Mitch McConnell: “King” Obama out to grab yer guns!
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, who faces re-election in 2014, is doing his part to model the new spirit of moderation and bipartisan compromise that the GOP hopes to demonstrate to voters in the days ahead.
Here’s how he begins a new email message sent out to supporters:
Dear Patriot,
You and I are literally surrounded.
The gun-grabbers in the Senate are about to launch an all-out-assault on the Second Amendment. On your rights.
On your freedom.
Just the other night, President Obama urged them to act. And then he went one step further, spelling out the 23 different Executive Orders he will take to get your guns.
My friend, our freedom is under direct assault.
From those who want take your guns. From those who want to shred our Constitution, and as our good friend Rand Paul from Kentucky says, from those who want to be King.
Let me tell you, Mitch McConnell is ready to lead the fight to protect your rights.
Will you stand with Mitch today? …
Below I’ve included the full list of 23 executive actions issued by the gun-grabbing “King Obama” regarding firearms. I confess to being curious: When McConnell describes these actions as steps that “(Obama) will take to get your guns,” which specific actions does he mean?
Is it the effort to keep identify people who are too crazy to buy guns? Is it the “national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign”? Or the order to trace all weapons recovered in the commission of a crime? The initiative to train first-responders on how to respond to a school shooting?
Every American voter ought to read McConnell’s letter (full text here), read the list of executive actions issued by Obama, and then decide for himself or herself which party represents the sane, rational way forward for the people of this nation.
1.) Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
2.) Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3.) Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4.) Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5.) Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6.) Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7.) Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8.) Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9.) Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10.) Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11.) Nominate an ATF director.
12.) Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13.) Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14.) Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15.) Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
16.) Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17.) Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18.) Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19.) Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20.) Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21.) Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22.) Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23.) Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
– Jay Bookman
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Hmmmmmmm
January 22nd, 2013
2:44 pm
Good questions Stevie…. All I know is that law abiding citizens who follow the rules are not the problem. The people who don’t follow the rules will always find a way to gain access to a gun…. More gun control laws will do NOTHING, but put added burden on law abiding citizens… Mental health has always been a issue that no one wants to talk about.. Start talking about things that will help.. NOT things that compromise our liberty and freedoms… IMHO, your will likely differ…
Morality?
January 22nd, 2013
2:45 pm
FISCAL conservative is neither Repub or Dem. I am not a member of either party. I have explained what a FISCAL conservative is many times. You evidently are a slow learner. To make it SIMPLISTIC for you – FISCAL conservatism is all about spending within the budget and balancing that budget from year to year and not going over that budget. That is what the state of Georgia has; a balanced budget amendment to the state constitution. That is what FISCAL conservatives want….. a balanced budget. Obviously OBAMA and the Dems are FISCAL liberals. Did you know that according to the U.S. Constitution it is illegal for the Congress to not provide a budget by April 1st for the coming year? Did you know that we pay $15,000,000 each year for the gub’ment to hire people to come up with a balanced budget? Did you know that Obama has not once provided a budget agenda for the coming year since he has been in office? Obama’s and the Dems refusal to even provide a budget is an unconstitutional violation of federal law. Not to mention the millions payed out for a job not done – more Obama gub’ment created jobs I guess?
Thulsa Doom
January 22nd, 2013
2:45 pm
“I thought I understood the law was focused on those previously institutionalized?”
I thought we already had laws on the books concerning the mentally ill getting access to guns. Not sure but I thought we did. I’m for anything that would reasonably reduce crazy shiite like Newtown but I honestly just don’t think much can be done. My suggestion was to allow teachers to bring in guns with trigger locks and reimburse them for professional training. Otherwise I just don’t think there is a solution at a reasonable cost.
As for the cat I’m still waiting on him to ante up and back up his statement that I “applauded” the Newtown massacre.
td
January 22nd, 2013
2:45 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
January 22nd, 2013
2:28 pm
td — “How can you say NRA members are not helping enforce the current laws when you can not tell us if it is NRA members or not that are calling 911 when they see shootings happen?”
Because I’m not talking about *just* shootings.
Do NRA members call 911 if they see someone attempting to sell something illegal or questionable at a gun show or on Craigslist? Do they call 911 if they see someone chamber a round at a gun show? Do they contact the ATF if they see someone online offering full-auto kits and instructions for modifying weapons?
Violating firearms laws includes a lot of things besides gunplay, td
I do not know if they do or if they do not and you my friend can not prove it either. Would the ATF or local law enforcement admit that NRA people are calling them about illegal sales? Is selling a gun over the internet a crime?
Bob
January 22nd, 2013
2:45 pm
Can we at least agree that when Obama was in the IL senate he voted to not allow people to use a handgun to protect themselves in their own home ? Does Obama get a pass on what he did prior to becoming president ? He voted against the right to own a gun for self defense and he voted to not raise the spending cap when Bush was in office.
Morality?
January 22nd, 2013
2:46 pm
Have a NICE day – you pathetic left of left Socialists for Obama.
Atlanta Native
January 22nd, 2013
2:46 pm
Gun Control is about Government Control
·In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. >From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. …
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million. You won’t see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens. Take note my fellow Americans, before it’s too late!
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson. With guns, we are ‘citizens’. Without them, we are ’subjects’. During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED! SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN! SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!! IT’S A NO BRAINER! DON’T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET. Spread the word everywhere you can that you are a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment! It’s time to speak loud before they try to silence and disarm us. HISTORY shows that governments always manipulate tragedies to attempt to disarm the people~
Off Topic...The rebuttal…strong words…..
January 22nd, 2013
2:47 pm
Cornel West: President Obama Doesn’t Deserve To Be Sworn In With MLK’s Bible
What is REALLY unintelligent, is that we actually thought that an African American president would waltz into the White House and make Black issues his priority. Black issues should be OUR priority Cornell. Get up out of your comfy arm chair where you spout ideologies and do some real work! The Middle Class is the backbone of America; he had to shore up the Middle Class. He spent is first 4 years in office righting the wrongs that had been done, fixing problems. How do you think the poor get supported, you great Intelligentsia?! They are supported by the Middle Class! Who gets policy passed on behalf of poor people? The Middle Class! But if the MIddle Class is struggling, they can’t help anybody or speak and rally on behalf of ANYBODY! And it’s usually the WHITE Middle Class that takes the lead on such activism. NOT your Cornell Wests. On the drone issue. Is it a horrible shame that innocents have to die when drones are used? Absolutely! But yes sir, that’s the casualty of war, and as much as I, myself, am opposed to war, I am not so naive that the first Black president is going to waltz into office and end a millenium’s long problem, and bring and end to all wars. Get real! Didn’t he get Osama Bin Laden. You whined when Bush didn’t go after him. Now you’re whining because Obama did get him. Isn’t he ending that entire fiasco and cleaning up the mess? There has been a plethora of governmental atrocities that you could have organized and mobilized the masses about, but YOU DIDN’T! Now, you want to put the weight of the world on one man?! Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was not the President of the United States. And if you love him so much, where is your outcry against those who say he, himself, was a sell out – that he delivered the I Have a Dream Speech several times – that he had extramarital affairs – that he was afraid to speak out against the war at first because he feared losing his white support that financed his activities, that he was friends with L.B. J. and when that relationship went sour, THEN, he spoke out. No, you House Slaves won’t speak out against those voices, but you berate the Pres. out of pure jealously. Tavis thought HE was going to be the next MLK and he’s afraid Black folk might start thinking of Obama as the next MLK. And Cornell West is simply Tavis’ yes man. You’re afraid YOU won’t be the model and example of a Black man held up before our Black youth. You want to talk about the sickness in the Black community? You are the manifestation. At a time when our young people have an opportunity to be inspired, to be uplifted, to be motivated, to see what they can become, not just Pres of the US, but a decent Black man with a healthy Black family, you want to destroy that image for your own self aggrandizement. You have profited from your negation of President Barack Obama. I simply raised my eyebrows at you 4 years ago; now. Even when you made that idiotic statement to Minister Louis Farrakhan in Houston about not getting your children out of a burning house; for the sake of Tavis’ Town Hall meeting which was merely the promotion of his book, you turned the audience against Minister Farrakhan, now you’re trying to turn people against the Pres. I have lost all of my respect for you.
http://blackamericaweb.com/92973/cornel-west-president-obama-doesnt-deserve-to-be-sworn-in-with-mlks-bible-video/
getalife
January 22nd, 2013
2:47 pm
bob needs a scan.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
January 22nd, 2013
2:47 pm
Mass shootings at 4 colleges since 1.1.2013…… but sure things are just fine with the gun nuts.
I’m wondering,( just the “conspiracy theorist” in me mind you), if all this press ON shootings is just trying to inoculate us from the violence of our society.
Case in point, during the first few weeks of Desert Storm, when the US were bombing Iraq 3 to 4x per day. At first the Iraquis were scared, running to their shelters, hiding their children. But after weeks and weeks of the bombing, they became desensitized to the noise of the warning sirens.
Im wondering if the same thing is happening here / now with the press.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 22nd, 2013
2:48 pm
Granny Godzilla
January 22nd, 2013
2:38 pm
Still slippery slope from civil rights perspective but more importantly, many if not most of those will such illnesses have faculties capable of avoiding diagnosis once the cat is out of the bag…I just see too many problems identifying with any efficacy that limited number of dangerous folks that shouldn’t have guns who also will be diagnosed. Will people with temporary suicidal thoughts have their guns taken away? What about those who suffer addictions?
TBS
January 22nd, 2013
2:49 pm
“Have a NICE day – you pathetic left of left Socialists for Obama.”
That was such a sweet gesture from one of our Christian bloggers.
You have a great day as well.
Redcoat
January 22nd, 2013
2:49 pm
Liberals want to call it “crime control” not “gun control”………. get ready, here it comes!
Abe Froman
January 22nd, 2013
2:50 pm
All this gun hysteria is bad for the poorer people in our society. Gun prices and ammunition have gone up since the talk of more controls began. If you are poor or lower middle class, it will be unaffordable to protect your family with a firearm. I know I would like to purchase a few, but the costs of ownership are too high.
As for the term “Assault Rifle”, isn’t any gun used against someone else an ‘assault weapon’? Does it really matter if a gun holds 30 rounds or an assailant has 3 magazines with 10 rounds each in them? At least an assault rifle can’t be concealed.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 22nd, 2013
2:50 pm
DebbieDoRight – A Do Right Woman
January 22nd, 2013
2:47 pm
Have to agree with you. Everyday since I can remember, a killing is brought to our attention…its more than a daily occurrence across the country. Drones and bombs as you suggest kill thousands of innocents..if any other country was doing such we would quickly label them terrorists or such..
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 22nd, 2013
2:51 pm
A convicted murderer, who spent time in a hospital for mental illness after he killed his mother, legally obtained a permit and purchased an arsenal of guns because of a loophole in the Minnesota legislation.
Christian Oberender, now 32, killed his mother in the family’s home with five shots from a shotgun in 1995, according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune. He was 14-years-old at the time and was eventually committed to a hospital for being mentally ill and dangerous. Despite this, Oberender was able to obtain a gun permit last May and has since amassed an arsenal of 13 guns, including semi-automatic rifles, an AK-47, a Tommy gun, assorted shotguns and a .50-caliber Desert Eagle. http://www.startribune.com/local/west/187610601.html?refer=y
There’s no need for concern. Everything’s fine. Enforce the laws on the books…oh wait, a loophole allows this to be legal despite a mental illness adjudication?
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
January 22nd, 2013
2:51 pm
Can we at least agree that when Obama was in the IL senate he voted to not allow people to use a handgun to protect themselves in their own home ?
Link? Please.
JamVet
January 22nd, 2013
2:51 pm
I call it con control.
getalife
January 22nd, 2013
2:51 pm
It is not a good idea to have guns with a family member that has mental issues .
Morality?
January 22nd, 2013
2:51 pm
FACT: Every year Obama was briefly in Congress he was ranked by an independent think tank the 2nd most liberal big spending member of Congress. He never saw a big spending gub’ment SOCIALIST social program that he did not vote for. A politicians voting record is PERMANENT. Obama is a FISCAL liberal and a social liberal. That’s his record.
RB from Gwinnett
January 22nd, 2013
2:52 pm
Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech, Columbine, whatever in Texas…
The solution is pretty simple. We must eliminate schools.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 22nd, 2013
2:52 pm
TBS
January 22nd, 2013
2:49 pm
If that is offensive remember all you need to do is go to church, drop some cash in the basket and voila, they may not call you names anymore…at least until the basket makes another round.
Seriously Folks
January 22nd, 2013
2:52 pm
Doom…first off the last three “unprovoked” mass shootings, Newtown, Movie Theater in Colorado, and Arizona rally, were NOT perpetrated by “thugs.” I know that’s a red herring for some to say, “those black criminals”…why else would you mention “Chicago, Detroit, Atlanta”…
The bottom line is this. The “pro gun” folks always scream, “If only those libs understood that someone with a conceal-carry permit could have stopped those shooters dead in their tracks” but conveniently forget to mention that someone WAS armed and didn’t stop those shooters.
So, to retort you earlier challenge, if the President’s list won’t stop them, please shed light on how arming everyone to the teeth will do the same?
Thulsa Doom
January 22nd, 2013
2:52 pm
the cat
January 22nd, 2013
2:07 pm
Keep trying to spin it Thulsa. And yes you are being stalked.
A prized new addition to the Doomy fan club.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 22nd, 2013
2:52 pm
Minnesota’s gun laws don’t require an applicant to provide a fingerprint or a Social Security number to verify identity.
“This was one of our concerns during the ‘Conceal and Carry’ debate in Legislature 10 years ago and it was beaten down like everything else,” said Heather Martens, executive director of Protect Minnesota, a gun violence prevention organization.
Martens said Oberender’s case highlights the reluctance of lawmakers to tighten gun laws because they fear being accused of infringing on individual rights
No problem requiring ID’s to vote with the conned but can’t do it with guns.
weetamoe
January 22nd, 2013
2:53 pm
It seems appropriate this day after the King holiday to recall that Dr. King’s efforts to secure and maintain liberty and equality for all succeeded for the most part because he prevailed in his insistence that many laws be abolished. The faux constitutional scholar now in residence in the White House is striving to secure his own power by establishing an unprecedented number of new laws.
Regnad Kcin
January 22nd, 2013
2:53 pm
“Cornel West: President Obama Doesn’t Deserve To Be Sworn In With MLK’s Bible”
I don’t often agree with Prof West. But I sure am glad he’s out there saying these things, because they make people think.
In the same way, I’d like to say “thank you” to Welcome to the Occupation for similar reasons – I may not always agree, but your opinions are cogently expressed, and I have to consider them carefully before I can decide whether I agree or not. And that, IMHO, is a good definition of a successful post.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 22nd, 2013
2:54 pm
getalife
January 22nd, 2013
2:51 pm
Your genious is clearly on display with that post. You should be proud.
RBGWINNETT
That is a classic! Hope you don’t mind if I use it.
Granny Godzilla
January 22nd, 2013
2:56 pm
Stevie Ray
Just cause it’s hard or confusing or scarey or may cause problems – does not mean it won’t work.
I’d rather deal with a slightly paranoid Stevie Ray than a raging loon with a gun.
Will people with addictions or suicidal thoughts be affected? I certainly l hope so.
Thulsa Doom
January 22nd, 2013
2:57 pm
“Now, since he and I are already having a polite, adult conversation about it, how about you head on back to the kiddie table where the conversation is more your speed?”- Joe mommy
Sez the poster who pined for my attention by addressing me, got blog smacked, then mumbles some jibberish about go back to the kids table. Too funny!
“You do understand the difference between police work and getting laws changed, right Doom?”- Joe mommy
Joe is on a tear with the completely inane, irrelevant, and inconsequential points today. Its how he rolls!
Granny Godzilla
January 22nd, 2013
2:58 pm
HEY MORALITY
INDEPENDENT THINK TANK?
nuts.
TBS
January 22nd, 2013
2:59 pm
Stevie
Wasn’t surprising and not really that offensive. I was just calling it out for what it was.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 22nd, 2013
3:02 pm
DDR, I think there is always fatigue. The NRA counts on it. Right now, however, the nightmare of these killings will drive the support for gun control that has been long delayed. This is not a rush to pass rash laws. Sensible gun control groups have been pressing for these changes and to make sensible requirements for background checks for years. Too many politicians were too afraid of the NRA. However, the momentum has changed.
yuzeyurbrane
January 22nd, 2013
3:02 pm
From this amusing rant we can tell that Mitch: 1) needs contributions, and, 2) is more afraid of primary challenge from Rand Paulites than Democrats. Did they fashion that owl character (Ollie Owl??) in the old Pogo cartoon after him?
RB from Gwinnett
January 22nd, 2013
3:03 pm
“So, to retort you earlier challenge, if the President’s list won’t stop them, please shed light on how arming everyone to the teeth will do the same?”
Go look up info on the concealed carry permit holder who drew on the mall shooter causing him to flee to a place where he killed himself vs. standing there resolving his jammed weapon and continuing to shoot.
The bottom line is the libs are trying to control pure evil by assigning blame to an object. That will fail as it always has. Evil will find a way to flourish whether it’s with a gun or a truckload of fuel oil and fertilizer.
the cat
January 22nd, 2013
3:04 pm
You know, for us parents that have children in school, these killings terrify us.
Obviously the people that have no one they care about or care about them would understand.
the cat
January 22nd, 2013
3:05 pm
would NOT understand. you know who you are.
jm
January 22nd, 2013
3:05 pm
Jay. Apparently it was very stirring. In the recording studio.
“12:31: But a stirring version of the Star Spangled Banner by the lovely and talented Beyonce to close the ceremony.”
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 22nd, 2013
3:05 pm
Go look up info on the concealed carry permit holder who drew on the mall shooter causing him to flee to a place where he killed himself vs. standing there resolving his jammed weapon and continuing to shoot.
Bull crap claim JB. No proof except the unsupported and questionable claim of that particular gun nut. And the nut claimed that he had the shooter in his sight and did not pull the trigger for fear he might hurt others.
Does he also date Morgan Fairchild?
williebkind
January 22nd, 2013
3:06 pm
Hey let me become a Jay for a moment and make some statements:
Please define “ARMS”?
Liberals are very good deceivers they make a few reasonable requests then slip one in that takes away your rights. Then blame you for not being American.
Define “infringe”!
Liberals continuously have a reading problem comprehending the constitution and the Bill of Rights!
Obama uses the backdoor to steal what has been yours for over 200yrs.
Liberals appeal to the passion of the American people to pass “SYMPATHY LAWS” that fit their socialist agenda.
Liberals only want whats best for you if they are in charge!
Thulsa Doom
January 22nd, 2013
3:08 pm
Doom…first off the last three “unprovoked” mass shootings, Newtown, Movie Theater in Colorado, and Arizona rally, were NOT perpetrated by “thugs.”- Seriously folks
And your point sir? And if there are 10,000 people a year murdered by guns then how many are murdered by mass murdering crazed men and how many are murdered by common thugs? Less than 25 or 50 killed in mass murdering crazy man rampages per year vs several thousand killed by thugs. So going by pure numbers which do you have a greater chance of dying from?
And btw I noticed that you didn’t respond to my statement that more small children die from swimming pools than from mass shootings. Smart move. There was one idiot on here that challenged me on that and well, I had to show that imbecile to be the dumbarse that he truly is. That beyotch got a blog smacking.
“I know that’s a red herring for some to say, “those black criminals”…why else would you mention “Chicago, Detroit, Atlanta”…”
I mention them because they happen to be cities with high crime rates. The fact that they might also have large black populations is beside the point. But nice try at mind reading and projecting your own racist views. For what its worth I could have mentioned New Orleans, East Saint Louis, Newark, NJ, etc if I wanted to make a statement about “black criminals” as you put it.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 22nd, 2013
3:09 pm
td — “I do not know if they do or if they do not and you my friend can not prove it either.”
Rejected.
If they were, they’d be crowing about it right now in a huge PR effort.
“Would the ATF or local law enforcement admit that NRA people are calling them about illegal sales?”
Why wouldn’t they, if it were true? Why wouldn’t they express their appreciation to the person, persons or group that helped them?
“Is selling a gun over the internet a crime?”
Did I say it was? No. This is what I said (pay attention to the bold parts): Do NRA members call 911 if they see someone attempting to sell something illegal or questionable at a gun show or on Craigslist? Do they call 911 if they see someone chamber a round at a gun show? Do they contact the ATF if they see someone online offering full-auto kits and instructions for modifying weapons?
Redcoat
January 22nd, 2013
3:09 pm
Keep up the good work…….Saw what you did there with that story…….good propagandist you are!
Granny Godzilla
January 22nd, 2013
3:09 pm
RB
Evil will find a way to flourish whether it’s with a gun or a truckload of fuel oil and fertilizer.
.
.
For evil to prosper all it needs is for good people to do nothing
RB from Gwinnett
January 22nd, 2013
3:10 pm
Keep, “Bull crap claim JB. No proof except the unsupported and questionable claim of that particular gun nut. And the nut claimed that he had the shooter in his sight and did not pull the trigger for fear he might hurt others. ”
You do realize “news” isn’t confined to what you see on The View, don’t you?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 22nd, 2013
3:10 pm
Granny Godzilla
January 22nd, 2013
2:56 pm
My point is simply that our culture will not likely permit enough constitutional muscule to have a meaningful go at this..
For the record, I’m a recovering addict and guns have aways scared me.
I simply don’t see these as practical in terms of meaningful success…I think we should make them law because its the right thing to do but I have no illusions they will prevent much…310million guns out there…
For future reference, paranoia is not in my repertoire…I see myself as quad polar…meaning I go up and down as well as left and right. I’m not important enough for anyone to be out to get me…except getalife perhaps..
observer
January 22nd, 2013
3:10 pm
CT had very stringent gun control laws. Those controls did nothing to prevent the tragedy there. More gun control by the Fed govt. will not prevent such shootings. So what is the real purpose of Fed, Govt. involvement? Is it to identify all of those who own guns? Why do they need to know this? Even the dumbest among you on this blog (and there are lots of you) have to realize there is more to this than the “14 points” listed by Bookman. So, why not share with us the real long term aims for this expansion of Fed. control?
Thulsa Doom
January 22nd, 2013
3:11 pm
Still waiting to send out a $1,000 check. Just as soon as someone can back up his BS claim that I “applauded” the Newtown massacre.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 22nd, 2013
3:11 pm
Sure thing $25 pizza boy…. You apparently only saw what you wanted on Fox, child.
williebkind
January 22nd, 2013
3:11 pm
Since Timothy McVeigh all the shooters have been liberals. I think this is a group of crazy whacko liberals doing the shooting even if it means self sacrifice to win the sympathy of the American people to take away the guns. It does fit their agenda as their liberal teachers have expressed in their books.
What another shooting? It has to be liberals attacking the system.
JamVet
January 22nd, 2013
3:12 pm
Obama is a FISCAL liberal…
Not to be confused with American fascists:
Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power. ~Benito Mussolini
TBS
January 22nd, 2013
3:12 pm
“Go look up info on the concealed carry permit holder who drew on the mall shooter causing him to flee to a place where he killed himself vs. standing there resolving his jammed weapon and continuing to shoot. ”
Did the police confirm this? I remember the guy telling the story after the fact but not when the police arrived at the mall where the shootings occurred.
TaxPayer
January 22nd, 2013
3:12 pm
Payday loans are now available to help Republicans stock up on .223 rounds before their Burger King check arrives.
RB from Gwinnett
January 22nd, 2013
3:12 pm
“For evil to prosper all it needs is for good people to do nothing”
See also “Obama’s executive orders”. Same thing.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 22nd, 2013
3:13 pm
Pompous assenisity sure do cause idiots to say some really stupid things and then believe they are “winning”. Drink up on that tiger milk.
Thulsa Doom
January 22nd, 2013
3:14 pm
“You do realize “news” isn’t confined to what you see on The View, don’t you?”
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the cat
January 22nd, 2013
3:14 pm
Thulsa-send the check to Planned Parenthood, compliments of you.
YOu know what you said and projected, can’t spin your way out of this one.
Granny Godzilla
January 22nd, 2013
3:14 pm
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am…
January 22nd, 2013
3:10 pm
Granny Godzilla
January 22nd, 2013
2:56 pm
My point is simply that our culture will not likely permit enough constitutional muscule to have a meaningful go at this..
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I think you are “dead” wrong.
I’d say we need to strike while the iron is hot, but as the news shows today, the iron seems
to never come out of the fire.
Americans are sorely tired of gun violence and we will move to correct what we can.
The mood of the nation has changed.
Redcoat
January 22nd, 2013
3:15 pm
Obama’s orders!…….stop the name calling……..we need a law……hahahaha
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 22nd, 2013
3:15 pm
TBS, well if there is no video, it didn’t happen right?
williebkind
January 22nd, 2013
3:15 pm
“For evil to prosper all it needs is for good people to do nothing”
Or have whackos in charge doing the wrong things.
Thulsa Doom
January 22nd, 2013
3:15 pm
Oh lordy. One of my court jesters gittin all riled up. Thass when the klown amuses me the most.
Seriously Folks
January 22nd, 2013
3:16 pm
I still wonder why so many “gun rights” folks are terrified to have to carry some sort of liability insurance on your gun? I mean, you are “law abiding”..”freedom loving” Americans, so why would you be opposed to that, when you cannot legally drive a car without basic insurance?
The “grey area” is where your right to bear arms, crosses my right to do what I want without a gun. Just because its a right does not mean it doesn’t have responsibility…
Granny Godzilla
January 22nd, 2013
3:16 pm
RB from Gwinnett
January 22nd, 2013
3:12 pm
“For evil to prosper all it needs is for good people to do nothing”
See also “Obama’s executive orders”. Same thing.
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Geez it that a mish mash or what?
Joe Hussein Mama
January 22nd, 2013
3:17 pm
Doom — “Sez the poster who pined for my attention by addressing me, got blog smacked”
Again Doom lies. It’s how he rolls. Usually. children grow out of that lying phase by the time they’re six or seven, so there’s still hope for Doom.
“then mumbles some jibberish about go back to the kids table. Too funny!”
Adults talking here, son. Since you’ve got nothing mature to add, you can go on back to your room now. We’ll explain things to you when you’re old enough.
“Joe is on a tear with the completely inane, irrelevant, and inconsequential points today.”
Doom not smart enough or quick enough to pick up on the points; needs explanations, but the adults have better things to do than bring him up to speed. Poor Doom! (giggling)
TBS
January 22nd, 2013
3:19 pm
Keep
With all the surveillance in a mall, why is there no video of the guy in Oregon?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
LossOfLiberty
January 22nd, 2013
3:20 pm
What strikes me as most interesting in this whole debate is the willingness with which the left just gives away individual liberties. Stop for just a minute and take your precious Obama out of the picture. If you are so willing to give away liberties (privacy, guns, or anything else) to the current administration, what will you do when an administration you disagree with turns on you and you have no recourse. Don’t get me wrong, the Right is primarily responsible for the reprehensible “Patriot Act” so they are just as bad.
1st, people need to step back and take personalities out of the debate and think about what they are allowing to happen. 2nd, people need to realize that the government already has many of the powers outlined in these executive orders, all Obama is doing is ordering them to be enforced. While I don’t personally agree with the rampant sacrifice of personal liberties, I don’t see that his agenda accomplishes anything new. The BATF referred over 70,000 suspicious background checks to the DOJ for prosecution since 2001 and they’ve managed to prosecute 77 cases. In light of that fact what can either side say we have done here but further restrict the freedoms of law abiding citizens.
Wake up and live in liberty like the proud people who fought and died to earn it for us you freaking cowards! And stop the foolish kneejerk liberty grabbing every time something sensational happens. Responsible gun owners have a right to their guns, irresponsible ones don’t. Establish the law accordingly and be done with it. The size, caliber, etc. has nothing to do with it.
Adam
January 22nd, 2013
3:23 pm
Stevie Ray: It is quite obvious I’m talking about gun violence.
Not necessarily. There ARE others here trying to compare apples to oranges by saying that these measures don’t address ALL violence and therefore have no point.
None of the proposed laws will reduce gun violence in any meaningful fashion…
What makes you think that?
Redcoat
January 22nd, 2013
3:23 pm
Granny………I just tried of violent people period…….how about that?
Redcoat
January 22nd, 2013
3:24 pm
* I’m
DownInAlbany
January 22nd, 2013
3:25 pm
What is your understanding of the gun show “loophole?”
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
January 22nd, 2013
3:26 pm
FACT: Every year Obama was briefly in Congress he was ranked by an independent think tank the 2nd most liberal big spending member of Congres
FACT: Obama was a SENATOR.
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Keep: No problem requiring ID’s to vote with the conned but can’t do it with guns
I have a solution that will “kill” two birds with one stone! Have everyone BUY guns, preferably assault weapons, and they have to show their GUNS in order to vote!! No voter fraud and NO need for ID!!
Voila! Problem solved! I’m a freaking genius!
Adam
January 22nd, 2013
3:27 pm
RB: Go look up info on the concealed carry permit holder who drew on the mall shooter causing him to flee to a place where he killed himself
That did not happen. He drew his weapon, he SAYS the shooter saw him, but the shooter did not flee. This was admitted to by Meli himself.
josef
January 22nd, 2013
3:27 pm
Have I fallen into an echo chamber. I don’t know which is more tiresome, the posturing by the politico the re-post of the same topic day in day out by the Imam, or the same old nyah-nyanh by the two “sides….”
This is getting up there with abortion, evolution, climate change, and the recalcitrance of the GOP for dead horses…
Okay, that’s my comment on the thread…
Otherwise, it’s nice we’re having weather…
Adam
January 22nd, 2013
3:28 pm
Please define “ARMS”?
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Define “infringe”!
Define “well-regulated militia”
You can’t treat the last four words of the second amendment as gospel while treating the first four words as a mere suggestion.
Seriously Folks
January 22nd, 2013
3:29 pm
Doom. Seriously? You are bragging about people not challenging you on swimming pools…So I assume you proudly campaigned for John Edwards when he ran for President??? I mean, trial lawyers are the one’s that pushed for better safety measures on pool drains that trap kids underwater…(and its a counter argument to your spouting off on here as well…YES more kids were dying in pool accidents…so what did we do?? Hmmmm..stick our heads in the sand and say liberals were out to ruin summer??..(although…maybe Fox can do a “War on Fun” segment now!!!)..or did we say, look, there have got to be some ways to address this issue. (swim lessons, more training for lifeguards, better safety equipment)…
And all your boasting about “blog slams”…whatever that means…I have YET to hear one suggestion other the “enforce the laws on the books” as to how to combat this epidemic?
Thulsa Doom
January 22nd, 2013
3:30 pm
the cat
January 22nd, 2013
3:14 pm
“Thulsa-send the check to Planned Parenthood, compliments of you.
YOu know what you said and projected, can’t spin your way out of this one.”
Well if you can’t back up your assertion that I “applauded” the Newtown massacre then just say so. Put up or shut up. Back up your BS.
Granny Godzilla
January 22nd, 2013
3:31 pm
DebbieDoRight – A Do Right Woman
January 22nd, 2013
3:26 pm
FACT: Every year Obama was briefly in Congress he was ranked by an independent think tank the 2nd most liberal big spending member of Congres
FACT: Obama was a SENATOR.
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Keep: No problem requiring ID’s to vote with the conned but can’t do it with guns
I have a solution that will “kill” two birds with one stone! Have everyone BUY guns, preferably assault weapons, and they have to show their GUNS in order to vote!! No voter fraud and NO need for ID!!
Voila! Problem solved! I’m a freaking genius!
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Let’s start with assault weapons for the New Black Panthers.
Then “feminazis” and womens health providers.
Viola!
Adam
January 22nd, 2013
3:32 pm
Thulsa: Less than 25 or 50 killed in mass murdering crazy man rampages per year vs several thousand killed by thugs
Cite please
RB from Gwinnett
January 22nd, 2013
3:32 pm
Keep, “Sure thing $25 pizza boy…. You apparently only saw what you wanted on Fox, child.”
Here you go, Keep. I’ve done your homework for you just like was done for you in high school. http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-armed-confronts-mall-shooter-183593571.html
Who knew “Fox News” was spelled “KGW”????
Tool.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 22nd, 2013
3:34 pm
DDR, well don’t forget with that kind of “genius” you need to always add a BOOM to show you’ve got full blown Pompous Assenisity.
Thulsa Doom
January 22nd, 2013
3:34 pm
“I have YET to hear one suggestion other the “enforce the laws on the books” as to how to combat this epidemic?”- Seriously folks
I gave my suggestion. Let teachers and school aides bring guns with trigger locks to school and reimburse them for training. Teachers aides in Israel are armed and have thwarted or deterred attacks by terrorists. If you or the libs have a better idea than please present it. I’ld be happy to hear it. But out of all the nonsense listed above I don’t see much if anything productive coming out of Obama’s 23 point order. Show me where I’m wrong.
TBS
January 22nd, 2013
3:34 pm
josef
There is always the pass the thread by and ignore it until another comes along.
Not sure about you, but I have yet to be forced to come here.
The same topic is getting slightly old, but I haven’t been asked for topic input as of today.
josef
January 22nd, 2013
3:35 pm
DDR
You’re right. Both “sides” are center stage in a passion riddled drama and their audience is walking out … but, what the hey, it sells air time and ad revenue…
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
January 22nd, 2013
3:37 pm
Keep: DDR, I think there is always fatigue. The NRA counts on it. Right now, however, the nightmare of these killings will drive the support for gun control that has been long delayed. This is not a rush to pass rash laws. Sensible gun control groups have been pressing for these changes and to make sensible requirements for background checks for years. Too many politicians were too afraid of the NRA. However, the momentum has changed.
I hope/pray that you’re right Keep. I really do. Tired of seeing the blood of little children being used as a pulpit by the NRA for even MORE guns.
Jeffrey
January 22nd, 2013
3:39 pm
Mr. McConnell is full of something I’d shovel up out of the hall of my stable and spread around the wife’s rose bushes. And that goes for most of you NRA types as well. AND I own about a dozen firearms!
appleseed
January 22nd, 2013
3:39 pm
Poor Thulsa,he raves and rants,gets himself all worked up,but each morning he gets up,and every night he goes to bed Obama is still President of the USA.Get used to it Thulsie he is King.
TBS
January 22nd, 2013
3:40 pm
“Teachers aides in Israel are armed and have thwarted or deterred attacks by terrorists”
Some are and others are not. There are armed guards at each school, but no formally policy dictating that teachers or teacher’s aides be armed.
Adam
January 22nd, 2013
3:40 pm
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/sandyhook.asp#meli
Whether Meli’s self-reported actions prevented additional loss of life that day is a matter of speculation – since Jacob Roberts killed himself at the scene, there’s no way of knowing for sure whether his being confronted by an armed citizen might have caused him to break off shooting earlier than he otherwise would have.
But pro-gun people would prefer to speculate. All the while ignoring the times conceal carry areas did NOT have someone stop a shooter.
“Gun free zones” are not an invitation and conceal carry does not reduce crime. Crazy people care about neither of these things. Nor do criminals, by a 60-70% margin, according to a study done where criminals were ASKED what would deter them.
appleseed
January 22nd, 2013
3:41 pm
Accept it Thulsie. or get use to it.
josef
January 22nd, 2013
3:42 pm
TBS
I made my comment on the thread as per Jay’s request that we do that before going off on something else. I do basically ignore most of what’s here since it’s all pretty much a repeat. In case you don’t know, I wait for somebody to say something I AM interested in and then engage there…since it is a little bit of opinion about a lot of things…
TBS
January 22nd, 2013
3:42 pm
formal
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 22nd, 2013
3:44 pm
Yep RB. I posted that article in December when Senior Digits tried to make a similar claim. Unsupported after the fact claim with absolutely no supporting evidence. Wonder why? “Wannabe hero syndrome”? And note that the story says nothing about the gunman seeing a gun pointed at him and running off. That was a claim posted by Senior Digits based on a Fox story.
TBS
January 22nd, 2013
3:44 pm
josef
Sometimes it is what it is. “if it bleeds, it leads” and right now the gun issue is the topic of the moment…………
Redcoat
January 22nd, 2013
3:44 pm
Let’s face it,…….some people are smarter than others…….then there are those who think they are….
RB from Gwinnett
January 22nd, 2013
3:47 pm
Adam, that’s a classic. Snopes says they can’t determine if the concealed carry guy drawing a gun on the shooter made him stop trying to un-jam his weapon, flee, and shoot himself because he was DEAD and they couldn’t ask him. I’m LMFAO!!!!!
At you!!!
Thulsa Doom
January 22nd, 2013
3:48 pm
“Again Doom lies. It’s how he rolls. Usually. children grow out of that lying phase by the time they’re six or seven, so there’s still hope for Doom.”- Joe mommy
Where’s the lie Joe mommy. You addressed me first. So how is that a LIE? Liar.
“Adults blah blah talking here, son. Since you’ve got blah blah nothing mature to add, you can blah blah blah go on back to your room now. We’ll blah blah blah explain things blah blah blah to you blah blah blah when you’re old enough.”
Seriously Joe mommy? Is that all ya got? You’re weaker every day. Work on your game.
“Joe is on a tear with the completely inane, irrelevant, and inconsequential points today.”
“Doom not smart enough or quick enough to pick up on the points; needs explanations, but the adults blah blah blah have better things blah blah blah to do than blah blah blah bring him up to speed. Poor Doom! (giggling)” -Joe mommy
Joe mommy had a point??? That would be a first. Hilarious. Joe mommy presenting himself as an adult and then posting the (giggling) at the end of a sentence like he’s a 6th grader. Irony.
Up your game Joe. You’re boring me and anybody can do the “I’m an adult you’re a child so go back to the kid’s table routine”. You really can’t be any wittier than that stale azz routine? Weak dude. Just weak.
josef
January 22nd, 2013
3:49 pm
TBS
True.
josef
January 22nd, 2013
3:51 pm
TBS
But, then again, we can always tune into the JHM-TD show…
Adam
January 22nd, 2013
3:51 pm
RB: I’m LMFAO!!!!!
At you!!!
LOL that’s funny because there are three more people laughing at YOU.
You really don’t get how that’s all speculation do you? Don’t quit your day job!