House GOP blows smoke to cover hasty retreat

As face-saving efforts go, this one’s pretty meager.

Breaking from a three-day private conference, House Republicans today acknowledged that they are retreating from their demands for major entitlement cuts in return for raising the debt ceiling. But they do have conditions.

First, they will agree to extend the debt-ceiling limit only for three months, meaning that they intend to put us through this vapid exercise time and again, a process that should do wonders for confidence in the financial markets. It’s petty gamesmanship, particularly from a party that has done so much whining about government-caused “uncertainty.”

Second, they will extend the debt ceiling further if and only if the Senate passes a budget resolution by April 15.

And if the Senate doesn’t do as the House demands by passing a legally meaningless budget resolution? Will the House retaliate by forcing a default on our national debt, pushing the economy into a likely recession?

No. It will not. And people who push such nonsense are difficult to take seriously.

Oh, and one more thing. House Republicans also propose to stop paychecks for members of Congress until such a resolution passes. It’s a nice little effort at grandstanding, except for the obnoxious fact that it is unconstitutional: “No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of representatives shall have intervened.”

Let’s also be clear about what “passing a budget” really means. Under the process, the House passes a resolution expressing its spending priorities; the Senate does likewise. Then the two resolutions are reconciled into what is known as a concurrent budget resolution and passed by both chambers.

However, a budget resolution does not actually appropriate or spend a dime of taxpayers’ money. It does not levy a penny’s worth of taxes. The document does not go to the president for his signature, and it is legally binding on neither chamber. It is worth the paper it is printed on and not much more.

Recent budget resolutions passed in the House have been exercises in fantasy, including demands for converting Medicare into a voucher program and slashing taxes for wealthier Americans. Senate leadership has concluded that it isn’t worth the time and floor debate needed to create a Senate budget when it clearly has no chance of being reconciled with the House resolution for adoption.

It’s also important to note that this is not a new situation. According to the Congressional Research Service, Congress also did not pass a concurrent budget resolution in 1998, 2002, 2004 and 2006, all years in which the GOP controlled both houses of Congress. Somehow, the Union managed to survive.

– Jay Bookman

245 comments Add your comment

Looney Bin

January 18th, 2013
2:38 pm

DebbieDoRight - The FB Player's Imaginary Girlfriend From Canada

January 18th, 2013
2:41 pm

Looney — you’re supposed to READ the article, then post. It helps…… :roll:

My imaginary boyfriend said “hi”

TBS

January 18th, 2013
2:45 pm

Let’s hope that all sides come together with a deal that does bring cuts to some degree across the board………

-Republicans caved on the tax increases.

-Enough votes in the House for the Sandy bill, despite the rhetoric, that gave the red state Senators the pork they wanted and knew they would be getting.

-Speaker barely hung on to his job…………

yeah the House has Obama right were they want him……..

DebbieDoRight - The FB Player's Imaginary Girlfriend From Canada

January 18th, 2013
2:45 pm

Jay (who is my imaginary boyfriend) says: First, they will agree to extend the debt-ceiling limit only for three months, meaning that they intend to put us through this vapid exercise time and again, a process that should do wonders for confidence in the financial markets. It’s petty gamesmanship, particularly from a party that has done so much whining about government-caused “uncertainty.”

Well Jay, (IBF for short), it at first you don’t succeed, yada, yada, yada……..

IBF: Second, they will extend the debt ceiling further if and only if the Senate passes a budget resolution by April 15.

The Senate can pass all the budgets it wants — the House handles the purse strings. Basically what the house is saying is, “I know you are, but what am I?” a la PeeWee Herman..

Logical Dude

January 18th, 2013
2:45 pm

“House Republicans also propose to stop paychecks for members of Congress until such a resolution passes. It’s a nice little effort at grandstanding, except for the obnoxious fact that it is unconstitutional: ”

Ain’t nuttin stoppin’ ‘em from just donatin’ the dough back to the deficit.

stands for decibels

January 18th, 2013
2:46 pm

House Republicans also propose to stop paychecks for members of Congress until such a resolution passes.

oy…you GOTTA be f-ckin’ kidding me…

JamVet

January 18th, 2013
2:46 pm

…slashing taxes for wealthier Americans.

You mean the evil rich?

And penalizing the producers?

And trickle up poverty?

The counterfeit conservatives are thankfully in full blown meltdown mode.

To which I say, lets throw another log on the fire!

DebbieDoRight - The FB Player's Imaginary Girlfriend From Canada

January 18th, 2013
2:47 pm

IF at first you don’t succeed! Jeesh — I guess it was just my imagination that I didn’t screw up that sentence!

Granny Godzilla

January 18th, 2013
2:49 pm

I was actualy hoping they’d hold their collective breath for thirty minutes or so….

It would be equally amusing!

stands for decibels

January 18th, 2013
2:50 pm

Jeesh — I guess it was just my imagination that I didn’t screw up that sentence!

Guess you picked the wrong week to stop sniffin’ glue.

Who is John Galt?

January 18th, 2013
2:50 pm

“I swear by my Life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for the sake of mine.”

Georgia, The " New Mississippi "

January 18th, 2013
2:51 pm

Will this satisfy their Johhny Reb voter base and the Fox News talking heads ?

clem

January 18th, 2013
2:51 pm

while i think repubs are a joke; the dems in senate need to present a budget. getting it passed may be another deal as repubs will use filibuster at drop of a hat.

barking frog

January 18th, 2013
2:52 pm

You would think the ‘markets’ would understand this BS by now, or
maybe they do.

DebbieDoRight - The FB Player's Imaginary Girlfriend From Canada

January 18th, 2013
2:53 pm

IBF: Oh, and one more thing. House Republicans also propose to stop paychecks for members of Congress until such a resolution passes.

Ha! I’d like to see that! Imagine that azz whupping they’ll take from those Senators from New York. Nu Yowk don’t play that man.

stands for decibels

January 18th, 2013
2:53 pm

Loony meth-head alert @ 2.50.

Cherokee

January 18th, 2013
2:53 pm

Thanks for the explanation of the budget process Jay. I’ve heard the cons use that as an excuse so many times – I figured it was just talking points nonsense from the right wing noise machine, but hadn’t had the time to do the research.

stands for decibels

January 18th, 2013
2:54 pm

John Galt, I hear that Ayn was like a doorknob–everyone got a turn!

DebbieDoRight - The FB Player's Imaginary Girlfriend From Canada

January 18th, 2013
2:55 pm

Guess you picked the wrong week to stop sniffin’ glue.

Hiya stands!! I’m amazed. They finally turned your sister in to glue? I figured that old nag was long gone by now….. :mrgreen:

Jay

January 18th, 2013
2:55 pm

So in the mind of John Galt and his latest admirer to post here, American heros from Nathan Hale to those who died at Normandy to Martin Luther King Jr. are merely weak, foolish individuals because they gave their lives for others.

The fact that people claim to feel proud of such selfishness is amazing to me.

Adam

January 18th, 2013
2:58 pm

CAVED.

C
A
V
E
D.

You take it, arch-conservatives! You take it and you LIKE it!

stands for decibels

January 18th, 2013
3:00 pm

I figured that old nag was long gone by now…

reminds me, was it you who with whom I’d discussed Animal Farm a coupla months back?

(ignore if this is prompting a “WTF is he talking about?” reaction…)

dbm

January 18th, 2013
3:00 pm

stands for decibels

January 18th, 2013
2:53 pm

Are you saying that having an amphetamine prescription back in the day is equivalent to being a meth amphetamine addict now? How carefully have you checked this?

Or did you just decide you had a chance to perpetrate some cheap “humor”?

Mr. Snarky

January 18th, 2013
3:01 pm

House Repubs are pathetic chumps. 3 months reprieve? Please.

robert goulet

January 18th, 2013
3:01 pm

stands for decibels–stay classy!

jm

January 18th, 2013
3:01 pm

sfd 2:33 (downstairs) fully agreed

DebbieDoRight - The FB Player's Imaginary Girlfriend From Canada

January 18th, 2013
3:02 pm

Crap IBF’s here. I want to formally apologize to stands for anything I may or may not have inferred about his character or the characters of any of his imaginary friends and/or acquaintances. I’m sincerely chastised and contrite and I feel awful for even suggesting that stands is a small minded, small d###, evil megalomaniac. It was just my insane hyper-competitive nature that makes me do these things. I’m a very bad girl. I am trying however to redeem my ways. Please accept my apologies. :oops:

M.C.

January 18th, 2013
3:02 pm

And PrezBO wants the debt ceiling raised without conditions. He specifically mentioned cuts to federal spending.

“The president says he will not negotiate on cutting spending as part of raising the debt ceiling, but he voted against raising the debt ceiling as a United States senator, saying that to increase the debt ceiling constituted ‘a sign of leadership failure,’ ” said Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers, R-Wash, the chairwoman of the House Republican Conference.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/01/14/2607597/obama-to-congress-raise-debt-ceiling.html#storylink=cpy

to increase the debt ceiling constituted ‘a sign of leadership failure

I’m taking PrezBo’s word for it.

JamVet

January 18th, 2013
3:02 pm

Kyle must be on a bender and andy, tibby and lil bb damn near despondent by now.

The perverted Randians were merely the foundation for the Reagan Doctrine, “Screw everybody else, I got mine.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GLpO-OvJU74

moonbat betty

January 18th, 2013
3:02 pm

I think the liberals have been hitting the hot sauce in here again.

I just don't get...

January 18th, 2013
3:03 pm

…why someone as smart as you, Jay, has not commented on the Dems failure to broach any sort of commentary on reducing spending – I fully understand that raising the debt ceiling needs ot be done, and that the raising of some tax rates MAY provide minimal money to give to the moochers, yet I cannot, for the life of me, understand by you and those who support your views continue to stonewall some sort of reduction in the out of control spending by BOTH parties…

Everything written in this paper and on these sites points to this as the major problem with the US’ economy, yet you and most of your readers offer no solutions other than to call the Repubs name and place blame with them, though they do share a significant blame for contributing to this mess in which we find our economy…

moonbat betty

January 18th, 2013
3:04 pm

and JamVet has been handling guns.

Adam

January 18th, 2013
3:04 pm

M.C.: And PrezBO wants the debt ceiling raised without conditions

Which is exactly what he is getting.

DebbieDoRight - The FB Player's Imaginary Girlfriend From Canada

January 18th, 2013
3:04 pm

stands – yes, it was me. One of the best, and most prophetic books, (besides 1984), written by Orwell. IMO.

Who is John Galt?

January 18th, 2013
3:04 pm

Thanks for jumping on that Jay I just wanted the uninformed cons and on this blog to know what the Republican party really stands for.

jm

January 18th, 2013
3:04 pm

war’s not over

if Obama doesn’t agree to cut spending, he’ll do nothing other than deal with debt ceilings and budgets for the next two years

dbm

January 18th, 2013
3:05 pm

Jay

January 18th, 2013
2:55 pm

You are grossly oversimplifying. For one thing, it is in a person’s self-interest to resist authoritarianism.

stands for decibels

January 18th, 2013
3:05 pm

stands for decibels–stay classy!

I hear Ayn was like a protractor; she was good at any angle.

Brosephus™

January 18th, 2013
3:05 pm

Dead threaded, but I’ll post up here too because I think the words are well needed here.

They think they are being cute and funny. But they are only exposing themselves for as the ignorant fu*ks they are. Now, I call them ignorant fu*ks and not products of their environment because there comes a time in everyone’s life when we get to choose how to travel down life’s path. We can choose to travel with an open mind to nurture a life of change and growth though new information, or we can choose to travel with our heads up our ass in fear. Sometimes, an enlightened path is chosen after people spend years inside their own anuses. Something happens, they emerge, and they choose to be decent human beings. And some learn nothing from life experience and maintain an existence of ignorant fu*kery that would insult a caveman.

Sometimes it takes a woman to call things as the truth they are. Those words could be used to accurately describe a few posters here. We all know who the caveman insulters are too. Hat tip to the Rude Pundit for allowing a guest poster who spoke the truth.

Gale

January 18th, 2013
3:05 pm

If the budget is such a joke, why is there so much noise about it? It is all just to distract the populace and try to make the other side look bad? What a bunch of do nothings.

Adam

January 18th, 2013
3:06 pm

jm: [Obama will] do nothing other than deal with debt ceilings and budgets for the next two years

$100 bet?

stands for decibels

January 18th, 2013
3:06 pm

DDR, Ok, then.

I guess I had a point about Boxer getting sent to the glue factory, but now I forgot what it was. Too busy coming up with farm-fresh Ayn Rand jokes.

jm

January 18th, 2013
3:06 pm

Ray Nagin indicted

about time

In the middle

January 18th, 2013
3:07 pm

You are just exhausting. Let me compose every article and opinion piece you will need for the rest of your life..Republican bad, Democrat good. Everything republican fault. It is good to hate republican Me no like republican Me like democrat.

Any chance you can completely break away from ideology to, offer a solution other than to hate people that aren’t carbon copies of you…

Adam

January 18th, 2013
3:07 pm

dbm: You are grossly oversimplifying. For one thing, it is in a person’s self-interest to resist authoritarianism.

Anyone else see the irony in this? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Cherokee

January 18th, 2013
3:08 pm

Actually, no, I just. Stock market at record highs, T bills yielding less than the rate of inflation because people all over the world know that the US is a safe place.

Slashing spending is NOT the answer – growing the economy is.

stands for decibels

January 18th, 2013
3:08 pm

If the budget is such a joke, why is there so much noise about it?

Same reason there’s so much noise about the “debt crisis.” People aren’t smart enough to understand they’re getting played by corporate media.

Sorry if that sounds a bit tinfoil-hatty, but it’s the truth. Combination of laziness from the Press Corpse, and mendacity from their overlords.

East Lake Ira

January 18th, 2013
3:08 pm

Sweet.

The GOP will play hostage taking terrorist every three months till the mid-terms and it’ll be great.

Thanks for the House!

Idiots.

Nduka

January 18th, 2013
3:09 pm

The House R’s are on the ropes, which is too bad because the free-spending D’s really do need a counterbalance. History teaches that it’s never good when either party has too much power.

DwayneL

January 18th, 2013
3:09 pm

So you’re ok with this congress not passing a budget since this clown was elected president?

Adam

January 18th, 2013
3:10 pm

jm@3:06p, agreed

dbm

January 18th, 2013
3:10 pm

JamVet

January 18th, 2013
3:02 pm

“Screw everybody else” is very different from rational self-interest.

The rationally self-interested approach to dealings with others is that of the trader. A trader seeks to exchange value for value. A trader neither makes nor seeks sacrifices. (By “sacrifice”, I mean giving up a greater value for a lesser value, or a value for a non-value.)

Doggone/GA

January 18th, 2013
3:10 pm

“Second, they will extend the debt ceiling further if and only if the Senate passes a budget resolution by April 15.”

Personally, I think the Senate should take this opportunity to pass as obnoxious a budget as they can come up with. What’s it gonna hurt, since it isn’t binding anyway? But it SURE will annoy the hell out of the House R’s

SoGAVet

January 18th, 2013
3:10 pm

What?!? Republicans would advocate violating the Constitution? The next thing you know, they’ll be claiming the 2d Amendment is inviolable!!

Granny Godzilla

January 18th, 2013
3:10 pm

I just don’t get…

January 18th, 2013
3:03 pm
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Obviously.

barking frog

January 18th, 2013
3:10 pm

Debbie Do
I’m a very bad girl
……………………………………………
do you need a spanking ?

Cherokee

January 18th, 2013
3:11 pm

Making fun of the clown show that is the House Republican party is ‘hate’?

Wow….

stands for decibels

January 18th, 2013
3:11 pm

jm

January 18th, 2013
3:11 pm

Adam:

I’ll bet you unless he passes spending cuts, then neither of the following will happen:

1. Immigration reform, unless its the Republican / Rubio plan
2. Climate change legislation

In the next two years.

moonbat betty

January 18th, 2013
3:11 pm

We don’t need to go by a stupid budget.

Budgets are for losers and wimps.

We be big pimpin!

Just keep raising the debt ceiling and we’ll always have money.

Money for everyone!

Gobama!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4VPRYuPNE4

UNCLE SAMANTHA

January 18th, 2013
3:11 pm

FALCONS RISE UP

Adam

January 18th, 2013
3:13 pm

Doggone: I think they should pass what they want to have happen with the budget. It’s not a negotiation, and it meets the requirements, and it’s obnoxious enough that they won’t turn Medicare and SS into private programs apparently so they might as well give out the reasonable good budget and show everyone that the House Elected Republicans (hi Fred!) really are WHACKO.

DebbieDoRight - The FB Player's Imaginary Girlfriend From Canada

January 18th, 2013
3:13 pm

stands: Too busy coming up with farm-fresh Ayn Rand jokes.

Ha! Funny! :lol: :lol:

But, in retrospect, Ayn played the biggest “PUNKED” game there was. She wrote a bunch of rambling bullcrap, mostly when she was high, about not taking from the government, etc.; yet she ended her life as a government baby on the teat!

And how was the Punked Prank Played? She got a whole bunch of idiots following her every words! I bet she’s rolling around in hell right now getting a good laugh outta that one.

East Lake Ira

January 18th, 2013
3:13 pm

Jay – according to Iglesias (sp?) borrowing costs for the feds are negative, meaning there is no real cost/interest on new loans/bonds.

Shouldn’t we then borrow as much as we can and invest in the US via new infrastructure etc?

I know the cons will blow a gasket but…

JamVet

January 18th, 2013
3:13 pm

betty,

This is my rifle, this is my gun
One is for killing, the other’s for fun

Brosephus™

January 18th, 2013
3:14 pm

Adam

January 18th, 2013
3:14 pm

FALCONS RISE UP

GO 49ERS!

moonbat betty

January 18th, 2013
3:14 pm

“FALCONS RISE UP”

Yeah.

It’s Fal-cons – Superbowl champions.

Not Fal-libs.

So pbbbbb.

Adam

January 18th, 2013
3:15 pm

jm: I’ll bet you neither of those things happen regardless

Boris Badnoff

January 18th, 2013
3:15 pm

Alas there is a problem for liberals, progressives, generic do-gooders, and other deep thinkers. If the debt ceiling is raised to google to the google there will be limit to spending. Money will have to be printed as fast as ink goes on paper. That means trees will have to be cut down. The home provided by Mother Gaia for birds, squirrels, insects, and moss will destroyed. Global warming will be exacerbated by the loss of cooling shade. There’s always something.

Just Saying..

January 18th, 2013
3:15 pm

Jay, can we get an over/under for House-set debt ceiling deadlines? Maybe use 33 Obamacare votes as a goal?

I just don't get...

January 18th, 2013
3:16 pm

…so Granny, please explain – it appears that you cannot do that…at least I admitted that I don’t get it and all you can say is “obviously” – seems like you don’t get it either…

jm

January 18th, 2013
3:16 pm

Adam

” I’ll bet you neither of those things happen regardless”

that doesn’t leave much to wager on. oh well

dbm

January 18th, 2013
3:17 pm

Adam

January 18th, 2013
3:07 pm

If you are accusing Ayn Rand and/or me of oversimplifying and/or authoritarianism, how about an example?

moonbat betty

January 18th, 2013
3:17 pm

“This is my rifle, this is my gun”

Did you give it a name?

stands for decibels

January 18th, 2013
3:17 pm

so they might as well give out the reasonable good budget

There’s a perfectly good one right ’round here:

http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/CPC%20Budget%20One-Pager%20FINAL.pdf

(one page summary)

jm

January 18th, 2013
3:18 pm

UNCLE SAMANTHA

January 18th, 2013
3:18 pm

49ers GO BUST

Jay

January 18th, 2013
3:19 pm

Nduka, I agree about the need for an effective counter-balance. I also agree with “I just don’t get…” a bit earlier about the need to control spending, although his/her use of the word “moochers” suggests that we see things a little differently.

I think what we’re seeing is an effort to drag the GOP into an understanding of what a realistic deal might look like before that deal is cut. Entitlements will be adjusted, but we’re not going to turn Medicare into a private voucher program, and we’re not going to cut Medicare by 40 percent, as some in the GOP would like to fantasize.

Obama plays a long game.

Erwin's cat

January 18th, 2013
3:20 pm

Adam – M.C.: And PrezBO wants the debt ceiling raised without conditions

Which is exactly what he is getting.

as it should be!…i’m not even sure why there is such a thing as a debt ceiling..

Erwin's cat

January 18th, 2013
3:22 pm

GO 49ERS

Band-wagoners! :roll:

UNCLE SAMANTHA

January 18th, 2013
3:22 pm

2.6% of all murders are committed using any type of rifle

yet liberals are obsessed with assault rifles

displaced RAGE

misplaced LOGIC

JamVet

January 18th, 2013
3:22 pm

dbm, ethical egoism, the basis of that woman’s philosophy, is one that I find a multitude of significant problems with.

It also can lead to very unpleasant conclusions, such as choosing not to intervene in a crime against another. Egoists have difficulty judging anything that does not deal with themselves, which is one reason why ethical egoism is so impractical for people who are very aware of the world. The very legitimacy of the theory is often called into question because it prevents its own adherents from taking reasonable stances on major political and social issues and cannot in itself solve these issues.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ethical_egoism

Rand goes as far as to cast selfishness as a virtue and altruism as the height of foolishness. In a way, it could be seen that Rand is advocating that people act like psychopaths.

http://blog.talkingphilosophy.com/?p=2856

M.C.

January 18th, 2013
3:23 pm

Shared thoughts from the comment section @ news observer.com

I will asked a simple question. Is this the same president that said that he would not raise taxes on anyone making less than 250K a year? Have those of you that work for a living checked your paycheck out yet this year? You will find it 2% short because the Senate brokered deal with Obama’s approval did not continue the SS payroll employee tax reduction. Could a liberal out there explain how it was the Republican Congress that was going to raise taxes on everyone to protect the rich and now Obama should not be held accountable for not protecting the poor working man when he signed a law that did not include a continuation of the SS tax reduction? When the Republicans wanted everyone to keep the Bush tax cuts, Obama said that they will tax the middle class and poor to protect the rich —- well Obama DID allow the working man’s taxes to increase by 2% and everyone who gets a pay check should hold him accountable. When will the media tell the full story?

This is also the same president who said the Bush tax cuts are what put our budget deficit in the ditch, yet he just signed a bill making them permanent for 99% of Americans. So he signed what was effectively a short-term tax increase which hurt people in a recession, while making permanent long-term tax cuts which by his own admission will make it difficult to balance he budget.

Some leftists get it, some don’t.

Gale

January 18th, 2013
3:24 pm

Stands, thanks for posting the link.

Cherokee

January 18th, 2013
3:25 pm

East Lake IRA

“Shouldn’t we then borrow as much as we can and invest in the US via new infrastructure etc?”

Any smart businessman would do that.

dbm

January 18th, 2013
3:25 pm

DebbieDoRight – The FB Player’s Imaginary Girlfriend From Canada

January 18th, 2013
3:13 pm

I’m sorry you’re unable to properly appreciate Ayn Rand.

You are misrepresenting her position. She said that we should not use government to redistribute wealth or to otherwise aggress. She also said that if a person leading a basically productive life is offered something by the government, they should take it. One reason for this is that government takes a lot more away from productive people than it ever gives back to them.

The one thing a person who understands these issues must not do is sell their soul by voting or advocating for wrongful government programs or policies.

JamVet

January 18th, 2013
3:26 pm

betty, without giving away too many details, my nickname in high school was tripod. (LOL at me and my juvenile sense of humor!)

DebbieDoRight - The FB Player's Imaginary Girlfriend From Canada

January 18th, 2013
3:26 pm

Republican bad, Democrat good…………Me no like republican Me like democrat.

Bizarro say: Me no like repugcan either. Me like Dem too.
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SoCoBro — Hey Bro – was thinking about your family the other day. How are they doing? Are they getting over the flu? Oh and how are you too?
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moonbat: We don’t need to go by a stupid budget. Budgets are for losers and wimps.
We be big pimpin!

Moonbat, are you chanelling your imaginary rapper boyfriend again? Big ups Moonie!
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jm: In the next two years.

So, the answer to that problem is just to wait the do-nothing-repugs out; and in 2 years we can get rid of them, (unfortunately the ones from the South will be around forever).

Living With Open Eyes

January 18th, 2013
3:26 pm

I’m a liberal and I don’t believe that it is unreasonable for the Senate to have a tentative budget by April 15. 50 Senators, each with staffs of at least 10 aides and interns, should be able to come up with a budget in the same time I’m required to prepare my 1040 and pay my taxes AND work a job.

Cherokee

January 18th, 2013
3:27 pm

too funny dbm

so it’s okay to take money from the government, as long as you don’t vote for the politician who offers it to you?

you;’re kidding, right???

Mad Max

January 18th, 2013
3:28 pm

The Senate has not passed a budget in 4 years because Harry Reid does not want to expose the divisions within the Democratic party regarding Obama’s programs. A Senate budget would expose to the nation how the Obama/Reid/Pelosi team would spend money. They will avoid this exposure at all cost because they don’t want the American public to realize how irresponsible they been with spending. Thus, the Reid Senate does NOTHING. This forces the attention on Congress and parlays quite nicely into the Obama strategy of embarrassing the GOP rather than actually accomplishing anything. On Monday, Obama claimed tha thte GOP wanted to take the food out of children’s mouths. Nice way to start a second term. All of this is on display in a compliant media including this blog on a daily basis. It is time for Obama to start accepting responsibility for his own actions because after all, he got re-elected. He owns Obamacare (Ga. health care premiums going up 100%), Dodd-Frank (40% of all mortgages originated by Wells Fargo and insolvent Fed. housing agencies), and the bills are going to be passed on to me and you. The Obama administration is all about self-perpetuation and control. They don’t care if they ever get anything accomplished as long as they can stay on the payroll.

Redcoat

January 18th, 2013
3:30 pm

Meanwhile the taxpayers will be taking a 12 billion dollar hit from GM share sales……..it’s only somebody’s else money, that hasn’t even been born yet……no problem!

Gale

January 18th, 2013
3:31 pm

What we need more of in America is enlightened self interest, aka compassion. You want to complain that your SS tax went back up 2% ? It never should have been reduced. We hear complaints that SS is short on money because people live longer. When then did we ever think it was a good idea to reduce the funds going into SS? Personally, I want to see everyone’s grandparents and great-grandparents living in security and comfort. I never really expected SS to be around when I retire, I am surprised that it may be. But because I didn’t expect it, I have been planning retirement for many years. Even so, many people have savings blown away by financial disasters out of their control. SS should be there to help. 2% is a pittance.

Fred ™

January 18th, 2013
3:31 pm

dbm

January 18th, 2013
3:25 pm

DebbieDoRight – The FB Player’s Imaginary Girlfriend From Canada

January 18th, 2013
3:13 pm

I’m sorry you’re unable to properly appreciate Ayn Rand.
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What is to appreciate about a loser drug addict meth ho who lived off the donations of others? She screwed anyone she could talk into it and would give her money. You’re damn right I don’t “appreciate” her. She was complete gutter scum

Why do you looney tunes love drug addicts who screw everything in sight so much? Ayn Rand the meth ho and Rush Limbaugh the oxy freak are your two biggest gods. Neither one has the intellect of a field mouse.

Appreciate THAT.

moonbat betty

January 18th, 2013
3:32 pm

Who would Obama root for – the Falcons or the Gold Diggers?

$100 says the Gold Diggers.

josef

January 18th, 2013
3:32 pm

Not even to the end of the first page and already veered way off topic, not that that’s such a bad thing. I’m glad I’m not the only one who’s bored to tears by the same old same old day in and day out Guns, GOP and budget…there’s gotta be more to life…

Redcoat

January 18th, 2013
3:32 pm

Adam

January 18th, 2013
3:32 pm

dbm: If you are accusing Ayn Rand and/or me of oversimplifying and/or authoritarianism, how about an example?

By comparing the current U.S. government to authoritarianism, you have, at best, engaged in oversimplification. You also happen to be wrong, but that’s besides the irony point.

DownInAlbany

January 18th, 2013
3:32 pm

I don’t give a rats behind who “caved” or who “retreats.” Obama got the increased taxes that he wanted. When in the heck are we going to see the “balanced” approach that gets thrown around? Both parties grandstand, that’s not news. WE, as a nation are over $16 TRILLION in debt with no plan to even slow the borrowing down. When we will see real leadership? IMO, neither side has at this point. I don’t care if the dems or pugs “win.” That’s not what it should be about. I just want some common sense returned (if there ever was any) to our federal government. To hell with the process of who does what. Quit towing the respective party line and do what’s best for us now and in the future. As far as I’m concerned they both suck!

Do I have the answers? Do you? Don’t be ridiculous…neither of us does. All this partisan bullspit is just that. Bullspit is bullspit, regardless of which bull it come out of.