GOP leaders moonwalk away from debt-ceiling Armageddon
Slowly, painfully, political reality has begun to dawn on Washington Republicans and their supporters: If they force a major battle over the debt ceiling — a battle that they have acted oh-so-eager to fight — they are guaranteed to lose, and to lose badly.
Such a battle would be fought against superior forces, and on ill-chosen ground. The president’s approval rating are consistently above 50 percent; Congress has an approval rating of 14 percent. While Republicans still hold the House majority, they lost seats in the 2012 election and acknowledge that they held onto the majority only because of gerrymandering. Majorities of Republican voters reject key proponents of the GOP agenda, including cuts to Social Security and Medicare. In fact, 63 percent of GOP voters say the congressional GOP is out of touch. (That’s a Rasmussen number, by the way.)
And according to a new AP poll, 80 percent of Americans say that refusing to raise the debt ceiling, as House and Senate Republicans have promised to do, would touch off a major economic crisis.
Under those circumstances, threatening to force that major economic crisis unless the president implements politically unpopular policies would be the act of a fool. And fools there no doubt be.
However, a handful of Republican senators have now publicly acknowledged that the party would lose and lose badly by threatening to shut down the government. U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan, chair of the House Budget Committee, warned his fellow GOP congressmen at a retreat yesterday that their strategy has to match their capability.
As Politico described his remarks:
“Ryan said Republicans need to come to grips with the fact that they are the only Republicans in power in Washington. In the closed legislative strategy session, he said the GOP should avoid over-promising and under-delivering, according to five sources present. Instead, House Republicans should work to control expectations about what they can extract from Obama, and then people will be pleased by the result.”
The usually bellicose Charles Krauthammer is also a bit of a bellwether. He has been egging the Republicans on for weeks now, pushing them to do battle. (”If we all cliff-dive, Obama gets to preside over yet another recession. It will wreck his second term… You think he wants a second term with a double-dip recession, 9 percent unemployment and a totally gridlocked Congress? Republicans have to stop playing as if they have no cards.”)
Now, even Krauthammer wants to back down from a fight that he suddenly sees can only end badly. “The party establishment,” he writes, “is coming around to the view that if you try to govern from one house — e.g., force spending cuts with cliffhanging brinkmanship — you lose. You not only don’t get the cuts. You get the blame for rattled markets and economic uncertainty. You get humiliated by having to cave in the end. And you get opinion polls ranking you below head lice and colonoscopies in popularity.”
What’s going on here? Why this sudden outburst of strategic sanity? I think the great Samuel Johnson put it best:
“Depend upon it, sir, when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully.”
– Jay Bookman
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Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 18th, 2013
8:51 am
Good news for the country but unfortunately there are tough battles to come
vinny
January 18th, 2013
8:52 am
Meanwhile, obama has no solutions to the debt crisis and is allowed to continue to spend, spend, spend.
A hollow victory, indeed. America loses when obama is in office.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 18th, 2013
8:54 am
And there with Vinny’s post we have the continued disconnect with reality.
Doggone/GA
January 18th, 2013
8:58 am
“Meanwhile, obama has no solutions to the debt crisis and is allowed to continue to spend, spend, spend”
Mean while, Congress has no solutions to the debt crisis and continues to allocate money to spend, spend, spend. Put the blame where it BELONGS.
vinny
January 18th, 2013
8:58 am
The disconnect with reality is a ‘president’ that states that we don’t have a spending problem. He’s absolutely clueless as to how to lead a country. He’s a little boy in a mans body that throws temper tantrums when people disagree with his inane policies that are destroying this country.
vinny
January 18th, 2013
9:00 am
damned if they do, damned if they don’t.; You betwetting liberals are amazing. You complain when congress fights raising the debt ceiling, and then you turn around and point the finger when they go along with it.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 18th, 2013
9:01 am
Vinny, the President can’t spend a red cent that Congress doesn’t LET him spend.
larry
January 18th, 2013
9:02 am
When did the President say we dont have a spending problem? Why do the republicans only care about the debt when a Democrat is in the White House?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 18th, 2013
9:02 am
Vinny, you’re flailing and resorting to childishness now. In fact, Obama has led this country on a number of fronts given a very dysfunctional congress and a dysfunctional republican party. Given his 2 elections by a majority of voters, you, as are many of the base Republicans, are the one having a temper tantrum.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 18th, 2013
9:03 am
Vinny — “damned if they do, damned if they don’t.; You betwetting liberals are amazing.”
Reality’s kind of amazing too, once you let it into your life and start dealing with it.
Give it a try. Wake up to the reality that *both* Congress and the President (and not just any *one* President) share the blame in this. It’s not an either-or kind of zero-sum game.
Doggone/GA
January 18th, 2013
9:03 am
“The disconnect with reality is a ‘president’ that states that we don’t have a spending problem.”
The disconnect with reality is a “congress” that won’t recognize we have an INCOME AND SPENDING proglem.
” He’s absolutely clueless as to how to lead a country”
They’re absolutely clueless as to how to lead a country
“He’s a little boy in a mans body that throws temper tantrums when people disagree with his inane policies that are destroying this country”
They’re little boys in mens bodies that throw temper tantrums when people disagree with their inane policies that are destroying this country.
Put the blame WHERE IT BELONGS.
F. Sinkwich
January 18th, 2013
9:04 am
Another disgraceful performance by O’bozo and the Can Kickers, yet Jay and his Kommie Kludge rise up with the standing O.
RIP USA 1776-2012
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 18th, 2013
9:06 am
How many times will the “unskewed” death of USA be claimed by our drama queens?
Butch Cassidy (I)
January 18th, 2013
9:09 am
vinny – “A hollow victory, indeed. America loses when obama is in office.”
Yes, it’s unfortunate that when you had a chance to remove him, your party put Romney up instead.
TaxPayer
January 18th, 2013
9:10 am
In short (yes, a pun directed at the failings of the Republican’s testosterone enhancement attempts below), Republicans continue to lose to President Obama. Then again, I expected no less from them.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 18th, 2013
9:11 am
KUTGF — “How many times will the “unskewed” death of USA be claimed by our drama queens?”
I believe they have to wear black and stay in mourning for at least a year. Then they can go out in public again and are permitted to receive guests and entertain suitors.
Christian Conservative
January 18th, 2013
9:11 am
As they should Jay! Lets shut it down!!!! What good would it do for the GOP to cave. You and the rest of the so called media will blame the GOP for whatever happens anyway….
Butch Cassidy (I)
January 18th, 2013
9:11 am
vinny – “He’s a little boy in a mans body that throws temper tantrums when people disagree with his inane policies that are destroying this country.”
So what your saying is that your elected leaders in your party can’t control the temper tantrums of a little boy? Wow, no wonder you guys lost.
Ronald Reagan Parkway
January 18th, 2013
9:11 am
If the Republicans want to know how it feels to shut down the government, ask Newt Gingrich…it did not work out too well then and will not work out now!
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 18th, 2013
9:11 am
Regardless, you can only cry wolf so many times. Dysfunction resulting from lack of presidential and congressional leadership..big surprise.
I say let’s keep the credit limit where it is for a couple months. As Jay quoted, that will be the real focus of all of us to face reality. We spend 40% more than we collect.
How much debt is too much?
JamVet
January 18th, 2013
9:12 am
These blithering fools in the All White GOP actually think that the people of this country are just going to let the quasi-fascists right back into a position of power.
Ain’t no way in hell.
Talk about baggage!
Their draft-dodging hero W, and his even more gutless sidekick Dick, KILLED them and their insanely incompetent neocon movement.
DEAD.
They will be damn lucky to see the inside of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue for another decade or more.
RIP Sink & the Lunatic Fringe, 1980 – 2008.
Simple Truths
January 18th, 2013
9:12 am
Skewed polls!!
Just wanted to get that out of the way.
The "Real" Mitt Romney, who was he?
January 18th, 2013
9:14 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxch-yi14BE
Butch Cassidy (I)
January 18th, 2013
9:14 am
F. Sinkwich – “Another disgraceful performance by O’bozo and the Can Kickers”
If by “disgraceful performance” you mean eating the GOPs lunch once again, than I guess your right.
mae brown
January 18th, 2013
9:16 am
Jay gives the sane among us continued hope in the midst of congressional stupidity….He is outspoken w/out crass and crude comments…thanks Jay and the AJC…..
Simple Truths
January 18th, 2013
9:16 am
We’re broke. Jay has a great idea: let’s go out and borrow more money.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 18th, 2013
9:16 am
Another example of how our elected self serving dolts care only for futhering their career political professional quest.
What happens when you start borrowing to pay the interest on your debt?
Many of you think this is just fine and that on amount of total debt or debt service is a problem. When this bites us in the rear, during our lifetime, we will all wish someone would have stones to make a tough decision. Set a cap of say 25 trillion or a corresponding amount of annual interest, and see exactly how quickly we get there..great strategy for GOP..The dopes should give the other dopes exactly what they want..Terrific and simple metric for President Trillions..
alex
January 18th, 2013
9:17 am
learning from past mistakes, wonderful, progress, be happy for it.. moving on to tackle govt give rampant govt give aways…Debt celing attacks have been widely vetted and would not help anyone. A positive atmosphere, Jay, rejoice in it, don’t act like a petulant child….
DannyX
January 18th, 2013
9:17 am
“Yes, it’s unfortunate that when you had a chance to remove him, your party put Romney up instead.”
Disconnect from reality, otherwise known as the 2012 Republican candidates…Santorum, Bachmann, Newt, Cain, Perry, and Romney.
The summer of disconnect… Republicans, their candidates, and the conservative media.
DownInAlbany
January 18th, 2013
9:17 am
Armageddon? Dang strong words, but, the doomsday preppers (of which I am NOT one, and find it a bit comical myself) are the loons?
Butch Cassidy (I)
January 18th, 2013
9:17 am
Simple Truths – “We’re broke. Jay has a great idea: let’s go out and borrow more money.”
Apparently Congress agrees, since it looks like their not going to put up a fight.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 18th, 2013
9:18 am
B. Cassidy — “you mean eating the GOPs lunch”
Not I. My doctors have me on a strict no-s**t-sandwiches diet.
Aquagirl
January 18th, 2013
9:18 am
What good would it do for the GOP to cave. You and the rest of the so called media will blame the GOP for whatever happens anyway….
So what actually HAPPENS isn’t as important as who gets the blame. Thanks for the honesty Christian Conservative.
M.C.
January 18th, 2013
9:18 am
As of January 18, 2013.
The more prudent course would be to find some offer that cannot be refused, a short-term trade-off utterly unassailable and straightforward. For example, offer to extend the debt ceiling through, say, May 1, in exchange for the Senate delivering a budget by that date — after four years of lawlessly refusing to produce one.
Not much. But it would (a) highlight the Democrats’ fiscal recklessness, (b) force Senate Democrats to make public their fiscal choices and (c) keep the debt ceiling alive as an ongoing pressure point for future incremental demands.
Go small and simple. Forget about forcing tax reform or entitlement cuts or anything major. If Obama wants to recklessly expand government, well, as he says, he won the election.
Republicans should simply block what they can. Further tax hikes, for example. The general rule is: From a single house of Congress you can resist but you cannot impose.–Charles Krauthammer
Cosby
January 18th, 2013
9:19 am
So Jay, The indebtedness of this country rides on popular opinion and not on sound economic basis. Lets see, the dumb masses want the debt to increase but has no clue how to pay for it. yea, Jay, keep laughing, but when the bill comes, just how the hell are you going to pay for it? Time for some guts in DC, cut spending, live within the means of the country and get it on sound economic footing..but wait, the dumb masses will not like the pain associated with that so lets go borrow some more money so I can retain my elite position…dumbest thing I have ever seen…wonder what the real pain is going to be when the house of cards come crashing down…and it will be sooner than later…ahh…Obama the annoited one – ready to RULE from day one…Harry, Nancy, Obama, the three stooges that will go down in history causing The Destruction of a Nation and supported by the dumb masses!!
Sad so sad
TaxPayer
January 18th, 2013
9:19 am
Lettuce us not forget that the Koch crooks have also come out of the closet to tell the cons that their threats to refuse to raise the debt ceiling is nothing short of stoopid. Then again…
Mick
January 18th, 2013
9:20 am
sink
Welcome to the real america, not your fantacized version of bushworld…
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 18th, 2013
9:20 am
Butch Cassidy (I)
January 18th, 2013
9:14 am
Anyone who is more interesting in assigning blame has fallen into the trap that our politicians have set for us. Keeps the focus off the real issue that we can’t sustain this path and, as all economists (only thing we know for sure is that none of them are correct (within an acceptable level of confidence) yet all say that at some point (they wont say how much because they are all political)this will be a problem.
How about we stop borrowing when interest expense (minimum payment no pricipal) equals half our reciepts?
MiltonMan
January 18th, 2013
9:20 am
Congress at 14% approval = House & Senate; one controlled by the reps; one by the dems but don’t let that interrupt your constant rep bashing Jay. Also the crappy Bushie Jr. had a 52% approval rating going into his 2nd term. Also, no mention that Obama thought raising the debt limit was irresponsible when Bushie Jr. was president????
Butch Cassidy (I)
January 18th, 2013
9:21 am
Cosby – “The Destruction of a Nation and supported by the dumb masses!!”
Now is that a nice thing to say about your GOP majority Congress?
DownInAlbany
January 18th, 2013
9:22 am
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 18th, 2013
9:02 am
In fact, Obama has led this country on a number of fronts given a very dysfunctional congress and a dysfunctional republican party.
Yeah, how’s this for a “laser-like focus on jobs…”?
http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2013/01/obama-jobs-council-hits-year-without-official-meeting-154524.html
Welcome to the Occupation
January 18th, 2013
9:22 am
Well, ok, but what about the sequester? Is this not really a matter of a slight shift in focus towards the sequester instead of the debt ceiling per se?
In the middle
January 18th, 2013
9:22 am
The moral of the story is. Do the kings bidding or he will destroy you. Long live the king. All hail king Obama
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 18th, 2013
9:23 am
Cosby
January 18th, 2013
9:19 am
Well said. The DEMS are too betrothen to the takers and the GOP is too betrothen to the large contributors. Too bad BO lovers keep the bar low by using Bush at the key benchmark instead of using Clinton as the key benchmark.
barking frog
January 18th, 2013
9:23 am
The House of Representatives need only do it’s job.
Itchy Finger
January 18th, 2013
9:23 am
We have to stop the madness… Hopefully the GOP will grow a pair and let this reckless out of control govmint default….
Moderate Line
January 18th, 2013
9:23 am
In this whole debate what is interesting is how the Republicans are doing exactly what Obama did in the past which is play politics with the debt ceiling. It is interesting to see Jay accuse Romney of being a flip flopper when Obama was a big flip flopper on this issue.
In Obama’s own words:
The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.
Road Scholar
January 18th, 2013
9:24 am
F Sink: RIP USA 1776-2012
We have been reborn! Rise Up! Its’ 2013 now , Frank,so we must have been reborn in his mind!
Butch Cassidy (I)
January 18th, 2013
9:24 am
MiltonMan – “but don’t let that interrupt your constant rep bashing ”
So the GOP once again tuck their tails between their legs and capitulate to Obama and it’s “rep bashing” by Jay? Gotcha.
TBS
January 18th, 2013
9:25 am
Cosby
Boortz called and asked if you could at least wait until he is off the air to start using his lines…
Jm
January 18th, 2013
9:26 am
Will be interesting to see how this plays out
Yes America, this is your President. From politico:
“Obama Jobs Council hits 1 year without official meeting
By JOSH GERSTEIN | 01/18/2013 12:11 AM EST | Updated: 01/18/2013 01:05 AM EST
President Barack Obama’s Jobs Council hit a notable milestone on Thursday: one year without an official meeting. The 26-member panel is also set to expire at the end of the month, unless Obama extends its tenure.
The group, formally known as the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, last convened on Jan. 17, 2012 for a White House session where it presented formal recommendations to Obama. It was the panel’s fourth official meeting since it was created in early 2011.
A spokesman for Jobs Council chairman Jeffrey Immelt, who’s the CEO of General Electric, referred questions about the panel’s future to the White House.
A White House spokeswoman had no comment Thursday.”
Butch Cassidy (I)
January 18th, 2013
9:27 am
DownInAlbany -”Yeah, how’s this for a “laser-like focus on jobs…”?”
Translation: My party is collapsing under the weight of a President that was supposed to be able to be beaten by Elmer Fudd, so I will now go off topic in the hope that we can deviate from the main platform.
East Lake Ira
January 18th, 2013
9:27 am
Nice to see the Cons have fully embraced their racism.
Well done Vinny.
You are a shining example of what the GOP is really all about.
Butch Cassidy (I)
January 18th, 2013
9:28 am
Stevie Ray – “the GOP is too betrothen to the large contributors.”
I do give them credit for having the sense to listen to their monied masters. Kudos!
Jm
January 18th, 2013
9:28 am
Good quote
JamVet
January 18th, 2013
9:29 am
OK, off to see the socialists at the government can do nothing right VAMH.
Keep crushing these America-hating confederate conservatives, libs!
TaxPayer
January 18th, 2013
9:29 am
If Republicans in the House were to introduce a new rule allowing them to carry an enhanced rod–AR-15 or bigger–into the chamber, perhaps that would allow them to at least pretend as though they have a complementary pair.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 18th, 2013
9:29 am
DIA — “the doomsday preppers (of which I am NOT one, and find it a bit comical myself) are the loons?”
Man, my wife and I were active on the Y2K doomer boards (trolling, actually), and those guys were way, way over the top. They’ll deny it unto their dying breaths, but they were PRAYING for societal collapse because they thought that the best-prepped among them would be the ‘warlords’ or leaders of the remains of society.
Crazoids like Bruce Beach, who buried a couple dozen school buses in building his shelter.
Nutcases like Ed Yourdon, who still works for Deutsche Bank, last I checked. He asserted that worldwide banking and technology was headed for inevitable worldwide collapse, and yet EVEN TODAY people are still paying him for his technological advice.
Loons like Gary North, who advocated for theocratic rule in the wake of the ‘inevitable’ Y2K disaster.
Nitwits like Paul Milne, who claimed that “if you’re within five miles of a 7-11, you’re toast.”
And genuine crazoids like Dennis Olson, who said in 1999, “(t)hose of us that have “insurance” just have to pick you people off before you break in to our homes. Outside of THAT, we’ll just sit back and watch you people die off.”
Yeah, they were comical, and that’s why we trolled them. But many of the really *serious* ones had some major hate issues against the rest of society.
Moderate Line
January 18th, 2013
9:30 am
Spending in 2005 constant dollars:
The trend is up.
2005 2,472.0
2006 2,564.3
2007 2,564.1
2008 2,703.8
2009 3,173.4
2010 3,081.0
2011 3,126.3
2012 estimate 3,212.5
2013 estimate 3,157.4
2014 estimate 3,165.0
2015 estimate 3,246.6
2016 estimate 3,395.7
2017 estimate 3,484.1
Mick
January 18th, 2013
9:30 am
This whole debt scenerio is mostly bogus political spin. How come the cons never said anything about the ryan plan when it had us at 23 trillion deficits if it were to be enacted? If you really want to see some wingnut heads explode, read krugmans column today – too much common sense…
Jm
January 18th, 2013
9:30 am
Good quote jay (Johnson) if there was ambiguity there
Butch Cassidy (I)
January 18th, 2013
9:30 am
Itchy Finger – “Hopefully the GOP will grow a pair and let this reckless out of control govmint default….”
Hopefully we will have flying cars by February.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 18th, 2013
9:30 am
Well DIA, what exactly has the Republican house done to pass the President’s job bills? How many times has the House instead tried to repeal Obamacare? But hey, I’d love more focus on jobs and stimulating the economy, repairing the damages from Sandy and addressing the many other issues facing this country. So what do you say we tell the House Republicans to stop playing stupid (well I am assuming they are playing but the Tea Party Republicans may in fact be stupid), and work with the President and the Senate to accomplish a few things. If the clownish GOP base that we see post here daily would start forcing their representatives to act seriously instead of playing to the extreme right, things can be accomplished.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 18th, 2013
9:30 am
Though it is certainly good news in a narrow sense that there will likely be no bloody fight over the debt ceiling, you have to keep your eye on the target here, which is the cuts that ultimately stand to be made.
When you consider what a pliant and “willing” negotiator Barack Obama is — why he’s almost as eager to make huge cuts as his supposed Republican counterparts — what may in fact dawned on them was that it was finally time to pull back and prepare to reap huge gains in the ideological “struggle” to roll back social programs, which as it turns out is not really much of a struggle at all considering that he has willing accomplices in this supposed “progressive” Democratic president who will have presided over a shrinking of government employment and the size of government discretionary spending in general not seen since the immediate post WWII years. Although both parties have baked off for now on attacking the Big 3, showing that there does persist something to the “3rd rail” myth in American politics, the groundwork has nonetheless been laid.
Jm
January 18th, 2013
9:31 am
My guess is short term debt ceilin increase
Followed by huge fight over sequester
DannyX
January 18th, 2013
9:31 am
“Congress at 14% approval = House & Senate; one controlled by the reps; one by the dems but don’t let that interrupt your constant rep bashing Jay.”
From the Wa Post ABC News poll…
Obama, 55% approval
Democratss in Congress, 37% approval
Republicans in Congress, 24% approval
24%!! George W is smiling, “My 29% is looking pretty good. I’m a star Republican again. 2016 Republican convention here I come!”
TaxPayer
January 18th, 2013
9:31 am
Republicans do have President Obama beat on the jobs talk though. They have not done a thing to create a job since their 2010 jobs campaign. Kudos, cons.
Jm
January 18th, 2013
9:33 am
Oh yes and there’s then the fight over a budget to avoid a shutdown
Obama seems incapable of running America
He has already violated the law by not delivering a budget to congress by the constitutional deadline
godless heathen
January 18th, 2013
9:33 am
Why can’t we have a thread about guns?
Butch Cassidy (I)
January 18th, 2013
9:33 am
Moderate Line – “Spending in 2005 constant dollars:
The trend is up.
2005 2,472.0
2006 2,564.3
2007 2,564.1
2008 2,703.8
2009 3,173.4
2010 3,081.0
2011 3,126.3
2012 estimate 3,212.5
2013 estimate 3,157.4
2014 estimate 3,165.0
2015 estimate 3,246.6
2016 estimate 3,395.7
2017 estimate 3,484.1″
You better tell Congress to do something about it. Oh wait……
JamVet
January 18th, 2013
9:34 am
One last note before I go see the vampires, kudos to Uncle Miltie and his “crappy Bushie” observation.
This is a good first step in the GOP coming back around to some semblance of rationality and reason.
Gawdknows I’m no therapist, but I really do think it would be good for them to explore this more. Be brave enough to face those neocon demons! It is your only way to redemption!
Like Lincoln, did, we libs would welcome you back into the American Union!
LOL.
Have a great morning, all…
TBS
January 18th, 2013
9:34 am
JHM
You ever check out Alex Jones @ Infowars?
Not sure if he is a “doomsday prepper” but he pushes some whacked out black helicpoter theories to say the least…
The Ron Paul folks love him
RB from Gwinnett
January 18th, 2013
9:34 am
“Such a battle would be fought against superior forces, and on ill-chosen ground. The president’s approval rating are consistently above 50 percent; Congress has an approval rating of 14 percent. ”
Thanks to a band of media stooges like Bookman singing the man’s praises and blaming every ill in this nation on Republicans while holding Obama responsible for NOTHING. Sheep being led to slaughter while Bookman cheers them along….
robert goulet
January 18th, 2013
9:34 am
Republicans should approve a short term (3 month) debt limit increase, and continue to force the issue to come to a vote. The more this issue comes to a vote, the more the press will have to cover the fact that our government, in its current form, is unsustainable. Then maybe there can be some intelligent entitlement reform and wasteful government spending conversations.
Jm
January 18th, 2013
9:34 am
Trillion dollar coin krugman?
The man is a joke and the laughingstock of the economic world
Jm
January 18th, 2013
9:35 am
Godless 9:33
Welcome to the Occupation
January 18th, 2013
9:35 am
StevieRay: “Well said. The DEMS are too betrothen to the takers and the GOP is too betrothen to the large contributors”
You talk like the “takers” and the “large contributors” are not one and the same. They are.
Still no takers on the **sequester** issue?
Anybody? Bookman?
Keep your eye on the sequester, I say, that’s where the action seems to be shifting to.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
January 18th, 2013
9:35 am
Well, so much for the Great Atlanta Ice Disaster. I expect the local news stations think the TV audience is mostly old f@rts that want to hear the worst and then say, “It’s just awful! This is what we get when we defy God and go land on the moon.” Then these hack weather people like to hold a big banquet at the end of the year and get awards for forecasting the worst disaster.
Anyhow, looks like the godly Republicans have been whupped and don’t want to admit it. They’d need a stepladder to reach a piece of whale dung but they still set around and act like they got everybody behind them. Now I see that one dim bulb wants to do this debt ceiling thing every couple months. My Daddy always said you can’t cure stupid and looks like he was right. Alot of these people got a barrel of stupid poured all over them. When you get your butt kicked seven ways from Sunday don’t come back for more, is what I say.
I’m out here in the cold hauling and lugging, trying to get you
drunks fine folks ready for FNM. I sure hope somebody plays old Merle Haggard tonight. I get awful tired of Bookman picking these people you never heard of to play stuff you never heard of. Have a good Friday everybody.Butch Cassidy (I)
January 18th, 2013
9:36 am
RB from Gwinnett – Thanks to a band of media stooges like Bookman singing the man’s praises and blaming every ill in this nation on Republicans while holding Obama responsible for NOTHING.”
Awwww….poor boo boo. His party just doesn’t have the stones to win the fight.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 18th, 2013
9:37 am
RB from Gwinnett: “Thanks to a band of media stooges like Bookman singing the man’s praises and blaming every ill in this nation on Republicans while holding Obama responsible for NOTHING”
Aww. You sound really ticked about all this.
Whats ‘a matter, things not going to your liking?
alittlecommonsense
January 18th, 2013
9:38 am
YAY!! We get more debt!! Great for the country. Let’s Celebrate!!!!!
Really – shouldn’t we all be disgusted every time the debt ceiling has to be raised? Whether there is a D or an R in office? The ceiling was 9 trillion back in 2007. It’s 16.5 trillion now. Instead of disgust at the debt burden this piles on our children, Jay is celebrating a political “win” over the Republicans.
How about being an American first then an R or a D second?
RB from Gwinnett
January 18th, 2013
9:38 am
“Obama, 55% approval
Democratss in Congress, 37% approval
Republicans in Congress, 24% approval”
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy. ” Author in dispute
Have another cookie, libs.
Seriously Folks
January 18th, 2013
9:38 am
Okay all this “noise” about the debt ceiling is childish. FACT: The “government” has shrunk under President Obama. FACT: The”President Trillions” in debt became immediate because Obama actually included the COST of the TWO WARS his predecessor got us into, into his first budget instead of “keeping it off the books.” There is no “liberal bias” in stating those two FACTS!
The sad part is that people want to blame the other side for doing exactly what most every “private sector” business debates every day. Do we do one of the following to address “tough” times: A) Do we cut all our costs and “hunker down” until the economy improves? or B) Do we invest in new technology, re-tool, re-train and spend our reserves to find a new niche in the market to so we can grow ourselves out of this??
There are only TWO options to “getting this country out of the hole”….and only TWO. We can either CUT our way out of this mess? Or GROW our way out. There is no “third option.” I am not here to say that one way is better than the other…or that those who don’t agree with me are “fascists, commies, liberals, Cons” or whatever little box posters like to put each other in.
So my challenge to you all is this: If you agree that we need to CUT our way out, say so. Then explain how this will turn our economy around. If you believe we need to GROW our way out of this, then again, cite things/examples of how we can turn this around.
I for one am of the GROW crowd. And all you need to look to is the last time we had such horrible financial calamity in this country….It was called the New Deal, and it ushered in the largest scale growth in the history of the modern world….
Aquagirl
January 18th, 2013
9:40 am
They’ll deny it unto their dying breaths, but they were PRAYING for societal collapse because they thought that the best-prepped among them would be the ‘warlords’
It’s both sad and creepy to watch an adult cackle that you’re gonna be sorry when the apocalypse/collapse/Turbo Jeezus comes and they’ll be the ones laughing. They spend their whole lives waiting for some ill-defined daddy to avenge their bathroom swirlies.
Mick
January 18th, 2013
9:40 am
jm
You couldn’t shine krugmans shoes when it comes to economics, it’s ideology that you’re more connected to…
Get Real
January 18th, 2013
9:41 am
The nation’s exponential debt increase under this president will in fact be this country’s Armageddon
Thomas Heyward Jr
January 18th, 2013
9:41 am
Paul Ryan is a bailout metro-sexual girly man.
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I would agree with Bookman that he needs a Bushmaster to feel manly.
Jm
January 18th, 2013
9:42 am
Seriously
I sympathize
But you can’t grow your way out of a hole this deep
Like asking a 1 year old to hurry up and grow out of a 50 foot deep well
Butch Cassidy (I)
January 18th, 2013
9:42 am
alittlecommonsense – “How about being an American first then an R or a D second?”
Great, I say the GOP just needs to stand firm and let the chips fall where they may. Unfortunately, they’ve already decided that when money says jump, the GOP say how high?
Living With Open Eyes
January 18th, 2013
9:42 am
What do you call two blondes with a republican standing between them?
Triplets.
Vashtai
January 18th, 2013
9:42 am
How do you unseat a House Rep in a gerrymandered district? Who do you put up to run against them? If the republicans admit the only way they kept control was by rigged districts, don’t we need a less biased group to set House districts? Even though it it’s legal, it’s still not just.
DanFromMo
January 18th, 2013
9:43 am
Ya, forget about doing what is best for this country and our children and grandchildren who cannot vote…. Spend you deadbeats!
Mick
January 18th, 2013
9:43 am
rb
Do you really, really, believe half the krapola you put up? No more cookies for you…
Jm
January 18th, 2013
9:44 am
Mick
I could clean krugman’s clock
I have an economics degree
In addition to that, I haven’t been sitting in an ivory tower for 30 years
Butch Cassidy (I)
January 18th, 2013
9:45 am
RB from Gwinnett – “Have another cookie, libs.”
Have another Xanax RB. If you’re lucky, you might be able to sleep through the next 4 years and awaken to a fresh new Republican majority day in 2016.
Jay
January 18th, 2013
9:46 am
Just to expand on RB’s thought, from a newly released Wall Street Journal/NBC poll:
Just 26 percent of Americans have a positive view of the Republican Party; 49 percent have a negative view.
The comparable numbers for Democrats are 44 percent positive, 38 percent negative.
And yes, I know, it’s all the “unskewed” media’s fault. If only more people lived within the reality-free zone created by having Fox News on 24 hours a day, things would be different.
Thomas Heyward Jr
January 18th, 2013
9:46 am
Seriously Folks
I for one am of the GROW crowd. And all you need to look to is the last time we had such horrible financial calamity in this country….It was called the New Deal, and it ushered in the largest scale growth in the history of the modern world….
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Government school alert!
Government School alert!
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lol
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But seriously….I did hear tell that Obamam has an idea on how to “grow” the employment.
He plans on expanding the NBA to 30,000 teams.
AND play the games at midnight for all those courts that Clinton built.
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lol
Butch Cassidy (I)
January 18th, 2013
9:47 am
Get Real – “The nation’s exponential debt increase under this president will in fact be this country’s Armageddon”
Isn’t that why you guys elected the GOP Congressional leaders to stop him? What happened, did the rhetoric and political grandstanding become to much for your boys?
Joe Hussein Mama
January 18th, 2013
9:47 am
TBS — “JHM You ever check out Alex Jones @ Infowars?”
I think my wife goes there sometimes to drop stinkbombs and run.
We sometimes dropped in on places like Art Bell, Carnicom, Chemtrails and some even loonier than that. Did you know that alien shapechanging lizards are infiltrating our government? Well, some of those sites will tell you ALL about it!
Herr Gaijer
January 18th, 2013
9:48 am
You read more into it than whats was said. I read no ‘Moon walk away from our goals. While you personally might be a Ovomit supporter, millions of us are not. Ryan is Just stating a fact that we will fight but may not get everything. And neither will you Liberals.
Brad Naksuthin
January 18th, 2013
9:49 am
It doesn’t matter what happens. What we need to do is to take the President down a notch. If it means another recession…so be it. This is a battle between ideas and if Republicans cave in to popularity polls they are not worth being re elected.
Sometimes when you stick to your principles people have to suffer a bit for a while. But in the end, if you know your way is the only right way..we are all better off.
Better to let the country slip into recession now than wait to do it during a Conservative President.
Mick
January 18th, 2013
9:50 am
jm
Dream on…all talk, no action! If your so economically astute, who’s listening to you???
Larry
January 18th, 2013
9:50 am
As a Conservative Republican, I am extremely disappointed in my party. The perception I see is that my party is not looking out for my best interests. It looks as though Obama is looking out for the middle and lower classes, while the GOP is looking out for the upper (themselves).
Jm
January 18th, 2013
9:51 am
The truth lies between Friedman and Krugman
And depending on the state of the economy, the balance can shift
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
January 18th, 2013
9:51 am
Seriously Folks
January 18th, 2013
9:38 am
Good morning and well said.
I, for one, am of the “Grow: side. In the example of the New Deal, we have vast amounts of poor infrastructure in this country. A good jobs program much like the Conservation Camps back in the ’30’s, are a good example of what could be accomplished now. All with the side benefits of putting more money from those paychecks back into the economy. How to pay for it? I’d start with cuts in Defense and large corporation subsidies ….
BUBBA
January 18th, 2013
9:51 am
VINNY, VINNY, VINNY, A GOP AIR GUARD FLUNKIE, & HALLIBURTON STOOGE PUT THE COUNTRY IN DEBT,,,,,,,,,,,,,THINK THE GOP CAN CLEAN UP ITS OWN MESS,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,NO WAY, ,,LIL OL GEORGE BUSH TOOK US OUT OF THE BLACK AND PUT US IN THE RED,,,,NEED ANOTHER BILL CLINTON
Tracy
January 18th, 2013
9:52 am
It looks like democracy works after all. I was doubtful for a while there, but it did eventually work, at least this time around.
Butch Cassidy (I)
January 18th, 2013
9:53 am
Herr Gaijer – “Ovomit supporter”
I give Herr Gaijer points for originality. I was really getting tired of the Obozo, Oblamer, Obummer, references. Kudos Herr!
HamiltonAZ
January 18th, 2013
9:53 am
When will we recognize that the deficit is mainly the result of a depressed economy? In a depressed economy deficits help support demand. Look for revenue to rise and spending, such as unemployment benefits, to fall. It’s happening now.
Maybe if we can catch a breather from all the crisis driven politics, this news can make it out to the public.
Seriously Folks
January 18th, 2013
9:53 am
@Thomas…thanks for playing. I see you have nothing of substance to offer? Should I put you down as a “cut” or “grow” person? Or do you prefer the “nothing is wrong except Democrats are commies and ruining this country” crowd??
BUBBA
January 18th, 2013
9:53 am
VINNY,,,,,,,,HOW MUCH DOES YOUR DIAPER HAVE TO WEIGH BEFORE YO MOMMA WILL CHANGE IT??????
Thomas Heyward Jr
January 18th, 2013
9:53 am
“we have to pass this debt increase before we can lower it”
Paul Pelosi
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 18th, 2013
9:54 am
Aquagirl
January 18th, 2013
9:18 am
Blame is irrelevant. The dysfunctional system is relevant. All the focus is on the self serving as opposed to those who need to be served..
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 18th, 2013
9:55 am
Congressional Republicans in 2011 blocked the American Jobs Act, which included some desperately needed funds for infrastructure improvements. But even the money in that bill would have been a drop in the proverbial bucket when it comes to America’s infrastructure needs.
According to a new report from the American Society of Civil Engineers, America’s infrastructure deficit stands at $1.6 trillion and will grow to $2.75 trillion over the next decade, costing the country trillions of dollars in wasted economic potential and millions of jobs….
Overall, if the investment gap is not addressed throughout the nation’s infrastructure sectors, by 2020, the economy is expected to lose almost $1 trillion in business sales, resulting in a loss of 3.5 million jobs. Moreover, if current trends are not reversed, the cumulative cost to the U.S. economy from 2012–2020 will be more than $3.1 trillion in GDP and $1.1 trillion in total trade.
A recent study found that infrastructure investments provide a major boost to the economy, but public investment has plunged since the Great Recession (even as the U.S. is paying record low rates to borrow money).
Moderate Line
January 18th, 2013
9:55 am
Seriously Folks
January 18th, 2013
9:38 am
Okay all this “noise” about the debt ceiling is childish. FACT: The “government” has shrunk under President Obama. FACT: The”President Trillions” in debt became immediate because Obama actually included the COST of the TWO WARS his predecessor got us into, into his first budget instead of “keeping it off the books.” There is no “liberal bias” in stating those two FACTS!
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Fact: Your wrong. As I posted earlier the general trend according to OMB for spending is UP. These numbers come from OMB which is produce by the White House. The OMB includes all spending including on budget and off budget.
Thulsa Doom
January 18th, 2013
9:56 am
The Republicans will surely cave just like they did the last time. They tried to force Obama to take seriously the burgeoning debt crisis and lost big time. Republicans will lose again and the Obama debt train picks up steam again. And that’s a big ole train. Obama do love his debt he do.
DannyX
January 18th, 2013
9:57 am
“Ryan is Just stating a fact that we will fight but may not get everything.”
Is that the same Ryan who voted for the 2 unfunded 1.5 trillion dollar wars, the unfunded socialist Medicare Part D, the creation of the unfunded Dept of Homeland Security, and earmarks galore? The same Ryan who voted yes for massive tax cuts in the middle of all that spending?
GT
January 18th, 2013
9:57 am
Nature correct purifies and survives all. A lie cannot be expected to last forever; it is artificial flawed with human ego.
I keep waiting for this truth to hit Wall Street. We keep bailing them out which makes us part of the dysfunction they created. When you use an institution to bail out an artificial creation that by nature is not working, weather it is church or government it become systemic and infects all it touches. The only real test of nature is to let the truth bad or good be undeterred and then learn from it what the boss wants you to do not what you want the boss to do.
Itchy Finger
January 18th, 2013
9:58 am
I wonder if obama will use children for props to push the debt ceiling to?
Thulsa Doom
January 18th, 2013
9:58 am
“we have to pass this debt increase before we can lower it”- Paul Pelosi
Dang. That was hilarious.
Jm
January 18th, 2013
9:59 am
Mick
I’m not in the BS biz
Krugman is
TaxPayer
January 18th, 2013
9:59 am
The Koch crooks have instructed the Republicans as to what they will do and they will do it. I have no doubt.
Living With Open Eyes
January 18th, 2013
10:00 am
Enter your comments here
TaxPayer
January 18th, 2013
10:01 am
I see the big banks are starting to cater to the Republican constituency.
DannyX
January 18th, 2013
10:01 am
“They tried to force Obama to take seriously and lost big time.”
Hey there Doom, what exactly are the spending cuts Republicans want to make? Since the Republicans are so serious about “the burgeoning debt crisis,” I’m sure that will be easy for you to answer.
BlahBlahBlah
January 18th, 2013
10:01 am
Republicans would be wise to abandon the debt ceiling fight and focus on the budget fight, where they could force the Senate to actually pass something for the first time in years. If they truly want spending cuts, get them through the standard budgeting process. If they can’t agree on a budget for FY13 before the expiration of the continuing resolution? Then they will have at least a LITTLE justification if they want to shut down the government.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 18th, 2013
10:01 am
I. Finger — “I wonder if obama will use children for props to push the debt ceiling to?”
Before that can happen, the GOP will produce an anti-deficit ad outlining the utter opulence and luxury the Obama children live in. Their conclusion will be that clearly, the President is an elitist because his children get sole meuniere and beef tenderloin for dinner every night, while working class kids have to make do with Kraft Mac n Cheez and cheap generic turkey dogs.
Seriously Folks
January 18th, 2013
10:01 am
Okay Moderate…do I need to point you to that LIBERAL magazine Forbes?? I mean you are obsessed with spending…i stated that once he came into office, he put those wars on the books..not “off the books” like his predecessor…hence he immediately had a “deficit” budget that was higher than his predecessor…
Now, please click on the link and spin your way out of the President being the one who will spend us into oblivion…ill wait right here….
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/
DannyX
January 18th, 2013
10:03 am
If all else fails Republicans could try winning a few elections!
Bob
January 18th, 2013
10:03 am
The GOP has had one consistent goal since Obama first got elected, ie. to make him look bad. They will continue on this negative, obstructionist path until he finished his second term, then blame him for the state of the economy. True, Obama has succeeded little in strengthening the country’s economy (it will take many years to pay off the two long wars that the Bush family put us in). But with a congress unwilling to support any measures that Obama has offered, how would any President pull us out of this mess? Here in the deep South, so much talk at Hardees and in the barbershop centers around the hate toward a black President. Bet this is the same talk in the back rooms of the GOP old timers who can’t stand that we have a black yankee in the white house. Let the country fall into a depression if we can after 2016, blame it on a black man.
Jm
January 18th, 2013
10:03 am
“The Koch crooks”
Yeah, I hate people who find PBS and cancer research too
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 18th, 2013
10:04 am
JAY
I continue to fail to see why politics matter when we increasingly are faced with crap alternatives….I still can’t find an economist who will suggest at what point debt and debt service make all of us nervous..
I’m afraid we will look back in 10 years and wish we would have started cleaning up income statement and balance sheet. Nothing has or will change….party control and the tactics one party is using will simple switched to the opposite party..
Les Moor
January 18th, 2013
10:04 am
Great article.
GOTP, mind your Ps and Qs and you may yet be re-elected to the office of dog catcher. Higher offices, not so much.
The Pilot
January 18th, 2013
10:04 am
So if we continue to spend and have to raise the debt ceiling where does this money come from? I know in my house if I need something I have to cut something else, my employer doesn’t say oh you need this…here’s a raise. So I guess my question is where is this money coming from? If we are so prudent in our spending then why do we need to raise the ceiling?
BUBBA
January 18th, 2013
10:05 am
BRAD,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,all the problems were caused by the gop,,,,,,,,,gop have always run up the depicet,,,,,,,,,Clinton had a balance budget,,,,,,,,,,,geo bush steals election, jump starts iragi war,,,,,,too stupid to get bin laden,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,people, we are here in this shape because of the gop,,,,,,, george bush, biggest mistake ever to happen
Welcome to the Occupation
January 18th, 2013
10:06 am
Tracy: “It looks like democracy works after all. I was doubtful for a while there, but it did eventually work, at least this time around.”
On what basis do you come to that conclusion?
The elites still appear pretty impervious to the wishes of the majority of the people, as far as I can see.
Moderate Line
January 18th, 2013
10:06 am
Moderate Line
January 18th, 2013
9:55 am
Seriously Folks
January 18th, 2013
9:38 am
Okay all this “noise” about the debt ceiling is childish. FACT: The “government” has shrunk under President Obama. FACT: The”President Trillions” in debt became immediate because Obama actually included the COST of the TWO WARS his predecessor got us into, into his first budget instead of “keeping it off the books.” There is no “liberal bias” in stating those two FACTS!
++++++2005 2,472.0
2006 2,564.3
2007 2,564.1
2008 2,703.8
2009 3,173.4
2010 3,081.0
2011 3,126.3
2012 estimate 3,212.5
2013 estimate 3,157.4
2014 estimate 3,165.0
2015 estimate 3,246.6
2016 estimate 3,395.7
2017 estimate 3,484.1
From OMB in constant 2005 dollars. Does it look like the government is shrinking.
thinkkoolaid
January 18th, 2013
10:06 am
whaaaa, whaaaa….poor out-of-touch Republicans are starting to get a clue…geez, after 4+years of demonizing everything Obama, they finally get it….they are irrelevant and slowly becoming a side show in American politics.
Obama is not bankrupting the country folks, this started about 60 years ago and George W. was the latest who put it over the top (with over $12 trillion in dept accumulated in his tenure!). The really good part is Americans know who is wrecking the country, it’s the Republican controlled House….pure and simple. Congress is the ONLY one who can authorize spending, ONLY one to authorize debt and ONLY one to control costs. Stop blaming some dude who has very little to do with the debt…take a civics lesson and stop drinking the tea. It has clouded your minds.
alittlecommonsense
January 18th, 2013
10:07 am
“Just 26 percent of Americans have a positive view of the Republican Party; 49 percent have a negative view.
The comparable numbers for Democrats are 44 percent positive, 38 percent negative.”
Jay assumes this is evidenct the Democrats are doing something right and the Republicans are doing something wrong. I would offer an alternate view that a big part of this is the fact that Democrats will always approve of anyone with a D behind his name, where Republicans don’t do the same.
Sometimes it seems like almost no transgression is too great if you have a D behind your name. Smoking crack in a hotel room with a prostitute? Re-elected.
$90K cash found in the freezer in your congressional office? re-elected.
etc., etc., etc.,
Doggone/GA
January 18th, 2013
10:07 am
“Republicans will lose again and the Obama debt train picks up steam again”
Republicans will lose again and the CONGRESSIONAL debt train picks up steam again
F. Sinkwich
January 18th, 2013
10:08 am
Hey, Jay, please let the AJC Tech Geeks know that one of their TRS-80 servers must be down — slow connectivity…
Thanks.
Rob
January 18th, 2013
10:08 am
Lots of ignorant, brainwashed anti Obama zombies posting here. You accuse Obama of excessive spending but it was Bush and Republicans that squandered the budget surplus left by Clinton. It was the Republicans that rushed into 2 futile wars in Iraq and Afghanistan at a cost of $3 trillion. Republicans INCREASED the debt and deficit more than any party in US History. That is why we are in this mess. It was Bush and the Republicans that created $2 addition Trillion in debt with their prescription drug entitlement. It was Bush that passed the first $900 Billion stimulus and put it on the country’s credit card. Obama has been warning about debt and deficit since he stepped into office. Republicans have blocked his every attempt. The Republicans in Congress poll at 11% now and deservedly so.
Itchy Finger
January 18th, 2013
10:08 am
Jay:
You’re skewed poll poll proved my point Jay. To hell with obama and let the country default.. The GOP will be blamed either way….
weetamoe
January 18th, 2013
10:09 am
Under the law Obama must submit a budget by the first Monday in February. He has met the deadline only once. That submission is supposed to start a congressional budgeting process. The senate last passed a budget in 2009. I keep seeing comments in this very paper that the president is not responsible for the budget or for much of anything else. And he obviously is not doing anything to unite the country. He is apparently redundant. In the UK he would be put on the dole, given his ticket to the NHS, and retired to a life of beans on toast.
Lucy
January 18th, 2013
10:09 am
One of the biggest problems for the Republicans voters is how uninformed they are about how our government works. No President has the power to spend money. Only the Congress does. And since the Republicans are the majority in the House, why do they keep voting for spending? It’s elementary stuff.
Open to ideas
January 18th, 2013
10:11 am
Think of the US political establishment as a relationship of sorts, if either side loses, the entire relationship loses. Dems & Republicans are both pushing this country to brink of disaster because both sides want to “win”. In the mean time, we all lose, too much spending, too much taxing, too much crime, too much pandering to special interest, too much debt. None of our children, democrats or republicans will ever be able to work their way out of this insane amount of debt, and yet all I hear everyone say is “we won the election”, or “Obama is overtaxing”, or “can’t cut this program or can’t cut that program”. Eventually someone will have to pay for this and when that day comes, both GOP & Dems will have to fork over the cash. Nobody wins because as a single team (America), if either side wins or loses, we all lose. Just like in a relationship.
Atlas Shrugging
January 18th, 2013
10:11 am
Just more of the sky is falling BS intended to scare the 50%, (underaching Obozo supporters), into thinking that they might not get their monthly payoff. Most of Obozo supporters have never had a budget and have no concept that it makes sense to attemept to reign in spending. As an example, the underachiievers that were allowed to buy houses that even a 5th grader was smart enough to realize that they couldn’t afford. Now we are all paying for the loans those idiots defaulted on. if Income- routine bills-house payment = less than zero maybe you shouldn’t sign thsoe loan papers. As bugs would say “what a bunch of maaaaroooons”!
oldpatriot
January 18th, 2013
10:11 am
The funny thing is that the Congress decides if more money is to be spoent and if the debt ceiling is to be raised, the president only has veto power and if a bill to raise the debt ceiling doesnt cross his desk all he can do is whine and bluster about it. I guess his recourse is the same one he has used for the last four years: that is act unilaterally, this president and the last one both seemed to have the same opinion that they are emperors, above the law, legislating through executive orders and other nonsense!
It really is hard to tell anymore if we live in a republic or a dictatorship!
Mary Muon
January 18th, 2013
10:11 am
Jm
January 18th, 2013
9:44 am
Mick
I could clean krugman’s clock
I have an economics degree
In addition to that, I haven’t been sitting in an ivory tower for 30 years
But, do you have a Nobel Prize and a job at Princeton University as well as a column in the New York Times? Or does nobody else think you’re that hot?
joshua
January 18th, 2013
10:12 am
I think the author is confused on a few things here.
1.Obama is always around the 50% mark and that is far from good lol that means nearly half the country still can not tolerate the guy and think his plans are horrible.
2. 80% of the people polled obviously must not realize raising the ceiling will fix absolutely nothing since Obama has yet to specify a single cut in spending. Just because you can spend more does not mean the issues magically go away as most dems seem to think.
3. Ryan clearly said if we are going to fight then fight smart that is hardly backing down. Krauthammer said a similar thing to that IE when Dems are in the senate/white house no progress will be made trying to deal with them it is their way or the highway as they have demonstrated since last month.
4. If anything will put us back into a recession it is going to be Obama and the senate. He already allowed the pay roll tax cut to expire meaning we all make less now then we did last month, at the end of the year we will all need to starting handing money over to the insurance companies due to Obamacare and then if we are lucky Obama can get working on that tax code he use to talk about. Sorry but as a whole with everyone taking hit after hit i do not see that we will be doing so well in the next year or two. Then back that up with the numbers of long term unemployed, first time files, hiring rate that has not changed in over a year and are still ridiculously bad unemployment rate and it’s not hard to see that we are going to fall again.
TaxPayer
January 18th, 2013
10:12 am
Yeah, I hate people who find PBS and cancer research too
Which Koch crook had cancer. I forget. It’s a great motivator to fund research if no cure currently exists though. And how about the generosity of GW back in the day when the Koch crooks had their income at risk if they had to face the fines due to their benzene leaks, etc. Tell me all about it, jm.
Mick
January 18th, 2013
10:12 am
jm
C’mon man, it’s ok for you to disagree with krugman, but you of all people shouldn’t be pointing fingers and acussing them of b.s. – your hypocrisy is showing…
M.C.
January 18th, 2013
10:13 am
If Bookman were any more transparent, his lack of testosterone would be apparent. He’s empty-headed (pun intended.)
stands for decibels
January 18th, 2013
10:13 am
they lost seats in the 2012 election and acknowledge that they held onto the majority only because of gerrymandering.
and oh, how they know it.
http://journalstar.com/news/opinion/editorial/columnists/carl-leubsdorf-gop-s-sly-plan-to-tinker-with-electoral/article_59aa9519-9631-5788-b4fe-8e77cbbf313c.html
This week, Republican National Chairman Reince Priebus gave the effort what appeared to be a high-level blessing. “I think it’s something that a lot of states that have been consistently blue that are fully controlled red ought to be looking at,” Priebus told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, adding such a system “gives more local control” to the states.
Republican legislators in several GOP-controlled states have introduced legislation, though it’s too early in the year to know if those efforts will succeed.
Pennsylvania Republicans, who made an abortive effort to change their system last year in what they acknowledged was an effort to help Romney, are trying again. State Rep. Bob Godshall has introduced legislation to award 18 of the state’s 20 electoral votes by congressional district, which would have given the GOP 13 more electoral votes in 2012.
In [PA, MI, & WI], the GOP won both the governorship and legislature in 2010. All backed Obama but, thanks to redistricting, elected a majority of Republican House members. As a result of these and similar efforts, the Democrats won just 201 of the 435 seats, even though they polled 1.3 million more votes.
It’s like I was saying earlier–so much of what used to be kind of a handshake agreements — we don’t screw around with this or that tradition for some short-term gain because we’re not looking to blow up the country — are being abandoned. One or two don’t a crisis make, but seriously, between the filibustering and the debt-ceiling games of chicken and now that^^, this crap is getting out of hand.
TaxPayer
January 18th, 2013
10:14 am
I suspect Krugman could hire a much more competent clock cleaner than jm especially given that those Swiss movements are so out of demand these days.
VonB
January 18th, 2013
10:14 am
This is all been decided months ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpP7MI5OhDk
DannyX
January 18th, 2013
10:15 am
“Smoking crack in a hotel room with a prostitute? Re-elected.”
Pretending you are a baby, wearing a diaper, having sex with a prostitute? Re-elected?
Taking out a 2.1 million dollar no-collateral “we could never pay it back” loan to pay for a roach motel? Re-elected?
Resign your seat in congress because of ethics violations? Elected Governor?
bookman parrot
January 18th, 2013
10:15 am
what is sad, is jay and his cohorts are just wanting victory over the Republicans, and at any cost… no matter the damage to the country…
old teach
January 18th, 2013
10:16 am
President Obama and House Speaker Boehner worked out an agreement which was at least a start on improving the debt situation in mid-2012, but the Republicans wouldn’t accept it, instead “betting the House” on winning the election–and losing. Now, the President works on a 4 year cycle and Congress works on a 2 year cycle, so the Republicans had better accept the election’s results and start meaningful discourses to stop the bleeding. It would also be nice if the two factions could actually do something helpful for the country.
Jarhead
January 18th, 2013
10:16 am
Conservatism is a political philosophy, Liberalism seems more like a religion to me. Liberalism depends on leadership.
Mohan
January 18th, 2013
10:17 am
Republican president spent trillion borrowed dollars on Afghan and Iraq war. America wants “more than they need” and any thing less is a fiscal cliff. They consume first, and don’t want to pay for it. Pay your taxes, tighten the belt (America doesn’t know what it means since 2nd world war.), stop using drugs, hit the books (not video games) You will be alright.
wayne
January 18th, 2013
10:17 am
The fact that people who send to congress those who are willing to spend more than we take in shows one of two things, they want money from people who work and pay taxes in the form of give aways, food stamps, ect or they are just economically ignorant. Those who support Obama like Jay are naive and blinded by his lies. There is a clip on youtube called 65 outrageous lies told by president Obama. As Clint Eastwood said he is the biggest sham ever pulled on the American public. The truth is not in him and stooped to a new low exploiting children for a political power grab. He covered up the murder of four Americans during his campeighn. How Americans can sit here and let the economy lag and businesses close while Obama and his cronies like David Axelrod scam them is not explainable!
Lt Col Razorback
January 18th, 2013
10:17 am
Jay,
The problem with the debt ceiling (limit) issue isn’t that it will directly increase the national deficit; it’s that it will increase the debt indirectly. It works like this.
1. The approved debt ceiling is, say, $16 trillion.
2. The debt is, say, $17 trillion.
a. The President asks Congress for authority to pay the $1 trillion differential.
b.Congress grants the President’s request.
3. Congressional politicians (particularly Democrats) vote for another well-meaning program (in their opinion), or simply for more pork for their constituents (to garner votes).
4. The new program + pork costs $1 trillion.
a. No offsetting cuts are made to pay the $1 trillion
b. The national debt increases to $18 trillion.
5. The approved debt limit is only $17 trillion.
a. The President asks Congress for authority to pay the $1 trillion differential
b. Congress grants the President’s request
6. Repeat all of the above
7. Repeat again
8. Repeat again
9. The national debt now stands at $20 trillion, and climbing
This insane propensity for both the President and the Congress to continually raise the debt limit, spend more, raise the debt limit, spend more MUST STOP!! And there is no better time to stop than with the next debt ceiling. Cut off the ability to pay for programs and pork and you cut off the growth in the ever-spiraling-out-of-control national debt.
If the medicine tastes bad and/or causes the U.S. to become a poor credit risk, so-be-it!!
TaxPayer
January 18th, 2013
10:18 am
your hypocrisy is showing…
It complements his moon.
Moderate Line
January 18th, 2013
10:18 am
Here is what is interesting. If the Republicans oppose raising the debt ceiling they are “terrorist” holding the country hostage. When they decide to raise the debt ceiling they are backing down.
What does that make Obama when he voted against the debt ceiling as a Senator?
Comentarios
January 18th, 2013
10:18 am
Democrats want to expended the money on 99% of people and Republican want to give to there 1%. Who you preferred?
Travis McGee
January 18th, 2013
10:19 am
Stand up to the bully and he folds like a Walmart suit. These ol’ boys were talking through their arses and a person with an IQ of 40 could see it. Now the look stupid.
“Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.” ~John Stuart Mill
Travis McGee
January 18th, 2013
10:19 am
Stand up to the bully and he folds like a Walmart suit. These ol’ boys were talking through their arses and a person with an IQ of 40 could see it. Now they look stupid.
“Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.” ~John Stuart Mill
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 18th, 2013
10:19 am
The extreme right wingnuts love to proclaim falsely that they are taking the “debt” seriously when in fact they have repeatedly failed to do so. The voters, seeing reality, have repeatedly shown that only the clownish buffoons believe those claims and that address serious issues will take addressing a variety of issues: increasing tax revenues, increasing infrastructure spending, increasing jobs, decrease waste and fraud (including spending more on enforcement to produce these results) and ending the “permanent war” mentality of the testosterone overloaded GOP chest thumpers. The GOP fears this reality so much that, rather than deal with the harshness of rejecting the extremists, they embrace them and leave as their only option to survive as strategy of voter suppression, changing EC rules, gerrymandering and going ugly early. Its shameful and disgusting as are those who support this stupidity.
Steve
January 18th, 2013
10:20 am
So ridiculous. You concervatives do realize that Congress authorizes spending, and Republicans spend as much as the Democrats you love to hate, right?
Mickey
January 18th, 2013
10:20 am
Good article and sadly, it is true….NOW write one on what Obama’s REAL strategy is. It will require a bit of research, but it can be done. I know the answer, but do you have the balls to do the research and publish the truth? He has mentioned it several times publicly and no one heard him or picked up on it. Did anyone ever wonder how he came up with the Obamacare bill so quickly? That was big legislation that was presented almost immediately after his election. I would start with research on George Soros if I were you. Then look at the US Communist Party and all their players, then look at the organizations he supports and why. You will have enough information for a book and a great newspaper series on the truth behind the man.
stands for decibels
January 18th, 2013
10:21 am
I’ll add, what’s really dangerous is that the only way to even begin to fight back against such tactics are things like, say, the trillion dollar coin, or in the case of these schemes to make gerrymandered congressional districts determine electors, bruising, nasty and expensive referenda and recall elections.
the alternative, for the Republicans, would be to adopt positions that weren’t bat-crap crazy and hated by the majority of Americans. Ultimately I do think they’ll have to, but short term—I really hate to see what that’s almost predestined to bring.
LIBERAL Progressive and damn proud of it.
January 18th, 2013
10:22 am
The obvious difference between us and them can be clearly seen on this blog. We make thoughtful comments and have reasoned observations. They use words like obozo and ovomit. We’re the adults, they’re the children.
SUMMER SUNSHINE
January 18th, 2013
10:22 am
I’M SO SICK OF THE WHOLE THING.
WHERE DID THE DEM. & REP. PARTY START….AFTER THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH FOUGHT A WAR THAT KILLED IT’S OWN PEOPLE.
NEITHER PARTY WILL DO ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY WILL BE SEEN AS BEING FOR THE OTHER SIDE.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE LOST THIS WAR!!!!!!!
Steve
January 18th, 2013
10:22 am
Corporate welfare, pork spending, lowering taxes on those that make the most, and three trillion dollar wars. And then you people wonder why we have so much debt?
Donovan
January 18th, 2013
10:22 am
Your cocky attitude, Mr. Jay Bookman, relative to the surprising presidential victory is worn like a cheap suit by you.
This country is split between the radical lunatics that you represent and the pragmatics which we represent. Sooner or later this duped country of Obama cult followers will get enough of the pretense, pain, and suffering created by your Dear One’s agenda and common sense will prevail.
DownInAlbany
January 18th, 2013
10:22 am
Butch Cassidy (I)
January 18th, 2013
9:27 am
DownInAlbany -”Yeah, how’s this for a “laser-like focus on jobs…”?”
Translation: My party is collapsing under the weight of a President that was supposed to be able to be beaten by Elmer Fudd, so I will now go off topic in the hope that we can deviate from the main platform.
Translation: My party will not hold this administration accountable for anything they say or do.
RevenueOrSpending?
January 18th, 2013
10:23 am
Regarding the countries spending as re-listed below, does anyone have access to corresponding personal wealth numbers (aggregate for the country). I would think that to really understand whether or not we have a spending problem or a taxing problem (revenue), we would need to compare those two trends.
Moderate Line – “Spending in 2005 constant dollars:
The trend is up.
2005 2,472.0
2006 2,564.3
2007 2,564.1
2008 2,703.8
2009 3,173.4
2010 3,081.0
2011 3,126.3
2012 estimate 3,212.5
2013 estimate 3,157.4
2014 estimate 3,165.0
2015 estimate 3,246.6
2016 estimate 3,395.7
2017 estimate 3,484.1″
doodlebugger
January 18th, 2013
10:25 am
Vinny.
Huh? The President doesn’t think we have a spending problem. Dude turn off Fox News and get a grip. This President has repeatedly urged Congress to come up with realistic reductions and has indicated his willingness to find compromise on that. Spending reduction and tax return to normal rates can balance the budget again AS IT WAS THE LAST TIME THERE WAS A DEMOCRAT IN THE WHITE HOUSE……..you really need to get a grip on reality if you want your party to have any credibility and not to lose more seats in 2014. Really, the country needs help, not hatred and ignorance.
Robert Gregory
January 18th, 2013
10:25 am
Well although its not a good idea to default on our debts the article isn’t 100% correct. Poll after poll the American people largely think our debt is a major issue and we should check government spending. But its obvious that neither side is willing to let go of their spending cows.
stands for decibels
January 18th, 2013
10:25 am
Conservatism is a political philosophy
…which says “we’ll claim to take this position and then abandon it when the other side says ‘ok, sounds reasonable, let’s try it.’”
21 old girl
January 18th, 2013
10:26 am
Quote;
“AND While you are on Gov’t subsistence, you no longer can VOTE! Yes, that is correct. For you to vote would be a conflict of interest. You will voluntarily remove yourself from voting while you are receiving a Gov’t welfare check. If you want to vote, then get a job & stop living on the government!”
Jamie
January 18th, 2013
10:26 am
It is definitely a fight worth fighting. The Republican party does not reflect the intense conservative values of the Right. Gridlock is the goal. ANOTHER disastrous 4 years from this president will hopefully open the eys of some that he was/is bad for the country.
Mick
January 18th, 2013
10:26 am
mickey
When it comes to the origin of obama care, start with the conservative heritage foundation where it was birthed. A real commie think tank if you ever read one…
Paul Revere
January 18th, 2013
10:27 am
Be careful what you write here,this is going on your permanent record. Fifty years from now your grand children will be in chains. Have a nice day.
vinny
January 18th, 2013
10:28 am
b-b-b-b-b-b-ut everyone is spending. Typical liberal bed-wetting moral equivelancy mantra.
stands for decibels
January 18th, 2013
10:28 am
Poll after poll the American people largely think our debt is a major issue
probably because they’ve been told it is over and over and over and over and over again by a corporate media that wants them to believe it.
If the public doesn’t believe we have a “debt crisis,” they’ll get uppity and expect to be paid fairly and treated like something other than livestock by the elite class.
Jm
January 18th, 2013
10:28 am
Mick
Economics is a step above alchemy
The expansion of Behavioral economics has been helpful
But have no illusion, it is not a science (in the traditional sense)
So yes I can bad mouth my own educational pedigree if I so choose
Humility in one’s knowledge is warranted
And Krugman utterly lacks any humility
A sign of immaturity, frankly
Ol' Timer
January 18th, 2013
10:28 am
@Mickey. . . Mickey. . . Mickey! Hush, you’re embarrassing yourself.
Moderate Line
January 18th, 2013
10:28 am
Lucy
January 18th, 2013
10:09 am
One of the biggest problems for the Republicans voters is how uninformed they are about how our government works. No President has the power to spend money. Only the Congress does. And since the Republicans are the majority in the House, why do they keep voting for spending? It’s elementary stuff.
+++++
Only congress does…. Republicans are the majority in the House…
And who controls the Senate? Who can veto spending?
Whether we like it or not in order spending to be cut or revenues to increase requires the House, Senate and the President to agree. Rare is the occasion when one party has had control over all three.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0774721.html
lbh
January 18th, 2013
10:29 am
As I recall, Republicans got us into this debt/spending crisis. Obama does have
solutions, ones that would be fair to all Americans. Let’s give him an honest chance to try them.
If he fails, I’m sure the Republicans will live to fight another day.
Mick
January 18th, 2013
10:29 am
donovan
Common sense did previal, thus the re-election of obama. The ryan plan of more tax cuts and a 23 trillion deficit was thoroughly rejected…
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
January 18th, 2013
10:30 am
Well, I ain’t one to complain about a freebie, but seems to me if Cox Enterprises has $250 million to invest in “technology enterprises” it could afford to buy a couple new servers so we don’t need to wait 3 or 4 minutes for a page to refresh. Or maybe we could each chip in five bucks to help out.
As the hippies on here always say, just sayin’.
Rafael Garza
January 18th, 2013
10:31 am
The Democrats act as if O’Bama won by a landslide, almost half the country didn’t want him and with good reason.Any candidate that resorts to character assassination doesn’t have a record to run on.Congress is split between the two parties its not controlled by the GOP but the House holds the purse strings so they should fund all essential services plus Social Security and Medicare and de-fund the White House and lets see how long it takes O’Bama to come around.Newt did it to Clinton and it worked out well for everyone.
dave
January 18th, 2013
10:31 am
Its too bad nobody in Washington has the guts to stand up for whats right and stop the stupid spending .
Mick
January 18th, 2013
10:32 am
**And Krugman utterly lacks any humility
A sign of immaturity, frankly**
Dude, are you serious? Can you really be saying that with a straight face after all the gibberish you post???
gadem also known as Benghazi
January 18th, 2013
10:32 am
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/17/chris-christie-rails-against-nra-calls-ad-reprehensible/?iref=obinsite
Recon 0311 2533
January 18th, 2013
10:32 am
Man, you can almost picture Jay running around the AJC with pom poms wearing a cheerleaders outfit these days cheering on a reckless administration that refuses to acknowledge the financial shambles we’re in. Talk about hanging it appears as though Obama and gang are out to hang the American people.
Mitch
January 18th, 2013
10:32 am
Don’t forget what got us into this fiscal mess to begin with – it was the Bush tax cuts for the upper income people who supported him and Dick Cheney. If we just let the tax cuts expire as they were supposed to…. we would be much better off.
DownInAlbany
January 18th, 2013
10:32 am
Despite all of the rhetoric on both sides, I firmly believe the debt ceiling will be raised. We will not default. But, isn’t part of the purpose of having a Senate, House and Executive branchs? To provide balance and guard against one side (any side, doesn’t matter) or the other completely ruling?
Overly simplistic, I know. (que the “simple minds” comments…)
Like I’ve said before and I stand by it. Con, lib, pub, dem…toss ‘em in a bag and draw one out. The only thing they are REALLY interested in is the next election cycle.
Lt Col Razorback
January 18th, 2013
10:34 am
To: Corbin Sharpe,
Can’t you offer something more imaginative than –
“How to pay for it? I’d start with cuts in Defense and large corporation subsidies ….” ?
There is only one true purpose for a government and that purpose is to defend the nation. “Freedom isn’t free.”
Without a strong and viable military, government cannot uphold that purpose. Do you expect the President, his cabinet, and the members of Congress to take up arms to defend us?
It ain’t going to happen!
stands for decibels
January 18th, 2013
10:34 am
Obama is always around the 50% mark and that is far from good lol
Compared to what?
Here’s my oft-linked Gallup Presidential approval center thingie.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx
Compare him to Clinton or Bush, the last two two-termers. His first term was a bit better than the former (generally), lower than the latter, although it’s about neck and neck with GWB of late.
(and keep in mind, Gallup has been consistently over-sampling Republicans, to the point where they know it’s an issue and they’ve been trying to correct it of late.)
Given how crap/sluggish the economy has been (thank you, idiot tightwad Congress), 50% is pretty damn good. And again, that’s Gallup–others have him a few points higher, but I like Gallup since they have such a great historical database to draw from, for comparison.
Lt Col Razorback
January 18th, 2013
10:34 am
I forgot – It ain’t going to happen because our illustrous President wants to take away all of our guns!!!
mike
January 18th, 2013
10:34 am
Unbelieveable that the liberals cannot see reality. Common sense is a gift all of us are not granted. Just look around and you realize the idiots out there are in a cloud.
The idiot was put into office to ruin this country and if you cannot see this, then heaven help us.
Enough said.
Thulsa Doom
January 18th, 2013
10:34 am
Butch Cassidy,
I got my Series 7 back.Knocked out it and the 63 last week. I’m a dangerous man now.
td
January 18th, 2013
10:35 am
Jay
January 18th, 2013
9:46 am
Just to expand on RB’s thought, from a newly released Wall Street Journal/NBC poll:
Just 26 percent of Americans have a positive view of the Republican Party; 49 percent have a negative view.
The comparable numbers for Democrats are 44 percent positive, 38 percent negative.
And yes, I know, it’s all the “unskewed” media’s fault. If only more people lived within the reality-free zone created by having Fox News on 24 hours a day, things would be different.
And when you read the previous polls and listen to Chuck Todd you will find that the approval rating drop has come from Republicans. Could that be because the Republicans are blaming Congressional Republicans for NOT cutting spending and for raising taxes?
Throwing out numbers without context is making you not look as smart as we both know you are.
JL
January 18th, 2013
10:35 am
While there are many to blame and lots of fingers to point, that doesn’t get us on a path to a solution. The facts are that, as a nation, we continue to spend more money than we have in our bank account which is something that none of us as individuals can do. We spend this money to support more and more social programs and demand that the people who have worked hard and risked everything to be successful, pay for these ever increasing entitlements. We are moving quickly down the path of a majority of the people being supported by the government. The more that people understand that they can vote themselves more money, the deeper we get in debt. Obama has capitalized on this philosophy of wealth redistribution and motivated a majority of the people to vote for him because he promises to take other people’s money and give it to those that would support him. This will lead to financial ruin and the death of our democracy. We will, in the not so distant future, be in the same position as Greece where people are protesting and rioting because the money ran out and they will no longer be getting their monetary support from the government as was promised when they voted for thier leaders. Promises for government support for the majority of the people are empty promises that cannot be fulfilled in the long run. They are only short term promises to get someone elected. The people of this great nation are going to have to come together in an understanding that we cannot support the majority of the nation in a sustainable fashion. We have now raised taxes on the wealthy which gives us enough money to run the government for 14 additional days a year. That will do little to solve the spending problem. It is time to make the tough spending cuts that are required to sustain the financial viability of this nation.
TaxPayer
January 18th, 2013
10:35 am
Pragmatically speaking, Republicans are losers.
joshua
January 18th, 2013
10:36 am
@ Mitch those tax cuts that were approved by a Dem senate and house and renewed under Obama? Ya thought so but feel free to keep blaming Bush 4 yrs later.
Jim
January 18th, 2013
10:36 am
Dogglebugger the prez really does not believe there is a spending prioblem. Wake up and pay attention to what is going on if you want to contribute here. He has stated there is no spening issue and has no intention of cutting back
Steve
January 18th, 2013
10:36 am
What are you conservatives going to do if the housing market continues to grow and the economy improves over the next four years? That will mean more tax revenue which will also mean a lowering of the deficit. Will you then be whining about how “horrible” and “devastating” Obama is?
Sam
January 18th, 2013
10:36 am
It’s about time Republicans admit they are part of the problem and not part of the solution. Republicans should pass Obama’s Jobs bill from 2010, allow Medicare to negotiate prescription drug prices, allow for a public option for health insurance, make it where no person or corporation has zero+ tax liability while making $billions, raise the taxable threshold for social security and cut our excessive military spending. With the Republican congress having the lowest approval rating in history you would think they would pass bills to make them look more responsible. Obama isn’t running again so killing the economy to punish Obama is foolish.
Jefferson
January 18th, 2013
10:37 am
The tax rates will have to return to Clinton era rates is the debt is to be reduced. Nothing will change this fact, ever.
landrmc
January 18th, 2013
10:38 am
ONE President of ONE party during TWO administrations took the country into TWO wars, declared the costs of those wars off-budget, and ADDED another unpaid for ‘entitlement’ (Medicare prescriptions). ONE President of ONE party took these actions even though the increased costs of the baby-boomer generation’s retirement has been known for decades. Did ONE President of ONE party — handed a federal budget producing surpluses — take any actions such as paying down the federal debt to begin preparing the country for these rising costs? Nope. That ONE President of ONE party CUT TAXES TWICE, further enriching 1% of the population. Its laughable that ONE party, whose economic policies and fiscal practices caused the worst recession since the Great Depression (their economic policies caused that disaster, too), now claims to be the party of fiscal prudence.
Proud Liberal
January 18th, 2013
10:38 am
The president continues to spend ,spend ,spend ? Yes he does, he is paying the bills that George W. Bush incurred when he put 2 unneeded wars on a credit card. Someone has to pay the bills, and he is doing it. If he had some help from the Republicans we wouldn’t be in this mess. The only thing the Republicans want is to make President Obama fail miserably so the Republicans can take back the Whitehouse. The Republicans have nothing to offer but trying to make Obama fail.
Steve
January 18th, 2013
10:39 am
JL – you do realize that if the economy improves, and if we actually spent our money on infrastructure, which creates jobs, which gets people OFF of assistance, that it’s a win win for everyone? More jobs, better economy also means more tax revenue going towards the debt. We can’t get there if conservatives keep pushing “austerity” while they lock themselves into their wealthy gated communities while the rest of us decay.
AWJ
January 18th, 2013
10:39 am
It is simple Jay..In the past the GOP has come to the table on their part of the “compromise” by not extending Bush tax cuts to everyone, raising the debt ceiling on previous occasion with the “compromise” from BHO being to reduce the deficit. The only problem is that BHO, Reid, Pelosi, etc. never keep their word in the balanced equation formula that goes along with the raising of the debt celing and other compromises across the asile. They are drawing a line in the sand because BHO has not kept his word (imagine that) from previous talks. It may be true that a “majority” of Americans don’t want cuts to SS or Medicare, but the “majority” of Americans did not favor Obamacare and close to a majority (if not a majority) want it repealed. Also as you are well aware, the structure of our country’s government is not a strict majority rules. Just because my 2 sons (majority) want to eat candy for dinner does not mean that is what I should do. I should do what is right for the future of their eating habits, as much the same that the GOP is (at least trying) to address the fact that we have a HUGE spending problem created during the last 13 years. If BHO really cared about “the children” as he professes to with his “not gonna do a thing to stop viloent attacks” gun legislation, he would actually address the mountain of debt they will have to pay back because of the previous generations.
Anyone that belives we do not need to address spending is in denial. Obviously the left and BHO are not willing to address it (even though they said the would…Hmm not keeping their word again…a pattern!) so the GOP is at least attempting to bring it to the table. This “debt ceiling crisis” is strickly the result of one BHO and his party not keeping their word from previous negociations….We need to wake up and realize that our politicians (both sides) are sending this country straight to hell and don’t care. Maybe a good debt ceiling freeze or failing off the next cliff might be what it takes for this country to realize that we need serious change on both sides of the aisle.
I agree with you that the GOP is out of touch with their base and the middle. In talking to democrats and others that have problems with the GOP. I think the media and the left have labled the GOP something they are not. The GOP allowed this to happen and need to truly communicate what they represent and how the plan to do it, while fighting the smear and lies perpetuated by the left.
Good day friend!
Jim
January 18th, 2013
10:39 am
taxpayer… pragmatically speaking your an idiot for saying that. Whats your basis for that comment? The fact that repubs dont give handouts for votes is not a reason for being loosers
Jm
January 18th, 2013
10:39 am
Mick
Sorry pal, straight up serious
Readjust your antennae
Zack Shoemaker
January 18th, 2013
10:40 am
You’re living in a dream world if you think we can keep spending and keep raising the limit like this. The two-party system must be voted out.
TawnyAngel
January 18th, 2013
10:41 am
This must be from the liberal media.
Votting for free money is a treasonous act; High Treaon
Job Creator
January 18th, 2013
10:42 am
It would be best for the Republicans to back off and let the President pursue his agenda. He won the election – whether we like it or not. Complaining will accomplish nothing.
More importantly the US debt is a self correcting problem requiring no action from either political party to correct. World financial markets will over time reduce US govt access to credit markets to zero. If you can no longer borrow money you can’t spend it.
This will be the most painful method of solving the problem but it will eventually happen regardless of what the US govt does.
stands for decibels
January 18th, 2013
10:42 am
Man, you can almost picture Jay running around the AJC with pom poms wearing a cheerleaders outfit these days
naw, that’s your side’s schtick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt_YcQlYxyY
(it never gets old, that one.)
AkCoyote
January 18th, 2013
10:42 am
Excellent!! It will just speed up the time until TEOTWAWKI!!
Moderate Line
January 18th, 2013
10:42 am
lbh
January 18th, 2013
10:29 am
As I recall, Republicans got us into this debt/spending crisis. Obama does have
solutions, ones that would be fair to all Americans. Let’s give him an honest chance to try them.
If he fails, I’m sure the Republicans will live to fight another day.
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I believe to be Republicans have a huge responsibility when it comes to debt/spending. The tax revenues according to the OMB tables went from 20.6% of GDP to 17.6% right before the recession(200&). However, GDP spending under Bush average less than 20%. Our current revenues are at 15.4%. Long term spending as far out as 2017 is over 22%.
Now it is easy to say that Republicans are to blame or Democrats are to blame but the truth is BOTH are to blame. It is hard to blame Republicans and two wars for deficits in 2017. Much of spending in 2017 concern programs which were enacted long before Bush and it is not Obama’s fault either. However, Bush and Republicans made the problem worse by cutting taxes and Obama and Democrats are ignoring. Read Krugman’s article. He is essentially throwing these programs under the table. He is basically saying don’t worry about the problem because it is far into the future. In other words it is your kids problem.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 18th, 2013
10:42 am
Jarhead: “Conservatism is a political philosophy, Liberalism seems more like a religion to me. Liberalism depends on leadership”
Depends on what you mean by “conservatism”. In the strict sense, you’re right. Movement conservatives base their views on a philosophy, while liberalism is a much more disparate grouping, although it too has a long intellectual lineage. Conservatism is ultimately however a reaction to liberalism, or progress itself. Without that, conservatism is at sea, without rudder, purposeless. Even a conservative warrior like Irving Kristol admitted as much late in his life during the Bush years of conservative hegemony over the nation’s political and cultural life. Without the thrill of battle, he noted, a conservative has little to do but just retreat to a corner of reflection and withdraw.
AWJ
January 18th, 2013
10:42 am
It is simple Jay..In the past the GOP has come to the table on their part of the “compromise” by not extending Bush tax cuts to everyone, raising the debt ceiling on previous occasion with the “compromise” from BHO being to reduce the deficit. The only problem is that BHO, Reid, Pelosi, etc. never keep their word in the balanced equation formula that goes along with the raising of the debt celing and other compromises across the asile. They are drawing a line in the sand because BHO has not kept his word (imagine that) from previous talks. It may be true that a “majority” of Americans don’t want cuts to SS or Medicare, but the “majority” of Americans did not favor Obamacare and close to a majority (if not a majority) want it repealed. Also as you are well aware, the structure of our country’s government is not a strict majority rules. Just because my 2 sons (majority) want to eat candy for dinner does not mean that is what I should do. I should do what is right for the future of their eating habits, as much the same that the GOP is (at least trying) to address the fact that we have a HUGE spending problem created during the last 13 years. If BHO really cared about “the children” as he professes to with his “not gonna do a thing to stop viloent attacks” gun legislation, he would actually address the mountain of debt they will have to pay back because of the previous generations.
Anyone that belives we do not need to address spending is in denial. Obviously the left and BHO are not willing to address it (even though they said the would…Hmm not keeping their word again…a pattern!) so the GOP is at least attempting to bring it to the table. This “debt ceiling crisis” is strickly the result of one BHO and his party not keeping their word from previous negociations….We need to wake up and realize that our politicians (both sides) are sending this country straight to hell and don’t care. Maybe a good debt ceiling freeze or failing off the next cliff might be what it takes for this country to realize that we need serious change on both sides of the aisle.
I agree with you that the GOP is out of touch with their base and the middle. In talking to democrats and others that have problems with the GOP. I think the media and the left have labled the GOP something they are not. The GOP allowed this to happen and need to truly communicate what they represent and how the plan to do it, while fighting the smear and lies perpetuated by the left.
Jm
January 18th, 2013
10:42 am
Zack
You prefer a monopoly on politics?
CUTI
January 18th, 2013
10:42 am
vinny,no clue,you are just some kind of airhead.you did not know what you talked about.
C Miller
January 18th, 2013
10:43 am
Have Boehner give the D’s about 35 votes, while the rest of the party votes no. Let the Democratic House, Senate and White House be held 100% accountable for raising the ceiling, and recognize them for the party of spenders and entitlements that they have been for the past 4 years. Alternatively, raise the ceiling to cover the value of debt interest payments, let us meet our bond obligations (protect the credit rating) and then let O figure out how to pay for all the Koolaid. And you think times are difficult now….. China will eventually cut the credit card.
td
January 18th, 2013
10:43 am
Jefferson
January 18th, 2013
10:37 am
The tax rates will have to return to Clinton era rates is the debt is to be reduced. Nothing will change this fact, ever.
Not if spending does not return to Clinton levels as well.
Dough2
January 18th, 2013
10:43 am
When will Republicans come forward with their plan to cut entitlements. Put up or shut up.
RB from Gwinnett
January 18th, 2013
10:43 am
Mick, “Do you really, really, believe half the krapola you put up? ”
Do I believe people are voting themselves plunder from the public treasury while Obama and the libs promise them they’ll fleece the evil rich people to pay the bills while all along knowing the tax increase he demanded was nothing more than a publicity stunt? Yes. If you haven’t figured it out yet, you likely never will.
Keep putting forth no effort while cashing those freebie checks though, Mick. You’ll stop being poor in no time.
Steve
January 18th, 2013
10:43 am
Obama could walk on water & cure cancer and the GOP/conservatives would find ways to hate and condemn that.
jim fields
January 18th, 2013
10:44 am
I don’t know about Vinny, but he is totally correct in his observation of what this president represents. He would not have been elected for dog catcher in Illinois, if it wasn’t for welfare receivers, and a large portion of two minorities that live off of public funding. Like Mitt Romney correctly stated, obama starts out with a 47% advantage, and the rest of us tax payors provide for the payees.
Erwin's cat
January 18th, 2013
10:45 am
Economics is a step above alchemy
Economists are like the weather man…they can tell us what happened yesterday
webuiltitblog.com
January 18th, 2013
10:46 am
Withholding approval of the debt ceiling increase is the only leverage GOP has to force President Obama and liberal Dems to reduce spending and $16 trillion debt. If we don’t do that we will end up like Greece and the rest of Western Europe. This is not opinion; one can see empirical evidence by looking at those countries’ deteriorating economies. You may recall that originally spending cuts were supposed to be enacted in conjunction with the recent tax increases. If they’re not enacted now, then when?
yuzeyurbrane
January 18th, 2013
10:46 am
Jay, I hope your analysis is correct. From what is leaking out of the Republican retreat in Williamsburg, it sounds like they could agree on nothing except further attempts to rig voting—this time the Electoral College. Actually, it exposes another flaw in the Electoral College system—it is subject to manipulation by those who do not believe in democracy. If you really want to be fair, it should be thrown out and replaced by a radical concept–one man, one vote.
TaxPayer
January 18th, 2013
10:46 am
Jim,
The Republicans lost or were you not paying attention during the last election. Pragmatically speaking, Republicans are losers. Own it.
Moderate Line
January 18th, 2013
10:46 am
O.K., you can argue that the adjustment to an aging population would be smoother if we commit to a glide path of benefit cuts now. On the other hand, by moving too soon we might lock in benefit cuts that turn out not to have been necessary. And much the same logic applies to Medicare. So there’s a reasonable argument for leaving the question of how to deal with future problems up to future politicians.
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This is completely irresponsible.
Tom Mariner
January 18th, 2013
10:47 am
It takes two to tango. The GOP Congress is not “moonwalking” as the quasi-clever headline suggests. The House has politely asked the President “How much additional spending do you suggest and how long are you going to need it for?” The President refuses to answer so the House has no clue how to write the debt ceiling legislation.
How about a headline that says “GOP leaders ask President how much spending, but he’s mute”?
To be factual, this whole public argument is just a political campaign ploy aimed at getting the House back in the hands of the fanatically loyal Nancy Pelosi. So our country can once again bypass Congress and we can all live according to the wise, but imperial, leader who knows much better than those stupid Congress men and women who were elected by their communities. Interestingly, Congress has Constitutional control of the purse strings — I think I am seeing why.
Ed
January 18th, 2013
10:47 am
Bring on the third party! Yes it is over for Republicans! By showing that you are scared to fight for what you believe in (so you say) America is drowning in debt and your party is not even willing to stand up for your own principals. The crazy thing is that all you have to do is not cave and and you could win this fight, but no you guys are self destructing before our eyes with stupidity in leadership! How in the world can anyone who honestly believes that Obama is evil and his ways are wrong and will ruin America then turn tale and vote for him! Thank God we had Patriots who formed this Government stand up to King George – What would we be today if they said things but didn’t stand up against the things they didn’t believe in! I guess we would be having Tea now! Good Bye Republicans!
Cutty
January 18th, 2013
10:47 am
Speaking of moonwalking:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_3v-_p3ESo
TaxPayer
January 18th, 2013
10:48 am
Hind sight is 20-20 regardless of the profession.
stands for decibels
January 18th, 2013
10:49 am
What are you conservatives going to do if the housing market continues to grow and the economy improves over the next four years? That will mean more tax revenue which will also mean a lowering of the deficit.
I’m pretty sure their strateegery will be to continue breaking things and inflicting as much pain as possible on the Poors and the Olds, and hope that a Democratic President will do something stupid like invade the wrong country.
Erwin's cat
January 18th, 2013
10:49 am
sock puppet Friday?
Jeff Wetherbee
January 18th, 2013
10:49 am
Keep in mind most of Jay and Obama’s cheerleaders pay no federal taxes in the first place. They are as dependent on the government for their survival as a prostitute is on her “manager”. A nation of failed whores can hardly be expected to understand or care about fiscal responsibility. As long as the check keeps coming in the mail, “Americant’s”, my term for the freeloaders among us, could care less about runaway government spending.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 18th, 2013
10:49 am
Steve
January 18th, 2013
10:39 am
Seems to me that “austerity” is a bit dramatic..certainly relative to the actual cuts suggested compared to the “austerity” of Europe.
Do you really think we can get out of this financial spiral 100% on the backs of less than 10% of the taxpaying population?
We can’t sustain defense, medicare, social security and PelosiCare no matter how much we tax. We are spending 40% more than we collect and that won’t change soon.
At what point to our politicians get the stones to make difficult decisions? We can go back to top bracket of 90% but sans unrealistic economic growth combined with intelligent, non-dramatized spending discipline…the latter is getting no traction…
Vadergnome
January 18th, 2013
10:50 am
Vinny,
“Only the Sith deal in absolutes.”
-Obi-Wan Kenobi
stands for decibels
January 18th, 2013
10:50 am
I should add, conservatives will get a lot of help in hurting the Poors and the Olds from Democrats, who generally want to hurt them as well, only not quite as much.
Fred ™
January 18th, 2013
10:50 am
TawnyAngel
January 18th, 2013
10:41 am
This must be from the liberal media.
Votting for free money is a treasonous act; High Treaon
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Cool. Do we start the Executions with Bush? i mean Ronnie Reagan is dead so we can’t execute THAT traitor for his free spending. I guess we COULD dig him up and desecrate that of his corpse that hasn’t rotted away yet if it makes you happy though……..
Moderate Line
January 18th, 2013
10:51 am
Moderate Line
January 18th, 2013
10:46 am
O.K., you can argue that the adjustment to an aging population would be smoother if we commit to a glide path of benefit cuts now. On the other hand, by moving too soon we might lock in benefit cuts that turn out not to have been necessary. And much the same logic applies to Medicare. So there’s a reasonable argument for leaving the question of how to deal with future problems up to future politicians.
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This is completely irresponsible.
This was from Paul Krugman.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/18/opinion/krugman-the-dwindling-deficit.html?ref=opinion&_r=0
MANGLER
January 18th, 2013
10:51 am
They truly are still stuck on the guns and butter version of the economy. You produce one or the other. And historically, the guns portion has led to prosperity and we run low on the butter.
However, that economy doesn’t exist any more. There is way more butter in the mix today. But the overall theories are still based on WW2 ideas of wartime spending. It’s why they want to expand the defense budget all the time.
Steve
January 18th, 2013
10:51 am
I’m smelling a Dem Congress in 2014 and landslide Dem win in 2016 if you conservatives stay on the track you’re on. You’re only hope is the RINO Chris Christie.
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
January 18th, 2013
10:52 am
Lt Col Razorback
January 18th, 2013
10:34 am
We spend more on defense than the rest of the world combined. We don’t need to be in a “Super Weapon of the Month” club. That money can be used for jobs. We have more than enough weapons to defend ourselves. You sound scared Razorback, Boogie man behind you?
Lt Col Razorback
January 18th, 2013
10:52 am
Steve,
I’m going to be thankful that our capitalist economy is strong enough to recover from the best that Obama could do to try to destroy it and implement a Greek-like socialist economic system.
That’s what I’m going to do!
Ol' Bob
January 18th, 2013
10:52 am
If the Republicans want to appear Congressional (is that a verb?) they need to try something they seem to have forgotten how to do. It’s a little thing we like to call “COMPROMISE”. Ronald Reagan, the supposed patron saint of today’s Republicans, was a past master at it. He’d declare his immovable position, compromise to get as much as he could of what he wanted, declare victory, and move on. Things got done. Reagan had sky-high approval ratings. The Dems fumed. Nowadays, the House leadership declares their immovable position – and then, they’re done! “Our way or the highway!” is their mantra, and y’know something? In politics as in the rest of what’s known as “real life”, you seldom get 100% of what you want. If there’s more than you involved, and you hold out for “every thing”, what you often get is “no -thing”. Which leads us back to the GOP – the Party of No – who set out four years ago on this strategy of opposing Obama on everything large and small – of playing brinksmanship games over EVERYTHING – and who have failed miserably. It’s time to vote this crop of Republicans OUT and get some people in Washington who are functional instead of delusional. If that means moderate Republicans, fine. If it means Democrats, or Greens, or Independents, fine. But the idealogical, fanatical, philosophical conservative fringies need to be sent home from Foggy Bottom and back to The Real World, wherever that might be.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 18th, 2013
10:53 am
“There’s no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.”
- Ronald Reagan
Lt Col Razorback
January 18th, 2013
10:54 am
Corbin,
No one is behind me and I’m certainly not scared of your sorry ass!
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 18th, 2013
10:54 am
stands for decibels
January 18th, 2013
10:49 am
If spending continues to grow at a pace suggested by many and contemplating the baby boomers (used to have 16 employed to support 1 retiree…it will be 2:1 in no time)..we will not see a corresponding growth in revenue regardless.
Our economy, solely due to global competition, will never return to the manufacturing base many think. We could become isolationists but all of us will be hurt….
TaxPayer
January 18th, 2013
10:55 am
Keep in mind most of Jay and Obama’s cheerleaders pay no federal taxes in the first place.
That’s because we is pragmatic conservatives as opposed to you idealogues.
nelson
January 18th, 2013
10:55 am
Government is clearly out of the sphere of influence of the populace. Government makes all the decisions from what children eat in schools, to gun ownership.
The debt ceiling is not for us to reason why it should be raised rather than cut spending. What is the truth, expenses cannot be cut, the only way is to raise the debt ceiling. The tipping point will be when all the revenue goes to service the debt.
The real issue is when government becomes sooooo massive and unwielding that it cannot be managed.
joshua
January 18th, 2013
10:55 am
Man i feel like i am living in 2008 with how many on here keep using the blame Bush routine. Dam i wonder if next year they will still be using that excuse when things continue to go down hill for most of us.
Keyser Soze
January 18th, 2013
10:56 am
60%
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/01/14/debt-deficit-obama-congress/1830363/
SouthernGent
January 18th, 2013
10:56 am
After reading the liberals comments, I am thinking there must be some cheap flights to Colorado and Jay and his buddies have been out there ever since they legalized pot and are posting on a high.
The debt ceiling does not need to be raised unless spending is lowered. Federal Government revenues have been pretty steady, but spending has been through the roof.
The demoratically controlled Congress that Obama came in with, did not pass a budget. The demoratically controlled Senate has not passed a budget since the demorats lost the house. Obama’s budget was so outlandish, even the loyal demorats could not in good conscious vote for it.
Erwin's cat
January 18th, 2013
10:56 am
Hind sight is 20-20 regardless of the profession.
except for climatology
RGB
January 18th, 2013
10:56 am
“The spending will continue until the deficit improves.”
Robert Roseborough
January 18th, 2013
10:56 am
Why does no one mention the cost of W’s wars as a factor in our present fiscal mess? I would like to see the Defence Dept. renamed the War Dept.
Eisenhower said “Be wary of the military – industrial complex.”
Never4getW
January 18th, 2013
10:57 am
The grown-ups have to take over now and sort-out the mess that W and his buddies have left us. It’s just not possible to stop such a large train instantly, we adults know the process will take as much time or longer to fix than it took to get here. Thankfully, the informed public knows that spending on wars is Fraud, waste and abuse and will vote with that in mind for the foreseeable future. The GOP was a joke and will be phased-out. White conservatives are now in the minority expect for Faux News viewers. Democracy is working well!
yuzeyurbrane
January 18th, 2013
10:57 am
webuilt–you ask when? Have you heard of the normal legislative process? Like committee hearings, expert testimony, proposed legislation, majority vote on bills? You don’t get good laws from the point of a gun which is figuratively what House Republicans have been trying to do. The only time they are for the legislative process is when gun control legislation is being proposed. Now, you cannot logically have it both ways. By the way, Social Security was exempted from the sequester because it has not contributed one penny to the deficit. Now, some small modifications to it are surely required to make it solvent for another 75 years but why shouldn’t this be considered in the normal legislative process? Also, stop yelling “Greece”. It is a cheap scare tactic. There are so many differences between our situation and Greece that it is a ridiculous comparison. I suggest you open up your eyes and read some non-Fox opinions on this such as excellent analyses by Krugman.
lbjack
January 18th, 2013
10:57 am
Eagerly swallowing GOP lies, the right-wingers still don’t get it. The debt ceiling isn’t about future spending but about spending ALREADY appropriated by the Congress, including the GOP House! This is yet another radical GOP tactic to damage the nation in order to stick it to the president. If they really want to cut spending, then they do it in the budgetary process, not holding hostage the full faith and credit of the United States. There is only one way to describe Tea Party politicians: traitorous.
Steve
January 18th, 2013
10:57 am
@Razorback – how are we any more “socialist” than we’ve been under any other President? Healthcare? You and I are already paying for free socialist emergency room visits for the poor at exorbitant rates, all of this instated under Republican leadership of the past. Our military is a grand socialized program and a huge chunk of the budget. We PAY into medicare and social security and Americans LOVE both programs (check the polls). What has Obama done that has made us “socialist”?? Our “socialist” neighbor, Canada, has a happier populace and a thriving economy. but hey, “socialism” is some kind of dirty word for you because….???
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 18th, 2013
10:57 am
Moderate Line
January 18th, 2013
10:51 am
Have no reason to predict but I think it is safe to say that Krugman stopped being an economist a long time ago. He is now simply a pundit and completely biased by his political allegiance…Economists are rarely correct in the long term and the CBO’s track record is worse..
Morality?
January 18th, 2013
10:58 am
So 66% think the Dem Party SUX and are PARTY LOYALISTS first and USA loyalists LAST. So why did they vote OBAMA? Guess they were just STUPID.
td
January 18th, 2013
10:58 am
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer…and Ban the Gun Thug!
January 18th, 2013
10:52 am
January 18th, 2013
10:34 am
We spend more on defense than the rest of the world combined. We don’t need to be in a “Super Weapon of the Month” club. That money can be used for jobs.
Who in the heck builds these weapons? Are these people not working JOBS? What jobs do you think these people should have?
Welcome to the Occupation
January 18th, 2013
10:58 am
AWJ: “They are drawing a line in the sand because BHO has not kept his word (imagine that) from previous talks”
Showing that you obviously are not paying attention to what is going on. If the massive cuts that Obama has offered and followed through with over the various stages of this debt bickering do not constitute keeping his word, what does?
Jeff Wetherbee: “Keep in mind most of Jay and Obama’s cheerleaders pay no federal taxes in the first place. They are as dependent on the government for their survival as a prostitute is on her “manager”
Showing that you are utterly ignorant, probably just a FOX News propaganda consumer.
If you’re worried about lo income moochers, are you not equally outraged by the moochers in the financial sector benefiting from no-interest government funds for their speculation, or is that straining your grey matter too much to contemplate?
CJ
January 18th, 2013
10:59 am
Krauthammer: “ [Republicans] get the blame for rattled markets and economic uncertainty.”
I’m late to this discussion, so forgive me if this observation has already been made…
After reviewing Krauthammer’s comments, his clear position is as follows: If President Obama will be blamed, then crash the economy. However, if Republicans will be blamed, then do not crash the economy.
THIS is your modern Republican Party.
Fred ™
January 18th, 2013
10:59 am
Lt Col Razorback
January 18th, 2013
10:52 am
Steve,
I’m going to be thankful that our capitalist economy is strong enough to recover from the best that Obama could do to try to destroy it and implement a Greek-like socialist economic system.
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Oh the stupid……. IT BURNS………
Please tell me brainiac, when the greek economy has ever been more than than that of a third world country tin the last 2500 years?
You poor sad foxbots and silly little foxbot nonsense phrases.
Loves Me Some Obama Kool-Aid
January 18th, 2013
11:00 am
Perfect example of why it is so hard to dialogue with Liberals: For 4 years, Obama and the Liberals have blamed the economy on Bush. When Conservatives point out (rightly) that Obama has no plan for solving the fiscal crisis, Liberals defect to ‘place the blame where in belongs…on Congress’ meme. You haven’t placed the blame there for the last 4 years, why start now? Disingenous Kool-Aid Drinkers the lot of you.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 18th, 2013
11:01 am
Morality?
January 18th, 2013
10:58 am
Cause the options sucked on GOP side more than DEM side…the DEMS now and historically play to recipients of government programs…also, BO convinced the public that BUSH was the benchmark he should be measured against. Don’t forget the fear mongering which was brilliant suggesting that any cuts to entitlements were characterized as the end of the country as we know it…
RGB
January 18th, 2013
11:02 am
When the day come when the federal government either wildly inflates the money supply (rendering everything you have worthless), or virtually eliminates all federal programs (Medicare, SS, others), or both, liberals need to produce sincere smiles and simply say: “Fantastic! I’ve really been looking forward to this day for a long time. After all, I caused it. Celebration time!!”
Fred ™
January 18th, 2013
11:02 am
Who in the heck builds these weapons? Are these people not working JOBS? What jobs do you think these people should have?
The chinese, the British, the Mexicans, the Canadians. THAT’S who build them silly. Not Americans, there’s no profit in Americans working…….. at least not while Obama is in office……..
TBone
January 18th, 2013
11:03 am
Yeah let’s keep fooling ourselves that there is absolutely no consequence to unlimited spending by the gubmint. We already borrow 40 cents for every dollar spent and the interest will only increase. Besides Obasma’s job council is bound to meet at some point and remedy this pathetic economy. I hear the Burger King and Ronald McDonald are the co-chairs of the august body.
Fred ™
January 18th, 2013
11:03 am
RGB
January 18th, 2013
11:02 am
When the day come when the federal government either wildly inflates the money supply (rendering everything you have worthless), or virtually eliminates all federal programs (Medicare, SS, others), or both, liberals need to produce sincere smiles and simply say: “Fantastic! I’ve really been looking forward to this day for a long time. After all, I caused it. Celebration time!!”
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That type of talk radio/foxbot ignorance is why you keep losing elections. When called on the stupid double down and show us TWICE the stupid. Yeah, that will work……..
td
January 18th, 2013
11:04 am
lbjack
January 18th, 2013
10:57 am
“The debt ceiling isn’t about future spending but about spending ALREADY appropriated by the Congress”
Not an accurate statement. If the Congress went in today and cut the budget by 25% for next years spending then it would not need to raise the debt limit. When you have a car payment for $400 per month for the next 5 years and then that is projected in your budget but if you sell that car before the 5 years are up then you so not need that $400 per month any longer.
Josh
January 18th, 2013
11:04 am
Everyone is quick to point out what Obama is trying to do and how it will turn out bad. Given he hasn’t exactly had a easy road ahead of him. Rather then talking about what he isn’t doing lets focus on the cause of our over spending, and I personally believe it’s past time for the government to be audited anyhow.
If we cannot continue to fund our debt what happen’s? The government shuts down, which means no more bikkering in Washington, I am sure the state’s will pick up the slack and keep the wal-marts and roads working just fine without the help of the government.
Afraid the Chinese will step in and start siezing assets which will not happen, their currency is backed by the US dollar. So they are bound to our prosperity in a catch 22.
The reality is we are paying back 13 private families that financed the fed reserve long ago and still paying interest on what our grandfathers achieved with that money. The founders of the fed are dead and only their spoiled children remain to collect. I am sure they will survive if we don’t pay up.
If we just changed our foreign policy and stopped trying to police the whole world we could easily cloth, educate, and feed our less fortunate. It is time for self sufficency and a time to come together and help one another as we cross over this transition using rational thought. Instead of hallow words that gain no ground for the American People and our struggle. Yet we pay the price, and so will our children’s, children, children…..
Erwin's cat
January 18th, 2013
11:04 am
Please tell me brainiac, when the greek economy has ever been more than than that of a third world country tin the last 2500 years?
FWIW it’s the 15th biggest economy of the 27 member nation EU
Bird Lives
January 18th, 2013
11:04 am
See if you can help me- I read in the paper that we had an election. Before the election I remember seeing some guys in suits talking trash about Obama and also each other.I remember that Republicans tried to stop some folks from voting. And, somewhere in the dark recesses of my mind I remember that this guy Obama won. And if memory serves me right, he won by a pretty good margin. And thanks to gerrymandering (Wasn’t he the shortstop for the Brooklyn Dodgers?) the Repulsicans won the House. And I hear that they love Paul Ryan, a great man. (If you don’t believe me ask him.) He would be a great member of the SS. So, anyway, if the guy named Obama won, despite Hannity, Rush, O’Really and that great mind Krauthammer (If you don’t believe me ask him) and the Democrats managed to beat the BRILLIANCE of some guys who talked about Rape and how they were in favor of it, than what is the end result?.
That guy Mitch McConnell can has his wish now- Obama is a now a one term President. HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN!!! Remember the old saying, “The spoils go to the victors”.
But for all you Haters on the Right GFY!! And have a nice day
Loves Me Some Obama Kool-Aid
January 18th, 2013
11:04 am
Doesn’t matter if the economy improves and revenues increase as long as we keep spending like we have the last 12 years. Where is the Liberal solution to our fiscal challenges?
Seriously Folks
January 18th, 2013
11:04 am
I still cannot believe people think President Obama is a “run-away” spender. Look, Corporations are making record profits, yet some on here call the President a “Socialist Kenyan” (and for the record, Kenya’s government was modeled after our when they achieved independence…but I am sure THAT won’t change anyone’s mind). See this link to that “liberal rag (IRONY ALERT)” Forbes magazine.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/
Coming up with cute labels for those who disagree is a great way to engage in “anonymous” dialogue on this message board. However, I pose this again…how do you see us as a country “rebounding” if you are a “cut our way out of this” versus a “grow our way out of this.”
Fred G Sanford
January 18th, 2013
11:04 am
What has happened is Fox and Koch Bros etc have spun up the rubes. Of course it happens whenever there’s a D in the WH. Recall the deficit ticker on the evening news in the late 70s? It has proven to be ffective over the years. They wake up the rubes, tell them running the country is like their paltry bank account (cant spend what you dont have yeehaw) and then the rubes run with it. The national economy is nothing like your own. Your community college should have had 2 intro economics classes, microeconomics and macroeconomics. You = micro, Govt = macro. Different animals. So what has been happenening under Obama is he lets the Republicans play their cards, with weak handa. Folks are wiser now and thats why the like the new tougher stances by Obama against the just say no crowd.
Fred ™
January 18th, 2013
11:04 am
Morality?
January 18th, 2013
10:58 am
So 66% think the Dem Party SUX and are PARTY LOYALISTS first and USA loyalists LAST. So why did they vote OBAMA? Guess they were just STUPID.
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Or maybe they knew that Romney sucked even more………….
JL
January 18th, 2013
11:05 am
TaxPayer
prag·mat·ic (prg-mtk)
adj.
1. Dealing or concerned with facts or actual occurrences; practical.
I am a Republican, a small business owner responsible for creating 150 jobs at my business in the aerospace community, and certailny pay my “fair” share of the taxes. I deal with facts everyday. The facts are that the policies of this administration are hurting my business and the people that work there. Obamacare is increasing costs dramatically, 15% increase in health care this year which, by the way, the company absorbed the entire increase to help the employees. We will not be able to do that next year when the costs are expected to rise another 15%. That will come right out of the employees checks. The recent tax increases have decreased the money we have left over after paying all our costs to invest in additional equipment that would create additional jobs and job security. Obama making brash statements about business jets destroyed that jet market and forced me to cut production and reduce jobs which increased unemployment. The facts are the policies of this administration are destroying the incentives to ever take a chance and start a business. When the small businesses are all gone where do you think the taxes are going to come from. You are right, I deal with the facts every day and every day I find I am losing more and more. I am not alone. All small business owners are losing everyday. Pretty soon there will be alot fewer small businesses to create jobs. I guess that will be OK because Obama has promised everyone that the government will support them. When the money is gone it is gone and as I said above, that financial collapse will be the end of our democracy. I wish everyone would be a lot more pragmatic and deal with those facts.
CharlesBennett
January 18th, 2013
11:05 am
I am absolutely amazed at the lack of concern for our nation demonstrated by liberal/BO lovers. It’s as if the economic devastation that followed massive debt in so many countries in the EU didn’t occur. Apparently, the mindset of “OUR government (as long as it’s run by liberals) simply is incapable of destroying our economy with debt”. It’s always “we’ll be fine”, and “the debt is no big deal”… That is EXACTLY what the citizens of Greece, Portugal, Spain, etc., thought. They put too much faith in the ability of their elected politicians and look at where those countries are now. Credit ratings have tanked. 25%+ unemployment. No one will lend them money unless they provide a fiscally sane path.
It won’t be long before liberals are screaming about not receiving all the “free” (paid for by other people) stuff that they have voted for… because the money WILL run out.
Liberals keep saying, “you lost, deal with it”. Well libby’s, YOU are in for one hell of a surprise when the massive debt YOUR liberal politicians have created swallows all the tax revenue. THEN what? The gov will be paying off the debt and all those “freebies” will HAVE to be gutted. Starting with SS, Medicare, Welfare, Unemployment, etc…
It’s ironic, really. Liberals and their spending addiction are sending this country right down the path to the ultimate conservative fiscal policy known as Austerity. The liberal’s desire to spend, borrow, spend, borrow will eventually produce enormous cut backs, just to keep our gov out of bankruptcy.
The children of today will be looking squarely at YOU liberals when that debt begins to take its toll. They will be asking “Why in heck didn’t you do something about it BEFORE it got so large?” And what will you libs say to those kids? Or do you even give a hoot about kids anyway?
Ed
January 18th, 2013
11:06 am
yuzeyurbrane – I know you think that one man and one vote is the way we should elect our officials, but if you truly love America then rethink this action as it will destroy America! If you do away with the Electoral college then every single American who lives in a small state will become obsolete. Every election will be run by what the big states say and do, our voting system was designed so that all our votes count in a bigger way big state compared to little states! Look at the election of Obama the majority of states voted against him yet he won the states that counted. Also voter tampering is much more unlikely to happen in large amounts in this current system yet if you open it up then fraud will be rampant. Look what happen when we gave the popular vote to senators, states have lost their representation in congress which has caused more trouble in passing laws and has made congress much weaker they in fact are much weaker than they were. You say great I can live with the laws of New York or California but things change just 50 years ago Texas was a huge democratic state and California was republican. Just because you like how a state is run today doesn’t mean it will last and if you live in a small state your at the mercy of their voters. Just think about it!
DannyX
January 18th, 2013
11:06 am
“Man i feel like i am living in 2008 with how many on here keep using the blame Bush routine.”
joshua, you need to wake up from that nightmare. We’re not losing 800,000 jobs per month anymore, we are now creating jobs. No more -10% GDP, last year we again saw positive growth. The real estate market is recovering nicely now, home building was way up in December, a far cry from the collapse. Wall St has recovered, and businesses are reporting record profits.
Wake up!
TaxPayer
January 18th, 2013
11:07 am
Poor cons apparently are not partaking of the recovery. That’s too bad. Really. This market has been very good to me.
Loves Me Some Obama Kool-Aid
January 18th, 2013
11:07 am
Bird….perfect example of Liberal class…there at the end of your post. Pathetic that you represent so many millions who were fooled into voting for Obama.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 18th, 2013
11:07 am
Erwin’s cat
January 18th, 2013
10:56 am
Funny. More funny how a 20 year old “science” is predicting outcomes 50-100 years out. Nobody really knows what will happen but it is good we have skeptics that will eventually improve the validity of the progress to date….
Similarly, nobody really knows what is happening on the future of our economic mess….. we can guess all we want but the trends in spending, ability to tax our way out, and the fact that we will never return to the manufacturing base many think is temporarily absent, suggest no matter what either party suggests, none of same will change anything..
Fred ™
January 18th, 2013
11:09 am
TBone
January 18th, 2013
11:03 am
Yeah let’s keep fooling ourselves that there is absolutely no consequence to unlimited spending by the gubmint. We already borrow 40 cents for every dollar spent and the interest will only increase. Besides Obasma’s job council is bound to meet at some point and remedy this pathetic economy. I hear the Burger King and Ronald McDonald are the co-chairs of the august body.
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At least they are hiring. All your big daddy’s are sending jobs over seas.
Loves Me Some Obama Kool-Aid
January 18th, 2013
11:09 am
Charles, you are right. We must take our lumps now but when the chickens come home to roost, it will a tragic day for all Americans, not just Liberals.
td
January 18th, 2013
11:09 am
Fred ™
January 18th, 2013
11:02 am
Who in the heck builds these weapons? Are these people not working JOBS? What jobs do you think these people should have?
The chinese, the British, the Mexicans, the Canadians. THAT’S who build them silly. Not Americans, there’s no profit in Americans working…….. at least not while Obama is in office…….
Yes it is these other countries that build the F-22, F-35, M-1 tanks, M-16’s, missiles, drones. As a Conservative the good thing about cutting the military would be that we are doing away with more union jobs and weakening the Democratic base even more.
JL II
January 18th, 2013
11:10 am
I am a bad small business owner wah wah wah
Steve
January 18th, 2013
11:11 am
Where were you conservatives when your Republican leaders were spending like crazy? Where was the concern about the debt then? I don’t buy this latest propaganda nonsense. Like Fred S said, go take a BASIC macro economics class and then come back and discuss like intelligent adults. Just because someone told you ‘dat da debt be bad’ doesn’t make it a national crisis because Obama is in the White House and spending less than your GOP leaders.
RB from Gwinnett
January 18th, 2013
11:12 am
Steve, “Obama could walk on water & cure cancer …”
Why don’t you go ahead and give him credit for that too, Steve. You’ve got your head so far up his arse already, another mindless accolade can’t be too far behind.
As to the questions of “Why blah blah blah Bush……?” Bush hasn’t been in office for over 4 years. Time to stop making excuses, show some leadership, and fix the problem. Obama ain’t up for the task. Period.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 18th, 2013
11:12 am
DannyX
January 18th, 2013
11:06 am
Small steps but I think the metrics are suspect, particularly the unemployment numbers utilized. Record corporate profits are a good thing for the stock market since retaining these earnings as opposed to risking new investment domestically is best bet. Apple is holding on to over 100 billion in cash which is projected to get close to 200 billion next year..
Mick
January 18th, 2013
11:12 am
rb
Freebie checks? Never collected one red cent of welfare or food stamps my whole life but I don’t begrudge those that are in need. For the gazillionith time, I will shed no tears for the rich and the four extra pennies of tax on the dollar they will be paying – they damn well can afford it and behind closed doors they mock all you water carriers – pathetic…
TaxPayer
January 18th, 2013
11:12 am
except for climatology
Cite your evidence.
barking frog
January 18th, 2013
11:12 am
Why must we have one soldier on foreign soil ?
Steve
January 18th, 2013
11:15 am
RB – Obama is showing plenty of leadership, but if Congress refuses to cooperate, what can he do? I think he’s done all he can do and you can google his accomplishments. You do know how to that, right?
Remember – the House holds the purse strings. The House controls spending.
Reality
January 18th, 2013
11:15 am
Why even bother to point fingers now? No one can really change history. Calling names is only a childish endevor.
The focus needs to be on the upcoming BUDGET. This is the plan, approved by Congress (not the President), for spending. If you and/or we want to decrease spending, THIS is where the focus needs to be.
Email your Congressmen about the BUDGET to decrease spending. This is where Congressmen are famous for inserting their special interest ‘pork’ that wastes money.
Dick Cheney's Pacemaker
January 18th, 2013
11:15 am
“Deficits Don’t Matter” until a Democrat is in the White House then, wah wah wah wah
Welcome to the Occupation
January 18th, 2013
11:16 am
Loves Me Some Obama Kool-Aid: “When Conservatives point out (rightly) that Obama has no plan for solving the fiscal crisis”
A little rich, don’t ya think, considering that it was polices very close to Bush that were the very cause of the financial collapse that led to the huge pressures on the budget?
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 18th, 2013
11:17 am
After reviewing Krauthammer’s comments, his clear position is as follows: If President Obama will be blamed, then crash the economy. However, if Republicans will be blamed, then do not crash the economy.
THIS is your modern Republican Party.
Very well put
Jay
January 18th, 2013
11:17 am
“Funny. More funny how a 20 year old “science” is predicting outcomes 50-100 years out. Nobody really knows what will happen but it is good we have skeptics that will eventually improve the validity of the progress to date….”
And yet, what this science began predicting back in the early ’80s has come true almost exactly.
It warned of rising temperatures: Check.
Melting glaciers and polar regions: Check.
Increase in weather volatility: Check.
For some three decades you and others have pooh-poohed the accuracy of these scientists and the work, and for three decades they have been proved right and your skepticism has been proved wrong.
Jm
January 18th, 2013
11:17 am
Krugman is a Sith Lord
Fred ™
January 18th, 2013
11:17 am
CharlesBennett
January 18th, 2013
11:05 am
And what will you libs say to those kids? Or do you even give a hoot about kids anyway?
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Hopefully the libs will have taught their children how to think for themselves and not be complete moronic FXOBOT/Talk radio repeaters who lack the brains to separate truth from lies. Hopefully the lib kids will be bright enough to know that Greece has been a 3rd world Country for over 2500 years and to try to compare their economy to ours is BEYOND STUPID. Something that only someone who lacks the ability to think and parrots FOXBOT lies would do.
Hopefully the “libs” will teach their children about Josef Goebbels and propaganda, about demonizing a “group” to blame all the problems on rather than solve the problems. ‘If we just kill THOSE people, that 47% everything will be alright.”
Thank god there are few folks like you left. Unfortunately a large majority of the ignorant minority live here in Georgia and we are subject to your never ending lies, fear mongering and senseless blatherings………
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 18th, 2013
11:18 am
barking frog
January 18th, 2013
11:12 am
No reason whatsoever. At least from a taxpayers perspective.
GT
January 18th, 2013
11:18 am
Itchy Finger and with your dribble you say the hell with America, but the GOP has been in that posture ever since you found you couldn’t carry an election any more. That is the reason the polls are in the low teens, you say to hell with America and America says to hell with you.
Jm
January 18th, 2013
11:19 am
Climatology has more cred than Econ
Though even climatology has challenges
Desperado
January 18th, 2013
11:19 am
Jm: you wrote “He has already violated the law by not delivering a budget to congress by the constitutional deadline.” What deadline are you talking about? I don’t see one in the Constitution. Perhaps you could help out by citing the Article and Section. Surely, you must know it, unless, of course, you are one of those who have never actually read the Constitution for which they claim to be the self-appointed protectors.
joshua
January 18th, 2013
11:19 am
@DANNYX You don’y honestly believe that do you. How well do you suppose the job market is doing creating the same amount of jobs 13 months in a row? Let me ask you this if the job market is doing so well why is there over 150,000 people on long term unemployment, meaning they ran out of their allotment and are seeking more from the goverment directly? Sorry but no we are not even creating enough jobs to keep up with population expansion so really there have been no gains in the last 4 years. The housing market bubble as you put it is nothing to brag about either lol it has been shitty for so long you see a 1-2 month improvement and your aboard the “wow look how good we are” train. Now i remember stocks/wallstreet not even 2 weeks ago opening much lower then norm and i also remember several economist saying how we are going to lose any gains we made due to Obama allowing the payroll tax cut to expire but hey i guess you didn’t see your check shrink this month. Again all the issues we face today are due to the decisions of the president and we are not in anyway in good standings. So in light of that i look forward to reading about wars on credit cards, tax cuts for the wealthy even though Obama renewed them etc. and how none of this would be happening if Bush wasn’t president and the GOP were not around
TaxPayer
January 18th, 2013
11:20 am
JL,
I am not a Republican and I invest in companies that employ tens of thousands of people–companies that have provided access to health care for their employees for decades and have somehow managed to make a profit regardless of the added cost. I’m sure I would not invest in your mismanaged company were you to take it public given your admission that you cannot figure out how to prosper while simultaneously caring adequately for your employees. I sincerely wish your employees better.
RB from Gwinnett
January 18th, 2013
11:20 am
Mick, “they damn well can afford it”
It takes one pretty damn arrogant jerk to make that claim without a single shred of knowledge about the finances of the people you speak about.
“Freebie checks? Never collected one red cent of welfare or food stamps my whole life” At least when people make that assumption about you, Mick, it doesn’t cost you thousands of dollars you may or may not have. Your arrogant as hell assuption cost “other people” money. Always. It’s the liberal way.
appleseed
January 18th, 2013
11:20 am
moonwalk analogous to crawfishing?just asking you republicans set on your way or no way.
Reality
January 18th, 2013
11:21 am
Any President is limited to what they can do beyond an “executive order.”
A President can attempt to negotiate behind closed doors. President Obama has tried this in the past (early his first term). It did not go well. Many congressmen thought they could bully this “new” President, but it did not work.
A President can go directly to the people so that the people then communicate to their respective congressmen. This was made famous by Reagan. He was great at giving speeches to the American people which then convinced Congress to go along. Whenever President Obama attempts this approach, the con repubs claim/complain that he is ’still campaigning’.
Now, the President is simply saying that the American people have clearly stated their will through the last election (and also through the current polls on issues). What else does Congress need to hear?
Fred ™
January 18th, 2013
11:22 am
td
January 18th, 2013
11:09 am
Fred ™
January 18th, 2013
11:02 am
Who in the heck builds these weapons? Are these people not working JOBS? What jobs do you think these people should have?
The chinese, the British, the Mexicans, the Canadians. THAT’S who build them silly. Not Americans, there’s no profit in Americans working…….. at least not while Obama is in office…….
Yes it is these other countries that build the F-22, F-35, M-1 tanks, M-16’s, missiles, drones. As a Conservative the good thing about cutting the military would be that we are doing away with more union jobs and weakening the Democratic base even more.
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It’s always some evil “group” with you fearful little people isn’t it? the boogey man is “the evil union. No the boogeyman is the “evil lib.” no the boogey man is those “47 percent moochers.” No the boogey man is………. hell who can keep up with all your fears and boogeymen.
Hey do some research on BAE there td. Open your mind, Rush won’t tell you about them……..
Jay
January 18th, 2013
11:24 am
JL, you seem to forget that health-care premiums have been outpacing inflation for a long long time, long before ObamaCare passed. Indeed, one of the spurs to final passage of ObamaCare was the announcement by a major insurer that it was jacking up premiums by some 25-30 percent.
You also seem to ignore the documented reality that the federal tax burden on businesses and individuals both is very low when compared to the post-war history. I wish you and your business and its employees all the best, but projecting all of your difficulties onto somebody else does not seem all that helpful.
barking frog
January 18th, 2013
11:25 am
Stevie Ray
and yet neither party has any proposal to diminish our
worldwide military presence and presently is entering
a war in Mali against Islamic rebels…..
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 18th, 2013
11:25 am
Jay
January 18th, 2013
11:17 am
Wow, Jay that’s some track record..which is debatable BTW..especially in the last 10 years. Anyhow, no disputing that the science is not proven for any of us to know what is going to happen..one thing for certain, predictions 50 years from now
Your a smart guy. As such, you know that skeptism is the foundation of any scientific hypothesis so I’m surprised you don’t welcome it…that’s what real scientist do…
So in the late eighties and early 90’s computer modeling became available…how many variables have they been measuring for the last 20 years?
How you and others can completely put all your eggs in this basket at this stage in the science makes no sense. The only explanation is party dogma…its’ just not cool to be in your camp and question anything..
Fred ™
January 18th, 2013
11:25 am
appleseed
January 18th, 2013
11:20 am
moonwalk analogous to crawfishing?
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Dang, thanks for the reminder. Southern Seafood said they were getting live crawfish in this week, I need to check.
Steve
January 18th, 2013
11:26 am
Oct 2, 2008
In 2002, Vice-President Dick Cheney and the Bush administration’s economic team met to discuss a second round of tax cuts, which would follow Bush’s 2001 cuts. At the meeting, “then-Treasury Secretary Paul H. O’Neill pleaded that the government — already running a $158 billion deficit — was careening toward a fiscal crisis.” Allegedly, Cheney replied by saying that “deficits don’t matter.”
Six years later, the Bush administration’s consistent belief that deficits don’t matter has increased the national debt to over $10 trillion. This is the highest dollar amount ever, and pushes the debt to 69% of the gross domestic product, which is the highest percentage since 1955.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
Peadawg
January 18th, 2013
11:26 am
pooh-poohed, Jay? Nice. That made me giggle.
Erwin's cat
January 18th, 2013
11:26 am
Stevie@ 11:07
Similarly, nobody really knows what is happening on the future of our economic mess….. we can guess all we want but the trends in spending, ability to tax our way out, and the fact that we will never return to the manufacturing base many think is temporarily absent, suggest no matter what either party suggests, none of same will change anything..
sadly I agree
RB from Gwinnett
January 18th, 2013
11:27 am
“For some three decades you and others have pooh-poohed the accuracy of these scientists and the work, and for three decades they have been proved right and your skepticism has been proved wrong.”
Yea, Jay. That’s why they had to stop calling it global warming and start calling it climate change when the data stopped supporting the never ending warming. Now you have us blaming every last storm on the phenomenon even though you all know darn well there have been storms from the beginning of time.
Tell us some more stories about how Bush’s bad environmental policies caused the warming after the ice age killed all the dinosaurs. That’s always a favorite.
landrmc
January 18th, 2013
11:28 am
JL,
Uh, adjust your prices?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 18th, 2013
11:29 am
Reality continues to disprove the claims of the extreme right wingnuts over and over again on every front and yet they cling to their fantasies and conspiracies. So very very sad
RB from Gwinnett
January 18th, 2013
11:31 am
“but projecting all of your difficulties onto somebody else does not seem all that helpful.”
Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush….
Geez…
Jay
January 18th, 2013
11:31 am
“Wow, Jay that’s some track record..which is debatable BTW..especially in the last 10 years.
No, it is not debatable, and in fact is LESS debatable in the last 10 years. Eight of the nine hottest years on record have come since 2000, and the two hottest years on record — in a virtual tie — occurred in 2005 and 2010.
GT
January 18th, 2013
11:31 am
Science to the right is like a lie detector to a theft. Facts tangle up what they are up to so they just say they don’t believe in the facts and live for today. Then they talk about grandchildren yet get mad when O brings children into his conversation as a symbol of the future and how he is protecting it. They get mad when O brings religion into a conversation like they own that too. I haven’t’ quiet figured out what O can say they don’t get mad about, that is their whole stick stay mad and maybe O will go away, maybe the facts will too. Ain’t going to happen, not when you got a 14% approval rating and heading fast for single digits, but there we go again with facts, silly us.
RB from Gwinnett
January 18th, 2013
11:31 am
“but projecting all of your difficulties onto somebody else does not seem all that helpful.”
Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush….
Geez…
Hypocrit in Chief
January 18th, 2013
11:31 am
“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies… America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”
Barack Obama – 2006
barking frog
January 18th, 2013
11:31 am
Climate change does not matter because no one can undo
what has been done or alter the present to affect the future.
Erwin's cat
January 18th, 2013
11:32 am
Jay – For some three decades you and others have pooh-poohed the accuracy of these scientists and the work, and for three decades they have been proved right and your skepticism has been proved wrong
can you link me to successful hindcasting of those models? My google is broken
Living With Open Eyes
January 18th, 2013
11:32 am
Everybody can write all the figures down they want to, and argue until the end of time about whose numbers are right. But until we bring good paying manufacturing jobs back for the 49%, reliance on handouts will never go away and nobody will ever balance the budget. Capitalists who are invested in foreign manufacturing should have to take it on the chin and invest in American manufacturing. The federal government should charge high preventative tariffs on foreign products. Or we can print money and hand it out to the jobless. If we don’t want to provide jobs or handouts for the 49% we had better build ovens like Hitler did because those 49% will murder,rob, or steal to stay alive.
Reality
January 18th, 2013
11:32 am
RB from Gwinnett -
I wish that you and other would STOP with your labels and discuss ISSUES. If you have an idea, it is just an idea. It isn’t liberal, it isn’t conservative, it isn’t right, it isn’t wrong, it is just an idea!
You and others slap a label on something in an effort to discredit it. That is very childish. If you disagree with it, clearly and simply state why you disagree with it. That is the mature way to handle it.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 18th, 2013
11:32 am
Jay
January 18th, 2013
11:24 am
I hope we go to single payor soon..the quicker we get there the better.
Average family premiums will increase between 15 to 18K based on current actuarial models i’ve seen. Even assuming those projections are at the mean and we ramp up confidence at 95% (5% chance they are wrong) the number is still staggering.
I don’t trust the CBO for 5 or 10 year projections..not that they are not competent, but the economic growth assumptions and not factoring a margin of error, say for the inevitable unexpected expense (say war, interest expense blah blah blah)render a decision making process based on those numbers more than suspect..
Georgia
January 18th, 2013
11:33 am
Inflationary debt deal coming?
Redcoat
January 18th, 2013
11:34 am
Is the gop still in power?…….who own it now? ……anyone?
Fred ™
January 18th, 2013
11:34 am
Wow RB, your 11:27 was particularly silly. There is no doubt that we are experiencing global warming. Only a complete utter brain washed idiot would try to dispute that. Where the ‘discussion” amongst intelligent folks comes in is how much of a cause we, human, are to it and what if anything we can do to reverse or slow it down………….
You talk radio listening FOXBOTS are so eager to jump to the polar opposite of what any “librul” says that you often fail to pull your head out of your rear long enough to see what it is you are “opposing.”
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 18th, 2013
11:34 am
Climate change does not matter because no one can undo what has been done or alter the present to affect the future.
Sure I mean we had rivers that caught on fire and Love Canal and more environmental disasters….we can do nothing to stop that and to clean up our waterways and air.
And of course there is nothing we can do to stop contributing to climate change. 
Redcoat
January 18th, 2013
11:35 am
* owns
Fred ™
January 18th, 2013
11:37 am
barking frog
January 18th, 2013
11:31 am
Climate change does not matter because no one can undo
what has been done or alter the present to affect the future.
+++++++++++++++++++++
We don’t know that Mr. Frog.
barking frog
January 18th, 2013
11:38 am
Keep Up
and yet climate change continues unabated……..according to science.
Dick Cheney's Pacemaker
January 18th, 2013
11:38 am
“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies… America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”
Barack Obama – 2006
–
that young whippersnapper was making a point because me and Bushie kept war spending off the books. so we were asking congress to raise the debt ceiling to pay for debts congress didnt approve nor even know about about, who/what/where or how much.
TaxPayer
January 18th, 2013
11:40 am
can you link me to successful hindcasting of those models?
Can you link to your claim of unsuccessful hindcasting because my google’s not broken.
Redcoat
January 18th, 2013
11:40 am
Who controls the sun now?……..anyone? …and why did they “change” it ?
barking frog
January 18th, 2013
11:40 am
Fred ™
Of course we know that otherwise we would be doing something
that would have affected climate change…….
Mick
January 18th, 2013
11:40 am
rb
You truly are a rube, someone who knows nothing of the wealthy, yet you will say thank you sir, may I carry another? Beyond pathetic! You tools are so worried about their riches, but they’re not because they have people like you to do all the whining and moaning…
Fred ™
January 18th, 2013
11:42 am
Hypocrit in Chief
January 18th, 2013
11:31 am
“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies… America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”
Barack Obama – 2006
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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat history. Edmund Burke
Obama remembers a past mistake and learned from it. What’s YOUR stupid point? Oh wait, you don’t know. You are just repeating Rush or Sean……… or probably both as they say the same things……
The other half of your brain.
January 18th, 2013
11:42 am
Well it didn’t take long for JamitVet to bring RACE into the blog. Please oh Please, go take your MEDS.
stands for decibels
January 18th, 2013
11:42 am
Keep putting forth no effort while cashing those freebie checks
Keep assuming facts not in evidence about those who disagree with you. 14%? do I hear 13%?
Welcome to the Occupation
January 18th, 2013
11:44 am
Reality: ” If you have an idea, it is just an idea. It isn’t liberal, it isn’t conservative, it isn’t right, it isn’t wrong, it is just an idea!
You and others slap a label on something in an effort to discredit it. ”
That’s what ideology does. It provides rubes with a little container, where they can neatly place the various phenomena in the world around them that agitate their minds. It lets them put their addled minds at rest.
Rubes don’t think. They only watch for the positions that FOX News takes and start labeling accordingly.
A rube strictly speaking is mute until FOX tells him what is “liberal” and thus to be opposed.
Jm
January 18th, 2013
11:44 am
Desperado
Combination of the 20th amendment and a 1921 law created the first budget deadline
Erwin's cat
January 18th, 2013
11:44 am
Can you link to your claim of unsuccessful hindcasting because my google’s not broken.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/12/05/new-peer-reviewed-paper-shows-just-how-bad-the-climate-models-are/#more-28898
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 18th, 2013
11:45 am
Well Frog, we have yet to control mankinds contributions to climate change.
But you conveniently ignore what we have accomplished with rivers and land within our own country. We have the ability. Its time to implement and show the will to make the changes needed. If we had addressed these issues 30 years ago as many tried, perhaps we would already be seeing the positive changes.
When have so many Americans become such quitters?
Jm
January 18th, 2013
11:45 am
Desperado
Google is your friend
TaxPayer
January 18th, 2013
11:48 am
Given Republican’s concession that they cannot even do anything about guns, it is no wonder that they have also thrown up their hands to doing anything about anything. They are the do-nothings for good reason. How they manage to accomplish each breath is surely nothing short of miraculous or at least it best be given that they don’t do math or science.
The other half of your brain.
January 18th, 2013
11:48 am
Jay
January 18th, 2013
11:17 am
“Funny. More funny how a 20 year old “science” is predicting outcomes 50-100 years out. Nobody really knows what will happen but it is good we have skeptics that will eventually improve the validity of the progress to date….”
And yet, what this science began predicting back in the early ’80s has come true almost exactly.
It warned of rising temperatures: Check.
Melting glaciers and polar regions: Check.
Increase in weather volatility: Check.
For some three decades you and others have pooh-poohed the accuracy of these scientists and the work, and for three decades they have been proved right and your skepticism has been proved wrong.
” Our scientists have history & data that goes back Millions of years and the libs are worried about 10 years, how pathetic.
Al Whore is still laughing all the way to the bank.
RB from Gwinnett
January 18th, 2013
11:48 am
Reality, “You and others slap a label on something in an effort to discredit it.”
From Mick – “You truly are a rube,”
From Fred – “You talk radio listening FOXBOTS”
Gee, Reality, I don’t seem to notice you chastising any of your fellow liberals for anything. Could it be you only have contempt for those who dare oppose the liberal crisis ofthe the day?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 18th, 2013
11:48 am
TaxPayer
January 18th, 2013
11:40 am
Here you go..also, bear in mind that critics have not gotten many research grants lately but that trend hopefully is changing course:
Why are you guys so afraid of healthy skeptism? That’s science so supporting early hypotheses without continued challenge suggest you are not a science guy..after all since you esponge the most important part of the scientific process..
http://fabiusmaximus.com/2012/02/03/34885/
stands for decibels
January 18th, 2013
11:50 am
Obama remembers a past mistake and learned from it.
Moreover: This incessant need by some to re-post that 2006 Obama quote is quite telling.
It indicates that such people seem to think that they’ve got a magic bullet answer to accusations that the GOP is being irresponsible; it indicates that they think their opposition has never heard the quote, or are somehow deeply ashamed of it; it indicates, moreover, that they think their opposition can’t distinguish between a symbolic vote cast by a freshman Senator, and a years-long campaign of threatening to blow up the economy.
barking frog
January 18th, 2013
11:50 am
Keep Up
You fail to recognize that the improvements mentioned are
environmental short term and do not address climate change
and the climate scientists have not outlined a program
to affect climate change and many are not convinced that
it can be reversed.
Mick
January 18th, 2013
11:51 am
rb
Nice of you to acknowledge your reality…
Fred ™
January 18th, 2013
11:52 am
barking frog
January 18th, 2013
11:40 am
Fred ™
Of course we know that otherwise we would be doing something
that would have affected climate change…….
+++++++++++++++
Negative Mr. Frog. Groupsare trying to reduce greenhouse gases and carbon footprints and stuff like that. We are researching.
You might have given up but we haven’t.
stands for decibels
January 18th, 2013
11:53 am
The more moreover the merrier? feh. sorry about that rhetorical redundancy, @ 11.50
Joe Hussein Mama
January 18th, 2013
11:53 am
Doom — “I got my Series 7 back.Knocked out it and the 63 last week.”
Good on ya! Congrats!
Now you must only use your new powers for GOOD.
Never4getW
January 18th, 2013
11:53 am
Have any of you conservative geniuses thought about how many people we will have on Military Retirement in the coming years b/c of their injuries? Do you think that will be free?
Do you really think getting rid of government agencies and programs will save money? Those are jobs that don’t pay much, but that money goes into the economy, not into a CEO’s offshore account.
Is emergency room care cheaper than a planned visit to a “small business” doctor?
BO is so much smarter than you….if you were smarter, you would be embarrassed,
The other half of your brain.
January 18th, 2013
11:54 am
stands for decibels
January 18th, 2013
11:50 am
Obama remembers a past mistake and learned from it.
Moreover: This incessant need by some to re-post that 2006 Obama quote is quite telling.
It indicates that such people seem to think that they’ve got a magic bullet answer to accusations that the GOP is being irresponsible; it indicates that they think their opposition has never heard the quote, or are somehow deeply ashamed of it; it indicates, moreover, that they think their opposition can’t distinguish between a symbolic vote cast by a freshman Senator, and a years-long campaign of threatening to blow up the economy.
” CODE, short version, it’s ok for Obama to say it and not ok for a con “
TBone
January 18th, 2013
11:54 am
Fred I suspect that you have quite the inflated opinion of your intellectual prowess. But you do understand that the gubmint does not create wealth; it has resorted to redistributing it. That can’t be sustained.
dbm
January 18th, 2013
11:54 am
RB from Gwinnett
January 18th, 2013
11:27 am
The point has always been that the average temperature of the Earth is increasing over the years and that this will have a variety of effects on climate, including an increase in various kinds of extreme weather. The data has continued to support this, more and more as time passes. The term “global warming” emphasized the underlying process and the term “climate change” is more general. They do not represent a contradiction or a change in position. The point is not that every last storm is due to this process, but that the increase, in the long run, in the number and severity of storms is.
barking frog
January 18th, 2013
11:56 am
Fred ™
You might have given up but we haven’t.
…………………………………………….
I quit smoking. Keep up was right, I am a quitter.
appleseed
January 18th, 2013
11:56 am
All this rain has to be Obama’s fault.How else we get black ice?
Yeah Fred and the Jolly R has the fresh crawfish also.
Steve
January 18th, 2013
11:56 am
Do conservatives have selective memory or what?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 18th, 2013
11:56 am
Frog, the process is first to STOP making it worse and to reduce the man made component while answers to reduce are researched.
stands for decibels
January 18th, 2013
11:56 am
(used to have 16 employed to support 1 retiree…it will be 2:1 in no time)
Stevie, you know I don’t think you’re a total lost cause, but when you use a ridiculous worker : recipient ratio from the very start of the program in an effort to make it seem that SS is in some kind of “crisis,” you’re really not helping yourself.
GT
January 18th, 2013
11:57 am
Leadership failure….
Abe Lincoln was considered our best president by most observers yet he couldn’t convince the south to stay in the union. Do you consider that leadership failure or just immoral and stupid resistance from the opposition? This is very similar; a cloister of minority fanatics with mostly hidden agendas of immorality sabotages the country for their selfishness. A president whether he be Lincoln or Obama should have the right to assume patriotism, and when the individual or state is above the well being of the country they have violated this pledge of patriotism. This is no more a leadership problem than a bank robber is a leadership problem caused by the police. If the police allow bank robbery they have no leadership failure and if Obama allows ransom demands for radical and anti American causes he has no leadership failure?
OedipusTax
January 18th, 2013
11:58 am
The inability of our government to live within its means is a historical disgrace.
Puny little pukes like Jay Bookman applauding the greed of government is obscene.
Obama voters are borrowing addicts that would rather spend for their addictions today, and let the future of our children be damned.
Jay Bookman, and malignant spenders like him and Obama, are going to bring hell to pay when the bill for their selfishness comes due.
barking frog
January 18th, 2013
11:59 am
Keep Up
and after 30 years of research what in the process has STOPPED ?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 18th, 2013
12:00 pm
JAY/TAXPAYER
Gee, do you remember blood letting, rain following the plow, heavier objects fall faster than lighter ones, there was a Harvard heart researcher in 1981 who faked data….NCI subsequently found each of his 200 papers materially flawed, cold fusion, Sagans erroneous climate data used for his “nuclear winter” forecast, electro-magnetic (power lines) link to cancer, NYT’s suggestion that an asteroid was gonna make the sky fall in 2028, breast implants causing cancer and of course Y2K…what if the scientific process of skepticism was suppressed on these issues?
Moderate Line
January 18th, 2013
12:00 pm
Jay
January 18th, 2013
11:17 am
“Funny. More funny how a 20 year old “science” is predicting outcomes 50-100 years out. Nobody really knows what will happen but it is good we have skeptics that will eventually improve the validity of the progress to date….”
And yet, what this science began predicting back in the early ’80s has come true almost exactly.
It warned of rising temperatures: Check.
Melting glaciers and polar regions: Check.
Increase in weather volatility: Check.
For some three decades you and others have pooh-poohed the accuracy of these scientists and the work, and for three decades they have been proved right and your skepticism has been proved wrong.
++++++
Jay, I believe that global warming is happening. Also, I believe that global warming is caused by humans.
But I also believe descent is important in politics and science. It is appropriate to say that climatologist have largely predicted what has occurring but using terms like “pooh-poohed” makes it look like authority whether science or politics is unquestionable. Yikes! I thought liberals believed in descent.
By making an argument personal you shift the focus from the facts to emotions and if the facts are on your side there is really no need to do that.
Here is a FACT worth considering despite drops in CO2 emission by the US emissions in the world CO2 emissions are still rising. Why? Because China is the worlds largest CO2 emitter and their CO2emissions are rising.
Europe cut CO2 emission by 1.9% while the US cut it by 1.7% while CO2 emissions rose globally by 3.2%.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/24/2011-global-co2-emissions-china_n_1542785.html
stands for decibels
January 18th, 2013
12:01 pm
Hey, you guys (and you know who you are) who feel compelled to quote someone else’s ENTIRE post, PLUS the name / date / time thingie?
’sup with that? It’s kind of annoying.
TaxPayer
January 18th, 2013
12:02 pm
In short, Erwin is apparently saddened by the fact that climate models are not capable of hindcasting the temperature in his kitchen thirty years ago.
Really, Erwin. Get a life.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 18th, 2013
12:03 pm
stands for decibels
January 18th, 2013
11:56 am
How you can miss the meaning behind that fact speaks volumes..
Read up on it..
getalife
January 18th, 2013
12:04 pm
Just another huge defeat for our cons.
Mick
January 18th, 2013
12:04 pm
oedipus
Break down the debt from the past decade please; we are all part of the same hypocrisy, just don’t think yours smells any better…
Joe Hussein Mama
January 18th, 2013
12:04 pm
RB — “As to the questions of “Why blah blah blah Bush……?” Bush hasn’t been in office for over 4 years. Time to stop making excuses, show some leadership, and fix the problem. Obama ain’t up for the task. Period.”
Corollary: GA Republicans have had *ten* years, so they’re not up to the task either.
Period.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 18th, 2013
12:07 pm
stands for decibels
January 18th, 2013
12:01 pm
Its tough to have data you don’t like given in double doses..:-)
Dick Cheney's Pacemaker
January 18th, 2013
12:08 pm
The first inauguration of Abraham Lincoln as the 16th President of the United States took place on March 4, 1861
On December 20, 1860, South Carolina became the first Southern state to declare its secession
Google, neocons shoud use it to debunk themselves and their spew
Erwin's cat
January 18th, 2013
12:08 pm
In short, Erwin is apparently saddened by the fact that climate models are not capable of hindcasting the temperature in his kitchen thirty years ago. Really, Erwin. Get a life.
not saddened by it all…but, if the model isn’t capable of hindcasting the temp in my kitchen 30 yrs ago, why should I believe what it forecasts 30 yrs from now?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 18th, 2013
12:09 pm
Frog, really? We have made improvements in energy efficiency, cleaning emissions. We are making progress in alternative energy. Normally you seem to have the ability to discuss matters seriously. I am surprised at your negative posts.
TaxPayer
January 18th, 2013
12:10 pm
Gee, do you remember blood letting, rain following the plow, heavier objects fall faster than lighter ones, there was a Harvard heart researcher in 1981 who faked data….NCI subsequently found each of his 200 papers materially flawed, cold fusion, Sagans erroneous climate data used for his “nuclear winter” forecast, electro-magnetic (power lines) link to cancer, NYT’s suggestion that an asteroid was gonna make the sky fall in 2028, breast implants causing cancer and of course Y2K…what if the scientific process of skepticism was suppressed on these issues?
Nope. Feel free to post links to individual topics and I’ll be happy to review and comment though.
Dick Cheney's Pacemaker
January 18th, 2013
12:11 pm
The republican controlled house and senate approved bush’s debt limit increases without question even though they didn’t even know what me and bushie were spending on the war, now that obama’s in the WHouse, all I see is incessant whining. I think thats why they conintue to lose, their argument is FALSE, Obama is good at exposing it thusly
Logical Dude
January 18th, 2013
12:12 pm
Charles Krauthammer quotes: “If we all cliff-dive, Obama gets to preside over yet another recession. It will wreck his second term… You think he wants a second term with a double-dip recession, 9 percent unemployment and a totally gridlocked Congress? ”
REALLY????
Someone wants to put the country, affecting millions of citizens, throwing people out of work, causing a crisis, for POLITICAL GAIN? (okay okay, they “walked it back”)
Seriously, this is such a stupid stupid (extra expletives removed before posting) logic chain that I can’t even comprehend it.
“Oh gee, how do we make the president look bad?” “Oh, how about we throw the country into economic turmoil! That’ll do it!” and someone is finally saying “well, you know, it might be bad for the country if you do that.” “oh wait, you’re right, there may be a political cost for ruining the country”
Jm
January 18th, 2013
12:12 pm
Economist.com
Obama disengaged from dealing with security threats
The man is adrift
No sail, no rudder
Regnad Kcin
January 18th, 2013
12:12 pm
“Gee, do you remember blood letting…”
Yup, and when better data came along, we developed better theories. Do you have some new data to share with us?
Jm
January 18th, 2013
12:14 pm
Obama has stood by as 50,000 have been killed in Syria
He has blood on his hands
Fred ™
January 18th, 2013
12:14 pm
TBone
January 18th, 2013
11:54 am
Fred I suspect that you have quite the inflated opinion of your intellectual prowess. But you do understand that the gubmint does not create wealth; it has resorted to redistributing it. That can’t be sustained.
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Thanks Neal, I heard you spew that line on your show 20 years ago………
Oh wait, that’s a puppet repeating it, sorry Neal.
And your point is what Tbone? Please regale us all with how your clever little talk radio phrase is germane to this discussion.
marge
January 18th, 2013
12:14 pm
Funny how Republicans and their Tea Party cohorts critcize the President for not “leading” when that was their goal from the beginning. Now, are you saying you were successful, or not??? In spite of their hatred, attempts to shut down his every agenda, the president has accomplished much. Look it up, lazy. Oh, I forgot. You won’t believe it unless it comes from FOX or some other Tea Party source. Oh, well. If the debt ceiling isn’t raised it WILL BE the fault of Republicans. Don’t you get it yet? You guys are not real popular among the masses? From an old song: “use your mentality, wake up to reality”. Huh?
Sten Deadio
January 18th, 2013
12:14 pm
All you have to know about “Vinny” is that he puts quotation marks around the word “president”.
He’s not the “president”, he is YOUR PRESIDENT! Obama is the president of YOU.
Choke on it, Vinny. Choke. On. It.
Because your cred goes right in the toilet when you telegraph your bias and engage in unhinged, reason-free yammer.
Hey, at least there are plenty of other xeno/homo/Islamophobes in there to keep you company…you can all echo each others’ biases, yelling louder and louder, until you feel better.
The rest of us will go on and handle our business WITHOUT all the crying.
Once again, you must understand that no matter how much you want to whine about the lack of toerance for hateful and racist beliefs, the Rightwing attempts to make bigotry a culturally accepted behavior (cough cough TEA PARTY! cough cough), it just ain’t gonna happen.
Go cry FOX News drone.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 18th, 2013
12:17 pm
Getting too nasty in here. Time for FUNNIES!
http://www.sportsgrid.com/ncaa-football/manti-teo-meme/
Oscar
January 18th, 2013
12:17 pm
The automatic cuts will kick in a couple of months from now. That is when the GOP should try to work something out as a comprimise. Not on the debt ceiling.
Fred ™
January 18th, 2013
12:17 pm
barking frog
January 18th, 2013
11:56 am
Fred ™
You might have given up but we haven’t.
…………………………………………….
I quit smoking. Keep up was right, I am a quitter.
++++++++++++++++++++++++
Great. Hiw long? I quit dipping a little over a year ago. I still crave it so bad sometimes it’s pathetic. My cousin quit smoking about 7-10 years ago. He said he also craves it dsometimes…….
Mick
January 18th, 2013
12:17 pm
jm
I’m sure you would be first in line to enlist with a war against syris, right? “All talk no action”, that’s so you…
getalife
January 18th, 2013
12:18 pm
jm,
Still lying?
Just stop.
JamVet
January 18th, 2013
12:18 pm
Just 26 percent of Americans have a positive view of the Republican Party…
THAT is depressing.
How in the name of (your favorite deity here) could it possibly be above 6%???
I guess because given the following quote, it means that there are still countless Americans with terminal cranial-rectal disease:
I would offer an alternate view that a big part of this is the fact that Democrats will always approve of anyone with a D behind his name, where Republicans don’t do the same.
At least the good news is that they are irrefutably imploding…
stands for decibels
January 18th, 2013
12:18 pm
SR @ 12.03: Read up on it? I have for quite a long time now. I’ve learned a lot about the program. Unique in many ways. Here’s what’s most amazing, to me, about it.
I do not believe there has ever, in American history, been a government funded program that foresaw future funding shortcomings and actually taxed individuals more to build up funding to pay for it them. Social Security has. And the thanks that those working men and women get for putting in more, in advance, to pay for the demographic bulge ahead, is to be told to expect cuts of one kind or another (but they all amount to cuts, whether it’s an accelerated retirement age hike or some cheesy recalc of the inflation index.)
Furthermore, Social Security has been a phenomenally effective and successful program and at the risk of going all “they hate us for our freedoms!” on you, I really do think that the plutocracy hates Social Security because it IS responsibly funded and administered, and extremely popular, AND a demonstration that the blather about government being some gross, inefficient beast that can’t help you is an absolute lie.
Furthermore, any internet dope who sees the word “Social Security” and kneejerks “Ponzi Scheme” or suchlike gets placed on my crap list, and gets treated with the kind of malice deserved. And Stevie, I ain’t saying *you’re* there (quite, yet) but when you reach in an AM radio talking point like the allegedly-scary worker ratio figure, you get a bit closer.
getalife
January 18th, 2013
12:19 pm
You cons are slipping.
Where are the constant scandals and hearings from the vast rw conspiracy?
This President is different.
Face it, he is a good President.
Fred ™
January 18th, 2013
12:20 pm
appleseed
January 18th, 2013
11:56 am
All this rain has to be Obama’s fault.How else we get black ice?
Yeah Fred and the Jolly R has the fresh crawfish also.
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What is the Jolly R? Is it a restaurant? Southern Seafood is a store that sells fresh seafood for me to cook lol. Well they also will cook some up, but mainly they are a “butchershop” for seafood.
Does Jolly R sell live crawfish that I can take home and cook like a real Cajun?
barking frog
January 18th, 2013
12:20 pm
Keep Up
The negativity stems from the voiced urgency and yet nearly
total inactivity on climate change. Science has clearly stated
the urgency but is either powerless or not concerned enough
to instigate changes that have a certain solution.
barking frog
January 18th, 2013
12:21 pm
Later. The blog is boinked.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 18th, 2013
12:23 pm
OedipusTax: “The inability of our government to live within its means is a historical disgrace. / Puny little pukes like Jay Bookman applauding the greed of government is obscene.”
Come on Bircher boy, off that high horse. You’ve swallowed the meme put out there by the wealthy elite interests hook line and sinker.
This is the wealthiest country in the world. And we do not have a spending problem. What we have is a crisis of the political economy rooted in the overtaking of productive capital by financial capital, nothing less than a nasty and historic crisis of capitalism itself.
Fred ™
January 18th, 2013
12:23 pm
stands for decibels
January 18th, 2013
12:01 pm
Hey, you guys (and you know who you are) who feel compelled to quote someone else’s ENTIRE post, PLUS the name / date / time thingie?
’sup with that? It’s kind of annoying.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Not everyone is as clever as you and they don’t remember their words (especially the talk radio/FOXBOTS). Also since most of them are repeating talkradio/FOXBOT lines and there are often several posts saying the exact same thing, it helps to keep the dumb asses separated.
Besides, it’s easier than formatting every damn post.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 18th, 2013
12:25 pm
Frog, science is responsible to make these changes? Try our politicians and our industry. And of course, you are ignoring the impact of a radical wingnut agenda ginned up by profiteers like the Kochs who would have to change their business practices and who are industries that would be adversely impacted. We have seen this history repeated over and over again.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 18th, 2013
12:26 pm
Jm: “Obama has stood by as 50,000 have been killed in Syria / He has blood on his hands”
Oh so you WANT intervention now?
I see.
stands for decibels
January 18th, 2013
12:27 pm
Not everyone is as clever as you
Really? they’re not?
We are well and truly screwn, then.
TaxPayer
January 18th, 2013
12:28 pm
A little more reply to Erwin’s link from 2010. Had to do some digging there didn’t ya dude.
Fred ™
January 18th, 2013
12:28 pm
Jm
January 18th, 2013
12:14 pm
Obama has stood by as 50,000 have been killed in Syria
He has blood on his hands
+++++++++++++++++++++
When the hell did we become responsible for Syria? The SYRIANS have blood on THEIR hands, not obama.
Jesus you post more and more insipid stuff as the day goes on. Are you drinking/
Jm
January 18th, 2013
12:28 pm
Air support to stop the slaughter
Welcome
I have never been an isolationist
indigo
January 18th, 2013
12:28 pm
What’s a poor Republican politician to do?
His Big Business masters are ordering one thing.
His constitutents are ordering another thing.
His Business masters threaten to cut off the campaign money, or else!
His constitutents threaten to not vote for him, or else!
NO MORE!!!
This quandry is just soooooooo heartbreaking.
Granny Godzilla
January 18th, 2013
12:29 pm
Not having read the previous pages…did the anti-tyranny crowd spill their plans
for dealing with their representatives caving on the debt ceiling?
Seriously you anti-tyrannists need to get your own house in order, don’t ya’ think?
tee hee hee
Steve
January 18th, 2013
12:32 pm
We have starved government (not enough revenue via the lowest tax rates in 60 years). We have spending focused on wars and waste and pork. We don’t spend where we can create jobs and we whine that we don’t have jobs and not enough tax revenue because people are out of work. We give CEOs milion dollar parachutes when companies fail, and we pay them exorbitantly otherwise. We have let the very wealthy manipulate the masses via non-existent wedge issues (Obama will take all your guns! Gays marrying will ruin your marriage!) to gain conservative votes. WE ARE A MESS
Sten Deadio
January 18th, 2013
12:32 pm
TBone says: “…But you do understand that the gubmint does not create wealth; it has resorted to redistributing it. That can’t be sustained.”
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Oh, really? I guess you never heard of Halliburton, Blackwater, Boeing, Verizon, General Electric, or the many many Fortune 500 companies who are on that list thanks to “gubmint” largesse.
You< imbecile.
Itchy Finger
January 18th, 2013
12:32 pm
GT
Itchy Finger and with your dribble you say the hell with America, but the GOP has been in that posture ever since you found you couldn’t carry an election any more. That is the reason the polls are in the low teens, you say to hell with America and America says to hell with you.
No actually I said to hell with Obama… You may need to wipe the foam off your face so you can comprehend a little before before replying… The country defaulting is not a bad thing…
RB from Gwinnett
January 18th, 2013
12:32 pm
Stands, “Keep assuming facts not in evidence about those who disagree with you. 14%? do I hear 13%?”
Aren’t you guys (Mick) making assumptions about the rich people he hates so much? That “they can afford it” routine makes a whole lot of assumptions you’re not qualified to make.
Here’s something I think it’s safe for you to “assume”. Those rich people aren’t going to forgo their vacation so you can get a few thousand more people out of paying taxes. They’re going to continue to do what they need to do to get a return on their investment of time and money and if that means sending jobs to less expensive labor pools, that’s what they’ll do. When you end up living with mom/dad/your kids because we’ve become Europe, I know you’ll blame the rich for that too, but it’ll be your own fault.
Steve
January 18th, 2013
12:32 pm
We have starved government (not enough revenue via the lowest tax rates in 60 years). We have spending focused on wars and waste and pork. We don’t spend where we can create jobs and we whine that we don’t have jobs and not enough tax revenue because people are out of work. We give CEOs milion dollar parachutes when companies fail, and we pay them exorbitantly otherwise. We have let the very wealthy manipulate the masses via non-existent wedge issues (Obama will take all your guns! Gays marrying will ruin your marriage!) to gain conservative votes. WE ARE A MESS
Welcome to the Occupation
January 18th, 2013
12:33 pm
Jm: “Air support to stop the slaughter”
We and our allies are actively trying to topple the Assad regime. Stopping the slaughter doesn’t seem to be a major concern.
GT
January 18th, 2013
12:33 pm
The inability of our government to live within its means is a historical disgrace.
Historical is a factual misrepresentation.
The real disgrace is a Congress which enacts the approval of spending money by law and then holds the country hostage when the invoice comes, like they have no obligation to pay bills they have by law made themselves responsible to pay. If you want to cut spending no one is stopping you pass laws to do such but don’t take back what you have approved because it is political expedient to your unpopular causes.
You talk about using children by Obama? You are using 300 million American, children are just part and parcel of you demon plot.
makers vs takers
January 18th, 2013
12:34 pm
Yea, we won! Country headed right down the toliet, but Yea we won. A conservative citizen will always be more valuabel than you liberal puke heads! Liberals will get what is coming to them one day, and it will be delivered by the Liberal leaders! Once power has been consolidated and the libveral sheep are no longer needed, they will be removed from society, and this is how it will be explained, ” Certainly you understand the need for you to die, you have been getting so much for free for so long, how can you complain”. Ho-ho, better become an individual and not a member of a group. Better go to work (not a gov’t taker job). You will be the first to go as gov’t needs private sector workers like me to buy your vote with. Boogerman and others are so doomed!
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 18th, 2013
12:35 pm
Appropos of everything..
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.”
Groucho Marx
guy
January 18th, 2013
12:35 pm
Adding more and more in debt is a looming disaster. Just because one has the power to enact what they want does not mean they are right. To all parties,this spending frenzy will stop one way or another. Bush started it and obama has taken it to another level. The wars were not his fault but why won’t someone take a stand and at least cut out the mountain of wasteful spending? It seems that both parties are doing things in spite of the other. That is so ridiculous and they are all wrong for what they have done and continue to do.
George McCulley
January 18th, 2013
12:36 pm
The Republican concern with debt is valid. The problem lies in their solutions. Cutting entitlements only treats the symptoms, not the cause. To attack the cause, there is one readily apparent solution: control health care spending. The easiest way to better control health care costs is a public option insurance exchange that private insurances will have to compete with. It’s allows pure market forces to work, instead of continuing to shield private insurance companies.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 18th, 2013
12:36 pm
Granny, the Dawners and the other GOP conned have been surprisingly restrained overall on this blog regarding the caving….other that a few who seem to have run away after the typical failed leader stupidity.
Fred ™
January 18th, 2013
12:37 pm
No granny, all they said was ‘Obama sucks.” And then about 10 of them quoted Obama and his vote of no onthe 2006 debt ceiling.
There were the 50 or so “libs suck and Obama sucks and is a tyrant” posts.
15 or 20 Jay sucks posts.
A short discussion on the fact there is no global warning.
Obama is a murderer because there are dead people in Syria.
Um there was more, but nothing on the republican plans for the debt ceiling.
MUSFAHI
January 18th, 2013
12:38 pm
WE SHOULD NOT QUESTION OUR SUPREME LEADER!
guy
January 18th, 2013
12:38 pm
makers vs. takers,
Thank you. Love reading the truth!
Mick
January 18th, 2013
12:38 pm
rb
Talk about assumptions, who said anything about hating the rich? Follow this logic – they have more money, they can pay more taxes, got it???
Christian Conservative
January 18th, 2013
12:39 pm
Aquagirl:
Obama obviously cares. He blames everyone but himself for everything… You must live in isolation???
Oscar
January 18th, 2013
12:39 pm
Congress should make it illegal to draw up house districts based on past voting patterns. Stop gerrymandering for political and partisian purposes. That practice distorts our democracy and preverts the system of equal representation.
TaxPayer
January 18th, 2013
12:39 pm
And finally a little something to educate the unenlightened such as our very own Erwin on climate models. Yes, I still hold out hope for the cons.
Granny Godzilla
January 18th, 2013
12:40 pm
Keep
Bout damn time….did I see some knucklehead actually post that defaulting is not a bad thing?
Fred ™
January 18th, 2013
12:40 pm
Here’s something I think it’s safe for you to “assume”. Those rich people aren’t going to forgo their vacation so you can get a few thousand more people out of paying taxes. They’re going to continue to do what they need to do to get a return on their investment of time and money and if that means sending jobs to less expensive labor pools, that’s what they’ll do. When you end up living with mom/dad/your kids because we’ve become Europe, I know you’ll blame the rich for that too, but it’ll be your own fault.
Gotta love it. When rich folks have to shoulder their burden as Americans they will just send jobs to slave labor markets, off shore their money and tell you to eat cake.
In a nutshell RB has outlined the Republican economic plan. Starve Americans until WE will work as slave labor and are humble enough to kiss their asses and then MAYBE they’ll let a little trickle down.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 18th, 2013
12:41 pm
RB from Gwinnett: ” They’re going to continue to do what they need to do to get a return on their investment of time and money and if that means sending jobs to less expensive labor pools…”
WHOSE “time and money”?
The wealthy, the capitalists, BY DEFINITION do not expend their time as they are not forced to sell it on the labor market for their survival like the rest of us are.
Jackie
January 18th, 2013
12:41 pm
The Repubs have taken dance lessons and are trying to “moon walk” away from holding the American economic public hostage.
If one looks at them “dancing” on the American public stage, it would be hilarious if the impact on each of us were not so profound.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 18th, 2013
12:41 pm
stands for decibels
January 18th, 2013
12:18 pm
What does anything you posited have to do with the fact that the cost of a single retiree under social security used to be spread among 16 working folks. Soon, it will be spread among 2. It that too hard to understand and comprehend? Pick the next two high school kids you see and know that they will have to pay multiples more into this system as the demographics shift.
Also, by definition, SS is in fact a ponzi arrangement. We always need new cash to pay off past promises..not intended in malice but no different math that that employed by Madoff…to maintain prior return promises, he needed new cash to which he made the same promises..
Christian Conservative
January 18th, 2013
12:42 pm
Even after Jay and obama’s NRA bashing they still have a more favorable opinion than our dear leader….
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/18/majority-supports-nra-despite-recent-criticism-poll-shows/
Steve
January 18th, 2013
12:42 pm
So…what would YOU cut? I’d go for the military, and corporate welfare, and fixing healthcare so it’s a single payer system with no private insurance middle men. I’d fix the pharamceutical stranglehold on our health care system. I’d as the people who can afford car elevators in their multiple mansions to pay more.
makers vs takers
January 18th, 2013
12:42 pm
Even is this world we live in, I am much happier as a conservative than any liberal. I accept I am responsible for my success and my failures. So, that means I will work for success, not accpet gov’t handouts. Break free of entitlement mentality. I am laughing. Also, bought a new Glock 23 in 40 caliber and will purchase more new guns soon. Better arm yourself liberal- as I stated above, you will be the first to go courtesy of your beloved federal gov’t..
Granny Godzilla
January 18th, 2013
12:42 pm
Fred
Standard claptrap…..I guess tyranny is ok if the GOP does it.
VET
January 18th, 2013
12:43 pm
Obama makes Bush look like a genius!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 18th, 2013
12:43 pm
Granny, well if Fox does not tell them its a bad thing, how will they know?
It will be interesting to see how Fox handles the GOP cave. Will is join the sensible or rational or will it go down the Beck yellow gold brick road?
Mr Right
January 18th, 2013
12:43 pm
vinny
January 18th, 2013
8:52 am
Meanwhile, obama has no solutions to the debt crisis and is allowed to continue to spend, spend, spend.
You are so right Vinny, Obama has no solutions nor does he care, nor does he intend to do something about it, just spend, spend, spend! Raise the debt ceiling to $ 18,000,000,000,000.00 then to $20,000,000,000,000.00 then to $22,000,000,000,000.00 or what ever he is able to spend in four more years! If anyone trys to use a little reason, just blast them, you know I won the last election so I can spend my $20,000,000,000,000.00 however I want to and Jay cheers hin on!
td
January 18th, 2013
12:44 pm
Jay,
Since you are using Rasmussen this morning:
“Friday, January 18, 2013
Two-out-of-three Americans recognize that their constitutional right to own a gun was intended to ensure their freedom.
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 65% of American Adults think the purpose of the Second Amendment is to make sure that people are able to protect themselves from tyranny. Only 17% disagree, while another 18% are not sure.”
Oscar
January 18th, 2013
12:44 pm
You must live in isolation???
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Is that a city in south Georgia. Think I went by there once.
Fred ™
January 18th, 2013
12:45 pm
makers vs takers
January 18th, 2013
12:34 pm
Yea, we won! Country headed right down the toliet, but Yea we won. A conservative citizen will always be more valuabel than you liberal puke heads! Liberals will get what is coming to them one day, and it will be delivered by the Liberal leaders! Once power has been consolidated and the libveral sheep are no longer needed, they will be removed from society, and this is how it will be explained, ” Certainly you understand the need for you to die, you have been getting so much for free for so long, how can you complain”. Ho-ho, better become an individual and not a member of a group. Better go to work (not a gov’t taker job). You will be the first to go as gov’t needs private sector workers like me to buy your vote with. Boogerman and others are so doomed!
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Here is yet another proof of Dr. Goebbels theory that if you repeat a lie long enough the simple minded will think it truth. Sad isn’t it? I mean on the outside you would think someone bright enough to turn on a computer and type would be able to think………
Unfortunately no. How many have we seen in here today on this thread alone typing the same hysterical lie? Soon they will become violent I predict. They will start killing and Rush will say, “BBut I’m just an entertainers……” while laughing all the way to the bank.
Oscar
January 18th, 2013
12:45 pm
Two-out-of-three Americans recognize that their constitutional right to own a gun was intended to ensure their freedom.
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It was included to insure there inalieable right to own and bare arms. And that’s still good law today.
stands for decibels
January 18th, 2013
12:46 pm
Aren’t you guys (Mick) making assumptions about the rich people he hates so much?
Where do you get this “hate” business? Expecting people who can easily afford to, to cough up a few more quid than they did under a conservative Administration is hell and gone from “hate,” if that’s what you’re basing this on.
And that’s not an “assumption,” that’s what rich people flippin’ TELL US.
Granny Godzilla
January 18th, 2013
12:46 pm
makers vs takers
January 18th, 2013
12:42 pm
Even is this world we live in, I am much happier as a conservative than any liberal. I accept I am responsible for my success and my failures. So, that means I will work for success, not accpet gov’t handouts. Break free of entitlement mentality. I am laughing. Also, bought a new Glock 23 in 40 caliber and will purchase more new guns soon. Better arm yourself liberal- as I stated above, you will be the first to go courtesy of your beloved federal gov’t..
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Try scratching your head and give those other parts a break.
I eat bullies for breakfast.
Democrat
January 18th, 2013
12:46 pm
Please raise the debt ceiling! I don’t work because President Obama will take care of us ! It’s our time to rule all the evil people who have taken everything away from us!
stands for decibels
January 18th, 2013
12:47 pm
used to be spread among 16 working folks.
how long ago was that?
Are you suggesting we’d be better off if we worked to return to that?
Ridiculous argument, which is why I continue to harp on it.
/drive-by
Oscar
January 18th, 2013
12:49 pm
When congress passes a law, it is implied that the President has the right to borrow funds necessary to carry out that law. Otherwise why pass a law.
The President is obligated to enforce and execute the laws passed by Congress. If I was on the Court, I would rule it then follows he is obligated to borrow the money to do so.
Othersiwe, why pass the law.
If congress wants to cut spending they should amend the laws to what we can afford to spend. Not blame the president.
getalife
January 18th, 2013
12:49 pm
Economic numbers still looking good and have a feeling innovation and a new technology is about to take off.
stands for decibels
January 18th, 2013
12:49 pm
oh, one other thing–
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 65% of American Adults think the purpose of the Second Amendment is to make sure that people are able to protect themselves from tyranny.
Did Rassy go on to ask these Americans if they’d like a pony?
/drive-by for realz now
GT
January 18th, 2013
12:50 pm
We got what was coming to us alright but it was delivered by your man Bush. A private sector that should have gone bankrupt propped up by a government bailout and then blamed on that next government in office to take the blame off the colluders in this crime, Wall Street. Living fat and happy on credit cards and then have the audacity to tell the government to tighten up, never thinking once your money was smoke and mirrors of ridiculously easy to free credit not economic success.
And we did win which seems to have little to do with your thinking, but it will. And the next time you are fat and happy it will be real not on a cooked booked credit scam. Of course you are determine that won’t happen because you are sitting on your stolen money from these scams and the government bailing you out, but time will resolve that. As it will your same traffic jam in Congress. What a party, what a great bunch of selfish fat cats, and you really think you will ever see the White House again?
TBS
January 18th, 2013
12:51 pm
After Rasmussen’s results in November, I am not sure if either side needs to be paying too much attention to him.
Guess he was “over sampling” the other, huh?
Oscar
January 18th, 2013
12:52 pm
you will be the first to go courtesy of your beloved federal gov’t.
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Are you saying you are going to start shooting liberals. Sounds like a threat.
td
January 18th, 2013
12:52 pm
“Military spending makes up closer to 24 percent of federal expenditures today. That’s up from the near-term low from 1998 to 2001, when it made up about 20 percent of federal spending. (One contributor to the budget surpluses achieved briefly during the Clinton administration was a peace dividend in the interim between the cold war and the Sept. 11 attacks.) And military spending in the United States has generally been rising relative to inflation and remains very high relative to most other nations. But over the longer term, it has fallen slightly relative to the gross domestic product, and substantially relative to other types of government spending.”
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/16/what-is-driving-growth-in-government-spending/
“and substantially relative to other types of government spending.”
Yes progressives, MILITARY spending has fallen SUBSTANTIALLY as compared to other government spending.
makers vs takers
January 18th, 2013
12:52 pm
Did someone above say gov’t has been starved? Dang, gov’t is so fat it has diabetes! Want to fix healthcare? Do away with all but CATASTROPHIC health insurance. You take your earned $ to the doctor and pay the doctor with your money. See, then the doctor gets the money directly, not the insurance company. I am sure this will not sit well with liberals who must be “insured” against everything, except they don’t pay for anything including insurance. I and other conservative workers pay for everything. Straight pay to doctors is the solution, but it cuts the gov’t out so a bad idea to a liberal puke.
DannyX
January 18th, 2013
12:53 pm
“makers vs. takers,
Thank you. Love reading the truth!”
Lets get this straight, its ‘takers vs makers’, not ‘makers vs takers’. Us takers own you!
I was buying some free range lobster at the Whole Foods today, some yuppie dude gave me a dirty look because I used food stamps, it made me furious!!! I was on my Obamaphone talking to my BMW mechanic and had to hang up! I put that yuppie in a headlock and punched him in the face about 15 times! “You owe me,” I shouted into his bloody face. I finally let him go, but not before I took forty dollars out of his wallet so I could get me a $25 Papa John pizza. The wimp cried like a baby.
Now make me a sandwich!
Oscar
January 18th, 2013
12:54 pm
new technology is about to take off.
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What kind and in which direction. I would like to get in on the ground floor.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 18th, 2013
12:54 pm
New West Point Study Highlights Threat Posed by Far Right-Wing Groups In U.S.
We got our eyes on you Cons. We’re watching…
NOBODYYOUKNOW
January 18th, 2013
12:55 pm
We better get off this party dedication habit. Thats whats wrong with this country now. They sit around and point fingers at everybody else. Someone commented about “old draft dodgeing Bush”. What branch of the military was O’bama in? Clinton? Gore? Romney? What the hell differance does it make? Isn’t it common sense to look at a persons background, education, experiance, and yes their ideology on how to solve problems? And Jay and his buddies always knock FOX network. I would suggest evreyone watch FOX, MSNBC, and as many others as you can to get different opinions. Many most likely don’t remember but some years ago concerned Democrats and Republicans mentioned the comming financial disaster if something isn’t done about the many entitlement programs that we can’t afford. But knowing how most feel (cut their benefits, not mine.) They were all afraid they would not get re-elected if they cut ANY program. So what do they do? They create more entitlements. Run the deficit into trillions and trillions more. Meanwhile the so-called “leaders” in Washington get richer and richer. I can assure you folks when America goes into financial disaster and we average people are suffering those knuckleheads in Washington will be living high on the hog like they always have. My problem with Jay and his buddies in the media is they will continue to demonize anyone conservative and ignore the failed policies of both parties. I will always beleive those in the media should realize the importantance of printing the TRUTH on both sides.And be concerned whats best for our country.
getalife
January 18th, 2013
12:55 pm
“you will be the first to go courtesy of your beloved federal gov’t.”
Don’t insult our troops cons.
td
January 18th, 2013
12:55 pm
“The growth in federal spending on physical infrastructure and on services provided directly by the government like policing and education, has been modest. In fact, federal spending on these categories has declined somewhat as a share of the gross domestic product over the past 40 years.”
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/16/what-is-driving-growth-in-government-spending/
Oscar
January 18th, 2013
12:56 pm
We spend more on defense than the next eleven countries combined. I think we could cut back some. Like mabe twenty per cent.
td
January 18th, 2013
12:57 pm
“That means most of the growth in federal government spending relative to inflation — and essentially all the growth as a share of the gross domestic product — has been because of the increased expense of entitlement programs.”
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/16/what-is-driving-growth-in-government-spending/
clem
January 18th, 2013
12:59 pm
wouldn’t be nice if the gop pulled a boortz and just left.
JamVet
January 18th, 2013
1:00 pm
Donovan even suggesting that the neocon’s are pragmatic really does crack me up!
Let’s see, pragmatism GOP style: banning abortion, banning homosexuality, banning labor unions, banning environmentalism, banning science, banning protests and banning capitalism.
Just call them the Ban Party.
Yep, the GOP is swirling down the toilet and they want to take the USA with them.
Ain’t gonna happen, Uncle Sam haters.
Go kiss Donnie’s the Koch Bros. and Mitt’s rings and see if they will save you trickle down idiots!
Toodles! The Obama Recovery calls…
getalife
January 18th, 2013
1:00 pm
The gop refuse to dut defense spending to show they are not seious about our debt.
Our President has cut spending 1.2 trillion and want to cut 4 trillion but the speaker walked away for something that eventually passed.
This shows the gop are just hot air.
td
January 18th, 2013
1:02 pm
“Specifically, overall government spending on entitlement programs increased at a 4.8 annual rate in the 40 years between 1972 and 2011, net of inflation. Health care spending increased at 5.7 percent per year (and federal government spending on health care increased at a 6.7 percent pace). In contrast, the gross domestic product grew at a rate of 2.7 percent over this period, with tax revenues increasing at about the same rate as the G.D.P.”
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/16/what-is-driving-growth-in-government-spending/
“In contrast, the gross domestic product grew at a rate of 2.7 percent over this period, with tax revenues increasing at about the same rate as the G.D.P.”
There goes that Bush tax cuts killed revenue argument right out the window. We have a spending problem progressives not a revenue problem.
Madmax
January 18th, 2013
1:02 pm
Jay – we have over half the populace trying to moonwalk away from the debt issue. All they are proving is they can’t face reality and this president is leading them like the pied piper. Our total debt as a % of GDP was 67% when Clinton took office and 57% when he left. Geo W. returned it to slightly higher levels when he left office 65-69%. It now stands at 98%. That means that if all of our debt was called, everyone would be left with .02 cents on the dollar of our GDP to distribute to our citizenry. Our debt grew under Clinton by approximately $400 billion (about $1333 per citizen), under Bush by approximately 4.4 trillion (about 14,700 per citizen) and under Obama by approximately 6 trillion now an 10-11 trillion by the time he leaves office (20,000 & 33,333 per citizen) if we continue down this path.
When does the madness stop?
JamVet
January 18th, 2013
1:04 pm
What branch of the military was O’bama in? Clinton? Gore? Romney?
Hello Mr. Can’t See the Forest from the Trees.
The difference is that these men did not play toy soldier and get thousands of Americans killed needlessly by starting an idiotic, lie-filled, botched every step of the way invasion and occupation. OF THE WRONG COUNTRY!
Like I said earlier, the GOP scumbags are nuts if they think the people of this country are just go play stupid like they do and forget all of that.
Neoconservatism deserves to die this slow, painful death we are seeing now.
A demise that I relish every single day…
falconreversesnowbird
January 18th, 2013
1:05 pm
My sister who is a conservative business-woman in GA say’s”You have to eat an elephant one bite at a time”be patient recent changes to the way we deal with fiscal issues will start us off in the right direction,spurring growth but lets not destroy the planet God made in the process peace from a Georgian ex-patriot in Ma
GO Falcons
Jefferson
January 18th, 2013
1:05 pm
Spending is what taxes are for, not to pay interest. Just who was the 1st of the big spenders ? After it was equalized, just who messed up the balance ? Their track record is dismal and only the sheep buy into the myth of trickle down. The GOP caused this problem and stand in the way of the solution.
Fred ™
January 18th, 2013
1:06 pm
Madmax
January 18th, 2013
1:02 pm
Jay – we have over half the populace trying to moonwalk away from the debt issue. All they are proving is they can’t face reality and this president is leading them like the pied piper.
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No, what we have is way under 40% of Americans so stupid and ate up with hate like you that they can’t face teh reality that their talk radio FOXBOT lies were REJECTED by thinkijg Americans.
Instead they call for secession and civil disobedience and call the ones with sanity and sense all kinds of names and make irrational posts on message boards.
Thanks for reminding us how crazy the losers are…….
Oscar
January 18th, 2013
1:06 pm
The growth in federal spending on physical infrastructure and on services provided directly by the government like policing and education, has been modest.
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If we don’t start spending more on infrastructure, research, policing and education we are not going to continue to lead. And the predicted new technology takeoff will occur in some other country. if at all.
Madmax
January 18th, 2013
1:07 pm
Jefferson – it started with Roosevelt. Take a look at our debt history, we were running 3 – 8% before FDR.
Jackie
January 18th, 2013
1:09 pm
Many do not understand what makes up the national debt and how we got to that point.
http://zfacts.com/p/461.html
Fred ™
January 18th, 2013
1:11 pm
DannyX @ 12:53: I wanna go shopping at Whole Foods with YOU lol.
Post of the day without a doubt.
Madmax
January 18th, 2013
1:13 pm
Fred – Our federal governmeent has spent over $150000 more on a family of four since than they took in in revenues since Clinton took office and you think I’m looney for saying the spending has to stop? Have a nice moonwalk Fred. Hope you enjoy it up there.
Christian Conservative
January 18th, 2013
1:13 pm
Oscar
You must live in isolation???
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Is that a city in south Georgia. Think I went by there once.
Probably more like a slum suburb of Atlanta…..
Erwin's cat
January 18th, 2013
1:14 pm
TP- at least you admit the models are inaccurate
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/01/10/global-warming-no-natural-predictable-climate-change/
Nicola Scaletta concludes that the scientific method requires that a physical model fulfill two conditions…it must be able to reconstruct as well as predict (or forecast) direct physical observations. Here, he argues that all climate models used by the IPCC can do neither. “They seriously fail to properly reconstruct even the large multi-decadal oscillations found in the global surface temperature which have climatic meaning. Consequently, the IPCC projections for the 21st century cannot be trusted.” In fact, he argues that “By not properly reconstructing the 20-year and 60-year natural cycles we found that the IPCC GCMs have seriously overestimated also the magnitude of the anthropogenic contribution to recent warming.”
GT
January 18th, 2013
1:15 pm
And talking about our defense, what has that dollar paid for? Seem to me we have built our enemies in Iraq a wonderful infrastructure at our tax payers’ expense with more graft and bid rigging than actual money spent on the project at hand. Once again very much like Wall Street very few of these crooks going to jail.
Seems like where the big bucks are flying so are the GOP cronies. The social programs are second fiddles to the real art of corruption that flow money into the lobbies that float billions of dollars for rightwing unpopular politicians. They sell this the same way they sell cigarettes, macho man is a Republican, the gays are all Democrats. Right wingers willing to sell God, country and family out for the right to be macho, and they even give macho an enemy to fight, his own country. What a party!
Ken
January 18th, 2013
1:17 pm
NEW YORK (Reuters) – Consumer sentiment unexpectedly deteriorated for a second straight month to its lowest in over a year in January, with many consumers citing the recent “fiscal cliff” debate in Washington, a survey released on Friday showed.
The sharp drop in sentiment over the last two months coincides with rancorous federal budget negotiations that have led to higher taxes for many Americans.
Jack ®
January 18th, 2013
1:18 pm
We need to raise the debt limit and increase the tax on the rich. At least enough to pay for the new entitlements; entitlements like free healthcare from cradle to grave for everyone including illegals and those born out of wedlock.
Steve
January 18th, 2013
1:19 pm
Some Debt Facts:
Social Security is $2.7 trillion in the black (Nov 2012). In 2010 it ran a $90 billion surplus.
Clinton reduced the debt as a percent of GDP.
G. W. Bush restarted the deficits with tax cuts tilted toward the rich, and then continued with Medicare D, two wars and more.
Red ink hit a peak rate of $1.1 trillion in 100 days just before Obama was elected.
Obama’s stimulus was only $0.8 trillion.
Only $1.2 trillion is owed to China (11/2012).
Fred ™
January 18th, 2013
1:21 pm
NOBODYYOUKNOW
January 18th, 2013
12:55 pm
We better get off this party dedication habit. Thats whats wrong with this country now. They sit around and point fingers at everybody else. Someone commented about “old draft dodgeing Bush”. What branch of the military was O’bama in? Clinton? Gore? Romney?
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Tothe best of my knowledge President Obama, President Clinton, and Romney the fool all served in the same branch of the military that Neal Boortz, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity served in which would be none.
Al Gore however was a combat correspondent who served proudly in Viet Nam. Although I personally dislike Gore and his politics, his military service and reasons for VOLUNTEERING DURING THE VIET NAM WAR are impeccable. As a Viet Nam Protester he felt he could protest better as a soldier. he felt if he didn’t go and used his daddy’s political influence to avoid the draft, someone else would have to go in his place.
Until just now I never researched his service, I knew he served but was under the (wrong) impression that he never went to Viet Nam. After reading the Wiki on him, I have a greater respect for the former Vice President of the United States. I hate to say it, but I now kind of admire him dammit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore
Steve
January 18th, 2013
1:22 pm
“the debt accelerated during Bush’s last two budget years. Obama’s debt is a continuation of that trend and neither Bush nor Obama are directly responsible for that acceleration. It happened because of the recession. Bush set the all-time record by increasing the debt by $1.1 trillion in 100 days between July 30 and Nov 9, 2008—but that had little to do with his choices.
Recessions cut tax revenues—in this case, dramatically. That accounts for nearly half of the deficit. So blaming Obama for the full deficit is like blaming him for not raising the tax rate to keep tax revenues up. Most of the increased spending is automatic increases in unemployment benefits, food stamps, and social security payments for early retirement. Very little of it is from stimulus spending, and that’s over.”
Williebkind
January 18th, 2013
1:24 pm
8.6% unemployer and your taxes went up! Obama is doing a great job! Make SYMPATHY LAWS and violate constitutional rights of citizens! Obama is doing a great job! keep repeating this to yourselves over and over and over and soon all you can remember is “Obama is doing a great job!”
Jefferson
January 18th, 2013
1:24 pm
Max it started with President Reagan, FDR had to bail out another GOP disaster.
Steve
January 18th, 2013
1:26 pm
So Confederates, what about YOUR GOP STATE GOVT? Why is Georgia struggling with higher unemployment than most other states? I thought you were states’ rights people?
makers vs takers
January 18th, 2013
1:27 pm
A liberal says, “Help me, help me, I can’t do it on my own”.
A conservative says, “Get out of my way, I can do it myself”. Yea, you liberals are waaaay better people than us conservatives, ha-ha. Lets see, us conservatives could do without you liberals, but who would pay the liberals bills without our conservative tax dollars. And teachers, fire fighters, police and first responders are net tax takers, not net tax payers. That should set Freds and Granny looks like Godzilla hair on fire. Tell me who is more valuable?
Williebkind
January 18th, 2013
1:29 pm
Steve
Ever heard of the “Federal Government”? You know the one that gives away free stuff to the democratic plantation which is a huge crowd in Ga. If you can tranfer that plantation to lets say Ca, Oh, or NY, you will see that Ga will be a top state in the union.
Oscar
January 18th, 2013
1:31 pm
Cut spending and raise taxes. Reduce the deficit and the debt the old fashioned way. Only thing that works.
TiredOfIt
January 18th, 2013
1:31 pm
50% cut to the war machine ( that couldn’t protect us … 9/11)
Tariffs
A seriously look at Single Payer health care.
Tax financial transactions
Tax breaks for companies when they move real jobs back to the USA and things will start to get better.
TBS
January 18th, 2013
1:32 pm
“keep repeating this to yourselves over and over and over and soon all you can remember is ‘Obama is doing a great job!’ ”
You have the wrong President. Glad I could assist. Don’t mention it. Anytime.
“See in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.”
GWB
May 24th 2005
makers vs takers
January 18th, 2013
1:33 pm
Why should georgia and other convervative states need to bail out the broke liberal states (NY, NJ, ILL, CAL)? Have all those liberal politicians and citizens spent all their money? That is what is wrong with liberalism, eventually you run out of other peoples money. If u liberal, thats right, you suck!
Oscar
January 18th, 2013
1:33 pm
Time to stop pointing fingers about which party or president started the debt increase, and think about how to fix it.
Williebkind
January 18th, 2013
1:33 pm
I think it is time to restart the draft! I am sick of the 99% representing only 1% of the defenders!
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
January 18th, 2013
1:33 pm
Well, even a good Republican like me can think of some famous last words during that Iraq war, and I’ll list a couple:
1. “Just leave that big ammo dump alone. Bypass it. We don’t have time to deal with stuff like that. Besides, no one will take anything from it till we get back. It’s just a bunch of artillery shells and such.”
2. “Park those pallets with the 3 billion in cash over there. No one’s going to bother it. We have other stuff to do.”
And they call us rednecks dumb.
That’s it from me till FNM. After work I’m taking a break from rubbing my guns and dreaming of blood and gore. You’ll find me at Billy Bob’s tonight.
Jackie
January 18th, 2013
1:33 pm
@Willie
What Constitutional rights of yours were violated by executive orders signed by the President?
What policy of the Federal government caused the unemployment rate of the state of Georgia to rise?
td
January 18th, 2013
1:34 pm
“Another way to view these data is to allocate the increase in spending-to-G.D.P. between the different categories of expenditures. Total government spending — including federal, state and local spending — rose to about 39 percent of the gross domestic product in 2011 from about 30 percent in 1972. So we have a 9 percent increase to account for, which is equal to about $1.3 trillion per year in current dollars.
Spending on entitlement programs was about $500 billion per year in 1972 in today’s dollars. If it had increased at the same rate as the gross domestic product, it would now be about $1.4 trillion. Instead, it is now about $2.9 trillion per year. What this means is that there has been about a $1.5 trillion increase in entitlement spending above and beyond gross domestic product growth. This is actually slightly larger than the overall increase in government spending relative to gross domestic product. This results from the fact that spending on the other categories has been essentially flat relative to the gross domestic product (infrastructure and services), or constitutes a negligible part of the budget for the time being (interest), or actually decreased relative to gross domestic product over the 40-year period (defense).”
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/16/what-is-driving-growth-in-government-spending/
makers vs takers
January 18th, 2013
1:34 pm
Tired- Pay for your own healthcare, o.k.? Matter of fact, pleae pay all your bills. You know, earn it!
Welcome to the Occupation
January 18th, 2013
1:35 pm
td: “Yes progressives, MILITARY spending has fallen SUBSTANTIALLY as compared to other government spending.”
Yeah, no kidding. There is a steady increase in programs that can generally be described as “insurance” programs, i.e. social programs, safety net, whatever you want to call it.
To the extent that the pie does not get larger through steady growth, we are going to see an incredible rise in social tensions. Over much of the post-war period, capitalism has at least been able to deliver enough growth in standards of living to maintain the buy-in of the majority of the people, and when that started to struggle in the 1970s it devised a new way to do the same through consumer credit, which was never more than just a stop-gap to make up for sagging incomes.
So, bottom line is that capitalism just doesn’t appear to be cutting the mustard any more, does it?
What’s your solution, other than cuts. As the example of Europe is demonstrating once again, the people can’t eat austerity.
What say you. td, to this problem?
Lynnie Gal
January 18th, 2013
1:35 pm
I still don’t expect sane and rational actions–they’re Republicans, after all. They are the party of Bush, who spent 4 TRILLION dollars on two wars and 1.5 TRILLION dollars on tax breaks over ten years, both of which were put on the national credit card. Now, they act like it’s been Obama who spent the money. The 787 BILLION dollars spent on the stimulus, trying to keep us from a depression after Bush and Henry Paulson raided the treasury to bail out banks because of credit default switches that went unregulated, Obama had to spend, repairing the Republican damage to our economy. Now, suddenly, they’re concerned about deficits, after they wrecked the economy, which further wrecks the economy because unemployment is high and demand for goods and services is down. Republicans are responsible for this mess and now they look around for somebody else to blame. They may have fooled some weak-minded people, but they haven’t fooled everybody.
Oscar
January 18th, 2013
1:35 pm
Why should georgia and other convervative states need to bail out the broke liberal states (NY, NJ, ILL, CAL)?
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You have it backwards. You could do with some facts. It’s the red states that get more money back – that includes Georgia – from the Federal government then they pay in federal taxes.
Those states you mentioned pay way more in federal taxes than they get back. Their money is going to the red states of the southeast and west.
Madmax
January 18th, 2013
1:36 pm
Jefferson – look at the facts or continue your moonwalk. Both parties have created this and unless everyone pitches in it’s going to blow up. If we are paying 40 cents on the dollar to servicing the debt at artificially maintained rates, what will happen to that 40 cents on the dollar if we ever have to pay market rates? There are not enough “rich” people to pay for this debt. The only thing in the favor of the government is the fact that the tax rates are not indexed to keep up with the rate of devaluation of the dollar so eventually everyone will be a millionaire and paying taxes like one even though we can’t afford to live as well as someone making $20K back in the 70’s.
Steve
January 18th, 2013
1:36 pm
Williebedumb – ah, you are dead wrong. 100% completely wrong. The blue states fund us red states, and you can google that if you don’t believe me. That’s if you even know how to use google.
makers vs takers
January 18th, 2013
1:37 pm
We have succesfully run off the liberals. I am better than you are, na-na-na boo- boo stick your head in, well you know! I am having fun now! I am bullying you, Granny!
Williebkind
January 18th, 2013
1:37 pm
Jackie
January 18th, 2013
1:33 pm
The 2nd amendment! Ever read it?
TaxPayer
January 18th, 2013
1:37 pm
TP- at least you admit the models are inaccurate
No, Erwin, I did not. You fail to recognize the difference between precision and accuracy–a common undergrad-level mistake.
Steve
January 18th, 2013
1:38 pm
So, if blue states are funding us, and we suck as red states (we’re poor, illiterate, unhealthy), then how are those RED policies working for ya?
Williebkind
January 18th, 2013
1:38 pm
“What policy of the Federal government caused the unemployment rate of the state of Georgia to rise?
Practically all of them.
makers vs takers
January 18th, 2013
1:39 pm
Want to google something, try Larry Sinclair. Thta will reveal a little about our Dear Leader. I bet Bookman will not post Larry Sinclair.
Steve
January 18th, 2013
1:40 pm
@Williebkind – then I guess you can say the Fed govt helped the states have lower unemployment rates?
TBS
January 18th, 2013
1:40 pm
“Practically all of them.”
Translation: I can’t remember what I was told on my favorite talk radio show
Madmax
January 18th, 2013
1:40 pm
Lynnie – hate to break it to you but 2/3+ of the tax cuts went to the 98%.
Williebkind
January 18th, 2013
1:41 pm
Oscar
January 18th, 2013
1:35 pm
Now population and wages would not have nothing to do with that would it-right? And dont forget the union wages that has broken all their systems?
makers vs takers
January 18th, 2013
1:41 pm
I admit it, I was wrong on Larry Sinclair. Ask yourself, “why have I not heard of this, but we all know about david petraeus”? Much easier to be a dummycrat. Plenty of media protection.
Granny Godzilla
January 18th, 2013
1:42 pm
makers vs takers
January 18th, 2013
1:27 pm
A liberal says, “Help me, help me, I can’t do it on my own”.
A conservative says, “Get out of my way, I can do it myself”. Yea, you liberals are waaaay better people than us conservatives, ha-ha. Lets see, us conservatives could do without you liberals, but who would pay the liberals bills without our conservative tax dollars. And teachers, fire fighters, police and first responders are net tax takers, not net tax payers. That should set Freds and Granny looks like Godzilla hair on fire. Tell me who is more valuable?
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Hair in fire?
Not today, actually having a very good hair day.
Soft curls falling on my shoulders and a wee bit of gray at the temples.
Mister Silly Pants.
DannyX
January 18th, 2013
1:43 pm
“Lets see, us conservatives could do without you liberals,…”
Then just do it faker. Take all the liberals out of your life. Try it, just for one day. No iphone, no ipad, no ipod, no Google, no movies, no tv, no itunes, most music, no Facebook, no software, no Amazon, no Microsoft.
Just sit in a room, listen to your country music or watch the 700 Club, and play with your gun. Now get off the internet!
Williebkind
January 18th, 2013
1:43 pm
TBS
January 18th, 2013
1:40 pm
Yeah and that quote about GW was hanging on your computer screen since 2005 huh? You liberals sure are funny!
makers vs takers
January 18th, 2013
1:43 pm
Steve, Fred, Granny- Tell me what you found about Larry Sinclair? Poor Michelle. Bully, bully, bully…. you run and hide!
TBS
January 18th, 2013
1:44 pm
Willibcrying
Is that all you do is whine?
Damn son
Williebkind
January 18th, 2013
1:45 pm
“Now get off the internet!”
So you still believe Al Gore invented the internet?
DannyX
January 18th, 2013
1:45 pm
“Try it, just for one day. No iphone, no ipad, no ipod, no Google, no movies, no tv, no itunes, most music, no Facebook, no software, no Amazon, no Microsoft.”
I forgot, no video games either, and certainly no porn!
Erwin's cat
January 18th, 2013
1:45 pm
No, Erwin, I did not. You fail to recognize the difference between precision and accuracy–a common undergrad-level mistake
lol…so you’re arguing that the models are imprecise?
Jackie
January 18th, 2013
1:45 pm
@Willie
It is apparent you have not read the Second Amendment and/or do not understand it.
pete
January 18th, 2013
1:46 pm
Obama said anything about Algeria yet? How about Benghazi? No? Hmm…the NBA must have started their season.
DannyX
January 18th, 2013
1:46 pm
“So you still believe Al Gore invented the internet?”
When did I say that? The internet is a product of liberal universities.
jm
January 18th, 2013
1:46 pm
good job republicans
“Under a bill to be considered next week, members will propose raising the debt ceiling through mid-April — long enough, they say, to give both chambers time to pass a budget. Under the measure, if either chamber fails to adopt a budget by April 15, Congress would not be paid.“
DannyX
January 18th, 2013
1:47 pm
Who had post 550 in today’s Benghazi pool?
GT
January 18th, 2013
1:48 pm
Did anyone see Gov. Brown announcing California has balanced their budget after just two years of him being in office?
Williebkind
January 18th, 2013
1:49 pm
8.6% unemployer and your taxes went up! Obama is doing a great job! Make SYMPATHY LAWS and violate constitutional rights of citizens! Obama is doing a great job!
Williebkind
January 18th, 2013
1:50 pm
“When did I say that? The internet is a product of liberal universities”
I need a resource for that. I was under the impression the military did that.
makers vs takers
January 18th, 2013
1:50 pm
Oscar- Those states are totally broke because of gov’t pensions. Totally broke.
Steve thinks Social Security is in the black when it does not have one dime! Liberals really are clueless. How pitiful! Oh yea, I am better than you!
M.C.
January 18th, 2013
1:50 pm
It looks like the GOP took Krauthammer’s advice.
House Republicans said Friday they intend to extend the nation’s borrowing authority for three months, but will not agree to a long-term increase on the debt limit until both chambers of Congress agree on a budget.
A three-month extension would ensure the federal government does not default on its obligations. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner told Congress the nation will reach its debt limit sometime between mid-February and early March.
A vote on the temporary debt limit extension will take place next week.
At the House GOP retreat in Williamsburg, Va., Speaker John Boehner will tell lawmakers that they will insist that members of Congress don’t get paid until a budget is passed. Republicans are angry that the Democratic-controlled Senate has not passed a budget plan in four years.
“Before there is any long-term debt limit increase, a budget should be passed that cuts spending,” Boehner will say, according to excerpts of his remarks released by his office. “We are going to pursue strategies that will obligate the Senate to finally join the House in confronting the government’s spending problem. The principle is simple: No budget, no pay.”
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/01/18/house-republicans-debt-ceiling-budget/1845439/
Tom Middleton
January 18th, 2013
1:51 pm
Any talk of compromise in that meeting, Jay? No? Then all they are doing is postponing the day when they will hang themselves!
Robert
January 18th, 2013
1:51 pm
How can the GOP become relevant in politics again? In case you have not noticed the American People have spoken loud and clear and rejected the GOP platform by electing President Obama in 2012.
The GOP needs a complete “makeover”. No longer can the GOP rely on their old model of carrying all the Southern States and rally the rebels (old White Guys) in a few Northern States. That model is broken beyond repair.
The GOP needs to recruit “moderate” candidates and create a strategy that includes all the American People who voted and gave President Obama landslide victory’s in 2008 & 2012 (elderly, women, minorities, gays & lesbians, Christians, Muslims & Jews, etc.). The GOP strategy should also include retaining as many seats as possible in the House and Senate for the 2014 midterm elections (no more gerrymandering) if the GOP has any chance of re-capturing the White House in 2016.
The latest Polls suggest that the next President of the USA in 2016 will most likely be a Woman or a Hispanic candidate. Our children and grand children will grow-up in a America that looks and acts just like they do. Thank you God.
The American People…
Steve
January 18th, 2013
1:52 pm
Without liberals, we might still have slavery and segregation; child labor; women without the vote; severely injured workers who had to sell pencils or apples or had to panhandle trying to survive; poor houses for the destitute where children were sometimes separated from the parents; “robber baron”s who used immoral business practices to become powerful and wealthy; large portions of our population without the protection of equal rights legislation; one county dumping its destitute and less desirable into another county in the middle of the night; seniors and the poor who could not afford medical care; and on and on and on ad infinitum.
DannyX
January 18th, 2013
1:52 pm
“Did anyone see Gov. Brown announcing California has balanced their budget after just two years of him being in office?”
GT, I saw that, in fact they may even have a budget surplus by the end of the year.
makers vs takers
January 18th, 2013
1:52 pm
Gov Moonbeam has balanced California budget? Balanced the budget and put a rainbow in the sky and a pony for every kid! Wow, libs can really get it done!
TaxPayer
January 18th, 2013
1:53 pm
Scafetta is sadly lacking in his ability to contruct models that hindcast.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 18th, 2013
1:53 pm
“Why should georgia and other convervative states need to bail out the broke liberal states ”
Wow. Did somebody here actually say this?
Who?
Who was the idiot?
td
January 18th, 2013
1:54 pm
DannyX
January 18th, 2013
1:43 pm
“Lets see, us conservatives could do without you liberals,…”
Then just do it faker. Take all the liberals out of your life. Try it, just for one day. No iphone, no ipad, no ipod, no Google, no movies, no tv, no itunes, most music, no Facebook, no software, no Amazon, no Microsoft.
Just sit in a room, listen to your country music or watch the 700 Club, and play with your gun. Now get off the internet!
Total BS and you know it. There is not a company in this nation that has been run by 100% liberals or 100% conservatives. BTW: Since all you libs keep saying these greedy “evil rich” are all Republicans because they do not want to pay their “fair share” then at one time every industry leader you mentioned had to have been conservative or your claims are just another BS myth.
Steve
January 18th, 2013
1:55 pm
you sure done did told em, “makers”
makers vs takers
January 18th, 2013
1:56 pm
Sure, everyone who can has left California. No need for services. Just buy a goat to mow the lawn. Larry Sinclair, anyone? Afraid to see something you don’t want to see. Tell me what you find.
Steve
January 18th, 2013
1:56 pm
td , you take many things for granted now that were pushed through by liberals over the years, who are ALWAYS 20-50 years ahead of the rest of the stubborn, ignorant, backwards population.
Halftrack
January 18th, 2013
1:58 pm
Which is better? Being destroyed because you cave and raise the debt ceiling in order to spend more or put up a fight and shut down the government to stop spending? The end results are the same. Do we stick a finger in the dike to maybe keep it from bursting and drowning everyone? If we are not part of the solution, we are in fact part of the problem. Looks like we are between a rock and a hard place.
makers vs takers
January 18th, 2013
1:59 pm
That right, I done did good. got land, got guns, wooo-hoo! You poor city slickers, I know you are jealous and just want to ruin it for the rest of us, just because you will not work. Bring us all down to your “no values” life. Wallow in it, lib. Pitiful!
Uh Huh....The battle between good and evil
January 18th, 2013
1:59 pm
“I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality. This is why right, temporarily defeated, is stronger than evil triumphant.”
― Martin Luther King Jr.
pete
January 18th, 2013
2:00 pm
Silly me, I forgot. Algeria and Libya are tiny countries, no one really cares about them. At least most folks in the 57 states here in Obama-Land don’t care. He must be busy lowering the unemployment then, right? Hmmm…still 8%. Hasn’t it been between 8-11% for like 4 years now? Didn’t he say something like the unemployment rate would be like 5% by now? Gosh…seems like Barry is having a hard time dictating. The poor old POS, he really is trying.
TaxPayer
January 18th, 2013
2:00 pm
lol…so you’re arguing that the models are imprecise?
lol…so I’m stating, Erwin, that you incorrectly stated that I claimed something that I did not claim and then I followed up with a reference to a statement straight from the link from the scientificamerican blog about the imprecision–not inaccuracy–inherent in any model as complex as the ones used in climate science. If you had bothered reading before blogging, you may have been able to spot that. Maybe.
td
January 18th, 2013
2:01 pm
Tom Middleton
January 18th, 2013
1:51 pm
Any talk of compromise in that meeting, Jay? No? Then all they are doing is postponing the day when they will hang themselves!
And what compromise are you talking about? Obama got his tax increase and it is time to cut spending. Let us get a move on it.
DannyX
January 18th, 2013
2:01 pm
“I need a resource for that”
I would tell you to use google or Wiki to find that information, but you know, the liberal boycott and all.
Granny Godzilla
January 18th, 2013
2:01 pm
This Larry Sinclair ?
Public records and court filings reveal that he has a 27-year criminal record, with a specialty in crimes involving deceit. The record includes forgery charges in two states, one of which drew Sinclair a 16-year jail sentence. The Pueblo County, Colo., Sheriff’s Office also has an outstanding warrant for Sinclair’s arrest for forging an acquaintance’s signature and stealing her tax refunds.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11164.html#ixzz2IM5QUwYB
makers vs takers …..pitiful.
makers vs takers
January 18th, 2013
2:01 pm
Occupation, it is I. I am your idiot. Tell me how solvent NY, NJ, ILL, and California are? Let everyone hear your wisdom?
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 18th, 2013
2:01 pm
Wow, libs can really get it done!
Dang right.
If the regressive conservatives would just get out of the way we could do alot more.
indigo
January 18th, 2013
2:02 pm
Erwin – 1:45
See below.
Maybe even an undergrad 10th grader like you can understand it.
http://ucsusa.org/global_warming/
Granny Godzilla
January 18th, 2013
2:03 pm
Oh and
Makers and takers…
just how deep is your interest in a sexual relationship with the President?
I can get you his email address if the nights of longing are keeping you up and making you cranky.
makers vs takers
January 18th, 2013
2:04 pm
You know the truth Granny. Nothing brings on hard times like standing up to the liberals and truth telling. Being a liberal is easy, a cloke of blamelessness.
DannyX
January 18th, 2013
2:05 pm
“Total BS and you know it.”
What’s a matter td? Did I shatter your little world???
At least you still have your gun to play with.
makers vs takers
January 18th, 2013
2:06 pm
Why isn’t this news just like Petraeus or herman Cain? Because he is protected by his liberalism I am sure you feel safer with this protection.
Living With Open Eyes
January 18th, 2013
2:06 pm
Makers vs takers @ 1:27 – So I guess everybody on Wall Street in 2008 was a liberal. “Help me! Help me! My Ponzi scheme ran out of money!”
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 18th, 2013
2:07 pm
Tell me how solvent NY, NJ, ILL, and California are? Let everyone hear your wisdom?
Alot more than the South.
In fact those states pay alot more in taxes than they get back from the feds.
The southern “moocher” poor states end up getting that money.
If the South would just hold up its end.
Those states for instance paid for electricity to be brought to the South.
And a lot more over the years. I’m sure they are tired of us not pulling our own weight.
Regnad Kcin
January 18th, 2013
2:07 pm
“…and that’s why you nee dto study real hard, and go to school every day, son, or you might end up like poor old mvst…”
GT
January 18th, 2013
2:08 pm
DannyX just more proof Republicans are all talk and no action, even an action actor like Arnold Schwarzenegger. California was talking bankrutcy under Arnold. We could use some of that in Georgia, a little blue would look good.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 18th, 2013
2:08 pm
td — “Since all you libs keep saying these greedy “evil rich”
Lie. We don’t all say that.
In fact, I challenge you to demonstrate that even *one* lib here uses that expression — without quotation marks — on a regular basis.
The notion that we believe that the rich are all greedy is nothing more than a conservative article of faith; it’s one of a piece with the bulldada notions that we’re all unemployed, on drugs, afraid of firearms and never take a shower.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 18th, 2013
2:10 pm
GG — “I can get you his email address if the nights of longing are keeping you up and making you cranky.”
Have him send his lonely e-mails to lennay.kekua@imaginarygf.com.
Tom Middleton
January 18th, 2013
2:10 pm
TD
Then do it now or stop pretending there might be more coming!
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 18th, 2013
2:12 pm
td , you take many things for granted now that were pushed through by liberals over the years, who are ALWAYS 20-50 years ahead of the rest of the stubborn, ignorant, backwards population.
Its always been that way throughout history.
The liberals move us forward as a society.
The conservatives resist change and like to keep things as they are.
Regnad Kcin
January 18th, 2013
2:13 pm
“The notion that we believe that the rich are all greedy is nothing more than a conservative article of faith; it’s one of a piece with the bulldada notions that we’re all unemployed, on drugs, afraid of firearms and never take a shower.”
True – It’s probably silly of me, but I’m continually amazed that there are people who construct in their head such a world as describde above, when, with little effort, they could look at the real world and just *see* what’s really going on. It’s mystifying, actually.
stands for decibels
January 18th, 2013
2:14 pm
I know when I open a Jay-thread I’ll read something that’s jaw-dropping idiotic, but…
Sure, everyone who can has left California.
that’s really exceeding expectations. [golf clap]
jm
January 18th, 2013
2:15 pm
democrats are dumb
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/pol-wields-ak-47-on-statehouse-floor-86393.html?hp=f2
td
January 18th, 2013
2:16 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
January 18th, 2013
2:08 pm
I will not do that work for you but I have seen the sentiment if not the actual quotes before.
The funny thing is you my friend want to comment on one observation intended as a come back to another progressive blogger that was full of total BS in his remarks and you ignore the original remarks and you also ignore most of the other remarks I have made about the content of this blog posting.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 18th, 2013
2:21 pm
you ignore the original remarks and you also ignore most of the other remarks I have made about the content of this blog posting.
Most of your remarks are very very ignorable.
stands for decibels
January 18th, 2013
2:22 pm
Commence paranoid rants about what this non-profit is REALLY going to get up to….
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/01/18/report-obama-campaign-to-become-nonprofit/
The former Obama campaign will become a non-profit that will advocate for the president’s policies, the first such transition for a major political organization, First Lady Michelle Obama announced Friday.
[...]
Since the election, Obama’s team has been debating what to do with its vast campaign apparatus. Democrats have pressured Obama for America to share its sophisticated and massive compilation of voter data with other Democratic candidates. But no existing group has the technical resources to manage the data, which the campaign took great care with and wanted to protect.
After the 2008 election, Obama for America was moved into the Democratic National Committee and renamed Organizing for America. Supporters were directed to call lawmakers during fights over the budget and health care, but the organization never achieved the grassroots energy or power of the campaign.
OFA has been active recently, reaching out to supporters during the “fiscal cliff” fight and more recently, over gun control.
jm
January 18th, 2013
2:23 pm
good job kid
http://io9.com/5976112/how-19+year+old-activist-zack-kopplin-is-making-life-hell-for-louisianas-creationists
Adam
January 18th, 2013
2:24 pm
House GOP just caved on the debt ceiling:
Republicans will act to push the deadline at which the U.S. government would default on the national debt to mid-April, demanding that Democrats pass a budget in exchange for a long-term extension in borrowing authority.
House Republicans said they will take up legislation next week to temporarily extend the debt limit for three months, past the mid-February deadline when the government, according to the Treasury, would reach its legal limit on borrowing to finance the government’s obligations.
“Next week, we will authorize a three month temporary debt limit increase to give the Senate and House time to pass a budget,” House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., said. “Furthermore, if the Senate or House fails to pass a budget in that time, members of Congress will not be paid by the American people for failing to do their job. No budget, no pay.”
In other words, they will extend it for three months with a stern wag of the finger that they won’t extend it a SECOND time unless they get what they want.
House GOP caves, Obama wins.
td
January 18th, 2013
2:24 pm
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 18th, 2013
2:12 pm
td , you take many things for granted now that were pushed through by liberals over the years, who are ALWAYS 20-50 years ahead of the rest of the stubborn, ignorant, backwards population.
Its always been that way throughout history.
The liberals move us forward as a society.
The conservatives resist change and like to keep things as they are.
Really?
Allow younger workers to put 10% of their own SS into a 401 K type account. Libs go crazy and say we can not change the way things are.
Open Medicare to private industry to compete. Libs go crazy and say we must keep things the way they are.
Block grant Medicaid back to the states. Libs go crazy and say we must keep things the way they are.
Privatize non essential government functions to say money. Libs go crazy and say we must keep things the way they are.
Now remind me again about who is resistant to change?
Adam
January 18th, 2013
2:25 pm
Sucks to be Tea Party conservatives right now.
Keep drinking the TEA, guys!
Joe Hussein Mama
January 18th, 2013
2:26 pm
td — “I will not do that work for you”
No, td, the work is your own. If you’re going to make an assertion like that, then it’s incumbent upon you to aim correctly.
“but I have seen the sentiment if not the actual quotes before.”
And I’ve “seen the sentiment” that anyone who votes for a Democrat should be shot on sight. Shall I use your own standard and apply that sentiment to you? Should I speak for you, using that sentiment and dishonestly claim that YOU want to see ME shot on sight?
Of course not. It would be a lie. Just as it is a lie for you to say that “all you libs keep saying these greedy “evil rich” when we quite simply don’t say it. Have you seen it *elsewhere?* Then go where you’ve seen it and complain to *those* libs.
And if you’ve seen it *here,* then complain to the people SAYING it.
But don’t lie and say “all you libs keep saying these greedy “evil rich” when you and I both know it’s not true.
“The funny thing is you my friend want to comment on one observation intended as a come back to another progressive blogger that was full of total BS in his remarks and you ignore the original remarks and you also ignore most of the other remarks I have made about the content of this blog posting.”
Don’t be ridiculous. It’s not my job to point out EVERY such instance, and it’s cowardly of you to use such a dodge. Be a man — if you can — and own up to what you said, instead of pointing at someone else.
Act right yourself instead of using the poor behavior of others as a childish excuse.
jm
January 18th, 2013
2:27 pm
Adam
you’re delusional
I think the republicans made a smart move
they get to play the sequester card
if that doesn’t work out for some reason, they’re just accumulating other good cards to play later
DannyX
January 18th, 2013
2:29 pm
“The funny thing is you my friend want to comment on one observation intended as a come back to another progressive blogger that was full of total BS in his remarks and you ignore the original remarks and you also ignore most of the other remarks I have made about the content of this blog posting.”
You are the one full of bs, td. You continually play the latest conservative talking point game. Your ridiculous moocher/leeches/47% bs is your latest absurdity. Now when challenged you backtrack and try to include conservatives into liberal success stories. For the past 6 months liberals have been nothing but leeches to you, now suddenly according to you, “There is not a company in this nation that has been run by 100% liberals or 100% conservatives.”
Which is it td? Are liberals nothing but moochers. or are the part of our success?
dbm
January 18th, 2013
2:29 pm
Welcome to the Occupation
January 18th, 2013
12:41 pm
No doubt there are some who have inherited wealth and have just ridden on that without spending time contributing to productivity. But what has put us so far above the 1600’s is that there are more who earn wealth by using their time very effectively to improve productivity.
MAC
January 18th, 2013
2:30 pm
Keep feeling smug Jay
You talk a good game on what’s right but you’re really just keeping score on your zero sum game
Erwin's cat
January 18th, 2013
2:30 pm
LOL..
I gotta go produce for a while..
we can critique my education later this evening…in the mean time Taxpayer and indigo, get your links together on how y’all understand data analysis more than Burt Rutan
Welcome to the Occupation
January 18th, 2013
2:31 pm
makers vs takers:
I assume you’re saying that the states that vote for Democrats are moocher or taker states?
It’s the other way around. The red states are typically supported and maintained through transfers from the bigger, higher income, and more educated states, which are almost all “blue” states. Sorry.
Jackie
January 18th, 2013
2:31 pm
@Adam
The House Repubs have no cards left to play; either they own up to the spending the voted on and are trying to avoid paying the bill, or, they get pounded at the election booth.
Trying to change the election laws will not help them.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 18th, 2013
2:32 pm
td — “Allow younger workers to put 10% of their own SS into a 401 K type account. Libs go crazy and say we can not change the way things are.”
Lie. Libs say ‘go open an investment account of your own and do whatever you want with it.’
“Open Medicare to private industry to compete. Libs go crazy and say we must keep things the way they are.”
Do you even *have* any experience with Medicare? Because if you did, I don’t think you’d be saying something so ludicrous.
“Block grant Medicaid back to the states. Libs go crazy and say we must keep things the way they are.”
Lie. Many Governors REFUSED Obama’s offer of block grants.
“Privatize non essential government functions to say money. Libs go crazy and say we must keep things the way they are.”
Lie. It’s been tried in many places, but it’s not the money-saving machine conservatives paint it as.
“Now remind me again about who is resistant to change?”
Conservatives. They also lie a lot.
stands for decibels
January 18th, 2013
2:33 pm
jm, thanks for that link, great stuff. quoting here:
He worries that, if Louisiana (and Tennessee, which also has a similar law) insists on teaching students creationism, students will not be the ones discover the cure to AIDS or cancer. “We won’t be the ones to repair our own damaged wetlands and protect ourselves from more hurricanes like Katrina,” he says.
Moreover, he’s also concerned that teaching creationism will harm economic development.
“Just search creationism on Monster Jobs or Career Builder and tell me how many creationist jobs you find,” he asks. Kopplin tells us about how this past Spring, Kevin Carman, the former Dean of LSU’s College School of Science (now the Executive Vice President and Provost for the University of Nevada, Reno) testified in the Louisiana Senate Education Committee about how he had lost researchers and scientists to other states because of the Louisiana Science Education Act.
“But it also violates the separation of church and state,” he says. “Teaching Biblical creationism is promoting one very specific fundamentalist version of Christianity, and violating the rights of every other American citizen who doesn’t subscribe to those beliefs. So it would be stomping on the rights of Catholics, Mainline Protestants, Buddhists, Humanists, Muslims, Hindus, and every other religious group in the country.
These creationists, he argues, would be horrified to see the Vedas being taught in science class. “And they would have every right to be,” he says, “That’s how the separation of church and state works and it’s the foundation of our country.”
Like you said–good job, kid. That’s inspirational stuff; it’s also somewhat shameful that it took flippin’ 14-year-old to kick those ignoramuses in the butt.
JamVet
January 18th, 2013
2:34 pm
makers vs takers.
Now there is the name of a Democratic plant if ever there was one.
Thanks for your help in getting the cons crushed last November 6th, meat.
Keep up the good work, maker!
Adam
January 18th, 2013
2:34 pm
td: Allow younger workers to put 10% of their own SS into a 401 K type account. Libs go crazy and say we can not change the way things are.
Wrong way to look at it. Elected Republicans (hi Fred!) want to remove SS because they didn’t want it to be created in the first place. Turning it private is the beginning of that process. Same with Medicare.
Block grant Medicaid back to the states. Libs go crazy and say we must keep things the way they are.
Block grants are just a way to make it so that the governors can do things they want to do with the money instead of actually using the money the way the program intends. State Republican elected officials have already used block grants on other programs to deny people and to then point to the system and say “see! it doesn’t work!” after they made it work worse than intended. Medicaid would be the same, and the entire goal of a block grant.
Privatize non essential government functions to say money
Like what?
All you’ve done is show that liberals are more conservative than conservatives, and conservatives are really regressive.
Adam
January 18th, 2013
2:36 pm
jm: they get to play the sequester card
if that doesn’t work out for some reason, they’re just accumulating other good cards to play later
1) They aren’t good cards
2) They don’t have the leverage they think they have, especially on the sequester. They want to continue to act as though they want to cut spending, but howl and howl about how the defense part of the sequester can’t be allowed to happen.
Looks like you’ll just have to give it up. The Tea Party wing is dying, and the Christie wing is rising up.
TBS
January 18th, 2013
2:37 pm
side issue
Did anyone notice that the Repubs have all but voted for all of the 60B Sandy relief funds as well as the pork that was in it.
The Speaker needed a win after caving on the tax cuts and narrowly keeping his position so he split the bill and the votes, however he knew along that there was enough Republican votes in the House to get the Red State Senators the pork they wanted and knew they were going to get.
stands for decibels
January 18th, 2013
2:37 pm
Someone mentioned the tea party. I remember those guys.
Can’t believe missed this, from, yep, Rassmussen:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/january_2013/just_8_now_say_they_are_tea_party_members
Views of the Tea Party movement are at their lowest point ever, with voters for the first time evenly divided when asked to match the views of the average Tea Party member against those of the average member of Congress. Only eight percent (8%) now say they are members of the Tea Party, down from a high of 24% in April 2010 just after passage of the national health care law.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that only 30% of Likely U.S. Voters now have a favorable opinion of the Tea Party. Half (49%) of voters have an unfavorable view of the movement. Twenty-one percent (21%) are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)
Look out below…
Adam
January 18th, 2013
2:39 pm
TBS: Did anyone notice that the Repubs have all but voted for all of the 60B Sandy relief funds as well as the pork that was in it.
DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNN!
They’re playing defense now. They are hoping they can grab the rhetoric machine by the horns in a year and everyone will forget that they CAVED on several issues in January 2013.
btull27
January 18th, 2013
2:40 pm
The fact ANYONE has a positive view regarding either party shows why we are politcal idiots. BOTH sides are an embarrassment. We have a 2 party system where incompetence reigns supreme. Soon, the tide will shift and Democrats will be blamed for everything and Republicans will be voted back into power. They too, will take the results as a vote for them instead of what it always is which is a vote against the other. Every time I hear or read where either side claims to have support from the people, it makes me sick. The party crowned as the crowd favorite today will be the pathetic loser tomorrow. Our system is a perpetual wheel of blame. Neither party accepts it, but both are quick to assign it to the other. So continue with your daily cheerleading for anything BLUE or anything RED like the fight is for right vs wrong as we continue to sink into this economic cesspool.
Unsustainable Debt
January 18th, 2013
2:41 pm
You can blame the Republicans if you want to or you can blame Obama if you want to, but there’s this word called “UNSUSTAINABLE” that everyone seems to ignore. Look, it’s the DEBT stupid! I’m near retirement so all you younger people out there should be pissed at my generation. Any young person today should be screaming at both Obama and Congress. My generation is racking up all this debt and we won’t have to pay for it down the road, YOU WILL! Sooner or later this debt WILL cause the bond market to fall out.How do you think the government borrows money? They sell Bonds! Investors don’t like to buy Savings bonds when they know a country can’t manage its debt. That’s because they know they’ll be paid back in inflated dollars. When the Treasury has a failed bond auction the Federal Reserve steps in and buys the bonds (with newly printed money). That causes inflation, and eventually hyperinflation. Then the other countries decide to drop the dollar as the World Reserve Currency since it’s no longer holding value. (Some of the idiots posting on this forum don’t know what these words mean so, Google is your friend. Look up World Reserve Currency and Hyperinflation and go to usdebtclock.org . Think it won’t happen here? Think again, it happened 56 times in various countries during the last century alone and even happened in the early days of America. in every case of hyperinflation the government debt was at least 80% of the GDP, and the yearly borrowing was 40% of spending. The US is over those numbers now. Our debt is 105% of the GDP, and we borrow 40% of every dollar spent. This is not ‘doomsday prepper’ talk, this is called MATH! (Something else that they don’t teach anymore). The US is not immune to the laws of economics, but several of us are immune to learning from the past apparently. But like I say, it’ll be YOUR hide, younger generation, NOT MINE! Good luck with that and good luck with your false delusion that all is well.
stands for decibels
January 18th, 2013
2:44 pm
Adam, speaking of caving, I’m suspicious that there’s been so little talk of late about filibuster reform. Are we seeing a return of “Give ‘em head, Harry”?
Genuinely worried about this. Then again, it is Reid’s style to jab when it’s least expected, so…
stands for decibels
January 18th, 2013
2:44 pm
Brave Sir Robin SHEETZ
alittlecommonsense
January 18th, 2013
2:45 pm
“The red states are typically supported and maintained through transfers from the bigger, higher income, and more educated states, which are almost all “blue” states. Sorry.”
I’ve heard this argument ad-nauseum. It is a rather silly oversimplification and I suspect you might see it reversed if you looked at a county by county breakdown instead of state by state.
Also, most urban areas are deep blue. This is largely due to the high minority population in those areas. Also, there are a lot of businesses in urban areas which make them net tax donor areas. Two entirely unrelated issues. Most of the business owner (tax donors) are voting red. Most of the urban minorities ( net tax recipients) are voting blue.
M.C.
January 18th, 2013
2:46 pm
Governor Moonbeam has balanced his budget on a wing and a prayer. In other words, projected income. It won’t be the first time a California governor has missed the mark.
Just last November, the nonpartisan Legislative Analyst’s Office indicated California was facing a $1.9 billion deficit in the coming fiscal year. On Thursday, the governor disputed that figure, saying that revenue from the newly enacted cap-and-trade system, as well as last year’s dissolution of redevelopment agencies, will bring in more money than the LAO projects. But the governor’s been wrong about redevelopment before, so the state would do well to hold off spending that revenue until it actually comes in.
That’s why they call it LaLa Land.
Brosephus™
January 18th, 2013
2:50 pm
They think they are being cute and funny. But they are only exposing themselves for as the ignorant fu*ks they are. Now, I call them ignorant fu*ks and not products of their environment because there comes a time in everyone’s life when we get to choose how to travel down life’s path. We can choose to travel with an open mind to nurture a life of change and growth though new information, or we can choose to travel with our heads up our ass in fear. Sometimes, an enlightened path is chosen after people spend years inside their own anuses. Something happens, they emerge, and they choose to be decent human beings. And some learn nothing from life experience and maintain an existence of ignorant fu*kery that would insult a caveman.
Sometimes it takes a woman to call things as the truth they are. Those words could be used to accurately describe a few posters here. We all know who the caveman insulters are too. Hat tip to the Rude Pundit for allowing a guest poster who spoke the truth.
Adam
January 18th, 2013
2:52 pm
stands: Adam, speaking of caving, I’m suspicious that there’s been so little talk of late about filibuster reform.
Yeah… hopefully that whole thing wasn’t swept under the rug. Theoretically Jan 22 is the deadline.
td
January 18th, 2013
2:53 pm
DannyX
January 18th, 2013
2:29 pm
“The funny thing is you my friend want to comment on one observation intended as a come back to another progressive blogger that was full of total BS in his remarks and you ignore the original remarks and you also ignore most of the other remarks I have made about the content of this blog posting.”
You are the one full of bs, td. You continually play the latest conservative talking point game. Your ridiculous moocher/leeches/47% bs is your latest absurdity. Now when challenged you backtrack and try to include conservatives into liberal success stories. For the past 6 months liberals have been nothing but leeches to you, now suddenly according to you, “There is not a company in this nation that has been run by 100% liberals or 100% conservatives.”
Which is it td? Are liberals nothing but moochers. or are the part of our success?
I have been using the terms moocher and takers since 2009 on these blogs to refer to the long term welfare people that do not want to take responsibility for the choices they have made in their lives. Now since 65% of voters under $30,000 voted for Obama then there are a great deal of Democratic voters are moochers.
Now go back and find where I said ALL libs were moochers or takers?
Adam
January 18th, 2013
2:54 pm
I’ve heard this argument ad-nauseum. It is a rather silly oversimplification and I suspect you might see it reversed if you looked at a county by county breakdown instead of state by state.
Present the data.
Most of the business owner (tax donors) are voting red. Most of the urban minorities ( net tax recipients) are voting blue.
You do not know this for a fact. In fact, most of the people I know who are net tax payers vote blue whereas most of the people I know of who are poor enough to be recipients vote red.
jm
January 18th, 2013
2:59 pm
sfd 2:33 agreed
Erwin's cat
January 18th, 2013
3:15 pm
…blog about the imprecision–not inaccuracy–inherent in any model…
having precision w/o accuracy is literally being consistently wrong…
Williebkind
January 18th, 2013
3:19 pm
“We can choose to travel with an open mind to nurture a life of change and growth though new information,”
What new information? Because one discovers that the world is round and not flat does not annul moral authority. Of course, one may then have an exuse to doubt what is natural and justifying consorting to the unnatural. People of earlier times were not ignorant just because technology was in its beginning stages. Liberals use this as if it is their bible, their constitution, their reprobate minds. One blogger posted that teaching creationism would hinder growth in cancer research or protect the environment. These are lies that never got challenged in the beginning when liberals spewed that creationist was against progress. We all have learned if you want to teach something whether it is scientific or not just use incantations as liberals illustrated using the lame stream media.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 18th, 2013
3:23 pm
dbm: “But what has put us so far above the 1600’s is that there are more who earn wealth by using their time very effectively to improve productivity.”
Of course. This is true. But the question is not so much that as it is WHO benefits from the productivity. In a system such as ours which is increasingly dominated by high finance over industrial productive (which is not to say that the latter disappears, but that it comes under the former, has to pass muster on the former’s terms, rather than vice versa) it becomes extremely hard to maintain any system of income distribution that can support the kind of widespread prosperity we have taken for granted in this country the last several generations. When Goldman Sachs literally has its hands on everything — every aspect of the economy from grain production to higher education and firearm sales — then a very different logic takes over, one in which ever greater wealth is funneled upwards to the already very wealthy, and with it, ever greater political power to seize control of the levers of policy and government patronage. It’s a doomsday trap, and we’re moving swiftly along that path.
Williebkind
January 18th, 2013
3:26 pm
Welcome to the Occupation
January 18th, 2013
3:23 pm
A true socialist.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 18th, 2013
3:32 pm
Williebkind
So you’re fine with bankers seizing the levers of our political system to advance their own power and wealth?
If’s not okay with me.
Independent voice
January 18th, 2013
4:52 pm
If Republicans can’t hold steady on spending, there’s no point voting for them — they’re just Democrats.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 18th, 2013
5:07 pm
williebkind — “Because one discovers that the world is round and not flat does not annul moral authority.”
“Moral authority” is neither moral nor authoritative.
smart mass
January 18th, 2013
10:33 pm
Cosby – Welcome to my club! I read through the comments to try to advance my thinking, but I stumbled when I encountered your crude language. I suspect that you intended to make an intelligent point, but your delivery could be improved. In terms of understanding your points, I clearly fall in to your special cleverly-named category. People fall into category not only in terms of what they call others, but also in terms of their own behavior. In terms of communication behavior, you are obviously one of those “dumb masses.” Welcome! Please continue to post in a manner worthy of your category.
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