The ever-subtle geniuses at the NRA strike again
The National Rifle Association is not exactly renowned for its subtlety and sense of decorum. It does not persuade; it bullies. It does not discuss; it shouts. And decades of exposure to its own shouting have left it tone-deaf.
The NRA’s newest ad continues in the long tradition.
As the NRA apparently sees it, it is hypocritical and elitist for the president to protect his two daughters against kidnap efforts or physical attack by enemies foreign or domestic unless every other child in America also gets his or her own personal Secret Service detail.
– Jay Bookman
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bmdpd
January 16th, 2013
3:05 pm
Just like the libs and the government. Please look at the link. Notice how many were killed with assault weapons (long guns) in 2011.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8
Forseti
January 16th, 2013
3:05 pm
Wow….looks like the questions I asked have offended someone……doesn’t look like a discussion much at all.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 16th, 2013
3:06 pm
sure you did…all the shelves were empty last i checked….except .44 mag
Absolutely, although I did see a few boxes of self defense rounds in a couple of calibers.
jack mccoy
January 16th, 2013
3:08 pm
jesus loved guns. nuff said. I’m turnin up my Toby keith record and watchin’ that kewl Navy Seals movie.
Seriously Folks
January 16th, 2013
3:09 pm
George Washington..in response to your quote, you forgot the asterisk…” * This does not apply to blacks, minorities or women” There. Fixed it for you. You are welcome
bmdpd
January 16th, 2013
3:10 pm
323 killed by rifles in 2011.
728 beaten to death with hands, feet, etc…..
1694 killed with knives.
Let’s go after rifles!
stands for decibels
January 16th, 2013
3:10 pm
The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. -Thomas Jefferson
“Now go do my fightin’ for me. I’m off to bang the slave help.”
-Thomas Jefferson
Welcome to the Occupation
January 16th, 2013
3:10 pm
0311: “Right after Newtown, the NRA recommended resource officers in schools and the libs. and press were beside ”
Were you there in Newtown to help clean up the slaughtered children from the walls and floors of the school?
I mean, you know, if you’re convinced that the most important thing in the world is to stick your thumb in the eyes of these phantasmal ‘liberals”, and since what these liberals obviously want is to take away all the guns, then clearly the thing to do is to buck up and accept these slaughters as a necessary price.
So the lest you could do is offer some support and help mop up after some of the slaughters, which are only growing.
StuDawg
January 16th, 2013
3:10 pm
Is that all you got “Partisay”? I totally destroy your argument and you tell me my caps lock is on?
2manyfools
January 16th, 2013
3:10 pm
Paul,
U are obviously someone who never needed a gun and probably a whimp, one that never lead anything or anyone. It is people like you that need to give up your citzenship and MOVE. There is no one anywhere in this country that doesn’t feel for those who become/became victims of violence of any kind including guns or not. U were probably driving and texting this message but dont believe it should be illegal. Your comments are shallow and without common sense. Go somewhere else and write something meaningful until you know all the facts.
DebbieDoRight - More Killing To Stop The Killers Until All The Killers Have Been Killed.
January 16th, 2013
3:11 pm
Listen children to a story That was written long ago
‘Bout a kingdom on a mountain And the valley folk below
On the mountain was a treasure Buried deep beneath a stone
And the valley people swore They’d have it for their very own
Go ahead and hate your neighbor
Go ahead and cheat a friend
Do it in the name of Heaven
You can justify it in the end
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTBx-hHf4BE
He look over at me. I thought you was finally happy, hes say. What wrong now?
You a lowdown dog is what’s wrong, I say. It’s time to leave you and enter into Creation. And your dead body just the welcome mat I need.”
― Alice Walker, The Color Purple
JohnnyReb
January 16th, 2013
3:12 pm
“do you really think Obama wants the workers to own the factories?”
Yes he does. That’s why put the GM union ahead of secured bond holders when GM went bankrupt.
SAMUEL ADAMS
January 16th, 2013
3:12 pm
The Constitution shall never be construed….to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. -Samuel Adams
stands for decibels
January 16th, 2013
3:12 pm
and watchin’ that kewl Navy Seals movie.
the one where they show Merkuns that torture works, and we never woulda got that Bin Laden fella without it? yeah, I hear it’s awesome.
DownInAlbany
January 16th, 2013
3:14 pm
FWIW, I will never for the life of me understand why small businesses didn’t just get behind Single-Payer. It would have taken the whole insurance hassle completely out of your hands and you wouldn’t have had to mess with it any more.
My issue with a single payer…right now docs get paid by Aetna, BCBS, etc. At times there may be disputes with one or the other. While that dispute is being settled (they are not paying docs during this dispute time)…all the other companies are paying….so the practice can be cash-flowed. If there is a dispute with a single payer, ALL the payments stop!
jack mccoy
January 16th, 2013
3:14 pm
2manyfools:
right on brother! anybody that don’t own a bunch of guns is a mexican texting wimp! we should have our next local NRA meeting at your trailer cause mine is full of Elvis collectible plates and MMA Wrasslin’ stuff…plus mama is gettin mad that I ain’t got a job yet…but I got guns!
GO AMERICA! FREEDOM!
bmdpd
January 16th, 2013
3:15 pm
323 killed by rifles in 2011.
728 beaten to death with hands, feet, etc…..
1694 killed with knives.
Let’s go after rifles!
Assault Weapons are rifles you know.
Jay
January 16th, 2013
3:17 pm
Fred, if you cannot debate without personally belittling those with whom you disagree, then go away.
Also, sheets.
godless heathen
January 16th, 2013
3:17 pm
Listen children to a story
Come and listen to a story ’bout a man named Jed…..
Recon 0311 2533
January 16th, 2013
3:17 pm
bmdpd,
Interesting that 2011 homicides by rifles equaled 323, while personnel weapons hands, feet accounted for 728 homicides. Maybe the government should ban martial art studios.
Brosephus™
January 16th, 2013
3:17 pm
JHM @ 2:31
I’m sure our conservative friends and associates will see the wisdom of charging more from the people who are consuming more of a good or service. After all, that’s just smart business, right?
Yeah right….
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/thinktanked/wp/2013/01/16/liberals-pay-more-in-utah-smoothie-shop-surcharge-goes-to-conservative-groups/
Steve-USA (I don't have all the answer's, I don't even know all the questions)
January 16th, 2013
3:18 pm
Watched Frontline’s “Inside Obama’a Presidency” last night. It was outstanding. OUTSTANDING.
Catch a replay if you can.
Fred ™
January 16th, 2013
3:18 pm
JohnnyReb
January 16th, 2013
3:12 pm
“do you really think Obama wants the workers to own the factories?”
Yes he does. That’s why put the GM union ahead of secured bond holders when GM went bankrupt.
++++++++++++++++++++++++
Yeah because everyone knows that the people who actually DID the work don’t deserve to be paid while people who (wink wink) *risked* some money deserve everything.
Uh Huh....Obama Is a Straight Shooter
January 16th, 2013
3:19 pm
@StuDawg
January 16th, 2013
2:55 pm
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\
“PROTECT OURSELVES AGAINST TYRANNY IN GOVERNMENT”.
Tyranny?????
Are you speaking of a cruel and oppressive government or rule?
Are you speaking of a nation under such cruel and oppressive government?
You are REALLY REACHING.
This ain’t about TYRANNY AND YOU JKNOW.
This is about those 20 children and 6 teachers that were MURDERED
by a demonically crazed person with a HIGH POWERED WEAPON.
Those 20 children DID NOT STAND A CHANCE.
Like Noah who was shot 11 times,,,
TYRANNY?????
MALARKEY
Shame on all of you.
HAVE YOU FORGETTEN ABOUT THOSE CHILDREN?
Partisay
January 16th, 2013
3:19 pm
So StuDawg, you totally destroyed my argument? I didn’t know we were in one. And I’m glad you got that caps lock deal taken care of…
bmdpd
January 16th, 2013
3:19 pm
BAN HAMMERS AND BLUNT OBJECTS. They killed 496 people in 2011. “Assault weapons” killed less.
Erwin's cat
January 16th, 2013
3:20 pm
The Constitution shall never be construed….to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. -Samuel Adams
oh…and try my new winter ale
DebbieDoRight - More Killing To Stop The Killers Until All The Killers Have Been Killed.
January 16th, 2013
3:20 pm
U are obviously someone who never needed a gun and probably a whimp, one that never lead anything or anyone.
Interesting. When I was coming up, military brat that I am, all you needed to get through the bad part of town to the good part of town were your fists and your wits.
Sometimes you got into fights, sometimes you ran from fights, but EVERY time you returned home in time for dinner. But you weren’t scared to put up your fists if you had to and fight. Now people are scared of getting their azzes kicked, they’ll shoot an unarmed kid before they’ll fight.
Today, people are such punks, suck scared azzes, such pu##$$ies, they’re scared to go out their door unless they’re heavily armed. Yet they have the nerve to call someone else a wimp.
Interesting.
Shug: [to Celie] You sho’ is ugly! — Alice Walker The Color Purple
jack mccoy
January 16th, 2013
3:21 pm
Recon 0311:
Ban martial arts studios? Next you’ll be talkin’ bout bannin Chuck by God Norris…commie…
MeetInTheMiddle
January 16th, 2013
3:21 pm
@ JamVet
Really? Couple facts about the Nixon administration all you got? Today’s GOP is farther to the right than the GOP of 10 years ago, absolutely. But more so than the right of 40 years ago? Nah, brother. And claiming that “all progress” on social issues came from Liberals is absurd. Come on, you’re better than that. EVEN IF that was the truth, “liberals” in the 60’s and 70’s weren’t united on the changes, either.
You can quote me Nixon facts all you want; fact of the matter is that as a political system and a society we are center-right and have been moving left for decades. The extremism on the right – and left – of late is an abberation and will go away like it always does.
The other half of your brain.
January 16th, 2013
3:22 pm
East Lake Ira
January 16th, 2013
1:21 pm
So if I understand the rubes on the right correctly, we need to treat all children equally without regard to their circumstances.
Is that right?
” No, My kids are better than your kids and deserve more. “
bmdpd
January 16th, 2013
3:22 pm
Just ignore the FACTS, liberals. Just ignore the FACTS! Gun murders have decreased since 2008.
williebkind
January 16th, 2013
3:25 pm
“So Mr. Allen, you are of the opinion that the Second Amendment requires that we allow personal, private possession of anti-tank weapons, Stinger anti-aircraft missiles, grenade launchers, etc.? You know, “individual weapons equal to that of individual federal soldiers in order to defend against tyranny”?”
Yes I do! It would take that to make me equal to that million man government army some nut mentioned above.The Swiss have automatic weapons in their homes and how is that working now.
GG, you want to 9:34 Stands? I thought he was a H O M O S E X U A L.
The other half of your brain.
January 16th, 2013
3:25 pm
Yeah because everyone knows that the people who actually DID the work don’t deserve to be paid while people who (wink wink) *risked* some money deserve everything.
” Freddy, If there were no risk takers there wouldn’t be any jobs. Period! “
STUDAWG
January 16th, 2013
3:25 pm
YES PARTISAY I TOTALLY DESTROYED YOUR ARGUMENT. YOU SEE, AMERICA IS NOT A DEMOCRACY, SO IT DOESNT MATTER IF A MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WANT A CERTAIN LAW. AMERICA IS A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC. THE COUNTRY WORKS WITHIN A FRAMEWORK OF THE CONSTITUTION. THESE ARE FACTS, GET IT? GOT IT? GOOD.
Uh Huh....Obama Is a Straight Shooter
January 16th, 2013
3:26 pm
@old man
January 16th, 2013
2:33 pm
Jay, I see the pop up headline about the woman robbed AT GUNPOINT at the Kroger in Vinings. Wow, her chances of surviving that would have been much higher if she had been armed and pulled her handgun out of her purse and gotten in a gun fight with that thug.
See? Another argument for gun rights! Go NRA!
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You sound like a wannabe COWBOY.
This AIN’T the WILD WILD WEST.
Shoot outs in the streets?
Here we go with the craziness.
old man
January 16th, 2013
3:27 pm
Fred:
I was waiting for your post.
The real issue that people don’t process is how pervasive gun ownership, assault weapon ownership, open carry, concealed carry, etc., creates a subtle but powerful warping of our social fabric.
Example: you’re in line at the deli. Some @sshole breaks in front of the line, right in front of you, after you’ve been waiting for 15 minutes. You look down and see he has a 9mm Glock strapped to his hip. What do you do?
Oh, never mind. I forgot that gun owners are all nice, polite, and well-behaved at all times. How stupid of me. It doesn’t matter anyway. I can always assure my place in line by just buying my own gun and carrying it openly in public all the time.
Fred ™
January 16th, 2013
3:28 pm
This is the pot calling the kettle black. You have just described yourself Fraud.
A perfect example. You STILL have said nothing that merits debate AND you use a clever (to you) little insulting name towards me, just like you did to the President in your initial trollling crap bomb post.
bmdpd
January 16th, 2013
3:29 pm
Still ignoring facts. Firearm murders have dropped since the assault weapons ban expired.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8
STUDAWG
January 16th, 2013
3:29 pm
“GUN FREE ZONES” SHOULD BE CHANGED TO “ARMED AND READY ZONES”. THAT WOULD DETER CRIMINALS.
MeetInTheMiddle
January 16th, 2013
3:29 pm
@ welcome to the occupation
In no way was society more liberal in the 60’s and 70’s. The only reason people think that is because the liberalization movements of that time were so radical – because the nation was so far to the right side. All of those things, feminism, sexual freedom, etc. are not part of the norm. If you told someone today you didn’t think that Blacks should have the same rights as whites or that women should get paid less than men you would laughed at and labeled a radical. Those were the accepted notions of a HUGE portion of society a few decades ago. And social issues are certainly not the only measure of a society on the spectrum, but they are certainly an indicator.
And as to your seemingly romantic notions about the leftist states pre 1989, any “progress” the statist nations of the 20th century made in leveling the playing field came at the expense of tens of millions of innocent people being slaughtered. Ask the millions of Chinese, Russians, Cambodians, etc. that gave their lives how they felt about that progress. Oh yeah, you can’t.
Bob
January 16th, 2013
3:29 pm
Figures lefties would whine about the truth. Davis Gregory sends his kids to Sidwell Friends as well but had a real problem with the idea of armed guards for other people’s kids. But Gregory is allowed to possess an illegal clip as well. Do as I say and not as I do libs. Whats next, will we find out that Obamacare is good enough for us but not good enough for congress ? Sarcasm of course, they exempted themselves from Obamacare and will exempt themselves from gun laws also. I understand libs want gov to take care of them but how can you sit back and ignore the double standards. If it’s not good enough for gov employees it’s not good enough for me. It is good enough for you though. Ask yourself why you are stuck dumping thousands into Social Security while so many public employees won exemption from it.
Uh Huh....Obama Is a Straight Shooter
January 16th, 2013
3:32 pm
@Seriously Folks
January 16th, 2013
2:37 pm
Okay..this has been a LONG thread…so I would like to interject what I think is the BEST solution….from Chris Rock (sorry there IS vulgarity) but a REALLY salient point he makes!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAoMNEQo4sQ
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heeheeheeheeheeheeeheeheeheehee
A REALLY good point CHRIS.
td
January 16th, 2013
3:32 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
January 16th, 2013
1:50 pm
Shine — “I voted for Obama and the NRA video is correct…if its good enough for his kids its good enough for mine.”
Good. Now all you have to do is convince Congress that they should extend Secret Service protection to your kids, just like they decided to do with Presidents’ children in Title 18 of the Code of Federal Regulations.
Only problem with your statement is that there were 9 (instead of 11 now and not counting SS officers) prior to the Obama kids attending for the protection of other Federal employees children and the children of the likes of David Gregory.
STUDAWG
January 16th, 2013
3:33 pm
old man, that analogy is ridiculous. I would tell the guy to get to the back of the line. Are you saying I wouldnt because he has a gun on his hip? I can assure you, I would, whether I was carrying or not.
williebkind
January 16th, 2013
3:33 pm
I noticed CNN has stopped most of its blogs. I guess the people are for the NRA and they can not have that seen on their media. The NRA ad was great.
Regnad Kcin
January 16th, 2013
3:33 pm
““do you really think Obama wants the workers to own the factories?”
Yes he does. That’s why put the GM union ahead of secured bond holders when GM went bankrupt.’
Seriously, JohnnyReb – now we know to ignore anything you post. Seriously, man, seek help.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
January 16th, 2013
3:34 pm
Curious @ 3:00
Nope.
DebbieDoRight - More Killing To Stop The Killers Until All The Killers Have Been Killed.
January 16th, 2013
3:35 pm
You should be stronger than me
You been here 7 years longer than me
Don’t you know you supposed to be the man?
Not pale in comparison to who you think I am
‘Cause I’ve forgotten all of young love’s joy
Feel like a lady and you my lady boy
All I need is for my man to live up to his role
Always wanna talk it through, I’m okay
Always have to comfort you everyday
But that’s what I need you to do, are you gay?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOLJx0qoiNs
he jail you planned for me is the one you’re gonna rot in. — Alice Walker, The Color Purple
Joe Hussein Mama
January 16th, 2013
3:36 pm
DIA — “My issue with a single payer…right now docs get paid by Aetna, BCBS, etc. At times there may be disputes with one or the other. While that dispute is being settled (they are not paying docs during this dispute time)…all the other companies are paying….so the practice can be cash-flowed. If there is a dispute with a single payer, ALL the payments stop!”
I’m familiar with that position. It’s popular with conservatives.
Strangely, however, many of them don’t see a problem when an individual policyholder gets f**ked by an insurance carrier’s refusal to pay their legitimate claim. They only seem to care when it’s the provider that doesn’t get *their* money.
As someone who’s visited (and come back from) Bad Sick Land in the last few years, I can assure you that a sick patient’s unpaid bills are of a lot more consequence to the patient than to the provider.
MeetInTheMiddle
January 16th, 2013
3:37 pm
@ DebbieDoRight
Be honest, is this Craig’s dad from Friday?
BTB
January 16th, 2013
3:37 pm
Bookman, you really attract an interesting crowd.
williebkind
January 16th, 2013
3:38 pm
“Yes he does. That’s why put the GM union ahead of secured bond holders when GM went bankrupt.’”
Are you saying unions are the will of the people? How ignorant can one get!
Joe Hussein Mama
January 16th, 2013
3:39 pm
td — “Only problem with your statement is that there were 9 (instead of 11 now and not counting SS officers) prior to the Obama kids attending for the protection of other Federal employees children and the children of the likes of David Gregory.”
Already covered in another post.
Scrape up the tuition and send your kids there.
Oh, not enough scratch?
Too bad.
jack mccoy
January 16th, 2013
3:40 pm
stupid i MEAN STUDAWG is right…we shouldn’t have gun free zones and strict gun laws like them pansies in the UK and Ireland, I mean they don’t have but, like, less than 20 gun involved homicides a year…heck naw, here in Amurica we like our crime stats like we like our bellies…BIG…if you socialist wimps don’t like it you should move…
Abrazos
January 16th, 2013
3:41 pm
“TO PREOTECT [sic] OURSELVES FROM TYRANNY IN GOVERNMENT, AS STATED BY GEORGE WASHINGTON”
If George Washington said the Second Amendment was written to overthrow the government (or just those democratically-elected representatives in government with which the noisiest of us disagree), please cite it and prove it.
According to his writings, it would seem that Washington’s views were quite the opposite. After the Shay’s Rebellion, a populist uprising that the weak federal government, under the Articles of Confederation, lacked an army to defeat, Washington was alarmed. He wrote this to one of his former generals, Henry Knox, ““If three years ago [at the end of the American Revolution] any person had told me that at this day, I should see such a formidable rebellion against the laws & constitutions of our own making as now appears I should have thought him a bedlamite – a fit subject for a mad house,” Washington also wrote on Feb. 3, 1787 that if the government “shrinks, or is unable to enforce its laws … anarchy & confusion will prevail.”
old man
January 16th, 2013
3:43 pm
STUDAWG
What would you do if he said, “go f— off, a–hole.” Punch him?
williebkind
January 16th, 2013
3:44 pm
I am amazed how CNN reports that most want gun control. It is a lie. Most do not want criminals to have guns. An old southern saying, “I have it figured out!” CNN calls someone and if they do not answer to their liking it does not get recorded. Then after they get the number they want they close the poll.
Video is Irrelevant
January 16th, 2013
3:45 pm
1. just imagine a kid is having a bad day and decides to take the gun from the administrator and shoot up the class….2. kids are usually on top of their game….what if say bobby joe and patrick persuade their Facebook friends to start a revolution because they have located all of the guns that are in the school?….3. in other words, guns in schools are not a good idea…
jack mccoy
January 16th, 2013
3:47 pm
old man:
heck yes STUDAWG would punch him…I mean, if he could do it over the interweb…you need to just back off…you are clearly not a real american…we need our guns to fight the big bad government, which is NOT our friend and is too invasive (unless you are a woman – see the abortion debate) or a possible terrorist (see the patriot act) or ….well…anything we don’t belive in….man, my head hurts now…FREEDOM!
Regnad Kcin
January 16th, 2013
3:48 pm
“CNN calls someone and if they do not answer to their liking it does not get recorded. Then after they get the number they want they close the poll.”
williebkind – this borders on libelous. I just KNOW you’ve got evidence to back it up, right?
williebkind
January 16th, 2013
3:48 pm
Why dont all the liberals just abort their babies and we would not have this discussion. Really, abortion by liberals kill millions.
jack mccoy
January 16th, 2013
3:49 pm
you commies need to think about it a little deeper…of course arming teachers is an awesome idea…first imagine APS…now, imagine APS with guns…what could go wrong…
DebbieDoRight - More Killing To Stop The Killers Until All The Killers Have Been Killed.
January 16th, 2013
3:52 pm
Supporting Elementary School shootings by gun retards — The new abortion Rights Group of the millennium.
Shooting up the playground — Another way to get rid of an unwanted pregnancy.
Shoot first, second and third — Then spend thousands of dollars on that lawyer to keep your punk azz out of jail where REAL bad men are and who’ll make you into their B##tch for a pack of cigarettes.
Lincoln LOVED guns! JFK LOVED guns! Gabby Giffords LOVES guns! Newtown School LOVES guns!
We need MORE guns! Then there’d be even MORE to love!
Guns don’t kill people. People WITH guns kill people.
My heroes had the heart
To lose their lives out on a limb
And all I remember Is thinking,
I want to be like them
Ever since I was little
Ever since I was little It looked like fun
And it’s no coincidence I’ve come
And I can die when I’m done
But maybe I’m crazy
Maybe you’re crazy
Maybe we’re crazy
Probably
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAIvDj0PW94
old man
January 16th, 2013
3:52 pm
The solution is to give open carry permits only to nice, polite, white males, born to good families. They will thwart crime, save potential victims of mass murder, and will never abuse their right to openly carry firearms, like breaking in line, for example.
The first time I saw law enforcement officers routinely carrying assault weapons in public was in then-still-Communist China, 15 years ago. Kind of funny that as China gets a more open society, suddenly in the US we have assault rifles at the State Capitol, armed guards at each school, and people wanting to tote their manhood around in public for everyone to see.
Regnad Kcin
January 16th, 2013
3:53 pm
“Why dont all the liberals just abort their babies and we would not have this discussion. Really, abortion by liberals kill millions”
willie, are you feeling all right? Why not just go have a little lie-down – you’ll feel better in a while…
DebbieDoRight - More Killing To Stop The Killers Until All The Killers Have Been Killed.
January 16th, 2013
3:58 pm
FREEDOM!!!!
Funny part about that movie is that he died for basically nothing. Scotland is still a part of the UK. All that pain and sorrow, and for nothing.
Homey don’t play that! — Homey the Clown
old man
January 16th, 2013
4:00 pm
There is a gun cult in the country. The people in it are fanatical, and are immune to statistics, math, logic. Except in the rare instance when you are currently the subject of a known stalker/homicidal maniac, owning a gun makes you per se less safe. And, if you are in a public space, and a man with a gun enters it, you are per se less safe. A second person with a gun does not make you safer.
Guns are designed to do one thing–kill mammals. If you are a mammal, and you are a species with a higher order of intelligence, you need to stay away from guns. And you need to keep guns away from people while they are in your presence, in public places. It’s really not very complicated.
DebbieDoRight - More Killing To Stop The Killers Until All The Killers Have Been Killed.
January 16th, 2013
4:02 pm
suddenly in the US we have assault rifles at the State Capitol, armed guards at each school, and people wanting to tote their manhood around in public for everyone to see
Big, hard, firm assault rifles — every man with a small penis needs one! The stroking part really turns them on!
BorninGA but living in TX
January 16th, 2013
4:05 pm
In the end we all have to remember our Second Amendment was not put in place to protect us from criminals and random crime. It was put in place to protect the citizens from government.
Thomas Jefferson put it best: “When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.” I’ll be glad to give up my guns when the elites in Washington and Hollywood agree to disarm their bodyguards. And when President Obama stops sending his daughters to the exclusive Sidwell Friends School, which has a 9-person armed security force.
For all of these reasons, that’s why now more than ever, we need to protect the second amendment. That’s why now more than ever, we need the NRA.
Speak loudly NRA… don’t back down from the liberal lipped hypocritical fish wrappers like the AJC and the fools on this blog!
You idiots want to say Obama’s kids are more special than the rest of ours? Then up yours! As far as mine are concerned, mine are more important and I have a right to protect mine in any way I see fit, not the way that the government decides.
Afterall… if control works so well, why does Britian have a 3 times higher violent crime rate than the USA’s and they have a total ban against all guns! So why is that?
so when a conservative organization uses the same tactics that Obama used throughout the entire campgain it’s bad but when O’blamer does it it smart? Talking about the height of hyprocacy!
jack mccoy
January 16th, 2013
4:06 pm
old man-
wrong. guns are also designed to feed into my republican white male insecurities and help me play out the charles bronson meets bernie goetz with a dash of rambo homoerotic fantasies that are constantly playing out in my head.
Don’t take that away from me. That and Dukes of Hazard reruns are all I have.
DebbieDoRight - More Killing To Stop The Killers Until All The Killers Have Been Killed.
January 16th, 2013
4:06 pm
Big Bill — Hey Small Fry! What’s cooking?
Small Fry — Nothing much. Hey, I was wondering……..
Big Bill — Yes?
Small Fry — Why do you carry that gun around all the time?
Big Bil — Well it’s my penis! I have to have a big gun because I really want a big penis!
Small Fry — Oh. Oookaaayyy….
Big Bill — Why don’t you carry a gun around Small Fry?
Small Fry — Because I already have a big penis!
Big Bill — If you already have a big penis, then why do they call you Small Fry?
Small Fry — ‘Cause my dad is called The Bic Mac W/Cheese, so they call me…..
Big Bill & Small Fry — Small Fry.
Small Fry — Yep. I’m told I’m finger licking good! Bad for the lips, but great on the hips!
DebbieDoRight - More Killing To Stop The Killers Until All The Killers Have Been Killed.
January 16th, 2013
4:14 pm
That WillHebBlind is SUCH a christian! all that christian goodness is just oozing out of him! Makes me wanna go to church and shout it does!
old man
January 16th, 2013
4:19 pm
BorninGA but living in TX
January 16th, 2013
4:05 pm
In the end we all have to remember our Second Amendment was not put in place to protect us from criminals and random crime. It was put in place to protect the citizens from government.
Not even close Tex. The second amendment was put in place because the states did not want the federal government to have a standing army. So they guaranteed the right of people to keep and bear arms as it related solely to the states’ rights to maintain 13 militias, instead of one standing federal army. It was put in place to protect STATE GOVERNMENTS from a standing federal army. The people who wrote the second amendment didn’t give a crap about individual rights to bear arms. The entire point of the second amendment became outdated and irrelevant when the idea of a standing federal army became accepted.
old man
January 16th, 2013
4:29 pm
The second amendment was adopted to ensure the “security of a free State,” not to ensure “security from the State.” The security of the new country was threatened by foreign powers, not its own citizens. The new country needed military power, and the debate was between a standing federal army or 13 state militias. The states would ratify the Constitution only with an amendment providing for the 13 militias, and thus was born the second amendment. The new country had no other army, and would not until the War of 1812. There is no basis in history for the idea that the second amendment is or was intended to allow the individual citizens to protect themselves from the new government by keeping and bearing arms.
The Founding Fathers had a word for using you individual weapon as “protection” from the government. What was it? “Treason.”
Welcome to the Occupation
January 16th, 2013
5:05 pm
MeetintheMiddle: “And as to your seemingly romantic notions about the leftist states pre 1989, any “progress” the statist nations of the 20th century made in leveling the playing field came at the expense of tens of millions of innocent people being slaughtered. Ask the millions of Chinese, Russians, Cambodians, etc. that gave their lives how they felt about that progress. Oh yeah, you can’t.”
Well, it certainly seems that way sometimes. But that’s an illusion, I’m afraid.
Unlike the liberal — of which you are one, from what I can tell — I do not think that we are yet anywhere near being in a position to judge on these matters.
Don’t get me wrong. The Stalinist dictatorships of the 20th C were atrocious. But the violence unleashed by the fascists, and even the so-called defenders of capitalist “freedom” during the Cold War, was also abysmal.
But what we are seeing now is the encroachment of a neoliberal state, unconstrained by the threat of a different world order, that is trashing the planet and creating a social order of incredible injustice and socio-economic division.
Fred ™
January 16th, 2013
5:12 pm
old man: Sorry, I missed your earlier post. I saw that Jay scolded me (for a righteous post I might add LOL) and then that there was a new topic and didn’t read further.
You make some very good points here after that post (and before). Good stuff.
old man
January 16th, 2013
5:21 pm
Three more dead in Sandy Springs.
Let me check . . . yep, gunshots.
The most important Executive Order signed today by our President directed the CDC to maintain gun death statistics. The NRA will try to stop it. They know that once reliable and complete numbers are maintained and published, the public will be nauseated by the carnage that has been going on, under the radar. Homicides, Suicides, Accidents—when the true numbers come out the amount of blood on the NRA’s hands will be even more disgusting.
captguitarman
January 16th, 2013
5:28 pm
Nothing prompts a lack of clear thing on both sides more than the debate over gun control. Yes, the NRA is too strident, but no more strident than many of those on the Left who are itching to take away the rights of law abiding gun owners based upon the false premise that doing so that will end or reduce this problem.
In fairness, those who feel that the president is being hypocritical over the armed security guard issue do not feel that way because they want 24/7secret service protection for their kids, just the acknowledgment by those who have such security should not deny any security to the children of others.
And yes, we are all unhappy that it has come to that in this nation, but it has. Fire arms are in America’s DNA. Without guns, this nation would not exist, and they have been around and widely available since the beginning. And tragedies such as this one have been possible since the development of automatic weapons in the early 1900’s. But until the last few decades, mass gun murders were rare. What changed?
That leads into territory the Left does not want to be made a part of the discussion. The coarsening, incivility, immorality, decline, and degradation of the culture, and the rise of relative morality and ever increasing secularization. Guns have always been available in America, but there was once a cultural moral compass that is quickly disappearing, and its disappearance has been seriously exacerbated by the entertainment industry and the rise of the Internet.
Second Amendment advocates simply want the constitution upheld and ther rights of law abiding citizens not to be denigrated because there are those who disobey the law. Obama and the Dem/libs say that we cannot do nothing, even if the only thing we can do is further limit the rights of law abiding citizens — then at least we are doing something (even if it doesn’t solve the problem). Universal background checks. What a great idea. More burdens on law abiding citizens – And yes, we did something. But no, they won’t be “universal” and never will be because criminals and the disturbed will pay no attention, as has always been the case.
I may have missed it, but were mandatory ten year prison sentences, with no parole, for those in possession of guns while committing a crime part of the solution proposed today. Criminals would pay attention to that. No? I didn’t think so. That would actually be and effective component of a comprehensive solution. But the beat goes on and this problem will get worse because the root cause — the disappearing moral compass and the failure to severely and harshly punish gun violent criminals — is not being addressed. Only the rights of law abiding gun owners.
Atlanta Native
January 16th, 2013
5:34 pm
old man be wrong
The main purpose of the Second Amendment was so the people, mainly the anti-federalists, had a final check on the power of government. If the contract of the Constitution was violated and someone tried to seize power like a King or to withhold the rights of the people, another armed revolution would be possible. If the government was aware of this right, and knew that the population was armed, then they felt the government would be much less likely to take undemocratic actions for fear of popular revolt and overthrow. The second amendment exists because the American founders, and the American people as a whole, recognized that the right to defend one’s self, one’s family, and one’s property is a fundamental human right. A person does not need the government’s permission to defend themselves, and it is immoral for the government to hinder them in that regard. The founders did not delineate between the need for self-defense against criminal elements or government, and used both as examples for why American citizens needed to retain personal firearms. That there are those today, in and out of government, who desire to disarm law-abiding citizens demonstrates the wisdom of including the second amendment among the personal rights and privileges that are enumerated to citizens of the United States by the Constitution.
MeetInTheMiddle
January 16th, 2013
6:01 pm
@Welcome to the Occupation
“Unlike the liberal — of which you are one, from what I can tell — I do not think that we are yet anywhere near being in a position to judge on these matters.
Don’t get me wrong. The Stalinist dictatorships of the 20th C were atrocious. But the violence unleashed by the fascists, and even the so-called defenders of capitalist “freedom” during the Cold War, was also abysmal.
But what we are seeing now is the encroachment of a neoliberal state, unconstrained by the threat of a different world order, that is trashing the planet and creating a social order of incredible injustice and socio-economic division.”
What a sad commentary on our current political discourse that you would mistake me for a liberal. I happen to be a white, gun owning, deficit and debt hating, private school educated, son of Republicans…member of society who grew up and became and adult and learned to think for myself. I guess you can call me a libertarian, now, with extremely conservative fiscal ideas, liberal social leanings, and a profound disdain for the professional political class currently destroying Washington.
However, though I could not agree more that the fascists and so – called capitalists have a less than stellar track record themselves, I implore you not to fall in the trap of thinking the statist atrocities of the 20th century are an illusion. I admire your notion to withhold judgement until the royal “we” are in a position to judge, but the tens of millions of fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, and friends slaughtered in the name of leftist ideals provide plenty of elements upon which to make judgements.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 16th, 2013
6:34 pm
I hear you, MeetintheMiddle, though we’re obviously coming at this from very different directions. Perhaps we can flesh some of this out in future posts when we have more time.
independent thinker
January 16th, 2013
8:40 pm
Instead of an assault weapons ban, enact an NRA ban and take their guns away because they are all insane.
independent thinker
January 16th, 2013
8:40 pm
Instead of an assault weapons ban, enact an NRA ban and take their guns away because they are all insane.
HamiltonAZ
January 16th, 2013
10:00 pm
Grew up in a house with 2 rifles, two pistols, two shotgun sand a father who didn’t hunt. He used the guns rarely, but when he did he was protecting our animals and property from four-legged varmints. His pragmatic view included a “I got no use for the NRA” because he loved people and felt that organization was hardened to humanity.
The video clip is revealing in this respect. To compare protecting the children of the leader of the free world to placing guns in the hands of thousands of unsophisticates in and around children is heartless profit driven insanity.
I appreciate Jay’s desire to keep civil discourse, tend to agree with the second post on this thread by decibels.
Towncrier
January 17th, 2013
12:24 am
JHM and everyone else interested in determining, from historical evidence, the likely intended meaning of various parts of the Constitution:
http://rotunda.upress.virginia.edu/founders/RNCN.html
What a treasure trove of information! I didn’t realize it was online. One has to register to view the documents, but $300 is not all that much for this kind of information. There is a free 48 hour trial registration available.
Towncrier
January 17th, 2013
12:27 am
Here’s the “poor man’s” version related to the 2nd Amendment:
http://constitution.org/mil/militia_debate_1789.htm
Joel Edge
January 17th, 2013
7:37 am
Sorry, Jay. My kids and grandkids are just as important to me as the presidents kids are to him. Which is kind of the whole point. Do you people actually believe the political creatures that run this country will give up their protection even if all weapons are banned?
nomaj
January 17th, 2013
8:57 pm
Vile.
The good news is, like McCarthyism, this video has the capability of turning the tide against the far-right by helping to make average Americans aware of how extreme and dangerous the NRA has become.
Vladimir
January 17th, 2013
9:25 pm
Gun Control in Australia – Watch and Weep
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGaDAThOHhA
When a country takes away guns from its citizens it’s in big trouble as they are finding out in Australia.
Dr. Susan Gratia before House subcommittee on guns.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awjxvMRdF-U