Mitch McConnell: “King” Obama out to grab yer guns!
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, who faces re-election in 2014, is doing his part to model the new spirit of moderation and bipartisan compromise that the GOP hopes to demonstrate to voters in the days ahead.
Here’s how he begins a new email message sent out to supporters:
Dear Patriot,
You and I are literally surrounded.
The gun-grabbers in the Senate are about to launch an all-out-assault on the Second Amendment. On your rights.
On your freedom.
Just the other night, President Obama urged them to act. And then he went one step further, spelling out the 23 different Executive Orders he will take to get your guns.
My friend, our freedom is under direct assault.
From those who want take your guns. From those who want to shred our Constitution, and as our good friend Rand Paul from Kentucky says, from those who want to be King.
Let me tell you, Mitch McConnell is ready to lead the fight to protect your rights.
Will you stand with Mitch today? …
Below I’ve included the full list of 23 executive actions issued by the gun-grabbing “King Obama” regarding firearms. I confess to being curious: When McConnell describes these actions as steps that “(Obama) will take to get your guns,” which specific actions does he mean?
Is it the effort to keep identify people who are too crazy to buy guns? Is it the “national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign”? Or the order to trace all weapons recovered in the commission of a crime? The initiative to train first-responders on how to respond to a school shooting?
Every American voter ought to read McConnell’s letter (full text here), read the list of executive actions issued by Obama, and then decide for himself or herself which party represents the sane, rational way forward for the people of this nation.
1.) Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
2.) Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3.) Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4.) Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5.) Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6.) Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7.) Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8.) Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9.) Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10.) Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11.) Nominate an ATF director.
12.) Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13.) Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14.) Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15.) Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
16.) Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17.) Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18.) Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19.) Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20.) Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21.) Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22.) Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23.) Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
– Jay Bookman
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Doggone/GA
January 22nd, 2013
1:56 pm
“God is LOVE – not tyranny”
and yet we CANNOT go against his word, right? Sound tyranical to me.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 22nd, 2013
1:57 pm
Sorry, the comparison of gun laws to successful DUI laws is not a creditble pitch..
Adam
January 22nd, 2013
1:57 pm
Stevie Ray: Those most likely in any fashion to use a gun to kill probably don’t give a flip about tougher sentences.
However, some of the measures DO address exactly that as deterrent, and also address middle men or people who facilitate the person committing the crime, knowingly or not, for example.
DannyX
January 22nd, 2013
1:57 pm
“God is LOVE – not tyranny.”
Pick up a Bible, Morality. There are many stories of God killing babies.
Mr. Snarky
January 22nd, 2013
1:58 pm
“King Obama”…I like the sound of that.
Regnad Kcin
January 22nd, 2013
1:58 pm
“God is LOVE – not tyranny.”
Sure killed a lot of folks. Destroyed the whole world, once, I recall. No mercy at all, no warning. Strange kind of “love” if you ask me…
TBS
January 22nd, 2013
1:58 pm
DIA
Comments probably play a small part imo. It is the actual number of hits on the article that the paper is probably more concerned with. Not sure if Jay is the most read of the AJC political blogs, but all of them are read much more than just what is reflected in the number of comments posted.
Morality?
January 22nd, 2013
1:58 pm
Hollyweird North aka D.C. – Insanity captul of the U.S. Spending our way out of debt….. keep doing the same thing decade after decade and expecting a different result……. FACT: $16,000,000,000,000 + debt and growing every second. No – I don’t think D.C. is qualified to decide who is INSANE.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 22nd, 2013
1:59 pm
Looks like another fatal school shooting, this time at a college in Texas.
Adam
January 22nd, 2013
2:00 pm
Stevie Ray: Sorry, the comparison of gun laws to successful DUI laws is not a creditble pitch..
Sure it is. You just are buying the tautological argument that is neither here nor there that “criminals do it anyway.”
For example, drunk driving still happens. That means “criminals do it anyway,” which means we shouldn’t have restrictions on drunk driving.
It really is a pretty close comparison. Much closer than the false comparison made by pro-gun people who say we are punishing an inanimate object.
BTW, if a car does have a defect, and that’s what causes injury, death, or minor accidents, then the car company DOES have to answer for that. Just FYI.
alex
January 22nd, 2013
2:00 pm
Goodness, Jay continues to lead with the far right of the repubs and boy has he brought out the partisanship…as usual, a helpful fellow. Let’s see if we can find something in politics that is a little less disagreeable than gun rights the day after the ceremony where we were asked to fight for the common good and be Americans first….Or we could follow Jays lead and look for those issues that exacerbate a “bunker” mentality…HMMMMM!!!.
This president has led with a specific agenda, let’s see if he can work with both sides and bring some agreements on gay,climate,and fiscal issues. Or we could go on quoting those of the right who have already shown their stripes and will be reclcitrant to rational discussion. Now, where’s that bunker…..!?
Granny Godzilla
January 22nd, 2013
2:00 pm
Morality?
Proceed, Bless your heart.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 22nd, 2013
2:00 pm
Granny, that ACLU is certainly a extreme wingnut boogeyman…..
Erwin's cat
January 22nd, 2013
2:00 pm
JHM – e.g. press for changes in the laws to make it easier to catch offenders and prove their guilt in court? You mean like that?
yep…that exactly has increased revenues for the cities and attorney’s..DUI fatality has dropped in half since the creation of MADD….but overall traffic fatalities have dropped in half as well…so DUI fatalities dropped at the same rate as the all vehicular fatalities (a broader population)…thank, airbags, SRS, crumple zones etc…stricter laws thanks to MADD…not so much
I know it’s not a popular view, but numbers are numbers
Adam
January 22nd, 2013
2:01 pm
DannyX: There are many stories of God killing babies.
Hey Abraham! Kill your son!
Hahahaha JUST KIDDING! I just wanted to see if you’d do it. Put the knife down, you gullible human, you!
Thulsa Doom
January 22nd, 2013
2:01 pm
“Mr Doom believes the gubmint has no right to register his gun, but is fine with the gubmint determining he is crazy and confining him – even going so far as to disparage groups trying to protect his rights.”
Regnad,
Your first error was in assuming that I own a gun. I never have and probably never will. And if I ever do it would be a hunting rifle. Secondly I never said that I was fine with the gubment finding and institutionalizing mentally ill people. I am not. I said that if that is what you as in you people want than good luck with that because of the ASLU. Reading comprehension sir.
RB from Gwinnett
January 22nd, 2013
2:01 pm
Adam, “Don’t let the Canadian border hit you on your way out.”
Who’s going to feed you cookies when everybody making cookies hit’s the border on their way out, Adam? Do you seriously think you and all your liberal “do nothing” friends are going to stop paying 0% ETR and start paying for your own crap? I don’t think so.
Simple Truths
January 22nd, 2013
2:01 pm
Hmmmmmmmm @ 1:50 “Nobody on this blog cares for the facts…”
Award winning line for the blog. Truer words were never typed.
breckenridge
January 22nd, 2013
2:02 pm
Morality – I do not belong to the cult of Obama. If I belong to any cult it is the cult of fiscal conservatism, the world according to Barry Goldwater. You remember Goldwater? He was the guy who preached small government, fiscal responsibility, and individual freedom. That’s the same Barry Goldwater Planned Parenthood in Arizona has an award named after.
I guess, since there are so few of us fiscal conservative left, we could be considered a cult. Obama certainly isn’t a fiscal conservative. And George W. Bush wasn’t, the government expanded at a quicker rate during his tenure than it had since FDR. So no, the GOP may preach fiscal conservatism but in practice they’re anything but. It’s a party that’s been destroyed by right wing evangelicals, and evangelicalism, the belief in “cheap grace”, is the lowest form religion in existence.
Is it any wonder independents are now the largest block of voters?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 22nd, 2013
2:02 pm
Hmmmmmmm
January 22nd, 2013
1:50 pm
Interesting. So along your way of thinking, how many gun deaths are actually attributed to the mentally ill…that being diagnosed in advance? How many are attributed to someone otherwise mentally grounded who can’t handle certain circumstances? How many are attributed to crime?
How exactly do we legally identify which of the above is a mental risk before a gun killing?
Adam
January 22nd, 2013
2:03 pm
Erwin: but overall traffic fatalities have dropped in half as well…so DUI fatalities dropped at the same rate as the all vehicular fatalities (a broader population)…thank, airbags, SRS, crumple zones etc…stricter laws thanks to MADD…not so much
The rate is not exactly the same. What we did there was address multiple reasons for car accidents causing injury and death, while ALSO addressing the KNOWN likelihood of a motor vehicle operator under the influence as being more likely to cause an accident. The numbers is the numbers, and the correlation is pretty damn strong on both ends. We can deal with more than one problem at a time, man.
Mr. Snarky
January 22nd, 2013
2:03 pm
Jay, You forgot the secret edict: “#24 Drone attacks on the NRA”.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 22nd, 2013
2:04 pm
Of course most of these extreme wingnuts are concerned about the government determining mental health….most of them would fail to pass the sanity test.
DannyX
January 22nd, 2013
2:04 pm
“Who’s going to feed you cookies when everybody making cookies hit’s the border on their way out, Adam?”
Yes, because nothing says “Take that you socialist Americans” quite like moving to socialist Canada.
Morality?
January 22nd, 2013
2:05 pm
KING Obama – just a larger version of the arrogant KING Roy. And where is KING Roy now? Obama can still be voted out for actions that are unconstitutional and beyond his powers. If the Fed debt is ONE cent lower when Obama leaves office than when he came in to office I will sign over my house to Jay – if not Jay will sign over his house to me. That was my proposal – JAY DECLINED as he knows that will NEVER happen.
Adam
January 22nd, 2013
2:05 pm
DannyX: Yes, because nothing says “Take that you socialist Americans” quite like moving to socialist Canada.
ND
January 22nd, 2013
2:06 pm
That’s Galapagos-American Mitch McConnell to you, sir.
Thulsa Doom
January 22nd, 2013
2:06 pm
Logic fail, Doom.
Nope. Just cause Joe mama says so doesn’t make it so.
“Law enforcement and civilian groups have been *cooperating* for over 20 years to raise public awareness of the drunk driving problem and to come up with new ways to catch drunks in the act. In some cases, those new ways have consisted of — GASP — laws! Laws under which egregious offenders could be caught and punished — laws with simple, definable parameters like blood alcohol level.”
So tell us something that we don’t already know. Irrelevant point anyway.
“Contrast that with civilian groups like the NRA who — while they *do* advocate safe firearm handling and teaching kids and youth how to safely use and enjoy firearms via competitions, where precisely have they partnered with law enforcement to help catch gun law violators in the act? Where’s the 20-plus-years of cooperation between pro-gun groups and law enforcement to ferret out and catch the bad guys who are violating our gun laws?”
Police work is not their job. Its the police’s job.
“It’s one thing to say ‘y’all aren’t doing a good job of prosecuting these kinds of crimes; and quite another to say it and to *help* law enforcement get the job done. Where and how have pro-gun groups shown the same kind of activism in helping to catch the bad guys as groups like MADD have?”
As Erwin cat pointed out overall traffic fatalities have also dropped- not just DUI deaths. You do understand cause and effect vs mere correlation right Joe???
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
January 22nd, 2013
2:06 pm
Critical thinking skills fail. I doubt that a lot of the people that committ murders were “law abiding” citizens to begin with.
Thats an illogical statement.
Murder is a LEGAL definition defined in law and there are degrees of murder that necessitates a different tract or path.
A battered wife may “murder” her husband after years of abuse, however the law can say her offense was either 1st, 2nd, 3rd degree etc., dependent upon her state of mind at the time of the act.
If This battered wife before the incident happened had no criminal record OR no criminal intent, then what she did was NOT necessarily MURDER or an act of malice.
to say, “I doubt that a lot of the people that committ murders were “law abiding” citizens to begin with.” is simplistic and negates from your point that you were trying to make.
Regnad Kcin
January 22nd, 2013
2:07 pm
“God is LOVE – not tyranny”
God tortured Job. On a bet.
the cat
January 22nd, 2013
2:07 pm
Keep trying to spin it Thulsa. And yes you are being stalked.
Tom Middleton
January 22nd, 2013
2:08 pm
After reading the full text of McConnell’s e-mail, Jay, I dropped down to the comments section under number 2 and saw this posted by a Mr. Isaac McDaniel:
“McConnell has spent his professional career appealing to the worst instincts of Kentuckians: fear, ignorance, tribalism and self-righteousness. Kentucky deserves a senator who appeals to our better instincts.”
Like I feel so often after reading things you’ve posted, I couldn’t help but think that I wish I’d said that. Perfect!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 22nd, 2013
2:09 pm
Another tragic shooting…so much for the idiotic occasional mass murder claim.
Erwin's cat
January 22nd, 2013
2:09 pm
The rate is not exactly the same.
you are correct…overall vehicular fatalities have dropped a little than DUI fatalities since 1980…22.4/100k to 10.1/100k
How is what MADD has done any better than what technology has accomplished?
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
January 22nd, 2013
2:09 pm
Another shooting at a Texas college…damn.
Adam
January 22nd, 2013
2:10 pm
DDR: Of course he’s not going to answer you. He only answers when he thinks he is right.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 22nd, 2013
2:11 pm
Adam
January 22nd, 2013
2:00 pm
I’m not buying into any argument except practicality. One is made for killing and nothing else. The other is a necessity for most folks and only intentionally used as killing device in immaterial numbers.
Expanding laws against gun ownership and use will not discourage killings. It needs to take place but from a practical perspective, only likely to make those using guns responsible to add another layer to responsibility.
I’m cynical about the efficacy of any ideas that supposedly will reduce the number of killings. The best outcome has come courtesy of Roe V Wade…Unfortunately, the gun genie has 240 or so years out of the bottle…I simply see these laws for the most part as unenforceable without privacy, manpower, expense, and prevention perspectives…
indigo
January 22nd, 2013
2:11 pm
I always thought Georgia had the dumbest voters in the Nation.
After reading that McConnell email, I think Kentucky may be in first place.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 22nd, 2013
2:12 pm
E. Cat — “yep…that exactly has increased revenues for the cities and attorney’s..DUI fatality has dropped in half since the creation of MADD….but overall traffic fatalities have dropped in half as well…so DUI fatalities dropped at the same rate as the all vehicular fatalities (a broader population)…thank, airbags, SRS, crumple zones etc…stricter laws thanks to MADD…not so much”
“I know it’s not a popular view, but numbers are numbers”
Can you substantiate this, please? With dated numbers? I’m curious if the falloffs happened in conjunction with each other, or if one type of fatality (e.g. vehicular homicide with alcohol involved) fell off faster or more slowly than the other.
Just practicing President Reagan’s dictum, you understand. ‘Trust, but verify.’
Regnad Kcin
January 22nd, 2013
2:12 pm
As Erwin cat pointed out overall traffic fatalities have also dropped- not just DUI deaths. You do understand cause and effect vs mere correlation right Joe???
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A greater change brought about by MADD is the cultural one. When I was young, drunk driving was winked at, perhaps considered a bit manly (I’m man enough to drive this way!). Now, generally, drunk drivers are considered an evil in society. This, as much as anything, has reduced the amount of drunk driving, as has the “designated driver” concept, etc.
I think the correlation between fatal accidents and “drunk driving” fatalities may be a bit specious – perhaps because the modern car takes a lot less coordination to successfully pilot, fewer drunks crash their cars?
Adam
January 22nd, 2013
2:13 pm
Erwin: How is what MADD has done any better than what technology has accomplished?
I’m not arguing for MADD. I am arguing that drunk driving issues were addressed, and that had an effect, and that safety issues were also addressed, and that had an effect. Those effects are separate. You contend that the safety issues trump the drunk driving issues and in fact nullify any attempts to deal with drunk driving. The onus is on you to prove that the safety issues are 100% responsible for lowering fatalities and that drunk driving measures have had zero effect.
Thulsa Doom
January 22nd, 2013
2:14 pm
“The ACLU is currently fighting for mental health care in prisons.”
Granny Godzilla,
Irrelevant point.
“If the answer is not exactly the number of people who committed murders, or zero, to your question, then clearly there ARE cases in which this would be their first crime.”
Adam,
Its the scale and perspective thing biting you libs in the butt again isn’t it? I’m sure some of the murders were the first crime committed by a law abiding citizen. But I’ld be willing to wager the overwhelming majority of them were done by thugs with criminal records. Just wanted to correct your statement and amend it a bit to reflect reality. You’re welcome. No charge.
Morality?
January 22nd, 2013
2:14 pm
Breck – well we agree on the FISCAL conservative part – that’s what I have been all about on here forever.I am a FISCAL conservative. I voted for Ross Perot for that same reason. I don’t see how FISCAL conservatism is in contrast to believers of God? You can be both or neither or anywhere in between. You can be a FISCAL liberal and a believer. You can be a FISCAL conservative and a believer. And so on.
Adam
January 22nd, 2013
2:15 pm
Stevie Ray: Expanding laws against gun ownership and use will not discourage killings.
That’s not the intent of expanding the laws.
td
January 22nd, 2013
2:16 pm
Adam
January 22nd, 2013
1:37 pm
td: Government is the enemy of liberty not the friend of it.
Says you. Anyway why are those the only two options for government? “Either you’re with us or you’re with the enemy is SOOOO 2001….
You took my whole response out of context to fit your mindset. Typical progressive response.
The point of our founders was that an unchecked and not controlled government will take our liberties to increase their power. The genius of our founders is that they came up with a system that allows government to function but makes it almost impossible for them to enact laws, especially over a short time period, that will place our liberties in danger. This is exactly how it should be. Making laws should be difficult and the rights of the minority group must be protected from the overreach of government.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 22nd, 2013
2:17 pm
Morality?
January 22nd, 2013
2:14 pm
GOD? What would Jesus do? What would Muhammed do?
I have no clue what relevance these faiths have to do with anything politic.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 22nd, 2013
2:18 pm
Doom — “Nope. Just cause Joe mama says so doesn’t make it so.”
Same applies to you, Doom. Just because you say samething doesn’t make it so.
“So tell us something that we don’t already know. Irrelevant point anyway.”
Fine. Then you can go talk to someone else and I’ll discuss the point with Mr. Cat. He’s smarter than you, better informed and a more mature discussion partner anyway.
“Police work is not their job. Its the police’s job.”
You get slower by the day, Doom. I didn’t say it *was* their job.
“As Erwin cat pointed out overall traffic fatalities have also dropped- not just DUI deaths.”
Just because Mr. Cat says something doesn’t make it so, and I’ve already asked him for his numbers. Now, since he and I are already having a polite, adult conversation about it, how about you head on back to the kiddie table where the conversation is more your speed?
“You do understand cause and effect vs mere correlation right Joe???”
You do understand the difference between police work and getting laws changed, right Doom?
td
January 22nd, 2013
2:18 pm
Adam
January 22nd, 2013
2:15 pm
Stevie Ray: Expanding laws against gun ownership and use will not discourage killings.
That’s not the intent of expanding the laws.
But this is what the progressives are telling the American people the intent of these restrictions are.
Adam
January 22nd, 2013
2:18 pm
Thulsa: But I’ld be willing to wager the overwhelming majority of them were done by thugs with criminal records
Oh you would would you?
Would you care to apply that to anywhere other than Chicago, or are you just cherry picking?
Morality?
January 22nd, 2013
2:18 pm
Indigo – “Georgia may have the dumbest voters in the nation” – uh INDIGO are you in Georgia? Did you vote for Obama in Georgia? Well – you are partially right.
Granny Godzilla
January 22nd, 2013
2:19 pm
ND
January 22nd, 2013
2:06 pm
That’s Galapagos-American Mitch McConnell to you, sir.
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.Now that’s funny!
DannyX
January 22nd, 2013
2:19 pm
Morality and td, I bought you both a present, where should I send it?
Here’s a picture of it http://www.smosh.com/smosh-pit/photos/seen-toy-store-god
Thulsa Doom
January 22nd, 2013
2:19 pm
“perhaps because the modern car takes a lot less coordination to successfully pilot, fewer drunks crash their cars?”
Regnad,
Not sure what you mean. I remember driving cars from the 70s and 80s. It wasn’t any different in terms of requiring “coordination” than driving a car today. Cars are much nicer and more comfortable today but as far as coordination goes turning the steering wheel and or putting your foot on a brake doesn’t seem to require any more um “coordination” than it did 30 years ago.
td
January 22nd, 2013
2:20 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
January 22nd, 2013
2:18 pm
How can you say NRA members are not helping enforce the current laws when you can not tell us if it is NRA members or not that are calling 911 when they see shootings happen?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 22nd, 2013
2:20 pm
I just noted that Obama and Biden just started their term with prayer…not sure exactly how that is any different than hope…prayer and hope…not usually winning strategies…
How appropriate. What do you supposed they prayed for?
Adam
January 22nd, 2013
2:22 pm
td: But this is what the progressives are telling the American people the intent of these restrictions are.
No it isn’t. They are saying this will help reduce GUN killings.
Granny Godzilla
January 22nd, 2013
2:23 pm
Thulsa Doom
January 22nd, 2013
2:14 pm
“The ACLU is currently fighting for mental health care in prisons.”
Granny Godzilla,
Irrelevant point.
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Ah, nope.
Very relevant point to your post re the ACLU.
again, they get it.
JamVet
January 22nd, 2013
2:23 pm
I am a FISCAL conservative.
Another meaningless Republican slogan for the uninformed.
American capitalism is VERY economically liberal. (Yep, another of those words you have no working knowledge of, but hate anyway!) But let’s not let real definitions get in the way of your Republispeak!
Economic liberalism is the ideological belief in organizing the economy on individualist lines, such that the greatest possible number of economic decisions are made by private individuals and not by collective institutions. It includes a spectrum of different economic policies, but it is always based on strong support for a market economy and private property in the means of production. Although economic liberalism can also be supportive of government regulation to a certain degree, it tends to oppose government intervention in the free market when it inhibits free trade and open competition.
Thulsa Doom
January 22nd, 2013
2:23 pm
“Would you care to apply that to anywhere other than Chicago, or are you just cherry picking?”
Otay. We’ll add in LA, Detroit, Atlanta, and Philly. BTW I just picked Chicago because its Barack’s hometown. I don’t mind pointing out what a dangerous place it was to live while he was there and continues to be. Looks like his community organizing didn’t do a whole lot for safety of the people there did it? I never did get a list of his various accomplishments as a community organizer. Does that list exist? Let me rephrase that question. Outside of liberal fantasyland does it exist.
That Black Guy
January 22nd, 2013
2:24 pm
Adam
January 22nd, 2013
12:03 pm
Dharma Bum : And what is your prescription for restoring civility and creating unity?
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As a very wise person once told me on this blog, “Be the change you seek”
panic fan
January 22nd, 2013
2:24 pm
Just in the past weeks have seen where little kids a boy and girl age 5-8 was suspended from school for—- 1 saying they were going to shoot some one with a play bubble gun the other child made a sign with his hand like a gun and said the word pow What has me upset is that this is all they know from watching it ,i played army man as a kid used sticks as guns now that will get u in trouble as a child this is scary that kids cant say gun or play.
Erwin's cat
January 22nd, 2013
2:24 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year
I don’t know where MADD gets their numbers except they cite that since MADD (1980) DUI fatalities have been cut in half…I did per capita comparisons, MADD may be using total numbers (which would be disingenuous since the population has increased some in 30 years) but don’t know for sure. They quote 28k down to 16k in 30 years… in comparison…overall 51k down to 32k for the same years…
td
January 22nd, 2013
2:24 pm
Adam
January 22nd, 2013
2:22 pm
td: But this is what the progressives are telling the American people the intent of these restrictions are.
No it isn’t. They are saying this will help reduce GUN killings.
Ah the never let a crisis go to waste theology of the left. Take advantage of the emotional state of the people and then try to implement an agenda item that is not even related to the actual issue. Incrementalism at its best.
Morality?
January 22nd, 2013
2:25 pm
Please move up to the New Testament. God is LOVE.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
January 22nd, 2013
2:25 pm
Adam: DDR: Of course he’s not going to answer you. He only answers when he thinks he is right.
Yeah I know — his argument is interesting, however he’s messing it up with inaccurate analysis. So when he does that, he’s going to move the goal post. case in point: (Doom – Its the scale and perspective thing biting you libs in the butt again isn’t it? I’m sure some of the murders were the first crime committed by a law abiding citizen. But I’ld be willing to wager the overwhelming majority of them were done by thugs with criminal records.)
When Doom made his ORIGINAL comment, he stated, “ I doubt that a lot of the people that committ murders were “law abiding” citizens to begin with. as an absolute — backing himself into a corner.
Afterwards, to save his argument, he CHANGED his position, only slightly, to slightly agree BUT also to totally cloud the intent of his original post.
You see that Adam^^^ THAT’s why Doom is into insurance! Have you ever read an insurance agreement/contract that wasn’t shrouded in goobledegook? He knows his stuff.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 22nd, 2013
2:25 pm
ADAM
So to reduce killings from gun violence isn’t the goal?
Finally someone admits this is simply a knee-jerk reaction based on politics due to the pressure politicians felt to do something..
So the kids aren’t any safer, killings will continue trend but at least we will limit the number of bullets in some chamber (I guess those “sportsmen” who use these type weapons to hunt will have to brush up on targeting skills)and hysterically running around labeling those with known mental health diagnoses…
Thulsa Doom
January 22nd, 2013
2:26 pm
Granny Godzilla,
Nope. You failed again. We know people in institutions- prison, hospitals for the mentally ill, etc. get help with drugs and treatment. But we weren’t not talking about institutionalized people now were we? We were talking about mentally ill people who are out in the free world roaming around. Again. Your example has no pertinence.
DannyX
January 22nd, 2013
2:27 pm
“Please move up to the New Testament. God is LOVE.”
So we should all throw out the Old Testament? Are you saying the OT was not the word of God?
Got that, td. Time to do some editing.
getalife
January 22nd, 2013
2:27 pm
Another shooter at school in Texas.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 22nd, 2013
2:28 pm
td — “How can you say NRA members are not helping enforce the current laws when you can not tell us if it is NRA members or not that are calling 911 when they see shootings happen?”
Because I’m not talking about *just* shootings.
Do NRA members call 911 if they see someone attempting to sell something illegal or questionable at a gun show or on Craigslist? Do they call 911 if they see someone chamber a round at a gun show? Do they contact the ATF if they see someone online offering full-auto kits and instructions for modifying weapons?
Violating firearms laws includes a lot of things besides gunplay, td.
JamVet
January 22nd, 2013
2:28 pm
God is LOVE.
Yet the man who wrote this is eaten up with hatred.
Strange days indeed, mama…
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 22nd, 2013
2:29 pm
Morality?
January 22nd, 2013
2:25 pm
Not brought up in religious environment. I have no idea what that phrase means. So can I substitute “I Love You” with I God You? I think love means wanting only the best for a particular person……yet your God (sorry I’m not exactly sure how you define it beyond love)is an angry god, defines good versus evil and is the final judge of your body of work..
Granny Godzilla
January 22nd, 2013
2:29 pm
panic fan
last weekend toddler G brought me “purple”
which turns out to be a purple water pistol.
put my arms around him and told him granny doesn’t play with guns.
so he got the matchbox cars instead
all were happy
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.
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teach your kids that guns aren’t cool and not playthings
some will listen but some will shoot themselves or a friend by accident
you can only do the best you can
Adam
January 22nd, 2013
2:29 pm
Stevie Ray: Yes reducing killings from gun violence is the goal. Reducing killings IN GENERAL is not.
Adam
January 22nd, 2013
2:30 pm
td: The real issue is gun violence. Not violence IN GENERAL
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 22nd, 2013
2:31 pm
Mass shootings at 4 colleges since 1.1.2013…… but sure things are just fine with the gun nuts.
Logical Dude
January 22nd, 2013
2:32 pm
“King Obama”
okay, people enough of this!!!
If he was King, he’d be King Barack.
Sheesh, you people. . .
bookman parrot
January 22nd, 2013
2:32 pm
to
stands for decibels
January 22nd, 2013
1:36 pm
you are correct… i am a mind reader… i can read that anytime the Supreme Court would vote toward something you like, that they are full of sh*t and playing politics of the left…
i do appreciate your pointing out my mind reading ability… i’m reading from you right now that you don’t like this post… LOL
Granny Godzilla
January 22nd, 2013
2:32 pm
Thulsa
Failed again?
Ah nope.
You fussed about the ACLU and mental health….
I pointed out to you that they are fighting for mental health services in prisons, which is poor at best.
They will fight for mental health services for you too.
Isn’t that what you want? Isn’t that part of what needs to be?
silly, Thulsa, silly
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 22nd, 2013
2:32 pm
Thulsa Doom
January 22nd, 2013
2:26 pm
Agreed you evil Newtown cheerleader! JK of course as I found that label one of the more adventurous I’ve ever read.
I thought I understood the law was focused on those previously institutionalized? Maybe it will come under the realm of Homeland Security and we can spend billions enlarging scanning capabilities to include brain scan…can put them a DMV..
Doggone/GA
January 22nd, 2013
2:33 pm
“Please move up to the New Testament. God is LOVE”
but, but, but…EVERY word in the BIBLE is lterally true. The Bible is BOTH the Old and New Testaments.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 22nd, 2013
2:33 pm
E. Cat — “I don’t know where MADD gets their numbers except they cite that since MADD (1980) DUI fatalities have been cut in half…I did per capita comparisons, MADD may be using total numbers (which would be disingenuous since the population has increased some in 30 years) but don’t know for sure. They quote 28k down to 16k in 30 years… in comparison…overall 51k down to 32k for the same years…”
If you can find those numbers, I’d be very interested in seeing them. I presume MADD maintains numbers; I don’t know if they release them publicly or give any details on their sources.
I wonder if the NHTSA has what you’re looking for?
FWIW, I’m going to file your claim in the Asserted But As Yet Unproven file.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 22nd, 2013
2:34 pm
Granny Godzilla
January 22nd, 2013
2:32 pm
I think the ACLU will jump at the chance of the FEDs peeping into medical records or otherwise passing judgement on those suspected of mental illness that may lead to violence.
Gosh, we may just get out DEATH PANELS yet!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 22nd, 2013
2:35 pm
granny, you may have hit the nail on the head….. the fact that some of these posters seem irrational and may have mental health issues based on their ODS is certainly worrisome for them.
luangtom
January 22nd, 2013
2:35 pm
Well, people whine and cry about the Republicans being the demons and not fair in their analysis of gun-control and abortion. Let us look at Chicago and their success-story of gun-control in the city with very stringent laws pertaining to firearms and their ownership and control. The city had over 500 deaths in 2012 that were the result of murder by firearms wielded by citizens that are prohibited from owning them. There were more deaths on the mean-streets of Chicago than our troops experienced in Afghanistan in 2012. A fine success-story for the Left.
How many fetuses were dealt with in Chicago in 2012? Where are those numbers? I did not say infants, I said fetuses. So, add them all up, firearms deaths and abortions, and tell us how good your point-of-view works.
TBS
January 22nd, 2013
2:35 pm
td
Broad Bushes R US (thanks TBG) just called. Your knew shipment as arrived.
Do you ever use the words such as the following: some, a percentage, a few, the majority, etc?
Or does make a definitive statements such “as liberals this”, “progressives that”, no matter how factually incorrect make a better sounding argument in your little mind?
TBS
January 22nd, 2013
2:36 pm
new not knew
but you get the point
Adam
January 22nd, 2013
2:37 pm
TBG: Working on it. Not sure if I can attribute my responses and speech 100% toward the respectful level, or if there is some part of my mentality that simply refuses to let go. But working on it anyway.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 22nd, 2013
2:37 pm
Adam
January 22nd, 2013
2:29 pm
Picking of nits doesn’t suit you and you know it. It is quite obvious I’m talking about gun violence. None of the proposed laws will reduce gun violence in any meaningful fashion….I’m afraid within the context of our environment, it is here to stay. I think finishing high school would prove to be a potent elixor for many ills we face…
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
January 22nd, 2013
2:37 pm
The point of our founders was that an unchecked and not controlled government will take our liberties to increase their power.
Not quite right………….
the point of our Founding Fathers was that an unchecked and uncontrolled PERSON or ENTITY (like the KING they just overturned), will take our liberties and our freedom.
In their times, the King and the King’s will WAS the government. There weren’t at that time any other instances of a nation/country ruling itself outside of a monarchy or theocracy. REmember, the USA was just an EXPERIMENT; no one knew if it would fail or grow; but they did know that they did not want to become another monarchy where a ruling family or entity’s word was law.
People, when making absolutes about what the FF’s were thinking, (as in the 2nd Ammendment), make the mistake of putting them in OUR time.
Thulsa Doom
January 22nd, 2013
2:38 pm
“ I doubt that a lot of the people that committ murders were “law abiding” citizens to begin with. as an absolute — backing himself into a corner.
Libs are still having reading comprehension problems I see. What part of “a lot of” and not all do they not understand? Jeez. These mindless minions are beyond help.
Logical Dude
January 22nd, 2013
2:38 pm
Morality?: Please move up to the New Testament. God is LOVE.
Trying to define God in any way just shows us trying to put God into a context we, as humans, understand.
Unfortunately, God is incomprehensible, so any attempt to downgrade him to anything understandable by humans really does a disservice.
Jesus attempted to help humans understand by using parables, but like then, people still do not understand.
Granny Godzilla
January 22nd, 2013
2:38 pm
Stevie Ray…
Actually it would be the mental health professional REPORTING….
getalife
January 22nd, 2013
2:39 pm
They should show a picture of our President, then scan their brains for proof of ODS.
Regnad Kcin
January 22nd, 2013
2:40 pm
“Please move up to the New Testament. God is LOVE.”
When exactly did he change? And what caused him to change?
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
January 22nd, 2013
2:42 pm
Well, Sinkus says I’m Bookman’s HOF blogger so I thought I’d step in here and say something.
I see some anti-gun nut has went and shot up a colledge in Texas. And all to make us law-abiding gun owners look bad. I bet he never even had a carry permit. And he probly wasn’t a member of the NRA.
You won’t see me saying anything about these MADD people but in my opinion they have went too far. You can’t even get a snoot full and drive yourself home without getting throwed in jail. It ain’t right, I tell you. A fella’s got a right to cut loose once in a while.
Have a good p.m. everybody.
TBS
January 22nd, 2013
2:42 pm
“Libs are still having reading comprehension problems I see. What part of “a lot of” and not all do they not understand? Jeez. These mindless minions are beyond help.”
td is now a lib? He doesn’t understand exactly what you saying? I just hit him up on it. Not just the “libs”, that is unless you have “reading comprehension problems”
That one was too easy
Doggone/GA
January 22nd, 2013
2:43 pm
“In their times, the King and the King’s will WAS the government”
But it seems there are a LOT of people who don’t know that wasn’t true in England at the time of the Revolution. At the time of the American Revolution England was not ruled under the “Divine Right of Kings” principle. It was, as it is now, a Constitutional Monarchy.
JamVet
January 22nd, 2013
2:43 pm
They should show a picture of our President, then scan their brains for proof of ODS.
Too funny.
Rorschach meets Pavlov…
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 22nd, 2013
2:44 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 22nd, 2013
2:35 pm
Seems it is wrong on this forum to challenge those who believe every thing your hero does or says. If all those challengers left this site, you would be reduced to a meaningless mutual admiration society…which arguably is the case now except you would not have to deal with those pesky non-believers…