture capitialist” and shipping jobs overseas banter is getting old. Both have been around for years, including some of liberals favorite investments such as Apple…I know vulture capitalists and if you are incinuating Romney represents one then you may want to take a hard look at the definition perhaps review fact check.

Ben Franklin said that the document guarantees the “pursuit of happiness”…obtaining happiness is up to each individual…

The same definition can be used in many ways. That being said, is Romney a bigger dope that the incumbent? By a wide stretch..

St Simons - aboriginal Bootakook 2014

January 22nd, 2013
9:18 am

you see so many broken irony meters…

trickle downers free mahhket opportuniteh! win-ning!

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
9:20 am

independent thinker @ 9:12a:

Yes, Obama’s speech was full of words that conservatives will be very pissed at, because it is all true.

Freedom means being able to collect the Social Security you paid into all your life, and doesn’t make you a taker
Freedom means that you are treated equally under the law, and that you have an EQUAL OPPORTUNITY, something the conservatives oppose, while claiming they “guarantee” it.
Freedom means the ability to live your daily life without having to be prepared to be in a war zone any minute of your life.
Freedom means the ability to get an education if you want one
Freedom means the ability to live your life healthy and happy even if you don’t want to get a high level education and just want to work at a grocery store.

THAT is what freedom means.

RB from Gwinnett

January 22nd, 2013
9:21 am

Joe, “If you Dems don’t wise up and start electing candidates who actually have the stones to cut, you won’t have a government that can actually pay out any entitlements”

You’d better start understanding pretty quickly that the liberal way is to continue on the exact path they’re on while always promising their voting base they’re going to make somebody else pay for it all. There is no plan to cut any spending and there won’t be any time soon because they don’t want any of their voters to figure out they’re being lied to in a massive ponzi scheme that keeps the voters enslaved while it keeps them in office.

And it keeps the Phil Mickelson’s of the world looking for another place to call home. Question, libs, how many of you tools does it take to replace the $1.8MM in revenue lost to the CA government if Phil takes his ball and goes home?

Granny Godzilla

January 22nd, 2013
9:21 am

joe

January 22nd, 2013
9:13 am

Yea, that’s the ticket…compromise. Something the BHO and the rest of his cronies know nothing about
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Proceed.

There’s your sign.

Not meant to be a factual statement.

etc.

Thomas Heyward Jr

January 22nd, 2013
9:22 am

For decency’s sake………the Republican party SHOULD just meld into the banker-wh*re, corrupt, war-mongering , violent, racist, torturing, civil-rights violating, drug war pimping whistle-blower procescuting ,Kenysian spending moronic, illegal war, and war-criming Democrat Party………….Most Republicans would feel right at home and this would possibly enable a legitimate opposition party to form.
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C’mon Romney Republicans….metro-man-up ..and …admit it.
Ya’ll are sleazy progressives to the core…too.
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lol

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

January 22nd, 2013
9:22 am

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
9:16 am

The idea that Obama has exhibited true leadership is debatable. He has been at least as divisive as his competition as folks fail to remember his setting the tone with his “we won” garbage before first inauguration when presented with GOP budget suggestions…While the GOP has major structural issues prior, BO set the original tone which arguably created the foundation for a no-trust environment…this is documented in may sources including Woodwards latest..

Doggone/GA

January 22nd, 2013
9:23 am

Heard just a tidbit on the radio yesterday. Didn’t even hear enough to catch the name of the politico…but the reporter asked someone how long he thought the spirit of bi-partisanship would last…and he looked at his watch!

Granny Godzilla

January 22nd, 2013
9:24 am

The concern about Phil Mickelson is so touching isn’t it?

RB from Gwinnett

January 22nd, 2013
9:24 am

Adam, “Freedom means that you are treated equally under the law, and that you have an EQUAL OPPORTUNITY, something the conservatives oppose, while claiming they “guarantee” it.”

Thats just an outright lie, Adam. Pathetic.

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
9:25 am

RB: You’d better start understanding pretty quickly that the liberal way is to continue on the exact path they’re on while always promising their voting base they’re going to make somebody else pay for it all.

Not Intended to Be a Factual Statement

BullDogMike

January 22nd, 2013
9:25 am

Just the first day of another 4 years of total disaster .

Welcome to the Occupation

January 22nd, 2013
9:26 am

Let’s see…

Yeah nice ruminations, but just what the hell political are you actually describing?

Certainly not the one in which the compromiser in chief Obama and his here let me do 5 times the cuts of revenue/tax increases, here I’ll even throw in some cuts to Medicare and Social Security oh please let me please let me! and ALL YOU HAVE TO DO is give me a tiny fig leaf of upper marginal rate increases, just ONE TINY FIG LEAF oh come on, come onnnnnnnnnnnnnnn I’m just DYING to start hacking away at those unaffordable social programs.

See the problem with your “perspective”?

East Lake Ira

January 22nd, 2013
9:26 am

The GOP is stuck and Obama is not going to help them out in any way.

Boo friggin’ hoo.

You cons made your bed, now deal with it. Everybody hates you. Get used to it.

Lynnie Gal

January 22nd, 2013
9:27 am

I’ve heard nothing but negativity from snarling Republicans on CSPAN and websites about how meaningless and unmemorable Obama’s speech was yesterday. Ha! They obviously fail to understand principles and morals and decency: the ideas that make us Americans. They are concerned only with trying to convince their weak-minded followers that greed is patriotic. They fail to rise to the level of understanding even the simplest philosophical ideas. Perhaps three decades of educational failure has produced the modern Republican party. I don’t know. Most people should be capable of comprehending at least this part of Obama’s speech: “Let each of us now embrace, with solemn duty and awesome joy, what is our lasting birthright. With common effort and common purpose, with passion and dedication, let us answer the call of history, and carry into an uncertain future that precious light of freedom.”

Joe Hussein Mama

January 22nd, 2013
9:27 am

RB — “Question, libs, how many of you tools does it take to replace the $1.8MM in revenue lost to the CA government if Phil takes his ball and goes home?”

People move all the time for any number of reasons. Are you suggesting that California should adjust its governance simply to please one person?

Redcoat

January 22nd, 2013
9:27 am

Democrats/Liberals have their definitions and you better like them, because they will not compromise.

Any Democrats/Liberals care to define compromise? I asked first!

PS: Obama wants you to stop the name calling…..you got your orders…..hahaha (we all know that was not meant for you all….right?)

Welcome to the Occupation

January 22nd, 2013
9:27 am

Let’s see…

Should read: What the hell political world are you actually describing?

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

January 22nd, 2013
9:27 am

ADAM

Seems to me the biggest evidence of leadership is overcoming divides between factions. Just as he mentioned in speech. His big strategy since the beginning is blaming on his predecessor.

Aside from is, suspect HC bill passed by DEM majority held congress via some spiffy legislative method, all his alledged successes are in the form of small ball..like his big victory gaining the holy grail of DEM objective, making the rich pay more…small ball.

Thulsa Doom

January 22nd, 2013
9:27 am

“Did Mr. Fast and Furious actually say “compromise”?”

Hmm. So instead of wanting to get to the bottom of why the hell our govt was selling assault rifles to Mexican drug cartels you would rather mock the guy who wants to get to the bottom of it. Priceless! In light of the Sandy Hook massacre and all the talk about the gun issue I wonder just how many people have died from those assault rifles that the Obama administration sold to dangerous criminals.

Doggone/GA

January 22nd, 2013
9:28 am

“You’d better start understanding pretty quickly that the liberal way is to continue on the exact path they’re on while always promising their voting base they’re going to make somebody else pay for it all.”

“Those taxes had been levied according to ability to pay. But the succeeding Republican Administration did not believe in that principle. There was a reason. They had political debts to those who sat at their elbows. To pay those political debts, they reduced the taxes of their friends in the higher brackets and left the national debt to be paid by later generations. Because they evaded their obligation, because they regarded the political debt as more important than the national debt, the depression in 1929 started with a sixteen-billion-dollar handicap on us and our children” FDR 10/21/36

Thulsa Doom

January 22nd, 2013
9:30 am

“They obviously fail to understand principles and morals and decency:”

Sez the party that supports partial birth abortion.

Welcome to the Occupation

January 22nd, 2013
9:31 am

Oh you think Phil Mickelson is bad, look at Larry Ellison, one of the richest men in the country, and world, and a big sniveling brat who can’t be bothered to pay a measly little share of his income in tax assessments and other incidental flea bite on elephant type costs that no one would ever notice in a million years. But oh Larry Ellison notices, yessirreee. He’s a big poo bah, a JOB CREATOR! A Randian HERO. All bow to the CREATORS!

RB from Gwinnett

January 22nd, 2013
9:31 am

Adam, “Freedom means the ability to live your daily life without having to be prepared to be in a war zone any minute of your life.”

Tell it to the victims of these fine citizens. http://www.wsbradio.com/news/news/same-suspects-may-be-responsible-edgewood-carjacki/nT3y5/

Let me guess, libs, they’re just trying to feed their families after trying to find a job for 2 years and it’s George Bush’s fault.

kayaker 71

January 22nd, 2013
9:31 am

Mickelson only represents one of many who are fed up with the system. And people like Granny who want those evil rich to pay even more to support the have nots who refuse to work and support themselves says a lot about who she is. This freedom business goes both ways. Mickelson is free to live where he wants and make as much money as he pleases with being called some kind of pariah. For all you liberals out there, that’s called success….. perhaps something you wouldn’t understand.

Morality?

January 22nd, 2013
9:31 am

E X T R E M E – Anyone that doesn’t walk in lock step with Obama. C O M P R O M I S E – agree and vote 100% for Obama’s SOCIALIST social program agenda. That is what Obama calls compromise. H U M I L I T Y – never was in Obama’s vocabulary.

Thulsa Doom

January 22nd, 2013
9:32 am

“Let each of us now embrace, with solemn duty and awesome joy, what is our lasting birthright. With common effort and common purpose, with passion and dedication, let us answer the call of history, and carry into an uncertain future that precious light of freedom.”

Because a perty speech solves everything. Hopey changey!!!

middle of the road

January 22nd, 2013
9:32 am

I would like to see some REAL compromise – from BOTH sides. Yes the R’s need to compromise, but so do the D’s (and Obama). Yes he won the election, but that should not be seen as some grand mandate to implement only his ideas. R’s still control the House, so any legislation will have to at least involve them.

Medicare is in real trouble – it needs a revenue increase (READ MY LIPS – MORE TAXES) but from EVERY tax bracket. Obama would oppose this as a new tax on earners earning less than $250,000, but IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. SS needs some minor fixing to make it solvent over the long haul – not on the revenue side (IMHO) but in the expenses side. In my opinion, EVERYONE needs to contribute a little towards the federal government. Start with a minimum tax of 1% – raise it by 1% a year up to 5%.

Granny Godzilla

January 22nd, 2013
9:32 am

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2013/01/who-the-hell-is-phil-mickelsons-financial-advisor/

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
9:33 am

Stevie Ray: He has been at least as divisive as his competition as folks fail to remember his setting the tone with his “we won” garbage before first inauguration when presented with GOP budget suggestions…While the GOP has major structural issues prior, BO set the original tone which arguably created the foundation for a no-trust environment…

All this shows is that the Republican strategists who got together on inauguration day in 2009 got lucky with a part of the narrative they could draw on to help enhance their overall plot.

The fact is, Republicans had a WHOLESALE plan to derail bipartisanship, EVEN IF they got their way 100%. No such plan or even thought existed on the Democratic side, and of course the Democrat and Obama response to such a tactic was going to be a little bit peeved. I’m surprised they didn’t catch on sooner. Better late than never.

Obama showed significant leadership on the payroll tax cut, veterans tax cut for businesses, and several other initiatives.

Remember how Obama’s initial position on the payroll tax cut was an extension without a pay for, and how the Republicans balked at that? And yet, later on, in a bipartisan vote in both chambers in early 2012, they passed exactly that, along with an unemployment benefit extension. That was because of Obama’s leadership.

Remember how the Republicans were dead set on tying the debt ceiling vote to spending cuts? Obama refused. And because of Obama’s leadership, the Republicans went along with him. They followed the leader.

It’s only “debatable” because the common beltway narrative, driven by the right wing (because media is really conservative, see several studies on this) SAYS that it is “debatable.”

RB from Gwinnett

January 22nd, 2013
9:33 am

“The concern about Phil Mickelson is so touching isn’t it?”

We know, Granny, he’s one of the evil rich people who deserves every tax increase he gets, didn’t earn any of his money, and is keeping all those poor people down. Probably cheats on his taxes, too, right Granny?

As long as it’s somebody else getting the shaft, it’s all good, right Granny? It’s the liberal way!!!!

Truth-o-meter

January 22nd, 2013
9:35 am

Can’t wait until new secretary of defense starts cutting the military budget. Let’s see how serious conservatives are about cuts then. A few years ago thy went all out to save military bases in their districts from closing. You see, they want cuts as long as it is not in their backyard.

Just wait for Dick Cheney to rear his head in defense of contractors like Halliburton. Get your popcorn ready. This will be a show!

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

January 22nd, 2013
9:35 am

Lynnie Gal

January 22nd, 2013
9:27 am

If reciting overused historic writings or sayings is motivating beyond the week after, then his (retreaded and nebulous) speech will be remembered as unique.

As one writer put it:

They focus mainly on energizing the faithful rather than persuading the undecided.

This goes for both parties and BO’s rah rah speech yesterday is aptly described as such. He needs to come up with something other than old dusty oratory…what he showed yesterday was typical inaugural BS..his great speaking abilities would be better served with new material..

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
9:35 am

RB: Adam, “Freedom means that you are treated equally under the law, and that you have an EQUAL OPPORTUNITY, something the conservatives oppose, while claiming they “guarantee” it.”

Thats just an outright lie, Adam. Pathetic.

Oh really?

Explain how opposing equal pay for equal work is supporting equal opportunity?
Explain how opposing measures that bring education to more poor people and neighborhoods is supporting equal opportunity?
Explain how trying to make abortions, birth control, and health services for women extremely difficult to get or impossible to get is supporting equal opportunity?

Shall I give you other examples?

mm

January 22nd, 2013
9:35 am

The cons are still blaming Obama for their dispicable behavior for the last 4 years.

And they are still blaming Obama for the destruction of the economy under their leadership.

Daedalus

January 22nd, 2013
9:36 am

Stevie Ray says:

“BO set the original tone which arguably created the foundation for a no-trust environment…”

Really? Obama has been President since 2009 and was elected to the Senate in 2004 — but the “no-trust environment” is Obama’s fault?

That’s a knee-slapper. And delusional. Did Obama invent the fiction that Iraq was somehow connected to 9/11 and that he had an arsenal full of WMDs? Did Obama have oral sex with Monica Lewinsky and then lie about it? I think the “no-trust” environment has been around for a lot longer than Obama.

Why not just go back to calling him a jihadist, nazi, Kenyan with a fake birth certificate? The moonbats are lining up on the far right, don’t be late for the bus to crazy town.

Jefferson

January 22nd, 2013
9:36 am

The GOP pounts like little babies. Babies are funny and are laughed at.

Welcome to the Occupation

January 22nd, 2013
9:36 am

…to continue on the exact path they’re on while always promising their voting base they’re going to make somebody else pay for it all

This is the mentality, the pack of lies, that the (mostly GOP) elite have been selling the roobers for a generation now, to fabulous success. The tax system, the corporate governance system, and the economic system at large, with all its gatekeeping functions to protect mega-wealth like patents, etc., have swung so far over in the favor of wealth that it’s not even worth discussing whether it’s progressive in the least anymore and yet the roobers (at least some of them, who populate these boards regularly, and enough of them to keep Limbaugh regurgithons rolling) still keep eating up the old canard about the needy and the bulk of average people who depend on their social programs as being the moochers, instead of the bankers and the well-connected parasites in the finance and government spheres who keep lining their pockets at taxpayer expense.

It’s quite a feat to keep that lie going like that. Or maybe not. Maybe the roobers just have that big of a psychological need to keep buying it.

Simple Truths

January 22nd, 2013
9:37 am

Adam @ 9:33: “No such plan or even thought existed on the Democratic side, and of course the Democrat and Obama response to such a tactic was going to be a little bit peeved.”

Link please?

Granny Godzilla

January 22nd, 2013
9:39 am

kayaker 71

Evil rich?

Never said it. Never thought it.

on the other hand..

do you remember when you admitted you were a racist right here on this blog?

PROCEED

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
9:39 am

Simple Truths: Adam @ 9:33: “No such plan or even thought existed on the Democratic side, and of course the Democrat and Obama response to such a tactic was going to be a little bit peeved.”

Link please?

Are you asking me to prove a negative?

Look, it’s a matter of public record that the Elected Republicans ACTUALLY conspired to say no to everything the President said. Unless you have evidence otherwise, no such event or plan was ever talked about or executed on the Democrat side.

Uh, Joe Hussein...

January 22nd, 2013
9:40 am

…I believe that 13.3% (the CA new state tax rate) of the 443mil Phil earned in endorsements is ore like $5.7mil, and not the $1.88mil you quote…and when you add the 39% of the federal tax Phil would be paying a total of $22.47mil in taxes (before deductions), which is over 50% of his earnings from the endorsements…

Tell me – do you or Granny, or even Jay, pay this much?

Thulsa Doom

January 22nd, 2013
9:40 am

The kooks are frothing at the mouth angry today. Musta been that extra cup a joe.

Granny Godzilla

January 22nd, 2013
9:40 am

RB

You still beat your dog, right?

Erwin's cat

January 22nd, 2013
9:40 am

ha “compromise”!…has either side really done any of that?

DownInAlbany

January 22nd, 2013
9:42 am

Oh good grief. Obama has mentioned a time or two that he “will not compromise…” (libs telling me, “that’s different…” in 3, 2, 1)

Neither side is willing to compromise on some core “values.” What’s new in DC?

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
9:42 am

Thulsa: The kooks are frothing at the mouth angry today.

I am pleased to see you repudiate comments from your own side. Thank you

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

January 22nd, 2013
9:42 am

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
9:33 am

The “facts” as usually is the case are what ever someone wants to believe. What choice did he have over the deficit? Go back and look at the proposal the GOP made to BO prior to inauguration..the feeling of bipartisanship was exceptionally high per BO’s campaign promises of compromise and working with GOP..this is well documented. The points about tax cuts is well taken but it was political suicide for either party to pass on these…it was just a matter of tradeoffs.

I have no idea what you are speaking to relative to the beltway press being overwhelming conservative. I see no evidence and the idea that people buy more of the conservative media crap than the opposite surely isn’t reflective of poll results…

IMO, when the media became news, the news became less credible by a wide stretch..

Granny Godzilla

January 22nd, 2013
9:43 am

Uh Joe….(sockpuppet)

Do I detect a whiff of wealth envy?

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
9:43 am

DownInAlbany: Oh good grief. Obama has mentioned a time or two that he “will not compromise…”

Link please?

Or did you mean “will not negotiate,” which is what he ACTUALLY said?

Doggone/GA

January 22nd, 2013
9:44 am

“Or did you mean “will not negotiate,” which is what he ACTUALLY said?”

Beat me to it!

Thulsa Doom

January 22nd, 2013
9:45 am

So Phil is gonna take his ball and leave. Good for him. Sucks for the parasites of California. Sooner or later the kooks run out of other people’s money. Either that or other people just take their money and go elsewhere. You would think the kooks would learn. You would think. But they never do.

Simple Truths

January 22nd, 2013
9:45 am

Adam @9:39 “Are you asking me to prove a negative?”

I’m asking you to prove what you wrote. In trying to make your claim, you made a wild statement. I’m calling you on it.

Welcome to the Occupation

January 22nd, 2013
9:45 am

This is your party of compromise for you.

Virginia GOP Pulls ‘Dirty Trick’ On Inauguration Day

Democrats in Virginia are accusing state Republicans of taking advantage of a prominent civil rights leader’s trip to Washington for the presidential inauguration to pull a “dirty trick” in order to take control of the state Senate in the 2015 elections.

The state Senate is split 20-20 between Republicans and Democrats. On Monday, while state Sen. Henry Marsh (D) — a 79-year-old civil rights veteran — was reportedly in Washington to attend President Obama’s second inaugural, GOP senators forced through a mid-term redistricting plan that Democrats say will make it easier for Republicans to gain a majority.

With Marsh’s absence, Senate Republicans in Richmond had one more vote than Senate Democrats and could push the measure through. The new redistricting map revises the districts created under the 2011 map and would take effect before the next state Senate elections in Virginia and would redraw district lines to maximize the number of safe GOP seats.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/01/republicans-dirty-trick-inauguration.php

TaxPayer

January 22nd, 2013
9:45 am

Republicans “compromise”. So that’s their new code word for pooh.

kayaker 71

January 22nd, 2013
9:45 am

Ah, yes….. the adulation, the fawning…. you might have thought that Henry the Eighth was parading through Washington. Where were the rose petals, the plastic columns….. just what a supreme narcissist needs to make his day. The next four years?….. more of the same. If you don’t get your way, blame someone…… then convince those sheep who voted for you that the Republican Congress is to blame. Never take a hit for something that was your fault. Never let a crisis go to waste. Narcissists do not know the meaning of humility, especially this clown. Doesn’t even know the word exists.

weetamoe

January 22nd, 2013
9:46 am

Most divisive president in history. Eliminationist rhetoric from both him and his democrat never-ending campaign toilers. His communitarianism is much more extreme than Etzioni’s and his notion that individual liberty is possible only in a collectivist society is the most oxymoronic assertion ever made in public. Meanwhile, cute photo of Michele at the *luncheon,* elbows planted firmly on table, shoveling food into mouth.

Bob

January 22nd, 2013
9:46 am

Our kids debt will be 22 trillion in 4 years after these groups compromise.

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
9:46 am

Stevie Ray: Go back and look at the proposal the GOP made to BO prior to inauguration..

You’ll have to link me to said proposal, because I don’t know what you’re talking about, or forgot what you are talking about.

have no idea what you are speaking to relative to the beltway press being overwhelming conservative. I see no evidence and the idea that people buy more of the conservative media crap than the opposite surely isn’t reflective of poll results…

Poll results don’t mean reality. Here is a study reported on by that bastion of liberalism, The Examiner: http://www.examiner.com/article/the-media-is-biased-but-it-sure-isn-t-liberal

This study wasn’t put together viewing outlets like Fox News exclusively, it contained, the New York Times, the Boston Globe, the Washington Post, CNN, NPR, and MSNBC. These outlets have often been lumped together as the so called Liberal media.

Journalist Eric Alterman believes the myth of media Liberal Bias is a masterful though false construction. In fact, it has been so successful over the years, that no one with what the Right would define as Liberal views, can even hope to be given a fair shake in the press today because of fear of being charged with liberal bias.

As this report notes, there is very little positive coverage of the 2012 campaign for either side. If you looked at the Washington Post, the New York Times, Boston Globe and Los Angeles Times, the total positive coverage was less than ten percent of the total. Even here, in both the Boston Globe and Washington Post, positive coverage of Romney was 2-3 percentage points higher than for Obama.

In this study Fox News was as expected, 75.8% of the time more negative to Obama and Democrats. What is remarkable, considering the long held belief in liberal bias, is the percentage bias against liberals of so called liberal outlets.

In this study CBS News is negative to Democrats 63% of the time compared to only 33% for Conservatives. The Washington Post is negative 61.8% of the time to the Democratic Party or so called liberal views, USA Today is negative 59.6%, the New York Times is negative 57.1%, and CNN 56.7% of the time. Only NPR was postive to liberal views 51% of the time and MSNBC 63.4% of the time.

On October 17, 2011 Pew Research Center Project for Excellence in Journalism found much the same results. In this study negative assessments outweighed positive assessments by a 4-1 margin. In the 23 weeks of news coverage studied, at no time did President Obama’s positive coverage ever exceed 10%. Also at no time did his negative coverage ever fall below 30%. This was higher than any Republican challenger at the time.

Uh Huh....What About A ConPromise?

January 22nd, 2013
9:46 am

@Simple Truths

January 22nd, 2013
8:47 am
It was good to read that Jay had one day of positive posts celebrating the life and teachings of MLK. Alas, he is back to his attack on the GOP
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“back to his attack on the GOP?”

Are YOU the black sheep of the Truth Hurts family

or the stepchild of Tell The Truth?

Thulsa Doom

January 22nd, 2013
9:46 am

Will not negotiate vs will not compromise? The semantics tap dance kings doing their thing.

Thomas

January 22nd, 2013
9:46 am

Everybody hates you.

Nice…. are we taking a nap before or after our snack today?

barking frog

January 22nd, 2013
9:46 am

Granny Godzilla
RB

You still beat your dog, right?
………………………………………………………………..
Is that what the kids are calling it, nowadays ?

Pizzaman

January 22nd, 2013
9:47 am

I’d write something really meaningful but it wont do any good.

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
9:47 am

kayaker: Ah, yes….. the adulation, the fawning…

I’m sorry, but who was SO SURE that Romney would win that he made a $100 bet?

Don’t think I forgot about that….

Patrick Edmondson

January 22nd, 2013
9:48 am

GOP only search for a compromise after they have lost. They believe they have manifest destiny to rule the world, you know the jingoistic myth of their innate superiority to everyone else. Even if Obama had resigned, they’d be sure it was a conspiracy to “set up” their savior for failure or worse…Obama had sold us out to Mars!

Erwin's cat

January 22nd, 2013
9:49 am

I’m calling you on it.

Good luck with that!

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
9:49 am

Thulsa: Will not negotiate vs will not compromise? The semantics tap dance kings doing their thing.

Will not negotiate: Said many times but only on one specific issue

Will not compromise: DARE you to find any place EVER that he said this.

Truth-o-meter

January 22nd, 2013
9:49 am

If conservatives would listen and heed the advice of General Colin Powell, they would be so much better off. Even when the politicians get their act together they still have their little “blog converts” to de-program. These pages are filled with the same bile we hear from the conservative leaders. What is sad is that they believe every word Cantor, the House Speaker and others say. They do as much harm to the Republican brand as the elected officials.

Time will tell.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 22nd, 2013
9:50 am

Conspiracy theories of a government plot to disarm civilians have reached all the way to Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY). On the eve of President Obama’s second inauguration, McConnell sent an email to his supporters warning that gun owners were “literally surrounded” and should be prepared for an “all-out assault.”

While they may mouth the words “compromise”, its clear that at least with their base of idiots they continue to paint themselves into a corner.

Uh Huh....What About A ConPromise?

January 22nd, 2013
9:51 am

@weetamoe

January 22nd, 2013
9:46 am
Most divisive president in history. Eliminationist rhetoric from both him and his democrat never-ending campaign toilers. His communitarianism is much more extreme than Etzioni’s and his notion that individual liberty is possible only in a collectivist society is the most oxymoronic assertion ever made in public. Meanwhile, cute photo of Michele at the *luncheon,* elbows planted firmly on table, shoveling food into mouth.
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YOU sound like a decendent of the HONEY BOO BOO clan.

I bet you think that HONEY BOO BOO is cute and her mama is

hot..

I guess we better redneckonize.

phil

January 22nd, 2013
9:51 am

Thankfully, the Repubs are in charge of the house. They can at least slow down the ultra liberal agenda. Same goes for when Dems are the minority. The Repubs can’t just run over everybody with their agenda. Balance has always worked best. And the Pres sets the tone for compromise and working together. Many of the past President’s could pull that off. This one can’t. He’s much too divisive and my way or the highway.

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
9:51 am

Simple Truth: I’m asking you to prove what you wrote. In trying to make your claim, you made a wild statement. I’m calling you on it.

To prove which part? That the Republicans held a meeting on inauguration day with a plan to say no to everything, or that Democrats never did the same thing?

Because here’s a hint: I can prove the former, and no one can prove the latter, because the latter is a negative.

Road Scholar

January 22nd, 2013
9:51 am

Where was McConnell yesterday? Getting his head removed from his a$$? Or trying to have a personality transplant to get one!

The Repubs are having trouble with President Obama’s speech because it was in plain English, but all those supposed “code words” have their minds fried!

Thulsa Doom

January 22nd, 2013
9:53 am

“Eric Alterman is a Distinguished Professor of English, Brooklyn College, City University of New York, and Professor of Journalism at the CUNY Graduate School of Journalism. He is also “The Liberal Media” columnist for The Nation and a fellow of The Nation Institute, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress in Washington, DC,”

Yep. Definitely a far left kook. Bwahahaahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaahahhahaha

USinUK - just grateful not to be snowbound

January 22nd, 2013
9:53 am

“Wait: “Compromise”?

Did Mr. Fast and Furious actually say “compromise”? Somewhere, there’s an irony alarm going off”

by compromise, they mean, “do it our way”

Donovan

January 22nd, 2013
9:54 am

Compromise, be damned. We’ve been over this ground before. When the GOP controlled both houses and the WH, the minority Dems played the game of obstructionist very well. They even thought that they were running things. The GOP was wrong to accommodate the weaker side. The Schedule D Medicare legislation was an appeasement bone that backfired into a political club for the minority Dems. When the Dems wouldn’t help seniors the gullible GOP received the knife in the back. Unfunded, you say…what do you libs call this spending jag we’re on?

Compromise? What do you libs call this past taxation (Revenue BS) legislation on only those making $400,000 and leaving the Dems “middle class” alone? I, for one, have been gored once more by your Democrat taxing ox. I do believe that the Republicans were more than accommodating in this recent COMPROMISE legislation.

You and the liberal news media have taken this compromise campaign to its convoluted end. This propaganda is nothing more than a set-up for getting your way with the upcoming debt ceiling fight. Who are you trying to kid? We welcome resistance in the House. You might call it resistance to compromise, but we call it something else. How do you say, we’re not buying.

You can take your cocky attitude , you Leslie Stahl, and your left wing CBS and choke on your idea of compromise.

Simple Truths

January 22nd, 2013
9:56 am

Adam: “Because here’s a hint: I can prove the former, and no one can prove the latter, because the
latter is a negative.”

Then why did YOU write the latter?

Thulsa Doom

January 22nd, 2013
9:56 am

“Will not compromise: DARE you to find any place EVER that he said this”

Adam beating up on straw men again. Whew! At least he only used the single DARE. For a moment there I thought the young feller was going to bring out the dreaded triple dog dare.

the cat

January 22nd, 2013
9:57 am

Thulsa-I don’t know if anyone has reminded you yet today that your views lost all relevance when you applauded the massacre at Newtown. You are scum of the earth and it has become my mission to remind you of this on a daily basis.

Thulsa Doom

January 22nd, 2013
9:58 am

“Then why did YOU write the latter?”

Because Adam do like setting up his straw man.

ATL Tiger

January 22nd, 2013
9:58 am

Phil Mickelson is one of many who will portray society’s most productive citizens as they refuse to be exploited by increasing taxation and government regulations and go on strike. Real life Atlas Shrugged

Welcome to the Occupation

January 22nd, 2013
9:58 am

His communitarianism is much more extreme than Etzioni’s and his notion that individual liberty is possible only in a collectivist society is the most oxymoronic assertion ever made in public

Only in a society eaten up with the moral and intellectual rot that allows a figure like Ayn Rand to become a major thought leader — talk about oxymoronic (emphasis on ‘moron’) – could such a ridiculous misrepresentation as is expressed in this statement be possible.

This is a president who under conditions of the widest chasm in wealth seen in this country since the Depression, and growing apace, still couldn’t even bring himself to mention the word “poverty” a single time in his supposedly big communitarian statement?

Yet he’s a crypto-communist, cry the roobers, just for even making the most timid references to community, mostly veiled in feel-good identify politic language (so as not to worry his Wall St. backers, you know).

What a fraud of a political situation we live in.

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
9:59 am

Simple Truths: Then why did YOU write the latter?

Obviously I did it so that little trolls like you would come out of the woodwork and imply that my lack of evidence of a negative proves the opposite.

Why don’t you just lie down….

Granny Godzilla

January 22nd, 2013
9:59 am

Donovan

“This propaganda is nothing more than a set-up for getting your way with the upcoming debt ceiling fight”.
.
.
And we will be getting our way, no kidding.

The GOP badly overplayed their hand.

stands for decibels

January 22nd, 2013
10:00 am

On Monday, while state Sen. Henry Marsh (D) — a 79-year-old civil rights veteran — was reportedly in Washington to attend President Obama’s second inaugural, GOP senators forced through a mid-term redistricting plan that Democrats say will make it easier for Republicans to gain a majority.

in the immortal words of the late Joe Strummer: “Killers in America work seven days a week.”

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

January 22nd, 2013
10:00 am

Well, I’m sure they can work out something—say, the librul Democrats agree to get rid of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, while the Republicans agree to background checks for gun purchases.

Have a good Tuesday everybody.

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
10:00 am

Because Adam do like setting up his straw man.

Thulsa’s use of “straw man”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

January 22nd, 2013
10:01 am

the cat

January 22nd, 2013
9:57 am

Did thusla really applaud the massacre at Newtown?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 22nd, 2013
10:01 am

cat, wear a helmet. Those moving goalposts and denials go so fast they may tip over at any time.

St Simons - aboriginal Bootakook 2014

January 22nd, 2013
10:02 am

The a.m. radio codeword for today is ‘novel ideas.’

Despite the hilarious irony of that, I will trudge on with a novel idea.

Since the demographics (codeword!) overtake them in 2015
Don’t Compromise s^&*

Peadawg

January 22nd, 2013
10:03 am

Too cute…love reading the comments about “the other side is the bad guy. the other side won’t compromise” coming from both Republicans and Democrats. Thanks for the laugh!!

Uh Huh....What About A ConPromise?

January 22nd, 2013
10:03 am

@phil

January 22nd, 2013
9:51 am
Many of the past President’s could pull that off. This one can’t. He’s much too divisive and my way or the highway.
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DO “you” people have alzheimer’s or amnesia?

REMEMBER?

The top GOP senator signaled early on he had no intention of cooperating with the new president.

Republicans were so determined to thwart President Obama’s agenda that the Senate Minority leader, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, even announced from day one that he was determined to make Obama a one-term president.

WE REMEMBER if you DON’T.

Simple Truths

January 22nd, 2013
10:03 am

Adam @9:59 Hard to have a discourse with you when you just make crap up outside the realm of facts. Your point was valid until you wrote that line.

Elevate your game!

Thulsa Doom

January 22nd, 2013
10:04 am

the cat

January 22nd, 2013
9:57 am
“Thulsa-I don’t know if anyone has reminded you yet today that your views lost all relevance when you applauded the massacre at Newtown.”

the cat,

I’ll send you a $1,000 check if you can show me where I “applauded” the massacre at Newtown. If you can’t then you should just politely quit your lying and shut the eff up.

“You are scum of the earth and it has become my mission to remind you of this on a daily basis.”

Scum of the earth? You mean like a piece of scum that just makes shiite up out of thin air like saying that someone “applauded” the Newtown massacre? I gotta admit- you making up shiite that someone never said or did is indeed pretty scumbaggish.

alittlecommonsense

January 22nd, 2013
10:05 am

Looks to me like the Republicans are the only ones compromising. Obama surely isn’t. Republicans haven’t gotten any of the spending cuts they keep asking for, but Obama has gotten most of his tax increases. When does Obama start compromising?

Thulsa Doom

January 22nd, 2013
10:07 am

“Did thusla really applaud the massacre at Newtown?”

Stevie Ray,

A $1,000 check says that is a DAMN LIE from a LYING SACK OF SHIITE. i’ld like to see the liar try and back up his total BS.

alittlecommonsense

January 22nd, 2013
10:07 am

Wow Cat. That’s pretty disgraceful. You had better be able to back up what you are saying. To say someone “applauded the massacre at Newtown” just because they disagree with you politically.

That is disgusting.

Erwin's cat

January 22nd, 2013
10:07 am

the cat – You are scum of the earth and it has become my mission to remind you of this on a daily basis.

tick tick tick

Soothsayer

January 22nd, 2013
10:08 am

More electric car charging stations open in Atlanta (AJC)

From an apartment complex in Midtown to a Buckhead gas station and an Alpharetta hotel, electric vehicle charging stations are popping up in greater numbers around metro Atlanta despite questions about how much they’ll be used.

Behind the rising numbers: a federal government program that pays part of the cost to homeowners or businesses that install chargers, with a goal of making them handy enough to encourage use of plug-in electric cars.

About 80 have been installed since August under the program, which aims to add 425 public and private charging stations in metro Atlanta by the end of April, according to the city of Atlanta. An unknown number, perhaps in the dozens, had been installed before the subsidy was available.

The program is available across the region, but the city is pushing businesses, shopping malls and other public places to install the chargers so “EV” owners can juice their vehicles when away from home.

We don’t need no stinkin’ gasoline!

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
10:09 am

Simple Truths: Your point was valid until you wrote that line.

My point was valid anyway. There is no evidence or even remote suspicion that the Democrats conspired in anything close to a similar manner.

It is not up to me to prove that statement false.

Thulsa Doom

January 22nd, 2013
10:10 am

“Obviously I did it so that little trolls like you…”

When you know you’ve lost the argument.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 22nd, 2013
10:11 am

Sooth, positive news! That infrastructure is needed. Now if we could get the situation with the chargers worked out at the airport.

Uh Huh....What About A ConPromise?

January 22nd, 2013
10:11 am

@alittlecommonsense

January 22nd, 2013
10:05 am
When does Obama start compromising?
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REMEMBER THIS?

The top GOP senator signaled early on he had no intention of cooperating with the new president.

Republicans were so determined to thwart President Obama’s agenda that the Senate Minority leader, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, even announced from day one that he was determined to make Obama a one-term president.

WE REMEMBER if you DON’T.

RB from Gwinnett

January 22nd, 2013
10:12 am

“Shall I give you other examples?”

Adam, how about you start by giving any examples and not just a bunch of BS liberal bumper stickers. And stick to your claim that conservatives don’t want everybody to have equal protection under the law and an equal opportunity.

No slogans, Adam. Facts.

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
10:13 am

Thulsa: When you know you’ve lost the argument.

Coming from someone who NEVER knows when he has lost.

Objective observers can see quite clearly that Simple Truths asked me to prove a negative. There was no real “argument” to begin with.

Goldie

January 22nd, 2013
10:13 am

Today’s GOP (Grumpy Old People) is apparently controlled by the extremists of their Party — and if the “sensible” Republicans don’t take control of their Party once again, we’ll definitely see another 4 years of Dem rule in 2016!

the cat

January 22nd, 2013
10:13 am

It will take a bit of searching through all the posts but proof is on the way Thulsa, scum of the earth.

Simple Truths

January 22nd, 2013
10:14 am

COMPROMISE = everyone feels pain

Corporate subsidies get cut
Military gets cut
Home mortgage interest deduction is cut
401k/IRA deduction is slashed
Earned income tax credit erased
Tax rates rise
Falcons lose NFC Championship at home

But, we pay our bills

Erwin's cat

January 22nd, 2013
10:14 am

<i.No slogans, Adam. Facts

Good luck with that one too

Peadawg

January 22nd, 2013
10:14 am

“And stick to your claim that conservatives don’t want everybody to have equal protection under the law and an equal opportunity.”

that’s an easy one…gay marriage is a perfect example of how Republicans don’t want everybody to have equal opportunity

N-GA

January 22nd, 2013
10:14 am

Relative to US politics, nothing gives me as much pleasure as the direction of the Republican Party. Absolutely nothing! Women, Latinos, and LGBT’s are all on to the GOP and their extremist constituents. You take a few very wealthy people, add to that some homophobes, a bunch of misogynists, some old school racists, a slew of intolerant religious zealots, and round that out with some illiterate hicks who don’t know any better and what do you have? The new Republican Party. And they are well-represented on this blog.

DannyX

January 22nd, 2013
10:14 am

“Adam, how about you start by giving any examples and not just a bunch of BS liberal bumper stickers.”

This coming from the billboard follower?

What are the billboards telling you today, rb?

stands for decibels

January 22nd, 2013
10:14 am

Lest anyone forget the bit about working “break him.”

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0709/Health_reform_foes_plan_Obamas_Waterloo.html

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Also, at the risk of piling on, I agree that “the cat” outrageously overstepped with his character assassination @ 9.57, and he should retract those claws. So to speak.

Doggone/GA

January 22nd, 2013
10:15 am

“And stick to your claim that conservatives don’t want everybody to have equal protection under the law and an equal opportunity. ”

Gay marriage

Granny Godzilla

January 22nd, 2013
10:15 am

alittlecommonsense

January 22nd, 2013
10:05 am

Looks to me like the Republicans are the only ones compromising. Obama surely isn’t. Republicans haven’t gotten any of the spending cuts they keep asking for, but Obama has gotten most of his tax increases. When does Obama start compromising?
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Looks to me like you need a Lenscrafters coupon.

It’s way easier to give you a wee hint to the most recent….

Do these numbers mean anything to you?

400M not 250M.

Fred ™

January 22nd, 2013
10:16 am

RB from Gwinnett

January 22nd, 2013
9:14 am

Ah, yes, another Bookman blog about how the R’s need to give the D’s whatever socialist crap they’re asking for this week. Hey, I’ll take all of your posession, libs, what are you willing to compromise?

Just toss the fat kids another cookie and they’ll shut up for a day.

And then they’ll start whining about something else they want thats “just so unfair…” Like a bunch of friggin’ children.
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And here we have the angry hate filled white man who is still so ate up with jealousy that America REJECTS his FOXBOT lies.

Preach the HATE RB, vent your anger, tell more FOXBOT lies. In the end? you STILL lost because America REJECTS YOU. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

stands for decibels

January 22nd, 2013
10:16 am

(Working TO ‘break him’, I meant @ 10.14, of course. Stupid English language with all its infinitive verb forms and fancy stuff.)

JamVet

January 22nd, 2013
10:16 am

The Republican’s non-compromise, purity tested medicine must taste really bitter to them these days.

Let the con crushings continue with all earnest!

you can't fix stupid or Democrats or liberals

January 22nd, 2013
10:17 am

Same old crap liberal media attacking the GOP….you can make polls do anything or say anything you want……just like the head line College votes to keep racist name….shame on you….

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

January 22nd, 2013
10:18 am

“Apparently, Washington Republicans didn’t much like the president’s speech.”

Apparently, half the voters didn’t vote for him either.

DownInAlbany

January 22nd, 2013
10:19 am

“As I said earlier this week, one thing I will not compromise over is whether or not Congress should pay the tab for a bill they’ve already racked up.”

For those of you that would rather split hairs…

USinUK - just grateful not to be snowbound

January 22nd, 2013
10:19 am

“It will take a bit of searching through all the posts but proof is on the way Thulsa, scum of the earth.”

dude. sailing a little close to the wind … Jay will excommunicate you if you’re not careful.

Erwin's cat

January 22nd, 2013
10:19 am

Let the con crushings continue with all earnest

Now that’s the true spirit of compromise…dang cons!

Granny Godzilla

January 22nd, 2013
10:19 am

JamVet

Think this will help?

td

January 22nd, 2013
10:19 am

Truth-o-meter

January 22nd, 2013
9:49 am

If conservatives would listen and heed the advice of General Colin Powell,

Then they would be Democrats. If the American people wanted Obama back in charge of the entire government then they would have given Democrats back control of the house. The American people do not want the Obama agenda (his vision) approved.

USinUK - just grateful not to be snowbound

January 22nd, 2013
10:20 am

““Apparently, Washington Republicans didn’t much like the president’s speech.””

good grief … read that as the Washington Redskins didn’t much like the president’s speech.

had a serious WTF moment.

DannyX

January 22nd, 2013
10:20 am

“Same old crap liberal media attacking the GOP”

What’s next, BENGHAZI?

Paul

January 22nd, 2013
10:20 am

“their latest rhetoric suggests that maybe, just maybe, they may be coming to understand the political damage they have inflicted on themselves by such behavior.”

They won’t compromise for the good of the nation, but they will change to preserve their seats.

Patriots. Yeah, right…..

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
10:21 am

RB: Adam, how about you start by giving any examples and not just a bunch of BS liberal bumper stickers. And stick to your claim that conservatives don’t want everybody to have equal protection under the law and an equal opportunity.

I did already.

Conservatives voted against the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. They voted against other equal pay for women bills. They vote against measures designed to bring more federal money to poor districts that are targeted to improve education and health care in those areas. They vote FOR measures to restrict abortion. They vote FOR measures to restrict birth control. They propose measures that make you have to justify using birth control to your BOSS. They vote against Planned Parenthood funding and propose measures to shut down any health clinic that provides services for women if it may also be even loosely tied to abortion in any fashion.

Specific enough for you?

What is it going to take for these deniers?

DownInAlbany

January 22nd, 2013
10:22 am

Subject that will never be reported on this blog….

Oil giant Exxon Mobil plans to donate $250,000 to help foot the bill for President Barack Obama’s second inauguration today.

During the presidential debates with Governor Mitt Romney, Obama singled out the oil company by name and blasted them as a corporate welfare recipient who profits off voters’ pain at the pump. “The oil industry gets $4 billion a year in corporate welfare,” Obama said. “Now, does anybody think that Exxon Mobil needs some extra money when they’re making money every time you go to the pump? Why wouldn’t we want to eliminate that?”

St Simons - aboriginal Bootakook 2014

January 22nd, 2013
10:22 am

“Character outs itself” – truest words ever typed on this blog

-by the pulitzer-in-waiting host himself.

USinUK - just grateful not to be snowbound

January 22nd, 2013
10:22 am

Adam – 10:21 – that’s one helluva bumpersticker.

Fred ™

January 22nd, 2013
10:22 am

you can’t fix stupid or Democrats or liberals

January 22nd, 2013
10:17 am

Same old crap liberal media attacking the GOP….you can make polls do anything or say anything you want……just like the head line College votes to keep racist name….shame on you….
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Ah you sad little man. All your hate and anger will not make your silly little lies true. But keep spew the hate keep harboring your irrational anger. It has served you sad pathetic Republicans well. When at first you fail miserablely like you have the last two elections, don’t change a thing. Double down on your hate filled rhetoric. Dial up your impotent rage. Feed your jealousy. Tell bigger and bolder lies. That will REALLY work……..’

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

Granny Godzilla

January 22nd, 2013
10:22 am

td

Seen Joe Scar on the gop house win?

Regnad Kcin

January 22nd, 2013
10:23 am

Simple Truths: Then why did YOU write the latter?

Adam – that’s all they got.

Ask them if they can prove – ABSOULUTELY – that Mitt didn’t accept amnesty for his Swiss bank account.

Soothsayer

January 22nd, 2013
10:24 am

“Most people would prefer a charming falsehood to the severity of truth.”

“I am finding great success with central banking, paper money, and ever-increasing debt. Frankly, they are an easy sell, and people come to me begging to be part of the scam. It has been quite profitable so far and looks to be good for a long time.”

“Derivatives on European debt have proven to be a far better investment than expected. My friends and I have made $Billions on these pieces of paper. Actually I lost count – we might be into the $Trillions by now. Regardless, these and other derivatives have been huge winners.”

“The deficit spending thing is doing well also. We take money that we collect in taxes plus we borrow a bunch more, and then we spend it on some really cool stuff, plus we buy votes and wars and a great retirement system for us, and then we lean on Wall Street, military contractors, oil companies, and Big Pharma for more contributions, and it works out really swell for my buddies and me. Every two years we do it again, but even bigger.”

“I’ll give you a short lesson in politics. First, nobody wants to hear that this grand scheme will ever stop. Second, it has lasted a long time, so why shouldn’t it work for another 100 years? Third, nobody jumps off a moving gravy train. Fourth, people can’t see what they don’t want to see.”

This is a GREAT short article (maybe 5 mins) and I invite you to read it.

phil

January 22nd, 2013
10:24 am

I do remember McConnell saying they would try their best to make Obama a one term President. This is surprising why? Now, do you remember Dems working their asses off to obstruct the Repubs when the Repubs controlled both houses and the WH? Because I REMEMBER that as well. Same road, we’ve been on it before.

GT

January 22nd, 2013
10:24 am

The Republicans real bone with Obama is he is the defender of people these bullies want blood from. He does it in a distinguish way that drives this mob of unwashed buffoons that love to scream liar in the middle of a State of the Union address, their total Congressional contribution for several years now, crazy.

I thought somewhere in the Republican debates ,after witnessing Perry close up, the “brain trust” of the right might consider restraining anybody with a cowboy hat and a cucumber in his jeans from using a public microphone.

I say let em speak! Give those boys all the rope they need.

DownInAlbany

January 22nd, 2013
10:24 am

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
10:21 am

Yet Obama mentions equal pay for women while it is documented that he consistently pays men more than women himself?

DannyX

January 22nd, 2013
10:25 am

“Seen Joe Scar on the gop house win?”

Granny beat me to it. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/01/20/scarborough_gerrymandering_delivered_the_house_to_the_republicans.html

“The American people do not want the Obama agenda (his vision) approved.”

Republican leadership doesn’t want Americans to have a real choice.

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
10:27 am

Yet Obama mentions equal pay for women while it is documented that he consistently pays men more than women himself?

Appeal to hypocrisy.

Obama is wrong to do that, but Republicans are also wrong to consistently oppose any measures that would help bridge the divide.

Paul

January 22nd, 2013
10:27 am

Keep Up

“McConnell sent an email to his supporters warning that gun owners were “literally surrounded” and should be prepared for an “all-out assault.” ”

It’s a fine line between lying and hyperbole when it comes to politicians, but that’s closer to a downright lie than anything I heard from the administration on Benghazi.

But it’s about the same as what I heard from Republicans on Benghazi.

Hmmmm…. does there appear to be a pattern there?

Regnad Kcin

January 22nd, 2013
10:27 am

Really? Mr. Doom said that? Oh, my!

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
10:29 am

BTW DownInAlbany, would you now say I am an unflinching devotee of Obama and that I consider him a god or some other such nonsense?

Fred, TBG, take note that I just admitted Obama is wrong about something.

Freaking people can’t understand why I would oppose some of what Obama does but still think the GOP is freaking NUTS right now? Again, WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE?

stands for decibels

January 22nd, 2013
10:30 am

Adam @ 10.21, add to your list consistent opposition by legislative conservatives to the expansion of SCHIP–something it took Obama’s election to finally change.

these conservative legislators are so opposed to equal opportunity they’ve actually stood in the way of working-class parents having affordable health insurance for their children. That past bit of loathsomeness really doesn’t get enough airing, I don’t think.

Thulsa Doom

January 22nd, 2013
10:30 am

“Ask them if they can prove – ABSOULUTELY – that Mitt didn’t accept amnesty for his Swiss bank account.”

Regnad,

What does having a Swiss bank account have to do with anything? Its no more unAmerican than buying an foreign made car or buying any of thousands of different products that come from overseas. And perhaps you didn’t know this but millions of joe and jane six pack Americans have money in overseas stocks through mutual funds in their 401ks.

Ya’ll really do need to get over the nonsensical crap about Romney having money offshore or in overseas Hedge funds. Do you guys even know or understand why there are a lot of hedge funds registered overseas and not in the U.S.?

The other half of your brain.

January 22nd, 2013
10:31 am

The GOP, GOP, GOP, GOP, GOP, GOP, GOP, GOP, GOP, GOP, GOP, GOP, GOP, GOP, GOP, GOP,

Did I mention Global Warming?

td

January 22nd, 2013
10:31 am

Granny Godzilla

January 22nd, 2013
10:22 am

td

Seen Joe Scar on the gop house win?

No. But let me guess the lib line he used. Gerrymandered districts is the only reason the GOP held the majority in the house. How close am I?

indigo

January 22nd, 2013
10:32 am

kayaker 71 – 9:45

If it had been a Romney inaugration parade yesterday, then “the adulation, the fawning” comming from you would make most of us want to puke.

Simple Truths

January 22nd, 2013
10:32 am

Adam @10:29 “Freaking people can’t understand why I would oppose some of what Obama does but still think the GOP is freaking NUTS right now? Again, WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE?”

I think many people understand your position and your frustration. I also think many people disagree with your conclusions.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 22nd, 2013
10:32 am

Uh . . .Joe Hussein — “Tell me – do you or Granny, or even Jay, pay this much?”

Tell me, do you pay much attention to detail? The figures I quoted were *someone else’s.* Perhaps you should read back, find *that* person and then put your query to them.

Half Century Dawg

January 22nd, 2013
10:33 am

barking frog

January 22nd, 2013
9:46 am
Granny Godzilla
RB

You still beat your dog, right?
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Is that what the kids are calling it, nowadays ?

now that was funny, Thanks Barking Frog

indigo

January 22nd, 2013
10:33 am

Bob – 9:46

Much of that debt comes from Bush’s two credit card wars and generous tax breaks for the rich.

Regnad Kcin

January 22nd, 2013
10:34 am

“Oil giant Exxon Mobil plans to donate $250,000 to help foot the bill for President Barack Obama’s second inauguration today.

During the presidential debates with Governor Mitt Romney, Obama singled out the oil company by name and blasted them as a corporate welfare recipient who profits off voters’ pain at the pump. “The oil industry gets $4 billion a year in corporate welfare,” Obama said. “Now, does anybody think that Exxon Mobil needs some extra money when they’re making money every time you go to the pump? Why wouldn’t we want to eliminate that?”
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It seems Our President has the cojones to take their money, and still blast them. Good for him!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 22nd, 2013
10:34 am

Paul, the recap dimished the real offensiveness of the quoted words: “Dear Patriot,

You and I are literally surrounded. The gun-grabbers in the Senate are about to launch an all-out-assault on the Second Amendment. On your rights. On your freedom.

Just the other night, President Obama urged them to act. And then he went one step further, spelling out the 23 different Executive Orders he will take to get your guns.

My friend, our freedom is under direct assault.

From those who want take your guns. From those who want to shred our Constitution, and as our good in friend Rand Paul from Kentucky says, from those who want to be King. …”

What a pack of lies. What kind of moron believes this garbage. Oh wait…

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

January 22nd, 2013
10:34 am

Well, I see this Thelma Doom is back to a fightin’ mood. I reckon the insurance tests he had to take kept him toned down for awhile, but he’s returned to the old Thelma that wants to beat up everybody. Glad I don’t need to buy insurance. He’d probly beat me up while forcing me to pay thru the wazoo for some worthless policy that would refuse to pay because I tied a shoelace wrong.

Granny Godzilla

January 22nd, 2013
10:34 am

DowninAlbany

as long as we are splitting hairs – get your comb out

3. “Hostile Workplace,” which reveals that despite the fact that President Obama signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, in his White House, the average man’s salary is higher than the average woman’s salary. That this actually indicates that men, on average, are occupying higher-paying jobs in the White House (a legitimate grounds for criticism, but not something they pointed out), not that women are being paid less for doing the same job—the kind of discrimination the Ledbetter act was designed to combat—doesn’t seem to have occurred to the Beacon.

http://prospect.org/article/conservative-journalism-keeps-getting-better

rightwingextreme

January 22nd, 2013
10:35 am

and i remember pelosi and reid working hand-in hand with Bush 43.

Skip

January 22nd, 2013
10:35 am

Poor Phil, the only guy in America that can’t take any deductions. Must be true if he pays the full rate. That or he’s a misinformed idiot.

Welcome to the Occupation

January 22nd, 2013
10:35 am

alittlecommonsense:
“Looks to me like the Republicans are the only ones compromising. Obama surely isn’t. Republicans haven’t gotten any of the spending cuts they keep asking for”

Braindead much?

Obviously not paying attention if you think the Republicans haven’t gotten their spending cuts. They’ve gotten them in spades with this president who’s bent over backwards to put cuts on the table.

DownInAlbany

January 22nd, 2013
10:35 am

No, I try to refrain from name-calling and “some other such nonsense.” I simply enjoy pointing out the hypocrisy of the current administration. You will have to admit that most of the regulars tend to constantly point fingers at the cons/pubs, while totally ignoring the fact that the libs/dems are doing the same thing. Dissenting views are not widely accepted on here.

Unfortunately, when I do such, I’m belittled as a “must be a Baptist”, “GOPis nuts”, “birther”, “you want children to die (guns)” “you want children to starve.” and other such nonsense.

Brosephus™

January 22nd, 2013
10:36 am

Hmm. So instead of wanting to get to the bottom of why the hell our govt was selling assault rifles to Mexican drug cartels you would rather mock the guy who wants to get to the bottom of it.

Investigating that should have taken all of one day. The government didn’t sell a single gun to anybody. The only gun walking done by the government was done by the whistleblower. The whole program was nothing but recording serial numbers of suspicious purchases to see if they could trace where the money was coming from and where the guns were going.

The fact that people still lie about the whole ordeal is priceless.

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
10:36 am

Simple Truths: So what if many disagree? Many also agree? Argumentum ad populum. It means nothing in either direction.

Thulsa Doom

January 22nd, 2013
10:36 am

“Obama is wrong to do that, but Republicans are also wrong to consistently oppose any measures that would help bridge the divide.”

Adam,

You were taken to school long ago on why there is a pay divide between men and women. The gap in pay is largely explained by labor economists. Do we really have to rehash this same crap all over again? There is nothing the govt can do or should do to erase a pay gap which exists for readily explainable reasons. Typical liberal- always searching for a big gubment solution to a non-existent problem.

Paul

January 22nd, 2013
10:36 am

Donovan

” Unfunded, you say…what do you libs call this spending jag we’re on?”

So… when revenue dropped about 17% when Obama took office, where was the House with their budget to align spending with revenue?

Did they “pass a budget” that did that?

Take a look at the real change in level of spending.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200

Where is this dramatic increase we keep hearing about?

Bottom line (especially considering the House Republican ‘budget’ took decades to balance the budget) is Congressional Republicans are unwilling to cut spending to zero out the deficit as much as some rightwing media want.

Not only do they not compromise, they are unwilling to accept any responsibility at all.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 22nd, 2013
10:36 am

Doom — “Scum of the earth? You mean like a piece of scum that just makes shiite up out of thin air”

Physician, heal thyself.

The other half of your brain.

January 22nd, 2013
10:37 am

Well Skip, It didn’t take long for the name calling, why are you libs so irate?

stands for decibels

January 22nd, 2013
10:37 am

the lib line he used. Gerrymandered districts is the only reason the GOP held the majority in the house.

It’s not a “lib line” that over a million more people voted for Dems over GOPers in the house, in 2012. It’s a fact.

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
10:39 am

DownInAlbany: Thulsa disputes your claim that women are paid less than men:

Typical liberal- always searching for a big gubment solution to a non-existent problem.

Please let him know what you think of that.

Regnad Kcin

January 22nd, 2013
10:40 am

“Regnad,

What does having a Swiss bank account have to do with anything”

Because, YOU can’t prove a negative, just like Adam can’t.

BTW – if Romney HAS accepted amnesty for illegally hiding money in a Swiss bank account (as I originally posted), don’t you agree that woud be, in some way a bad thing?

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
10:41 am

Thulsa: Tell it to DownInAlbany, who thinks that women get paid less than men under Obama. I already agreed with you. I am just saying that Republicans oppose the measures that are INTENDED to bridge the divide, which both parties seem to believe exists. So maybe you should talk to them and show them that 15 minute paper you wrote.

The other half of your brain.

January 22nd, 2013
10:41 am

Jump to: navigation, search

Weapons recovered by Mexican military in Naco, Sonora, Mexico on November 20, 2009. They include weapons bought two weeks earlier by Operation Fast and Furious suspect Uriel Patino, who would buy 723 guns during the operation.[1]
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) ran a series of “gunwalking” sting operations[2][3] between 2006[4] and 2011.[2][5] These operations were done under the umbrella of Project Gunrunner, a project intended to stem the flow of firearms into Mexico by interdicting straw purchasers and gun traffickers within the United States.[6] “Gun walking” or “letting guns walk” was a tactic whereby the ATF “purposely allowed licensed firearms dealers to sell weapons to illegal straw buyers, hoping to track the guns to Mexican drug cartel leaders

Bro, I think you need to re-think your wrong position on FAST & FURIOUS.

Paul

January 22nd, 2013
10:42 am

0311

“Apparently, half the voters didn’t vote for him either.”

Actually, it’s less than half didn’t vote for him.

But I suppose you could say, all those who didn’t vote for him voted for the loser.

The other half of your brain.

January 22nd, 2013
10:42 am

The fact that people still lie about the whole ordeal is priceless.

MAN, That one must of hurt.

DannyX

January 22nd, 2013
10:43 am

“the lib line he used. Gerrymandered districts is the only reason the GOP held the majority in the house.”

Lol, now Joe Scarborough is a liberal!

td, why don’t you read what Scarborough said that tell us what you disagree with.

stands for decibels

January 22nd, 2013
10:43 am

The gap in pay is largely explained by labor economists.

Largely? Ok. Let’s say that’s true.

If that’s true, then why the resistance by conservative legislators to allowing women to seek redress in cases when it clearly is not? Why do they continue to rail against it?

Simple Truths

January 22nd, 2013
10:44 am

Adam @10:36 “So what if many disagree? Many also agree? Argumentum ad populum. It means nothing in either direction.”

I was agreeing with your position, and trying to validate your frustration. People on the side opposite you are also frustrated.

I understand that both sides can feel frustrated, both sides can find facts that align with their beliefs. Yet either side’s facts and beliefs conflict with the other side.

Politics is some emotional stuff.

Skip

January 22nd, 2013
10:44 am

Half, you need to look up the word irate. Then try and figure out what an either/or question means.

Brosephus™

January 22nd, 2013
10:45 am

USinner

From downstairs, the trip was good. The lil one enjoyed herself, and that’s who the trip was for.

indigo

January 22nd, 2013
10:45 am

doom – 10:36

There are no defensible “readly explainable reasons” why there should be any pay gap between men and women for doing the same job.

If you believe otherwise, I’d love to know why.

Thulsa Doom

January 22nd, 2013
10:46 am

Brocephus,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

Sorry man but the Obama administration has blood on its hands.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) ran a series of “gunwalking” sting operations[2][3] between 2006[4] and 2011.[2][5] These operations were done under the umbrella of Project Gunrunner, a project intended to stem the flow of firearms into Mexico by interdicting straw purchasers and gun traffickers within the United States.[6] “Gun walking” or “letting guns walk” was a tactic whereby the ATF “purposely allowed licensed firearms dealers to sell weapons to illegal straw buyers, hoping to track the guns to Mexican drug cartel leaders.”[7]

The stated goal of allowing these purchases was to continue to track the firearms as they were transferred to higher-level traffickers and key figures in Mexican cartels, with the expectation that this would lead to their arrests and the dismantling of the cartels.[8][9] The tactic was questioned during the operations by a number of people, including ATF field agents and cooperating licensed gun dealers.[10][11][12][13][14] During Operation Fast and Furious, by far the largest “gunwalking” probe, the ATF monitored the sale of over 2,000 firearms, of which only 700 were recovered as of October 20, 2011.[15] A number of straw purchasers have been arrested and indicted; however, as of October 2011, none of the targeted high-level cartel figures have been arrested.[7]

Guns tracked by the ATF have been found at crime scenes on both sides of the Mexico–United States border, and the scene of the death of at least one U.S. federal agent, Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. The “gunwalking” operations became public in the aftermath of Terry’s murder.[2] Dissenting ATF agents came forward to Congress in response.[16][17] According to Humberto Benítez Treviño, former Mexican Attorney General and chair of the justice committee in the Chamber of Deputies, firearms trafficked by smugglers under the watch of the ATF have been found at numerous crime scenes in Mexico, including scenes where at least 150 Mexican civilians were maimed and killed.[18] As investigations have continued, the operations have become increasingly controversial in both countries, and diplomatic relations have been damaged as a result

bookman parrot

January 22nd, 2013
10:46 am

jay, please !?!?! definition: compromise (when from a lib) something we expect from everyone else, but are unwilling to do ourselves; but we (libs) will provide great lip-service about compromise, but have no intention of doing ourselves

stands for decibels

January 22nd, 2013
10:46 am

Bro, I think you need to re-think your wrong position on FAST & FURIOUS

ha ha ha.

You’re going to argue the finer points of that operation with our Bros?

this should be fun. Popcorn, anyone?

The other half of your brain.

January 22nd, 2013
10:46 am

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
10:41 am

Thulsa: Tell it to DownInAlbany, who thinks that women get paid less than men under Obama. I already agreed with you. I am just saying that Republicans oppose the measures that are INTENDED to bridge the divide, which both parties seem to believe exists. So maybe you should talk to them and show them that 15 minute paper you wrote.

” Adam, If you truely believe that Obama does some things that you disagree with I think you would be more believable if you didn’t bring up the Republicans up in the same sentence.

It’s as if you think 2 wrongs make 1 right.

Brosephus™

January 22nd, 2013
10:49 am

The other half

Why? The government didn’t buy or fund guns until the end of F&F. The straw purchases were done with cartel money. Due to NRA diligence, gun laws were worthless for the ATF to do anything more than what they did. The AUSA wouldn’t prosecute anything the ATF brought them, so what else could they have done?

The other half of your brain.

January 22nd, 2013
10:49 am

stands for decibels

January 22nd, 2013
10:46 am

Bro, I think you need to re-think your wrong position on FAST & FURIOUS

ha ha ha.

You’re going to argue the finer points of that operation with our Bros?

this should be fun. Popcorn, anyone?

You can’t argue FACTS, do a little Googling and tell me that I’m wrong. Please, rather than snide remarks.
I don’t care if it’s BRO, or Jay, facts are facts. I know they don’t mean anything to libs, but it doesn’t change the truth.

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
10:50 am

The other half of your brain: It’s as if you think 2 wrongs make 1 right.

No, I think 2 wrongs are still 2 wrongs. And that there is grey area that involves every other possible issue, and that the side that is the most wrong right now are the Elected Republicans.

zeke

January 22nd, 2013
10:51 am

Here is the big problem, Jay! Conservatives, Republicans, Conservative Democrats of which they are very very few, cannot compromise with liberal socialist progressive commie democrats because the only thing they see as compromise is for Republicans to completely abandon their core beliefs and agree to only democrat agenda programs!

Thulsa Doom

January 22nd, 2013
10:51 am

indigo,

Very simple. As I stated differences in gender pay are easily explainable. Do you need a tutorial on the subject?

Li'l Aynie

January 22nd, 2013
10:51 am

Republican politicians are the fossils of the last century. They are financed by the greedy ultra-rich and voted into office by the unthinking and the ignorant. Our country has moved on to the 21st Century, and left them, ranting and raving, in the dust.

td

January 22nd, 2013
10:52 am

stands for decibels

January 22nd, 2013
10:37 am

the lib line he used. Gerrymandered districts is the only reason the GOP held the majority in the house.

It’s not a “lib line” that over a million more people voted for Dems over GOPers in the house, in 2012. It’s a fact.

Such a bogus stat. Of coarse a million more Dems voted in house races the Republicans because Obama won and received more votes. DUH Obama turned out his base, which resides in Democratic House districts. Both parties gerrymander districts. Bottom line is the voters in house districts that sent Obama back to the White House also sent their Republican Congressman back to the house. (See Paul Ryan as just one example). These voters decided that they did NOT want to give Obama total control over the countries agenda again like he had his first two years in office.

Erwin's cat

January 22nd, 2013
10:52 am

the cat – why there should be any pay gap between men and women for doing the same job.

depends..are we talking flipping burgers or something more professional? If there is such a thing as a “pay gap” it’s like 2%…if human capitol is equally compared?….do you get paid for what you do, what you know, or some combo of both?

Brosephus™

January 22nd, 2013
10:53 am

Doom

Wiki? Why not pull the Fortune article? They’re about the only ones who actually looked over the documents before reporting.

Paul

January 22nd, 2013
10:53 am

Thulsa Doom

“Sorry man but the Obama administration has blood on its hands. ”

Obama was president in 2006?!!?

Let’s do the time warp again!

The other half of your brain.

January 22nd, 2013
10:54 am

Skip

January 22nd, 2013
10:44 am

Half, you need to look up the word irate. Then try and figure out what an either/or question means.

Skip, People start name calling when they don’t know the answer to something, it’s really kind of childish.

stands for decibels

January 22nd, 2013
10:55 am

Hey, wasn’t that uppity AG Holder supposed to be frog-marched for contempt of court, ’round this time?

whatever happened to that? My Issa, My Issa, why hath thou forsaken me?

td

January 22nd, 2013
10:55 am

Li’l Aynie

January 22nd, 2013
10:51 am

Republican politicians are the fossils of the last century. They are financed by the greedy ultra-rich and voted into office by the unthinking and the ignorant.

And when these now 20 somethings get married, have children and start making household income over $50,000 per year then they will start becoming more and more conservative as they have for the past 250 years. Those are the facts of life.

Brosephus™

January 22nd, 2013
10:56 am

Y’all have fun gotta board my flight.

Thulsa Doom

January 22nd, 2013
10:56 am

Brocephus,

Read further down the link to the part about the Phoenix gunstore. The govt monitored the purchasers and the idea was that they would interdict and make arrests- getting the guns back and arresting straw purchasers and hopefully cartel members. Start reading the paragraph beside the pic of the handgun where it said the operation began Oct. 2009. Then you’ll see where we just dropped the ball completely and let all those guns walk- guns that were later used to kill Americans as well as many Mexicans.

stands for decibels

January 22nd, 2013
10:57 am

Bitchy Mitchy SHEETZ!

NOBODYYOUKNOW

January 22nd, 2013
10:57 am

POLLS,POLLS, POLLS, One could take a different poll in a different area of the country and get an entirely different result. They just don’t mean that much to me. O’bama and the Democrats are no different than the Republicans and their leaders. STUBBORN! And those hardheads in the media are just as stubborn. Libs. and Conservatives. Makes no differance. Meanwhile the country’s financial problems are getting worse and worse. I just wish someone in leadership could get everyone to agree on whats best for the country.

Thulsa Doom

January 22nd, 2013
10:58 am

Paul,

Start reading where I told Bro to read. That is where the ball got completely dropped.

DannyX

January 22nd, 2013
10:58 am

Here you go td,

SCARBOROUGH: “William F. Buckley in the 1960s at some point had to start defining the boundaries of conservatism. He went after the John Birch Society, Ayn Rand, George Wallace. That has to happen again with this party because it’s getting smaller and smaller. In this debate, we actually have conservative thinkers, talking about ronald reagan being a RINO — a Republican in name only, because he supported an assault weapons ban. They keep pushing themselves closer and closer to the cliff. But I just have to say one other really important point, because I made a mistake over the past month talking about how Republicans have also won a majority in the House. As this article I was referencing mentioned, we actually got a minority of votes nationwide in House races. It was just gerrymandering from 2010 that gave us the majority.”

Keep pushing td!

you can't fix stupid or Democrats or liberals

January 22nd, 2013
10:59 am

Fred
Sorry I can’t fix stupid…..just take your meds…..lol

RB from Gwinnett

January 22nd, 2013
11:00 am

Adam, “Conservatives voted against the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. ”

You’re just one bumper sticker after the next, Adam. Tell us specifically what this act does to ensure fair pay for women, Adam, and then tell us WHY it didn’t become law. In short, Adam, research the facts.

Gay marriage is not an issue of discrimination, libs. NOBODY, gay or straight, has a right to marry people of the same sex (or didn’t). What the gays are asking for is the right to do something that currently nobody has. That is NOT descrimination. Next….

JamVet

January 22nd, 2013
11:03 am

Spoonful of sugar indeed. To keep from choking on their own vile medicine, the neocons are gonna need Saxby to get them a refinery’s worth of sugar.

We fired our guns but the neocons kept a comin’
There aren’t as many as there was a while ago…

We got them on the run boys and girls! Time to force them into at least the 1960s…

guy

January 22nd, 2013
11:04 am

RB from Gwinnett, There you go telling the truth and saying things liberals don’t want to hear. This insane spending will stop,believe me. China is beginning to want us to scale back our military in exchange for them to continue to borrow our money. We are at their mercy! I hate where we are heading but we can all look in the mirror and see the problem. You can’t keep giving to those who are ungrateful and spend more than you take in. Ain’t no way!!!! Argue all you want but you can’t run from the eventual result.

Thulsa Doom

January 22nd, 2013
11:04 am

“I am just saying that Republicans oppose the measures that are INTENDED to bridge the divide, which both parties seem to believe exists”

Adam,

The problem is that the pay gap after controlling for factors is about 1-2%. And we don’t know why that is but I strongly suspect that the remaining 1-2% differential its explainable in terms of salary negotiation. Men simply bargain and negotiate harder than women.

Do we really need the govt to get involved for a problem that doesn’t exist? The good news is that in the latest census young women are making more money then comparable young men in their 20s.

Paul

January 22nd, 2013
11:04 am

Thulsa

“Start reading where I told Bro to read. That is where the ball got completely dropped.”

Just seemed a bit incongruous. The cons here accuse the libs of not taking responsibility for anything, even something they’re both involved in, but along comes guns and Mexico and I never hear a peep about the Bush administration.

td

January 22nd, 2013
11:06 am

DannyX

January 22nd, 2013
10:58 am

And what does this have to do with the house being maintained by the GOP? Also, please explain how there were congressional districts that voted for Obama for President and at the same time sent their Republican congressman back to DC (one example is Paul Ryan and there are about 15 or 20 more districts just like his)?

Regnad Kcin

January 22nd, 2013
11:10 am

“The problem is that the pay gap after controlling for factors is about 1-2%”

Then why, when an especially egregious case is found, are the republicans so set upon not allowing a remedy at law?

Paul

January 22nd, 2013
11:12 am

RB from Gwinnett

“Gay marriage is not an issue of discrimination, libs. NOBODY, gay or straight, has a right to marry people of the same sex (or didn’t). What the gays are asking for is the right to do something that currently nobody has. That is NOT descrimination. Next….”

You really don’t ‘get’ discrimination, do you?

try this:

Gay marriage is not an issue of discrimination, libs. NOBODY, gay or straight, has a right to marry. What the gays are asking for is the right to do something that currently nobody has. That is NOT descrimination. Next….

Is a little lightbulb flickering now?

.

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
11:13 am

RB: Adam, and then tell us WHY it didn’t become law.

Actually, it did.

Funny. I thought you knew that. The Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act allows women to report that they have been discriminated against in pay after they become aware of it, NOT with a statute of limitations where the clock starts the moment it starts to actually happen. This gives women a chance to file a lawsuit against discrimination even if it’s been going on for 20 years, and fear of lawsuits is a deterrent to businesses who would seek to pay women less for the same work.

THAT is how it addresses the issue of equal pay.

How about you address all the other things, since apparently they are all also bumper stickers?

You’re dodging, ducking, and weaving, and the funny thing is you actually KNOW that. but so does everyone else.

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
11:14 am

Thulsa: As I said, argue with someone who actually disagrees with you.

guy

January 22nd, 2013
11:24 am

Argue about things that you can never change. Waste of time!!!!!!

Thulsa Doom

January 22nd, 2013
11:34 am

“Then why, when an especially egregious case is found, are the republicans so set upon not allowing a remedy at law?”

Regnad,

A couple of reasons 1- Republicans can be just as ignorant as Dems.

2- Considering that Rs took a major publicity hit with this faux “war on women” nonsense do you really think they are up for going against anything that could be remotely considered as anti-women?

3- The Rs can’t really win an argument on this anyway. We have a sound bite culture and the pay gap differential can’t be explained in 20 seconds. It would take 5-10 minutes just to cover the minimum number of reasons for the gap. Most people don’t want or care to be educated on the subject and most people and the news in particular don’t have 5-10 minutes to listen to a reasoned explanation for the gap. So naturally the people that just scream discrimination in a sound bite or going to be hard to refute.

GT

January 22nd, 2013
11:37 am

DownInAlbany you got to love the treatment his female candidate Rice got in her confirmation hearing.

The problem is Obama does compromise and it waters down his true interest in women equality. The man has two daughters and a wife that he totally respects as do all of us, for her intellectual and maternal skills.

One thing O does is let tough women in his circle, he is not afraid of them. I have no doubt Rice let McCain have it behind the close doors with her blunt style and this more than the distraction of her handling the death of the ambassador got old man McCain’s pants in a wad.

The Republicans have this token mentality. They think going to church once a year, an appearance of a black face here or there, one woman on the committee chairman list in congress gets the job done and maybe it does. If you believe that all you have to do is keep voting for them, because one thing I know they are not going to change.

Thulsa Doom

January 22nd, 2013
11:39 am

Paul,

Where it got lost between the W administration and O is that both were talking about setting up straw purchasers and then immediately stinging them. What happened under O though is that the interdictions weren’t taking place and other agencies- the Mexicans in particular, weren’t being notified. The purchasers were literally just walking away with the guns which were later used to kill not just Americans but many Mexicans. Big difference. Takes a little while reading that link but there was a big difference in how the program went under W and then O.

TaxPayer

January 22nd, 2013
11:43 am

I heard the cons that attended the inauguration had little sticks with a picture of Mitt attached to it so they could hold it up as an overlay over President Obama’s face. Apparently they’re still fueling their denial with those skewed polling results.

GT

January 22nd, 2013
12:01 pm

You think that the drug cartel in Mexico would have a difficult time obtaining weapons if they had not gotten them from the gun show?

The individual American citizen would because he can’t buy a large enough order to make it worth the gun runner’s time, but a cartel is like an army. These guns found at the scene of the American enforcement killed, are a mere distraction that the right tries to equate to a main ingredient of the problem. Unlike the easy access to the American criminal our enemies don’t need to game our system for their weapons though I do think a part of the middle east weaponry comes from our gross mismanagement of the inventory we took to Iraq and surrounding areas.

What I really worry about much more than this show the Republican Congress is putting on is the cartels allying with the radical Middle East groups who have no trouble finding weapons to fight the world’s best equipped army, the United States, to a standstill. The right has a blurred vision of where the cracks are in our defense. They are so involved in their own selfish agenda they can’t or won’t see the larger picture. I fear their stupidity far more than I fear the ghost they point out for us to fear.

DownInAlbany

January 22nd, 2013
12:05 pm

Ryan voted against the Lilly Ledbetter Act. All [it] said was if a woman finds out she’s been treated and treated wrongly– cheated in terms of her salary and benefits at work– that she’s able to sue from the moment she finds out. That’s all it said. Because they were locked out they said that if you didn’t learn within two years you were being cheated, then you’re out of luck. But we changed the law. It’s not a– it’s a big deal for women, but it’s not a big deal in terms of equal pay.

Want to guess who said this? How about Biden on the campaign trail last fall?

GT

January 22nd, 2013
12:19 pm

The educational channel, run by Chip Rogers, had a special on Reagan’s handling of the Middle East crisis the other night. In a very factual display of evidence they laid out a good argument that our less that good relationship with this part of the world was given birth by Reagan’s clumsy handling of foreign relations there. Even Connie Rice was quoted laying it at the feet of the Reagan’s administration, or as she said, she had no doubt the problems we have today are from the mishandling of that policy in that region then. These people will be in Mexico if they are not already. If the right handles anything worse than they handle domestic problems it is foreign, one hate fits all, problems. Ya we need them to grab that microphone and tell us how it is going to be done.

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
12:21 pm

DownInAlbany: Want to guess who said this? How about Biden on the campaign trail last fall?

What’s your point? Still looking for some way to feel like you won the argument?

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

January 22nd, 2013
12:35 pm

Jay: In fact, their latest rhetoric suggests that maybe, just maybe, they may be coming to understand the political damage they have inflicted on themselves by such behavior.

Nah! But you can always dream though. Sorry.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

January 22nd, 2013
12:38 pm

Want to guess who said this? How about Biden on the campaign trail last fall?

I googled that info about Biden, however nothing showed up, (outside of a chain email). Is it possible, if you don’t mind, could you please send me the link to the site that cites that comment?

Purely for educational value only. Thanks!

DownInAlbany

January 22nd, 2013
12:56 pm

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
12:21 pm

No, I’m not trying to win anything. Just pointing out that you piss moan about Lilly Ledbetter this and that. So and so didn’t support/vote for LL and the VP says it didn’t accomplish anything.

DownInAlbany

January 22nd, 2013
12:59 pm

Why, Debbie, so you can rant and rave about “drudgey spam?”

Try utube and hear it for yourself.

Adam

January 22nd, 2013
1:33 pm

DownInAlbany: So and so didn’t support/vote for LL and the VP says it didn’t accomplish anything.

That’s not what he said. And if he DID say that (which he did not) that wouldn’t suddenly make him correct.

LL accomplished an important legislative goal of pressuring anyone who might think of “getting away with” paying a woman less just long enough for her to not notice, into NOT doing so because there is now much more of a chance of getting caught and having to pay up.

Janney

January 22nd, 2013
1:39 pm

GT – “You take a few very wealthy people, add to that some homophobes, a bunch of misogynists, some old school racists, a slew of intolerant religious zealots, and round that out with some illiterate hicks who don’t know any better and what do you have? The new Republican Party. And they are well-represented on this blog.”

That is hilarious!!! Unfortunately, it is also true.

Z

January 22nd, 2013
3:34 pm

These Republican Politicians will be ever diligent on their way to the bottom, lets just hope they don’t drag the Country down with them.

Jonmaguire22

January 22nd, 2013
8:28 pm

I don’t think compromise is the issue. Compromise is knowing your principles and what is ultimately important and not wavering on those issues, but looking at different ways to make those things happen. For instance, raising the debt limit was not compromise, but lack of principle. If they would have been willing to cut their own salary, staff, perks, military or something else they hold dear to make the budget work – that would be compromise.

Also, I think the republicans are too extreme as well, but not because they are too far to the right but too far middle or left and they lack principle. But my vote would be the same as someone who viewed the republicans as too far right. So that chart can be misleading.

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