GOP leaders moonwalk away from debt-ceiling Armageddon

Slowly, painfully, political reality has begun to dawn on Washington Republicans and their supporters: If they force a major battle over the debt ceiling — a battle that they have acted oh-so-eager to fight — they are guaranteed to lose, and to lose badly.

Such a battle would be fought against superior forces, and on ill-chosen ground. The president’s approval rating are consistently above 50 percent; Congress has an approval rating of 14 percent. While Republicans still hold the House majority, they lost seats in the 2012 election and acknowledge that they held onto the majority only because of gerrymandering. Majorities of Republican voters reject key proponents of the GOP agenda, including cuts to Social Security and Medicare. In fact, 63 percent of GOP voters say the congressional GOP is out of touch. (That’s a Rasmussen number, by the way.)

And according to a new AP poll, 80 percent of Americans say that refusing to raise the debt ceiling, as House and Senate Republicans have promised to do, would touch off a major economic crisis.

Under those circumstances, threatening to force that major economic crisis unless the president implements politically unpopular policies would be the act of a fool. And fools there no doubt be.

However, a handful of Republican senators have now publicly acknowledged that the party would lose and lose badly by threatening to shut down the government. U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan, chair of the House Budget Committee, warned his fellow GOP congressmen at a retreat yesterday that their strategy has to match their capability.

As Politico described his remarks:

“Ryan said Republicans need to come to grips with the fact that they are the only Republicans in power in Washington. In the closed legislative strategy session, he said the GOP should avoid over-promising and under-delivering, according to five sources present. Instead, House Republicans should work to control expectations about what they can extract from Obama, and then people will be pleased by the result.”

The usually bellicose Charles Krauthammer is also a bit of a bellwether. He has been egging the Republicans on for weeks now, pushing them to do battle. (”If we all cliff-dive, Obama gets to preside over yet another recession. It will wreck his second term… You think he wants a second term with a double-dip recession, 9 percent unemployment and a totally gridlocked Congress? Republicans have to stop playing as if they have no cards.”)

Now, even Krauthammer wants to back down from a fight that he suddenly sees can only end badly. “The party establishment,” he writes, “is coming around to the view that if you try to govern from one house — e.g., force spending cuts with cliffhanging brinkmanship — you lose. You not only don’t get the cuts. You get the blame for rattled markets and economic uncertainty. You get humiliated by having to cave in the end. And you get opinion polls ranking you below head lice and colonoscopies in popularity.”

What’s going on here? Why this sudden outburst of strategic sanity? I think the great Samuel Johnson put it best:

“Depend upon it, sir, when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully.”

– Jay Bookman

637 comments Add your comment

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 18th, 2013
8:51 am

Good news for the country but unfortunately there are tough battles to come

vinny

January 18th, 2013
8:52 am

Meanwhile, obama has no solutions to the debt crisis and is allowed to continue to spend, spend, spend.

A hollow victory, indeed. America loses when obama is in office.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 18th, 2013
8:54 am

And there with Vinny’s post we have the continued disconnect with reality. :roll:

Doggone/GA

January 18th, 2013
8:58 am

“Meanwhile, obama has no solutions to the debt crisis and is allowed to continue to spend, spend, spend”

Mean while, Congress has no solutions to the debt crisis and continues to allocate money to spend, spend, spend. Put the blame where it BELONGS.

vinny

January 18th, 2013
8:58 am

The disconnect with reality is a ‘president’ that states that we don’t have a spending problem. He’s absolutely clueless as to how to lead a country. He’s a little boy in a mans body that throws temper tantrums when people disagree with his inane policies that are destroying this country.

vinny

January 18th, 2013
9:00 am

damned if they do, damned if they don’t.; You betwetting liberals are amazing. You complain when congress fights raising the debt ceiling, and then you turn around and point the finger when they go along with it.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 18th, 2013
9:01 am

Vinny, the President can’t spend a red cent that Congress doesn’t LET him spend.

larry

January 18th, 2013
9:02 am

When did the President say we dont have a spending problem? Why do the republicans only care about the debt when a Democrat is in the White House?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 18th, 2013
9:02 am

Vinny, you’re flailing and resorting to childishness now. In fact, Obama has led this country on a number of fronts given a very dysfunctional congress and a dysfunctional republican party. Given his 2 elections by a majority of voters, you, as are many of the base Republicans, are the one having a temper tantrum.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 18th, 2013
9:03 am

Vinny — “damned if they do, damned if they don’t.; You betwetting liberals are amazing.”

Reality’s kind of amazing too, once you let it into your life and start dealing with it.

Give it a try. Wake up to the reality that *both* Congress and the President (and not just any *one* President) share the blame in this. It’s not an either-or kind of zero-sum game.

Doggone/GA

January 18th, 2013
9:03 am

“The disconnect with reality is a ‘president’ that states that we don’t have a spending problem.”

The disconnect with reality is a “congress” that won’t recognize we have an INCOME AND SPENDING proglem.

” He’s absolutely clueless as to how to lead a country”

They’re absolutely clueless as to how to lead a country

“He’s a little boy in a mans body that throws temper tantrums when people disagree with his inane policies that are destroying this country”

They’re little boys in mens bodies that throw temper tantrums when people disagree with their inane policies that are destroying this country.

Put the blame WHERE IT BELONGS.

F. Sinkwich

January 18th, 2013
9:04 am

Another disgraceful performance by O’bozo and the Can Kickers, yet Jay and his Kommie Kludge rise up with the standing O.

RIP USA 1776-2012

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 18th, 2013
9:06 am

How many times will the “unskewed” death of USA be claimed by our drama queens? :lol:

Butch Cassidy (I)

January 18th, 2013
9:09 am

vinny – “A hollow victory, indeed. America loses when obama is in office.”

Yes, it’s unfortunate that when you had a chance to remove him, your party put Romney up instead.

TaxPayer

January 18th, 2013
9:10 am

In short (yes, a pun directed at the failings of the Republican’s testosterone enhancement attempts below), Republicans continue to lose to President Obama. Then again, I expected no less from them.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 18th, 2013
9:11 am

KUTGF — “How many times will the “unskewed” death of USA be claimed by our drama queens?”

I believe they have to wear black and stay in mourning for at least a year. Then they can go out in public again and are permitted to receive guests and entertain suitors. :D

Christian Conservative

January 18th, 2013
9:11 am

As they should Jay! Lets shut it down!!!! What good would it do for the GOP to cave. You and the rest of the so called media will blame the GOP for whatever happens anyway….

Butch Cassidy (I)

January 18th, 2013
9:11 am

vinny – “He’s a little boy in a mans body that throws temper tantrums when people disagree with his inane policies that are destroying this country.”

So what your saying is that your elected leaders in your party can’t control the temper tantrums of a little boy? Wow, no wonder you guys lost.

Ronald Reagan Parkway

January 18th, 2013
9:11 am

If the Republicans want to know how it feels to shut down the government, ask Newt Gingrich…it did not work out too well then and will not work out now!

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

January 18th, 2013
9:11 am

Regardless, you can only cry wolf so many times. Dysfunction resulting from lack of presidential and congressional leadership..big surprise.

I say let’s keep the credit limit where it is for a couple months. As Jay quoted, that will be the real focus of all of us to face reality. We spend 40% more than we collect.

How much debt is too much?

JamVet

January 18th, 2013
9:12 am

These blithering fools in the All White GOP actually think that the people of this country are just going to let the quasi-fascists right back into a position of power.

Ain’t no way in hell.

Talk about baggage!

Their draft-dodging hero W, and his even more gutless sidekick Dick, KILLED them and their insanely incompetent neocon movement.

DEAD.

They will be damn lucky to see the inside of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue for another decade or more.

RIP Sink & the Lunatic Fringe, 1980 – 2008.

Simple Truths

January 18th, 2013
9:12 am

Skewed polls!!

Just wanted to get that out of the way.

The "Real" Mitt Romney, who was he?

January 18th, 2013
9:14 am

Butch Cassidy (I)

January 18th, 2013
9:14 am

F. Sinkwich – “Another disgraceful performance by O’bozo and the Can Kickers”

If by “disgraceful performance” you mean eating the GOPs lunch once again, than I guess your right.

mae brown

January 18th, 2013
9:16 am

Jay gives the sane among us continued hope in the midst of congressional stupidity….He is outspoken w/out crass and crude comments…thanks Jay and the AJC…..

Simple Truths

January 18th, 2013
9:16 am

We’re broke. Jay has a great idea: let’s go out and borrow more money.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

January 18th, 2013
9:16 am

Another example of how our elected self serving dolts care only for futhering their career political professional quest.

What happens when you start borrowing to pay the interest on your debt?

Many of you think this is just fine and that on amount of total debt or debt service is a problem. When this bites us in the rear, during our lifetime, we will all wish someone would have stones to make a tough decision. Set a cap of say 25 trillion or a corresponding amount of annual interest, and see exactly how quickly we get there..great strategy for GOP..The dopes should give the other dopes exactly what they want..Terrific and simple metric for President Trillions..

alex

January 18th, 2013
9:17 am

learning from past mistakes, wonderful, progress, be happy for it.. moving on to tackle govt give rampant govt give aways…Debt celing attacks have been widely vetted and would not help anyone. A positive atmosphere, Jay, rejoice in it, don’t act like a petulant child….

DannyX

January 18th, 2013
9:17 am

“Yes, it’s unfortunate that when you had a chance to remove him, your party put Romney up instead.”

Disconnect from reality, otherwise known as the 2012 Republican candidates…Santorum, Bachmann, Newt, Cain, Perry, and Romney.

The summer of disconnect… Republicans, their candidates, and the conservative media.

DownInAlbany

January 18th, 2013
9:17 am

Armageddon? Dang strong words, but, the doomsday preppers (of which I am NOT one, and find it a bit comical myself) are the loons?

Butch Cassidy (I)

January 18th, 2013
9:17 am

Simple Truths – “We’re broke. Jay has a great idea: let’s go out and borrow more money.”

Apparently Congress agrees, since it looks like their not going to put up a fight.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 18th, 2013
9:18 am

B. Cassidy — “you mean eating the GOPs lunch”

Not I. My doctors have me on a strict no-s**t-sandwiches diet.

Aquagirl

January 18th, 2013
9:18 am

What good would it do for the GOP to cave. You and the rest of the so called media will blame the GOP for whatever happens anyway….

So what actually HAPPENS isn’t as important as who gets the blame. Thanks for the honesty Christian Conservative.

M.C.

January 18th, 2013
9:18 am

As of January 18, 2013.

The more prudent course would be to find some offer that cannot be refused, a short-term trade-off utterly unassailable and straightforward. For example, offer to extend the debt ceiling through, say, May 1, in exchange for the Senate delivering a budget by that date — after four years of lawlessly refusing to produce one.

Not much. But it would (a) highlight the Democrats’ fiscal recklessness, (b) force Senate Democrats to make public their fiscal choices and (c) keep the debt ceiling alive as an ongoing pressure point for future incremental demands.

Go small and simple. Forget about forcing tax reform or entitlement cuts or anything major. If Obama wants to recklessly expand government, well, as he says, he won the election.

Republicans should simply block what they can. Further tax hikes, for example. The general rule is: From a single house of Congress you can resist but you cannot impose.–Charles Krauthammer

Cosby

January 18th, 2013
9:19 am

So Jay, The indebtedness of this country rides on popular opinion and not on sound economic basis. Lets see, the dumb masses want the debt to increase but has no clue how to pay for it. yea, Jay, keep laughing, but when the bill comes, just how the hell are you going to pay for it? Time for some guts in DC, cut spending, live within the means of the country and get it on sound economic footing..but wait, the dumb masses will not like the pain associated with that so lets go borrow some more money so I can retain my elite position…dumbest thing I have ever seen…wonder what the real pain is going to be when the house of cards come crashing down…and it will be sooner than later…ahh…Obama the annoited one – ready to RULE from day one…Harry, Nancy, Obama, the three stooges that will go down in history causing The Destruction of a Nation and supported by the dumb masses!!

Sad so sad

TaxPayer

January 18th, 2013
9:19 am

Lettuce us not forget that the Koch crooks have also come out of the closet to tell the cons that their threats to refuse to raise the debt ceiling is nothing short of stoopid. Then again…

Mick

January 18th, 2013
9:20 am

sink

Welcome to the real america, not your fantacized version of bushworld…

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

January 18th, 2013
9:20 am

Butch Cassidy (I)

January 18th, 2013
9:14 am

Anyone who is more interesting in assigning blame has fallen into the trap that our politicians have set for us. Keeps the focus off the real issue that we can’t sustain this path and, as all economists (only thing we know for sure is that none of them are correct (within an acceptable level of confidence) yet all say that at some point (they wont say how much because they are all political)this will be a problem.

How about we stop borrowing when interest expense (minimum payment no pricipal) equals half our reciepts?

MiltonMan

January 18th, 2013
9:20 am

Congress at 14% approval = House & Senate; one controlled by the reps; one by the dems but don’t let that interrupt your constant rep bashing Jay. Also the crappy Bushie Jr. had a 52% approval rating going into his 2nd term. Also, no mention that Obama thought raising the debt limit was irresponsible when Bushie Jr. was president????

Butch Cassidy (I)

January 18th, 2013
9:21 am

Cosby – “The Destruction of a Nation and supported by the dumb masses!!”

Now is that a nice thing to say about your GOP majority Congress?

DownInAlbany

January 18th, 2013
9:22 am

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 18th, 2013
9:02 am

In fact, Obama has led this country on a number of fronts given a very dysfunctional congress and a dysfunctional republican party.

Yeah, how’s this for a “laser-like focus on jobs…”?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2013/01/obama-jobs-council-hits-year-without-official-meeting-154524.html

Welcome to the Occupation

January 18th, 2013
9:22 am

Well, ok, but what about the sequester? Is this not really a matter of a slight shift in focus towards the sequester instead of the debt ceiling per se?

In the middle

January 18th, 2013
9:22 am

The moral of the story is. Do the kings bidding or he will destroy you. Long live the king. All hail king Obama

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

January 18th, 2013
9:23 am

Cosby

January 18th, 2013
9:19 am

Well said. The DEMS are too betrothen to the takers and the GOP is too betrothen to the large contributors. Too bad BO lovers keep the bar low by using Bush at the key benchmark instead of using Clinton as the key benchmark.

barking frog

January 18th, 2013
9:23 am

The House of Representatives need only do it’s job.

Itchy Finger

January 18th, 2013
9:23 am

We have to stop the madness… Hopefully the GOP will grow a pair and let this reckless out of control govmint default….

Moderate Line

January 18th, 2013
9:23 am

In this whole debate what is interesting is how the Republicans are doing exactly what Obama did in the past which is play politics with the debt ceiling. It is interesting to see Jay accuse Romney of being a flip flopper when Obama was a big flip flopper on this issue.

In Obama’s own words:
The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

Road Scholar

January 18th, 2013
9:24 am

F Sink: RIP USA 1776-2012

We have been reborn! Rise Up! Its’ 2013 now , Frank,so we must have been reborn in his mind!

Butch Cassidy (I)

January 18th, 2013
9:24 am

MiltonMan – “but don’t let that interrupt your constant rep bashing ”

So the GOP once again tuck their tails between their legs and capitulate to Obama and it’s “rep bashing” by Jay? Gotcha.

TBS

January 18th, 2013
9:25 am

Cosby

Boortz called and asked if you could at least wait until he is off the air to start using his lines…

Jm

January 18th, 2013
9:26 am

Will be interesting to see how this plays out

Yes America, this is your President. From politico:

“Obama Jobs Council hits 1 year without official meeting

By JOSH GERSTEIN | 01/18/2013 12:11 AM EST | Updated: 01/18/2013 01:05 AM EST
President Barack Obama’s Jobs Council hit a notable milestone on Thursday: one year without an official meeting. The 26-member panel is also set to expire at the end of the month, unless Obama extends its tenure.

The group, formally known as the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, last convened on Jan. 17, 2012 for a White House session where it presented formal recommendations to Obama. It was the panel’s fourth official meeting since it was created in early 2011.

A spokesman for Jobs Council chairman Jeffrey Immelt, who’s the CEO of General Electric, referred questions about the panel’s future to the White House.

A White House spokeswoman had no comment Thursday.”

Butch Cassidy (I)

January 18th, 2013
9:27 am

DownInAlbany -”Yeah, how’s this for a “laser-like focus on jobs…”?”

Translation: My party is collapsing under the weight of a President that was supposed to be able to be beaten by Elmer Fudd, so I will now go off topic in the hope that we can deviate from the main platform.

East Lake Ira

January 18th, 2013
9:27 am

Nice to see the Cons have fully embraced their racism.

Well done Vinny.

You are a shining example of what the GOP is really all about.

Butch Cassidy (I)

January 18th, 2013
9:28 am

Stevie Ray – “the GOP is too betrothen to the large contributors.”

I do give them credit for having the sense to listen to their monied masters. Kudos!

Jm

January 18th, 2013
9:28 am

JamVet

January 18th, 2013
9:29 am

OK, off to see the socialists at the government can do nothing right VAMH.

Keep crushing these America-hating confederate conservatives, libs!

TaxPayer

January 18th, 2013
9:29 am

If Republicans in the House were to introduce a new rule allowing them to carry an enhanced rod–AR-15 or bigger–into the chamber, perhaps that would allow them to at least pretend as though they have a complementary pair.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 18th, 2013
9:29 am

DIA — “the doomsday preppers (of which I am NOT one, and find it a bit comical myself) are the loons?”

Man, my wife and I were active on the Y2K doomer boards (trolling, actually), and those guys were way, way over the top. They’ll deny it unto their dying breaths, but they were PRAYING for societal collapse because they thought that the best-prepped among them would be the ‘warlords’ or leaders of the remains of society.

Crazoids like Bruce Beach, who buried a couple dozen school buses in building his shelter.

Nutcases like Ed Yourdon, who still works for Deutsche Bank, last I checked. He asserted that worldwide banking and technology was headed for inevitable worldwide collapse, and yet EVEN TODAY people are still paying him for his technological advice.

Loons like Gary North, who advocated for theocratic rule in the wake of the ‘inevitable’ Y2K disaster.

Nitwits like Paul Milne, who claimed that “if you’re within five miles of a 7-11, you’re toast.”

And genuine crazoids like Dennis Olson, who said in 1999, “(t)hose of us that have “insurance” just have to pick you people off before you break in to our homes. Outside of THAT, we’ll just sit back and watch you people die off.”

Yeah, they were comical, and that’s why we trolled them. But many of the really *serious* ones had some major hate issues against the rest of society.

Moderate Line

January 18th, 2013
9:30 am

Spending in 2005 constant dollars:
The trend is up.

2005 2,472.0
2006 2,564.3
2007 2,564.1
2008 2,703.8
2009 3,173.4
2010 3,081.0
2011 3,126.3
2012 estimate 3,212.5
2013 estimate 3,157.4
2014 estimate 3,165.0
2015 estimate 3,246.6
2016 estimate 3,395.7
2017 estimate 3,484.1

Mick

January 18th, 2013
9:30 am

This whole debt scenerio is mostly bogus political spin. How come the cons never said anything about the ryan plan when it had us at 23 trillion deficits if it were to be enacted? If you really want to see some wingnut heads explode, read krugmans column today – too much common sense…

Jm

January 18th, 2013
9:30 am

Good quote jay (Johnson) if there was ambiguity there

Butch Cassidy (I)

January 18th, 2013
9:30 am

Itchy Finger – “Hopefully the GOP will grow a pair and let this reckless out of control govmint default….”

Hopefully we will have flying cars by February.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 18th, 2013
9:30 am

Well DIA, what exactly has the Republican house done to pass the President’s job bills? How many times has the House instead tried to repeal Obamacare? But hey, I’d love more focus on jobs and stimulating the economy, repairing the damages from Sandy and addressing the many other issues facing this country. So what do you say we tell the House Republicans to stop playing stupid (well I am assuming they are playing but the Tea Party Republicans may in fact be stupid), and work with the President and the Senate to accomplish a few things. If the clownish GOP base that we see post here daily would start forcing their representatives to act seriously instead of playing to the extreme right, things can be accomplished.

Welcome to the Occupation

January 18th, 2013
9:30 am

Though it is certainly good news in a narrow sense that there will likely be no bloody fight over the debt ceiling, you have to keep your eye on the target here, which is the cuts that ultimately stand to be made.

When you consider what a pliant and “willing” negotiator Barack Obama is — why he’s almost as eager to make huge cuts as his supposed Republican counterparts — what may in fact dawned on them was that it was finally time to pull back and prepare to reap huge gains in the ideological “struggle” to roll back social programs, which as it turns out is not really much of a struggle at all considering that he has willing accomplices in this supposed “progressive” Democratic president who will have presided over a shrinking of government employment and the size of government discretionary spending in general not seen since the immediate post WWII years. Although both parties have baked off for now on attacking the Big 3, showing that there does persist something to the “3rd rail” myth in American politics, the groundwork has nonetheless been laid.

Jm

January 18th, 2013
9:31 am

My guess is short term debt ceilin increase

Followed by huge fight over sequester

DannyX

January 18th, 2013
9:31 am

“Congress at 14% approval = House & Senate; one controlled by the reps; one by the dems but don’t let that interrupt your constant rep bashing Jay.”

From the Wa Post ABC News poll…

Obama, 55% approval
Democratss in Congress, 37% approval
Republicans in Congress, 24% approval

24%!! George W is smiling, “My 29% is looking pretty good. I’m a star Republican again. 2016 Republican convention here I come!”

TaxPayer

January 18th, 2013
9:31 am

Republicans do have President Obama beat on the jobs talk though. They have not done a thing to create a job since their 2010 jobs campaign. Kudos, cons.

Jm

January 18th, 2013
9:33 am

Oh yes and there’s then the fight over a budget to avoid a shutdown

Obama seems incapable of running America

He has already violated the law by not delivering a budget to congress by the constitutional deadline

godless heathen

January 18th, 2013
9:33 am

Why can’t we have a thread about guns?

Butch Cassidy (I)

January 18th, 2013
9:33 am

Moderate Line – “Spending in 2005 constant dollars:
The trend is up.

2005 2,472.0
2006 2,564.3
2007 2,564.1
2008 2,703.8
2009 3,173.4
2010 3,081.0
2011 3,126.3
2012 estimate 3,212.5
2013 estimate 3,157.4
2014 estimate 3,165.0
2015 estimate 3,246.6
2016 estimate 3,395.7
2017 estimate 3,484.1″

You better tell Congress to do something about it. Oh wait……

JamVet

January 18th, 2013
9:34 am

One last note before I go see the vampires, kudos to Uncle Miltie and his “crappy Bushie” observation.

This is a good first step in the GOP coming back around to some semblance of rationality and reason.

Gawdknows I’m no therapist, but I really do think it would be good for them to explore this more. Be brave enough to face those neocon demons! It is your only way to redemption!

Like Lincoln, did, we libs would welcome you back into the American Union!

LOL.

Have a great morning, all…

TBS

January 18th, 2013
9:34 am

JHM

You ever check out Alex Jones @ Infowars?

Not sure if he is a “doomsday prepper” but he pushes some whacked out black helicpoter theories to say the least…

The Ron Paul folks love him

RB from Gwinnett

January 18th, 2013
9:34 am

“Such a battle would be fought against superior forces, and on ill-chosen ground. The president’s approval rating are consistently above 50 percent; Congress has an approval rating of 14 percent. ”

Thanks to a band of media stooges like Bookman singing the man’s praises and blaming every ill in this nation on Republicans while holding Obama responsible for NOTHING. Sheep being led to slaughter while Bookman cheers them along….

robert goulet

January 18th, 2013
9:34 am

Republicans should approve a short term (3 month) debt limit increase, and continue to force the issue to come to a vote. The more this issue comes to a vote, the more the press will have to cover the fact that our government, in its current form, is unsustainable. Then maybe there can be some intelligent entitlement reform and wasteful government spending conversations.

Jm

January 18th, 2013
9:34 am

Trillion dollar coin krugman?

The man is a joke and the laughingstock of the economic world

Jm

January 18th, 2013
9:35 am

Godless 9:33 :)

Welcome to the Occupation

January 18th, 2013
9:35 am

StevieRay: “Well said. The DEMS are too betrothen to the takers and the GOP is too betrothen to the large contributors”

You talk like the “takers” and the “large contributors” are not one and the same. They are.

Still no takers on the **sequester** issue?

Anybody? Bookman?

Keep your eye on the sequester, I say, that’s where the action seems to be shifting to.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

January 18th, 2013
9:35 am

Well, so much for the Great Atlanta Ice Disaster. I expect the local news stations think the TV audience is mostly old f@rts that want to hear the worst and then say, “It’s just awful! This is what we get when we defy God and go land on the moon.” Then these hack weather people like to hold a big banquet at the end of the year and get awards for forecasting the worst disaster.

Anyhow, looks like the godly Republicans have been whupped and don’t want to admit it. They’d need a stepladder to reach a piece of whale dung but they still set around and act like they got everybody behind them. Now I see that one dim bulb wants to do this debt ceiling thing every couple months. My Daddy always said you can’t cure stupid and looks like he was right. Alot of these people got a barrel of stupid poured all over them. When you get your butt kicked seven ways from Sunday don’t come back for more, is what I say.

I’m out here in the cold hauling and lugging, trying to get you drunks fine folks ready for FNM. I sure hope somebody plays old Merle Haggard tonight. I get awful tired of Bookman picking these people you never heard of to play stuff you never heard of. Have a good Friday everybody.

Butch Cassidy (I)

January 18th, 2013
9:36 am

RB from Gwinnett – Thanks to a band of media stooges like Bookman singing the man’s praises and blaming every ill in this nation on Republicans while holding Obama responsible for NOTHING.”

Awwww….poor boo boo. His party just doesn’t have the stones to win the fight.

Welcome to the Occupation

January 18th, 2013
9:37 am

RB from Gwinnett: “Thanks to a band of media stooges like Bookman singing the man’s praises and blaming every ill in this nation on Republicans while holding Obama responsible for NOTHING”

Aww. You sound really ticked about all this.

Whats ‘a matter, things not going to your liking?

alittlecommonsense

January 18th, 2013
9:38 am

YAY!! We get more debt!! Great for the country. Let’s Celebrate!!!!!

Really – shouldn’t we all be disgusted every time the debt ceiling has to be raised? Whether there is a D or an R in office? The ceiling was 9 trillion back in 2007. It’s 16.5 trillion now. Instead of disgust at the debt burden this piles on our children, Jay is celebrating a political “win” over the Republicans.

How about being an American first then an R or a D second?

RB from Gwinnett

January 18th, 2013
9:38 am

“Obama, 55% approval
Democratss in Congress, 37% approval
Republicans in Congress, 24% approval”

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy. ” Author in dispute

Have another cookie, libs.

Seriously Folks

January 18th, 2013
9:38 am

Okay all this “noise” about the debt ceiling is childish. FACT: The “government” has shrunk under President Obama. FACT: The”President Trillions” in debt became immediate because Obama actually included the COST of the TWO WARS his predecessor got us into, into his first budget instead of “keeping it off the books.” There is no “liberal bias” in stating those two FACTS!

The sad part is that people want to blame the other side for doing exactly what most every “private sector” business debates every day. Do we do one of the following to address “tough” times: A) Do we cut all our costs and “hunker down” until the economy improves? or B) Do we invest in new technology, re-tool, re-train and spend our reserves to find a new niche in the market to so we can grow ourselves out of this??

There are only TWO options to “getting this country out of the hole”….and only TWO. We can either CUT our way out of this mess? Or GROW our way out. There is no “third option.” I am not here to say that one way is better than the other…or that those who don’t agree with me are “fascists, commies, liberals, Cons” or whatever little box posters like to put each other in.

So my challenge to you all is this: If you agree that we need to CUT our way out, say so. Then explain how this will turn our economy around. If you believe we need to GROW our way out of this, then again, cite things/examples of how we can turn this around.

I for one am of the GROW crowd. And all you need to look to is the last time we had such horrible financial calamity in this country….It was called the New Deal, and it ushered in the largest scale growth in the history of the modern world….

Aquagirl

January 18th, 2013
9:40 am

They’ll deny it unto their dying breaths, but they were PRAYING for societal collapse because they thought that the best-prepped among them would be the ‘warlords’

It’s both sad and creepy to watch an adult cackle that you’re gonna be sorry when the apocalypse/collapse/Turbo Jeezus comes and they’ll be the ones laughing. They spend their whole lives waiting for some ill-defined daddy to avenge their bathroom swirlies.

Mick

January 18th, 2013
9:40 am

jm

You couldn’t shine krugmans shoes when it comes to economics, it’s ideology that you’re more connected to…

Get Real

January 18th, 2013
9:41 am

The nation’s exponential debt increase under this president will in fact be this country’s Armageddon

Thomas Heyward Jr

January 18th, 2013
9:41 am

Paul Ryan is a bailout metro-sexual girly man.
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I would agree with Bookman that he needs a Bushmaster to feel manly.

Jm

January 18th, 2013
9:42 am

Seriously

I sympathize

But you can’t grow your way out of a hole this deep

Like asking a 1 year old to hurry up and grow out of a 50 foot deep well

Butch Cassidy (I)

January 18th, 2013
9:42 am

alittlecommonsense – “How about being an American first then an R or a D second?”

Great, I say the GOP just needs to stand firm and let the chips fall where they may. Unfortunately, they’ve already decided that when money says jump, the GOP say how high?

Living With Open Eyes

January 18th, 2013
9:42 am

What do you call two blondes with a republican standing between them?

Triplets.

Vashtai

January 18th, 2013
9:42 am

How do you unseat a House Rep in a gerrymandered district? Who do you put up to run against them? If the republicans admit the only way they kept control was by rigged districts, don’t we need a less biased group to set House districts? Even though it it’s legal, it’s still not just.

DanFromMo

January 18th, 2013
9:43 am

Ya, forget about doing what is best for this country and our children and grandchildren who cannot vote…. Spend you deadbeats!

Mick

January 18th, 2013
9:43 am

rb

Do you really, really, believe half the krapola you put up? No more cookies for you…

Jm

January 18th, 2013
9:44 am

Mick

I could clean krugman’s clock

I have an economics degree

In addition to that, I haven’t been sitting in an ivory tower for 30 years

Butch Cassidy (I)

January 18th, 2013
9:45 am

RB from Gwinnett – “Have another cookie, libs.”

Have another Xanax RB. If you’re lucky, you might be able to sleep through the next 4 years and awaken to a fresh new Republican majority day in 2016.

Jay

January 18th, 2013
9:46 am

Just to expand on RB’s thought, from a newly released Wall Street Journal/NBC poll:

Just 26 percent of Americans have a positive view of the Republican Party; 49 percent have a negative view.

The comparable numbers for Democrats are 44 percent positive, 38 percent negative.

And yes, I know, it’s all the “unskewed” media’s fault. If only more people lived within the reality-free zone created by having Fox News on 24 hours a day, things would be different.

Thomas Heyward Jr

January 18th, 2013
9:46 am

Seriously Folks

I for one am of the GROW crowd. And all you need to look to is the last time we had such horrible financial calamity in this country….It was called the New Deal, and it ushered in the largest scale growth in the history of the modern world….
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Government school alert!
Government School alert!
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lol
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But seriously….I did hear tell that Obamam has an idea on how to “grow” the employment.
He plans on expanding the NBA to 30,000 teams.
AND play the games at midnight for all those courts that Clinton built.
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lol

Butch Cassidy (I)

January 18th, 2013
9:47 am

Get Real – “The nation’s exponential debt increase under this president will in fact be this country’s Armageddon”

Isn’t that why you guys elected the GOP Congressional leaders to stop him? What happened, did the rhetoric and political grandstanding become to much for your boys?

Joe Hussein Mama

January 18th, 2013
9:47 am

TBS — “JHM You ever check out Alex Jones @ Infowars?”

I think my wife goes there sometimes to drop stinkbombs and run. :D

We sometimes dropped in on places like Art Bell, Carnicom, Chemtrails and some even loonier than that. Did you know that alien shapechanging lizards are infiltrating our government? Well, some of those sites will tell you ALL about it! :D

Herr Gaijer

January 18th, 2013
9:48 am

You read more into it than whats was said. I read no ‘Moon walk away from our goals. While you personally might be a Ovomit supporter, millions of us are not. Ryan is Just stating a fact that we will fight but may not get everything. And neither will you Liberals.