Mitch McConnell: “King” Obama out to grab yer guns!
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, who faces re-election in 2014, is doing his part to model the new spirit of moderation and bipartisan compromise that the GOP hopes to demonstrate to voters in the days ahead.
Here’s how he begins a new email message sent out to supporters:
Dear Patriot,
You and I are literally surrounded.
The gun-grabbers in the Senate are about to launch an all-out-assault on the Second Amendment. On your rights.
On your freedom.
Just the other night, President Obama urged them to act. And then he went one step further, spelling out the 23 different Executive Orders he will take to get your guns.
My friend, our freedom is under direct assault.
From those who want take your guns. From those who want to shred our Constitution, and as our good friend Rand Paul from Kentucky says, from those who want to be King.
Let me tell you, Mitch McConnell is ready to lead the fight to protect your rights.
Will you stand with Mitch today? …
Below I’ve included the full list of 23 executive actions issued by the gun-grabbing “King Obama” regarding firearms. I confess to being curious: When McConnell describes these actions as steps that “(Obama) will take to get your guns,” which specific actions does he mean?
Is it the effort to keep identify people who are too crazy to buy guns? Is it the “national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign”? Or the order to trace all weapons recovered in the commission of a crime? The initiative to train first-responders on how to respond to a school shooting?
Every American voter ought to read McConnell’s letter (full text here), read the list of executive actions issued by Obama, and then decide for himself or herself which party represents the sane, rational way forward for the people of this nation.
1.) Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
2.) Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3.) Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4.) Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5.) Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6.) Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7.) Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8.) Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9.) Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10.) Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11.) Nominate an ATF director.
12.) Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13.) Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14.) Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15.) Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
16.) Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17.) Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18.) Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19.) Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20.) Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21.) Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22.) Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23.) Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
– Jay Bookman
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RB from Gwinnett
January 22nd, 2013
11:30 pm
Doom, “Talk about twisted logic. You guys just don’t get the Right/Wrong thing do ya?”
They can’t get past blaming us for their ilk getting pregnant constantly because we won’t buy them birth control (and I assume also for not shoving the pills down their throats every morning) long enough to worry about the right/wrong part of it. In what decade was it a liberal was actually responsible for their own actions? Do you recall?
Mick
January 22nd, 2013
11:32 pm
rb
You want sickening? How’s about your daily loathing and miserable attitude about politics and life in general just about every frickin day? Unlike you and others, if a mother chooses to abort it’s on her, NOT ME! You have your life, learn to appreciate it and make it work, that you can control…
RB from Gwinnett
January 22nd, 2013
11:36 pm
Adam, “Until the fetus can be extracted and continue to become an actual child without being attached to the woman via umbilical cord and the nutrients that provides and the mutual dependence that creates, it is not a child.”
So, you’re going with the “age of viability” answer. Ok. So, answer this… The age of viability today is 19 weeks. 30 years ago, it was 26 weeks. Has the point at which life begins changed? If so, explain.
Mick
January 22nd, 2013
11:36 pm
doom
Nice sidestep, but I repeat, who will be raising the unwanted? I’m sure adoption might be an avenue but the only twisted logic is saving the life then ignoring it – that doesn’t add up…
Adam
January 22nd, 2013
11:41 pm
RB: The age of viability today is 19 weeks.
Upon what do you base this? Is the fetus viable in the same way a regular 40 week gestated fetus is viable? Can the parent hold it regularly, feed it, change diaper, without taking extra technological measures? Touching through a glass frame with gloves while the fetus is still hooked up to machines is NOT what I mean by viability
RB from Gwinnett
January 22nd, 2013
11:41 pm
Mick, if you were walking down the street and saw a 200 lb. man beating a 5 year old to death, what would you do? Would you say that’s his choice and keep walking?
If the answer is “no” then you understand how I feel about that fetus. I will not be the one who does nothing while evil flourishes.
Mick
January 22nd, 2013
11:41 pm
rb
For the record, would I ever want a baby that I conceived aborted? Hell to the no, it’s my responsibility and I would fulfill that obligation with love and support. The lady down the street who doesn’t want a child with a father who is absent or gone – that is solely her choice. End of story..
Mick
January 22nd, 2013
11:43 pm
**if you were walking down the street and saw a 200 lb. man beating a 5 year old to death, what would you do? Would you say that’s his choice and keep walking?**
False equivalent, you’re letting your emotion get the better of you but….I respect your conviction…
Adam
January 22nd, 2013
11:45 pm
RB: If the answer is “no” then you understand how I feel about that fetus
I understand how you FEEL about it, but that doesn’t change the fact that you are deciding that a woman has no right of consent to birth a child or not.
RB from Gwinnett
January 22nd, 2013
11:47 pm
Adam, you keep changing the rules. First if was survive on it’s own, then it sounded like “age of viability”, and now it’s got some rules about gloves and machines. WTF, Adam? It’s pretty clear your just making crap up at this point because you can’t defend any of your silly bumper sticker positions.
RB from Gwinnett
January 22nd, 2013
11:52 pm
Mick, “False equivalent, you’re letting your emotion get the better of you but….I respect your conviction”
It’s not a false equivalent. In both cases, a child who is unable to protect itself is being protected by someone who knows better than to allow the abuse.
Towncrier
January 22nd, 2013
11:52 pm
This is for no one but Jay:
I haven’t been online for close to a week, but I read your column on the 2nd Amendment last Thursday, which starts off with you saying the following:
According to some, the primary purpose of the Second Amendment is to ensure that citizens have enough firepower to overthrow the federal government, should it become necessary to do so. If the government ever loses its fear of such a revolt, the theory goes, our liberty ends and tyranny begins.
Let me be blunt: That is mythological claptrap. But like a lot of mythological claptrap, it can push weak-minded people — the Timothy McVeighs of the world — to do stupid and dangerous things.
It is certainly true that when the Second Amendment was drafted back in the 18th century, it was plausible to believe that an armed citizenry could be a check on overweening government power. Back then, there wasn’t much difference in the weapons available to private citizens and the weapons available to the military. It could have been, and sometimes was, a more or less even fight.
Let me be blunt: why don’t you stick to being a cheerleader for Obama and most things liberal and leave more difficult things like interpreting texts to those obviously more qualified than you? I haven’t a JD but I have advanced degrees and considerable experience at interpreting historical texts. Having studied the issue extensively, I don’t think there can be much doubt that the founders intended meaning of the 2nd Amendment was to ensure that retained the right to 1) individually bear arms (which, for the most case was an assumed unenumerated right though it was nonetheless codified in a number of state constitutions around 1789) so to, if necessary, form militias to 2) defend against threats to life and liberty, both foreign and domestic. It is NOT “mythological claptrap” and it is both intellectually dishonest (or stupid) and irresponsible to say as much. The 2nd Amendment was drafted out of thin air but (like most of the other Bill of Rights) as a kind of conflation of the proposed amendments by various states without whose vote, the Constitution would never have been ratified. Here is a link to some very important historical evidence:
=http://constitution.org/mil/militia_debate_1789.htm
Notice that two of the amendments proposed by states specifically stipulate in a separate clause a “right to keep and bear arms”. Here is what the 97th Congress concluded that right meant:
=http://www.constitution.org/mil/rkba1982.htm
It was clearly understood in the 18th century to be an INDIVIDUAL right. And that right might be exercised in the context of a STATE (not federal) militia to a) repel foreign military invasions b) put down insurrections and 3) defend against tyranny by the federal government (should it become oppressive to the extent the British crown had become – denying people their basic English Law rights). People who want to dismiss this last reason for bearing arms seem incredibly ignorant of history and anxious to suppose that the founders were, not even two decades removed from the start of the Revolutionary War, ready to jettison the very declared justification for that war – namely, “That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”
Liberals seem to want to “deconstruct” the Constitution and derive its meaning solely from the (admittedly often ambiguous) text. But that is plainly dumb, since almost none of the liberals would want courts to interpret THEIR wills or legal contracts in this fashion, should they prove ambiguous. They would want the courts to interpret theses documents as they intended them to mean, not as the current polls suggested they should or according to their own personal beliefs. Here is a great conservative analysis of the 2nd Amendment:
=http://www.virginiainstitute.org/publications/primer_on_const.php
Ironically, Scalia and the majority violate their own interpretive principles in passing over the right to bear arms against the threat of tyranny:
=http://www.repository.law.indiana.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1130&context=facpub&sei-redir=1&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26rct%3Dj%26q%3Dheller%2520scalia%2520tyranny%2520archaic%26source%3Dweb%26cd%3D2%26ved%3D0CDUQFjAB%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.repository.law.indiana.edu%252Fcgi%252Fviewcontent.cgi%253Farticle%253D1130%2526context%253Dfacpub%26ei%3DRlf_UM8xlNzwBKS6gNAP%26usg%3DAFQjCNG_nUg2xLw4EzLAirmz32Mjp-ntUA%26bvm%3Dbv.41248874%2Cd.eWU#search=%22heller%20scalia%20tyranny%20archaic%220
So I personally think Heller is not a great decision in that it ignores – in view of great technological advances – one of the principal reasons for the 2nd Amendment. The SC does not have the Constitutional right to ignore some intended meaning of the Constitution. SC justices, if the Congress wished, could impeach them for such a failing. It should have recognized the right of “the People” to bear arm partly against the threat of tyranny and then constrained, by judicial fiat, the federal government from using greater military force against the people than could be mustered by the people. THAT would be upholding the Constitution. But, just as it’s decisions in so many cases (such as those involving black Americans), it not so much upholds the Constitution is SWORN to uphold, but the majority view of the people at the time of its decision.
Please, Jay, stick to simpler political issue-of-the-day columns: it suits you better. Or put in the work to really understand the history behind and around the Constitution.
Marty Huggins'
January 22nd, 2013
11:53 pm
Unless raped or through incest,
It can be argued that a woman gives consent to have a baby simply by engaging in the act of consensual sexual intercourse.
A father is found to be responsible monetarily for the child by engaging in the same act by the court, regardless if birth control was used or if the female told the male she was “on” birth control.
Did he give consent or engage in a contract?
Me I’ve got 3 wonderful boys so am in no way arguing in favor of dead beat dads,
But what’s good for the goose………
Thulsa Doom
January 22nd, 2013
11:54 pm
“Nice sidestep, but I repeat, who will be raising the unwanted?”
Mick,
Why don’t people just do what they’ve done for most part for the last 6,000 years of recorded human history- raise their kids in a family and take care of the child?
Towncrier
January 23rd, 2013
12:00 am
“Nice sidestep, but I repeat, who will be raising the unwanted?”
I suspect there would be few “unwanted” children if no one had sex outside of marriage (you know – as in casual encounters, teen sex, adulterous affairs, uncommitted “relationships”). Just label me a prude and I will label people who use abortion as birth control as murderers.
Marty Huggins'
January 23rd, 2013
12:01 am
The issue of what to do with the children born to parents who do not want them could be helped with the removal of barriers. Often making it easier to adopt from abroad than from another state within America.
There are many couples or individuals who would love to be adoptive parents but are not able to do so in a timely manor or without untold obstacles.
That includes allowing or dele eloping a program to allow gay couple who want to adopt easier or the same access as traditional families.
Thulsa Doom
January 23rd, 2013
12:03 am
Gnight all.
Adam
January 23rd, 2013
12:12 am
RB: I didn’t change any rules, I am simply letting you know that viability as you are defining it isn’t at all close to what I meant.
Even if we had technology to beam the fetus out of a woman and gestate it with other technology, without her, upon discovery of the fetus, that would not mean the fetus is viable on its own.
But I expect now that I started talking about technology I have lost you….
pete
January 23rd, 2013
12:54 am
I suspect McConnell’s worried about the ‘mental health’ issues mentioned in those 23.
he a pretty seriously deluded guy.
USC
January 23rd, 2013
6:36 am
Get the hook. That mumbling corpse is dead.
Fred ™
January 23rd, 2013
6:41 am
No morning dose of fear, impotent, anger and lies from the deluded far right? Did lil Kyle let them stay up late last night?
Fred ™
January 23rd, 2013
7:02 am
Wow. So I’m perusing the AJC articles for my daily dose of AJC type propaganda when I come across the headline: “Theresa Ortiz Flaunts Her Insane Curves.”
I’ll be the first to admit that my knowledge of pop culture is woefully thin but after I see her picture I STILL have no clue who she is. So I google. Her IMDB page is empty of a bio, her sole credit is ‘makeup artist 1999 Guinevere,” no help there. I find an obit for some dead chick, a link to one of the worst “interviews” I’ve ever read, some facebook page, and of course the obligatory list of HOT photo’s. Ok, so who in the hell is she that she’s getting a headline? Does anyone know? Here are her pics…….
http://tinyurl.com/a5xvc4d
dcb
January 23rd, 2013
7:03 am
Dang it Jay I really hate to agree with you – but I do in this case. My only question is “why would Obama have to issue presidential orders for half these items that are already law or policy and should have been enforced as SOP previously?
Granny Godzilla
January 23rd, 2013
7:07 am
So how long until Bibi gets a no confidence vote?
3 months? 6?
oh and
Good Morning!
stands for decibels
January 23rd, 2013
7:26 am
I see the usual grumpy old men were up last night telling us why they should be able to control women’s bodies, and apply criminal penalties to those hussies who don’t behave.
And they wonder why they keep losing.
stands for decibels
January 23rd, 2013
7:28 am
Just label me a prude
no, you’re not that interesting, Towncrier. You’re just delusional. Fortunately, people like you don’t get to set our nation’s health policies any more.
Mick
January 23rd, 2013
7:29 am
Good morning!
“Astoundingly, Mr. Obama – the supreme pragmatist and compromiser – gave an inaugural address that was as strong a defense of progressivism as we have seen in thirty years. Yet it will take more than words to make a difference. As the echoes of his speech fade, we are still faced with ultra-rightwing terrorists threatening to hold the US economy hostage to a set of demands that the majority of Americans disagree with.
These are the same loonies who deny global warming; the same ones who set up a museum showing prehistoric humans walking with dinosaurs; the same ones who think the answer to gun violence is more guns; the same ones who voted against relief for victims of Sandy … the same ones who want to shove ultrasound instruments into women’s vaginas and tell people who they can and cannot marry while simultaneously shouting to the rooftops about freedom and values.
Yeah. Their freedoms, their beliefs and their values, please. All others step to the back of the bus, or consult Leviticus. You know, that font of ancient wisdom that tells us when and how to stone our neighbor’s daughter.
Want to know how our political discourse got so mind-numbingly stupid?
Well, we can start with this little fact: The press is so enamored with “balance” that they’ll treat even the most ignorant, shallow, fatuous movement – a movement composed of the selfish, the self-obsessed, the angry, the bigoted, and the blissfully ignorant – as if it were a serious movement.”
read more-
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/01/22
stands for decibels
January 23rd, 2013
7:45 am
Yet it will take more than words to make a difference.
True, Mick. But, a big “however” applies.
There are only a few times in a President’s term when his words are needed to shape a debate, and to make it acceptable for people to repeat them. An inaugural address is one of those rare times.
Think for a moment about what Reagan represented to conservatives, as opposed to what he was able to accomplish as a President. On the latter score, we all know that he actually raised taxes, supported gun control, etc. But people remember “government is the problem.” People felt emboldened to use his rhetoric to support their own agenda.
Obama crossed a Rubicon of sorts when he invoked Stonewall, literally in the same breath as Selma and Senica Falls–kids today won’t be so likely to invoke scorn if they go on to link these three civil rights efforts. He decided, quite rightly I believe, to continue to call out conservatives on their “47%/makers v. takers” BS and explain clearly that we don’t free ourselves by gutting SS, Medicare and Medicaid, we do so by ensuring that these programs are viable. And so forth.
Now that I’ve had a bit of time to digest his speech, I suspect that while we will have a lot of bumps on the road to making this a more perfect union, Obama’s words will echo in many successful future efforts. And while I have plenty of issues with his administration, I applaud him for those words.
.
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[I realize that little/none of this has to do with that Commondreams article you linked. Just needed an excuse to seize upon one of the points made in it, was all.]
stands for decibels
January 23rd, 2013
7:52 am
There are many couples or individuals who would love to be adoptive parents but are not able to do so in a timely manor or without untold obstacles.
Sometimes I am tempted to call BS on this, because our experience was such a relative breeze. I do think a lot of couples/individuals hear about the worst experiences, and don’t bother to make much of an effort, but how many, I can’t say.
Anyway, every state is different, and every state social service agency is subject to the competence and diligence of those who work in it, so I realize that other people’s experiences may be different, and I certainly don’t pass judgement on those who decide it’s not worth their effort.
But FWIW–I would support continued efforts (Clinton had begun them, and that legislation has helped) to smooth out the process of getting kids from foster care to adoption. I think a lot of parents are, frankly, scared to go that route, justifiably fearful of losing child after child to the biological family. Our policy needs to strike a better balance, I think, so that some of that fear is assuaged, and more kids who need loving, permanent homes are placed in them.
stands for decibels
January 23rd, 2013
7:55 am
I should’ve added:
That includes allowing or dele eloping a program to allow gay couple who want to adopt easier or the same access as traditional families.
Oh, absolutely. It’s shameful that the 110th Congress didn’t bother to pass laws banning any impediments to gays adopting children. I know it’s easy for me to sit here and Monday morning quarterback, but that’s one they could’ve won with the public at large had our Fierce Advocate come out of the closet a bit earlier than he did.
Marty Huggins'
January 23rd, 2013
8:02 am
stands for decibels
January 23rd, 2013
7:52 am
Glad to hear that your experience was not a difficult one.
However it is currently easier to adopt a baby from a foreign nation than from a state other than your own.
Add to that even more scrutiny and possibilities of personal bias effecting ones case because they are gay. No other reason.
I agree with you about biological parents claiming parental rights and then having adopted child removed from only family that has always wanted them and cared for them
Ronald Reagan Parkway
January 23rd, 2013
8:04 am
Mick
January 23rd, 2013
7:29 am
Thanks for the article….that was a nice read to start the morning with!
stands for decibels
January 23rd, 2013
8:10 am
I agree with you about biological parents claiming parental rights and then having adopted child removed from only family that has always wanted them and cared for them
Marty, you do realize that once the child is actually adopted, the biological family’s odds of actually reclaiming the child are pretty slim, yes? (I know it has been known to have happened, but it is probably a LOT rarer than people imagine.)
The justifiable fears I spoke of are during the *foster* stage, for those parents who participate (as we did) in a foster-to-adopt program. When you are a foster parent, the child belongs to the state, not to you. Those can be very challenging times for the potential adoptive parent, and that’s the fear I was speaking to. Once adopted, that fear should more or less vanish.
Fred ™
January 23rd, 2013
8:13 am
dB: One problem you have with making it easier for gays to adopt is when you have a crazy couple like those two looney ladies who fed their son hormone blockers to stop puberty so he could decide if he REALLY wanted to be a girl.
Yeah, I know idiots like these are a minority so small they shouldn’t even be mentioned, but the press runs with stories like this and it feeds the far right phobias. It makes it easy for a few to blocks votes.
stands for decibels
January 23rd, 2013
8:17 am
One other thing:
The press is so enamored with “balance” that they’ll treat even the most ignorant, shallow, fatuous movement – a movement composed of the selfish, the self-obsessed, the angry, the bigoted, and the blissfully ignorant – as if it were a serious movement.”
Well of course they do. That’s to be expected of corporate-owned media. It’s not that they’re enamored of balance, it’s because they are — I can’t say this strongly enough — CONSERVATIVE. They may have hired help that tends to vote Democrat, but the hired help doesn’t decide who gets hired to make the assignments in the first place, and who is hired to establish an editorial tone.
What liberals need to get through their thick skulls is that the “liberal media” nonsense from the right isn’t just an exaggeration, it’s a lie. It is not in the media’s interest to provide a truly balanced view. It’s because of this institutionally conservative tilt that we continue to hear nonsense about a “debt crisis” treated as if it were established fact; it’s why labor disputes are nearly always pitched toward the side of management, etc.
stands for decibels
January 23rd, 2013
8:19 am
idiots like these are a minority so small they shouldn’t even be mentioned
so don’t.
(But I do get your point. Such anecdotal crap should be easily overwhelmed by the majority of great experiences that can be shared by same-sex couples.)
Gale
January 23rd, 2013
8:19 am
Fred, that hormone therapy is actually a treatment being proposed by the medical community for maybe-transgendered children. Straight couples are using this too. I read an article about it a year ago.
Adam
January 23rd, 2013
8:21 am
Jeez. Let ADULTS figure out if they are the wrong gender. Let them figure it out ON THEIR OWN. This is why we need mental health for all dammit.
Marty Huggins'
January 23rd, 2013
8:22 am
stands for decibels
January 23rd, 2013
8:10 am
I am aware of that.
There is no need to speak to folks as if they are children.
With that said it was my understanding that many of instances in which the child is removed and given back to the family is thru foster to adopt type programs.
Another large amount of those type cases occur when all of the adoption process is done and there is an agreement before the baby is born. Usually after the mother gives birth and then does not want to go through with it.
I so not have a solution to this but it is very unfair for the possible adoptive parents who for the life of the pregnancy as known to them have wanted and loved the child and prepared for the child to be.
ken
January 23rd, 2013
8:24 am
Hope and Change
WASHINGTON (CBS DC) – Fewer than four-in-10 Americans (39 percent) rate the US in a positive manner – the most negative feedback the country has produced since 1979
Gale
January 23rd, 2013
8:24 am
The problem is that the transgender situation sometimes surfaces in early childhood. Do you really think a child should live through all that confusion until they are maybe 40 before they figure it out?
Redcoat
January 23rd, 2013
8:28 am
For the Feds and Global Corporations…….business is great……
GT
January 23rd, 2013
8:29 am
I woke up this morning to the glorious news that this country is still a democracy. Mitch, news break, Obama won the election, the national election which so far your people haven’t figured out how to rig even with billions of dirty dollars and a Supreme Court ,until recently, was in your back pocket and allowed obscene and anonymous contributions. If there is royalty involved here it is your party, the fast sinking minority, and the word pain follows it.
You are really going to see some power this time around, a thing call executive orders will unclog the House real quick. If you want to cut spending vote on it in the Congress, or pay for what you voted into law.
JamVet
January 23rd, 2013
8:30 am
ken, when 90% of GOPers have quit on the USA, what do you expect? LOL!
Marty Huggins'
January 23rd, 2013
8:31 am
Gale
January 23rd, 2013
8:24 am
As with many things in early childhood it could also be a phase.
Many people don’t figure out their sexual orientation until college age or later.
Per adult life is confusing for all some more than others, a pill or hormone therapy should not be done until a valid age of consent can be established.
Redcoat
January 23rd, 2013
8:32 am
Obama said to stop the name calling…….!
Fred ™
January 23rd, 2013
8:32 am
Gale
January 23rd, 2013
8:24 am
The problem is that the transgender situation sometimes surfaces in early childhood. Do you really think a child should live through all that confusion until they are maybe 40 before they figure it out?
++++++++++++++++++++
Hell no Gale, let a 6 year old with all their life experience decide after watching Snow White and the Seven Dwarves get a sex change.
Just damn………
stands for decibels
January 23rd, 2013
8:32 am
Another large amount of those type cases occur when all of the adoption process is done and there is an agreement before the baby is born.
well, that’s a whole ‘nother ball of wax, and I am largely ignorant of the nuts and bolts of such arrangements.
and my apologies if I was guilty of “speak[ing] to folks as if they are children”–not sure if that’s what you were saying, but it wasn’t my intent, at all. I’d really like to shed light on this issue when I can, and not pick fights.
RB from Gwinnett
January 23rd, 2013
8:33 am
“I see the usual grumpy old men were up last night telling us why they should be able to control women’s bodies”
And this morning we have yet another liberal who is either too stupid to figure out the issue has nothing to do with the woman’s body and is ONLY about the child or who is intentionally trying to distract from the real issue to avoid the guilt of being the cheerleader to millions of murdered children.
Take your pick, Stands. Are you stupid or guilty?
Redcoat
January 23rd, 2013
8:33 am
GT……..representative republic?……democracy?
stands for decibels
January 23rd, 2013
8:33 am
[by the way, I know nothing of this gay couple Fred spoke of--the story just hadn't crossed my radar.]
Marty Huggins'
January 23rd, 2013
8:33 am
JamVet
January 23rd, 2013
8:30 am
You got a link for that or you just making stuff up again?
stands for decibels
January 23rd, 2013
8:35 am
and is ONLY about the child
it’s not a “child” when it’s in the first trimester of gestation, RB. You can call names all you like, but you won’t change that scientific fact. There are terms for these things. at that stage of development, it’s not a child, or a baby, or even a fetus, it’s an embryo.
Period.
hiram
January 23rd, 2013
8:35 am
Two ducks were sitting in a bathtub. The first duck says, ” Can you pass me the soap.” The second duck says, “What do I look like? A radio?”
stands for decibels
January 23rd, 2013
8:36 am
…and RB, when you stand that ridiculously far outside the mainstream by continuing to bray about “murdered children,” you only ensure continued, richly deserved defeat.
Redcoat
January 23rd, 2013
8:37 am
decibels……..who’s developed that fact?…….and are they always correct? Proof that it’s all in how you define things…..
GT
January 23rd, 2013
8:38 am
Mark Cuban on CNN last night was the first person who actually came out and explained the reason this economy is in trouble and it isn’t spending. You can’t compare the government which can print its own money to a household budget.
The computer is taking jobs, all over the world that cannot be replaced. Production has never been so great yet unemployment is high. You think the state of Georgia is prepared for the computer age; there are still citizens here who claim there are no computers just conspiracies of the left.
LIBERAL Progressive and damn proud of it.
January 23rd, 2013
8:38 am
Miss McConnell made very clear what his motivation is four years ago. He’s no patriot. He doesn’t care about freedom or liberty or guns or laws or the debt or healthcare or anything else of import. He is motivated by his hatred of our President, period. That single fact de-legitimizes him regarding every issue. Kentucky needs to send his wrinkled old ass packing.
indigo
January 23rd, 2013
8:39 am
Marty Huggins – “there is no need to speak to folks as if they are children”
But, Marty, many of them here ARE children.
keith
January 23rd, 2013
8:42 am
If a white Republican had done the things the black liberal democrat has done he wouldve been impeached. The media wouldve lambasted him over Gitmo, drone attacks, Fast and Furious, Benghazi, Egypt, Libya, it goes on and on….. But because he is a far left radical hes A-OK with bookman.
indigo
January 23rd, 2013
8:44 am
Obama is President of The United States, NOT KING!!!
And yet, McConnell and many of the cons here are reacting to his speech as though Obama has almost absolute power and is going to send jack-booted thugs all over the country to grab their guns.
Democrats in the House and Senate have state and district constituents. Many people in those states and districts are gun owners and believe in their right to keep and bear arms.
Do any of you cons here actually believe that Democratic politicians will just ignore their constituents on this issue?
If so, you know little or nothing about American politics.
Granny Godzilla
January 23rd, 2013
8:46 am
RB
“And this morning we have yet another liberal who is either too stupid to figure out the issue has nothing to do with the woman’s body”
ok….here’s the deal RB
I would support more restrictions on abortion IF at puberty all males were fitted with an Intra Vas Device.
You know, it’s got nothing to do with the mans body and everything to do with the child he might father.
keith
January 23rd, 2013
8:46 am
why did the magic negro have is issue an executive order for a new director of ATF? Cant obama do that without ordering himself to do it. All he has to do is name someone then get confirmation from HIS Senate.
hiram
January 23rd, 2013
8:46 am
A boy owned a dog that was uncommonly shaggy. Many people remarked upon its considerable shagginess. When the boy learned that there are contests for shaggy dogs, he entered his dog. The dog won first prize for shagginess in both the local and the regional competitions. The boy entered the dog in ever-larger contests, until finally he entered it in the world championship for shaggy dogs. When the judges had inspected all of the competing dogs, they remarked about the boy’s dog: “He’s not that shaggy.”
Redcoat
January 23rd, 2013
8:47 am
“Hatred of the President” …….you hate GW Bush? Mitch McConnell?… why do you feel that way?…….is it right?
Fred ™
January 23rd, 2013
8:48 am
keith
January 23rd, 2013
8:42 am
If a white Republican had done the things the black liberal democrat has done he wouldve been impeached. The media wouldve lambasted him over Gitmo, drone attacks, Fast and Furious, Benghazi, Egypt, Libya, it goes on and on….. But because he is a far left radical hes A-OK with bookman.
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Wow it took you THIS LONG to get sober enough to get out of bed and post your morning dose of hate, impotent rage and FOXBOT lies? Cut back man, cut back……..
keith
January 23rd, 2013
8:48 am
Bill Clinton had it right. obama should be carrying his luggage to the hotel room. thats all he is really qualified to do.
Marty Huggins'
January 23rd, 2013
8:49 am
indigo
January 23rd, 2013
8:39 am
I’m confident that is a 2 way street. With many children seeing themselves as the adult and the adults being seems as children by mental children.
We all could afford a little more civility and not just words about it.
Be honest and direct but no need for trying to talk down to another person
Fred ™
January 23rd, 2013
8:50 am
hiram is David Letterman’s old head writer. Now you see why he lost his audience……….
keith
January 23rd, 2013
8:51 am
you have been so indoctrinated by the leftist media you cannot distinguish fact from fiction. everything obama does is A-OK even when it kills Americans. obama killed a US Ambassador, obama killed a border patrol agent. he has allowed terrorists to take control in Egypt and Linya. and the jokers on the left sit there with a stupid grin on their face worshipping the fool.
JamVet
January 23rd, 2013
8:52 am
Marty, you don’t grok sarcasm do you?
But you could always poll the cons here, link Frank Sinkus, to see who have!
As his favorite new idiotic phrase is RIP USA 1776 – 2008
…magic negro…
Careful, Keith! Your sheets are showing.
GT
January 23rd, 2013
8:53 am
What is it about the right and impeachment? They haven’t had a straight president since Eisenhower ,maybe Ford, yet they throw the word impeachment around like they are capable of judgment. They think the way to stop anything against them is to kill or lock em up. A large reason for our situation in this modern day is their primitive approach to reality that obviously has not worked out so well for them or this nation. How do you compromise with a group that can only grunt and just has two gears?
stands for decibels
January 23rd, 2013
8:53 am
Hitlery/Hildebeast/Cankle SHEETZ.
Granny Godzilla
January 23rd, 2013
8:53 am
keith
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Proceed
Bless your heart.
Gale
January 23rd, 2013
8:53 am
Marty, While it is true childhood has many phases, this therapy is looking at very specific cases that cover years of transgender behavior. It is more commonly found with boys, because “toyboy” behavior usually does not upset the norm. However, boys who constantly choose dolls and girls clothing, and cry when pushed to play with boy’s toys or wear boy’s clothes, with behavior over years, are exhibiting more than a phase. The article gave several case studies. The object of the therapy is to stall puberty BECAUSE a big problem that male to female gender change is that often the resultant woman is 6 feet tall with broad shoulders and is not really accepted as a woman by our cultural expectations of womanly stature. The therapy itself cannot change a boy into a girl. It simply delays puberty until a time when the individual can understand better.
Fred ™
January 23rd, 2013
8:53 am
Marty Huggins’
January 23rd, 2013
8:49 am
indigo
January 23rd, 2013
8:39 am
I’m confident that is a 2 way street. With many children seeing themselves as the adult and the adults being seems as children by mental children.
We all could afford a little more civility and not just words about it.
Be honest and direct but no need for trying to talk down to another person
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You are the only one who thinks Stands talked down to you. Seems like the problem is yours not his. I found his post to be civil and informative.
Indigo was making a joke. you need to lighten up Frances.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6cxNR9ML8k
JamVet
January 23rd, 2013
8:54 am
Oh I get it; keith is form the seventh grade school of political blogging.
A LOT of emotional immaturity…
keith
January 23rd, 2013
8:54 am
you pathetic hypocritters condemned Pres Bush when he had his inauguration. it was too expensive you said. Ann Romney clothes were too expensive in the last campaign. yet you sit there fawning over the biggest fraud to ever occupy 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
hiram
January 23rd, 2013
8:54 am
There was a man who entered a local paper’s pun contest. He sent in ten different puns, in the hope that at least one of the puns would win. Unfortunately, no pun in ten did.
Gale
January 23rd, 2013
8:54 am
Oh, and btw, transgender is not an issue of sexual preference.
Fred ™
January 23rd, 2013
8:55 am
keith
January 23rd, 2013
8:51 am
you have been so indoctrinated by the leftist media you cannot distinguish fact from fiction. everything obama does is A-OK even when it kills Americans. obama killed a US Ambassador, obama killed a border patrol agent. he has allowed terrorists to take control in Egypt and Linya. and the jokers on the left sit there with a stupid grin on their face worshipping the fool.
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Loves me some irrational hate filled posts fueled by impotent far right wing nutcases FOXBOT ANGER. It’s fun to get the morning laugh from crap like this.
RAGE ON keith, RAGE ON!!!!!!!!!!!
Marty Huggins'
January 23rd, 2013
8:56 am
Granny Godzilla
January 23rd, 2013
8:46 am
Why all males?
Are all males abandoning their children?
If a teenage boy does have sexual intercourse and gets a girl pregnant does he have any decision making power as to the life and viability of that pregnancy?
He surely is liable for all acts resulting from said sexual encounter.
Who seriously does not know pregnancy is a result of having sex?
Thinking it won’t happen to you is not an excuse.
keith
January 23rd, 2013
8:58 am
Thank GOD theres a few people in the HOR with some sense to keep the executive idiot from completely destroying the country.
keith
January 23rd, 2013
9:00 am
Are all males abandoning their children?
obamas kenyan daddy did. it was left up to his WHITE grandparents to raise him. Without them he would still be laying on the beach with a crack pipe in his mouth.
Marty Huggins'
January 23rd, 2013
9:03 am
Gale
January 23rd, 2013
8:54 am
No transgender is not an issue of sexual preference.
A boy who feels he should be a woman could also feel he should be a lesbian woman.
But I feel it is a legit comparison to establish that if sexual orientation is often not discovered until after college I feel we should at least wait on puberty to begin and take a good hold before we start with the hormone treatment.
My 18 month old thinks he is a cow sometimes and when he does, he refuses to agree that he is a human boy.
JamVet
January 23rd, 2013
9:03 am
KKKeith, you are a hoot; stuck in the 1950s like that.
Good luck trying to have any kind of happy, successful life.
Off to see the vampires!
Butch Cassidy (I)
January 23rd, 2013
9:04 am
RB from Gwinnett – “intentionally trying to distract from the real issue to avoid the guilt of being the cheerleader to millions of murdered children. ”
Don’t look at it as “murder” RB. Think of it as not adding to the “47%” that you hold in such contempt.
Granny Godzilla
January 23rd, 2013
9:07 am
Marty Huggins’
January 23rd, 2013
8:56 am
Granny Godzilla
January 23rd, 2013
8:46 am
Why all males?
Are all males abandoning their children?
If a teenage boy does have sexual intercourse and gets a girl pregnant does he have any decision making power as to the life and viability of that pregnancy?
He surely is liable for all acts resulting from said sexual encounter.
Who seriously does not know pregnancy is a result of having sex?
Thinking it won’t happen to you is not an excuse.
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.Marty… RELAX ….it’s called point and counterpoint
If abortion has “nothing to do with the womans body” as RB points out….
then fair being fair the implantation of a “Intra Vas Device” can’t be about the mans body.
It’s important for you to read the entire conversation and get the complete context.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 23rd, 2013
9:07 am
Doom — “Rejected ma’am!”
Denied, sonny.
“I stated that you addressed me first which you did. You then said it was a lie.”
Denied, little one with the poor reading comprehension. You *also* said that I “got blog-slapped,” but you failed to note that the alleged slappage was debunked about hald a page later. That’s what I’m referring to.
“How was it a lie?”
Work on your reading comprehension, boy.
“You addressed me first ma’am.”
And that isn’t *all* you said, and it wasn’t what I responded to.
“Its right there in the blog record for anyone to see. Plain and simple.”
Yes, it is. The debunking of the alleged blog slappage is right there for anyone to see.
“Kinda bizarre that you can blatantly lie”
No lie involved, just your poor reading comprehension and your raging case of ADD. Otherwise, how else could you forget what *else* you said, son? (giggling)
“get caught in it”
Didn’t lie, ergo didn’t “get caught.” Look back at your own posts, son. Then work on your reading comprehension.
“and when called out on it all you can respond with is some BS about bad directions. Weak dude. Just weak.”
Not my problem if your ADD is so bad that you can’t even remember what you said about ‘blog-slapping,’ son.
“(giggling) 4 times, (laughing, pointing) twice”
The more you complain, son, the more I’ll do it. (giggling)
“straight from the guy who talks about someone else going to the kid’s table. You can’t make this stuff up. Gawd that is fun-knee! Oh lordy, someone help Joe with some new material. He’s just mad he got caught in a red handed L I E !”
And then Doom woke up and realized there wasn’t actually any lie at all. (giggling)
Simply put, you asserted that E. Cat’s reply to me was a ‘blog-slap,’ but when asked to supply and substantiate his numbers, he couldn’t provide them. Ergo, no slappage. And no lie.
Too bad, Doom! (laughing, pointing)
hiram
January 23rd, 2013
9:08 am
”They oughta change Black History Month to Black Progress Month and start measuring it.”
—Rush Limbaugh
keith
January 23rd, 2013
9:09 am
Fortunately most of those aborted fetuses would grow up to support democrats. put abortion clinics on every street corner in cities like san fran, atlanta, detroit, chicago etc. the more the better. that is taxpayer dollars well spent.
Redcoat
January 23rd, 2013
9:11 am
keith is the plant for all to rally against……what a racket!
Marty Huggins'
January 23rd, 2013
9:12 am
Fred ™
January 23rd, 2013
8:53 am
Thanks always know I can count on your opinion even when it was not asked for.
I had a nice conversation with stands.
I found something to be a slight talking down to.
It was addressed to me so how you interpret it does not matter at all except in the mind of one who values their opinion waaaay took much.
Thank you for your concern though I feel much better now.
Notice I made one mention of it. Stands made one mention of it. I mentioned it he/she gave their response to it and I accepted that.
Yet 2 folks completely not involved in it have spoken as much on it as stands and I.
Obviously it wasn’t a large deal to those who were actually communicating.
Yet I am the one who needs to lighten up.
keith
January 23rd, 2013
9:12 am
i completely understand why so many blacks and hispanics voted for obama. its because they have done so well in this great economy. HAHAHAHAHAHA
Redcoat
January 23rd, 2013
9:14 am
What we have here is failure to communicate……..Obama said stop the name calling!
Marty Huggins'
January 23rd, 2013
9:16 am
Granny Godzilla
January 23rd, 2013
9:07 am
Ok,
But you called for ALL teenage boys did you not?
I did not see any clarification excluding those who do not have sex or those who are homosexual.
I think abortions can only be performed on those who are pregnant.
See how yours goes after everyone regardless of their decisions thus forcing a medical procedure regardless of need.
Redcoat
January 23rd, 2013
9:17 am
You people are not listening to the President…….he said stop it!….didn’t you hear?
Redcoat
January 23rd, 2013
9:19 am
All these messages meaning so many different things to so many different people…….confusing….
Redcoat
January 23rd, 2013
9:21 am
Who should you believe and why?………So many different versions of the same issues……is it just the way it is? or is it?
Granny Godzilla
January 23rd, 2013
9:26 am
Marty
RELAX DUDE
All boys (except of those who have fertility issues) can father a child.
All those sperms…..unintentional nocturnal emissions….and intentional self affection….
They are living. They have little tales that wiggle and propel them forward.
For every single sperm that is aborted there are millions of sperm that men recklessly abandon.
A woman guards here 30 some years worth of eggs, but men sprinkle them hither and yon.
OH the Humanity! Oh the potential humanity!
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Satire – It’s what’s for breakfast.
We must stop this!!!!